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Trulia Pushes The Panic Button As Young Adults Refuse To Move Out Of Parents' Basements, Get Jobs

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Well over a year ago, we first suggested that the conventional wisdom thesis for the bounce in home prices - namely a spurt in household formation - was dead wrong. Sure enough, as has been confirmed empirically, the only reason for the latest dead cat bounce in home prices has been the Fed, and banks complicit in engaging in "foreclosure stuffing." And while it was easy to deflect the topic of just what is driving the housing market (because none of the bulls would want to admit it is just another credit and liquidity-driven bubble) for over a year, with the traditional "things will be back to normal soon" fall back used every time, as time passed and none of the traditional ingredients for a housing recovery fell into place, some started scratching their heads. This came to a boiling point today, when real-estate firm Trulia, looking at the latest Census Bureau data on household formation, finally threw in the towel and rang the panic button as not only have young Americans set anchor in their parents' basement, but even refuse to get a job.

That, and the "foreclosure stuffing" of course, with 53% of vacant homes helf off the market, "the highest share since before the bubble."

Below, courtesy of Bloomberg, is the summary of what Trulia chief economist Jed Kolko wrote in a note.

  • Census 3Q homeownership, vacancy survey shows household formation “alarmingly slow,” vacancies “remain stubbornly high,” Trulia chief economist Jed Kolko writes in note.
  • "Slow household formation number is one of the most alarming housing indicators to come out this year"
  • Share of millennials living with their parents rose to 31.6% vs 31.4% y/y
  • Household formation 380k in yr leading up to 3Q vs L-T “normal” increase of 1.1m
  • No increase over past yr in young adults moving out of parents homes or getting jobs is “most worrying”
  • Vacant homes still pose “problem” for recovery
  • 53% of vacant homes were held off mkt in 3Q, highest share since before bubble
  • 10.2% of all housing units are vacant, unchanged y/y, higher than pre-bubble level of 8.9% in 3Q 2001

And yet:

  • Oct. Trulia price, rent monitors show asking prices rose 0.6% m/m in Oct., prices up 11.7% y/y, rents up 2.7% y/y

Why? Just ask Mr. Chairwoman. After all Mr. Chairwoman has been rumored (wrongly) to be very oracular when foreseeing housing bubbles. Like last time supposedly.

 

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Tue, 11/05/2013 - 16:12 | 4123875 LetThemEatRand
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So it's true that most people who post on message boards live in their parents' basements.   I knew it!  

Mom, shut up.  I'll take the trash out later. I'm busy.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 16:18 | 4123894 Skateboarder
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West coasters aint got no basements. We take over the whole damn house. Hail to the hordes!

(I live with my folks because I love them and vice versa, plus half my salary goes home anyway)

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:03 | 4124100 icanhasbailout
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Getting a job doesn't get you out of the parents' basement, that's the problem here.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:24 | 4124190 Popo
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Well, exactly what was the plan? That houses could continue to get infinitely more expensive, and young people would just suck it up and borrow whatever absurd amount was necessary to buy a shitbox?

Of course you can't keep raising the price of something forever without demand plunging. Did economists just figure this out?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:56 | 4124364 economics9698
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You know being in my 50s should not disqualify me from moving back into my mom’s house.  We have laws on the books preventing age discrimination.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:06 | 4125084 Surly Bear
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Mom! Bathroom!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 22:11 | 4125296 spinone
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Go Away!  Baitin!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:13 | 4125495 Skateboarder
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Punkass high school kid just came to my door and gave me the forced newspaper subscription speech that you can't get out of once engaged in. Upon enumerating all the options for me, I said "how about 5 bucks?" and he says everyone else been giving him 10. So I pull out my cash, see 20, 10, 5, 5, 1, 1, and he's trying to snatch that other five as I hand him the first one. Motherfucker!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:29 | 4125536 TruthInSunshine
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The Fed has tried to engineer a stuff-the-banks-with-excess-reserves-to-their-gills so as to allow them to keep delinquent and foreclosed dwellings off the market en masse (releasing a very slow trickle).

Fannie & Freddie have helped to keep vacant dwellings off the market, too.

If the vacant residential units, let alone currently vacant plus should-be-vacant (i.e. the occupied but non-paying mortgages), were to be released at anything remotely resembling market clearing levels, the residential real estate market would deflate by 40% at a minimum within 2 years - and possibly a greater % - and those who bought homes in the last 5 years would be flipped so hard & fast on their "equity" that they'd think they had been water boarded.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:35 | 4125730 markmotive
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Look north of the border. The situation is way worse in Canada. Parents are giving kids tens of thousands so they can GTFO to buy an over-priced crack shack.

The Million Dollar Crack Shack:

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/05/the-million-dollar-crack-shack-man...

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 07:27 | 4126135 GetZeeGold
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I'll take the fairy pixie dust job that doesn't exist because of your asinine policies....so where do I report?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:49 | 4125756 CheapBastard
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In the 1980's Housing Crash banks foreclosed, evicted and prices corrected downward a bout 30-40% and people bought them up to live in, not to rent or Flip out by the hundreds.

Families [who could afford the new prices] bougth these correctly priced homes and the housing market completely recovered in 3-5 years with real owners and real families living within their means in houses that reverted to the mean. [And the Dean of Princeton said over 750 bankers an dfinancial fraudsters were jailed]

Here we are almost 10 years after the beginning of the crash (2006) and it has only gotten worse. Fewer can afford a house, zero downs [or near zero downs] saturate the market, and the average American is up to his neck in debt.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:42 | 4125847 TruthInSunshine
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Fruit of the poisonous tree = byproduct of central planning pollution

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:59 | 4125869 Thin_Ice
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Boom and bust, boom and bust. That is what the cycle used to be. But since the '08 bust, there has been no boom, hardly a whimper.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 02:09 | 4125882 F-Tipp
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If living at home means less welfare being dispensed, I'll take the lesser of the two shitty evils.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 02:32 | 4125907 HardAssets
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Never flash your cash in front of someone who can run faster than you.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 03:19 | 4125944 Skateboarder
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Ex marathon runner, 5 minute mile on demand, even to this day of no running and only skating. I'll rough up a guy if needed, but I won't beat him up for something like stealing money from me. Hitting a girl or something like that on the other hand...

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:04 | 4133339 spinone
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Five minute mile starting ....NOW

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 03:40 | 4125962 edotabin
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" Baitin' "

 

LOL!!! +100

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 22:14 | 4125304 Jeremy Roenick
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Mom!    Meatloaf!   ....    Meatloaf!

 

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:29 | 4125542 Falconsixone
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I'd move in to my parents basement but then I'd have to take care of them (Slackers). Any "experts" checking on parents living in childrens murphy beds? I wish my kids would move back. I miss the constant drama, broken things  and wading threw a mess.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 03:29 | 4125954 drunkenlout
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"laws on the books preventing age discrimination"

They kick in when you're 59 and a half, but you don't get the whole loaf until you're 67.  NB:  subject to revision, as you near those ages.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:42 | 4124759 icanhasbailout
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> Of course you can't keep raising the price of something forever without demand plunging. Did economists just figure this out?

 

I had top professional economists and mortgage brokers look at me like I had two heads and an IQ under ten between them for asking that same question, back in 2005.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:37 | 4125187 Imminent Crucible
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"It's difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his NOT understanding it."

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 04:37 | 4126005 Ghordius
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+1 in Europe the portion of their income people are willing to spend for shelter - be it for renting or buying - is one of the most remarkably constant figures

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:22 | 4124916 therover
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Shitbox. I vote for that to become an industry standard term. 

 

"Hey honey. Joe from Century 21 called and he said there are a few nice shitboxes we can look at on Sunday"

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:41 | 4125570 James-Morrison
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It is hard to imagine anyone putting shit in a box. 

I have seen pet owners shitbag, but never shitbox.

Maybe it is an East Coast vs West Coach thing...

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 03:38 | 4125961 Oliver Jones
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Our family used to call the stamp-'em-out-all-identical new homes in the UK "SBSBs" - or "Standard British Shit Boxes".

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:46 | 4125211 Bangin7GramRocks
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It worked that way for awhile. I used to watch these homes shows during the first bubble where a 40 year old doctor had to scrape to buy an $800,000 "mid-century" 1,500 sq ft. shit box. I was amused thinking what the fuck were the teachers and plumbers living in? Shipping container?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 22:57 | 4125435 grid-b-gone
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It's not just young people reconsidering how much of their lives they want to dedicate to shelter.

http://littlehouseonthehill.weebly.com/

The industry is trying to restart the good thing they had going until 2008. What they may not realise is that the '08 shock created a reevaluation. It also drove home the idea that RE does not always go up.

And there need not be a lowering of standards. Smaller often comes with higher quality and energy efficiency.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg-9_ld4uhY

And yes, the shipping container is not just a joke. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4drX256QV_Y

There is a very real movement by young people to side-step traditional builders, banks, and contractors for obvious reasons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-yokEKWi0k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7njaiLK-lw

 

LOL, and it's happening to boats, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIcGLjjOOb0

 

 

 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 06:40 | 4126078 Wahooo
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How long will it finally take for the myth of homeownership to be busted and the industry to get downsized. There are no financial advantages to owning a home. It's a scam.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:24 | 4124193 outamyeffinway
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Seems the same thing is happening in Japan. Looks like the "new economy" is causing despondency across the globe. Should make for a bright future.

 

"Hey kids, work your asses off, get very little for it and watch rich people get richer! You'll have no retirement but the bread is good!"

 

What a bargain.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:40 | 4124270 fockewulf190
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They will take the bread away as well, and then wonder why Johnny ran amok with his AK and saved the last slug for the back of his throat.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:51 | 4124316 akak
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Wanting a rewarding and even semi-fulfilling life, or any semblance or degree of physical and financial self-reliance, as opposed to being a regimented, low-wage (or no-wage) drone under the constant and total surveillance and control of the state, will soon automatically be considered "anti-social terrorism".

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 22:14 | 4125306 phoolish
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New Economy - New Slavery

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 03:00 | 4125933 HardAssets
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People will be slaves, if they allow themselves to be slaves. Nothing can be done without the co-operation of the population.

Their parents and grandparents may be cowards (who think they are grasping on to something). But I wonder if young people will go along with it so readily. Will propaganda trump self interest and the will to survive ?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:59 | 4124832 SWRichmond
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Let them eat brioche.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:11 | 4124876 HelluvaEngineer
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Hmmmmmmm...wonder if this is all that pull forward shit come home to roost.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:58 | 4125611 Freddie
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Europe has been like this forever.  People have a three story house where all the generations live.

Young people in the USSA by a fairly large majority voted for this aka to make their life shit - probably forever.  

Deal with it.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:00 | 4124608 vortmax
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As if wages for young people aren't bad enough, for many it's impossible to even rent a crackerbox studio apartment after Uncle Sam's cut for taxes, Obamacare, and defaulted student loan wage garnishments.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:00 | 4124837 donsluck
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Only an idiot would opt for higher education in the current degree bubble, unless one has a firm idea how to make it pay. Unless you are already rich, of course.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:50 | 4125015 hankwil74
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Wayyyy too simplistic.  Only an idiot would choose a private education.  There is nothing wrong with going to a community college for 2 years and then finishing up at a state school, all while working and leaving yourself with no debt.  

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:17 | 4125114 bigrooster
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Amen brother!  That is exactly what I did.  To say that you don't need a degree is idiotic.  Most 100k+ will not even interview you if you do not have a 4 year degree.  I should know I interview 40+ people a year.

Is it a good idea to go to Harvard and take out 200k in student loans?  Hell no.  I had about 10k in student debt after earning a 4 year degree and had that paid off 4 years after graduation.  Can you make 100k+ without a degree, of course.  My brother is a high school graduate and is a line man for a huge electric company making over 100k.  The point is that you need a skill of some kind.  So all you assholes who bash higher education go fuck yourself.  You are probably poor fucks who regret your choices in life.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:24 | 4125145 mayhem_korner
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But don't assume that a degree makes one smart or useful...nor does it portend barter-able skills in the event the fiat-based "economy" goes the way of Gomorrah.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:59 | 4125244 Parrotile
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Depends entirely on the subject choice. STEM  degrees are certainly "harder" in terms of graduation requirements, but the commensurate utility value (and so revenue capacity) is higher too.

On the flip side - learning a Trade can produce a far better ROI, especially if you live in a Country where the Government has mandated a  "Licenced" Tradesman monopoly on services (e.g. Australia), and there's the opportunity to use your skills where there is a demand - such as the current "Mining Boom" down under.

Even local Electricians seem to be living VERY well thank you (at least going by the size of housing, number and size of "Big Boys Toys", and suchlike), which is interesting, and may be of relevance to the future of educational "need" in the West.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 08:28 | 4126208 jerry_theking_lawler
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Then, when you get a 'real' job in private industry that physically creates wealth, and you prove yourself as worthy, maybe they will pay for your advanced education, which you can pursue on your own time......again, keeping you debt free....and productive.

 

well, that is the model I took....then I talk to my friends in the public system, they had large loans, the .gov paid off some or most of it, pays them huge sums of money, sends them back to school and gives them time away from work to pursue advanced degrees. The moral of the story....I'm the fucking sucker because of my beliefs that I would be rewarded for my hard work producing true value.....my outlook is changing though after reading Ayn....may let these true 'suckers' have it very soon. (and after dealing with fucking lazy idiots over the last few years industry, what comes next is going to be GRAND).

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:19 | 4124903 doctor10
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lessee now-a "job" doesn't pay for college, doesn't pay for a house-WTF work?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:32 | 4124944 XenoFrog
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Baby boomers want to blame all this on the young people who "won't" go get jobs.

 

Too bad they can't go get jobs because all the baby boomers refuse to or can't retire.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:44 | 4124988 Bobbyrib
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That and they outsourced all the white collar jobs.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 22:03 | 4125265 Vendetta
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I don't know anyone who 'voted' for the so-called 'free trade agreements' ... in fact, there seems to be very few who actually understand its implications but there are plenty who seem to defend them vigorously though they have not demonstrated a particularly deep understanding of what they support.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:00 | 4125630 Freddie
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Bill Clinton and Al Gore spearedheaded the free trade agreement while Ross PErot warned us and debated idiot Gore on it.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:29 | 4125719 americanreality
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Bullshit.  NAFTA was Bush senior's work.  Signed by Clinton, yes, but Bush did all the work.  Two parties my ass. 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:02 | 4125070 cynicalskeptic
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Baby boomers are finding out that Mom and Dad from the 'Greatest Generation' ran through all their savings before dying - big disappointment when that expected inheritance turns out to be zero.   

Baby boomers are also finding out that the IRA's and 401K's made Wall Street money but left them waaaay short in retirement savings (if there's anything left)

Baby boomers are dealing with their kids having to pay 5-10 times more for college - and hosting their kids for another decade at home after they end up un or under employed at graduation

Any Baby boomers that haven't lost theirjobs are hanging on for dear life because they NEED the continued income.   

 

And if you've done everything right you're STILL screwed because there's NO SAFE PLACE for your savings which are losing value daily with 0.0000001% interest and vastly understated inflation.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:27 | 4125154 TheMerryPrankster
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i just call it Life, the game that even if you win, you lose. Don't take it too serious you won't be here forever.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:10 | 4125491 olto
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skateboarder, icanhasbailout, and Popo

the same bot?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:39 | 4124262 SamAdams
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I could never live with my parents as I can only tolerate about an hour of Messianic Jew delusional ramblings.  I mean, seriously, this is the most confused religion ever.  You cannot be a Jew and a Christian at the same time.  These are mutually exclusive.  Aye..

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:47 | 4124310 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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"You cannot be a Jew and a Christian at the same time."

 

What was Jesus?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:51 | 4124335 akak
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Largely fictional?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:57 | 4124367 The Devil
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My gardner?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:40 | 4124745 prains
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----he was the slient H variant, good man nonetheless

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:04 | 4124846 The Devil
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I know I get down votes for being the devil but that was still funny.

 

If it makes you feel better Jesus beat me in arm wrestling just recently.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:44 | 4124987 Terminus C
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Is that you Lloyd?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 22:06 | 4125271 e_goldstein
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Jaime (and that's why he's richer than you).

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:45 | 4124986 Rusty Shorts
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The letter "J" is a very recent addition to the English alphabet, to wit...

 

In English, 'j' most commonly represents the affricate /d?/ (as in 'jet'). In Old English the phoneme /d?/ was represented orthographically as 'cg' or 'c?'.[5] Under the influence of Old French, which had a similar phoneme deriving from Latin /j/, English scribes began to use 'i' (later 'j') to represent word-initial /d?/ of Old English (for example, 'iest' later 'jest'), while using 'dg' elsewhere (for example, 'hedge').[5] Later many other uses of 'i' (later 'j') were added in loanwords from French and other languages (e.g. 'adjoin', 'junta'). The first English-language book to make a clear distinction between 'i' and 'j' was published in 1633

 

 - Wiki

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:12 | 4124428 TBT or not TBT
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More likely like JFK, or El Che, a real person re-remembered and mythologized by prominent thought leaders a generation or two after their deaths.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:55 | 4124817 insanelysane
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He was a rebel that the establishment nailed to a cross for his words whilst actual criminals roamed the streets.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:47 | 4124994 Bobbyrib
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From what I read about JFK, he was an establishment liberal.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:51 | 4124339 DaveyJones
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somebody who pissed off some important people

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:33 | 4124512 Hedgetard55
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Jesus (means "God saves") had no natural father, but had a legal father, Joseph ("add a Son"), who was of the tribe of Judah. Jesus natural mother was Mary.  This is why he is called "The Lion of the tribe of Judah" and the "Son of David".

 

His real Father was God, as Scripture says he was conceived by the Holy Spirit.

Jesus therefore is a figure of the Word, or Scriptures, flesh ("letter") on the outside, spirit ("allegory") on the inside. He is the son of David in the spiritual sense because David means "Love of God" and the Word is given to us because of God's love for us.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:47 | 4125003 Terminus C
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Why does this whole comment remind me of George Carlin's, "...but he loves you!"

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:20 | 4125128 walküre
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There were plenty men during the days of Roman occupation who practised and preached what was later collected by scribes and is now officially known as "Christ". The "teachings of Christ" were never just the figment of just one man's imagination in my humble opinion. Fascinating for a time, but let's move on and get on with it already. Many more good men were around since then and their works aren't being reflected upon worldwide for an hour or so once a week. Too bad because mankind would have probably achieved a higher mental state and society than the so called theological cesspool we got going on now.

I'd go to church if they taught and educated the plebs about the question where money comes from. Nevermind the absurd theology that either man was created by one god or that man evolved over billions of years from goo. Church is boring and so repetitive. There's no growth and maybe that's what the preachers actually want. Stupid people don't ask questions.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 22:12 | 4125293 DirkDiggler11
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You get out of a church service exactly what you put into it.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:51 | 4125764 CvlDobd
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How does one net out with the $10 they put in the collection plate?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:14 | 4125804 WOAR
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That's easy. You are insuring that there is a place for you to go when there are hard times for YOU.

Would you rather see a world without soup kitchens? The Salvation Army got it's name SOMEHOW, you know...

Or, do you prefer EBT?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:52 | 4124799 booboo
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He was only half Jew, moms side, his brothers were full Jews since their dad was Joseph.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:20 | 4124900 HelluvaEngineer
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An ass kicker who also chewed bubble gum?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:23 | 4125143 scrappy
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Many of us might be of the twelve lost tribes of Israel. (13 if you are picky)

http://www.british-israel.ca/israel.htm

http://www.giveshare.org/israel/judah/part3ch02.html

http://www.giveshare.org/israel/judah/

http://www.giveshare.org/israel/

The Lord Works in Mysterious Ways.

Ironic ZHrs

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 22:25 | 4125342 Suisse
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British Israelism is a crock.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 07:32 | 4126141 GetZeeGold
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My drivers license says I'm a Caucasian.....what the hell does that mean?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 07:50 | 4126152 Ghordius
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it means that you live in a place where genetic origins are important. presented without comment, just as acknowledgment of fact

reminds me of a friend that married a South African. birth certificate caused lots of problems because there was no mention of who the parents were, only a certification of race. he jokes that he is such a racists that he would only marry a certified white girl

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 07:53 | 4126157 Ghordius
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btw, for the ancient Greeks Caucasus was one of the pillars of the earth. so don't shrug, sibling of Atlas

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:44 | 4133462 spinone
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A mythological anthophomorphosis of astrological pagan worship (jeasus dies on the solstice, as the sun seems to die on the horizon...http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&add...)

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:09 | 4124637 Tall Tom
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"You cannot be a Jew and a Christian at the same time.  These are mutually exclusive."

 

No. They are mutually congruent. Jesus, as a Jew, said that he did not come to abolish the Law (the Mosaic Law) but came to fulfill it.

 

That it sounds like confusion to you demonstrates that you do not believe it and actually fulfills one of the proclamations of the Wriiten Text.

 

Being a Jew means that one is a descendant of Judah, one of the Twelve sons of Jacob (Israel). Judaism is a race and not a Religion.

 

I almost envy you in a sense. Since you are of Jewish descent (you are, right?) you can reject Christianity and Christ. You can be an atheist. You have license to do anything. You can kill millions if you so desire.

 

But you have got THE GOLDEN TICKET. You still go to Heaven. For it is written that ALL Israel will be saved.  Since your parents read the Bible then they should know this. They should be at complete peace with your rejection...since they believe it.

 

So...TO GET ALONG WITH YOUR PARENTS...(since you shall honor your Father and Mother...)

 

First: Let them bring the topic of Jesus up. (They will.)

Next: Ask them if they really and TRULY BELIEVE what they are Preaching.

Following that: Open the Bible and READ aloud to them Romans 11:25-30

Then explain to them that since you are a Jew then it does not matter if you are an atheist, that on the "slight possibility" that you are mistaken, you will still be saved.

(Personally I believe that there are Overwhelming odds that you are mistaken. But...Setting that aside...as it does not address the problem.)

Tell them that if they are really "TRUE BELIEVERS" of God's Word then they need to BE AT PEACE KNOWING THAT.

Finish up by reading Ephesians 6:4 ("Fathers do not exasperate your children...") Then tell them that you do not want to talk about it anymore.

THEY WILL BACK OFF. TRUST ME. THEY WILL BACK OFF. Most reading this instruction will not engage me in conversation about this.

Lucky you. You have a GOLDEN TICKET. As a Gentile my path was not that much more difficult. I just had to believe it. First it was by Faith. Today it is by EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, by SIGHT.

 

But you...You do not even have to believe as it will be demonstrated to you in the end.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:54 | 4124811 Miztli Raiser
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Being a Christian zionist.. That's what is mutually exclusive!! And also the most stupid thing ever..

I have no problem with good Christians, Jews and Muslims. But the zionist scum man.. Those bastards own big banks, big corporations and kill and impoverish people by millions.. Thay caused this crisis in the first place with their egoistic individualism they promoted, based on flawed economic theories, so everyone is trying to loot each other..

We are so fkn screwed..

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:44 | 4125201 jballz
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Bankers sold the stigma and surprisingly the dickhead congregation here still hangs on it. God forbid you live with your family. Get out there and share three paper thin walls or a chunk of AstroTurf with asshole strangers you can't trust while paying 90% of balance
As interest each month to your bailed out banker. that's the american way dammit.

If your parents have a basement and you aren't living in it, you're probably part of the problem. Or a sucker.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 07:04 | 4126109 Jannn
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Biggest Dutch Food Delivery Service Accepts Bitcoin

http://koosjansen.blogspot.nl/2013/11/biggest-dutch-food-delivery-servic...

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 16:29 | 4123951 TheReplacement
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Sorry ma forgot to take out the trash:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol2EKnAdVEA

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 16:32 | 4123963 Gringo Viejo
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How's that Etnic Studies degree workin' out for ya now?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 16:37 | 4123980 Budd aka Sidewinder
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"Ma, the meatloaf....FUCK!"

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 16:46 | 4124002 Gringo Viejo
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Actually, I feel badly for the grads AND their parents.
They bought into the propaganda meme of "gotta have it to get ahead" when in reality, colleges and universities of today are no more than a cottage industry scam.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 16:51 | 4124024 Groundhog Day
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Over at Rutgers, the dorm rooms are like hotel suites now and most campuses are like little cities.  Very different from what i remember.  The loans are paying off for everyone (professors, contractors, administrators etc) except the college grads

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 16:53 | 4124039 Gringo Viejo
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+ 100 Groundhog.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:20 | 4124166 Jack Burton
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Indeed Groundhog. Much of college is a scam. The university is there to provide a nice easy well paid life for staff. They use dorms and sports and the party life to attract kids to pay huge sums for dubious educations. The kids do not care. They have drugs, boose. sex and wild fucking parties all the time, with no parents to put a stop to it. What is NOT to like. Kids eat that shit up! they are in fucking heaven, in more ways than one!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:25 | 4124682 twh99
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Do you even have college age kids?  There might be some kids that ar doing drugs, booze, sex and wild parties, but that is a minority.  Perhaps in the public schools.

I have two in college at the moment and I can tell you that they both work hard on their education.  In fact I have to encourage them to get out and have some fun.  But if I ever heard they were wasting my money I would pull the plug and they know it.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:37 | 4124735 Real Estate Geek
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Your second paragraph made me laugh--thanks!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:04 | 4125072 CheapBastard
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"But Dad, working makes my brain hurt."

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 00:40 | 4125744 Jack Burton
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Don't assume your experiece is universal. Yes, I have had kids in college. I do not judge the university system by what two kids did or didn't do. I jusge it by the broader whole. It's called reality.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:21 | 4124174 eatthebanksters
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Trulia and Zillow killer...in the SF/Bay Area only:   tumlis.com

check it out...these guys are winning the hearts and minds of the agents who are totally unhappy with T & Z and have an entirely new and different business model.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 21:08 | 4125086 ParkAveFlasher
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You can have my offer now, tumlis.com.  NOTHING.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:11 | 4124131 seek
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Yup. I sat down with my daughter and a handful of recent studies showing the (negative) payoff of student loans and degree programs. It wasn't a very hard sell to get her into a no-loan community college program over the debt slave university program, once she realized she would be paying interest for the rest of her life for a few years of "party school."

She's working 30 hours a week plus college, no debt, and will be way ahead of her peers financially. I don't mind springing for the occasional treat for her considering how much is being saved.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:20 | 4124170 Miffed Microbio...
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Our younger daughter is doing this as well. She is fully paying for community college on her 30 hr/ week job working at a local liquor store. We agreed to pay for her gas because we felt it wasn't her fault we live so far away. She has managed her finances quite well and the seedy side of her job keeps her motivated to excel in her studies. Things are very tough for the under 30 crowd. Far worse than we faced at that age.

Miffed:-)

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:12 | 4124427 11b40
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I did the same thing in the 60's-70's.  College costs was a lot less, but so were wages.  Work-study program at a Junior College, then transferred to a State University and worked all the way through.  Never did I NOT have a job.  I also did not have a car much of the first couple of years.  Along the way, I would stop when I ran out of money, and work full time until I had enough to start back again.  

I was not alone, either.  There were plenty of guys and girls working their way through. It never even crossed my mind to borrow money, and it took over 8 years to get that 4 year degree....but that included almost 3 years I gave to Uncle Sam & a year of bumming around Europe.

When I graduated, I was a Division Manager for a Department Store chain, and immediately offered a job at the corporate office, which I took and hit the management fast track.  4 years later, I walked away from the corporate world and started working for myself & never looked back.  I also stayed single until I was 30 and had an unbelievablely large time, but now married to my only wife for 36 years.

I would NEVER go into debt for a college degree, unless possibly the graduate level of a professional degree.  My advice to young people today who struggle with this dilemma is to find a trade you enjoy, master it, and start your own business.  The guy who owns the garage where I keep my cars maintained is one of the happiest people I know.  In addition to the garage, he brokers luxury cars and boats, and filpped houses when that was cool.

For him, the word 'outsourced' means jobs he has to give to someone else because his guys are too busy.  Same for Electricians, Plumbers, Heating & Air, Master Masons, Carpenters, Mechanics & Chefs......it's all about the hustle.  Either you got it, or you don't.  If you don't, going into debt up to your eyeballs is about as dumb as it gets.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:39 | 4124740 Herd Redirectio...
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Shit, I should just become a Master Mason.  What could go wrong?  Oh, whats this, I have to learn from a Master Mason to become one, and the wage offered to an apprentice is the same as I would get at Tim Horton's?

Those who go into trades will likely do well for themselves over the next 20-30 years.  But its not some sort of instant nirvana.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:19 | 4125813 WOAR
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Master Masons get paid?!? WHERE'S MAH CHECK!?!?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:27 | 4126356 11b40
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Instant nirvana?  Hmmm.  Maybe we are starting to learn more about the problem here.

Instant nirvanna in the workplace.  Is that supposed to be a joke?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:52 | 4124554 TBT or not TBT
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The MOOCs will likely be an even better investment.   They couldn't have happened to a nicer buncha people than our comfy faculty lounge animals and even worse cousins, the goddamned administrator parasites.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:15 | 4124651 Freddie
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Sounds like a good plan because it was the plan I used.  The job at the liquor stores does not sound too good.   They can be dangerous places.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:40 | 4124749 Miffed Microbio...
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We worry all the time about her Freddie. So far, being a buxom blond working for Chaldeans has been her biggest challenge. Another motivation to stay in school. My children are fiercely independent but we do try to warn them of dangers. I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:56 | 4125047 Suisse
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Maybe when she graduates from school they will increase her hours from part time, to part time hours just under the obamacare hour limit. Nearly all of my fellow recent graduate friends are doing absolutely nothing productive and are planning on "going back to school" or something similar. I hope she stays safe. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 06:29 | 4126073 americanreality
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Buxom blonde?  So she's fat?  Big bosomed?  Odd and/or creepy way to describe your daughter.  

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 07:16 | 4126125 Tortfeasor
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Less creepy if Miffed is the mom?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 02:56 | 4125931 SmackDaddy
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Can you really 'excel' at a community college?  Quit fucking kidding yourself.  I know youre dumb shit if you think it's a good idea for a young ass white girl (your daughter, no less) to work in a liquor store.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 04:05 | 4125984 drunkenlout
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Workling a long list of min-wage jobs was a big lesson during my six years of college.  Later, when I had 200 employees, most of the valuable things I had learned were from the years of being on the bottom end of the wage scale.  

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:11 | 4124134 RafterManFMJ
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You feel bad? I don't.

I feel bad for a family that loses child in an auto crash, for the kid that loses his mother to cancer at a young age...

Feel bad for willing morons who purposely impoverished and enslaved themselves?

For some dumbass who co-signed for Junior's 100K in debt and who is now on the receiving end of a default on the student loan?

Naw, just some one you can point at and give a Nelson 'Haw Haw!."

A fool and his money are something something.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 01:20 | 4125814 RECISION
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Good on you...

Must be nice to know that you are so much smarter than all the dumb schmucks that got caught in that trap.

Altho, I wonder how long it will take for the trap to close on you too...

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 02:08 | 4125879 RafterManFMJ
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You are GODDAMN right, good on me. Good on all of us who worked, saved, farmed and played by the rules - and a hearty FUCK YOU socialist fuck, crying your crocadile tears for those that 'just didn't know' and who 'got trapped.'

God you make me fucking sick.

Cut a check, cunt, from your own account to some simple SOB who is 75K in debt for student loans for that HR degree... post the canceled check here on the 'hedge.

You say you're a moron? FUCK YOU, PAY ME! You say you didn't realize African Basket Weaving wouldn't lead to a job? FUCK YOU! PAY ME!

Someday creatures like you will be forced to take resposibility for their actions, and the way we're going, it'll likely be at the end of a bayonet.

 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 08:13 | 4126180 RECISION
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You seem to imagine that somehow you are going to get out of this clusterfuck alive - that somehow your wonderous virtue is going to save you.

Sorry sucker, you are going to get mown down just like all the rest of us.

and p.s.   You don't know fuck-all about me, so instead of being a loudmouth why don't you take some time to learn a little humility.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 21:13 | 4129216 RafterManFMJ
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I don't presume to speak for the walking dead, nor to ameliorate their wounds, like you do.

Fact is this that produce though labor and effort are fed upon.

Fact is, the Nation and this economy is a lie.

Fact is, the sweet whispers in your ear by .gov are naught but lies, from the Father of Lies.

If you believed the lies, and bought in that is a failure of your own IQ and character - every lie from SS to the value of a degree to offshoring... The lies rain down like a storm or acidic hail.

If you bought into the lies...

The market always goes up
Housing always goes up
100k in school loans will lead to a great job and a middle class
Life
Blowing apart brownskins in the ME keeps our precious democracies safe...

Whatever lies you've swallowed are in fact YOUR FAULT; don't deflect, don't blame another...admit. Plan. Overcome.

It's amusing that you take comfort in the assured death of those you disagree with; get mowed down indeed.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:26 | 4124209 The Burning Planet
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There are far too many kids in college today who have no business being there. And they will be saddled with student loans for life (they cannot be discharged in bankruptcy). Once the Federal government got involved in education, tuition rates skyrocketed. It is a 1:1 direct relationship. Adding insult to injury is the idiotic multicultural curriculum which delivers fuck all in the way of marketability to prospective employers. The whole system is just rotten to the core.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:42 | 4124761 Herd Redirectio...
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Aaah, but don't forget the JOB CREATION, while this scheme was being enlarged.  Jobs for admins, and bureaucrats, and assistants and tutors, and teachers, etc.

Look at a chart of employees at UCLA over the past 20 years  (I think staff has doubled or tripled, so roughly 4-5% annual growth).  Now break down that chart into teachers and non-teaching staff.  One stayed basically flat, the other accounted for almost the entire increase.   And it wasn't teaching staff.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 03:46 | 4125965 HardAssets
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I went to quite a few h.s. and college graduation ceremonies for the kids of friends & family last June. What struck me was how clueless most of the kids and their parents were. Few of them had any grasp of the state of the current economy. Most of the kids didnt really know what they wanted to do . . . so were heading to college or grad school. When I was an undergrad a kid could work in the summers and part time during the year and with a few grants and small scholarships, pay for college. The cost of going to a rather average (even mediocre) in state public college is outrageous today. Unless youve got money to burn, putting out that kind of expense without having a concrete pay off in mind is moronic. With some motivated effort, you can provide yourself the foundation for a true, liberal education for very little money. And you won't even have to put up with the delusional collectivist rantings of various professors.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:49 | 4124565 Freddie
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How is that Hope & Change working out for you kiddies?

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:07 | 4124629 DoChenRollingBearing
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Boomers (purportedly) ran up the national debt, and to some extent that is certainly true.  Alas, Boomer Bearing and Mrs. Bearing are NOT eligible for Social Security nor Medicare (we are not "entitiled" because we did not pay enough taxes into "the system", ha ha ha).

Kiddies (in great part) elected Obama.  Plenty of blame for everyone!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 16:51 | 4124032 NotAMathWhiz
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Hmmm, may be tough to get a mortgage wihen you have over $1T in student loans!

Dipshits.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:59 | 4124376 RichardENixon
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Thanks. Had almost forgotten how good those MFers were.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 16:59 | 4124064 Kirk2NCC1701
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One of my wife's sorority sisters recently threw out her husband of 20 yrs, because he could no longer "pay his share to the household", when his UI ran out.  She works, makes ~ $80k.

He's now on welfare, and working part time at minimum wage.  No benefits.  He used to make 6-figures (to which his shop-a-holic bitch got used to), but lost his job at age 60 and can't get anything comparable.  In spite of skills+experience, they all want a young guy, who's more malleable and costs less.  But they won't call it "ageism", cause the HR drones have been programmed by the corporate legal slime, to prevent legal action.

The only thing that worries me more than this woman's attitude and mercenary instincts, is that my own Mrs does not seem troubled by this -- and actually "understands" her old college friend.  Fuck me!  Is that what I got to look forward to in this Latter Day 'Merica?  / Gotta love this "selective feminism". /sarc

Time for Plan B and Plan C.

 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:14 | 4124144 PartysOver
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Look forward to?

How about premature retaliation.  Hide the money, tell your boss to stick it, get thrown out of the house, move to the islands.

Thats the answer!

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:58 | 4124365 fockewulf190
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Time for some Breaking Bad.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:58 | 4124597 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Sadly, this may be a viable option for a lot of people (except for those, um, "competition costs" which can be so surprising and nasty).

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:45 | 4124775 Herd Redirectio...
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" they all want a young guy, who's more malleable and costs less. "

Lets not sugar coat it, Kirk.  If he said he would work for what they are going to pay for a kid 1st year out of college, they would hire him in a second.  And it would be exploiting his skills for their profit massively. 

But thats the reason they haven't hired him, the cost, malleability ranks a distant second.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 16:04 | 4128105 mkkby
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Why does a man in his 60s, on the cusp of retirement, formerly making 6 figures have no savings?  Sounds like another sleeping zombie,  doesn't he?

He let the bitch spend him into ruin.  He ignored all the signs she was using him.  Her sorority friend thinks that's okay.  The guy better hide the money and strike first.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:15 | 4124151 RafterManFMJ
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AAAAAAOOOOOGA! AAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOGA! AAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOOOOOGA!

Kirk you'd best be laying in stores, hiding cash, learning Portuguese / Spanish, and getting ready...

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 07:49 | 4126150 fockewulf190
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Kirk needs to pick up two hobbies right quick: stacking phyzz and boating. Live long and....well, save as much "prosper" as you can.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:21 | 4124175 Blano
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Sucks to be that guy.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:25 | 4124192 Rainman
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" Them that's got shall get. Them that's not shall lose. "

   Billie Holiday ( God Bless the Child )

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 20:23 | 4124913 infinity8
Tue, 11/05/2013 - 17:28 | 4124211 Jack Burton
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Great story Kirk. +100. Yes, the fact that your Mrs. can see her friend's point of view and understand her anquish over losing her husband's income should scare you. I honestly have no trust in women at all. When you have got money, they treat you like you matter, any threat to that cash ypu bring them, all of a sudden they have a million reasons why you are no longer on "the same page". Shop-a-holic bitch's are a dime a dozen. Fakes, money is what matters. As a man, you should always be worried about your female partner. They see money and shopping as their god given right. A man is there only to provide money.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:35 | 4124522 DaveyJones
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is this why your avatar is a woman?

women are like everything else. There's good ones and bad ones

and like men, they have been trained to act a certain way

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:55 | 4125595 dryam
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Life is not complicated.  Men tend to use women for sex, and women tend to use men for resources.  Many people have pure intentions, some have mixed intentions, and some have ill intentions.  Just as women have to be on guard for sexual predators from adolescence onward, men should be on guard for financial predators when they have acquired resources.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 06:37 | 4126075 americanreality
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Work hard, brother.  Love alone won't pay your bills.  Look good, sister.  Love alone will pay your bills.

 

BHT

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 18:51 | 4124570 Miffed Microbio...
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"As a man, you should always be worried about your female partner. They see money and shopping as their god given right. A man is there only to provide money."

My husband just called me. He was worried I wasn't home and I was 2 hours over due. I told him I had a drs appt I had forgotten to tell him about. He said he just wanted to make sure I was ok. Is this what you mean?

We reviewed our yearly budget recently. I had spent $100 on clothing so far this year on my running shoes which fell apart and were beyond fixing. He said he was shocked I had maintained my $500/year budget on yearly clothing which our financial advisor claimed was ridiculously low and impossible. I said I have no plans to purchase any more clothing for the year but I did ask if I could roll this over to the next year if needed. He agreed. I never "shop". I find it a waste of time. Shiny baubles are mindless distractions and I prefer a minimalist simple life.

I have worked at least one job ( for many years 2) and hand 100% of the money to my husband. I pay $500/month for our insurance. I have a budget of $500/ month for my gas and any personal expense or hobby I wish to purchase. Two years ago I was given a gift of $2000 dollars to spend any way I wanted out of my husbands unexpected bonus. I still have $1800 of it.

My husband loves me very much and trusts me implicitly. I have never abused it. I am certainly not perfect. I'm disorganized at times, start many projects at once, get distracted and make a mess of things. He laughes and helps me get back on track. He has held my hand though numerous tragedies in my life when I was very depressed and angry. I will always be there for him if he loses his job and have to support us. If we both lose our jobs we will keep each other warm under a freeway ramp.

I am sorry you think women a money grubbing whores. I don't deny it but please realize there are some of us living honorable lives that are loved by our mates.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:49 | 4124782 Herd Redirectio...
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You are a rare breed, MM.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:49 | 4124791 prains
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Miffed, you are in the very small minority. Many women have a very distorted context of reality because they've never had to really work to earn a paycheck. For some the physical pain (construction) for some the psychological (office politics). Many women look at having sex as payment for services rendered and that's all they need to do once in awhile to feel they deserve all the rest.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 22:26 | 4125357 Suisse
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That is very sexist. 

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:59 | 4125620 dryam
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Biology & reality are both sexist.  It's the way it is.  Seriously, are you arguing otherwise?  See my post above.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 23:59 | 4125628 Miffed Microbio...
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I agree. I understand the stress and frustration my man feels at his job because I have first hand experience. There is empathy. This may be the reason so many women are self centered and spoiled. Men have coddled them for too long. However I had no idea sex could be used as a currency! As the most intense experience we humans can have I had thought it was to be enjoyed by a couple freely. I must tell this to my husband that I am supposed to have some sort of payment for services rendered. Come to think of it, I think I've been paid in full.

Miffed;-)

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:56 | 4124815 overmedicatedun...
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miffed your one in a million, lucky guy you hooked up with.

Tue, 11/05/2013 - 19:56 | 4124816 RSloane
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Thank you for posting that. I could not agree more. Marriages are partnerships, or should be. My husband and I always sit down and go over our finances. We have no "mine" or "yours' checking accounts, saving accounts....all of it is both of us.  I really enjoy reading your posts, Miffed, I hope you stick around for a good long while.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 20:11 | 4128991 Jena
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I agree completely.  I don't know how a marriage could work any other way.  There is no money that is 'mine' or 'his' and I don't know how people who have those relationships work.  But I have known plenty of women who skimmed and hid money and I always was glad I had the relationship I did.

My husband buys more of my clothes than I do.  He loves to surprise me and he has great taste.

I also agree that Miffed is a genuine delight to read.  You have such a distinct voice and perspective on things that is rare indeed.  And getting to read Mr. Miffed from time to time is fun, too.

 

Jena ;)

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 23:38 | 4129648 Miffed Microbio...
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You are a gem too my friend jena. And always will be . Thanks for your kind words. They mean a lot to me as well. ;-)

Miffed;-)

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