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Obamacare 'Truth' (In One Cartoon)

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...this is the not the Obamacare you are looking for...

 

 

(h/t Jim Quinn's Burning Platform Sunday Funnies)

 

Oh and just to clarify "YOUR" misunderstanding...


 


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Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:28 | Link to Comment syntaxterror
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Fuck Obama and every single loser that voted for him.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:31 | Link to Comment maskone909
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Voted twice more like it

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:33 | Link to Comment Yen Cross
Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:45 | Link to Comment mofreedom
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Welfare queens like the queen.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:53 | Link to Comment Manthong
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“Truth”

Quaint notion in this modern secular/liberal/progressive/positivist/elitist/corporatist/banker/politician society.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:19 | Link to Comment SafelyGraze
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a lot of people fainted during that speech

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:30 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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There were entire precincts in some states that voted 99.99% for BO, and nary a peep about possible voter fraud out of the Repubes.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:57 | Link to Comment The Shootist
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Great vid, you can even see Corzine in the background.

Free Jon Corzine!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:19 | Link to Comment icanhasbailout
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Yep, at 28 seconds in you can see Corzine standing there with the kind of shit eating grin Wall Streeters have when they are taking a muppet to the execution chamber.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:53 | Link to Comment philipat
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The one good thing to be said is that it will bring forward the economic collapse?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Zer0head
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"a lot of people fainted during that speech"

@safteygraze

 

sheep have a tendency to faint when in the presence of a higher being e.g. a wolf

 

they roll onto their backs exposing their underbellies and the rest is history http://i.imgur.com/Yy7qbZT.jpg

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 00:02 | Link to Comment markmotive
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Peter Schiff: Sound money and limited government = max prosperity

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/11/peter-schiff-sound-money-limited-g...

 

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 06:30 | Link to Comment WordSmith2013
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"Obamacare: Ongoing Disaster With No End In Sight"

stateofthenation2012.com/?p=2294

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 06:49 | Link to Comment Truthseeker2
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Obamacare: The Hidden Agenda http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=383

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 06:59 | Link to Comment Indian_Goldsmith
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Why do some people always stand facing his back when he gives a speech? Shouldnt they be standing in front?

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 08:36 | Link to Comment kralizec
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They want to see that lying cocksucker crossing his fingers while he speaks...seeing his face or witnessing his lips moving is pointless.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 16:16 | Link to Comment WordSmith2013
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Here's the correct link:
http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=2294

 

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 06:30 | Link to Comment Headbanger
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Obama really said "ALL YOUR PLAN ARE BELONG TO US!"

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 06:35 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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Yeah, but did you actually "Like" your plan?  Did you go onto Facebook, find the page for your health care provider, find a description of your plan within their Facebook pages, and click on the "Like" link for that plan?  I'll bet you didn't.  Therefore, you cannot keep your plan.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 06:36 | Link to Comment chumbawamba
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That was rather a question.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:37 | Link to Comment Serfs_Up
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Just curious Can Jonny keep his healthcare plan? Lol

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 03:58 | Link to Comment Two Bears
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Yes indeed.  

 

A good frend of mine said it best: even it nobody showed up at the polls to elect Obizzle, he still would have won by a land slide.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 02:09 | Link to Comment Four chan
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so true

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:16 | Link to Comment sbenard
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The Queen of the Borg Collective.

"You WILL comply!"

"Resistance is FUTILE!"

"You WILL be assimilated!"

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 02:04 | Link to Comment Rusty Shorts
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For an additional $199.99/mo you can add drone coverage to your Obamacares policy..........

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 00:16 | Link to Comment Buck Johnson
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SO you have heard that rumor about Obama.  Obama was caught in a bare faced lie and it is bad no matter what they say. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:50 | Link to Comment G-R-U-N-T
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Obama says: You will do it and you will like it, Komrade! IF, you should put up resistance, then we will Benghazi you, bitch!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 23:24 | Link to Comment Forty Six and 2
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Judge Smails agrees - http://youtu.be/qLdBrx-ijwQ

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:31 | Link to Comment XenoFrog
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Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:57 | Link to Comment Sudden Debt
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pLEEEeeeeeAAAaaaaaSSsseeeee!!!
KANG HAD WAY BETTER ARGUMENTS TO BECOME THE SUPREME LEADER!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:16 | Link to Comment The man with po...
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Kang 2016.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:20 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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In 2016, I intend to vote for the lesser of two weevils...

 

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:26 | Link to Comment Race Car Driver
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No elections in '16 'cause the Gray's are going to vaporize earth in '15.

It's true. I saw it on a YouTube video about crop circles.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:34 | Link to Comment The Alarmist
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What was the name of the Democratic Party playbook??? Oh, yeah, "To Serve Man."

 

It's a cookbook!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 23:40 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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Lesser of two weasels.  

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:37 | Link to Comment AGuy
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Not so sure there will be an presidential election in 2016. So far Barry has fired and replaced over 400 top Military officers with his own people. Looks like he's planning to take over!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 20:16 | Link to Comment Blano
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Link, please.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:07 | Link to Comment Marge N Call
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Seriously, are you in a coma you idtiot?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:38 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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DYODD, but its true.  Either they quit, resign, or are replaced.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 23:07 | Link to Comment wee-weed up
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Exactly! Odumbo wants to make sure...

He has a coup-proof set of top-brass military in place...

Who will support, not only his last three years of lawlessness...

But will also welcome his declaration of martial law...

And cancellation of the 2016 eletions...

Thus ensuring they hold on to their cushy top-brass offices that much longer.

Comes the revolution...

These perfumed ass-kissing military traitors should be first against the wall!

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 00:26 | Link to Comment AGuy
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Add this bit in:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/top-nuke-commanders-terminated-following-mi...

1. Only the Dept. of Energy can move Nukes, yet these were moved on orders from the Military but handled by private or none DOE personel

2. Under Treaty with the Russians there are not suppose to be any nukes at Dyss AFB. The Base commander freaked out when he found out there were undocumented nukes at Dyss and these nukes were being moved off base without the proper paper work and didn't follow standard regulations.

3. The Top two officers that manage Nuke deployments where fired on the spot when news of the story leaked. They were replaced by Barry cronies. Perhaps they didn't want to play ball. Its possible that they were the ones that made the orders, but it seems unlikely that they would go rogue especially with nukes.

So the plan may be to detenate one or more nukes somewhere significant. use the false flag to declare the US in a state of emerency, declare Martial law and use the NDAA to seise total control. Use the military to retain control.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 00:43 | Link to Comment jeff montanye
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i can't imagine the owners are too concerned about elections hence feel any need to cancel them.  the evidence provided by the election of the change candidate in 2008 after eight years of george w. bush followed by the republican challenge of mitt romney in 2012 don't seem to require any further modifications to the current game plan.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 03:09 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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Nothing gets done in military without the NCOs.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:13 | Link to Comment NOZZLE
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Let me link you up with a bullet to your head liberal filth

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:11 | Link to Comment object_orient
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Those were his people. He is commander in chief after all. And there will be real (inconsequential) elections in 2016, and some jackass will win, and another jackass will lose. BFD.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:30 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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I don't think he has ANY plans to leave. Ever.

Let's wait and see.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:18 | Link to Comment Pool Shark
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"Vote for a third party? Go ahead, throw your vote away."

"You have to vote for one of us." - Kang

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:43 | Link to Comment moneybots
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"Vote for a third party? Go ahead, throw your vote away."

 

You are throwing your vote away if you vote for the first two parties.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:18 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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I'm a broken record on this, but once again:

"If voting changed anything, they'd make it illegal." — Emma Goldman

In other words, if you want to perpetuate the statist quo, then by all means, vote.  And continue to suffer the consequences.

If you want real change, on the other hand, then make a principled nonvote, hunker down (http://readynutrition.com/resources/52-weeks-to-preparedness-an-introduc...), urge those you know to do the same, and otherwise go about your business.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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You are asking people to think outside their voting box.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:42 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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Yes, and I can tell you from painful experience, AO, that this is simply too much to ask of otherwise intelligent people, the minds of many good friends so boxed in by political partisanship that they simply can't think outside it.

They are dead, dead, dead to what government actually is and to the devastation it has wrought, and it weighs on me accordingly, not just because their willful ignorance reduces the odds that I and mine will survive what is to come but because I stand to lose them, and they theirs, in the process.

Much like others who "Thought They Were Free":

http://www.amazon.com/They-Thought-Were-Free-ebook/dp/B00D4M89A4/ref=sr_...

 

 

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 00:49 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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The social wiring of human beings and its consequent moral behaviors form a very powerful basis for our survival.

Too bad they weren't developed for a modern technological society.

Think of how savage we will look to those in the future.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 14:58 | Link to Comment Dick Buttkiss
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Savage, for sure, to the point of being considered mere animals. But on the other hand, if superhuman intelligence arrives as soon as some think — http://vimeo.com/77885327# — then some of those in the future could have once been savages themselves:

http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/immortality-will-be-delivered-by-the-singu...

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:35 | Link to Comment are we there yet
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The puppet I am told to vote for is better than the puppet you are told to vote for, or so my favorite puppet tv propigandists tell me. At least Fox has eye candy newswomen with clevage.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:50 | Link to Comment Henry Hub
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***At least Fox has eye candy newswomen with clevage.***

The dresses on these babes seem to be getting shorter and shorter. I keep trying to see their snatch when they cross and recross their legs. No luck. While I'm watching they are subliminally brainwashing me with their oligarch/zionist/right wing propaganda. I've stop resisting. If only I could see a snatch for once.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 20:24 | Link to Comment nmewn
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No one wants to subsidize your voyeurism either.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 20:40 | Link to Comment Henry Hub
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Fuck you asshole!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 20:58 | Link to Comment acetinker
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I already claimed asshole.  Yer gonna have to find another name to call my nme, and friend.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:18 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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You do wear the title well ace. Someday may be I can claim the honor too. I seem to get stubborn, saucy, opinionated, headstrong fireball from Mr Miffed a lot. At least he smiles when he says it.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:19 | Link to Comment acetinker
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Hey Miffed, I'd love to have a couple beers/wines/doobies w/you and Mr. Miffed someday.  My wife don't smile when she calls me an asshole though.  She thinks I never grew up.  What she don't know is that I grew up long before I was expected to, early enough to see, clearly, that the "grown-ups" were just oversized children.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:36 | Link to Comment Henry Hub
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***my nme, and friend***

 

What are you twelve years old?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:05 | Link to Comment acetinker
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It's an inside joke, Henry.  My nme is my friend.  nmewn knows damn good and well what it means, but you don't- even after I 'splain it tp you.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:09 | Link to Comment nmewn
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lol...and just think, you were quoting biblical scripture just the other night, trying to make some stupid connection between the spiritual and socialism.

Now you're commenting on US fascism, ogling Fox News chicks trying to sneek-a-peek up their dresses, while living in monarchial Canada.

Quite the weird conversion ya got goin on there ;-)

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:19 | Link to Comment mofreedom
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lefties would look up a pear's skirt, and that pear be their mama or moooooooooooooochele.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:46 | Link to Comment nmewn
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They always want something for freeeee!...without ever considering what it will cost everyone but them on a host of levels. They are some of the most venal, authoritarian, technocratic, deceitful SOBs on the face of the planet.

And this "legislation" proves it.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:07 | Link to Comment Henry Hub
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***They always want something for freeeee!***

 

Everything I gotten I've paid for, ether directly or through taxes or payroll taxes as have most people.

It seems we've developed a nest of assholes on this site that thinks they can impose their version of reality on everyone and censor everyone they don't agree with. They are the real "venal, authoritarian, technocratic, deceitful SOBs"  You sir are the king of this nest of vipers.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:31 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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I agree Henry you paid taxes. The problem is the math doesn't work . My 85 year old mother in law bragged to me she paid $4 a MONTH for social security in the 1960s. She retired at 62. She has received FAR more benefits than she has ever put in. At some point SS and medicare will break because people are living longer and procedures are far more expensive. She also had 3 back surgeries that came to a total of $150k that Medicare covered. I am not saying it is her fault that it cost so much but even she realizes the delemma of this. At some point care will have to be rationed or costs contained. Adding more bureaucracy with obamacare is a step in making this worse.

Miffed;-)

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 23:10 | Link to Comment Henry Hub
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Hay Miffed, I respect you point of view (unlike others I won't mention). From my point of view, in a universal single payer system everyone in the country would be in the insurance pool so the cost is spread over a wide range of people. So for someone like you mother who's made it to 85 (good for her) and collected there are maybe four people who die without collecting. This is how insurance works. With the present U.S system the predatory insurance companies loot billions from the system.  The U.S could have a system like the rest of the civilized word has. If everyone took off the ideological goggles they could see the only practical system that works

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 23:38 | Link to Comment Bob Sacamano
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"maybe four people who die without collecting."

For that math to work (four dieing for every one person who makes it to 85), benefits would need to start at around 75. 

Good idea. 

 

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 00:10 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Henry, this is a hot topic and tempers will flare. Ultimately healthcare costs are a serious problem and when the dust of all the anger clears, we just must face facts and come to some reasonable courses of action. My father founded one of the largest insurance companies for Drs in the USA ( called the Doctors Company) and he had a small insurance company he built himself that insured unions. So I have a better understanding how insurance works more than the average person.

Insurance works best in an average balanced population( no inverted pyramids) and covers catastrophic events. It really doesn't matter how large this group is, just that these parameters are met. When my dad founded the Drs Company he only accepted top physicians with stellar practices. He could offer premiums that were 1/3 of the going rate at the time. The first few years were difficult because of the small number of drs in the pool. Eventually the company took off and he had enough people to spread the risk. He never took high risk drs because he would have to charge a vastly greater premium. My father never looted billions from the system. Of course this was the 1970s which was a very different world. I know things are worse now.

The fact is the aging population of the USA is simply too sick to be insured in the classical sense. This fact would be true if we were talking car insurance and texting caused a dramatic rise in accidents. Insurance simply adjusts the cost of premiums to fit the population. It's simply based on risk. However, the government has imposed so much regulation on insurance companies it is difficult them to use risk based formulas to charge premiums. So now the low risk pools must subsidize the high risk. It's just completely fucked up. Im not fully excusing insurance companies but I understand the problem they face today. Unfortunately the smaller insurance companies will fail and the larger unscrupulous ones receiving hookers and blow from our "leaders" will flourish in this environment. It's a recipe for disaster for the average person.

I have a great doubt that a single payer system could work any better in the environment we face today. Certainly not one run by this fascist government.

Miffed;-)

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 00:34 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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I don't want to be in that insurance pool. I want to spend MY money on enjoying life while I'm young and then I want to die with dignity in bed with a much younger woman.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 00:25 | Link to Comment Dr. Everett V. Scott
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@Henry:

 

The GOVERNMENT would be the "Single Payer".

 

Is that really what you want?

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 00:24 | Link to Comment webspin
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The "rest of the world" lives off of our expensive investment in advancing healthcare. If you don't get this, think of the Microsoft modle. The first world pays software and movie companies billions of dollars to creat new product and the 3rd world just copies it for free. Same with drugs and medical devices except now it's America that pays for most of the expense and Canada, Europe and others that profit from U.S. high healthcare expenses moving the ball forward.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 03:15 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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Single payer equals bankruptcy just because the fraud involved. There is also a moral hazard of people seeing healthcare as free and using it to death.

Oh by the way I'm not putting incompetent socialists in charge of my healthcare.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:31 | Link to Comment nmewn
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I am the king of no one and you are not being censored here on ZH...obviously. You are an American, living in Canada, paying taxes (again from your already taxed past earnings) there to that government, from SSI, based on your own admissions.

You sir, have a distorted sense of your own reality.

So now I return the favor...fuck you asshole, run, run until you drop dead from running from what you can't see right in front of you.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:49 | Link to Comment mofreedom
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I just think folks are either afraid to die, or are scared of having to start over and change their current lifestyle.

Crap, I'll pump gas, drill for oil in ND or TX meaining I have to leave my family, or I'll just die and let God sort me out.  God rest my soul.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 23:06 | Link to Comment Henry Hub
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Well man, it looks like you and I are developing a serious personality conflict. So I'll say it again: FUCK YOU!!

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 07:50 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Single payer is nothing more than government sticking a gun to everyones head, especially the young & healthy, who don't want health insurance by and large.

That is not fairness or equality.

They can't even set up a website given three years to do so OR make damned sure your personal financial and medical information is secure when you hit that website.

That is either complete incompetence or a rope-a-dope toward a single payer system, take your pick. Both are negative. Then, we have Gammon's Law, which has already proven what a farce having government as "single payer" really is.

Insurance is a company betting they won't have to pay out vs what you pay in. It is the exact opposite of what you think it is. Its not a bank account.

Gammon's Law:

http://hspm.sph.sc.edu/Courses/ECON/CLASSES/Friedman.html

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 11:29 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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This is a great link Nmewn and illustrates the problem inherent in government interference. The one thing I will add is what is strongly needed is personal HSA accounts that can roll over. Currently, they expire yearly. If young people could start an HSA in their 20s and put away tax free money for use when medically needed, they could afford catastrophic high deductible plans as they got older.

Mr miffed and I tried to do it in our mid 20s but there was no availability of this for individuals only businesses. We had planned to put away $5k a year. Assuming we didn't have to spend it that would mean we would have nearly $150k today to spend. We could easily afford a high deductible plan with that and pay for regular care out of pocket. That fucking bastard Obama has lowered the amount we can put away in our HSAs further diminishing our ability to pay for our care ourselves. He's actions can only mean abolishing our personal freedoms and taking control of healthcare.

Miffed;-)

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 23:28 | Link to Comment Miffed Microbio...
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Nmewn, may be this a "math is hard" problem. There is no " imposing ones version of reality" here. It's just reality. The fact is though I am well insured ( at the moment, my nonprofit hospital got an exemption from obamacare but we shall see how long that lasts) if I got into a horrible car accident the cost could be upwards of 500k. This would have to be spread out among everyone in the pool. Hopefully the actuarial table is correct and this cost could be afforded by the group. Any catastrophic event will quickly exceed the amount I've paid in.

My problem is Henry saying the Canadian system is great because he obviously got out far more than he put in. Then he make a short sighted leap implying the system should be implemented here and the only problem for the USA is insurance companies. The scenario could work if there were few Henrys in the system however there will be a tipping point if there are too many sick people requiring care. I'm seeing this everyday where I sit. It's harsh but Math will eventually win.

Miffed;-)

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 02:04 | Link to Comment Wahooo
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Problem with the single-payer dickheads is that they want the insurance companies out of it and the government running everything. Problem with that is two-fold: 1) Doctors don't want to be mandated pay; and most importantly 2) where in the constitution does it say I should have to pay the fucking government for healthcare???

The truest single-payer plan is one person paying a doctor cash. I don't want to pay for prescriptions of someone's mother. Fuck em.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 23:12 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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I'm with nmewn on this Hub. The numbers just don't add up. A person needs to feel that there might be some reward to do good things in commerce.

If that disappears, if 90% of your reward is confiscated and given to the FSA and Wasserman-Shitz army, creativity in this country will DIE, overnight. Creativity is America's most vital resource.

Fuck the FSA. One main reason that I like China, no FSA, nothing. No work, no eat.

Over.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 23:40 | Link to Comment Henry Hub
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Well that's OK Running, I don't expect a lot of support for universal single payer here. But keep an open mind and don't get bogged down by ideology. I ran a small business for many years and understand need for " reward to do good things in commerce" I am a small time capitalist at heart. However, the present Health Insurance Cartel has nothing to do with capitalism in its traditional American form. This is the Fascist business model and is nothing more that the legal rape of Americans though Obamacare. The Health Insurance Cartel has to be cut out of the system before a workable system can be created.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 04:30 | Link to Comment Manic by Proxy
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So you prefer CNN's screed of oligarchal, fascist, statist version of the truth? Of course, Anderson Cooper is soooo dreamy.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 01:18 | Link to Comment Nobody For President
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Oh for goodness sakes - just vote for me.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 03:17 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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First day of economics class: There is no such thing as a free lunch.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:59 | Link to Comment ExpendableOne
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Lord Voldemort in 2016!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:35 | Link to Comment phaesed
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When given the option between Romney and him, I'll still choose the liar over the religious zealot liar.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:45 | Link to Comment Tegrat
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"Fuck Obama and every single loser that voted for him."

 

My sentiments, exactly. Let's not forget those who didnt like either candidate and decided to not head out to the polls. And those who say voting doesn't matter. Honestly, everyone who has sat at home screwed the pooch. While most thought the sooner America is destroyed is better, no one considered a longer drawn-out pergitory by not doing as I did and voted ANYONE but this POS who has never had to work a day in his life, spent his life surrounded by those who hate America and spent time either smoking pot or pissing people off (latter aka community organizer).

 

 

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 00:26 | Link to Comment drendebe10
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The kenyan monkeyboy is a pathological liar and the ignorant sheeple and MSM lap up the colonic detritus he spews like it was free fried chkn and watermelon.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 04:08 | Link to Comment Notarocketscientist
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No - fuck every asshole who was stupid enough to vote for any president.  Because you are a fucking fool - because you think it matters.

Russell Brand explains what only fucking idiots vote:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGxFJ5nL9gg

 

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 05:05 | Link to Comment CuttingEdge
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An understated Jackie Mason on Obama:

http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/legendary-comic-flays-obama-as-lying-maniac/

Quality.

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:37 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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That's about it.

And you think the insurance companies weren't licking their chops thinking about the ramifications of the law they wrote and paid for with their bought politicians on both sides?

It is no coincidence that a government mandated program is operated by private insurers (corporations) who the Supine Court declared as individuals with the I.R.S. given confiscatory power to collect money for .gov and the corporations confiscatory power for something called "health insurance" which is little more than an asset confiscation scheme using fear, intimidation, and garnishment with zero choice.

This is not happenstance or politics; it is the plan.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:46 | Link to Comment duo
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It's like car insurance that covers gas, tires, car washes, etc., but if you get in an accident, you have to cough up $6-12K. You pay the same rate as an 18 year-old with multiple DWIs, and it's sold to you by GM or Exxon Mobil.  It will cover your house trailer if you pull one.  If you don't, you still pay.

And if you don't buy it, the IRS will deduct it from your paycheck.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:40 | Link to Comment carlin401
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I'm glad folks are really starting to finally get this entier deal,

1.) That it was written by insurance companys
2.) That insurance companys own DEM&PUG party
3.) That the insurance companys now have the IRS with
all is 'police powers', aka GUNS to forcibly collect,

Wall Street of course loves it,

But what Obama Care really means is a return DEBT-PRISON, for
next logical step is to imprison those who don't pay,
and then bill them for incarceration.

"Insurance" means to collect premium and deny claim, most country's in the world do just fine without any kind of 'insurance',

What is really needed is an honest debate about terminating the entire FASCIST biz model of the USA.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:16 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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Fascism = National Socialism
Communism = International Socialism

As the corporations have become international, so has our socialism. Obama was selected to complete the transformation of the US from National Socialism to International Socialism.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:42 | Link to Comment CashCowEquity
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Saw a lady paying $474 pre ObamaCare, now her rates are $871 per month + a $12,700.00 deductible.

#ObamaCare works...if you are an idiot.

 

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 02:52 | Link to Comment syntaxterror
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Can she fire a sniper rifle?

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 02:06 | Link to Comment Wahooo
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You'll have to terminate the government first. It's the tit for those fascists you hate.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:24 | Link to Comment duo
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add this to the car insurance analogy.  If you drive more than 50 miles from home, or out of state, your "insurance" is worthless, because none of the car washes or repair shops are in your network!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:19 | Link to Comment object_orient
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Nuh uh. It's a grand plan to destroy private insurers, wipe out their hundreds of billions in market cap, millions in campaign (bribe) contributions, eliminate countless jobs in an already shitty economy, and institute (slightly more) efficient government single payer national health insurance. I mean, if ZH commenters keep posting it, ya gotta believe it.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 03:19 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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You forgot: Distribute the proceeds from Obamacare to the democrat cronies.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 03:20 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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You forgot: Distribute the proceeds from Obamacare to the democrat cronies.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 03:33 | Link to Comment John_Coltrane
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"bought politicians on both sides?"  Well, they wasted their money on one side.  You know the one providing exactly,  ZERO=0, votes for obamacare (and also medicaid and medicare under LBJ).   Interestingly, one party seems to get an inordinate amount of funds (>90%) from trial lawyers.  Is there anything lower than a trial lawyer on the absolute parasitic scale (no, not even banksters)?  Reasoning and discrimination-its surprisingly useful in the game of life.

Never invoke conspiracy when incompetence will suffice.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:33 | Link to Comment Prime Rib
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More like " If your insurance company likes your health care plan you can keep it."

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:49 | Link to Comment moneybots
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More like " If your insurance company likes your health care plan you can keep it."

 

It is the government mandate that is cancelling your health care plan, so you can't keep it.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:33 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Correct.

Page 34,560 states (in many round-about ways) no one will keep their current plan, eventually, a snip:

 

 

(ii)

 

Increase in percentage costsharing

requirement.

 

Any increase,

measured from March 23, 2010, in a

percentage cost-sharing requirement

(such as an individual’s coinsurance

requirement) causes a group health plan

or health insurance coverage to cease to

be a grandfathered health plan.

 

 

https://webapps.dol.gov/federalregister/PdfDisplay.aspx?DocId=23967

Its all right there in the Federal Register, on page 34,560...lol.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:16 | Link to Comment Parisnights
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KKHHAANN!!

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:51 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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Obama lied, Insurance policies died.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:34 | Link to Comment unwashedmass
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I'm sorry. The plans that are being disallowed ARE Junk plans. 

Real crap. In my state, one of the companies that sold them is...no longer in business.......due to the requirement to provide actual real insurance. 

And after bankrupting those who thought they had insurance for years. 

How did they ever get licensed to sell, well.....let's talk about the cozy little arrangement with the Insurance commissioner, and our really honest politicians. 

This whole spin is about nothing more than attempting to defending the worst of the worst's right to defraud. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:37 | Link to Comment unwashedmass
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that said, I'm not defending ObamaCare. Chasing the outright frauds out of the market, tho, is one unintended good consequence. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:41 | Link to Comment One And Only
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"Chasing the outright frauds out of the market, tho, is one unintended good consequence."

Wrong. Obamacare simply moved the fraud and waste onto EVERYONE. There's roughly 200 billion in fraud/waste in Medicaid/Medicare.

What Obamacare did was take away the freedom of choice. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:54 | Link to Comment unwashedmass
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Clearly you have NO idea what has been going on for several years in many of the smaller markets. Can I suggest you google MEGA Insurance? And take a look at the "insurance" they were selling to the public.....and at what price. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:59 | Link to Comment One And Only
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It's called doing your due diligence.

Clearly you have NO idea how to shop or are just too lazy.

You shop around for rates and the credibility of the company providing the insurance. Part of having freedom is responsibility.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:13 | Link to Comment floyd084
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"Part of having freedom is responsibility." This. People can't handle freedom because they are irresponsible. 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:28 | Link to Comment JohnnyBriefcase
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They just want someone else to do the work for them.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:31 | Link to Comment ncdirtdigger
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Mehicans, doing the yobs mericans won't do.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:46 | Link to Comment NoDebt
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unwashed- if the government does any more to "help" or "protect" me I may not survive.  Ask the government for some water and they'll drop you in the middle of Lake Michigan with no life vest.  Tell them your house is on fire and they hand you dixie cup full of water. 

I require NO protection from (formerly) voluntary transactions WHATSOEVER.  Nobody needs the government to do that for them.  Protection from foreign invaders?  Fine, glad for help in that area.  Protection from an insurance company?  Insane.

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:43 | Link to Comment onewayticket2
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unwashed,  is Self Insuring a "junk plan" as you call it?

 

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 20:20 | Link to Comment Blano
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800-YOBS.

"Madonnas."

"McDonalds."

"No, Madonnas."

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:18 | Link to Comment Troll Magnet
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But responsibility is hard work for LIBTARDS. why take charge of anything when you can just suck the life out of everybody else?

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:40 | Link to Comment object_orient
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You had the freedom to buy a high deductible plan, not be able to pay for it, declare bankruptcy and pass the costs to other taxpayers.

Now you have the freedom to buy a government mandated plan from a private insurer where the cost defrayments are upfront. Meh.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:00 | Link to Comment Carl Popper
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Why cant we get rid of the bad apples then? Why does my plan have to go? Oh. Because there is another agenda here.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:13 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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So instead of prosecuting a few fraudulent companies the fix was to take over an entire industry and force people to buy whatever the supreme leader deems as right and just.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:24 | Link to Comment Carl Popper
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A few fraudulent companies was just an excuse even a Daily Kos mental midget could figure out. Especially because they say it so openly on the socialist websites. It would be hard to miss lol

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:32 | Link to Comment ncdirtdigger
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You catch on fast weedhopper. 

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 02:37 | Link to Comment James-Morrison
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"Bad Apples" is the same lie as "if you like your existing insurance, you can keep it."

The truth is that the Obamacare policies are worse than the "bad apples" policies for most people.

Check out "Lambert Corrente" blog. Google it.

It highlights the same policy and letter I received from Regence.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:51 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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Obama eats dog.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:46 | Link to Comment Carl Popper
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Wrongo unwhashed. See my plan below.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:39 | Link to Comment Catullus
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They were such crap that hundreds of thousands were purchasing them. Go figure.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:44 | Link to Comment object_orient
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That's because they were cheap, and if push ever came to shove, you could eliminate the bill in bankruptcy court. But that's free, right? It was a government subsidy on the backend then, and a government subsidy on the front end now.

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 03:42 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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They were such crap that 80% of small businesses and 64% of large businesses and unions were also purchasing them.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:41 | Link to Comment Prime Rib
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Gosh,  I  hope that's all there is to the spin. Time will tell. Every state may be different.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:41 | Link to Comment evokanivo
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Maybe in some cases - but look at the following example which proves you're painting with too broad a brush:

My parents are retired and fairly well off. They buy catastrophic health insurance, and pay out-of-pocket for anything they need year to year. They're in good health, so they don't see doctors often. The point is, they got the insurance they needed (against bankruptcy due to major illness) while saving money on the day-to-day stuff that they have ample savings to pay for.

Their plan is being discontinued as a result of Obamacare, and now they have to shell out an additional 6k/year for health care they don't use that does nothing more to prevent bankrcuptcy due to major illness.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:46 | Link to Comment carlin401
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This is why wall-street loves OC, because it means that anybody in this business is going to see their
profits 3-4X,

Obama has proven that anything can be SOLD to the USA public,

Next logical biz model is 'child care' mandated by government that turns toddlers into gubmint ran whore houses, its only
logical, .. squeeze max blood from rock, .. then turn rock into revenue source,

Sadly most USA citizens have little value other than
blood, tissue, and organ harvesting, ... other than sex services to asian tourists,

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Anusocracy
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The leader of the hunter-gatherers wants egalitarian healthcare to benefit his tribe.

Not yours.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 20:22 | Link to Comment Blano
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They'll probably get maternity services as part of their plan too.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 20:40 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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evokanivo said:  "Their plan is being discontinued as a result of Obamacare, and now they have to shell out an additional 6k/year..."

That is precisely the plan, to crush anything left of the middle-class.

It is not a "left" or "right" agenda, it is the agenda of the kleptoligarchy - which is comprised of both red and blue pills.  It is an asset confiscation scheme, period.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:43 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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Gosh! Since you seem to know all about the millions of individual policies that have been cancelled, Obama should call upon your clairvoyance to be a spokeman for Obamacare. God only knows we need him, more now than ever, to protects us from evil insurance companies.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Carl Popper
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My insurance is a high quality carastrophic plan with 7000 dollar unitary deductible. It doesnt have fre birth control, free wellness checks, and I didnt purchase the voluntary pregnancy rider. It also has limited drug and alcohol abuse benefits.

It is a fine plan. But I am only grandfathered for one year. As one of the makers and not a taker I will be spending 1800 per month on a shitty Obamacare plan that has even higher deductibles when they are all added up.

My current plan for me and three of my kids is 495 per month.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 18:49 | Link to Comment WhackoWarner
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$1800 per month?  You got to be seriously joking.

 

Maybe you folks down South of 49 should have taken time to review some public plans in other countries.  They may have problems but all citizens are covered.  Nobody I have ever known in Canada has gone belly up due to illness.  Maybe some folks argue about expensive drug therapies that are not authorized.  That is a legitimate complaint.

We choose as well to carry an extended private plan which provides for choices not available with gov. plan.  Drug costs;  semi-private rooms in hospital; dental care.  Our system here is strained but has served Canadians for decades.

If you are sick in Canada you go to the Emergency.  Period.  Even is you do not have a "Care Card" I very much doubt anyone would throw you out the door. Or do a credit check before treatment.

So what is my point?   The big Health Insurers have not left the scene in the US.  Profits must be protected before lives.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:39 | Link to Comment Carl Popper
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Average price of a basic silver family plan without subsidy is around 20,000

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 19:55 | Link to Comment WhackoWarner
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How can anyone afford this?  $20K?    That is the annual wage before taxes on a well-paid part-time job.

I am floored by this.  In Canada, for decades our helath plans vary by province.  Normally employers will cover.  Here in British Columbia I think is $75 or so/month. ( if I am wrong it is because I have never had to pay a premium in my working life).  My husband's Union provides extended Blue Cross.  Drug costs are free after a deductible.  Dental care with lots of extras....

IF I had to come up with $20K a year to pay to insure against health?  I have no solution as to how I would do this.  I wish you luck my friend.

NOW here is my bias.  I do not think that hospitals should be for-profit.  I do not think that doctors need millions per year to work.  I ABSOLUTELY do not think that a for profit insurance scam needs to have sway over whether someone lives or dles.

 

Canadian system has faults.  As does the UK and many other national health schemes.  But people do not go broke paying for the "roll of dice" coverage.  This is just the wrong place to allow corporations to deal the cards.  Obamacare is nothing. It comes up so short of covering the population.

Shoulda, coulda  thrown out the private insurers and gone to a national plan.  But see how can you do that when the country is broke?

 

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 20:24 | Link to Comment Arius
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"How can anyone afford this?"

 

at least 50 million do not have health insurance ... yours truly doesnt either

Mon, 11/04/2013 - 02:48 | Link to Comment James-Morrison
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20k per year is like buying one new car per year.

Watch out for subsidized ObamaCAR, the new plan for extracting money from people who own automobiles that don't fit the whim of TBTB.

"it can't happen here.", Frank Zapa

"Get me outta here!", Bugs Bunny

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:23 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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"Canadian system has its faults"

The Canadian system blows donkey cock. You're a fucking ignoramus if you don't understand why.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:25 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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It is designed, on purpose, to bankrupt Americans.

It is getting closer to the time when all the masks will be off, the camps opened, and the trains to the Gas Chambers begin.

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 21:57 | Link to Comment TeamDepends
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Three hots and a cot.  Not!

Sun, 11/03/2013 - 22:20 | Link to Comment Borrow Owl
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Three hots and a coffin.

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