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Armored Gunman Loose In New Jersey Mall; Shots Fired, Injuries Reported - Live Stream
Shots were fired Monday night at the 2.1 million square feet Garden State Plaza mall in Paramus, New Jersey, according to several reports. Local TV network PIX11 reports, "according to a police source:
- the shooting began near the Nordstrom’s department store on the second level of the mall
- At least eight shots have been fired;
- The gunman is believed to be wearing body armor;
- Stores are on lockdown;
- Over 200 police units and SWAT team are on the scene;
Finally, several hours after it started, the situation ends with the suspected gunman allegedly shooting himself.
BREAKING NEWS: INJURIES NOW BEING REPORTED AFTER SHOTS FIRED AT GARDEN STATE MALL. SUSPECT STILL AT LARGE.
— PzFeed Top News (@PzFeed) November 5, 2013
CNN Reports,
Eddie Kahmann, who works inside the mall, told CNN he heard 6-7 gunshots around 9:20 p.m. ET. "There was just people running like crazy so I quickly just closed my doors, ran to the back, turned off all the lights, music and everything, just to stay hidden," he said.
Kahmann spoke from inside the mall, one of the largest shopping centers in the New York City area.
Ally Kozic, another mall employee, said she saw "someone dressed in all black, carrying a large gun walk past our store."
UPDATE: MASS CASUALTY UNITS BEING SENT TO GARDEN STATE PLAZA FOR ACTIVE SHOOTER INCIDENT
— N. Jerzy Fire Alert (@NJerzyFireAlert) November 5, 2013
BREAKING UPDATE: PEOPLE INSIDE THE GARDEN STATE MALL HIDING IN CLOSETS AND IN THE BATHROOMS AFTER SHOTS FIRED AND SUSPECT AT LARGE.
— PzFeed Top News (@PzFeed) November 5, 2013
WNBC reporter tells @Lawrence that many mall workers after hearing shots locked up their shops then hid in the back.
— Luke Russert (@LukeRussert) November 5, 2013
NBC New York reports,
Witnesses told NBC 4 New York a man dressed in all black, including a black helmet, was carrying a rifle and started firing shots inside the mall.
It wasn't immediately clear if anyone was hit.
"He was fully armored head to toe, like he planned this. Like it's not like a random thing," said a male shopper who did not want to give his name.
Clarice Forbes, who works at the Talbots store, said the alleged gunman fired his rifle as he walked through the mall.
"When he walked past our store, he looked directly in the store and strolled past," she said. "It was very, very terrifying."
Forbes said the gunman continued to walk toward Nordstrom and "you could still hear the gunshots going off in the air."
"There were so many thought going through my head. I was so scared."
First images from inside (via @kathrynlopez)
We're all in one place at nordstrom, including a bunch of kids. #paramus
— Kathryn Jean Lopez (@kathrynlopez) November 5, 2013
SWAT team at Garden State Plaza after reports of a shooter inside http://t.co/gq3MbVvxm0 #GSP #Paramus pic.twitter.com/4qM3kYQeJT
— NorthJerseybrk (@NorthJerseybrk) November 5, 2013
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Ties in well with the theivery epidemic article...
Do these incedents EVER happen where people can carry either concealed or open?!
Are you SURE this isnt the Westgate mall in NJ??
I heard there is already predictive programming for this...
BREAKING NEWS:
MSNBC: "Assualt rifle used at mall...."
Fox News: "Homeland security reviewing security procedures at mall."
Whitehouse: "Ah, and, ah. Guns are bad."
Day of the MK ULTRA Jackal.
I have notice that these shootings are occuring in ever state my conceal carry permit is not accepted.
I guess it's Monday again...
Our local mall has more employees than customers most days, a shooter would be hard pressed to find a victim to target.
Rather than go on and on about the guns these psychos use, could we get some information on the psychotropic meds they are on?
Uh, no we can't . That kinda information wouldn't be useful in furthering he 'agenda'. Forward ! ;>)
This is an easy one, just don't go to the mall.
People still go to malls? Well it is Paramus not far from ponzi and fiat NYC. NE NJ is still fed by NYC plus NJ probably has 5 govt employees per 10 residents.
I am so disappointed that not one of the witnesses mentioned grabbing scissors for defense. Don't they know this simple tactic from their govt training video? /sarc
http://nypost.com/2013/01/31/homeland-security-has-advice-for-confrontin...
Expect to see TSA-style checkpoints with body scanners at all malls and movie theaters in 5, 4, 3, 2, ....
For the children!
Dammit. My REIT was just almost back to break even, and now this. Why do *I* always have all the bad luck!?!
Hey Akak.
Bet you're glad to live in a state where you can carry huh?
How long do you think this clown would have lasted here?
Probably not too long!
It still amazes me that ANYONE in this state would try to rob a home, never knowing if the occupant(s) was actually out of the house or not. Like that young idiot in South Anchorage recently, walking into people's homes in the early morning through unlocked doors --- anyone trying THAT in my neighborhood would just be committing a rather messy suicide.
Gladio stay behind USA
kaka, it's a fact that very few trailer parks are targeted by house burglars so you are in little danger, except maybe if you come home early someday and catch a frightened pizza delivery boy in your boyfriend's haypile.
Wow, the endless stream of witticisms pouring out of you is certainly breathtaking. I certainly am learning from your example how to post things more worth while. Your Potty jokes and personal attacks are so impressive but I'm not sure if I can ever achieve your level of sophistication.
Miffed;-)
I could take the low road and respond to him in kind, but such a response would be more ad helminthem than ad hominem.
Sigh...yes. As one who has experience working with such organisms let me attest to their slippery amorphous characteristics. No matter how sharp the scalpel or determination and tenacity of it's wielder, the subject is difficult to penetrate. I have often stared at one in frustration wishing it had a backbone. But I guess their preferred life dwelling in feces and drawing subsistence from others would be too difficult.
Miffed;-)
Is that one of your Obamessiah's euphemistic term for all the taxpayer largesse collected in Washington DC by the IRS?
its a civic duty to end these terrorists.
Holy crap. What are those?!? Is there something wrong with that woman?
ARMED checkpoints.
That would certainly help boost Christmas sales for the sheeple. They would feel safe. Me on the other hand would prefer sporting my XD40 and would not be welcome. Thank god for them I'm in the minority.
Miffed;-)
Psychotropic meds FEDbuster? My money is on this:
http://digitaljournal.com/article/324779
To all the wanna be chief Kesslers out there. This is north Jersey, THE most densely populated part of the country. You can't drive 3 minutes without seeing the police or hearing a siren. There are more off duty cops, judges, and lawyers walking around with carry permits than you can shake an AR15 at. Not to mention recently returned vets, martial artists, wanna be heroes and mafioso to name a few. Oh and mall security as well. Not enough guns for you yet? It's the access to guns, you friggin wackos.
So, you're saying joisey has a bunch of cowardly metrosexuals running around who use the gun as a fashion accessory, instead of its true purpose?
"cops, judges, and lawyers walking around with carry permits" - What do you expect when you arm the sociopaths?
That's why it is UNPOSSIBLE.
NJ has some of the most restrictive gun laws, therefore this person CANNOT have a gun.
It’s just a darn good thing that none of the sane, law abiding people there are carrying any firearms to defend themselves with.
That would constitute a danger to themselves and the other defenseless free citizens there.
It was reported that earlier in the day, vandals removed all of the 'Gun Free Zone' signs from the mall which made the mall susceptible to this kind of activity.
I blame the vandals. How was the shooter supposed to know if the signs weren't plainly visible?
Hollywood Shootout 1997
The famous Bank of America robbery North Hollywood shootout
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrlUsaYlKPs
I have noticed the increase in frequency of these shootings coincides with legislative attempts to annihilate the 2nd amdt.
the frequency of these shootings coincides with the looting of the nation....
Let me guess, a white young male with an AR 15, who is a loner.
...who believes in the constitution and liberty....and is anti government....
...and is carrying the incriminating documents in his backpack...
Nah ZH has it wrong... the mall is giving away donuts tonight.
This was preventable. Never close a Cinnabon early when Chris Christie is in the area for a campaign event.
If everyone had just "sheltered in place" this woul....I can't even say that jokingly. I cannot STAND to hear that phrase. It just makes so little sense at all.
"So there's a guy with a gun shooting people. Just cower in place and don't try to do anything. The authorities will be here soon. Just hide and shelther in place."
What a bunch of shit.
Shirley there must have been some defensive scissors in at least several of the stores..
it's the state-endorsed methtod for muppets to defend themselves against a whacko with a deadly semi-automatic weapon of war.
Police chief was just on local news citing a history of drug use, he cited "mdma". Really, ecstasy, really? I bet he reached his emotional self-discovery dance floor catharsis as he was blowing up cameras with his bangstick. When pressed on that point he stammered, "it's a narcotic, uh he uh used heroin as well".
Where were all the armed concealed carry permit holders in that mall when this nut job showed up!?
Guns not allowed in malls in NJ??
As for the body armor... this is why I train to hit the knees, hands and face as well. And a heavy object thrown at the back of the head can often help the situation.
BTW, a half inch of plexi-glass stops a lot of hand gun rounds and can greatly slow a 223 AR round.
Ans isn't there a Dick's sporting good store in that mall?
Why yes there is! Then its weapon of choice demo time!
Shop smart (bitchez)
Shop S MART!
and listens to Alex Jones.
NSA has informed us that he listened daily to Glen Beck and he had one of those American flag stickers on his car window.
...backpack http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vagc55LsCAM
There will be a reckoning.
Remember names and addresses where possible people.
Yup, I'm keeping a list, checking twice, and will remind all of who has been naughty and not so nice.
A man that sais he can't remember who he is, and they have to act upon him resisting being beaten on?
Hasn't it occured to any of these people that he might be frightened out of his mind not knowing who he was or where?
Such barbaric disregard for human life. I'm ashamed to be the same species.
This is one of the most disgusting displays of thuggery I have ever seen. Truly sad. These cops need to hang.
But, who believes in safety first....he remembrred his helmet.
His passport will be found in the rubble.
We'll soon see footage of his basement room, walls plastered with failed applications for NSA jobs.
And I will bet that his name is CIA~N~CIA as it is his brother taking revenge...or some other nonsense? (New Jersey??? Get the connection?)
"If you like your guns, you can keep your guns."
Obama actually said something like that many lies ago and I trust him to not keep his word.
just ask david koresh
"until we take your guns."
"Fox News: "Homeland security reviewing security procedures at mall.""
I here the mall owners were letting anyone come in and shop. They even let them bring in liquids. Get the TSA down there quick and put a stop to that now.
/sarc and LOL
Only one way to explain all of these ... ... ...
Endtime Madness: A Condition To Be ‘Reckoned’ With
http://thehealthcoach1.com/?p=48
They do. It's just they end before there is a body count and the press doesn't like to cover positive outcomes:
http://www.kgw.com/news/Clackamas-man-armed-confronts-mall-shooter-18359...
http://www.examiner.com/article/media-blackout-oregon-mall-shooter-was-s...
More importantly toaster deaths at all time high, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2632203/posts
Holy shit. Space heaters killed 490 "civilians" last year. http://www.nfpa.org/safety-information/for-consumers/causes/heating
Double holy shit ... 34,000 people killed in auto accidents last year. It's a massacre! Ban cars, toasters and space heaters for the love of God! http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811741.pdf
Whatever you do, don't look up bathtub deaths.
Deaths by .gov were at record highs lately. Any chance we can ban .gov?
You really want to dance with death, get admitted to a hospital.
They've stopped counting Deaths by Drones
it was getting embarassing
Or Christmas tree lights. Those things are deadly.
When you add to that all the people who have been electrocuted from other things, electricity is real, real, real bad. Gotta ban it. Batteries too so people can't carry it concealed.
And plastic bags, lawnmowers, chainsaws, construction equipment, lead covered childrens' toys from China, etc.
The one and only reason guns are singled out is that they are a defense against the police state. Period, end of story. They are protecting themselves from us. They don't care if we die.
Nah, you are just suffering from a case of .gov police state dicktatorship paranoia. Take a couple of THX-1138 relaxers, eat your soylent green and tomorrow all will be right with the world.
Don't forget the cords to your blinds and most "child safety seats".
During 2011, 678,860 missing person records were entered into NCIC.
Juveniles under the age of 18 account for 37,371 (43.9%)
- wiki
"They don't care if we die."
Sadly, I would have to disagree with you.
"The one and only reason guns are singled out is that they are a defense against the police state. Period, end of story. They are protecting themselves from us. They don't care if we die."
The Force is strong with you.
I hope they had a license to operate those space heaters.
Every week the NRA magazines publish "The Armed Citizen".
A full page of feel-good stories about gun owners protecting life and property. Sadly, it's the only place I ever see these stories.
Thanks for the links.
I've done so twice (protecting myself, not stopping mall shootings.) It happens a lot. It doesn't always get reported, however, because most of the time shots aren't fired and a lot of people don't want to invite the man into their lives. I can tell you from personal experience, when most thugs realize that the person that they are dealing with is armed and has the drop on them, they'd rather move on to greener pastures.
Yeah, it's funny how that works. Ten years ago there was a massive fire in san diego that forced most of my neighbors and myself to evacuate. Many of us including myself were looted. 5 years later there was another fire and a forced mandatory evacuation. All of us refused to leave. My older daughter spray painted a sign at the entrance to our Mesa. " Looters will be shot. Have a Nice Day!" We had no problems.
Miffed;-)
2 years old now.
http://www.examiner.com/article/north-carolina-pizza-hut-worker-shoots-k...
Never happened to me. This is the reason why I carry _EVERY_ day and everywhere that I can. Including malls that prohibit firearms. They have no rule of law to force me to leave other than simple trespass where I live. So to the sign on the door: fuck'it
Any laws that infringe on your right to keep and bear arms are unlawful.
True, but a property owner has the right to ask that you not bring guns onto their property, ask you to leave if you do, and then shoot you if you refuse.
Oh, I totally agree! That is their right, being the owners of the property and it is completely within their rights to shoot you if they feel threatened by your refusal to recognise their rights. I wouldn't want anyone carrying on my property without my consent.
My rule is simple. If I think I need to carry someplace, I ask myself why the fuck am I going there? I do not object to carry and have a large number of firearms. I carry when I need to, but I want to be a bit careful not to put myself in harm's way without a reason.
I use ATMs a LOT, but the one night I decided to go to an ATM without carrying I had a rather disturbing incident that I found myself looking for a "quick exit" to flee with my vehicle (drive up ATM). When I instinctively reached to draw, I realized I wasn't carrying that moment and had to get the f*ck out of that situation quick.
Believe me, it only takes ONE such incident before you realize that you should always be packing if you can.
This ATM was well lit in a safe area of town.... it just so happend to have a crazy ass motherfucker in a truck trying to go crazy at it.
You never want to find yourself defenseless.. ANYWHERE. And you can never assume that you're "safe" anywhere.
Ok, I just make it a habit not to put myself at risk. If I lived in some of the places I have lived in my life, I suppose I would carry all the time too. Risk avoidance can do wonders at times, but it is not always possible. When it is not possible, you carry.
"And you can never assume that you're "safe" anywhere."
This.
Both of my incidents were in decent areas. The first one was when I was stuck in traffic and gang bangers started piling out of a car. I never figured out why they were pissed off at me. The other one was at a gas station, and I had watched the guy cut across the street away from the gas station. I went in, did my business, then came back out and he was right in my face. He had gang tats and scars from cigarette burns on his neck and was asking for money. I refused, so he started following me about 12" behind me. In retrospect, I should have given him an elbow to the head at that point because it was clear he was trying to start shit and I could have ended it without him expecting it, but I didn't. I stopped to get into my vehicle and he kept on walking, but started with the "FUCK YOU, GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY WAY. FUCK YOU, I'M JUST GOING TO MY CAR." He then walked about 30', stopped and turned around and started coming at me and it was "FUCK YOU MOTHERFUCKER, I'LL FUCK YOU UP, FUCK YOU BITCH." Then he started lifting his shirt, and I thought he was going for a weapon, so I started to draw mine. I never figured out if he was armed because I got the drop on him and he stopped dead in his tracks.
Not even a quarter mile away were million dollar homes, across the street were nice restaurants, and a half mile down the road were some small farms, and the area has low crime. It was just some douche bag who was transient or from another part of town. The other thing that I don't get is I'm >200lbs and 6'2" and while I could stand to lose 5 or 10 lbs of fat, I'm more muscle than not. Yet people still fuck with me, and it's normally when I least expect it. I've had ghetto rats be cool as hell to me, then I get into a nice neighborhood and BAM!
my advice
relocate to a new country
LOL, no, it's just me. Lets just say that I've always been easy to pick out of a crowd. I've had people who will go out of their way to fuck with me since I was a teenager. It was the same with both my dad and grandfather. I get along great with most people and I tend to think that moving to get away from the 0.1% of the population that does that shit is foolish, especially when it would probably be the same or worse anywhere I go. It used to happen more when I was younger.
" Yet people still fuck with me, and it's normally when I least expect it."
Wow, really, wonder why that is? Live in condition yellow you dumb fuck.
I was refering to being in a decent area is when it happens. Both times I was in a decent area. Being in condition yellow doesn't avoid all confrontations. It does make you ready to deal with them when you cannot avoid them.
Unless you've had people fuck with like that and can share how you handled it?
Otherwise, you can fuck off and get spacedocked you pretentious twat.
I had a friend who was 6'3" 270, not fat, huge like an nfl lineman and guys liked to fuck with him. I think they wanted to prove they weren't afraid or something. He was pretty good at defusing things with humor, only saw him fight once when the guy struck him first. About 6 1 220 ish. My friend took him right down and made a mess of his face with one blow.
Small man syndrome
Knowing the DHS, TSA and the local PD are around make me feel safe enough to walk around armed.
Yes, but they don't make it to "mass casualty", it's usually just the perp and whoever he ambushed first.
Here's what I can't figure. What doesn't someone get an angle on some crazy shit head like this, wait and when he turns, just frikin bull rush him and knock him on his ass. He'd fold like a cheap suit. All these idiots (shooter types) are frikin cowards anyhow. I'm from Jersey. Can't believe there's not one guy that can't slobberknocker this punk. 200 "police units..." sheesh. Like we really frikin need that! I grew up with a couple guys that would tear this guy's lungs out. Where are guys like that?
Where are those guys? Not at the mall, unfortunately.
I love how the Northeast was filled with "tough guy" types when I was younger. They were everywhere. If those are the guys you are talking about, well, apparently they aren't so tough.
What was Jill Biden doing? "Just walk outside on the balcony here, and fire a couple blasts in the air!" Right next door at JCP, shopping sales because Joe is too stoopid to make money in Washington, and what does she do? Nothing. When will we have leadership in this country?
Perhaps someone should keep track about such events and compare it against how poorly the ACA or a person's popularity is faring.
Not that events like this would serve as a distraction or anything, or happen on the day that an article about a quote from a book hits the news.
The Barney Fifes in my area shouldn't be allowed to carry guns. A few years back one of the fat slobs got himself killed with his own gun during a confrontation. They put a statue up in his memory. I don't know how they live with the shame.
Great catch man, outstanding. We can never know of course but I suspect most of us would not be surprised to find a causal relationship.
You son of a bitch....I am under the desk...scissors ready.
New Jersey doesn't fuck around do they?
Doesn't Jim Cramer live in New Jersey?
The Gestapo copied the uniform of the NJSP
I hope this doesn't interrupt Governor Chris Christie's supper...
He's got to-go containers for such emergencies.
.... and a CDL driver on retainer to make sure they arrive on time.
Cory Booker had a police scanner on all the time so he could show up at fires and so forth. "Mayor arrives at 1 alarm fire, saves kitten." great press you know. Asshole. More so the folks who voted for him.
Which one?
I am sort of hoping that Corzine is out shopping for a tie.
Thank you...funniest thing I've read all night
Cue Armed TSA agents in malls and airports in 3...2..1..
Who the fuck goes to malls anyway?! Don't these people know about Amazon.com? What is this, like, 1996?
I told this to my wife last weekend as we sat around and watch the morning "news." Has anyone ever noticed that ALL television news outlets report the exact same stories and opinions, in the same order (same lead story, 2nd, 3rd, so on), and take the exact same scheduled commercial breaks 90% of the time... every single day? If "news" was a business, they'd compete for viewers, and therefore, try something new (different opinions, stories, angles, anything). But it's not a business, it's propaganda.
Hulk, You forgot to take the blue pill today... Please make sure to double-dose tonight and watch Honey Boo Boo in the morning.
Alert, alert, we've got one breaking its programing. Let's get a physical location on that ip address and send some units out to sterilize the location. Confiscate all data devices within a one mile radius of this subjects locale, shoot to kill is authorized (as usual). Back in time for coffee break...
sex, violence, and drugs sell extremely well in american society.
West Cost drill/false flag followed by an East Coast drill/false flag. Anyone know if any drills were held in NJ in the past few months or so?
so armed robbery is now "terrorism" ? cant wait till knocking off a 711 gets "active shooter" labeled and mass casualty units dispatched.
what.the.fuck!?!
ps fuck you jamie dimon
Yes, and speaking its' name is terrorism as well. See you in the FEMA camp.
No drills, they were last summer black hawks buzzing the shore for "urban training"
Everyday life in Jersey city, Newark, Paterson, Paramus, the Oranges depending on what side of the tracks you live on IS the drill..
But this is a whole new level even for Jersey and I will be shocked if this guy isn't shot 30 times
Hey, we need to start a pool:
Total injuries.
Fatal injuries.
Anyone here gamble? And knows how to set over/under, odds, and ?.
I will bet that they will tell you that it is CIA~N~CIA's brother. Where was he from? Jersey?
Can't any of these crazed citizens find their way to Washington DC?
J
I suppose they would, if they were crazed citizens.
Truth is, most people don't have a target for their rage (few read and research at a level that would give them the red pill effect).
right, these crazed "citizens" come from DC...
Who wants to bet that Nick Pugh will be there?
No doubt protesting the reduction in EBT.
Over.
yep always right idea ,wrong target
Strict NJ gun control, keeping the NJ Plebs safe...OH SHIT!
"NJ: Magazines limited to 15 rounds. Police officers may possess "high capacity magazines" for duty purposes and may possess personal "high capacity magazines" with recommendation by their agency."
Anyone want to take the over/under on how many rounds this guys magazines held? If it's over 15, it must have been a cop doing the shooting, I guess. Law says so.
This happens on election eve after months of campaign ads (for NJ's incredibly bloated government pension scheme - governorship, assembly, state senate, freeholder, etc.) where almost universally there was a thrown in knocking guns.
The ads didn't even make sense with the gun comments. Property Taxes, minimum wage, income taxes, fees, oh and I will stand up to the gun lobby NRA. total nonsense.
psy operations see.
does larry silverstein have monies in this building just askin.
crisis
actors
robbie parker cue the anderson cooper musac.
This is the music I was thinking of. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LQftYK2n8o
I wonder how many of the televised witnesses will bear a striking similarity to people in Boston, Connecticut...
Better get the fuck out of that building before ole Larry decides to "pull it" or they "pulverize" the pieces of the building. You know, for the children.
Monday night? They will probably be able to get good crisis actors from Boradway or off Broadway. They just need to be careful not to break into any show tunes as their grieve on camera.
Where is the list of DHS drills that are to be run in Oct / Nov?
There was a website with all that crap.
AS PREDICTABLE AS THE SUN AND MOON
More Government BULLSHIT
Just what Christie needs in order to take decisive action and seal his bid for 2016. Bravo.......
This should ramp up the Christmas buying spirit!
I posted yesterday New Jersey pressure cooker has its temperature way too high. People here are ready to pop !
Can I get a shelter in place? Amen.
Over.
No.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vagc55LsCAM
Trick or Treat gone awry.