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Mike Maloney's Top 10 Reasons To Buy Gold & Silver

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As Mike "Hidden Secrets Of Money" Maloney has said many times before, the economic crisis of 2008 was only a speed bump on the way to the main event.  He believes that before the end of this decade there will be an economic crisis so historic that it will eclipse the crash of 29 and the subsequent great depression.  He also believes it is both unavoidable and inevitable, because it is merely the free market releasing the stored up energy from decades of economic manipulation. As Maolney notes, "the best investment that you will ever make in your lifetime is your own financial education," and the following provides a succinct reminder of the top reasons to buy gold and silver...

 

The Top 10 Reasons "I" Buy Gold and Silver

By Mike Maloney,

So here you go… a countdown of “The Top Ten Reasons That I Buy Gold And Silver.”

10. All World’s Currencies are Fiat Currencies, and Fiat Currencies Always Fail.

99.9% of the world’s population is unaware that we no longer use money… we use “fiat” national currencies.  What is a fiat currency?  Fiat currencies are faith based.  They are national currencies that are not backed by anything of value like gold, instead the government just declares that they have value and, as long as the people keep believing, they accept it… for a while.  But here’s the thing, there have been thousands upon thousands of fiat currencies throughout history, and they have all failed… 100%... no exceptions.

But there is a vast difference this time around.  Since 1971, for the very first time in history, all of the world’s currencies are fiat currencies simultaneously. 

Remember this as we progress through the Top Ten… 

ALL FIAT CURRENCIES FAIL.

9. The Current State of the Global Economy.

In my book, Guide to Investing in Gold and Silver, and in Hidden Secrets of Money, I show how societies have swung back and forth from quality money to quantity currency.  Originally, quantity currency took the form of debased coinage (gold or silver money that has been diluted by adding cheap and abundant base metals such as copper).  Then it took the deceptive form of national currencies that were initially backed by money, IE: claim checks on gold and/or silver. Once these were established, governments then could change the laws, basically making fraud legal, so they could print claim checks on gold that didn’t exist.  The next step was to sever the connection between money and currencies entirely.  

Back when we used real money gold would automatically balance all economies.  When one country experienced an economic boom they would import cheap goods from countries with depressed economies and lower wage rates.  The outflows of gold from the boom country would cause a deflation, cooling the economy, while the countries experiencing gold inflows would boom, causing their labor rates to increase, which in turn would cause the prices of their goods to rise.  This meant that trade imbalances would always automatically rebalance.  Government spending was also constrained.  If a government wanted to spend more than its income (deficit spending) it had to borrow gold from the private sector.  If the government borrowed too much it would cause interest rates to rise, which in turn would slow the economy, which in turn would cause tax revenues to fall, which meant less income for the government, which in turn would cause the government to cut spending.

But the debt based global monetary system has allowed deficit spending, trade imbalances, and bubbles to persist and balloon to levels unprecedented in all of history.  We are in completely uncharted territory.  The credit/debt bubble and the derivatives bubble threaten to take down the world economy.  The only comparison you could make is to take every great bubble in history times one million and have it burst everywhere on the planet simultaneously… It threatens to be a global financial nuclear holocaust the only financial survivors of which will be the owners of gold and silver.

8. Currency Crisis / New World Monetary System.

I am a firm believer that everything happens in waves and cycles.  So when I started writing my book back in 2005 I entered every financial crisis that I could identify into a spreadsheet, starting from the beginning of the USA, looking for a cycle, and something very dramatic stuck out at me.  I had discovered that every 30-40 years the world has an entirely new monetary system.

From that day till now I have been telling as many people as I could that before the end of this decade (before 2020) there will be an emergency meeting of the G-20 finance ministers (or something like that) to hash out a new world monetary system.  It’s normal.  No man made monetary system can possibly account for all of the forces in the free market.  They get old… they develop stress cracks… then they implode.  

We have had four different monetary systems in the past 100-years.  The system we are on today is the U.S. dollar standard.  It is an ageing system that is way overdue for its own demise.  It is now developing stress cracks, and will one day implode.  Like I said, it’s normal.  

But what is different this time around is that the last three transitions were baby-steps from full gold backing, to partial gold backing, to less gold backing, to no gold backing.  In each of these transitions the system we were transitioning from had a component that could never fail… gold.  This time we will be transitioning from a system based on something that always fails… fiat currencies.  The key component to this transition from the U.S. dollar standard to some new standard is of course the U.S. dollar.  By the time the emergency meeting takes place the U.S. dollar will be in the final stages of the terminal condition known as fiat failure.   

But the U.S. dollar represents more than half of the value of all the world’s currency.  A dollar crisis would cast doubts on all fiat currencies, and the cascading effect of loss of faith could cause the rest of them to fall like dominos.  The central bankers will try everything they can think of to keep the fiat game going, but when everything they try fails they’ll look around and say, “What worked before.”  And once again the pendulum will swing back to quality money. 

The only beneficiaries of this event will be gold and silver, and those who own them.

7. Gold and Silver Come with a Central Bank Guarantee.

My book was written from 2005 through 2007.  In it I said there would first be the threat of deflation (this came true in the crisis of 2008) to which Ben Bernanke would overreact with a helicopter drop (this came true with the bailouts and QEs) which would cause an inflation (this came true when the stock markets and real estate reflated.)   Next there will be a real deflation… a contraction of the currency supply.  This will happen when the credit/debt/bond/fiat currency bubble and the derivatives bubble begin to implode.  The reaction of the world’s central banks will be to print until deflation gives way.  I believe this will cause a hyperinflation.  A hyperinflation doesn’t require a nation to print its currency into oblivion… it only requires a loss of faith.

But never fear, because, periodically, throughout history, gold has revalued itself as it is bid up in price by the free market as people rush back to it for safety.  This is when gold does an accounting of all of the currency that had been created since the last time gold revalued itself.  In doing so its purchasing power rises exponentially.

It’s always done this… and I believe it always will.

6. Everything Else is a Scary Investment.

By any realistic measure stocks have been in a super-bubble for more than a decade now with valuations and yields in the danger zone, while bonds are in the later stages of a 30-year bull market and real estate is still deflating from the biggest bubble in history. 

Dr. Robert Shiller, of Yale University, has compiled data on the stock market going all the way back to the year 1880.  His research concludes that by one measure the stock market has been in a bubble since 1998 and by his other measure the bubble is far bigger and more extreme than any prior bubble, including the stock market bubble of the Roaring `20s that led to the crash of `29.  Further research shows that the only reason the markets have been levitated to these levels is due to Federal Reserve stimulus.  What will happen if they take away the training wheels? I wouldn’t want to be invested in stocks when it finally implodes.

U.S. Treasury bonds have been a great investment for more than 30-years, but no bull market lasts forever.  In fact, for the 37 years after WII, bonds were such a bad investment that by the end of the `70s they had earned the nickname “certificates of confiscation”, because they confiscated your wealth.  But that was back when countries were financially responsible.  Now most countries on the planet run their finances like Greece, and the United States of America is leading the way.  And as the world’s central banks keep interest rates low it has caused bond investors to take extraordinary risks in search of a reasonable return.  We are now in a global bond bubble, and I believe that this has made the bond market one of the most dangerous places to invest right now.

When the stock market crashed in 2000 it caused a recession in 2001.  Alan Greenspan’s response was to cut interest rates dramatically.  Then along came 9/11, making the stock market crash even worse, and his response was to take the Federal Funds Rate to lows for a duration last seen in the Great Depression.  Greenspan’s goal was to reflate the stock market… his achievement was to accidentally create the greatest real estate bubble in history.

Since the popping of the bubble in 2007 real estate values have come back down to fair value and then bounced back into a small bubble. Dr. Shiller, also the creator of the Case-Shiller Home Price Index, agrees.  This is typical price action of any super-bubble that’s in the process of popping… it’s called a “dead cat bounce.”  The public always chases yesterday’s news.  As prices reverted near fair value, investors rushed in to scoop up deals causing prices to rise once again.  But then, just as in the crash of `29 and the NASDAQ crash of 2000, the dead cat bounce will roll over and the crash will continue until the opposite extreme of severe undervaluation is reached.  This is natural and is what is required to clear out the excesses left over from the bubble days.  Too many jobs were created in that sector and too many homes were built.  Undervaluation is required to clear out the excess inventory and cause workers to move on.

But what worries Dr. Shiller is that institutional investment firms have bought up as much as 30% of the homes that were foreclosed on since the crash of 2008.  This has the potential of making real estate as volatile as the stock market.  If these firms ever decide to sell they can dump thousands of homes all at once, causing the 2008 real estate crash to look like the calm before the storm.

Personally… the thought of investing in real estate right now is down right scary.

So the stock market, bonds, and real estate are either in a bubble or have been in a bubble in the last decade.  Gold and silver, however, haven’t been in a bubble for more than 30-years, and from my measurements still appear to be less than half way through their bull market.    

The next great bubble will someday be in gold and silver… It‘s just their turn.

5. Market Psychology.

I’ve often said that the markets and the economy are both psychological and cycle-logical.  Nobody can really understand the markets or the economy, but you can get an inkling of what they’re about if you understand what drives them… greed and fear.  And the most entertaining part of monetary history is the study of their byproducts; manias, panics, bubbles, and crashes.  When you study these you quickly learn the meaning of the old saying “The bull climbs the stairs, but the bear jumps out the window.”  What it means is that it can take years to create a bubble, but only days or weeks for it to burst. This is because, when it comes to greed and fear… fear is by far the more powerful emotion.

Gold and silver are sometimes the exceptions to this rule because they can rise as fast as lightning in a panic.  In the golden bull market of the 70s, it took nine years for gold to rise from $35 to $400, but once a panic out of dollars to the safe haven of gold began to develop, it took only 33 trading days to more than double, rocketing to $850.

But actually, it was only a very small percentage of the population that was panicking out of dollars in the 70s.  This time I think it will be everyone.   Where do you think gold and silver will be headed if my reasons ten through six come to pass?

4. This Time it Really is Different.

The first time I submitted my book, Guide to Investing in Gold and Silver, to the publisher it was rejected.  I had overwritten the book.  It was 800 pages long.  I was provided with two editors and over a six-month period 600 pages were cut, including nine entire chapters.  One of the deleted chapters contained what is probably the most important factor in trying to determine where gold and silver prices may be headed in the future.  It was the chapter on the differences between the precious metals bull market of the 1970s and the great gold and silver rush of today.  Since then I have traveled the world showing people just how dramatic the differences are, and that… “This time it really is different.”

In the 1970s the number of investors in state run economies like Mao’s China or the U.S.S.R. was zero, and most of the rest of the world lived in extreme poverty. The price of gold was set by two major exchanges, the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA) and the Commodities Exchange (COMEX) in the U.S. so only north America and western Europe, about 10% of the world’s population, could participate in the rush that drove gold up 24 times in price from $35 to $850. This time it’s everyone.

Every country on the planet has expanded their currency supplies about 10-fold since the `70s, so each potential investor has 10-times the currency. And within each population there has been the extraordinary development of the investor mindset.  In the 70s we were a planet of savers, but then, as nations around the world abandoned gold and silver as money and adopted fiat currency, inflation raged punishing savers and rewarding investors and speculators.  Then we had the tech bubble of the `90s and everyone became a stock investor or trader. Then we had the global real estate bubbles and everyone became a real estate investor or flipper.  For more than 30-years saving has been punished and investing and speculating has been rewarded.  The result is that there are many, many times more people that are likely to invest in gold and silver this time around.  The number is very hard to project, but I would guess it’s somewhere between 10 and 100… possibly even as much as 1,000 times more people with an investor mindset.  Remember that in the state run economies (more than half the world’s population) there were no investors, and today China is in the midst of an investor driven real estate hyper-bubble.

So that’s 10-times the people, each with 10-times the currency, and somewhere between 10 and 1,000-times the number of people with an investor mindset.   That is somewhere between 1,000 and 100,000 times more currency that will someday come chasing gold and silver this time around.

This time… it really is different.

3. They Should Buy a Whole Lot More Than They Do.

Many analysts in the precious metals community claim that gold is the ultimate wealth insurance because it maintains its purchasing power throughout the centuries.  There is an old myth they propagate that in ancient Rome an ounce of gold could clothe a man from head to toe with a toga, sandals, and a belt, and that today a man can still clothe himself in a suit, shoes, and a belt for the price of an ounce of gold.  They claim that this has always been the case.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  Before the Federal Reserve was created in 1913 you could buy a man’s suit, shoes, and belt for an ounce of gold, and gold’s price was $20.67 per ounce, but due to inflation, by the end of the roaring `20s you couldn’t.  At the beginning of the great depression gold was still $20.67, but because of deflation you could once again buy the outfit. Then in 1934, as the dollar was devalued, gold’s price rose to $35 and you could now buy an exquisite outfit, but by 1970, with gold still at $35 per ounce, it would only buy the shoes, but just ten years later, when it hit $850, it would buy a topnotch suit, very fine shoes, and a great belt.  Then by the year 2001, when gold bottomed at $252, it could only buy a shoddy suit, cheap shoes, and a crummy belt.  

Yes gold is always worth something, but it has always varied in a range of purchasing power.  This myth that gold maintains the same purchasing power throughout the centuries is based on the true fact that we mine gold at about the same rate as the growth of the population so there is relatively the same amount of gold per person on the planet today as there was in ancient Rome. So let’s dissect the myth of the Roman suit and see why gold’s purchasing power has varied, and what it could be in the future.

The gains in efficiencies made since ancient Rome are mind boggling.  To make a toga required either cotton to be hand planted, hand tended, hand picked and hand separated from the seed, or it required sheepherders to tend small flocks of sheep and then shear them by hand.  Then the cotton or wool had to be hand washed, hand combed, and hand spun into thread, but the spinning wheel was yet to be invented, so a spindle and distaff (basically two sticks) were used instead.  This was a very laborious process so it could take someone weeks to make enough thread for a toga.  Then the thread was hand dyed with hand made colors that had been hand mined or harvested.  Then it had to be hand woven on a two person vertical loom (again, slow and laborious.)  Then the cloth was cut to a pattern and hand stitched into a toga.  The shoes and belt were equally labor intensive.

Today, with factory farming, cheap fuel, modern irrigation, and pesticides it’s possible to tend thousands of acres planted at densities never before imagined.  Giant combines drive through the field plowing the dirt and sowing the seeds in one pass.  At harvest time specialized combines pick the cotton and other machined separate the seed.  With factory ranching efficiency is the same story with thousands of sheep being tended and shorn in production line fashion. Then trucks deliver the cotton or wool to where it’s washed, combed, and spun into miles of thread in minutes, then dyed with cheap mass production dyes and woven into miles of cloth by machines... again in minutes.  Then the cloth is stacked many layers thick and a computer guided shear cuts out dozens of each of the parts of the suit in a single pass.  The parts go to an assembly plant where workers, who specialize in making the left sleeve, or right leg and such, do so at amazing speed.  Workers that can turn out dozens of suits per day do the final assembly, also at a blazing rate.  Then it’s shipped to a store where you can pick from dozens, or even hundreds of styles, colors, and sizes.  It’s a similar story at the shoe factory that spits out a pair of shoes every few seconds, and the belts that come off the production line by the thousands.

The end result is that the “time value” of the Roman outfit most likely measures in months of human labor, whereas the modern suit contains only a few hours of human time.  This is true of all the other stuff in society as well.  When it comes to the time value contained in stuff… everything today is on sale for a tiny, minuscule fraction of what it once cost.  And as proof to support my thesis I offer this… Today a good percentage of the world’s population has maybe a hundred times more stuff than 99% had 2,000 years ago.  Think about it.  You are surrounded with furniture, cell phones, computers, TVs, refrigerators, grocery stores, cars, planes, hotels, restaurants, a great bed to sleep in at night, and just about anything else that you want.  By contrast 2,000 years ago most people, with the exception of the ruling class, lived a subsistence living barely able to afford the things they needed to survive.  In many cases a great bed or pair of shoes were extravagances they would not experience in their lifetimes.

So if this is true… and it is… then why is gold’s purchasing power so low?  If there’s so much more stuff per person, but the same amount of gold per person… shouldn’t an ounce of gold buy many, many, many times more stuff than it does today?  Absolutely, emphatically, YES… it should.

Then why doesn’t it?

Because of the other big factor in busting this myth... 

In ancient Rome, if you wanted to save some of your wealth for the future there was only one asset available for you to save your purchasing power in… real money… the gold and silver coins that made up their money supply.  Today if you want to save some of your wealth for the future you do so with financial assets such as stocks and/or bonds, and maybe a tiny portion of currency in a checking account.  These highly liquid assets actually compete with gold and silver as a place to store your wealth.  They all dilute each other’s purchasing power.  

So that’s the answer… competing fiat currencies and other financial assets.  In ancient Rome there was only one place to store your wealth… today there are thousands.  The gains in purchasing power that gold should have made due to man becoming so much more efficient at making stuff, have been almost exactly offset by alternative liquid financial assets in which to store that wealth. 

Highly liquid world financial assets (which exclude all real estate, any business not listed on an exchange, and derivatives) total about $230 trillion.  Total world currency, including bank deposits, stands at about $50 trillion.  So that’s a grand total of $280 trillion of liquid assets.  That’s $40,000 worth of wealth per person on the planet stored as transient digits in computers.

Today, investment grade gold (coins and bars) held by the public totals about 1.1 billion ounces and there are about 7.1 billion people on the planet.  That’s 0.15 ounces of gold per person.  At today’s prices it’s about $200 worth of gold per person.  If you include official reserves, such as central bank gold, you get about $400, and if you include all above ground gold, including things like jewelry and religious artifacts… in other words, all the gold ever mined in history, you get about $800 worth of gold per person.  That’s it… That’s all.

With technology, machinery, and super cheap energy we’ve become a thousand times more efficient at producing stuff, and at the same time we’ve created a thousand more ways to store our wealth.  If it weren’t for all those competing currencies and alternative financial assets gold would buy many, many times more stuff.  But even with all this competition, because of the gains in efficiency, an ounce of gold should buy 10 men’s suits today.  And if fiat currencies were to fail (like they always have) then it should buy a hundred or a thousand.

So what happens to those alternate financial assets in the inevitable market crash that lies out there in the future?  Those trusted financial assets suddenly become, hocus-pocus, voodoo, financial assets and their value evaporates, just like those AAA rated Mortgage Backed Securities did in the crash of 2008.  What happens to fiat currencies in the coming currency crisis?  All those currencies become hot potatoes that nobody wants, causing hard assets, like gold and silver, to be bid up to the moon.  Either way, gold will buy a whole lot more stuff someday in the near future.

So you have $40,000 worth of wealth per person stored in alternative liquid assets compared to just $200 per person stored in investment grade gold.  That’s a 200-1 ratio.  That means that in a crisis if just 10% of the wealth invested in those alternative assets were to come chasing gold, its price could rise 20-fold.

The moral of the story is… If you want to buy 20 suits, shoes, and belts a few years from now… buy an ounce of gold today.

2. Add Up Reasons 10-3… It’s All Happening At Once, and It’s Global.

Since 1971 all of the world’s currencies are fiat currencies simultaneously… and all fiat currencies in history have failed. 

The world’s central banks are simultaneously creating fiat currency on a suicidal scale never before imagined. 

Every 30-40 years the world has an entirely new monetary system, but for the first time we will be transitioning from a system based on something that always fails… fiat currencies.  So unlike previous transitions, this transition will be felt by everyone on the planet.

This time there is 10-times the people that can buy gold, each with 10-times the currency, and somewhere between 10 and 1,000-times the number of people with an investor mindset.   That is somewhere between 1,000 and 100,000 times more currency that will someday come chasing gold and silver this time around.

Periodically, throughout history, gold accounts for all of the currency that was created since the last time gold did the accounting.  This time it has to account for a mountain of currency the scale of which has never been seen before. 

We are in completely uncharted territory.  

Real estate, stocks, and bonds are all in bubbles.

The credit/debt and derivatives bubbles threaten the world economy.  

It takes years to create a bubble, but only days or weeks for it to burst… and all bubbles eventually burst. 

In market crashes and currency crisis, trusted investments can sometimes evaporate.

In currency crisis, a stock market crash, or in the final stages of a gold bull market, fear is what drives investors.

When it comes to greed and fear, fear is by far the more powerful emotion.

Gold and silver haven’t been in a bubble for more than 30-years, so the next great bubble will be in gold and silver… It‘s just their turn.

There’s more stuff per person than at any time in history but the same amount of gold.

Competing fiat currencies and alternate financial assets have diluted gold and silver’s purchasing power.  

There is 200 times more wealth invested in liquid assets other than gold.

If 10% of that wealth came chasing gold, its price could rise 20-fold.

And that’s 10%.  In the crisis I see coming, fear should drive a lot more than just 10% of the world’s liquid wealth towards gold and silver.

Knowing this you would think I would take every spare unit of currency I can get my hands on and buy gold.  So why don’t I?  Because silver is undervalued compared to gold.  So I take every spare unit of currency I can get my hands on and buy lots of silver and a little gold.

1. I Sleep Better.

As I said at the beginning of this article, I believe that an economic crisis of historic proportions is headed straight at us, and there is no avoiding it.  Never before have all governments on the planet simultaneously laid down the foundation for the perfect economic storm.  I believe that there will be a global fiat currency crisis that will cause the bubbles in stocks, bonds, and real estate to burst simultaneously.  This will result in the greatest economic crash the world has ever seen.

Things could get pretty bad.  The possibilities range from my being completely wrong and things going pretty much like they are, to a total economic collapse and financial Armageddon from which we never recover.  Toward the bad end is the possibility of the failure of the monetary system, which would raise the likelihood of social unrest (rioting), and disruption of the food supply.

But in any range of possibilities there is something called a bell curve of probabilities.  What that means is that either of the extremes (also called the tail risks) are very unlikely to happen, but that something in the middle is very likely to happen. 

Believe it or not, I am not a doomsayer, but nor do I believe the government when they tell me everything is going to be all right.  

I think it’s going to be something in the middle.  Yes, I believe it’s going to be the greatest crash in history, but I have great hope.  Man is an amazing species.  We have a resilience and ability to adapt and bounce back from anything.  

How have I prepared for the range of possibilities?  I have been accumulating precious metals since 2002.  To me this relieves a lot of anxiety.  And now I have purchased a small supply of emergency food. I found an assortment that will have me eating like a king in an emergency situation.  I have given one of these assortments to each of my family members, my best friends, and all of my employees.  This has relieved any remaining anxieties.

Yes, the stock and real estate markets will probably crash, and for those who are unprepared it will be devastating.  But if it’s going to happen anyway, and if there is nothing I can do about it, then I may as well try to figure out how to turn this catastrophe into the best thing that has ever happened to me.  When I talk about an economic crash, most people get a picture in their head’s of the devastated, bombed-out wastelands left over after a war.  It’s not going to be that way.  All the true wealth, the buildings, the real estate, and the factories will still be there… they’ll just be on sale.  

It is when stocks and real estate are bottoming that I intend to sell my gold and silver and buy up as much true wealth as I can.  

Yes, banks could fail, but new, more efficient ones will take their place.  Yes, the world monetary system could collapse, but this could be a good thing.  If we could make fraud, theft, and conflicts of interest illegal for the banking sector and monetary system, and if we just leave the free market alone and stop manipulating and meddling with it, it would quickly provide us with a new, efficient, stable, and honest monetary system that would increase the prosperity and standard of living for us all.

As I have said many times… there are these brief moments in history where the safest asset class, gold and silver, the safe haven to protect your wealth for the last 5,000 years, simultaneously become the asset class with the greatest potential gains in absolute purchasing power.  I believe we are in one of these episodes right now, and the performance of gold and silver over the last twelve years have proven me correct.

In periods of crisis gold and silver are the asset class that out performs all others.  This decade will see the greatest financial crisis in history.  That means it will also be the greatest wealth transfer in history.  And that means that it is the greatest opportunity in history.

How do I sleep at night?

Very well thank you.

 

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Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:05 | 4125471 Thomas
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Despite hypolicity--Is that a word?--I must admit that I share his views. I am not sure about the zombie apocalypse but I do believe the next currency regime will be forced upon us and will have assets as its centerpiece.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:09 | 4125485 uncle.bigs
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What would be the catalyst for a new currency regime?  If gold and silver became money, I think we'd be back to a cave man economy.  I see a long slow erosion of standard of living rather than an apocalyptic end game.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:20 | 4125511 Thomas
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Not necessarily. Some country like China might step in. It could be gradual in which gold-backed things start creeping in. I could be wrong--it could just suck royal butt.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:22 | 4125517 uncle.bigs
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How is it in China's interest to screw the United States, it's biggest customer?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:32 | 4125547 Manthong
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"How is it in China's interest to screw the United States, it's biggest customer?"

When they are happy with the size of their gold and internal resources hedge against their foreign reserves, and they determine that the delining value of western markets and their declining value fiat is no longer more important than growing their internal market, THAT will be when it is in their interest.  

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:06 | 4125650 Thomas
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Cf "American Theocracy" As 17th century Spain began to empty its New World gold, the first response of suppliers who were making serious money selling goods to them was give them credit. At some point, however, they realize that vendor financing was a fools game, and external suppliers turned creditors abandoned Spain altogether. China will do the same to us when the time comes.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:04 | 4125792 carlin401
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China isn't stupid, they're using that paper-money to BUY boeing, and apple, ...

Real Estate in the USA, ...

I would go so far to say that there IS NOT A FUCKING DIFF between AFRICA and the USA, both country's are full of moron's who use their dicks, more than their brains.

China just about OWNS africa these days, and soon CHINA will own the USA in the same way,...

Remember there is not a fucking difference between Zimbabwe IQ or SAT than found in the average USA ghetto, which is the majority of the USA, given that 50% is on assistance.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 05:32 | 4126040 James_Cole
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about 10% of the world’s population, could participate in the rush that drove gold up 24 times in price from $35 to $850. This time it’s everyone.

Ah the comedy of cognitive dissonance in action..

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 05:54 | 4126050 akak
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And predictably, here is James_Cole popping in to poo-poo the prospects of (and value of holding) gold.

While Maloney's claim of "everyone" is a bit of an exaggeration, at least, it is still patently obvious that MANY more people worldwide today are in a position to invest and/or save in gold than was the case in the late 1970s.  To deny that is to deny the obvious --- although that never stopped you before, James, such as your repeated Nadleresque claims that most Asian gold "jewelery" is merely baubles and frippery rather than the LONG TERM SAVINGS and INVESTMENT that we both know it in fact represents.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:01 | 4125785 carlin401
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Chinese aren't stupid, ... they're going to have their CASH in a mix of SGD's, CHF's USD, ... EUROS...

Nobody is stupid enough to have all the egg's in one basket.

Anybody want to make a bet about the 2-3 acts of 'muslim terrorism', in last few weeks in Beijing isn't being ran by the CIA? Makes perfect sense to use the Muslim bogey man to drive China closer to USA hegemony.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 02:03 | 4125874 ich1baN
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I lived there. That is the Xinhua that is reporting muslim extremists. You should read the history of china before you spout of ignorance. They have a long history with Muslims. 

Xinjiang is majority muslim. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 07:17 | 4126126 eclectic syncretist
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China isn't going to announce shit about its gold holdings so long as the flow of gold into the country continues to accelerate at steady or declining prices.  When the amount of gold getting imported slows noticeably it will likely be due to supply shortages and not a lack of demand from the Chinese.  That will be a time to watch closely.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:33 | 4125551 CheapBastard
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I like Mike Maloney. His articles remind me of when the CEO of Northwestern Mutual Life Ins Co was asked why they bought $400 million in gold.

The conservative insurance company CEO looked at the reporter in disbelief and answered, "Because it makes sense!"

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:00 | 4125631 fonzannoon
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they sold that gold.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:01 | 4125634 DoChenRollingBearing
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And I like his reason No. 1 (Zzz better).  Of course gold reaching FOFOA-scale prices ("$55,000") is just icing!  Mmm...

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 03:45 | 4125969 OutLookingIn
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$55 G's?

In that case -

A cup of coffee will cost you about $350.00 per cup!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 07:05 | 4126110 GetZeeGold
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Actually when gold went from $256 to $1900....the price of bread and coffee wasn't really all that much affected.

 

Try again.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 08:22 | 4126197 DanDaley
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Never underestimate a red-headed Irishman (Mike Maloney -probably from County Cork).

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:08 | 4125800 IllusionOfChoice
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When China has native demand, or demand from 'emerging markets' comes up, the need for our demand will fade away. It's a process, just like the usage of Renminbi to settle international accounts was zero just a few years ago. Now it's on pace to hit 25% shortly. Sooner or later, the petro-dollar will no longer be 'the gold standard'.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 08:15 | 4126185 caShOnlY
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How is it in China's interest to screw the United States, it's biggest customer?

Oh boy, there is that "American Exceptionalism" again.  "you don't play our game, we don't buy your goodies".

China has slowly reduced its dependency on American exports to only 16% of its entire exports picture.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 14:17 | 4131754 paintman
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How is it in China's interest to screw the United States, it's biggest customer?

It's not in China's interest to screw the U.S.  Neither is it in their interest to let the U.S. screw them. The China/US trade relationship is greatly different in scale, but otherwise no different than any other business relationship. 

As a business man, when my biggest (or any other) customer is no longer creditworthy, I will require him to pay cash.  I won't let him pay with cash he prints in his own basement, or creates on his home computer.  If that customer wants real value from me, he must give me something of real value in return.  Otherwise, I must protect my business from his problems. I have the choice of selling my product to another customer or reducing my production and retaining my capital.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:11 | 4133125 MeelionDollerBogus
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Same reason anyone else screws their customers: once it's clear in the market there is no alternative choice to side-step the damage.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:22 | 4125519 Theta_Burn
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You mean the slow erosion we are witnessing right now?

When the words are uttered in multiple accents, "we don't want your dollars anymore" that will be the apocalyptic end.

Its going to be strange spending money (backed by, you guessed it) with other countries leaders on it. which kind of sucks because the new bengi's are really cool.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:11 | 4133127 MeelionDollerBogus
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soldiers are chasing cave men with AK's across the world.
We ARE in the caveman economy because that's what's running it, war.
It was only pretend that we weren't.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:05 | 4126276 beaker
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So what's the plan when the government puts a 50% or 80% tax on gold sales.  Or even says they are contemplating that move?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:10 | 4127081 jmcadg
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If US govenrment put a 50% or 80% tax on it, they will just create a black market. This is global now too. So all goverments would have to impose it. Presumably creating a global black market.

Also the vast majority don't own any physical, so what would it achieve?

Better minds than mine could no doubt shed light.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:11 | 4133132 MeelionDollerBogus
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#1 don't pay
#2 don't be in that country

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:04 | 4125474 valkir
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3 years ago i simply write"economic collapse"in google.So i discover economiccollapseblog,first,second i did find Mike Maloney,and couple days later,Zerohedge.This is like avalanche,thank you guys.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:04 | 4125476 Al Gorerhythm
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YOU CAN'T EAT GOLD!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

 

(sarc)

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:21 | 4125692 kadoka
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Hell, it probably tastes better than those pigs from Walmart.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 07:40 | 4126147 GetZeeGold
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One hundred dollar bills taste like crap.

 

I did it on a bet.....don't try this at home.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 08:41 | 4126236 caShOnlY
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YOU CAN'T EAT GOLD!!!!!!!!

No, you can't eat gold but you can wipe your ass with green paper (digital doesn't work so well).

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 18:23 | 4128527 cynicalskeptic
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no printed currency is good for use as toilet paper...... rough and the paper dioes not readily dissolve, clogging toilets and plumbing systems.

 

see    http://freakonomics.com/2008/12/18/freak-shots-when-money-goes-down-the-...

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:06 | 4125481 Cabreado
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Not one mention of Control, which all at once should drive the utility and price of gold, and is a threat too.

Things will need to be resolved to a new equilibrium; gold is insurance in the event they are not.

But the words about gold keep flowing... the Neglect of the Controls keeps flowing, too.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:25 | 4125529 Bay of Pigs
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Just a bunch of fuckan bullshit everywhere we turn. If gold is out, so are guns, ammo, FREEDOM everyting else.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:31 | 4125543 fonzannoon
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If they can get freedom to go first everything else will follow. so far so good for them.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:46 | 4125578 Bay of Pigs
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Quite frankly, Im near the end here fonz. I'm empty.

All my talking and defending gold and silver for over fifteen years has gone nowhere. Nobody cares.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:53 | 4125601 fonzannoon
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yeah...hang in there man. It's not about gold going forward. It's going to  be about watching generations of people riddled in debt with no future making decisions that will drive the bus. 

it is what it is man. I'm pushing 40. My time here is finite. I won't let them drain me mentally. Enjoy every moment u can.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:03 | 4125644 DoChenRollingBearing
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Bay!  fonz!  I feel the same way you guys do.  Hardly anyone is listening.  Before too long, I'll be 60.

Yes, enjoy every moment you can.  Life is a gift.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:36 | 4125735 Cabreado
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I don't mean to interrupt, but when you say

"Hardly anyone is listening."

Who is not listening to what/whom?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:08 | 4125801 Bay of Pigs
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Aside from people like you Cabreado.....nobody.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 08:29 | 4126212 DanDaley
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Hey, Bahía de Cochinos, estoy escuchando...I'm listening...and if it makes you feel better, remember the Biblical aphorism: many are called, but few are chosen (in this case, self-chosen). Or how about the one about the scattering of the seeds, and how some fall upon the stones and wither.  No, bro...just stick to your knitting, I think that you got this one exactly right (in your purchases, I mean).

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:18 | 4125810 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Cabreado

Only four among all of my friends and family own any gold.  They are all well aware of what I have told them (buy gold).  They're not listening to me.

On the other hand, if I am wrong about gold, then they will have been better having ignored me.  Never know...

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 03:54 | 4125975 OutLookingIn
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Yes.

I have lost so many inter-personal relationships, some freindships, one close freind and strained some family connections to almost breaking, that I stopped talking about gold and silver a couple of years ago. Except where someone comes up to me with a question or query. Which happens but rarely.

No one is interested in owning physical gold or silver. They will be victims. So sorry. I tried to warn them.  

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:34 | 4126394 N2OJoe
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I too seem to have many sheeple friends. I mention it once or twice and if they are not interested then I drop it. It sure will suck for them when the shtf.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 18:11 | 4128496 fockewulf190
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Me three.  Everyone I know is addicted to paper and have rejected the plea to own phyzz. All are 100% reliant on it.  Pay, pensions, stocks, munis, the works. The killer to sentiment has been caused by the smackdowns in fiat price, the media gang rapes when the PMs are hammered, and the blatent manipulations...all masterstrokes designed to keep interest in phyzz at bay, and the sheeple sheepish.  Makes the phyzz stacker look bad.  BTFD met with STFU. I tried, and now I mention the topic only rarely.  Never stopped me from stacking though.  Mike is right.  I do sleep better. Much better. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 18:37 | 4128579 fockewulf190
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I wonder how many stackers started like I did.  I used to be into investing in stocks.  Actually made some money doing it and even got out before the big crash in 2008.   Nobody tried to convince me to buy phyzz at anytime.  I just started to really pay attention to what was happening, did some online research, felt very vunerable, rapidly sold all paper assets and converted it into phyzz.  Been stacking ever since  and regret nothing.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 20:55 | 4129158 Squid-puppets a...
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actually most of my family approved of my stacking (before the boating accident) - they just dont have the conviction / overcome the inertia to stack themselves.

But if the shit hits the fan, it'll tip them over the edge to buy. A few million of them'll crack comex, no problem

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 08:30 | 4126214 Marge N Call
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Weird, it's about the same for me, 3 or 4 of my F & F own any gold. Lots in my family understand gold and the need to own it, and they (I think) sincerely want to own some, but they do NOT seem to want to own it enough to actually go buy and store some. That seems to be the biggest obstacle: actually making your first purchase and finding a good place to store it. Once that happens, you WANT to add more and more.

There's also the psycology of it - some folks feel they are betting on complete failure and they have a real problem with that. I tell them it's not a bet, it's an insurance policy, but they just can't get there psycologically.

YMMV

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:03 | 4125765 Prisoners_dilemna
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The PMs sure help me sleep at night... but they just lack that...  middle finger to the state.  

You know what I mean.   That feeling you've had for fifteen years....  somewhere between blind rage at the sheep, pure hatred for the masters, and just wishing something would finally wake people the f*ck up. And in the midst of all that, deep inside, we know an honest money system is well.... honest.

For that I use Bitcoin. Every Bitcoin I spend is a middle finger to the state.

And just in case you were wondering....   I'm the future.  My generation will be taking over shortly.  Heed my words.

Get some gold for savings.   Get some Bitcoin for transactions.    Maybe we'll know who's right in 2140.

But for now     sleep well AND get the incredible satisfaction of giving the State (and all it dependents) one of these.,...

....................../´¯/)
....................,/¯../
.................../..../
............./´¯/'...'/´¯¯`·¸
........../'/.../..../......./¨¯\
........('(...´...´.... ¯~/'...')
.........\.................'...../
..........''...\.......... _.·´
............\..............(
..............\.............\...

 

We're all on the same team here. 'Cept for MDB (and I personally detest Xenofrog).

If there's anyone on this piglet slamming, ghost city building, not enough bankers jumping f*cked up world I was born into that I identify with, its the intellectual libertarian types. O'm guessing that's some of you.

From me to you,    get some fucking BTC already and stop whining about gold.  It'll shine again someday   but first we must walk thru the valley of the shadow.   BTC will get us thru to the other side of the valley, where our precious PMs will once again hopefully be recognized and appreciated as money.

Ignore BTC and it's gonna be one hell of a long slag, and we got a lot of dead weight to pull with us.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:05 | 4125794 olto
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Prisondude:

Think of it this way

Every ounce of gold that you buy is so many hundreds of wealth that is taken out of the banker's game--------this is truly a big "FUCK YOU!" to the banksters and pushes them just a teensy-weensy bit further out on the limb they are sawing themselves off of----------

This should make every goldbug smile and sleep well at night------

Of course, you could, also, go out in the streets and raise a little more hell---

shake your fist in their faces or something

kick ass, brother

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:18 | 4125809 Prisoners_dilemna
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I like your comment but I think you missed my point.

Bitcoin is equivalent to gold. We have gold for transacting in right now. Bitcoin.

I don't use it as a savings account. Thats what PMs are for.

 

But for actually meeting up with other productive people, and transacting,   we have bitcoin.

 

So to continue your analogy

Gold is a nice back hand, and Bitcoin is that hay maker they just didnt see coming.

 

To some of the "distinguished gentlemen" on this site,  probably twice my age if not more,    I just wanna remind them that Bitcoin is not only scarce, divisible, portable, durable, and best of all     is doing what gold ought to be doing when BS Bankee is inflating by 85 billion/month.

 

Let Greshams law apply to your gold.   Let Bitcoin be the password into the club that no statist, subsidized, crony can abuse.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:24 | 4125818 lickspitler
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Prison Dude,  A stacker with the other eye open .... cool.

PS Sorry about your country what a cluster fuck.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 06:43 | 4126083 StandardDeviant
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PD: While it's possible that MDB is a troll par excellence, willing to go to great lengths to wind us all up, I'm about 98% certain that what he's doing is in fact parody.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:15 | 4126835 Croesus
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@ Standard Deviant: 

THAT is exactly what MDB is doing..

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 20:36 | 4129082 olto
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Thanks for the reply, Prisoners D,

We do agree and I am happy to be on the same team

Old guys like me do not need much cash----maybe a couple of hundred every couple of weeks---just walkin' 'round dollars

We don't want to lose ----no interest in working/earning---so losses are impossible to replace

Bit coin is a new and great idea---but I don't want to place a bet on something so new until there is no other option

I'm just not risk tolerant except when it is my life I have to put on the line

Go gettem, P.    Good luck in all you do

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:12 | 4133135 MeelionDollerBogus
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Nothing in this universe is equivalent to gold that is not gold.
Period.
If you don't get that you flat out got fooled.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:27 | 4125815 One World Mafia
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A great speculative play perhaps but...

"Using an appropriate network representation, it is possible to associate many public-keys with each other, and with external identifying information. With appropriate tools, the activity of known users can be observed in detail. This can be performed using a passive analysis only. Active analyses, wherean interested party can potentially deploy `marked' Bitcoins and collaborate with other users can discover even more information. We also believe that large centralized services such as the exchanges and wallet services are capable of identifying and tracking considerable portions of user activity. Technical members of the Bitcoin community have cautioned that strong anonymity is not a prominent design goal of the Bitcoin system. However, casual users need to be aware of this, especially when sending Bitcoins to users and organizations they would prefer not to be publicly associated with."

http://arxiv.org/pdf/1107.4524.pdf

BTC ATM palm scans, IDs for money laundering regulations...

Cashless society here we come.  Trace em.  Tax em.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:12 | 4133136 MeelionDollerBogus
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Putting any effort into btc now more than $3/ea and I'll lose before 3 years is up. All of it.
Bad, bad choice. I refuse to be tricked.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 06:11 | 4126062 XAU XAG
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@DCRB,Bay & Fonz

 

I here you been reading this site for many years, found it from news articals posted on MM's Site.

 

Peeps just do not want to know, they are heads down on the grind stone,

 

I read the sayings on 24gold top right and this one comes up every now and then and I prob wont write it correct.

 

In a madening crowd those that could see those dancing thought they were mad...............untill they heard the music.

 

Kind of sums it up.

 

Appart from the fact that those who could not hear the music, once they did could start dancing. With Gold and silver...........it will be too late.

 

Just my 2cents

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:09 | 4125803 olto
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fonz---

got thirty-some years on ya' dude

and every new day is better than the one before

the shit'll fly before the methane rises

so i'll see something interestin' before i go

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:42 | 4127196 stuman
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I care.

I watch and "listen" and read as much news and info across the board as I can.

Have for the last 6 yrs or so...right after the crash and I'd just bought my first home. We thought if we waited we'd be priced out of what we wanted and could afford. We bought in Sept. of '07...couldn't of picked a worse time lol (we're still in it actually and refinanced down to 3.5%)

But because I wasn't paying attention to anything other than price and made a poorly educated choice. I told myself never again. I'm not an expert, but I'm much more educated about the factors that effect the economy here in the US and abroad than I ever was. I'm more aware of the problems that have been building for quite some time.

And I thank the reports and the community posts here at ZH for helping educate me and at least give me info to sift through and weigh and ponder!

You "have" to get off the beaten path of the Mainstream Media outlets to find where the meat of thngs really are discussed in depth. But you also have to try and be careful not to go too far down the rabbit hole lol

I don't have as much hope as I wish I did. I wish the state of things were better. But I'd much reather have my eyes open as much as possible and not be completely ignorant when the SHTF for real...as I think it will eventually.

Anyway, just wanted to say "Thanks"

Sorry for the long winded version ;)

Best Regards to All!

Stu 

 

btw - I have a cross section of "supplies" that I keep adding to including precious metals, food, water and the like. It's a daunting task to try and have a bit of everything. But we're in a much better position than we would be with out anything. Maybe it'll help...but any kind of serious emergency that lasts more than 2-3 months, not sure what I'll do after that.

Whatever I can I guess ;) 

 

 

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:07 | 4125484 jon dough
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Thousands of years of PM's
Thousands of years of fiat

It's like...rocket science!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:09 | 4125487 Theta_Burn
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I'm holding out for titcoin myself, cause in this likely scenario a flash drive will come in handy...

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 05:24 | 4126028 Confused
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does titcoin get stored on a fleshdrive? 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:23 | 4125520 jomama
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homeboy straight looks like a mummy in #8.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:32 | 4125550 Hongcha
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I often repeat to myself a sentence I read on a Yahoo! mesage board;

"Money flows from the impatient to the patient."

My father was an impatient man and I never learned.  It took me a long time to even get a taste of the quality of that discipline.  I now believe it a key ingredient in a good life and a great stroke of fortune to be able to develop.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:44 | 4125577 Mike in GA
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Ditto.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:59 | 4125777 carlin401
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This is a dead give-away on the majority here, while they count there imaginary 'gold sheep' at night the FED drives the stock market ever higher,

While so many wait patiently for their gold to go to $5,000/oz, many people are making real money on real estate, maybe safe to say 100X, given folks could buy homes in 2008 for %3, and 10% down, and now see those homes go back up 4X,

While the majority of men chase their tails and beat their chest, and talk about 'gold in smoke filled rooms', ... there are men making a ton of money in the last 5 years, ...

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:18 | 4125811 IllusionOfChoice
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That money doesn't exist until you sell the paper. Do you see a lot of people stepping away and spending those earnings? Or is it more like a casino where you need to play one more hand?

Personally, the idea of the next correction concerns me too much to have faith in all that money getting made. It looks like a great ride, but it needs to come down to a bottom so it makes sense to get on.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:12 | 4133141 MeelionDollerBogus
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And then it get's Corzined.
http://youtu.be/4TlPo0yCSa4

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 05:29 | 4126036 constantine
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"While so many wait patiently for their gold to go to $5,000/oz, many people are making real money on real estate, maybe safe to say 100X, given folks could buy homes in 2008 for %3, and 10% down, and now see those homes go back up 4X, "

This sounds great, except that it is only true if you've been living in an alternate universe or are one of the 99% of internet posters that claim to buy and sell on the precise days of lows and highs.  Actually, even if you did that, you're numbers are a delusion. 

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:13 | 4133145 MeelionDollerBogus
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Almost NO one is.
Just a few insider traders. Almost everyone else went broke BEFORE the 2009 rise to present. They can't be in because $0 x x% = $0.
They're not making "real" money either. Dollars are NOT real money. They are debt. They will find soon they can't collect on that debt. It's that bad.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:40 | 4125567 Hongcha
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Thomas, I am a convinced every day of the intractable evil of the present regime.  It's going to cause a lot of suffering when it collapses but  if I am still around I will celebrate its demise.  It's death and consignment to history's graveyard is necessary for anything good to come back up.

The fact that said cabal does everything it can to obviate the truth about saving, gold, patience, industry and prudence and just about every other virtue that has guided good men forever ... is quite enough for me to decide to pursue them all.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 08:46 | 4126244 DanDaley
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When the regime goes away, it will be good, but it will also be like a 100-car crack-up on a foggy Florida highway; when the fog clears there will be a lot of death, pain, and mayhem to clean up. 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:46 | 4125579 quasimodo
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"Giant combines drive through the field plowing the dirt and sowing the seeds in one pass"

WTF farm did he see this take place? Love the guy but combines don't do those operations and only old man Jenkins pulls a five bottom plow these days anymore, if at all. The only plows I see are sitting in a grove holding down the dirt. 

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:13 | 4133146 MeelionDollerBogus
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Monsanto helps sell these machines. yes they do.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:59 | 4125619 MGA_1
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Dude - gold & silver are dead right now.  Come back in 2015,

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:50 | 4125761 carlin401
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I'm not so sure, gold seems to be on longer cycles between its bull's, we just saw the biggest gold bull in generation from 2000-2008, hadn't seen one prior since the 1970's, and before that a hell of a long time,

BUY-LOW and sell high, is the paradigm, ... looking for unwanted asset classes, like BUFFET, and it helps to OWN your local 'fascist government'.

In all of history, the doom&gloom guys never made big money, and they certainly never kept their money.

Smart guy's leave the table with their winning's early, and move on to other tables or other games.

We're now entering a dark age of hyper corporate fascism, the GS types will do fine, ... the little guy, the pension guy, the welfare ho, the convict will have a tough time, those that are in the biz of printing paper money will do fine, or a long fucking time,

Not to rock the boat, but look now, ... its always been said "DONT FIGHT THE FED", .. the fed is giving money away, and folks are buying more paper,...

Most people are in a deflationary world, only the GS types live in an inflationary world, ...

Yep the FED sucks, but guess what it has SUCKED COCK for 100 years and it seems to be still in power and doing just fine, the USA is the #1 killer in the world, and that power is behind the power of the US dollar, ...

If you can't fight them join them, ... and help run the country into the toilet, get your share, and have your 'galts gulch' at the ready, far from the USA.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 06:43 | 4126084 DirkDiggler11
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MGA - You are 100% correct, Gold and Silver ( with a bit of help from JPM via the Fed) are in fact dead as a door nail right now, exactly they way all governments around the world want them to be.

So, do you want to buy something when investor interest hence prices are low, or do you want to buy once Gold and Silver are the talk of the town and prices have already rocketed higher ?

May you like paying full price and even premium prices for shit, but I prefer to buy the same items when they are selling at a huge discount to their true value.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:14 | 4133152 MeelionDollerBogus
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EVERY dollar price for gold under 5000 is a huge discount to its true value.
If you're not buying now you are broke or don't know value.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:14 | 4133154 MeelionDollerBogus
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2014 though 2015 will still contain much of the rise.
Get AGQ calls for 2015 expiry near the money & hzu (tsx) shares (2x silver) are also very cheap now & will go easily to 64 in short order.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:01 | 4125632 StillSilence
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Wealth exists in many forms, but debt is not one.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:48 | 4126454 Quaderratic Probing
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Debt is an asset to the holder of the debt note, thats why the banks want us in debt

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:03 | 4125642 joego1
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Great article, I like the positive outlook!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:26 | 4125709 Quus Ant
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Greed and Fear being the driving forces behind markets- what a sad state of affairs!

Sad we're still fighting like dogs over scraps while we're surrounded by a world of abundance.  Sad we can't aspire to more. 

Peak imagination.

 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:12 | 4125749 carlin401
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What about GREED&FEAR of 'gold'???

No mention of that,but look at history, ... The run of gold had a 10 year run-up because of 'greed and fear', and its day is also over,

Just another guy trying to sell 'gold coin' or 'silver coin' at a premium price, ... move along.

Shit if owning gold made you rich, then all asians would be rich, ... they're not,

Most fortunes in the past century were made in real-estate, but you got to be in the right place at the right time,

That said its even harder to keep your fortune, ... stay aloof and be willing to move on, when your domicile becomes non-popular,

***

Funny how the 'greed and fear' can be applied to paper, but not tangibles, obviously folks here need to read 'grand popular delusions, and madness of the crowds'

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:14 | 4133158 MeelionDollerBogus
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So long as real estate & bonds are in the shitter, as they are now, gold can't go there too.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:48 | 4125755 Alpha Monkey
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Peak imagination.

I imagine a trough is more likely the case.  Shit's just getting started.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:54 | 4125767 carlin401
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Most of the people are wrong most of the time,

Every hairlip now knows that the 'FED' is the problem, but funny that hairlip still loves the $100 Ben Franklin notes, and so does most of the world.

Only when the $100 note becomes fire kindling, might we suggest we're near a trough, the truth be told the USA 'sadly' is on the crest of an imperial slaughter not seen since Rome.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:15 | 4133159 MeelionDollerBogus
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Abundance, where?
Not that I can see. You need less people to quantify the goods & resources availale as abundant.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:30 | 4125722 kito
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So what happens to the millions of public employees who rely on their pension funds? And the millions in the military/pentagon/defense industries? Maloney is naive to think it will be a massive collapse but then all will be well. The next collapse will be the next leg down. There are structural problems that cannot be overcome merely by cleansing the markets.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 02:12 | 4125886 W74
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The next collapse will not be like '08 which was merely economic.  It will be social and political.  I sense many http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zydokomuna will have their heads on pikes. 

And aside from all that if the illegitimate government in DC can't hold down Afghanistan, what makes them think they'll be able to subjugate Idaho?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:54 | 4125770 olto
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goldbugs

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:26 | 4125821 Notarocketscientist
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See from page 56 - 66 or so specifically what will happen when this thing blows:

http://www.feasta.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Trade-Off1.pdf

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:40 | 4125845 Manthong
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oh, let me guess.. they bought the paper GLD.

Rregardless, if they sold it before May or so 2011, they did OK.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 02:25 | 4125901 TradingTroll
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"Gold is going below $1000 sometime in the next few months"-Martin Armstrong

(correctly predicted 1987 crash, Nikkei top at 39,000, and subsequent Nikkei bottom at 8,000)

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 05:38 | 4126042 constantine
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Martin Armstrong is a fraud.  If you read what he was posting out of prison in 2010, he was calling for higher gold prices and rapidly rising Asian currencies.  Do you really believe a guy that constantly ridicules conspiracy theorists only to follow that up by making a claim that WTC building 7 was collapsed, in part, to destroy evidence regarding his case?  He knows how to layer multiple predictions in order to cover all the bases.  By the time he's done, there's no way he can be wrong.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 06:52 | 4126091 DirkDiggler11
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Great, I hope Martin is correct with Gold selling below $1,000. I look forward to being able to buy more when it goes on sale for an even lower price !

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:15 | 4133160 MeelionDollerBogus
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no, gold will be 3500 within 18 months.
Then gold will drop to 2500 a year after.
This is in line with prior peaks & dips, same % up, same % down, and the time line is expanding to take longer each time.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 04:55 | 4126016 devo
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This guy has lost a lot of people a lot of money

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 06:15 | 4126063 999.9
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"It is when stocks and real estate are bottoming that I intend to sell my gold and silver and buy up as much true wealth as I can."
Not good, this means that gold and silver aren't true wealth to you.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 06:22 | 4126066 Sufiy
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Taper Anyone? China, Interest Expense On The U.S. Debt Outstanding And Gold.


 US Dollar is running wild today trying to understand the FED's talk. "We will taper at some point data permitting, but will keep ZIRP until 2016 now" - with this kind of double talk from the both sides of the mouth anyone can get confused very soon. What is the best cure from the Taper Impulsive Disorder?  - Higher Interest Rates.ZeroHedge reports that they are moving up fast with the first sign of Taper confusion in the headlines and below you can find the reason why it is impossible to Taper anything now.    Amount of US debt is so huge at 17.1 Trillion, that interest expense is second largest after 2011 even with record low interest rates and stands at 415.7 B by the end of October 2103. Now double it and apply to US Economy general statistics, then do the same after listening to John Williams from shadowstatistics.com about the real numbers. We guess that Chinese have run these numbers long time ago and buying all physical Gold now they can get. http://sufiy.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/taper-anyone-china-interest-expense-on.html#

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:14 | 4127668 RaceToTheBottom
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I thought Taper and interest rate manipulation were two different things.  I did not see them as the same.

Might not matter as they will have real trouble Tapering anything, and interest rates increases may be forced on them....

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 07:02 | 4126102 diogeneslaertius
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if you can't hold it, you don't own it.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 07:29 | 4126137 gatorengineer
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between now an friday gold will move $50.  No question.  Bad jobs report $1350 or better.  Good jobs report $1250 place your bets black or red.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 08:22 | 4126196 tawse57
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Why not buy gold and silver miners if the gold and silver prices are going to soar? Surely the miners would soar if the metals soared?

Serious question so serious answer please.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:15 | 4126838 jmcadg
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Why chase the best gain? This is still paper. This is at risk of nationilsation.

An important point to understand is counterparty risk.

Like any paper asset, it's value is only when you cash it in.

What happens when everyone wants to sell?

In the same way if you hold paper gold. Can you imagine how you would liquidate this in a rush? You won't be able to.

Your broker will have cleared his desk. Your trading account will be offline etc etc.

Get your physical and then wait knowing you have it. You might have to own a wet suit too, but get that now also!

 

PS. You might have to wait a while yet, but live life until then and stack accordingly.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:16 | 4133164 MeelionDollerBogus
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surely not.
Watch agq, hzu, 2x silver funds, and watch the miners.
The miners are NOT performing in line with the metals while the etf's are.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 08:47 | 4126247 Its_the_economy...
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here's the thing. during that very brief period when monetary metals hit their zenith, how does one convert them into currency to buy undervalued assets when the government is competing for said metals with guns and jail time in the offing?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 20:16 | 4133165 MeelionDollerBogus
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#1 quietly
#2 direct metal for goods

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:10 | 4126544 Son of Captain Nemo
Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:08 | 4126800 F.A. Hayek
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Do gold bugs see more value in coins, ingot or does it not matter, and why?

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 13:51 | 4131605 MeelionDollerBogus
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should not really matter.
However if you want to sell early for dollars / paper / electrons you may want to hold what others will buy who are not gold bugs. What you want is the format they want, and the purity that is investment grade.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 15:09 | 4127903 pob
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Mike Maloney's Top 10 Reasons To Buy Gold & Silver

 

Reason number 1 Mike Maloney is selling gold & silver

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 13:30 | 4131565 MeelionDollerBogus
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http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui?s=$gold&p=D&yr=2&mn=6&dy=4&id=p86368261051
I have no palladium holdings.
But if I did given the slam down in gold, silver, platinum, it looks like those who held palladium & want dollars for it are doing OK.
http://scharts.co/1hQ2yd2

(replace $gold with $silver $plat in long URL to check others)

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