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Submitted by Simon Black via Sovereign Man blog,

Just over 400-years ago today, a group of 13 conspirators were caught trying to assassinate King James I of England and blow up the House of Lords in what became known as the Gunpowder Treason.

If you’ve ever seen the movie V for Vendetta, you know the story. Guy Fawkes was found underneath the House of Lords with three dozen barrels of gunpowder… and to this day, his effigy is still burned annually in commemoration of the event.

Fundamentally, the Gunpowder Treason was about freedom. The English monarchy at the time was controlling nearly every aspect of the economy and their subjects’ lives– from what they could wear to how they could worship.

“Sumptuary laws” which regulated private behavior were commonplace. Elizabeth I, for example, re-introduced a beard tax on all facial hair grown in excess of two weeks.

She also published long lists, categorized by social class, dictating precisely what color and type of garment her subjects were required to wear.

It turns out these sumptuary laws were just an early form of state-sponsored corporate welfare; the English textile industry had paid Elizabeth huge sums of money in exchange for royal decrees about knitted caps and woolen socks.

As a consequence, a great deal of English labor and disposable income was misallocated towards silly garments instead of being put to more productive uses… and the country was in an almost perpetual state of stagnation.

Not to mention, English finances deteriorated under Elizabeth. By 1600, state expenditures were 23% greater than tax revenue, which would be the equivalent of a $550 billion budget deficit in the US today. Not exactly a trivial figure.

James I, Elizabeth’s successor, continued to spend extravagantly and indebt the English economy, often showering taxpayer funds on a handful of favored nobles.

By the time James’s successor Charles I came to power, the monarchy’s credit was running so thin that Charles had to force people to loan him money; those who refused were imprisoned and had their property confiscated.

Unsurprisingly, civil war broke out in 1642. Charles I was executed in 1649, and the genocidal dictatorship of Oliver Cromwell dominated England for the next decade.

When you think about it, this collapse was inevitable.

For decades prior, the entire English economy was under the control of a single individual who massively indebted the state, impeded growth, and reduced people’s individual freedoms. Not exactly a recipe for long-term success.

The Gunpowder Treason of November 5, 1605 may have been a failure for the conspirators, but given enough time, a system so screwed up, so unsustainable, was destined to collapse on itself.

We’re not so different in the west today.

We have our own sumptuary laws, regulating everything from tobacco consumption to what foods we can/cannot eat. We have our own state-sponsored corporate welfare. We’re comically indebted.

And just like the English monarchs, we have a tiny elite that controls absolutely everything about our economy– taxation, regulation, and the supply of money.

Needless to say, this is also unsustainable. And history shows that these types of unsustainable systems will always collapse under their own weight.

Is it wise to think that this time is any different?

 


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Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:48 | Link to Comment SpeakerFTD
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Charles didn't have the NSA.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:51 | Link to Comment davinci7_gis
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Nor the IRS!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:51 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Or the DHS!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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I'll see your DHS and raise you Rand,

Speaking of INEVITABLE - Rand Corp is telling its intellectual disciples in DC that the internet helps turn people into extremists and terrorists...

Radicalisation in the digital era - The use of the internet in 15 cases of terrorism and extremism

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR453.html

This paper presents the results from exploratory primary research into the role of the internet in the radicalisation of 15 terrorists and extremists in the UK. In recent years, policymakers, practitioners and the academic community have begun to examine how the internet influences the process of radicalisation: how a person comes to support terrorism and forms of extremism associated with terrorism.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:05 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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I'll see your Rand and raise you the HHS

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:09 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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Not the HHS... Obamacare can kill more people in a year than the drones could in a decade

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:10 | Link to Comment The Limerick King
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Here is the final solution

To Kleptocrat fiat pollution

Always remember

The 5th of November

It's time for a new revolution!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:27 | Link to Comment philipat
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"Please to remember the fifth of November

Gunpowder, treason and plot"

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:38 | Link to Comment The Limerick King
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I stand corrected...but now I can't fix it.  ;-)

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 22:53 | Link to Comment acetinker
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You, Sir, are much too humble.  It is no longer 1605.  You are relevant.  History is merely the assemblage of accumulated lies agreed upon at a particular time.  Stole that (paraphrased) from Hitler.  Ain't that some shit!?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:56 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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Long live the King!

Over.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:15 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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This sick twisted fuck is gonna kill all of us.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:32 | Link to Comment forwardho
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Sir, I fear the accuracy of your comment. This may come to be known as the the greatest horror ever unleashed upon mankind.

 

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:17 | Link to Comment Silver Bully
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'Not the HHS...'

NO ONE EXPECTS THE HHS INQUISITION!

 

Our chief weapon is surprise. Surprise and fear, our 2 weapons are fear and surprise . . .

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:40 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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I'll see both your RAND and HHS and raise you the SPLC.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:21 | Link to Comment forwardho
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Well I don't have enough first hand knowledge as to the inate intellegence of terrorists and extremists to make a judgement. However if a person is ignorant enough to use the internet to plan and organize as if it where completly secure. Then social darwinism dictates he's likley to get his ass picked up or droned. Comunications are compleatly compramised.  The lines of communication have been penetrated.  Really, who the hell would be dumb enough to use the internet?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:38 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The following five hypotheses identified in the literature were:
1. The internet creates more opportunities to become radicalised.
2. The internet acts as an ‘echo chamber’: a place where individuals find their ideas supported and echoed by other like-minded individuals
3. The internet accelerates the process of radicalisation.
4. The internet allows radicalisation to occur without physical contact.
5. The internet increases opportunities for self-radicalisation.

Findings
Evidence from the primary research conducted confirmed that the internet played a role in the radicalisation process of the violent extremists and terrorists whose cases we studied. The evidence enabled the research team to explore the extent to which the five main hypotheses that emerged from the literature in relation to the alleged role of the internet in radicalisation held in these case examinations. The summary findings are briefly presented here and discussed in greater detail in the full report that follows:

(Just what the NSA Fairy ordered)

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:42 | Link to Comment RSloane
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Are you kidding? John Kerry was ready to bomb Syria because of youtube! Anything is possible.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:59 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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LOL,

I laughed so hard I farted.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:27 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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Nor did he have a teleprompter.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:51 | Link to Comment Rainman
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and aircraft carriers

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:55 | Link to Comment Vampyroteuthis ...
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I believe these kinds of economic systems are known as crony-capitalism whether in a republic or monarchy.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment ATM
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They have nothing to do with Capitalism. It is purely Authoritarianism in one of it's many forms.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:03 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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> Charles didn't have the NSA.

Both Elizabeth I and Charles I had an equally effective spy network http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/tudors/spying_01.shtml Ostensibly for "self preservation" reasons (the risk of extremist Catholic assassination attempts), but the network was ideal for other purposes too. . . .

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:49 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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The last man to enter Parliament with honest intentions.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:19 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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Actually no.

The intention was to restore a Papal theocracy , not freedom. The King was the head

of the Church of England and would not kiss the Popes ring.

Didn't know Simon worked for the ministry of truth , or maybe he is Catholic.

No wonder we never learn from history,because we never learn it to start with..

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:21 | Link to Comment McMolotov
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It's just an old saying I think is funny. Like I've said in the past, Fawkes was a religious nut (to say the least), but he had one good idea.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:07 | Link to Comment odatruf
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Stopped clock, etc.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 04:22 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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"The intention was to restore a Papal theocracy , not freedom." +1 for remembering history, even though your statement is a bit propagandistic, isn't it?

How about "the intention was to have a Catholic King back on the throne?"

fact is that in England attendance to the Anglican Church was enforced, at that time. Criminalization of "popists" and others - including those who fled this religious regime by emigrating to America - through the Recusancy Acts was the real issue behind Guido Fawkes' plot

who was fighting for freedom there? Anglicans or the rest? The Bomb Plotters saw themselves as fighting oppression. I'd say those who really wanted freedom emigrated to the New World

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:50 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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....so James I was a sick twisted fuck too?

We have one just like him!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:54 | Link to Comment CH1
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so James I was a sick twisted fuck too?

Can we name many rulers who aren't?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:03 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Okay, then ours is a Really sick twisted fuck.

More than the basic sick twisted fuck.

Our Fuck is so twisted he does not need to look in a mirror to see if his shirt tail is in or out.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:11 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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And, I just found out our STF has fired yet another Military CO.

Long Live Stalin!

Forward,

National Socialism!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:26 | Link to Comment _SILENCER
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so James I was a sick twisted fuck too?

Can we name many rulers who aren't?

 

 

KIRK. JAMES T.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:58 | Link to Comment Induced Coma
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Must read: "The Traveler" by John Twelve Hawks

 

“If privacy had a gravestone it might read: 'Don't Worry. This Was for Your Own Good.” 
John Twelve Hawks

 

“You don´t need to watch everyone if everyone believes they're beeing watched. (...) Punishment isn't necessary, but the inevitability of punishment has to be programmed into the brain.” 
John Twelve Hawks

 

IC

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:51 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Should never have back doored the Irish, now known as the fighting Irish today. 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:52 | Link to Comment johnnylb
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Change may be inevitable, but it took 100 years.  Do you want to wait 100 years?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:09 | Link to Comment ATM
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Everything moves much faster today.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:53 | Link to Comment DOGGONE
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ANONYMOUS should show the people this hidden truth!
http://patrick.net/forum/?p=1230886

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:55 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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+1

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:56 | Link to Comment falak pema
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well about the same time that England rejected absolutism in the 17 th century France accepted it calling it the great century of Louis XIV. Funny how the same medicine produces different effects on two different nations of similar culture but with different mindsets.

Admittedly when Colbert died french finances went deep into debt and the revoultion arrived to France one century and a half after England. 

All nations have to find a balance between hubristic absolutism and fear of anarchy. Being top dog like the US has been without any rival for forty years does not help anything but feed hubris and corruption as under the Stuarts and Bourbons. 

Now its time for consequence. 

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:11 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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The higher they get, the harder they fall.

Will America graciously hand over the baton to the next Global leader and  retire from the front of the World Stage in a genteel fashion, or will we have the Mother of all conflicts, along the liines of "If we're going to go, so everyone else will be going with us!"

Time for a quick poll of ZH readers -

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:17 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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America will gracefully "retire" from the Global spotlight, (continuing to do "good deeds" on a reduced scale)

America will fight tooth and nail to retain Global hegemony, including initiation of major Global conflict (i.e. WW3 scenario)

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:55 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Okay, I only read the very first couple lines of the post as I must head for work right now. But, Before I run, I urge you to look into the gunpowder plot. It was NOT about freedom, it was an overt attempt to stage a catholic restoration in England. It was religious! Catholics were trying to take back England. The story is long and complicated. BUT it is nothing to do with freedom. SOmeone else, come on here and make the true story clear. I gotta go!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:18 | Link to Comment Relentless
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The basic theory behind the Gunpowder Plot was to was to blow up the King and Parliament while simultaneous staging a revolt in England and place a Catholic monarch back on the throne. Fawkes and the other conspirators were all Catholics, some of whom had been fighting in Holland on the side of the Spanish Catholics against the local Dutch Protestant revolutionaries. They sought Spanish support for overthrowing the English King but were refused and so went on to decide to kill the King themselves.

However...

There is also a theory that states that Fawkes and Co were dupes who were allowed to proceed with the plot although it was already known and that the discovery of the gunpowder just before the opening of Parliament was intended to cause public feeling to go against the Catholics and sustain the Protestant rule of the King. The plot was uncovereed by the Earl of Salisbury who was head of the King's spies and intelligence.

Sort of like the way the FBI/NSA uncovers Muslim plots...

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:08 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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You get an "A" in History and a gold star on your forehead.

Lets em know who did their homework.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:36 | Link to Comment medium giraffe
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Comparing the Earl of Sailsbury to the FBI/NSA is a useful analogy, but a strict comparison is difficult if you consider that 'Burn a Catholic' day occurs only once a year, whereas 'Drone a Muslim' day happens pretty much all year round.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:05 | Link to Comment RiseOfTheMachines
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This is a step too far.

The gunpowder plot and the English Civil War are all wrapped up in Religious conflict in the 17th century when sides and allegiances all got mixed up depending on the point in time. The gunpowder plot was one of serveral plots at the time to replace the king with a Catholic monarch. It's failure was so popular that effigies of Guy Fawks are burnt to this day on bonfire night. Catholics saw the king and even more so Parliament as their nemisis. Oddly enough James 1 was rolling back the Catholic discrimination at the time brought in by Elizabeath 1. Elizabeath 1 had no option as she was illegimate in eyes of Rome and therefore not the Queen of England. This is a very complex topic. Basically in the 17th century the English monarcy drifted from being protestant to being catholic as the century progressed. In the middle you get Charles I trying to roll back the power of Puritans in Parliament. This resulted in the civil war. At the end of the century you have James II who IS a catholic removed in a Pustch organized by Parliment with William of Orange brought in and Parliament. So depening on if you pick the beginning or end of the 17th century Guy Fawks would have been either for or against the King. Catholic, Protestant High and Low Churches in 17th Century England is a very interesting topic. 

People probably still celebrate Guy Fawks night because extreminism like blowing up the King and the House of Parliament is recognized as not a good idea.

This runs contrary to the Zerohedge narrative of small government and a fetish for V for Vendatta Guy Fawks masks. The best government is not Small or Big but Good Government. Ayn Rand is like some character out of a Peter Sellers movie. 

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:14 | Link to Comment Nobody
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You had me until the Ayn Rand comment.
Why bash her?
She only lifted the curtain to show the under belly of liberalism.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:55 | Link to Comment RiseOfTheMachines
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Yeah I guess that comment in tangential at best. I ranted because often ZH publishes articles that distort facts to suit the liberterian agenda. Guy Fawkes was not a liberterian, he was a religiously motivated extremist who wanted to blow up both the King and Paraliment. Regarding Ayn she gives me the heebie jeebies. Too theoretical for my liking. You cannot take these guys too seriously or you end up with Communism, Year Zero, WWII .... I think what we need is better government. A simple solution to this is to stop political donations that has corrupted the decision making. This includes groups from unions to the Koch brothers. Politicians should be allocated a fixed amount of money at the expense of the taxpayer. After serving government they should only be allowed to work in the government or education. Also pay them a lot more so they are not corrupted so easily. This would cost a lot less in the long run. Starving the beast is not a good idea. Modern effective world class governments are cohesive with all cylinders flying. Not one side fighting with the other over a zero sum game. I think a lot of people are being deceived by the wealthy in to thinking that small government is the answer where in fact small government will result in less regulation and allow the wealthy and powerful to do whatever they want. You will have stronger cartels in Health, Education, Housing. There is a political movement to raise Ayn Rand up as a deity a saviour. When she got old and sick she fell back on the support of the state. A society needs to be based on looking out for each other, not the pursuit of mammon.  Earlier in her life she was a writer of fiction so too was El Ron Hubbard. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 08:08 | Link to Comment StandardDeviant
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And here I was, as a relative newcomer, thinking that they were celebrating Guy Fawkes' Day because he tried.

Or, that the British just really like setting off explosives.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:16 | Link to Comment summer09
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"Best government is not small or big but good government"   Hmmm....well give us examples of big government that is"good" government. The problem is when government is big that means it is doing a lot, and it does it by force or threat of force.  Pay taxes to support this big government or else.  And everyone's definition of "good" will differ.  Many libs today think we have good government.  Massive redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the rich and to the poor; no taxes on almost half the population, Obamacare, social security, medicaid, etc.  Many neocons think we have good government in terms of huge military spending and intervention worldwide.  You seem to think big government can be "good" if only we can get it right. It can be good if only we can finally elect the right leaders who will get it all just right. Who will all adopt the "big" programs that work well, are efficient and add to economic prosperity.  Yet has this ever happened? You are the one being theoretical and abstract. 

You also mistake less regulation as favoring the entrenched/rich interests. Big mistake.  Large multi-nationals love regulation since they put up formidable barriers to entry to competitors and make small businesses spend capital they don't have on needless compliance.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:43 | Link to Comment The Abstraction...
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American's just want only to be told that they are exceptional and everyone else is a retard. You waste your breath on them.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:57 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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I guess a modern attempt would be a Plutonium Treason?   I prefer we just agree to go back to following the Constitution.   They maaaay sayyyy Ima Dreamer...But I'm not the only one.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:16 | Link to Comment 29.5 hours
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@ the original poster:

"genocidal dictatorship of Oliver Cromwell"

A load of shit, that. Regicide is not genocide. The revolution at the time of Cromwell was genuine and transformative. The only lack was of a guillotine.  There was class struggle but certainly no genocide.

Stop taking advantage of the stereotypical American ignorance of history.

 

 

 

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:24 | Link to Comment summer09
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This is what Wiki says (you should go in and fix it). Are the Irish-Catholics also ignorant of their own history?

 

Historians such as Mark Levene and John Morrill suggest, the Commonwealth conducted a deliberate programme of ethnic cleansing in Ireland.  Faced with the prospect of an Irish alliance with Charles II, Cromwell carried out a series of massacres to subdue the Irish. Then, once Cromwell had returned to England, the English Commissary, General Henry Ireton, adopted a deliberate policy of crop burning and starvation, which was responsible for the majority of an estimated 600,000 deaths out of a total Irish population of 1,400,000.

 

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:41 | Link to Comment 29.5 hours
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The Irish have good cause for complaint against the brutally effective campaign of Cromwell. They chose the wrong side in the English Civil War.

The war's aftermath then exacerbated starvation and plague. Historians (possible exceptions?) do not characterize what happened as a policy of genocide.

Note that the O.P. only mentioned England in his anti-Cromwell diatribe...

 

 

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:24 | Link to Comment RiseOfTheMachines
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The Irish got sold out by the Old English in Ireland who were pursuing their own interests. Maybe Marx was right. There is only the rich and everyone else.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:21 | Link to Comment Baldrick
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an interesting side note to that is they also took all of the gold, but the Irish economy kept going by using bronze coins. Thomas Paine writes about it in one of his early letters.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:23 | Link to Comment Relentless
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Learn your history. As a result of Cromwell's invasion of Catholic Ireland, an estimated 30-40% of the population were killed or died of stavation and disease as a result of the deliberate destruction of their farmlands.

 

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:42 | Link to Comment The Abstraction...
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As a result of Catholic wars of aggression, led from Spain and Ireland, Enland suffered centuries of horror...that still goes on today.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:25 | Link to Comment kito
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yeah! we know alot about history!

ben franklin discovered electricity

columbus discovered america

al gore discovered the internet!

 

you see!!! 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:02 | Link to Comment TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

ben franklin discovered electricity

He also built the Panama Canal. Upon the ascent of the Ming Dynasty in 1368, many thousands of Indo-European Han volunteers were sent to work for Ben Franklin on construction of the Panama Canal. The project was completed in 1491, one year before the Magellan-Elcano expedition sailed through it in 1492 and discovered Antarctica.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:19 | Link to Comment RiseOfTheMachines
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Cromwell was a lunatic. When he died power passed to his son Richard (just like a king). His body was subsequently dug up and posthumously hanged. Puritians were kicked out of politics in England and never allowed back in so they moved to places like New England ...... Basically it's no fun dressing up in Black going around the place being all too serious. Who likes someone like that.  Crowmell is remembered akin to Atilla the Hun in Ireland. In the 19th century he got a make over.

BTW if you are in Galway you can visit a pub called the Kings Head. The land was payment for the executioner of Charles I. Odd since the Irish were on the side of Charles the I. Oh never mind ...

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:38 | Link to Comment 29.5 hours
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"you can visit a pub called the Kings Head"

Thanks for that bit. Galway is not unknown, even in the far-off shores of America...

 

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:40 | Link to Comment The Abstraction...
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...power passed to his son Richard.

 

George, I dub ya Bush the Second.

 

Since when was the American Republic anything other than a monarchy in drag?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:00 | Link to Comment Yenbot
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England could go out and rob an Empire. The US can only go out and... er, where's that F'ing warp drive when you REALLY need it... no moon colony, no Mars colony... ok, wait for it: the Fourth Dimension (turn inward, and rob the Middle Class)...

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:06 | Link to Comment docmac324
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Remember remember, the 5th of November.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:40 | Link to Comment camaro68ss
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With gunpowder treason and plot

there is no reason why gunpowder treason should ever be forgot.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:46 | Link to Comment Oleander
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I see NO reason why gunpowder and treason should ever be forgot!

Taught the story to my son yesterday.  The history of the Catholics vs Protestants part included. He knows Columbus did not discover America and  the "Pilgrims" were robbing graves the minute they landed.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:25 | Link to Comment Baldrick
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the best place to celebrate is Lewes. Penny for the Guy?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:07 | Link to Comment forwardho
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Or Drones.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:11 | Link to Comment A Lunatic
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Today I decided to finally take action and stick it to the Man. I received my annual tax notice in the mail this morning and on the outside of the envelope it plainly reads 'open immediately', but I am going to wait until Friday to open it. See how they like that shit......

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:19 | Link to Comment Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Speaking of corruption.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=10323

One of the world's largest ATM manufacturers and, formerly, one of the largest manufacturers of electronic voting systems, has been indicted by federal prosecutors for bribery and falsification of documents.

The charges represent only the latest in a long series of criminal and/or unethical misconduct by Diebold, Inc. and their executives over the past decade.

According to Cleveland's Plain Dealer, a U.S. Attorney says the latest charges are in response to "a worldwide pattern of criminal conduct" by the company....

Federal prosecutors Tuesday filed charges against Diebold Inc., accusing the North Canton-based ATM and business machine manufacturer of bribing government officials and falsifying documents in China, Indonesia and Russia to obtain and retain contracts to provide ATMs to banks in those countries.

The two-count criminal information and deferred prosecution agreement calls for Diebold to pay nearly $50 million in penalties: $23 million to the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, and $25 million to the Department of Justice.

The agreement with federal prosecutors also calls for the implementation of rigorous internal controls that includes a compliance monitor for at least 18 months. The government agreed to defer criminal prosecution for three years, and drop the charges if Diebold abides by the terms of the agreement.

Despite at least $1.75 million in bribes said to have been paid the company around the globe, nobody will go to jail for what U.S. Attorney Steven Dettelbach describes as their "worldwide pattern of criminal conduct," because they are a corporation --- and you are not.

The $50 million the company has agreed to pay is a mere fraction of the firm's $3 billion in annual revenues. That, even though Diebold is a repeat offender --- which may be describing it mildly...

In 2010 the company settled an SEC fraud suit for $25 million. They also admitted in 2008 that they had overstated 2007 election division revenue by some 300% in hopes of manipulating stock prices.

As earlier as 2004, thanks to documents leaked by a whistleblower, it was discovered that Diebold had illegally used uncertified certified hardware and software in California election systems and planned to lie about it to state investigators. The e-voting systems, repeatedly found over the years to be easily hacked, were decertified for use by the state at the time (though they are still used widely around much of the country today.)

Still, nobody went to prison for any of Diebold's crimes.

Their most notorious infamy was tied to their often bumbling work as the nation's second largest e-voting company, which produced wildly insecure and often inaccurate voting systems and tabulators and which they proved willing to lie about. The Ohio-based firm first attracted the notice, and ire, of Democrats in 2003 when its then CEO, Walden O'Dell, penned a fundraising letter on behalf of George W. Bush and the Republican Party, promising that he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year."

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The bolded parts are the fucking problem in this country concerning corruption in institutions and corporations. No one goes to fucking jail for committing crimes anymore. This is why the guillotines will be rolling in this country as everyone else gets fucked and these fuckers keep skating with no consequences.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:23 | Link to Comment NoWayJose
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For decades prior, the entire US economy was under the control of a single 'Democrat and RINO Republican coalition' who massively indebted the state, impeded growth, and reduced people’s individual freedoms.  Sounds like the US in 2013!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:26 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Hey that's what I learned in my English literature class. The English suck and have sucked for a long time. Now they are known for harboring Financial Terrorists in the City of London and the rest of the world is getting very angry at them because they are exporting FRAUD. The Chinese and Russians have been forced to begin loading nuclear missiles onto submarines and pointing them at them and another country they work out of known as the United States of America. Bad bad bad. Every time I hear that English accent on Coast to Coast AM I have to turn it off because I know another shyster miser is about to try and con me out of my money.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:37 | Link to Comment The Abstraction...
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The Anglosaxon bankers at it again? Doesn#t it seem strange to you that these English villains all have remarkably hooked noses?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:24 | Link to Comment robertocarlos
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The country was falling apart since before 1553. They were issuing coins not made of silver or gold. I can't wait 50-100 years for someone to blow up something.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:26 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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Ours stopped in 1971.  So you already have been waiting 42 years....any day now but not more than 8 years.......your wait will be over. 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:37 | Link to Comment forwardho
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We will not recognize this country in 8 years.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:39 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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Agreed.  Get prepared ASAP.  Every way you can.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:41 | Link to Comment djsmps
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That was the year I got called up for the draft. I flunked.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:42 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Agreed.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:41 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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Agreed. reply to Seasmoke.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:20 | Link to Comment negative rates
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And it burned hard in 1666, and everything after that was a condo made of stonea.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:23 | Link to Comment Bastiat
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Leaked Memo From 2010 Warned Obamacare Will Be 'Unsuccessful' Because Personnel 'Not Up To The Task'

http://www.medicaldaily.com/leaked-memo-2010-warned-obamacare-will-be-un...

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:43 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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I am hearing from various places now (inc. the Mainstream Media) that they KNEW Obamacare would not work.  Just the first step to single payer.

'Up to the Task..."  LOL or would that be COL (Crying Out Loud)?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:03 | Link to Comment Oleander
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Holy Shit!  Bunch of Sadists!  WTF!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:50 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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That's why when I see these fucking nouveau Brit idolizers I just want to puke! Long live the King and Queen? FUCK your king/queen, and wipe the earth of the daemon seed offspring prince and princess.

How could any red blooded American ever want anything to do with the British?

Over.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:54 | Link to Comment Relentless
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Pretty much the way most of us Brits fell over ourselves worshipping Obama when he was elected - bloody good PR and a stupidly optimistic belief that anything would be better than Bush 2.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:12 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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Why are Brits worrying about Obama? I certainly don't give a fuckshit about the queen of english!

You guys may have ruled the globe at some point but you don't any more, and you sure as shit aren't going to sneak into our backdoor and sit in the captains chair.

Over.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:34 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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At least the Queen of England (note - ENGLAND, not english) is female.

The current "Queen" of America - I'll let you decide the true gender of that one.

Icidentally, I'm sure the British are very grateful for your financially backing terrorism in the form of the Noraid / IRA arrangement for all those decades, along with "behind the curtains" management of their economy to your advantage post WW2 - things like the TSR-2 termination, Suez Crisis, and many, many others., where "American Interests" might have been slightly damaged. Add in the tacit expectation that the UK would back and assist the USA in all those wars of asset acquisition, and acting as a missile base for the USA during the Cold War and maybe the USA owes the UK a lot more than you might care to think.

 

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:52 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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Don't get carried away with your fucking superiority. You will be shining our fucking shoes after the reset motherfucker.

You want to test your military against ours? You are a fucking J.O.K.E! Along for the ride? But when the gas runs out these three dudes in the van are going to take your FUCKING wallet and kick your brit ass to the curb!

We know that your king/queen/prince/princess are lizards:
http://kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2013/06/28/17989.shtml

Over.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:58 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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I'm pretty sure he and Reggie wear panties.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:05 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:43 | Link to Comment 29.5 hours
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@Relentless,

"stupidly optimistic belief"

Yeah, pretty much most of the world was taken in. Even tho I did not vote for Obama, I thought "well, at least we finally have a Pres. who knows how to read and write. He can't be worse than that Connecticut frat boy pretending to be a Texas rancher."

I was wrong.

 

 

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:20 | Link to Comment shovelhead
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Still upset about finding out your favorite Wham guy was gay?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:27 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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There is one unanswered question in my life. How many times can I make a mans head rotate 360° while his body stays stationary.

Maybe we can meet one day motherfucker.

Over.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:35 | Link to Comment The Abstraction...
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Guy Fawkes was yet another Catholic who wanted to kill a Protestant monarchy so that a Catholic could be put on the throne, it has absolutely nothing to do with a rage against beards taxes.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:40 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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Your revisionist history has NO fucking place here.

Over.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:40 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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Dear God, they WERE terrible weren't they - even worse than the Spice Girls (and that's saying something!!)

Dire, but we've all heard much, MUCH worse since. Welcome to the "New Normal" - musicians who cannot play a single instrument!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:46 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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I am obliged by family relations to stay on good terms with the British people, but its so called constitutional monarchy is a sham, a fraud, a blight on humankind which has wrought more damage upon the world than any other single country, particularly by way of its deceptive, money grubbing ways. 

Always dressing itself up in the latest lingo, but remaining the same: a grotesque thief, liar, oppressor; a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:35 | Link to Comment smartstrike
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Inevitable revolt of the upper financial crook class? Simon Black, a confidence trickster, wants to stir dissent for his own purpose--no, the people need to revolt against the likes of YOU.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:41 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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Remember, remember the 5th of November.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:40 | Link to Comment Robert of Ottawa
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In the Uk, it isnot known as a "Treason" but a "Plot". Many would like it to have succeeded.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:48 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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An old British joke: Guy Fawkes was the last honest man to enter Parliament :-)

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:43 | Link to Comment bookwurm
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5th of Nov, Lennon Ono band

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eds5X0K7t3Q

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:42 | Link to Comment falak pema
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I for Inevitable :

Another angle of what I for inevitable represents based on past legislation :

It was the result of a lesser known, perhaps more broadly powerful law, Executive Order 12333.

12333 was created in 1980 by Ronald Reagan. and how that has spawned the NSA surveillance prison.

Read more: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/what-is-12333-executive-order-nsa-google/?utm_content=What%20is%2012333%2C%20the%2030-year-old%20order%20behind%20NSA%20spying%3F&utm_medium=syndication&utm_source=Business%20Insider&utm_name=business%20insider%20syndication#ixzz2jokZbTzM

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:47 | Link to Comment The Abstraction...
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V is for very gay indeed. Google Bob Chapman outs Ronald Reagan.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:00 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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My favorite line from 'V': 'And then someone will do something stupid.'

It only takes a spark to ignite a cleansing fire of change for the good. For the people, of the people, by the people. A powder keg of pent up frustration over grievous injustice can be lit in a very short time. Tick, tock...

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:00 | Link to Comment Ocean22
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Bring it on...remember, remember the 5th of November.....

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:57 | Link to Comment Lordflin
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This time will be different. The collapse will be unlike anything man has experienced... including the dark ages.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:03 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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Perhaps. Perhaps not. We'll see...

The wheels are in motion, and nothing can stop it. Only survivors and historians will know the outcome.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:00 | Link to Comment therevolutionwas
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I'll get back to you on that.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:05 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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I doubt it... more good guys with guns in the world than bad guys with guns. Just looks at Egypt. Who has the power? Sure, the good guys in the military with guns may not exactly be good guys, but they're better than the bloodthirsty islamo-facists and the commie-liberals who support them.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:59 | Link to Comment are we there yet
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King George II intruded less than King Obama in our lives.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:10 | Link to Comment Constitutional ...
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The President is still constrained by certain legal hurdles and public reactions in a way that no British monarch tolerates. See the abject failure of the current royal household as an example of the foreign international banking cartel profiting most while subjugating the British people, making paupers of them, stealing their dignity, their money and hope with impunity.

But putting a smiley face upon their treachery with that dysfunctional parade of over dressed and underworked welfare Queens: the House of Saxe Coburg Goethe, squatters in every British palace.

Bread and circuses for the masses, but less bread as every year passes. Only the circus of the 'royals' goes on, and on and bloody on.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:27 | Link to Comment Reaper
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Elite classes always believe their ancestors' successes impart an innate superiority to them. Their error is that they were generated sexually, not vegetatively and their environment, politically, socially and else-wise is never the same as for their ancestors. Nature is the enemy which they cannot overcome. Let them fear a new, more clever, Fawkes or Robespierre. They're coming. In a forest, the biggest trees always fall.

Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read,
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear
"My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away. ~ Shelly

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:35 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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Soon enough our boys in the military will be forced to take action...

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:12 | Link to Comment waldo simon
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@Reaper, thanks for the lines from Shelley, very appropriate

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 22:15 | Link to Comment gdpetti
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Well, it is said that this 'plot' was the 9-11 of its day, another false flag op to get the war with Spain going, from which lots and lots of money could be made by interested parties. Try reading this: truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/11/05/guy-fawkes-the-gunpowder-plot-and-how-false-flag-operations-have-shaped-history/

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 02:36 | Link to Comment GreatUncle
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The Gunpowder Treason of November 5, 1605

Unsurprisingly, civil war broke out in 1642.

Charles I was executed in 1649, and

the genocidal dictatorship of Oliver Cromwell dominated England for the next decade.

At times like this it is amusing to remember that history does have a tendency to repeat itself :-)

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 04:32 | Link to Comment no more banksters
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"Training" societies in tolerating interceptions

http://failedevolution.blogspot.gr/2013/11/training-societies-in-tolerat...

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