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Guest Post: The Noble Lie Of Government Healthcare

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Submitted by James E. Miller of The Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada,

“If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

These words, spoken by U.S. President Barack Obama in various forms and iterations, have become a running joke amidst the rollout of the Affordable Care Act. All across the country, hundreds of thousands of citizens are receiving cancellation notices in the mail. The stringent requirements for insurance plans under the new edict are curtailing many individual policies. A simpleton can grasp the economics: you prohibit something, it goes away. And yet, for years prior, the White House ignored the oncoming train and is now slowly inching away from the wreckage.

This was not the unforeseen consequence of good-intentioned legislation. According to an investigative report from NBC, the Obama Administration was fully aware of the result its health care bill would have on the marketplace for insurance. A provision written in the original version of the law would have allowed for the grandfathering of existing plans that did not meet the new standards. However, the Department of Health and Human Services rewrote the stipulation to radically narrow the rule, so that an estimated “40 to 67 percent of customers will not be able to keep their policy.” Not one to be a wet blanket, President Obama continued to assuage the public and reassure everyone that their preferred insurance policy would not being going away.

This was a lie. And not one kept close-to-the-chest by a few high-level officials. House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer admitted that many in his party knew “there would be some policies that would not qualify and therefore people would be required to get more extensive coverage.” A presidential election and a litany of Senate seats were won based on the falsehood that America’s health insurance market would not be totally disturbed.

The admission of guilt may have ramifications for supporters of big government. In the short term, it undermines the President and the promises he makes going into the future. But voters are fickle and have a memory prone to lapses. When the subsidies start flowing, they will begin to smile again. The balancing act will be whether the boost in tax benefits outweighs being forced to pay a higher cost for what was once a cheaper product. Those who are net beneficiaries will be content while the losers may sulk but will ultimately accept the “new normal.”

The deceit behind ObamaCare is nothing new in the practice of governing. The state’s monopoly power makes it a natural target of suspicion. Even the most ardent worshiper of socialism is still wary that his nation’s controllers will turn on him. He keeps an ear out for fiction spun by his rulers but will not question larger injustice as long as he is fed well enough. Even with the preponderance of lies, there is still the naive hope “good folks” will soon come along who have a deep aversion to dishonesty. The white knight never arrives, but optimism prevails.

The happy voter is the one who refuses to grasp the obvious point that government serves as a vehicle for the worst in society to play out their violent fantasies. As Hayek put it, “the unscrupulous and uninhibited are likely to be more successful” in operating the machinery of total intimidation. It is always from the throne of authority that the worst deeds are accomplished. This includes mass aggression against property as well as the truth. The productive capacity of society is decimated enough by government’s necessarily parasitical operation; the public’s concept of verity is challenged by the various ministries of agitprop that disguise their actions as beneficial rather than schemes of plunder.

The false characterization needed to sustain Obama’s signature piece of legislation was another variation of Plato’s noble lie. In his widely heralded Republic, the classical philosopher wrote on the necessity of the few lording over the many to achieve harmonious social relationships. These “philosopher-kings” could govern best by spreading falsities that would have the “good effect” of making the underlings “more inclined to care for the state and one another.” One could call this a textbook lesson in the art of ruling over a dim and detached populace.

Perhaps the best exponent of the noble lie was the late, neoconservative king Irving Kristol, who held political theorist Leo Strauss as a strong intellectual influence. Kristol affirmed what many thinkers before him found when it comes to truth:

There are different kinds of truths for different kinds of people. There are truths appropriate for children; truths that are appropriate for students; truths that are appropriate for educated adults; and truths that are appropriate for highly educated adults, and the notion that there should be one set of truths available to everyone is a modern democratic fallacy. It doesn’t work.”

In many ways, this statement is completely accurate. In a democracy, the people must be corralled. They must get behind measures that ordinarily wouldn’t receive a lick of support outside of a few special interests. The naked, unvarnished truth is a dangerous weapon against tyranny. So it must be distorted to fit the agenda of collectivists, statists, dictators, and despots. Anything will do to assure for maximum support with minimum resistance.

Had President Obama been upfront about the full ramifications of his health care edict, the public may have turned. It’s one thing to apply for and receive a subsidy. It’s another to disrupt lives and force people to take action they otherwise wouldn’t. Outside disturbances are a nuisance to common folks trying to make the best go at their lives. Like a dog with its tail between its legs, the Administration is now backtracking on its own selling point. In a recent press hearing, White House spokesman Jay Carney, the quivering apparatchik of social democracy, was quick to ignore past statements and highlight the benefits of the health care bill. He told Fox News correspondent Ed Henry,

Well, let’s just be clear, what the President said and what everybody said all along was that there were going to be changes under brought about by the Affordable Care Act that create minimum standards of coverage — minimum services that every insurance plan has to provide.

So goes the guarantee of “if you like it, you can keep it.” As progressive columnist Clarence Page admitted to radio host Hugh Hewitt, it was “one of those political lies, you know.” The promise will eventually find itself lodged somewhere in the memory hole along with the guarantee of liberty in a security state. The state itself is a great lie. It purports to be the great savior of mankind. The political class likens itself to the great deliverance from struggle and despair. The reality ends up not as rosy.

Kristol was right on one thing: not everyone accepts the truth. They will self-deceive to feel comfortable in their own skin. It is this weakness the politician will manipulate for his own aggrandizement. Honesty and truth are always a virtue. And that’s why they are wholly absent from the halls of power.


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Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:49 | 4117412 quasimodo
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"You lie!"

Turns out the guy was correct

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:50 | 4117416 DoChenRollingBearing
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He should have said it more than once.

He should not have bothered to apologize.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:56 | 4117426 johnQpublic
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my wife was actually looking at the ACA site like she cared

turns out, even at age fifty with no uterus, she would still have to carry maternity coverage

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:00 | 4117439 Skateboarder
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Dad must have left the damn TV on all night, cuz when I walked by and turned it off this morning (CNN on mute), the news being reported was that those who couldn't keep their plans are being called "Obamacare's losers."

The media is worse than Grima Wormtongue.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:07 | 4117445 GetZeeGold
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He lies all the time.....PERIOD!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:11 | 4117452 Manthong
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“Read My Lips, no new taxes”..

“If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

“I want to say one thing to the American people.
I want you to listen me, I will say this again.
I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”

None of those bald-faced liars have been held to account, they just got richer.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:20 | 4117466 Chris Jusset
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ObamaCare = Disaster

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:27 | 4117479 spine001
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My current individual health care plan BCBS, just announced that they are dropping me as of 30th June 2014!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:18 | 4117565 James-Morrison
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The sleazier lie is that your current policy is being replaced by a better, more compressive Obamacare policy.

My "better" Obamacare policy has a higher deductible, a higher total out of pocket threshold, horrible out-of-network coverage and excludes most of the convienient and speciality hospitals (cancer and critical care) that were included in my "bad apple" current policy.

My obamacare policy is crap and costs 150% more than my current plan.

That is a more damning lie.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:17 | 4117655 TeamDepends
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If you like your genitals, you can keep your genitals.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:07 | 4117928 This just in
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Unless, of course, your genitals don't meet the standards set forth.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:26 | 4117971 TeamDepends
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Set forth by me, Barry Choom Ruler of the Universe, and my main man Reggie "The Body" Love, bitchez!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:37 | 4117993 DoChenRollingBearing
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How nicely put, + 1  !!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:26 | 4117664 macholatte
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horrible out-of-network coverage


Isn't it a federal program/tax policed by federal Gestapo? How can you be out-of-network?


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:38 | 4117748 duo
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Don't travel more than 50 miles from home or you're fucked if you get sick (bankrupt, really).

Maybe this is how they keep the sheep from moving around the country.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:24 | 4117573 macholatte
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A simpleton can grasp the economics: you prohibit something, it goes away. And yet, for years prior, the White House ignored the oncoming train and is now slowly inching away from the wreckage.


So tell us something that wasn't obvious years ago.   Or is it now fashionable to whine about Obamacare.  

The best thing that has happened for the sheeple is the crash of the web site.  Had that not happened, there likely would be silence from most of the so called "out spoken" talking heads.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:58 | 4117620 Blano
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Why are you so shocked????

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 01:13 | 4118584 sessinpo
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Anything related to Obama = disaster.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:28 | 4117483 dick cheneys ghost
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''None of those bald-faced liars have been held to account, they just got richer.''

serving corporate interests..........

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:45 | 4117763 booboo
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"Serving corporate interest" or said another way, doing what government does best.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 01:36 | 4118605 sessinpo
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Manthong    “Read My Lips, no new taxes”..

My comment: Writing a check that can't be cashed

Manthong  “If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan.”

My comment: Lying for to the people for one's own ideology.

Manthong   "I want you to listen me, I will say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky.”

My comment: Lying to save one's reputation.

Bush was held to account. Bush lost re-election. Clinton went through impeachment and was disbarred. Obama has yet to be played out.

 dick cheneys ghost  "serving corporate interests......."

My comment. They serve themselves. Two of the examples are politicians talking politically (lying) to help themselves at the current time to either get elected or avoid legal problems. The other politician lied for ideological purposes. to deceive the public (we know this now because of released information indicating that this President knew his comment necessarily correct).

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:48 | 4117515 joego1
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And the wife of one of them is most likely going to be the next Pres. God help us!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:52 | 4117610 Everybodys All ...
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“Read My Lips, no new taxes”..

That fabrication/lie was not even close to the same lie as Obama stated as far as impact this will have on Americans. Obama won an election based on this lie being repeated and the government was able to take over 20% of the American economy on that lie. Obama's transformation from a market economy to a centralized planned economy is formed off of this lie. The idea of socializing the rest of the country's assets can't be far behind if this is not stopped in it's tracks.

Finally, Nixon resigned the presidency on lies from Watergate that had far less of an impact.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 01:34 | 4118608 dunce
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One of those liars was held to account. The first Bush got only one term and was sent packing.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:18 | 4117464 mofreedom
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Nah, no one told him he's been president these five years.  Why you think he's been playing so much golf, been to so many b-ball games and concerts at that big white house.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:12 | 4117806 Winston Churchill
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The Mulatto House.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:46 | 4117511 joego1
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Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:10 | 4117637 venturen
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He is a LIE!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:10 | 4117449 tsx500
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speaking of the media...NYT this weekend claims President Stompyfeet simply 'misspoke' all those times that he claimed we could keep our favorite plan....

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:06 | 4117444 Ancona
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It would be cheaper for me to buy a new fucking house than to provide an insurance poliscy for teh three people in my household. I get no subsidy, and even with a large deductible for a silver plan, I'm getting raped hard.

Thanks Obama!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:26 | 4117576 odatruf
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Sure, sure.  Question is, as it is for us all, what are you going to do about it?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:54 | 4117613 AlaricBalth
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Sebelius will be resigning soon. It will be a good start.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:59 | 4117622 Blano
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Like that'll change anything.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:30 | 4117585 Being Free
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Don't do it.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:25 | 4117468 RSloane
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Yup. A friend of mine age 52 had her 'inferior' insurance dropped because of no prenatal and maternity coverage. She ended up buying new insurance outside of the exchanges. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:15 | 4117456 mofreedom
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What keeps us from lying?  Why are we so good?

Status quo politicians all touch little chilren and i have the photos to back it up!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:31 | 4117487 Everybodys All ...
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If he had any sense he'd be on tv every day claiming his just deserts on that statement.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 00:37 | 4118543 keating
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I don't think any of this is an error, it is all deliberate. If 90+ million will lose their insurance, and if folks are offered 'temporary' medicare until the system is fixed and reliable, Obama has reached his stated goal, everyone signing up for single payer. This could happen in January 2014 during budget talks. The GOP needs to come up with something now to prevent a mass migration to Medicare, what Obama really wants.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:50 | 4117413 DoChenRollingBearing
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Noble Lie: Mi Culo!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:52 | 4117418 orangegeek
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"the ends justify the means" is the spin to save those without healthcare


the reality is rapid expansion of union membership that will generate cash to feed the Dems for decades


government run healthcare rations and kills

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:55 | 4117420 q99x2
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File the impeachment proceedings already. WTF

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 03:18 | 4118676 RichardP
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Impeach the President for what?  Obamacare?  Congress is the body that created the ACA legislation, not Obama.  Shall we impeach them?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:57 | 4117423 Hongcha
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This is a low ebb, gentlemen.  The sole remaining hope for the good people in this country is their right to bear arms; which is why they want so very badly to take that right away.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:56 | 4117427 MrBoompi
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Obamacare is not "government healthcare". It's a lame attempt to force as many people as possible into the private healthcare system. A system which allows monopolies, cartels, price gouging, collusion, and poor performance. Let's give true government healthcare, aka single payer, a try before you criticize it.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:22 | 4117471 Urban Roman
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The Republican solution: "Healtcare? You don't need no  stinkin' healthcare!"

And that, my friends, is the Death Panel you were looking for.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:00 | 4117541 Hobbleknee
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You've been here 3 years and still think there is a difference between the red team and the blue team?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:21 | 4117571 James-Morrison
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This is the republican plan.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 01:21 | 4118592 James-Morrison
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Who the fuck are the 10 dickheads that don't understand that the RED and BLUE teams are connected to the same body.

C'mon boys.  Man-up, or go back to grade school and re-read Dr. Suess' "The Cat in the Hat."

Then, come back here and tell me who the hell you think "Thing 1" and "Thing 2" were portraying in this classic childrens story.   

Please crawl before you post. 

Obamacare really was tested and proven to fool the most sheeple by Romney.  (And recommended by a RED team think tank -- aka Heritage Foundation). 



Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:40 | 4117863 TBT or not TBT
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Actually, their plan was to ncrease competition in the health insurance market, by allowing a nationwide market for it, rather than the current corrupt, state by state hyper regulated shit we had before Obamacare. They also mooted taxing employer based healthcare as an income, which it absolutely is, or tax equalizing somehow for individuals and self employed folks buying their insurance. The employer based insurance system being a legacy of control freak democrats during WWII, when they were enjoying a pretty totalitarian ride, by american standards.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:30 | 4117486 DaveA
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Please let's do that, I'm serious. Free health care for everyone, no signup required. The rich could still pay top dollar for expert care, while the Obama-voting masses wait in line, describe their symptoms to a nursing assistant, and receive a bottle of generic antibiotics or painkillers with a "come back in three days if these don't work".

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:59 | 4117542 Bad Attitude
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The rich could still pay top dollar for expert care...

No. The rich, politically connected, and politically powerful, including Dear Leader, should be forced to get in line just like everyone else - no special privileges. It is the politically powerful and politically connected who have created this mess - all the time believing they could avoid the consequences of their decisions because of their power, connections, or wealth.

I am so damned sick of politicians badly breaking things and not facing any consequences beyond possibly not being reelected. Even after they leave office, they get cushy jobs at big law firms or think tanks, or go on the speaking circuit. They should face real consequences like serious prison time or a rope around their neck when they badly break things.

As I see it, Obamacare/ACA/National-Socialist health rationing - or whatever you want to call it - has irreversibly broken the US healthcare system. By not grandfathering non-conforming medical insurance, Obamacare has irreversably broken the relationships between insurance, doctors, and individuals that has evolved over many years. Even if Obamacare were completely repealed, the damage could not be be undone because too many of those relationships have been severed.

Forward (over the cliff)!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:01 | 4117546 JR
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Obamacare is Phase I of single-payer insurance.

Obamacare quickly will lead to single-payer health care which begins the slippery slope to State control of all property.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:45 | 4117871 Ms. Erable
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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid desperately needs (and has needed, for a very long time) a lead brain implant.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:07 | 4117634 shermacman
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I wonder what the government's Single Payer website will look like?


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:49 | 4117773 Wyatt Junker
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Yeah, let's not and fuck you very much.  

Instead, let's rephrase your fuckedupedness.  

American healthcare was never free market healthcare.  Ever since LBJ raped it by forcing medicaid onto the private market, it jacked up premium costs on everyone else since hospitals had to make up the cost on our backs by subsidizing the freeloaders on medicaid.  Get that, asshole?  So, WE were paying TWICE.  Once for the assholes and the gimmedats like you, and twice for us.  A system that allowed for STATE monopolies, cartels, price gouging, collusion and poor performance.  Let's give TRUE free market healthcare a try before you criticize it.  

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:20 | 4117826 booboo
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 "Let's give true government healthcare, aka single payer, a try before you criticize it" Like maybe England? Canada?

Why don't you move there and try it before subjecting an entire nation to the folly that it is?

Glutton for punishment are you? there is no Single Payer dipshit, unless you are a complete waste of skin living off the dole it will be extracted out of your labor and be rationed accordingly. How about allowing me to buy the healthcare that I have now, is that too much to ask of the "Land of the Free",  I know you must interpret that a different way then the producers.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 01:41 | 4118617 sessinpo
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We have single payer in SS. And if you are informed, it is going bankrupt. More money is being paid out them coming in.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 13:59 | 4117432 Hongcha
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I won't be going to any such website, myself; I'll look over someone's shoulder but I'm not logging into the Beast.  At best I will mail in my application and send the proof of service to the fucking IRS.  I just hope they can read my tiny, well-nigh illegible Tradional Mandarin script.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:00 | 4117434 Seasmoke
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Blow up the whole thing so 5% can now have health insurance. BRILLIANT !!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:04 | 4117441 knukles
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It's gonna wind up "blow the whole thing up so the remaining 5% still working for the gubamnit will be the only ones left with health insurance"

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:39 | 4117500 RSloane
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And that is the joke. How many young healthy people does Obama have to sign up to be able to pay for the rest of his debacle? Please tell me that the people just graduating out of college with a huge debt burden who are now increasingly finding themselves in a part time job world are now expected to buy healthcare they can't afford? I need a good laugh at the expense of central planners who live in another alternate reality.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:48 | 4117513 onewayticket2
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Read Wayne allyn root's article about obamacare. It's not a "train wreck". It's intended to be a disaster. And it is succeeding in its goal to kill capitalism.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:42 | 4117758 duo
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only 41% of 18-26 year olds are insured now, vs 48% when Obamacare WAS SIGNED!  Why?  Remember the 40% increase in most plans a couple of years back?  More people dropped family coverage (or had it dropped for them).  The first thing Obamacare was supposed to do backfired.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:00 | 4117435 Ignatius
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Do not obey.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 00:46 | 4118552 Bro of the Sorr...
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Let me elaborate:

Don't sign up for the ACA.

Take your money out of the banks.

Stop voting.

Take your house off the grid as much as possible.


Stop buying iShit.

Keep buying ammo, PMs, and emergency food using cash.

Leave the country.

Stop paying taxes.

Stop sending your children to public school.

Stop using google, facebook, etc.

Start building strong ties with like minded people in your community.

Support Oathkeepers and similar organizations.

Write postcards to Bernanke, Greenspan, and Yellen from various tourist destinations saying "Go fuck yourself!"

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:01 | 4117436 Moe Hamhead
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It's time to vote a "clean slate" in 2014.  Throw out all the incumbents.

The Dems for being crooked lyers and the Reps for letting them get away with it.

The ticket to vote will be the one that vows to handcuff and jail any and all lobbyists.

DC is thriving on corruption and a parasitic metropolis of greed.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:09 | 4117556 northerngirl
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That would be a great start.  

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:02 | 4117625 Blano
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Come on, you really believe the next set of clowns ready to run is gonna be any better???

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:46 | 4117767 noless
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Localise, return the right to the states to govern themselves, let their policies live or die of their own merit.

I know it's more "complex" than that, but it's really not.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:07 | 4117442 ebworthen
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Go deeper and you will see that the same lies are told by the the insurers, the bankers, and the corporations promising health, security, and a chance to get ahead in the "free market" - in collusion with their fellow parasite government - to bleed us.

The entire societal construct has become a lie.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:11 | 4117451 Make_Mine_A_Double
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It was understood central planning 1/6th of the economy was going to be a disaster and so it is.

What will be interesting will be the wider effects on the economy at large. My guess is this is going to accelerate lay offs and closures especially as next year it will hit employers plans hard.

Not to mention the huge spin off effects the economy gets from big pharma, health industry employment, etc. And one of the few bright spots is the US edge in medical technology that will be blown away. I would wager once this gets traction it will take 1-2% off GDP annually.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:42 | 4117761 duo
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add the equivalent of a house payment or large car payment to 20 million could that affect consumer spending?

I know I'm not buying a car or house until I find out what happens to my wife's plan in 2014.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:14 | 4117455 Joebloinvestor
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I hope every dumbshit who voted for Obama and lost their health insurance takes it out on the LYING Democrats in the mid terms.

Don't believe for a FUCKING SECOND that they need to be "re-elected" to fix this FUCKED UP MESS.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:01 | 4117626 OneEyedJack
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I think the Dem's will claim victory for Ocare before the enrollment period ends. The msm is claiming they need 7 million people to sign up for it to be a success.

So.... cancel 10 million responsible individual policies, force them into the exchanges, and wha la. There is your 7 million number. I can't wait for some Dem stratigist on one of the sunday shows, look me in the eye, and say, We told you the people would love it.

it's coming


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:06 | 4117710 Chaos_Theory
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That's a big million Americans can afford to pay worthless premiums paired with insane out-of-pocket co-pays?  With part-time jobs?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:23 | 4117473 Urban Redneck
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He didn't lie, he just learned about on the TV at the 19th hole... You can't honestly expect a dog to read the government's own official record of what's going on...

It's only a 30+ page analysis of his bitch and that is required of all Federal Regulations having a significant economic impact. For the Twitter Twats that just can't be bothered to read the key excerpts are below - and the projected estimates for Corporations cutting their employee plans got pushed back to NEXT year...

e. Estimates for 2011–2013
Under this assumption, the
Departments’ mid-range estimate is that
66 percent of small employer plans and
45 percent of large employer plans will
relinquish their grandfather status by
the end of 2013. The low-end estimates
are for 49 percent and 34 percent of
small and large employer plans,
respectively, to have relinquished
grandfather status, and the high-end
estimates are 80 percent and 64 percent,
f. Impacts on the Individual Market
Using these turnover estimates, a
reasonable range for the percentage of
individual policies that would
terminate, and therefore relinquish their
grandfather status, is 40 percent to 67
percent. These estimates assume that
the policies that terminate are replaced
by new individual policies, and that
these new policies are not, by
definition, grandfathered.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:24 | 4117474 Unstable Condition
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"Had President Obama been upfront about the full ramifications of his health care edict, the public may have turned."

He has NEVER had the public's support for the ACA (Obamacare)! Where the hell do people get this from?

I for one, will not comply!

Come get me, you sociopathic fuckers!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:12 | 4117561 VD
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if you pay taxes, you will comply.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:41 | 4117595 dick cheneys ghost
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HEY vAST dOM, ~~~~~~~~~~~do me a favor and tell the ADL to FUCK OFF~~~~~~

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:29 | 4117482 Reaper
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Fools believed trusting him provided redemption from inherited guilt from slavery. He lied not because, he loved them, but because he craved control of their lives. The lie is so great that every framer of the Constitution would demand his impeachment for criminal conspiracy and fraud. Then, some men acted in America. Now, all men quiver in Congress.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:49 | 4117879 TBT or not TBT
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And not just the men. Harry Reid too.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:29 | 4117484 whatthecurtains
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But we had to vote for it to know what it does

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:35 | 4117495 Yenbot
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Its not about healthcare. Its about cataloguing everyone's organs for the 1%. And giving everyone's DNA to the SS.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:37 | 4117497 Everybodys All ...
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Obama is a con man. I'd be willing to bet the man has flat out told more lies than he's told the truth his entire life. For him this is just politics. That's how warped these sociopaths become in the end.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:03 | 4117627 Carl Popper
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Right out of Alinsky's playbook. Lie when necessary to achieve your goals. The end justifies the means. Personal honor is for losers.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:36 | 4117687 moneybots
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"Right out of Alinsky's playbook. Lie when necessary to achieve your goals. The end justifies the means. Personal honor is for losers."


That is what all the politicians do, regardless of party.  Alinski must have plagarized the professional politicians playbook



Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:21 | 4117700 Everybodys All ...
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No. Not everyone believes in the radical ideology outlined by Alinsky. Do me a favor and do some homework before you comment on this again.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:37 | 4117498 vegas
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Cutting through all the bat excrement, President Chalky Goebbels tells the sheeple,

"If you like for us to tell you what to do and when to do it, we will continue to tell you what to do."

"If you don't like us telling you what to do, then tough shit because we know what's best for you."

If you love the Post Office and the DMV, you're going to be in heaven with ChalkyCare.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:44 | 4117505 el Gallinazo
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The real purpose behind Obummacare is for the jackboot State to enforce its own brand of medicine.  Enriching the medical insurance companies is an important but secondary motive.  I live in southern Mexico, and homeopathy is practiced by a very substantial minority of physicians here.  When effective, it is always non-toxic and much cheaper than allopathy.  Try to find a homeopath in a typical USSA town.  

I just looked up Idaho, Utah, and Alabama on:

and none were listed in any of these states.

Unsurprisingly, John. D. Rockefeller treated himself and his family with homeopathy, but massively underwrote many medical universities, particularly Johns Hopkins on the condition that it was not part of the curriculum.  Do insurance policies even permit the payment of fees to homeopathic treatment?  Expect coercive edicts in the future from these plans.  Perhaps, for example, if one does not receive a toxin laden flu shot, one may not proceed with any other treatment.  Just another tentacle to control and poison the American sheeple.  Now, if I could only figure out how to stop the Medicare extraction of $1200 per year from my SS check.  

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:03 | 4117629 Everybodys All ...
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Under a single payer plan (the federal government) these insurance companies will be wiped out. People working for these companies will be out of luck just like the 15% losing their health insurance coverage today.  Trust me the con game Obama is playing is just getting started.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 20:02 | 4118042 The Burning Planet
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Homeopathy is quackshit, and is NOT an alternative to ACA.

OTOH, eat pesticide free, chemical fertilizer-free, locally grown organic foods, and get the proper amount of rest and exercise, and you will likely never need to see a doctor in your life. The latter IS an alternative, but  one never mentioned.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:48 | 4117518 q99x2
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There will likely be a lot of loved ones dying from this intentional act. People aren't likely to be very forgiving. Some may even take revenge. This is a very ugly situation.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:52 | 4117527 Atomizer
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Christian Bishop Warns UK Issuing Islamic Bonds Could Pave Way For More Sharia Law… Can you see the forest thru the trees? In order to save the monetary game, they need more immigration applicants to assist in funding ACA. Once the system begins to show more cracks, the US Government branches will repeat the same failing policies to protect their paycheck arriving in the post.


The UK is the beta grounds for implementing new US laws by means of a study group. Let’s have a look at the latest push..

Globally: Leveraging Migration and Human Capital in the U.S.

How does it feel to finally realize you’re a slave to the system? Our US [half black/white] Global leader sure had a host of fishing stories to tell while reading from a teleprompter.



Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:59 | 4117532 SMC
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It may not be long before the bankster-military-security-medical-scammer complex's foreign "enemies" start offering financial, material and medical support to American freedom fighters.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 14:58 | 4117534 A Lunatic
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I am no longer accepting 'new normals'. The old normal is fucked up enough........

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:02 | 4117538 Waterfallsparkles
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When you think about it, they had to find a way to kill off all of the Boomers.  They are costing the Government way too much money with their Social Security checks, Pensions, and Medicare.  They are no longer paying into the system thru Taxation on their earnings as they have retired.

The Government lied about all of their contributions going into Social Security and Medicare for their old age, as thoes Monies have been taken for other use. 

They are taking out of the economy now more than they are paying in.  So, time to kill them all off and get the economy on a more even keil.


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:31 | 4117586 James-Morrison
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Many of the boomers I know would love to just exit graciously. You can have my Social security, Medicare "benefits", and take my passport too.

You can also have my military ribbons and shitbox house.

There are better opportunities elsewhere, just let me out of this insane asylum.

It's all yours, Punk!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:56 | 4117904 TBT or not TBT
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The Nazis talked openly of "useless eaters" and the means to have less of these dragging down their socialist plans. The Dems know social security and Medicaid and Medicare will have eaten the entire federal revenues frighteningly soon, leaving nothing left to buy votes and enjoy graft. To head that off, they want to clamp down on spending and costs related to useless eaters. They want to control and push end of life decisions centrally, rather than leaving this to private decision making and personal values and personal MEANS. Those are resources they want to use.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:01 | 4117547 straightershooter
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People all over the over mistook Obama. He was really a person with the quality of probity. Period.

See his name, Obama, what did you see?



Folks, Obama was really upfront will full disclosure for what he was, is, or will be!

Now, you know it's all your fault! Leave Obama, uh, AA mob, alone.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:10 | 4117557 A Lunatic
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 In the largely post modern world there can be no truth or lies. Your truth is your truth and all that nonsense. Everything becomes radically subjective, obscuring the truth from all but the diligent seeker, and alternative truths are created to placate the simpleminded masses, which is why we have become a nation of liars being by keepers of lies masquerading as the truth.......

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:22 | 4117566 Blizzard_Esq
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In February 2013 I was notified I had a grandfathered plan when it renewed. Yet I got notice yesterday my plan has now been cancelled. I will now have to pay $333 from $224 a month and have significanly reduced prescription coverage and a HIGHER deductible IF I want coverage that isn't $$$.

Fuck this. I went from a great PPO, inexpensive brand medication, low deductible to being stuck with a HMO, no brand medication coverage, and a higher deductible that nearly doubled.

Where the FUCK is the Tea Party at?!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:06 | 4117632 gregga777
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The Tea Party has to defend itself from attacks by the NSA, IRS and MSM in a country where 47% of the Sheep still approve of the LIAR-IN-CHIEF!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:18 | 4117568 northerngirl
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And yet, the President's approval rating is something like 47%.  What does that say about American's?  

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:56 | 4117616 Carl Popper
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47 percent?

Romney was right. You just cant say it outloud.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:16 | 4117650 Everybodys All ...
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When you say it you certainly can't back away from it after everyone hears it. That in my mind was the mistake. He should have followed it up with yeah you don't agree ... well prove me wrong.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:34 | 4117683 Carl Popper
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Good point.

At best he was going to win 50.5 to 49.5. He had nothing to lose. He should have come out swinging.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:35 | 4117589 oldmanagain
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This authors theme is all about 2% of the Obamacare revolution.  The author is obviously gullible to right wing fantasy.

The whole Koch led libertarian scheme is just facism in a new suit.


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:59 | 4117621 Carl Popper
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I see you can memorize Daily Kos talking points and soundbites. Anything to justify your view that money should be taken from some people so you can have more. Eh, old man?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:47 | 4117768 quasimodo
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Better reply in all CAPS LOCK, HE CAN'T HEAR VERY WELL.

At least under the ACA his hearing aids will always be current and....shit, I forgot.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:21 | 4117659 Everybodys All ...
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You might be the only person dumb enough to actually beieve what you just wrote.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:28 | 4117733 gtb
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He's not alone.  Unfortunately there are millions of stupid assholes just like him.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:53 | 4117606 Carl Popper
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As a doctor I can honestly say this was a huge giveaway to the healthcare industry. We will be rolling in it for a few years. Obama had to buy the sick care industry's cooperation to get obamacare passed.

It is a trojan horse, not a free gift.

Our selfish short sightedness will do us in. As the regulations unfold over the next five years to clamp down on "fraud, abuse, and unnecessary care" we will rue the day we sold our souls for just a little more coin.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:00 | 4117623 Isotope
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Yes, just like Medicare, fifty-odd years ago.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:09 | 4117635 Carl Popper
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The reason why I will be all cash no insurance in less than a year is because of medicare and medicaid. They micromanage everything from what words and format I am to use in my charts, the type of medical record systems I have to use,

and they can come back and review charts up to three years old and take back money because the care I gave was judged medically unnecessary by a nurse and rubberstamped by a doctor who cant practice clinical medicine or is even eligible for a license in my state.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:33 | 4117984 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Patient: I got medicare bitchez you got to see me.

Receptionist: Let me check the calendar to schedule an appointment. Pause

Receptionist: Doctor is booked up full for the next 8 months, would like me to schedule you for the 9th of next year?


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:57 | 4117618 kchrisc
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The criminals of government are never stupid or incompetent or lie. They ARE a lie.

Obamacare (insurance) is working just a planned--funneling loot from us to them or their fascist masters. The irony is, if it were "broken" they would be taking LESS of our money.


Is it time for the guillotines yet?!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:48 | 4117698 sunnyside
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Past time for them.  Who's first?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 15:58 | 4117619 gregga777
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President Barack Obama is a SOCIOPATH and an inveterate LIAR. He's our "LIAR-IN-CHIEF". He's lying every time that his lips are moving. He staffed his entire administration with fellow travelers and liars. Presidential apologist Jay Carney is both pitiful and hilarious attempting rationalizations of the "Liar-In-Chief's" lies.

I would not be at all surprised to see the "Liar-In-Chief" become our first President-For-Life and the adored (or else...) Dear Leader of his creation and heart's desire: the Democratic People's Republic of America. A place where the border fortifications are to keep the people inside from escaping.

For those who want to stop him the odds are formidable:

• The uber-rich owners of almost every Main Stream Media are allies, contributors, supporters, but most of all, fellow travelers.
• He has very effectively used Top Secret NSA background files to muzzle political opposition.

[By the way, why do you think Governor Romney was such an uninspiring and ineffective campaigner? And how do you really think General Petraeus' supposedly secret love affair came to be MSM gossip fodder? Why did the MSM completely drop all coverage about the murder of the US Ambassador to Libya? Why was Syria such an urgent front-burner issue only to be dropped with nary a peep from the MSM?]

And if NSA blackmail isn't enough, well you'd better believe he also has other "tools" at his beck and call.

Finally, don't ever forget that you're on his ENEMIES LIST, too!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:14 | 4117648 JR
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“Neoconservatism, the successful promotion of which [Irving] Kristol devoted a good part of his life to, is biography at least as much as ideology. It is the story of the so-called New York intellectuals, who spent their misbegotten youth as Trotskyists… and some of whom, including the ex-Trotskyist Kristol, wound up in the pay of the CIA, writing for Encounter and its French and Italian equivalents. (For a fascinating account of the neocon-CIA convergence, see Christopher Lasch’s essay on the Congress of Cultural Freedom, a CIA front that nurtured Kristol in the early days of the Cold War.)"

– Justin Raimondo (Irving Kristol, RIP, 2009)

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:21 | 4117661 moneybots
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"President Barack Obama is a SOCIOPATH and an inveterate LIAR. He's our "LIAR-IN-CHIEF". He's lying every time that his lips are moving. He staffed his entire administration with fellow travelers and liars. Presidential apologist Jay Carney is both pitiful and hilarious attempting rationalizations of the "Liar-In-Chief's" lies"


When i watch Cspan, i have to roll my eyes, when congress people are speaking, regardless of party.  The old saying, when is a politician lying, their lips are moving, applies across the board.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:28 | 4117670 moneybots
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"Why was Syria such an urgent front-burner issue only to be dropped with nary a peep from the MSM?"

Because the story ended with Assad agreeing to chemical weapons inspections and destruction.  The story had run its course, just as the Cleveland kidnapping story had run its course.


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:17 | 4117721 Chaos_Theory
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If you're talking about the American 30-second attention span, you're correct.

If you're talking about reality, CENTCOM disagrees with you. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:05 | 4117631 JR
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“Perhaps the best exponent of the noble lie was the late, neoconservative king Irving Kristol”… -- James E. Miller

Miller’s excellent article gives the chance to identify one of America’s biggest and most influencial malefactors, Irving Kristol, an ex-Trokskyite who never gave up on Troksky’s idea of world revolution.

Justin Raimondo of, in a 2009 article entitled Irving Kristol, RIP: The "godfather" of the neocons leaves a legacy of perpetual war,” identifies the agenda of Kristol and Norman Podhoretz who co-founded the neoconservative movement to take over America’s paleoconservative, anti-statism Republican Party.

Raimondo explains how “their agenda had been set out years ago by Kristol’s son, William, in an essay co-authored with Robert Kagan, "Toward a Neo-Reaganite Foreign Policy," in which they summed up the goal of U.S. foreign policy in a single evocative phrase: ‘benevolent global hegemony.’ 9/11 provided the perfect context in which to launch a war to implement the neoconservative dream of world conquest. The results are all around us – in Iraq, in Afghanistan, in Pakistan, and beyond.”

Here are excerpts from Raimondo’s article, Irving Kristol, RIP:

It’s funny, but to describe someone as a neoconservative is practically considered a hate crime in certain quarters – in neoconservative quarters, that is. The reason is that many of the original neocons were Jewish, and one major doctrinal pillar of the persuasion is fealty to Israel and its perceived interests. To call out the neocons, to even describe them as such, is therefore evidence of "anti-Semitism," as Jonah Goldberg once complained. Of course, now that conservatives are complaining that all opposition to President Obama’s policies is being caricatured as "racist," the neocons can hardly take this tack.

In any case, the lasting legacy of Irving Kristol is that he was instrumental in turning the conservative movement away from its radical anti-statism and toward an almost exclusive concentration on the moral imperative of an aggressively interventionist foreign policy. His followers and epigones, who carry on the work in his wake, are the warmongers at the Weekly Standard and the Limbaugh-Hannity know-nothing Right, which sees every recognition of the limitations of American power – government power – as a "betrayal." This is surely a most unconservative – even anti-conservative – vision, a form of radicalism that resembles nothing so much as Trotskyism-turned-inside-out.

One of the big differences between Stalin and Trotsky was the former’s conception of "socialism in one country" – the idea that communism could survive only in the Soviet Union and its satellites, without inciting a world revolution. Trotsky, sticking to the orthodox Marxist-Leninist position, held that a world revolution was imperative, or else the Soviet Union was doomed to fail, encircled as it was by the hostile, capitalist West.

What the neocons did was simply switch allegiances from the old Soviet Union to the United States, taking their hotheaded Trotskyist temperament with them – and finally aspiring to lead a world revolution with the United States government at its head. When George W. Bush announced the launching of what he called a "global democratic revolution," he was merely echoing the neo-Trotskyist rhetoric of his closest advisers and the intellectual movement from which they sprang.

The prospects of that revolution grow dimmer by the day, but the idea lives on, as does neoconservatism. In the age of Obama, it takes on new forms – as I explained in my last column – but the essence remains the same: war, war, and yet more war, as far as the eye can see. That, in brief, is the program of the neoconservatives, and Kristol’s legacy for the ages…

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:09 | 4117636 Occams_Chainsaw
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I think I'll opt out for a few months and save the cash up.  If everyone who actually pays in sat out till mid year the insurance companies would begin to starve and then send their 'lobbyists' to create 'accidents' in DC.  After enough of those 'accidents' we might flush the place the way it needs to be done.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:12 | 4117638 moneybots
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"The deceit behind ObamaCare is nothing new in the practice of governing."


There was no WMD threat from Saddam.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:11 | 4117640 venturen
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I guess Nancy now knows what in the legislation...bad things!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:15 | 4117651 MedicalQuack
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Not unlike the markets, Obamacare: The Continuous Rise and Fall Of The Machines With Complex Insurance Math Models Resulting In Spasmodic, Executing “Killer Algorithms”–And Gov Can’t Model…Heck it sounds like I'm talking about markets..nope not this time but sames issues at the technology roots..let's see we have the sequester algorithms, the insurance algorithms, the Obamacare law algorithms...all clashing and colliding out the markets except this part happens to be about our lives and not all just money, although some try to dupe you in to thinking it's only money..NOT

On another note not everyone at CMS is a duper as all the digital illiterate politicians are...found this where CMS is using some state of the art technology from Cray Computers with noSQL hauls in the data, up to 512 TBs to crunch...that's a lot of data...but where are they using it, to find fraud in the payment I guess we are back to money again:)  It does though show that the government did actually find it's way to hire some folks with some very good digital literacy, but we'll never hear about here's the YarcData appliance in use...

But what do I know:)  I did say this much, that IT would eat Sebelius and Deparle up in the year 2009 before they ever got started....and it has, except Deparle knew when to hit the door running, Sebelius...can't figure that one out.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:17 | 4117653 y3maxx
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Don't pay Your Federal Taxes...get arrested...go to Jail...get three squares plus full medical coverage.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:19 | 4117657 americanspirit
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Noble lie? How about ignoble lie?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:23 | 4117663 roadhazard
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Either I can now predict thread topics or this is a repeat thread of a few days ago. I guess you can never whine too much.

Here is a little unwanted context for you.


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:28 | 4117672 NeoLuddite
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Obamacare has MASSIVE FAIL written all over it. Just google "The Mythical Man-Month."

The planned failure will lead to a single payer sick care system, giving the governement control over virtually every aspect of your lives, much more so than now to minimize down-side risk. Here in Canada it's illegal to practice health care outside of the government monopoly. And costs are astronomical - currently gobbling up some 40% of Canada's GDP.



Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:35 | 4117681 Trimmed Hedge
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Don't get sick

Seriously, it's time to achieve & maintain good health

Also do online research for do-it-yourself natural remedies

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 16:44 | 4117694 moneybots
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 "Kristol was right on one thing: not everyone accepts the truth. They will self-deceive to feel comfortable in their own skin. It is this weakness the politician will manipulate for his own aggrandizement. Honesty and truth are always a virtue. And that’s why they are wholly absent from the halls of power."


Which means wholly absent from both political parties.


Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:39 | 4117752 kevinearick
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you prohibit something and the price goes up and the quality goes down.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:36 | 4117859 ncdirtdigger
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Government of the government, by the government, for the government.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:03 | 4117915 garcam123
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Boy,what a buch of whininn turds here!

I used to like to come to this page as there was usually some clear reasoning, but lately most of you have shown that you are just Cruz wannabes...that is turds undeserving of light, because you have your heads stuck up each other's asses!

I'd just like to spray down the spew here a little.  I know I don't need to remind you that all of the ACA was and is a product of the Heritage Spewpipe and that it was written for the healthcare and pharamacuetical indusry as well as thier bought and paid for whores, er....republicans.

God I am so sick of your shit.....

I love it that one of your deciples of spew, Barton, defended a few glitches when Medicare Part D was goming online with 6 months of IT troubles and I'm guessing your turds didn't say squat!  Fucking Hypicritcal pieces of traitorous shit.

I wonder how many tehadists would come out of the woodwork if they cut off their social security.  They'd be cryin for their stinkin socialist feed bucket as loud as they could.  That might be a good way to clear the sewer pipe after all!

I would also add that I think the red states are filled with stupid fuckers like the trash here on this turdpile!

Obamacare is here, it will work and all of you freedom fighter turds will have to go and cut some more foodstamps somewhere, that's all you failed pieces of Ayn Rand have you sorry discredited trash have!

I'm going to work to defeat you and your spew at every turn!

God belss America and those who work to help people less fortunate than themselves....and that ain't turdish repubthilicans.

Trash, traitorious trash at that.  Cruz and his like shold be docked and charged for negligence and non-performance of duty. 





Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:16 | 4118159 Lednbrass
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Do you get up early every day to practice stupid, or are you just a natural born prodigy of idiocy?

Tell me, what does it feel like to look in the mirror every day and know that you only are able to exist because something has to be taken from others to prolong your existence? To have the outward appearance of a human being, but the survival strategy of a tick or flea that requires the lifeblood of a better, more successful person to feed on? To know that you are utterly incapable and unfit for life if left to your own devices? To know that it is only due to enforced theft from others that the hammer of Darwin doesn't splatter you into a grease spot?

Do you feel less than human, or does your anti-psychotic/bipolar medication keep you sufficiently tranquilized that absolutely nothing can penetrate?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 23:11 | 4118421 americanspirit
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Seems to me that turds are a bit of an obscession here. Turd Turd Turd Turd. Oh, and Turd.

Question - is there any way to pick up a turd by the clean end? Come on - give that a bit of thought.

But I did give you a greenie for being provocative.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:30 | 4124589 are we there yet
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Your dialog reference counts 2 fuck's, 2 shits, 4 turds, 2 god's, 1 arse, 1 whore but complains of ZH lacking clear reasoning. Angry rants are ok on ZH, but it is best if they are creative, or intersting, or poetic in some way. Such as, 'Obama's brain belongs on the tv series 'hoarders' with ever new rooms of moral cat vomet to uncover'. Or something like that.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:28 | 4117979 SheepDog-One
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'Good intended legislation' my arse.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 20:57 | 4118132 are we there yet
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So the question we all want to know is, is it possible to deactivate obamacare?

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 01:37 | 4118612 dunce
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Noble lie is an oxymoron.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 03:45 | 4118685 trader1
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americans, this is how the developed world views you:

allow their govt. to kill directly and indirectly hundreds of thousands of brown people in iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, and other faraway places; <out of sight, out of mind>

accept the security-surveillance state and erosion of their so-called constiutional rights, because "not another 9/11"; <well, i have nothing to hide>

lack humanity towards their fellow man by not adpoting a universal health care system. <tyranny, tyranny, tyranny!>



Mon, 11/04/2013 - 03:45 | 4118693 trader1
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Submitted by James E. Miller of The Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada



is that the same Canada with single payer, universal health insurance?

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 10:25 | 4119134 F em all but 6
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There is a simple way to kill Obama Care. But first, one must understand what it is and why it is possible for the feds to exercise a power that lies within the constituion, but its actual exercise lies outside of the constitution.


The facts:

O bama Care, just like SS, medicare, medicade fall within the classification of "entitlements.

Entitlements are statutory rights that are in law and fact extra ordinary protections paid for with money from the public treasury.

Statutory or civil rights are NOT fundamental or inailenable rights but PRIVILEGES that can be modified or taken away at the will of the legislative body that created them.

The government can TAX the privileges it creates. Hence, the term excise tax and "privilege tax are synonomous.

Therefore those within the "SYSTEM" are liable for the EXCISES within that system. These excises are witheld from your paycheck. Labels such as "INCOME" tax are constitutionally and judicially irrelevent. They are all excises and income becomes whatever the political branches say it is. Wage income, barter income, tip income, ect.


You had to volunteer into the system by making application for Social Security.

Social Security requires you to WAIVE constitutional/judicial protections of CONTRACT and PROPERTY in exchange for those extra ordinary protections.

Non disclosure is judicially irrelevent. ALL presumptions fall in favor of the government. Blame the judiciary and its self created doctrines for this fact.



Passage of the SS ACT required State Federal Cooperation as it was tied to State Police powers. This has been noted by the judiciary.

Once in, the States were then preempted under the supremacy clause for purposes of taxation and administrative control.

In a nutshell. The States handed the feds the power to do what they themselves were prohibited from doing. That is: INTERFERE WITH THE OBLIGATION OF CONTRACTS. When one works for another, it constitutes an agreement or contract. Ones labor is his property. What he exchanges for that labor is also his property. That which is exchanged is the OBLIGATION within the contract. That obligation is usually money. Property exchanged via contract. But no more. Within the system, the privilege or excise tax simply uses the property as a unit of measurement to calculate the indirect excise. The amount of the excise can equall 100% of the obligation.

The problems here are biblical. The federal contract clause only applies to the States. These federal and State excises would not be possible without the States handeding the feds the power to apply the excise whereby walking around the contract clause. But thats not all. See the dissenting opinion as to the apportionment clause on direct federal taxes in the Obama care opinion USSC.

The federal constitution requires that direct taxes on property must be apportioned by population. This requirement, due to the unconstitional compacts created by the States themselves has been MOOTED. If the wage was ever a proper object of taxation, it would be a PROPERTY TAX subject to the apportionment clause. But no more. The States gave the feds the power to overide (ignore) those requirements.

CAN THE STATES DO THIS? Hand the feds the power to interfere with the obligation of contracts AND bypass the federal constitutions mandate that all direct taxes be apportioned? Can the States expand the scope of the federal TAXING POWER through an unconstitutional COMPACT


According to existing case law the answer is a resounding NO. However, that body of case law has NEVER been applied to this subject matter. If the judiciary ever gets a chance to rule on the merits, even the most liberal left wing judge would have no where to turn. The Social Security Act, which was barely held constitutional under the due process clause would now be found unconstitutional WITHIN A FEDERAL QUESTION AGAINST THE STATES THEMSELVES. As such, ALL current entitlements AKA transfers from the public treaury to the individual would have NO constitutional or statutory authority.


Anyone out there got about 10- 20 million dollars and a keen knowlege of federal judicial procedure? It has taken decades for the powers to be to get this "system" into place. Its ALL built on a rotton foundation and the judiciary can not and will not do anything to correct it until the proper arguments are placed before it within a forum of court that can actually sit in a capacity in which it can hear those arguments. A case or controversy properly brought.

And may I suggest an armorder vehicle and bullet proof vest to and from the courthouse.

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