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What Is Twitter's Real Value: You Decide With This Interactive Calculator
With Twitter's pre-IPO price range rising by the hour and its oversubscription levels growing exponentially - matched only by the volume of "why you must buy Twitter" discussions on CNBC, Reuters created the following simple interactive calculator to enable the retail investor to 'judge' whether buying it out of the gate is the best use of your 401(k)...
The calculator estimates a value for Twitter. The key variables are the balance between US and non-US comparable companies and the balance between two different valuation methodologies.
US comparables are Facebook and LinkedIn, while non-US comps are Sina and Tencent (both Chinese). The valuation methods are price-to-forward-sales and price-per-monthly-user.
Additional variables include an IPO discount and the proportion of new shares that will be issued...
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On a long enough timeline...
Survival rate for US aircraft carriers about to collapse to zero in the Mediterranean sea, as Russia's aircraft carrier killer enters the region:
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_11_03/Russias-aircraft-carrier-killer...
Did you watch the video? That link shows a ship that looks a little...underwhelming. I'd put my money with a US carrier battle group over that bucket.
Control room looks 50 years old...be surprised if it can operate at sea for more than 14 consecutive days without stopping for maintenance.
Try again.
And next time come with a quiet stealthy sub...that is a carriers biggest fear.
Twitter will reach $480/share by the end of Yellen's 1st year as Fed Head, and yes, I'm totally cereal.
@suzysaysso has gotta be worth something north of $2/shr...
btw, link NSFW
Back when I was doing serious Twitter marketing, I used several server hosted applications tweeted and re-tweeted across around 12,000 accounts. That was small-potatoes. The big guys are doing much more volume than that.
Even lowly social-media PR people run multiple auto-post, auto-adder software like TweetAdder to get followers. Trouble is of course, that almost all your new followers will be other people's bots.
And then there are the countless services which will sell you 1,000,000 followers. Those followers are of course, also just fake accounts run by bots.
Which raises the question: How many users does Twitter have? If Twitter openly addressed these issues, they might have some credibility. But they don't touch these issues... which is a massive, 10,000lb red flag. They are hiding it because they know it: Twitter doesn't have half as many users as they claim to... or even 25% ... and maybe as few as 10%.
Would sitting on that info be considered fraud? Would it be a jailable offense to sit on that info heading into an IPO?
Insider twading.
Sounds like the same issue in the old days with IRC and botnets being hidden on servers to be used for DDOS attacks and file servers among other things. Nothing changes since those botnets also were used by servers to attract real users by making them look busier than they really were.
Twitter is as twitter does.
Gotta hand it to the guys who built it though. They are running the same scam that was run during the tech bubble of the late 90's and all the dumbfuck lemmings are lining up again to buy the worthless piece of shit that - and this is what one should always remember- PRODUCES NOTHING.
There is your "value".
The stupid is strong in this one.
Should be called a "papermache" maker, as the papertiger is very reliant on carriers.
Fuck you Mr. Yellen...
that's Mrs Debtfire.
Toronto mayor: "I smoked, but i didn't inhale"
http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2013_11_05/Toronto-Mayor-Rob-Ford-admits-h...
Wow... He also had the guy who filmed the tape offed (or did the guy just die mysteriously, I can't remember) and the guy who tried to sell the tape, a former associate of his, was arrested for extortion. See. So it was the extortion that was the crime, not the crack cocaine business... Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!
It doesn't work. I can't get a zero valuation.
Probably can't get a true zero value....I mean, I'm sure they've got some tables and chairs and some iPads laying around.
listen! a singing birdie!
as long as the canary is chirping its ok..... when it falls off its perch eye glazed...
Twitter is worth $500T. I mean, if facebook is worth north of $100B, then all valuations for everything on this planet need a few more zeros.
Market has no intention of being distracted by pesky fundamentals...
We got this new guy, Mr. Yellen...he's gonna fix the crops and burrito toppin' shortage!
With water? Like, from the toilet?
pods
BRAWNDO, the Thirst Mutilator (it's got electrolytes!)
Ow! My Balls!
Fuck all.
Twitter and Facebook are the ultimate websites to allow a narcissistic extroverted society to exhibit themselves and insistently talk.
These two sites will eventually be the equivalent of TV and Telephone in their pervasiveness.
Some time ago we had a buncha relatives and relatives of relatives in town for an unfamily get together... well, not really. A buncha folks to whom we're related were coming to town for one of the area's annual activities so, we went out with them several nights.
One of the most telling experiences was that the young-ins would all sit at the dinner table not talking to anybody but tweeting away like mad. Absolutely no human interaction.
One even took a pic of her dinner and sent it to a friend.
He fucking dinner.
It was some chicken enchiladas, FFS.
T'was strange, my friends.... very very strange
Plus, no major barrier to entry in this business.
Ummmmm .....
Re: Plus, no major barrier to entry in this business.
No barriers, but humans are herd amimals. So, the first product or dominate product will generally win. The semi-psychotic drone humans will use whatever item is most liked by the other semi-psychotic drone humans.
There might be no barrier to creating another Facebook or Twitter but real problem will be creating something that's similar in functionality but "better enough" that the semi-psychotic drone humans want it. The cost doesn't matter, as it's already "free".
At this point, unless somebody figures out a way to transmit smell or orgasms, Facebook and Twitter are the high point of transmitted narcissism and extrovertedness.
Facebook is the Myspace of 10 years ago, which was the geoshities of 5 years before that................
The only difference is that we are pretending that the latest incarnation of "meville" is a multi billion dollar company.
Hmmm, MEville.com...............
brb
pods
I'M IMPORTANT DAMMIT! MY MOMMY TOLD ME I'M SPECIAL. EVERYBODY CARES ABOUT WHAT FOOD I GAVE MY CAT TODAY. MY UNCLE CAN'T GET THROUGH THE DAY IF I DON'T TWEET HIM WHAT I'M EATING FOR DINNER.
I HAVE 985 FACEBOOK FRIENDS AND 250 TWITTER FOLLOWERS. YOU WISH YOU HAD THAT. YOU'RE JUST A HATER.
- signed every single worthless twenty something 300lb tweeter living in their parents basement.
Yep, Geocities. And even then there were 1000+ impersonators.
Its not a question of whether it was a good idea, or a useful service, but what is it worth today? The brand has lost all value, the idea has been copied...
What the fuck do they sell again? Gossip to NSA(taxpayer expense).
I've put in for 5,000 shares on Fidelity. I'll be lucky to get 50.
The same day I found that twitter is going public, I cancelled my account
I would say give Twitter a value of 'infinity' then multiply that by the intrinsic value of the dollar, $0.
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The best thing about internet ads, is that you don't even have to look at them. In fact the more ads you put up, the more people try to block them so they don't even have to worry about accidentally seeing them.
Tell me how this is worth billions of dollars again?
Every fucking ad on TV has a twitter hashtag now. So you spent 30 seconds on TV trying to sell me on the idea of typing in a stupid hashtag? You just showed me your product, why do I need to go online and read what can be said in five seconds during your commercial?
Its fucking insanity.
Like Domino's making an ad showing how inept their employees are, they can't take an order over the phone without screwing it up so you better order online. WTF? You think I want to order pizza from a place that can't even understand a person saying "large pepperoni pizza"?
The Twitter IPO exists because underwriters will make money for doing pretty much nothing. In fact that is why the entire stock market exists.
zh is an avid user of twitter
http://twitter.com/zerohedge
http://fakers.statuspeople.com/Fakers/Dashboard
What is Twitter's Real Value- to those selling the shares to the public?
Zuckerberg got a billion dollars.
Twitter does not exist. It is an amalgam of individuals, each of whom is at any point in time capable of leaving the party. When all are provided with a big enough incentive to leave, the party will be over.
im sorry what is cnbc ? is it a trade a symptom or disease of some kind?
Who cares what the real value is..
Just BUY BUY BUY!!
Most people are just worried that it goes Ok the day of....who cares about the Price...its the technology of the NYSE that is on show...if it goes OK...the price will go up for a few months until the dirty details come out and they still don´t make any money....other than their insider stock sales....
Bullshit like that calculator floating to the surface makes me want to short the US stock market. Or alternatively, just load up on gold and head to the bunker.
This won't end well.