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Google's Schmidt Blasts "Outrageous", "Illegal" Domestic NSA Spying
Google Executive Chairman Eric Schmidt is the latest to admit he is shocked, shocked, to learn there was spying going on in here. In an interview with the WSJ "bristled" at the recent report that the U.S. government has spied on the company's data centers, describing such an act as "outrageous" and potentially illegal if proven. Then again, since the NSA's domestic espionage is effectively unchecked expect by a secret FISA court which approves virtually every spying request, the legality of the NSA's activity has little relevance but merely confirms what Snowden wrote in his "manifesto", in which he correctely noted that he has opened a long overdue debate over the meaning of civil liberties and lack thereof in the age of the authoritarian superspying big brother state.
From the WSJ:
"It's really outrageous that the National Security Agency was looking between the Google data centers, if that's true. The steps that the organization was willing to do without good judgment to pursue its mission and potentially violate people's privacy, it's not OK," Mr. Schmidt told The Wall Street Journal in an interview on Sunday. "The Snowden revelations have assisted us in understanding that it's perfectly possible that there are more revelations to come."
"The National Security Agency allegedly collected the phone records of every phone call of 320 million people in order to identify roughly 300 people who might be a risk. That's just bad public policy…and perhaps illegal," he said.
The NSA, as usual, played so dumb one would think instead of math and code breaking geniuses it employed economists:
When contacted Monday, the NSA referred to its statement last week that said recent press articles about the NSA's collection had misstated facts and mischaracterized the NSA's activities.
"NSA conducts all of its activities in accordance with applicable laws, regulations, and policies—and assertions to the contrary do a grave disservice to the nation, its allies and partners, and the men and women who make up the National Security Agency," it said in a statement last week.
As for Google, while it may be disgusted, it was in no hurry to change operating practices:
Mr. Schmidt said in the interview that the right balance of security and privacy starts with finding the appropriate level of oversight.
"There clearly are cases where evil people exist, but you don't have to violate the privacy of every single citizen of America to find them," he said.
Sadly, finding the "evil people" is the least of the NSA's motives in a time when even the vaguest thoughts against the "greater good" have to be preemptively crushed in their embryonic stage with Kafkaesque laser guided pre-crime precision.
Full Schmidt interview below.
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Expect to see him take another job soon.
All part of the script
In the battle between CIA and NSA, Google is definitely on the CIA side.
Schmidt should know.....he helped write the manuals.
I'd be shocked to find out he wasn't getting a paycheck from the NSA.
adjust the company's motto in: don't get caught doing...
Shocked, just shocked I tell you...ya right! You're Sgt Shultzy act fools no one peckerwood, google is at the forefront of this NSA debacle and he want us to believe otherwise....ROFLMAOGMEO!
WHO IS GOING TO JAIL?
By the look of your name, probably you.
Popo, for the domestic part or for the foreign part?
Schmidt should probably just stfu and take his $6 or 7 Billion in Google profits and ride off into the sunset. Outside of being a total disingenuous hypocrite he may wish to thank his lucky stars that Page and Brin even hired him in the first place after he had managed to totally drive Novell into the ground. Just say thank you Eric and hit the bricks.
Mr Schmidt has nothing to worry about unless he has something to hide.
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/fisa-215-feinstein-nsa
The NSA (Google) is not stopping the Bankers from stealing everything because they ARE the Bankers.
sorry, mr schmidt. you pissed away your (substantial, as ceo of google) credibility long ago. prior poster is right....just part of the script.
"I'd be shocked to find out he wasn't getting a paycheck from the NSA."
that is,
"I'd be shocked -- SHOCKED -- to find out he's getting a paycheck from the NSA."
Rope's cheaper.
WHO IS GOING TO JAIL?
Only the good guy. (If he tries to return.)
Oh that's nothin, round here in central GA we are practice in our martial law skills as we now can pull over anyone at any time at a check point of our choosing and ask for lic, reg, ins, search your car for any illegals (drugs, people, ect). And don't turn around to avoid a check point, you will automaticly be pulled over and arrested. Nothin big, no big future plans to test the resistance level, nothing to see here, move along folks, if you dare.
Look to Tennessee Georgians.....and remember the battle of Athens.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
Face it...if Congress doesn't do anything about it then nothing else matters or will not change.
Fuck you too Schmitt
That was before Mayberry, and now this is after Mayberry. Life was good and quite in the 60's. Now it's a mess that can't be fixed.
Wow, never knew that. I was going to make a nifty comment about Schmidt's private elevator and then got side tracked by history.
History is pretty cool.....we just don't teach it to our kids anymore.
Hmm....all of sudden that link just stopped working. What are the odds?
Try this one. It's NSA/Wiki free.
http://www.constitution.org/mil/tn/batathen.htm
As long as everyone complies, the abuse will continue.
In due course, this entire surveillance apparatus will come crumbling down and its cop goon squads will be rendered helpless and overmatched by the very people they've oppressed. Not a matter of 'if', but a matter of 'when' the aging power grid breakdowns for good and this whole fucker grinds to a halt. Make sure you're many miles up wind from the nuclear reactors.
that is not what happened in germany. so history will be different this time?
Germany was utterly destroyed in WWII. As a result, Germans have their Schrebergärtens. Americans, not having experienced war firsthand up front and personal, have big flatscreen TV's with 900 channels of mindsapping distraction. Who's the wiser?
What we have is a state within a state. Couple of government entities have decided to go rogue and operate by a different set of rules. Pretty common in countries that are banana republics and where the command structure is fragmented and effective leadership is non-existent. The next stage of evolution in these tin-pot countries is coup d'etat.
He needs to go from "I see you" to ICU.
Ah, I see that NSA is already defined as such: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_within_a_state
The NSA is no more rogue than the US Post Office. It is a tool by which the US gov't gains access to information that it should not/could not have otherwise. I have no doubt that Obama has already made use of the information the NSA has presented him with.
Clearly the motto is doublespeak of some sort or another, correct? I mean why even play with the word if there isn't evil going on.
Fucking hypocrite.
You cant have it both ways, bitch.
He;s the asshole WHO GAVE THEM THE KEY TO THE COMPANY!
wtf is he talking about?
wtf is he talking about?
He's talking to the suckers who buy GOOG.
That's right, and to the advertisers, too.
All the big, International tech companies are sweating this one, big time! See IBM latest financials. Cisco reports later this month. Should be interesting, as foreign companies run away from American tech at every opportunity.
Sadly, who can blame them. All this 'in your face' spying and hubris is now about to hit America where it hurts most, and the CEO's are rightly scarred shitless as this thing just keeps getting worse. Their foreign competitors have already incorporated the fact that American tech companies can't be trusted into their sales and marketing plans. Forward guideance may be a bit cloudy.
Mighty rich coming from an NSA/ CIA/ FBI affiliate, who got paid handsomely to spy on the world.
Google is such a scumbag company with Apple and Microsoft close behind along with Oracle and a bunch of other tech companies. FaceBook is the worst. F all of them and scumbag Schmidt.
Squelch the paranoia. Schmidt is one of the good guys, see the transcript of his discussion with Julian Assange at http://wikileaks.org/Transcript-Meeting-Assange-Schmidt.html
Schmidt has to be careful what he says, possibly due to concerns about national security letters, the most poisonous weapon against democracy: NSLs criminalize specific speech partly to hide the NSL itself. Snowden's whistle blowing probably cleared the way for Schmidt to say more. Furthermore, if he officially knew about inter-datacenter tapping, then he would be obligated to deny it or say nothing at all.
Edit: Now that I have read about co-author Jared Cohen's background and Assange's follow ups on their book, I must say I am very disappointed.
Eric Schmidt is a regular Bilderberg attendee. Like he doesn't know whats going on, let alone calling some shots. Please...
Where's the list of government made billionaires?
From goog ceo to some shitty solar company
That guy is so delusional, he probably thinks people believe his schtick.
"Delusional"? Hear his outrage:
"That's just bad public policy…and perhaps illegal," he said.
/sarc
I can feel the outrage, shock and bewilderment in the news he had digested.
"That's really, really bad... terrible thing, really," he said.
What I find interesting is the language with which the NSA characterizes people who are critical of it: doing a disservice to the nation. I wonder what that translates to in legal speak.
@ Rory_Breaker, you hit the nail on the head. USA=NSA=GSA(Google Spy Agency).
Schmidt is a hypocritical fascist oligarch of the highest order. Hardcore democrat supporter, fund raiser, donor and Obama insider.
+1. He's setting new low standards all the time.
>> fascist oligarch of the highest order. Hardcore democrat supporter,
So one needs to be a Democrat to be a fascist oligarch? Thanks, that lets the other 50% off the hook and make the job of identifying the enemy so much easier. Sometimes the important things in life are so simple. Or maybe it's the people that are simple.
No where in my statement does it say one must be a Democrat in order to a fascist oligarch ..... you can be both at the same time though. Just like there are fascist oligarchs that call themselves Republicans.
did I hurt your registered democrat feelings or something ?
I believe the answer would be a loud YES.
Hey good morning guys. Hey RSloane, quick question for you..and sorry to go ot...do you trade individual equities, or just certain areas of the markets (FX etc...)?
The way it was phrased made you sound like a partisan tool. Now that you clarified yourself after being called out we see that you understand the two party scam. Nowhere in his reply did he indicate he was a registered anything. You both jumped to conclusions, made worse by all the minions following your lead and jumping on the guy's back.
So one needs to be a Democrat to be a fascist oligarch?
I really don't think you're quite getting this yet. Why do you think McCain and Graham hate Lee and Cruz so much?
Put it another way. Why do you think John McCain praised Hillary Clinton just recently?
I thought they we're on different sides....maybe not so much.
If there was a secret party you didn't know about....what would you call it?
"So one needs to be a Democrat to be a fascist oligarch?"
Nice spin. Done like a pro.
Remember when Google was "accidentally" hacking everyone's WIFI with their street-view trucks?
Fuck Schmidt. His phony outrage issimply trying to protect his brand google. This assclown plays golf with Obama, he's the ball cleaner
Yup, Obama is so far up that cocksmokers ass it's not even funny!
A clue for you:
There is a heuristic that says if someone mentions clowns of any form, then their comment is merely emotional and not worth reading.
Do something helpful like read up at eff.org or wkileaks.org
See https://ssd.eff.org/foreign/nsl and note how the recipient is under a gag order. Under those circumstances, it is very hard to protest.
This is laughable. Everyone knows GOOG is complicit with this agenda.
You can tell your children they will never know privacy. Http://goodnightdrone.com
hahaha, when thieves fall out...
"I'm scared I'll lose my world Google hegemony because of these NSA assholes. My goose is cooked outside good ole USA because of these statist control freaks. Why can't I have MY CAKE and eat it?"
Exactly. Pots and kettles going at it hammer and tongs.
@falak pema
Schmidt's just pissed that they didn't pay for it. Anyway, he knows that they are doing and he knows GOOG is only as successful as it is because of the implicit endorsement of .gov. Why else is he and the rest of Silican Valley so active in politics?
+1 Azzhatter. Schmidt totally adores Obama and Obamas agenda. He is completely a lapdog for the administration.
A lackey for sure!
Spying that his company assisted the goverment with. Shocked? lol!
trying to unring a bell
Barf!
Fuck you Schmidt. If you have something you don't want anyone to know maybe you shouldn't be doing it.
remember when google got kicked out of china? a little tid-bit that came out was that google was routing all data from china to data center in usa then routing it back to china because "they have to". I think it's now clear why and why china kicked them out.
Funny thing about clouds, you can't see through them, and they look a lot different from the inside than from the outside.
Nudge nudge. Wink wink. Know what I mean?
NSA*GOOGLE etc.:
Watch Your Data Traveling Through The Internet
http://homment.com/internet-nsa
Yeah only Google is allowed to track users, sniff wifi, and watch what people do.
He is just pissed they are not paying Google for the data and are in breach of contract. I mean seriously. Do you think Google and Facebook are actually all that profitable without their government checks?
Actually I believe that Google made somewhere around $50 billion in Advertising dollars?
Facebook I do believe wouldn't survive without their government checks.
I'm sure that Schmidt is soon launching a lawsuit against the NSA to show his outrage.
Perfect, Will, as always.
Use a HERF gun on the next Google spymobile you see WiFi-sniffing and taking StreetView pictures in your neighborhood.
The takeaway is that if you are not in the NSA, you are an enemy of the NSA.
Google is upset that after agreeing to have sex for the price of a happy meal. It woke up alone with no memory, hungry and it's butt hurt (which wasn't part of the happy meal deal).
What a LIAR! Too bad The Guardian reported back in August that Google was paid $millions!
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/nsa-prism-costs-tech-companies-paid
The NSA is like pancreas cancer. It just wont go away no matter how hard you fight it, eventually it spreads all over the body.
Dont expect ANYTHING to chance, except for the NSA to expand its surveillance program.
This must mean that soon Schmidt's finance records will show a check from the NSA.
Liars that try to say the right thing seem like they are lying to ya.
Makes sense. Spy on everyone because EVIL PEOPLE could be anywhere...
But mostly in Washington and Wall St.
Wait a...Ain't they the guys who use NSA's 'product'?
I don't know. I DO know that Google has offered the US money for some Boeing Airforce 1 type jets.
Google's money is real. Not sure about the U.S., Google might be fine without US Tax dollars. But then again, where do Adword's funds come from?
Yeah bullshit, Google, Yahoo! and Microsoft are all fully compliant with the NSA / U.S government spying programs.
The faster startmail is up and running and out of beta testing the better.
I know for a fact that Yahoo is. What's up with the lovey dovey press over a female CEO when others have driven their teams to relative success?
http://g2merchandising.com/
Would this be why I'm being sent to Ask.com when I set my homepage to Google.com?
I'm a little annoyed about this.
"Training" societies in tolerating interceptions
http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2013/11/training-societies-in-tolerat...
I wonder if Schmidt is ticked that the NSA won't pay him for stock tips. I would be.
Google helped them spy on us, and now he is outraged they spied on his company?!! That is freakin' rich!
Pot meet Kettle
This tard didn't even know what Bitcoin was till Obama asked him about it.
He knows as much about the tech world as my cat.
Or he was just pleading ignorance. Even my IB prof knew what it was.
Are you being spied on?
YES.
Larry is just stating the obvious. I think it's hysterical that the MSM is even making a big deal out of it.
From what I just experienced, I do not think that it's about security as it is a few bureaucrats buying off government/"security" to protect them from competition.
As a taxpayer, I'm ticked that we're borrowing funds from foreign countries to pull this off with.
Anywho, my latest character was a credit card processing employee. Yes the economy is so crappy that level 3 CFAs were trapped there (without management influence suprisingly). And it was interesting that this company had close ties to a major tech corporation with a 5 letter name that starts with the letter "A" and they plagerized a fruit for their brand.
Their management and recruiting style appears to come right out of the political actor agency. I'll get to this in a second.
First off, for a financial instiution that can hold merchant funds- they don't have their employees sit in front of any presentation to learn about money laws, money laundering laws, FDA regulations, banking laws... like the p*$$ants at the banks have to.
So if you are a merchant using their services and you have a "non-American" name, and this G2 web search thingy thinks you're suscpicious for ANY reason - a what I'm assuming to be an Aryan resembling Bristol Palin's evil twin (if that girl wasn't evil enough) with creepy tats on the risk team (the lead for this team shares the same last name with her- think of how she got the job and her job security)... she looks at these accounts and flags them for review because of the two words, "I" and "think". As in "I think this guy is wierd" or "I think this guy is laundering money". Nobody knows where she got her money laundering expertise from. She couldn't point out a resource for information. Not a website, book, reference sheet provided by the firm (I don't think this firm provided one).
She put the merchant's funds ON HOLD. Meaning, she held this guy's money with the credit card purchasing team so he couldn't get it. His customers (IF they found out) had to go to their bank and get a chargeback.
So this doofus was given the authority and power to ruin this guy's life because "she 'thinks'".
Because SHE "thinks" (without relevant training or knowledge of Visa money requirements, money laundering laws, banking regulations) - "I think this guy is wierd".
I'm being serious.
If this does not represent PROFILING, then profiling does not exist.
She tried to hold a guy's funds for "laundering" because--- he was Asian! She "thinks" that "all asians with money are gangstas".
HER WORDS. Nevermind that the customer only spent that much on a credit card in the first place because the merchant (who was not asian) required that security deposit on a car rental. So this Asian held it on a corporate credit card which was based out of and located in the US with AMerican funds.
According to her, he was "laundering money".
But this corporate credit card was from a major competitor of the fruit plagerizing major corporation that was in bed with this credit card processing company.
And the lawsuits haven't hit them fast enough because they did withhold funds from merchants based on SUBJECTIVE BIASED decisions based on politics.
These decisions don't uphold good reputation or the law. But it upholds political and subjective bias.
So I'm wondering if the law is even legit right now, I'm not sold after what happened to the CFTC and Judge Levine.
This is the service used to track "suscpicious" activity.
http://g2merchandising.com/
But anyways, about the political actors. The one genius looked and carried her life like a Bristol Palin clone. Another team lead and other prominent team members were big reps to the LBGT community- which ticked me off because I thought they preached inclusiveness and diversity. But ONLY if you buy tech from a certain company with the logo of a specific fruit that Eve ate after it fell from a tree. The others looked like the underrepresented affirmative action crew, breast cancer awareness shills claiming that they were on chemo for something that wasn't cancerous, etc.. Education or brains were not necessary to make decisions on whether you were or were not going to ruin someone's livlihoods in this economy based on their OPINIONS, prejudices, stereotypes, etc.
The butch manager at least admitted that she did this. At least she was honest about her motivations.
Another manager told me that this company was sued for what their merchants did (instead of the merchants) which I didn't believe when her team wasn't even required to read the law before they enforced them, subjectively if she was afraid of being sued.
But anyways, I don't know why a credit card purchasing company even has the power to enforce laws or regulations. (so why would they be "sued" in the first place on that basis? They should've been sued badly already for robbing their merchants).
This has everything to do with money, profits, controlling people, cutting your competition. And they are allowed to just take someone else's money!
There is no law in the U.S. I don't believe that the NSA is there to vet for our safety (as evidenced on how they allowed 9/11 attacks to happen among other things).
Don't just take them at face value. Look at WHY they're telling you these things.
As far as I'm concern-from what I know about the US government; Google could probably spy better than the US government can.
Google's real PE ratio is over 100, not in the 30's if you're using traditional methods of calculating it from their quarterly financials.
Still. If Google did a stock split, they could actually have more power and less liabilities than the US government.
If I were the government, I'd be afraid of Google.
If Putin has the goods on Schmidthead expect another Snowden release embarrassing him in 3,2,1......
The real lesson here is assume the NSA did go behind Schmidthead's back even though they give them pretty much whatever they want in return for money and political access. You can't do business with people who violate contract law. Contracts require a certain degree of trust (that the counterparties will at least not violate the terms of the contract) and are ultimately only as good as the counterparties. It is not the institutions or even the technologies that are the problem it is the fucking people and how use them that are. Fire illuminates the dark but can also burn you to death. It is all in how it is used, fire itself is neither good or evil it is just fire.
Sergey fell for a honey trap plot like Arlin did. I wonder what they did to make gubbermint mad that they had to plagerize Hollywood plots to get them to surrender from "bad publicity".
I wonder what Putin has on Google. Or maybe not.
These NSA revelations aren't producing any ripples I can see - Eric Schmidt, summer 2013
Eric, always such a natural visionary .. no wonder he ended up babysitting a GSE for his shopping money... http://youtu.be/0SLifea3NHQ
I wonder what was stored on/transferred between the networks of clouds that has him, and his associates so juiced up now...
And here we thought that Schmidt's 15 million super secure NY penthouse was for cavorting with high priced whores. Turns out its a whore who owns the joint.
Dup.
I guess Eric was too busy with his deviant sex antics in his NYC penthouses to know that NSA was funneling all his data and his customers too.
When the truth comes out it will only hurt US Business of technology. Each company has made major strategic decisions in the last 5-10 years that we ONLY Driven by NSA.
That alone has pushed the Chinese firms into the mainstream.
US firms are leaving the growth sections of the world on the table because of their complicity with the NSA
And that is the opening for people looking for yield and capital to invest. Just build it outside the USA with ethically inclined individuals. No trust issues should be able to penetrate into the market. There are plenty of individuals with the skills and ethics sitting on the sidelines waisting away because they are ethical in the first place and the current evironment guarantees they won't find jobs without sacrificing ethics.
No risk no reward but at the same time there is an opening here to do it the right way and a client base that is receptive to it that didn't really exist recently.
The seamless melding of a new trinity of government, NSA, and Google into one lovable god. Schmidt lies for your good. Obama lies for your good. NSA lies for your good. All three love and protect you. When they know all about you, their care for you increases. What is evil? What is truth? Ask Google.
Meanwhile behind the scenes...Google is the payer in the government data complex
I think it is safe to assume Schmidt knew the NSA was raiding goog's data centers, ongoing data extractions of that magnitude have got to be had to hide or cover up. so now it's all about damage control, but notice how quickly talk of large scale encryption of data by these companies died (though firefox is offering lightbeam which purports to expose third party intruders) so lots of noise as expected but not much, if anything will change, also as expected.
personally it bothers me that there are not more repercussions in light of everything that has come out recently, but I can't say I'm surprised by it. I don't really care if DC knows that I despise pretty much everything the parasites that inhabit our nations capitol have come to stand for, I don't care if they know that, in my personal opinion, Washington is the largest, most grotesque, three thing, control freak, psychotic, thieving, satanic, anti- humanistic, divisive and destructive circus the world has ever seen. ever. I don't care if they know that I think 9/11 was an inside job and the official story is complete fabricated bullshit, or that I doubt that they actually killed Osama Bin Laden in 2010. or that I believe that our politicians are puppets dancing to the tune of there Builderberg, bankster NWO masters who are intentionally destroying our economic freedom because once that is gone, what little we have left of the rest will follow.
I wear my tin foil hat with pride for all to see.
these are my personal opinions and observations and I don't pretend to claim them as gospel truth, this is just what I believe and I don't feel the need to keep that hidden, especially from those who are destroying what once was the single greatest experiment in liberty, self determination, free will and individuality the world had ever known.
what does bother me is that none of my personal data, bank account numbers, purchasing history, phone calls, e-mails, texts, snail mail, everything, none of it, is off limits to big brother now. things that a central goverment should never be allowed to know about private citizens without a warrant specifying the premises to be searched or the persons and property to be seized are now readily accessible 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.
and what's it all for? to make us safer? unlikely.
and google had a hand in making it all possible.
Don't be evil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil
False outrage given that they have received government cash.
It seems improbable that google would not own the pipe between their data centers.
It is improbable that Google would lay its own fiber. I'm sure it would be a leased link.
This POS said you shoulnd't expect any of your information to be private. Eff him.
This cocksucker was holding obama's hand while he was doing it.
Shit rolls down hill and with stuff like this involving gubbermint agencies and 'national security' The very top has to be at least read in on the programs. Schmidthead is at the very top of the hill here he has no plausible denability to fall back on only the sword to save the company as the revelations keep coming.
Well well!
Maybe Rand corp and the Pentagon have run the simulations showing that if push come to shove it will end badly for the .01%.
Guess he's just trying to lower his chances of meeting with a rope.
Schmidt is a hyprocrite.
The only way the NSA get access to Google's network is with their tacit permission.
"outrageous"? Where does he live?
As simple as "Untold History of the United States of America" from Oliver Stone. No way you can pretend you "didn't know".
So here we are, dealing with some ELE events, thanks to this sociopaths who may believe they and their children are inmune to radiation (Among other "gifts" from those controlling the US).
http://www.sho.com/sho/oliver-stones-untold-history-of-the-united-states/season/1#/index
He's not shocked becasue he had to have been in on it
Just wait until it is revealed that the NSA is spying on Bernanke and the FED. Then the shit will fly.
He's a Tory, a fucking Loyalist to the Crown. Stop using his products with their CIA underpinnings. Why do you think they can offer email, web browsers, phones, tablets, and now laptops so cheap to the masses? They are all being subsidized so your every move will be transmitted directly into the central nervous system of the CIA/FBI/NSA, etc.
So, just to recap: "privacy is dead", but "you don't have to violate" it... because necrophilia is evil, man...
Translation: leave it to us... because only private sector investment can really harness its full untaped market potential, and maximize its gains exponentially with a minimum impact on the tax dollar, as the mantra goes...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_evil
Don't be evil......