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Ron Paul Reveals What Was Not Said About Iraq
Submitted by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute,
October was Iraq’s deadliest month since April, 2008. In those five and a half years, not only has there been no improvement in Iraq’s security situation, but things have gotten much worse. More than 1,000 people were killed in Iraq last month, the vast majority of them civilians. Another 1,600 were wounded, as car bombs, shootings, and other attacks continue to maim and murder.
As post-“liberation” Iraq spirals steadily downward, Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki was in Washington last week to plead for more assistance from the United States to help restore order to a society demolished by the 2003 US invasion. Al-Qaeda has made significant recent gains, Maliki told President Obama at their meeting last Friday, and Iraq needs more US military aid to combat its growing influence.
Obama pledged to work together with Iraq to address al-Qaeda’s growing presence, but what was not said was that before the US attack there was no al-Qaeda in Iraq. The appearance of al-Qaeda in Iraq coincided with the US attack. They claimed we had to fight terror in Iraq, but the US invasion resulted in the creation of terrorist networks where before there were none. What a disaster.
Maliki also told President Obama last week that the war in next-door Syria was spilling over into Iraq, with the anti-Assad fighters setting off bombs and destabilizing the country. Already more than 5,000 people have been killed throughout Iraq this year, and cross-border attacks from Syrian rebels into Iraq are increasing those numbers. Again, what was not said was that the US government had supported these anti-Assad fighters both in secret and in the open for the past two years.
Earlier in the week a group of Senators – all of whom had supported the 2003 US invasion of Iraq – sent a strongly-worded letter to Obama complaining that Maliki was far too close to the Iranian government next door. What was not said was that this new closeness between the Iraqi and Iranian governments developed under the US-installed government after the US invasion of Iraq.
Surely there is plenty of blame that can be placed on Maliki and the various no-doubt corrupt politicians running Iraq these days. But how was it they came to power? Were we not promised by those promoting the war that it would create a beach-head of democracy in the Middle East and a pro-American government?
According to former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill, in early 2001 as the new Bush administration was discussing an attack on Iraq, then-Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said, “Imagine what the region would look like without Saddam and with a regime that’s allied with US interests. It would change everything in the region and beyond it. It would demonstrate what US policy is all about.”
We see all these years later now how ridiculous this idea was.
I have long advocated the idea that since we just marched in, we should just march out. That goes for US troops and also for US efforts to remake Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, and everywhere the neocon wars of “liberation” have produced nothing but chaos, destruction, and more US enemies overseas. We can best improve the situation by just leaving them alone.
The interventionists have unfortunately neither learned their lesson from the Iraq debacle nor have they changed their tune. They are still agitating for regime change in Syria, even as they blame the Iraqi government for the destabilization that spills over. They are still agitating for a US attack on Iran, with Members of Congress introducing legislation recently that would actually authorize US force against Iran.
It looks like a very slow learning curve for our bipartisan leaders in Washington. It’s time for a change.
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It looks like a very slow learning curve for our bipartisan leaders in Washington. It’s time for a change.
Ahahah lol if only I had a dollar everytime I heard or read this horse shit. THERE WILL BE a change and like obama it will be for the worse.
What was ALSO not said is that muzzies only respond well to DICTATORS...
As in they require a "boot on their neck" in order to maintain control over the little bastards...
Sorta like children they are...
Dick Cheney, is that you? btw, look around the US, hardly a paradise. And the dictators in the ME, zionist policy put them in place, and created radical islam as tool to divide and destroy nations. when the blow back comes against the U.S. and Israel, there will be hell to pay, literally. Chaos and death, the lifeblood of zionism. reap what you sow, soon enough.
Al-C.I.A.-da
'nuf said.
There went 3 trillion in cash down the drain
Yea, funny how Al-cia-da shows up in 2003... the same time they were being delivered their freedom.
Coincidence, I am sure...
I think Ron Paul rejects war more than any other politician I've heard.
Ron Paul discusses the Mises view on war:
http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/10/the-mises-view-rejecting-war-ron-p...
Gordon Gekko: It's a zero sum game, somebody wins, somebody loses. Money itself isn't lost or made, it's simply transferred ...
with another 3 trillion to go
Not a slow learning curve, but the fast track to a decent, tax free payday.
FORWARD SOVIET!
"...the war in next-door Syria was spilling over into Iraq..."
Mission accomplished.
MeMadMax
They are human beings, you shithead. The have hearts and minds. They did nothing to deserve this destruction. They would be better off without us. Iran would have liked a free and fair election when the empowered Mossadegh - who was overthrown by the CIA and replaced with a dictator.
You're a racist. These people deserve the pursuit of happiness as do I.
Racist?! go to huffpo if you can't have a rational discussion.
jwoop
Wrong. My discourse is rational. The guy said "muzzies" need a boot on their necks and that they are like children who need to be ruled.
That's not only wrong it's shockingly uninformed.
What's with huffpo? Why would I go there? You can if you like.
We'll see how tough your rhetoric is when the bodybags hit 10 million+.
I hope people realize that historians will likely describe America's military campaigns after 9/11 as genocide. Some humanitarian agencies already have death toll at over a million, and almost all of them Muslim.
Do you base this observation on Muslims you know or did you get this from Glenn Beck?
USA exports worthless fiat currency, bad, TV, obesity, and terrorists... no wonder they hate us for our freedom.
I really hate it when I start to sound like I am trying to be everyone's friend.
USA exports worthless fiat currency. This is true in that all currency only has a perceived value.
bad, TV This too is probably true, but since the dawn of TV, everyone knows that TV will rot your brain.
obesity This is not true. Obesity primarily comes from eating too much sugar. Sugar+insulin = fat
and terrorists... I am sure the US does not export them. They are pretty easy to come by as needed.
no wonder they hate us for our freedom. I am thinking they hate the US because the US has guns and spies everywhere, and with that, the US pretty much bosses everyone else around.
The fish is observant. Cursing fish cafepress
Towel heads been killing each other for centuries. Not our problem. Never was. Nobody in America even notices, let alone cares.
>>not our problem
really? your tax dollars and blood made it happen. granted you were played to do Israel's dirty work... but still... not your problem? not very smart, most americans that is... now when the U.S. economy collapses and the drones and marshall law come to your town, you will wish you noticed and cared a long time ago.
Now, now, let's get real. Going into Iraq was a moronic policy but nothing has changed. Look back to the 70's, 80's, and 90's. 50 bombing attacks a week was the norm in Iraq. The Mahdi army, Bader group were all there and in action full time. Then it was the shite's carrying out the attacks because the Sunni's were in charge. Now it's reversed. Nobody here gave a sh*t back then, page 15 news if it made the paper at all. The only reason it causes a mild interest today is we lost 4000 good young men and women there and pissed away a couple of trillion $.
"Look back to the 70's, 80's, and 90's. 50 bombing attacks a week was the norm in Iraq (etc)"
Utter rubbish. You don't know anything about Iraq. The US stupidity began after the Iranian revolution, when Rumsfelt thought that Saddam as an ally was a good idea. Then, from stupidity to perfidy (luring Saddam into Kuwait) to genocidal blockade and warfare.
Then, for good measure, the dismantling of all State institutions under US occupation.
Only those with an interest to destroy Iraq as a country have reason to regard all the above as a success story, well worth your 4000 good young men and women and your couple trillion $s.
Luring Saddam into Kuwait?
Now that's funny.
"Hey Big Fella, check out the oil valves on that bitch."
double post
Look back to the 70's, 80's, and 90's. 50 bombing attacks a week was the norm in Iraq. The Mahdi army, Bader group were all there and in action full time
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Ah, time and 'americans'
Just like the population of Eastern Island fully disappeared before 1776, July, 4th, the mahdi army, a group created in the early 2000s, was already operational in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s...
Not only 'americans' can overcome the environment, but they can also flex time the way they want.
'Americans', just imagine the world without their presence, without them even coming to existence.
So many things would be missing...
One could already hear the lamentations of the criminal elements of every human society, moaning that the best thing that ever happened to humanity, 'americanism', indeed did not happen.
Ah, more blobbing-up of the insanitational means of the Chinese Citizenism citizen. Made me laugh with directed upping vigor in the humor place to the very much and then some more.
Although in actual fact, and not in the retardational realm of duplicitous Chinese Citizenism, the population of Easter Island never fully disappeared, but their society DID collapse into chaos and cannibalism long before 1776, as acknowledged by every archeologist and historian aside from AnAnnoyingMoose, with the date of that collapse being estimated most usually somewhere in the early to middle 17th century. So much for the influence of ananonymystical "US 'american' citizenism" on Easter Island.
Make me laugh.
I have to say that I was convinced that once we left, events in Iraq would not warrant more than a 30 second blurb in the news.
Wishful thinking. I know I'd be much happier if Iraq was still a page 15 blurb.
Now they want more money. I say no, but they'll do it without my consent. What the hell, at this point the money is nearly worthless. Maybe a couple trillion more will collapse the government.
I was gonna do a whole SOFA, take back the billion dollar bases we built, control the region thing, but, meh... it would better to find a way just to get the whole region back to a page 15 blurb.
we make it our problem when we prop up dicatators, sell everyone arms, overthrow or assassinate democratically elected leaders, start wars, give criminal leaders billions in annual aid, and allow israel to purge the gaza strip of its natural inhabitants. you're right on one thing, nobody notices or cares.
And we wonder why people hate us...
Were so very smug in our ignorance and disregard for human life around the world.
About hate:
I wonder why everyone has forgotten how much hate France got for NOT wanting to participate in the 2003 Irak war.
The whole dumbass "french fries" , the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” things and all ...
You're 100% right. But, more importantly, it's Monday night and are you ready for some FOOTBALLLLLLLL !!!! \s
What a stupid statement -let's see-white anglo Christians killed about 50 million of their own in two world wars last century - and white europoeans killed a couple hundred million brown and yellow skinned through racist colonial conquest and slavery (King Leoplold of Belgium alone killed 8 million Congolese) --and you want to insult "towellheads" as being warlike? Learn history pal.
What a stupid statement -let's see-white anglo Christians killed about 50 million of their own in two world wars last century - and white europoeans killed a couple hundred million brown and yellow skinned through racist colonial conquest and slavery (King Leoplold of Belgium alone killed 8 million Congolese) --and you want to insult "towellheads" as being warlike? Learn history pal.
What a stupid statement -let's see-white anglo Christians killed about 50 million of their own in two world wars last century - and white europoeans killed a couple hundred million brown and yellow skinned through racist colonial conquest and slavery (King Leoplold of Belgium alone killed 8 million Congolese) --and you want to insult "towellheads" as being warlike? Learn history pal.
Almost all americans do not notice or care about the financial raping they're taking up the ass every month. Well, I guess that's no one else's problem and never was. So, why should they care.
What a moron!!
The Ugly American.
Gotta love the US.
Start a war and BYO enemies. Damn thoughtful really.
They even arm and train them.
Shades of F troop
I remember the Colon Powell sales pitch for the Iraq war and afterwards thinking "what's the big deal?" Apparently, the herd was way more frightened than I, so with a wave of a flag we were off to start a stupid-assed war to make defense contractors and bankers richer. Mission accomplished.
He also said, if we break it, we own it...
Is he talking about the "Good" al-Qaeda heart eaters in Syria, the "Bad" al-Qaeda butt raping murderers in Libya, the "Bad" al-Qaeda contract pilots of 9/11 fame....the "Bad" Kenyan al-Qaeda mall redecorators.....
Can we just say the CIA for the sake of accuracy and brevity?
Saddam was holding these guys at bay, preventing the fighting. They knew that.
We were flying sorties into Iraq that would have blown your mind. Over 1000 a day at the peak bombing the shit out of Baghdad and S. Iraq fixed defenses. When we'd get back to the carrier we'd have our debriefs and everyone would wonder how in the fuck are they going to control what comes out of this.
Here's your answer.
Over.
Under Saddam, Iraq had free healthcare.
no such thing as "free healthcare" dipshit.
I work with Iraqis who lived in Iraq under Saddam. They hated him. Even so, they say it was a wonderful place to grow up. Saddam imagined himself the reincarnation of Nebucadnezzar (or so they tell me). He was a megalomaniac but unlike some he actually tried to improve his country. His governement paid for healthcare and education from oil revenues. He did tremendous public works. As long as you had no political aspirations you got a long fine. He liked Christians and Jews because they had no plans to run the government. He hated and peresecuted Islamists because they had political aspirations. His goal was to reunite the entire Arab world into one big country. Kuwait was his first step. The US and Israel didn't want this to happen and so, well, we all know the rest of the story. As a result my coworkers and most of their families fled the country and are now in the US but still have some relatives in Iraq. Would they rather have Saddam back than what they have now? Absolutely.
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wherever that might be.
".. in a haunted land the dead do not exist among the living,
the living exist among the dead."
"Wounds of Waziristan"
Hmmm.
"Donald Rumsfeld said, “Imagine what the region would look like without Saddam and with a regime that’s allied with US interests. It would change everything in the region and beyond it. It would demonstrate what US policy is all about.”
We see all these years later now how ridiculous this idea was.
Does Dr. Paul assume that the 'idea' was to bring peace and stability to the region?
Exactly. And it's working well. Whatever Rummy said you could take as doublespeak. Just invert the theme of his message and you could pretty much bet on it.
And the "infrastructure" that was put in after we destroyed everything was basically Verison cell towers monitored by a company in israel and fiber so Google/NSA could monitor the national collective thoughts.
CoolPic btw.
Over.
And how long will be be occupying that enormously expensive base we built over there? Till the cows come home? Will our grandkids grandkids be wondering why were still in Germany after they bombed Pearl Harbor?
"Unknown unknowns" Donald Rumsfeld - U.S. Fuckernment
Ron Paul 2012
Are we talking about this D. Rumsfeld? I'm confused.
http://odinsblog.tumblr.com/post/60364297408/war-criminals-bffs-donald-r...
Rumsfeld and Bush couldn't have known their successor would abandon Iraq entirely to Iran, and even looking back at the Vietnam era they couldn't have fathomed the level of obstruction put up by the media and opposition politicians against the policies needed to make it stick. But then, to paraphrase St. Rumsfeld, you go to war with the Democrat party you have, not the one oyu might ideally like to have. Nixon's bold and relatively low cost victory secured in Vietnam was likewise scuttled by Democrats in Congress, with their refusal to support South Vietnam after we had spent so much blood and treasure living up to our treaty with them. The North THEN walked over the South, well after we had secured victory and exited. Today we see the same thing happening in Iraq. Iran is having their way with the place, putting together a solid iranian controlled sphere of influence spanning lebanon, which they started ruining back in the 80's, through Syria, which has thousands of Hezbollah and other iranian controlled or financed forces fighting in the civil war, and now Iraq: Biden was sent to negotiate the status of forces agreement with Iraq that would maintain a large US base in Iraq. Obama gave the job to Biden. That tells you what you need to know about Obama's intentions. He turned Iraq over to the mullahs.
Are you serious or did you just forget the /sarc tag? Do you really believe that if we just stayed in Iraq long enough everything would be OK, that we could fix it up to be like Atlanta?
Wow. You're fuckin' retarded.
Did we get the oil?
We are getting a T.V. mini series instead......
That is beyond sad. If there is a hell I know where to find Bush, Cheney, and that traitor Powell.
Don't forget the **66th United States Secretary of State**.
A real dirty worker.
"If you have any doubt about the degree with which this is self-defense, just look at those pictures from September 11th."
--Interview by Wolf Blitzer on CNN, September 24, 2001
"This is your baby. Go do it."
--Regarding directives to the CIA on which torture techniques should be used. Summer 2002
"Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It’s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York."
--CBS News, November 28, 2003
"You see, this war came to us, not the other way around."
--Remarks at the U.S. embassy in Baghdad, Iraq, May 15, 2005
Condi baby.
Over.
One disgusting read:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Condoleezza_Rice
You're WRONG!!! Powell had drawings.
I used to try to explain how the dearth of emotional intelligence is destroying us from the inside out.
Now I will simply say that the dichotomy that is Ron Paul's view vs what's happening out there is a formula for certain destruction of nearly everything that this place was designed to be.
And in this situation, what will continue to happen is Control, until it can no longer be so simple.
If you'd like a real eye-opener, read "A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order," by Engdahl.
It's the decoder ring. You can understand exactly what the bad guys have been up to for the last 100 years in the middle east.
When the whole region is in flames and fuel is $20/gal the Red VS Blue team will still be pointing fingers at each other.
You'll know they would probably be in the streets chanting bring back Saddam if it wern't for the US killing him.
Here is another country ready to go tits up....
http://newobserveronline.com/hard-times-ahead-big-rise-in-support-for-vicious-anti-white-party-in-south-africa/
South Africa is getting ready to fall...
No reconcillation without justice first.
Because of our country's unending belief in intervention in EVERYTHING, we find ourselves unable to extract ourselves from anything. Every thought, any attempt to pull back is loaded with potentials of great disaster, so the only answer is to continue on, digging in deeper in foreign debacles, going further in debt because the alternatives are just too severe to contemplate. QE and war until the end of time.
It's for the children. Kids like war you know. QE too........
If you've seen the new Call of Duty commercials, war is being sold to the youth as fun. These commercials couldn't be any more irresponsible if they were stabbing babies and raping woman. There really isn't a level Madison Ave. won't stoop to sell a product.
QE and War is very profitable for select few than can pull the strings to make it happen. They're left untouched.
Intervention in EVERYTHING is done with intention....to profit. And, profit only. The longer it takes, the more profitable. Human lives??? Pffffft.
It's al-CIAda, and Operation Northwoods which was postponed by Jack Kennedy who rejected that plot, and spared many American deaths at home and abroad.
Keep well, Dr. Paul.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
If you mention Op northwoods to people, they'd think it was a state park.
Which is now OPEN, thanks to the heroes in Congress. Bless them. Oops, you said state park.
Give me Liberty or give me.......wait, what are those little yellow cake thingies called, you know, the ones with that creamy filling?? Now where was I.....
Well since AlQaeda is totaly controled by the CIA, let's think about this differently:
The Maliki governement is getting closer ties with Iran, so the CIA brings in the AlQaeda guys to destabilise the Iraqi governement in hope to overthrow him before they can finaly attack Iran.
i see a pattern here. anyone generalizing about any ethnic, religious or racial can say what they want but the jews are strictly off limits unless it is adoration or attached to israel.
Yes, anti-Israeli feeling is off-limits. Those who betray this country by helping Israeli spies are protected at the highest levels:
http://www.salon.com/2009/04/20/harman/
Those same protectors, of course, are also sucking the dicks of the Saudis. KSA-Israel, the new axis of evil. Coming via chemical weapons attack to a town near you. It's for the children.
I know this isn't popular in these here parts but Secretary of State Kerry after saving our bacon in Afghanistan is now doing it again in Saudi Arabia. if we're leaving the Middle East "by and large" I'm glad actually. We never really "will" per se but creating a sustainable and civilized level of dialogue is no mean feat. Hopefully this can be continued vis a vis East Asia as well. This diplomacy matches well with the force structure the US currently "has" (I.e. barely afford) so I hope the State Department continues to do its really amazing work. DoD is way overpaying...or just plain old being price gouged...for so many things so it should be interesting to see if they can get people to "Cry Uncle" going forward. it's not like Wall Street is hurting. oh and "shout out to the Taliban" btw. I'm no supporter obviously but I do respect your war plan. We have no middle class in the USA anymore thanks to you and 12 guys apparently.
Sorry Vet, not really getting your point, but you can try to reword it if you like. I don't downvote people for stating contrary opinions. I'm a truth seeker. Sorry. Yeah... pathetic, I know. Don't remind me. If there's some logic to your opinion I'll weigh it on its merits.
Regarding the rest of us... I think the rough concensus around here is that the entire whole fucking system is as broke-dick as a system can ever be; that quite nearly every single person in a position of power is a lying scheming scumbag traitorous piece-of-shit; some small entrepreneur somewhere is going to make a fortune when he rolls out his portable 21st century upgrade to the guillotine and one of these days the momentum is going to swing toward hideous, rapacious, out-of-control... stunning levels of violence against the ruling elite. Picture 1000 Syrias all across the country.
As to the Trashganistans of the world... we're beyond caring. We only see Detroits sprouting up like fucking venereal shrooms on steroids... so our priorities at the moment are a bit closer to home.
That's the concensus in these parts.
Thank you, Ron. Neither the Bush master planners, nor the Obama master planners succeeded. They were going bring Constitutional law, civil rights, and free elections without government manipulations, while at the same time removing those same things in America. Both Bush and Obama are demagogues full of sound and promised utopias and delivering a Hell. Neocon, Neoprogressive, or NeoMuslim (Obama)all want war to destroy "their" enemies and bring the fantasy of a Pax Bush or Pax Obama. God damn them both.
If the plan is to keep the region destabilized it is working well.
looks like the only job security going forward is working in a drone factory............
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED BITCHES!!
Post war Iraq makes sense when you realize Al-Malaki was never meant to succeed, none of them are. Destabilized ME = Controllable resources. Big oil, CIA & multinationals LOVE the Sunni vs. Shiite and Palestinian vs. Jews conflict. As long as that region is in a state of war, the MIC thugs can run the show. If the entire ME showed any unity at all, the petrodollar would implode.
hmmm... not blood spattered's first time at the rodeo either. vote up!
hmmm... not blood spattered's first time at the rodeo either. vote up!
Can you even imagine a U.S. Foreign policy that was non-interventionist, military as the last option, with the goal of peace instead of some multi-national corporation's interest? Even let's go whole hog and demand a tariff to sell goods made overseas, even take away the tax advantages of offshoring. What a concept!
The Rape Rooms. What about the Rape Fooms?
This instant, the real terrorists are clearly in Japan running Tepco with the full support of the Japanese gov.
i didnt hear that congress is trying to auth obama to invade Iran. Seems the neocons want to sabotage any peace.
America has to stop supporting Islamic terrorists and invade Saudi Arabia who is not only supporting, but directing all the Islamic terrorists. We should be in Riyadh for lunch and have it for dinner. Then we should open up the oil fields hidden in the southern expanse of Eastern Saudi Arabia. That's the huge area of desert that when you look at it from space on a google map turns into a digital swirl as you increase the magnification. It is the only graphically hidden and obscured geographical photograph of the Earth that has been so purposely distorted. Check it out yourself. As you get into the lower hills to the west and south, the pixels get stretched as they have been spun. That's why the photo looks so 'generic', or featureless in nature... it's been forged, hidden, why? It's because their is an ocean of oil there, the best stuff, easy to refine. So cut the shit and hit the sand, we have a Revolution in America to win. www.electanewcongress.com Serfs Up America!
Is it coincidence that as soon as Obama started pumping guns into Mid East Fundamentalist military organizations Iraq started blowing up again? Obama is a noob. He will send the marines back in to fight himself.
another Obama win in the books!
Anyone for a round of golf?
Obama covering for Bush. AGAIN. What a fucking surprise. NOT.
The Bush regime lied and fabricated "evidence" that was used to deceive Congress, the American people, and the United Nations.
At the time that these absurd claims were being made, only experts knew that they were false.
Today everyone knows that the claims were lies.