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Fukushima Debris "Island" The Size Of Texas Near US West Coast

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While it took Japan over two years to admit the Fukushima situation on the ground is "out of control", a development many had predicted for years, a just as important topic is what are the implications of this uncontrolled radioactive disaster on not only the local environment and society but also globally, particularly Japan's neighbor across the Pacific - the US.

To be sure, there has been much speculation, much of it unjustified, in the past two years debating when, how substantial and how acute any potential debris from Fukushima would be on the US. Which is why it was somewhat surprising to see the NOAA come out with its own modeling effort, which shows that not only "some buoyant items first reached the Pacific Northwest coast during winter 2011-2012" but to openly confirm that a debris field weighing over 1 million tons, and larger than Texas is now on the verge of hitting the American coastline, just west off the state of California.

Obviously, the NOAA in releasing such a stunner could well be hammered by the administration for "inciting panic" which is why it caveated its disclosure carefully:

Many variables affect where the debris will go and when. Items will sink, disperse, and break up along the way, and winds and ocean currents constantly change, making it very difficult to predict an exact date and location for the debris’ arrival on our shores.


The model gives NOAA an understanding of where debris from the tsunami may be located today, because it incorporates how winds and ocean currents since the event may have moved items through the Pacific Ocean. This model is a snapshot of where debris may be now, but it does not predict when debris will reach U.S. shores in the future. It's a "hindcast," rather than a "forecast." The model also takes into account the fact that winds can move different types of debris at different speeds. For example, wind may push an upright boat (large portion above water) faster than a piece of lumber (floating mostly at and below the surface).

Still despite this "indemnity" the NOAA does come stunningly close with an estimate of both the location and size of the debris field. One look at the map below shows clearly why, while the Fed may have the economy and markets grasped firmly in its central-planning fist, when it comes to the environment it may be time to panic:

Source: NOAA

Some of the disclosures surrounding the map:

  • Japan Ministry of the Environment estimates that 5 million tons of debris washed into the ocean.
  • They further estimated that 70% of that debris sank near the coast of Japan soon after the event.
  • Model Results: High windage items may have reached the Pacific Northwest coast as early as winter 2011-2012.
  • Majority of modeled particles are still dispersed north and east of the Hawaiian Archipelago.
  • NOAA expects widely scattered debris may show up intermittently along shorelines for a long period of time, over the next year, or longer.

In light of these "revelations" which come not from some tinfoil website but the Department of Commerce's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, it becomes clear why there has been virtually zero mention of any of these debris traffic patterns on the mainstream media in recent history, or ever.

Appropriately enough, since the US media will not breach this topic with a radioactive 10 foot pole, one has to go to the Russian website to learn some more:

Over a million tons of Fukushima debris could be just 1,700 miles off the American coast, floating between Hawaii and California, according to research by a US government agency.



The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) recently updated its report on the movement of the Japanese debris, generated by the March 2011 tsunami, which killed 16,000 people and led to the Fukushima nuclear power plant meltdown.


Seventy percent of an estimated 5 million tons of debris sank near the coast of Japan, according to the Ministry of Environment. The rest presumably floated out into the Pacific.


While there are no accurate estimates as to where the post-tsunami junk has traveled so far, the NOAA has come up with a computer model of the debris movement, which gives an idea of where its highest concentration could be found.

Having released the radioactive genie from the bottle, the NOAA is now doing all it can to avoid the inevitable social response. RT has more:

The agency was forced to alleviate the concerns in an article saying there was “no solid mass of debris from Japan heading to the United States.”


“At this point, nearly three years after the earthquake and tsunami struck Japan, whatever debris remains floating is very spread out. It is spread out so much that you could fly a plane over the Pacific Ocean and not see any debris since it is spread over a huge area, and most of the debris is small, hard-to-see objects,” NOAA explains on its official webpage.


The agency has stressed its research is just computer simulation, adding that “observations of the area with satellites have not shown any debris.”



Scientists are particularly interested in the organisms that could be living on objects from Japan reaching the west coast.


"At first we were only thinking about objects like the floating docks, but now we’re finding that all kinds of Japanese organisms are growing on the debris," John Chapman of the Marine Science Center at Oregon State University told Fox News.


"We've found over 165 non-native species so far," he continued. "One type of insect, and almost all the others are marine organisms … we found the European blue mussel, which was introduced to Asia long ago, and then it grew on a lot of these things that are coming across the Pacific ... we’d never seen it here, and we don’t particularly want it here."

What is the worst-case scenario:

The worst-case scenario would be that the trash is housing invasive organisms that could disrupt the local environment’s current balance of life. Such was the case in Guam, where earlier this year it was announced that the US government intended to parachute dead mice laced with sedatives on to the island in order to deal with an invasive species of brown tree snake that was believed to have been brought to the American territory on a military ship over 60 years ago. In a little over half a century, a few snakes spawned what became an estimated 2 million animals, the likes of which ravaged the island’s native bird population and warranted government intervention.


Other concerns such as radiation, meanwhile, have been downplayed. On its website, the NOAA says, “Radiation experts agree that it is highly unlikely that any tsunami-generated marine debris will hold harmful levels of radiation from the Fukushima nuclear emergency.”


Independent groups like the 5 Gyres Institute, which tracks pollution at sea, have echoed the NOAA’s findings, saying that radiation readings have been “inconsequential.” Even the release of radioactive water from the Fukushima nuclear reactor shouldn't be a grave concern, since scientists say it will be diluted to the point of being harmless by the time it reaches American shores in 2014.

Which is great news: since even the worst case scenario is inconsequential, we expect the broader media will promptly report on the NOAA's findings: after all, the general public surely has nothing to fear.


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Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:02 | 4126269 Non Passaran
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The fuckers were too busy modelling catastrophic climate changes... No time for minor shit.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:06 | 4126281 TeamDepends
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There are some organisms growing alright, such as the three eyed Burnsfish.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:10 | 4126296 Manthong
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If only California had a few Mexicans with battered pick-up trucks…

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:14 | 4126310 Bobbyrib
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You mean boats..

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:22 | 4126336 GMadScientist
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No, that's Cuba.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:34 | 4126389 Race Car Driver
Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:06 | 4126523 GMadScientist
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Or their cars, which look like...battered old soviet cars.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:17 | 4126322 auntiesocial
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Japan creates US jobs! is how this should be spun.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:24 | 4126345 Ignatius
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"Debris Island" - Lots for sale!

All lots come with a water view.



Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:20 | 4126568 Bro of the Sorr...
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do you think it's hard to get a work visa there? i've heard the job market in the pacific is pretty good. plus it's hard to get laid when you live in your parents basement.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:17 | 4127106 NIHILIST CIPHER

@Ignatius           YOU ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK !  I say let's declare it a new country, stabilize the debris with a fast dry spaceage resin to make it a solid mass. Then we round up Obonzo and his minions, the 535 cockroaches on the hill and few of the Free Shit Army to be exiled there til the end of their days. WE RESOLVE TO ONLY PROVIDE them with uber GMO frankenfood and water with EXTRA HELPING of flouride etc. Healthcare would consist of a box of bandaids and a rusty knife. TSA agents stationed at all points to feel them up daily...just in case they want to leave. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 21:45 | 4129339 SillySalesmanQu...
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+1  for originality and depravity.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:47 | 4126431 HardAssets
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Call out the carrier battle groups !  Launch the fighters & stealth bombers !  Send in the Marines and the Abrams tanks !  Launch the aerial attack drones !  Launch those birds in the SAC silos and under the ocean in the subs.

We have the most powerful military on the globe and spend as much as the next 10 nations combined. Lets put that expensive military to use defending us from this potential threat to the USA.  Its time to attack this radiation !

Nuke that damned thing !

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:10 | 4126541 NeedtoSecede
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You called it HardAss, time for us to Declare War on Debris!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:47 | 4126709 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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from a low budget standpoint, the debris might be good cover for something like a sub.... just a thought

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 23:18 | 4129594 Kirk2NCC1701
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That's a whole lot of Fukushitsu headed for Fukufornia.

WW Z starts in Brangelinaland. Yihaaa!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:08 | 4127639 Not Too Important
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A million broken windows.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 05:46 | 4130067 Truthseeker2
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"As Fukushima Goes, So Goes Japan"


"Tokyo has the largest “greater metro” population in the world at about 34.3 million.  Tokyo has the largest GDP of all major cities in the world – larger than both New York City and London.  Tokyo is the economic/financial capital of the world’s 3rd largest national economy, as well as the primary economic engine of East Asia."



Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:28 | 4126363 Confused
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I'm thinking this IS related to catastrophic climate change. But, I guess THAT is minor shit. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:34 | 4126391 Gene Parmesan
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Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:37 | 4126409 Confused
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We don't have to rehash the retarded arguements here about radiation that have been going on with every Fuku article. 


My question to the article is this, if NOAA claims this is only a hindsight-cast, and has no predictive powers, why bother doing it at all? 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:49 | 4126456 HardAssets
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"My question to the article is this, if NOAA claims this is only a hindsight-cast, and has no predictive powers, why bother doing it at all? "

Duh . . . . job security.  You've never had a govt job before, have you ?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:41 | 4127797 Not Too Important
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"The fuckers were too busy modelling catastrophic climate changes..."

I don't know. I tend to think there were several rooms full of DoD Cray's dedicated to modelling the consequences of Fukushima 24/7 in the weeks following 3/11. Probably still are on a regular basis.

But that's just me.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 00:38 | 4129759 Rossalgondamer
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or before.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 00:19 | 4129728 markettime
markettime's picture big is Japan again? And if we compare it to Texas? One might need to ask exaclty how much stuff was piled on the shores of Japan anyway? Where are the greenies? I expected them all to be out swimming in the ocean cleaning this all up. Bunch of lazy bums. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:03 | 4126270 GetZeeGold
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Get your entry too could win a trip to the Island.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:08 | 4126287 Dr. Engali
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dee plane..dee plane..

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:13 | 4126307 Pharming
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I'm thinking this "island" is rich in civilian targets.  We should allow the military to use it for bombing runs, strafing, etc... in preparation for the coming crack down on the masses in this country.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:15 | 4126313 auntiesocial
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Clusterfuck Island. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:16 | 4126320 hyperfocus
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Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:23 | 4126340 GMadScientist
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... of Dr. Moreau

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:03 | 4126273 Disenchanted
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re: "but now we’re finding that all kinds of Japanese organisms are growing on the debris," 

Wonder what the mutations of those will look like...


Harvest that shit America! Bullish!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:30 | 4126374 Confused
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I'm hoping, if this lands near LA, that the mutations resemble something like Godzilla. We would have nothing to worry about, hollywood has known how to handle that problem for quite some time now.......

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:08 | 4126467 HardAssets
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Damned incompetent TEPCO. They were supposed to send the cloud with the mutating GODZILLA forming gunk to the other coast . . . within range of D.C.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:05 | 4126277 J Pancreas
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I hope this putrid mess lands smack dab in San Francisco bay. Let the enviro-trolls clean up the slop. Surely they can just raise taxes and buy some surveillance drones to monitor that blob.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:06 | 4126279 Dr. Engali
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Can we contain it and make a new home for the bankers?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:19 | 4126323 papaswamp
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Google can make a party island.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 13:41 | 4127502 Milestones
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Alacatrash?            Milestones

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:07 | 4126284 Bearwagon
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Fear not - all is well! (Until it isn't, of course.)

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:08 | 4126288 gasmiinder
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How did this become a "Fukushima debris field" - other than as an eyeball magnet? It's a debris field from a tsunami that contains a tiny portion of debris from the Fukushima area, all of which was removed from the islands BEFORE any problems with the Fukushima reactor.

Hopefully the ZH 'community' may forgive my contamination of the thread with a rational analyisis.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:09 | 4126293 Bearwagon
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Ever heard of "no quarter"? ;-)

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:28 | 4126360 toady
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Beat me to it. The counter argument is the Fukishima 'hot' water is only a day or two behind....

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:10 | 4127650 Not Too Important
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And almost three years of radioactive rain, full of uranium and plutonium.

Thoroughly rad pickled . . .

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:28 | 4126364 GMadScientist
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How dare you poop on Tyler's sensationalized pooping on California.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:03 | 4126506 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Follow the radiation trail behind it the distance will tell you the path the debris is coming from. You can kind of work out the rough numbers based on damage at Fukushima as compared to the size of the debris field. The rate it is moving you can work backwards to figure out how much of it is. Also tell you how much radiation actually is pissing out into the Pacific and rate that it is.

Fact of the matter is it is a lot of debris and most of it (whatever doesn't sink first) will wash up on the west coast eventually and some of that debris is most certainly from Fukushima. You can play the semantics game all you want but it is understood what the natural disaster was that created the debris field.  Also with the clean up required you also have the problem of moving species that are not native to the west coast into a new environment. You may want to forgive my contamination of the thread by pointing out contamination.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:09 | 4126539 Being Free
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I applaud you gassy one.  All I had to read was this: "...according to research by a US government agency" to raise a red flag.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:32 | 4126560 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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To be fair to ZH here this is not their term for the debris field daily mail is also running the same thing and they most likely took the term from NOAA also. It is one thing to correct the messenger another to shoot them. And also to be fair I don't think you are doing any shooting here.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:10 | 4126289 Iocosus
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This is ironic. Almost 70 years ago we nuked them, now fate is repaying us the favor. Karma.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:27 | 4126617 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Karma is a real bitch ain't it. I ain't religious or believe in god but I also know enough to know how little I do know and not self centered enough to think I know the answer or pretentious enough to clain I know what an unknown unknown is in this case, There is a difference between known unknowns and unknown unknowns. I use the one human tool I do have and it is called observation. It is amazing how our own self created systems works so hard to supress that basic gift that humans have. There is some sort of cause and effect to these things, whether it is the nature of system or something more divine I couldn't tell you with any certainty. Best answer would be a hypothesis that most likely can't be proved with today's knowledge and tools. One man's hypothesis is another man's religion.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:59 | 4126752 Iocosus
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It's a law which transcends modern pragmatism and gently confirms a Divine, immutable force invisible to the physical senses, but whose actions and purposes remain visibly (to those who can "see") unchanged throughout recorded history.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:09 | 4126292 Sleepless Knight
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Once it hits California, the developers will try to figure out how to put condos on it.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:24 | 4126600 geoffb
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"Once it hits California, the developers will try to figure out how to put condoms on it."


Fixed. :)

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 22:03 | 4129396 mjcOH1
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"Once it hits California, the developers will try to figure out how to put condos on it."

They're willing to drop the construction pretense and just tax it.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:13 | 4126306 lolmao500
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Maybe we could introduce snakes in DC so that in a few years, it's overrun with them... oh wait that has already happened and it's called congress.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:12 | 4127656 General Decline
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I believe Jesus described them as "a brood of vipers"

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:14 | 4126309 decon
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"Millions of tons of Fukishima debris" or millions of tons of tsunami debris, big difference.  My respect for the Tyler's is eroding Dan, with this kind of sensationalism.  Reminds me of the tabloids.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:32 | 4126378 forwardho
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The disaster has been named the Fukishima tsunami.

If you infered that only radioactive debris was involved that is your veiw.

A massive floating field of garbage the size of texas comming ashore will be a logistical nightmare for the unlucky coast it washes up on.

That some of it is highly radioactive...

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:12 | 4127657 Not Too Important
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... is a given.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:15 | 4126314 Dull Which
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Scoop it up

Ship it back

Dump it on the defunct reactors - a million tons of shit might seal them off for a while

Get Tepco to pay for it



Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:20 | 4126326 Running On Bing...
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As long as they pay us with, I'm fine with your idea. No Jap Yens!


Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:37 | 4126405 toady
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Tepco did just report a massive quarterly profit from the subsidies the government gave them...

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:15 | 4126316 apberusdisvet
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The claim that the radioactivity will be harmlessly diluted by the Pacific is bullshit.  How do they explain the dead and dying species of animal life dependent upon the Pacific Ocean and the spike in infant thyroid problems from San Diego to Anchorage?  The articles are out there about the dead baby moose, the decimation of the anchovie population off the NA West Coast, the sick and dying seals and polar bears, the "melting" of starfish populations, all prefaced with "scientists are at a loss to explain......".

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:06 | 4126525 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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The full extent of Fukushima won't be known for another 10 - 50 years most likely. Only one thing is certain the powers that be will try to minimize people's access to information to figure it out because that is what they do to hold on to power. They never deal with problems until they can't hide them anymore and by then it is usually too late.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:57 | 4126751 americanspirit
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Fukushima isn't finished "happening", so the full extent of the disaster hasn't even occurred - yet. This soggy slightly radioactive island is a harbinger of far hotter things to come.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:16 | 4127673 Not Too Important
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I can tell you that childhood thyroid cancer rates in the greater Fukushima/Tokyo region are up over 24,000% and climbing fast.

And on Enenews there seems to be some commotion going on with US pediatricians and pediatric oncologists being lied to by the CDC and NIH about what's making their waiting rooms fill up with sick kids.

Will the DHS shoot all those kids' moms when they get pissed?

We'll see.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 22:57 | 4129534 FreedomGuy
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I think we should bombard the debris with radiation to kill anything dangerous, contagious or kill invasive species.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:16 | 4126318 Dr. Engali
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Damn Japs are attacking us again.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:24 | 4126348 GMadScientist
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We knew it was coming this time too.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:23 | 4126325 Save_America1st
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the reason nothing has been done about this yet is 100% purposeful.  This issue has been a known threat from the beginning, and a lot of debris has already washed up on the Oregon coast.  The fucking government, who "never lets a crisis go to waste" has known about this from the beginning, but have deliberately let the debris field continue to get closer to our West Coast on purpose.  If they had taken care of it far out to see then they wouldnt' get a "crisis" on the coast to make a big deal about.  Just from the article we know that NOAA understands the time it would take to reach the West Coast, so the government and media have just been waiting for the right time to jump into action.  They're only going to use this "crisis" as a feable attempt to make themselves look good or to try and save o-fuckhead from the disaster of o-fuckhead care.  This will be used as a huge distraction. 

Not to mention the radioactive possibilities that the enviro-Nazis will get to use against the people on the West Coast in order to further shut down the entire coastline under Agenda 21 type laws.  A toxic radioactive event is a heaven-sent scenario for the enviro-Nazis who want to shut down America.  They don't care about the environment...they only care about controlling the population and stealing our bring on the radiation!  The government, media, and enviro-Nazis love this shit!

You notice ever since the Fukushima disaster you never hear anything from the government, media, enviro groups like Sierra Club, Grean Peace, PETA, or whoever else other scumbag groups there are out there?  Where are the Green Peace ships cleaning up the ocean?  Where are the massive campaign ad blasts all over TV talking about this disaster and the environmental danger?  NOTHING...ZIP...ZILCH...NADA!!! 

All further proof that the issues are never the issues when it comes to Libtard activists and their true agenda.  It's all a radioactive smokescreen used against us to take away our rights and freedom.

Now they have this massive wreck about to hit the coast, and once it gets right on top of us they will use FEMA or whatever other fucked up government agency to impose more draconian laws.  They will probabaly shut down the entire coast and call for a mass evacuation!  This will enable them to bring in and utilize more of their martial law tactics as well.

You have to just KNOW they're loving this.  Especially the destruction of the land values and home values on the California coastline.  LOL  All those rich fuckheads and Hollywierd losers who do the bidding of the NWO are now about to get royally Fuked when this shit starts to roll up onto the beaches and the government shuts everything down and declares it off limits.

Get ready for more chaos folks...they're going to make living in America like hell on Earth.  I hope enough people are waking up and getting ready to fight back. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:28 | 4126365 redd_green
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you lost everyone as soon as you wrote "libtard".   Heh.  Please.  Once that nuclear plant blew up, nothing human could prevent the crap from making it across teh ocean to North American west coast.   What would have have done, swim out there and soak it up with a sponge?  Please. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:51 | 4126461 Save_America1st
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just because Libtard offends your delicate sensitivities only means it hit the bullseye.  Lost everyone?  Ok, sure, "Speaker of all on ZH and the internet in general".  lol

And that shit could easily be scooped up and netted by large tankers or other large fishing vessels, *******IF they actually wanted to do it and IF they had gotten on it in time.*******  But they didn't on purpose, because there's a plan for what is to come as they continue to let it drift towards the coastline. 

Don't be a trendy libtard..."everyone" hates them except "everyone" who is one. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:33 | 4126648 Ruffcut
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He's right! Libtards are the expreme opposite of the asshole neocons, who only want control by chaos. Regardless of what group, they are all fuckups.running our shit into the ground.

"environmentalist", another control group to make us think they are in balance, like the three branches of government. Each one used to control the masses. No democracy, never fucking was.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:35 | 4126397 akarc
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They planned that damn earthquake too.

" I hope enough people are waking up and getting ready to fight back. "

I get it now. The whole comment was "sarc".

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:44 | 4126435 toady
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Where's the /sarc?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:59 | 4126498 Save_America1st
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There wasn't any.......

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:25 | 4126351 Waterfallsparkles
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Somehow, it is comforting to know it is comming on the shores of Nancy Peliosi, Maxine Waters, Diane Feinstein's, State. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:38 | 4126413 akarc
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yeah that it is comforting. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:44 | 4126438 falak pema
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the three graces! Maybe they should float out to that island like the daughters of late Esther Williams and live like sparkling mermaids.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:25 | 4126352 Scalaris
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How the fuck does one procure objective information in America, when MSM are such complete and utter shit?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:30 | 4126375 redd_green
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Take in all sources of information (all sources you can get at) and apply vast amounts of critical thinking.    Unfortunately, something, maybe its the fluoride in the water, is breaking down most folks critical thinking ability.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:10 | 4126542 Sweet Chicken
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Solid advice. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:07 | 4126535 GMadScientist
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Sometimes you can triangulate by finding something liberals and conservatives are both pissed about.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:24 | 4126602 Scalaris
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Any portrayal of a common denominator in political partisanship from MSM in any societal aspect, I consider to be a mere prevaricative palate cleanser for the weary masses, and therefore a harbinger of doom.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 00:12 | 4129717 GMadScientist
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You misunderstand me: I mean a situation actual folks on the ground from several angles of life are pissed about, not any commonality in solutions or approach from the puppets or their megalomaniophones. An example would be healthcare; everyone agrees it's SNAFU, despite having different remedies (pardon the pun) in mind.

Doom needs no harbinger, we only placate ourselves by believing we'll get a warning.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 06:10 | 4130076 Scalaris
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I understood what you were saying, I was being facetiously dramatic for comedic effect, which evidently has failed.

When two-party proponents find common ground against an issue, it inadvertently unveils the proposterity of the indoctrinative agenda, albeit momentarily, promoted by bought MSM.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:28 | 4126359 I am a Man I am...
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This is close enough to an Alien invasion Paul Krugman.  Must print MOAR!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:28 | 4126361 Seasmoke
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It's bigger than Puffer Fish.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:34 | 4126362 falak pema
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So the score now reads USA debris islands 2 vs Japan debris 1.

USA still leads on both Atlantic and Pacific fronts with their plastic junk the size of a continent on both oceans.

Will it take Japan's fuku sins to wake the USA up to its own germ carrying pollution of oceans ?

(I won't mention air where USa is #2 behind China, as those global warming skeptics will go apoplectic; but as I have, so let it rain ice in the Antarctic and Arctic this winter. I don't mind being wrong if it repairs the ice cap like a good night cap does a young bride on a hay ride!).

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:29 | 4126370 iLiquid
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Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:34 | 4126388 dirtyfiles
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floating assets....

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:34 | 4126390 MathWins
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I don’t get it.  With all the satellites we have, if there is an island of debris the size of Texas, why are we guessing where it is?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:19 | 4127687 Not Too Important
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We have satellites that can track radionuclide dispersion in the atmosphere, and we don't see that data, either.


Thu, 11/07/2013 - 03:03 | 4129928 skistroni
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Well, let me do the math for you. Texas is around 700,000 sq. km. Let's say the debris has an average size of a 20lt. bucket and assume that they have a density of roughly 0.8 g/cm3 (they are lighter than water since they float), which means that this average debris weighs 16Kg. Therefore in 1,000 million tons there are 62.5 million such buckets. 

Divide the area of Texas by the number of buckets and you get about 11,200 sq. meters per bucket. Which means that there is one bucket in every 3 acres roughly. 

Take into account that there are much smaller debris which can't be seen easily among the waves, and that there are much larger debris which are much further away from each other and you have your answer. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:35 | 4126399 LoneStarHog
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It looks more like The Investment Capital of the World...Cramerica!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:37 | 4126406 lunaticfringe
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Nothing to worry about. Futures are up. Again. As always. Because paper, like tulip bulbs is growing scarce. 

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:38 | 4126417 Son of Captain Nemo
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Well at least there's the benefit of a consolation prize in it for the Japanese considering it’s our technology that’s destroyed them 3 times. 

They’re sending it back to the United States in “spades”.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:46 | 4126448 Evil Franklin
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Barbara is going to have to move.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:48 | 4126453 JailBank
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Is this a shovel ready project? I hope this washes up on Malibu right in front of all the rich bitch Hollywood types.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:50 | 4126458 Took Red Pill
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Scary thing is there is little testing going on of our food supply. We could be eating radiated fish and not know it. Enjoy your tuna and salmon!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:11 | 4126548 GMadScientist
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Radiation is the least of the problems with seafood; those little bastards bioaccumulate every nasty thing you pour down a drain like a sponge (pun intended).

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:50 | 4126460 pitz
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Hopefully the remains of not too many SUKI (tm) members (SUKI (tm), The New World Religion (tm), major international religion) are in the debris.  Certainly don't think the Japanese SUKI (tm) members would want to have their final resting place in the United States.  However, the good thing that might come out of this is that the SUKI (tm) RELIGION might increase its US membership numbers.  As they have been lagging as of late as evidenced by my recent conversation with the SuperElite (tm) member responsible for recruiting on the west coast/California region.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 09:51 | 4126462 youngman
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There is job creation if i have ever seen it...lots of new "Beach janitors" to pick up the crap daily as it washes in.....and they can sell it on Ebay too..the good stuff...who doesn´t need a boat that doesn´t sink....

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:01 | 4126504 Son of Loki
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"There are worried about over 165 non-native species floating on the junk including a few Japanese stow-aways."

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:12 | 4126553 GMadScientist
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Try our new McFugu sandwich; you won't be able to leave the couch.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:01 | 4126505 AU5K
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Can we re-direct it down to Mexico?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:02 | 4126509 Backdraft
Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:05 | 4126521 Money 4 Nothing
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Aahh.. the new Treasury floating rate.. -0- % interest (until now) and -0- chances of return. 

Guess were stuck with this new catastrophy to hit our shores? GE going to foot the bill?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:06 | 4126524 Save_America1st
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Obama Secret Service Agent: “It’s Worse Than People Know… and I’m Not Trying to Scare You Either”


You may have your suspicions about what’s going on behind closed doors at the White House.

But according to one of President Obama’s former body guards it’s much worse than we can even imagine.

Dan Bongino has protected numerous Presidents over his career, including President Obama. He has been within ear-shot of many a discussion in the Oval Office, but up until this administration has stayed out of the lime light. Apparently, however, the activities of this administration are so abhorrent that he could no longer keep quiet.

Bongino is so upset with what he witnessed that he is now running for Congress because he feels it’s the only way to take America back from the sycophants who have made every effort to enrich themselves with money and power at the expense of the American people.

How bad is it?

We’re in a lot of trouble.

The President sees government – and I think it’s because of his lack of experience and maybe community organizing in the past – as this shiny new toy.

For all the disagreements I had with Clinton, Carter and Bush there were always limits… there was that line you just didn’t cross… We cross it seemingly every day. We’re lost in the scandals…

The Jamie Dimon shakedown at Chase… the HHS scandal.. Kathleen Sebelius shaking down the health care industry for money… the IRS… it’s to the point where these scandals in and of themselves would be huge back-breaking scandals [but] are just lost in the scandal fog of this administration…

It’s worse than people know… and I’m not trying to scare you either.

This is coming from someone who has stood next to Presidents for his entire career.

The implications are absolutely terrifying, especially considering how bad the publicly known scandals already are. Can you imagine what’s happening outside the view of Americans?

This is not about Republican or Democrat, it’s about liberty, pure and simple, and this administration has done more to damage our individual rights than any that has come before it.

Bongino expresses this succinctly when discussing the NSA scandal and the administration’s use of the information acquired by government snoops all over the country.

You give the government information and it will be abused. It is not a matter of if it’ll be abused, it’s only a matter of when…



Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:05 | 4127059 Almost Solvent
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"The Jamie Dimon shakedown at Chase"


Fuck Jamie Dimon and Fuck Chase.


They should be out of business since back in 2008 except for the bailouts and mark to unicorn accounting.


Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:45 | 4127248 RMolineaux
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Shakedown the Chase Bank?  Shakedown the health insurance companies?  Give me a break!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:43 | 4127806 Not Too Important
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And he doesn't tell us anything we don't already know.

I want to see his contributor list.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:10 | 4126540 Money 4 Nothing
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Is this the Trillions of Bernank Bux returning to be repatriated?

Toxic garbage hitting our shores once again.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:17 | 4126571 ross81
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uneasy glances exchanged when this thing meets up with the Pacific Trash Vortex


"go find your own Texas-sized patch of water, asshole"

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:18 | 4126851 DOT
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Yo!  I hit that ocean before you.

Better chill homes, or I'll go all radioactive on yo ass!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:17 | 4126574 Stuck on Zero
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It's not Fukushima debris you scare monger. It's tsunami debris from Japan.


Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:39 | 4127216 Septicus Maximus
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no dude.  it's ALL radioactive.  And it gon git ya.  

That's what these clowns wanns hear.  

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:18 | 4126577 Trimmed Hedge
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Definitely one way for a country to export their junk...

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:22 | 4126590 all-priced-in
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Abe will claim it is proof that his policy is increasing exports.



Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:29 | 4126631 kchrisc
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Tax it! Issue "trash island" credits that Goldman can trade. That'll fix it.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:04 | 4126704 El Hosel
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Never mind that off cost Nuclear Waste Blob that will evenually eat California, plenty of time to worry about that later.....The real News is the IPO Palooza, don't take your eye off that " All Important"  Twitter Pricing.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:52 | 4126725 Hobbleknee
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Will the perps be held accountable?  Of course not.  They'll be rewarded with more contracts to build plants in the US.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 10:53 | 4126729 UncleFurker
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"Even the release of radioactive water from the Fukushima nuclear reactor shouldn't be a grave concern, since scientists say it will be diluted to the point of being harmless by the time it reaches American shores in 2014."


Bull. Shit.


Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:09 | 4127075 shovelhead
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No problem.

The radiation will be neatly contained in tunafish.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:27 | 4127154 Hobbleknee
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For tens of thousands of years.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:22 | 4127703 Not Too Important
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The half-life of U-235 - of which there is now thousands of tons in the air and water, circling the globe - is 704 million years.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:09 | 4126809 RaceToTheBottom
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It would have been interesting to know how the model did in predicting waste arriving in Hawaii?

Don't journalists ask questions anymore?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:15 | 4126830 americanspirit
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I see a tremendous opportunity to "make lemonade" here. Once the coast of California ( and Hawaii) have been thoroughly irradiated and evacuated, and property values have tanked, those seaside mansions will be for sale for pennies on the dollar. Somebody will then buy them up, use their political leverage to get a waiver,  and open them as rest homes for irradiated Japanese who have nothing left to lose from further radiation and simply want to kick back and watch the sun set, rather than rise over the Pacific. The homes can be staffed with undocumented workers (also nothing left to lose) and everybody can eat all kinds of interesting new varieties of vegetables and seafood ( like Fuku - Fugu) while waiting to bleed out internally.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 20:07 | 4128966 RaceToTheBottom
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You could call it Fukishima, USA and save on signs too.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:17 | 4126850 kurt
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recycle the plastic, wood. build a ship with a factory on board to convert plastic to fuel, sequester poisons, hire crews. it won't be a profit center but some cost offset could be generated, harvest the mussels and other edibles, most of the radioactivity occurred after the tsunami.


Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:42 | 4126907 bunnyswanson
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Down by the Seaside

Led Zepellin

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:38 | 4126945 bunnyswanson
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Cruise ships could house several thousand workers, container ships could be converted into the type you describe.  It all seems so simple.  How strange that our ~leaders~ have not come up with this plan.  There is not a neat pile of rubbish, it is in the path of migrating whles who open their mouths to swallow plankton and most probably are consuming the lumber and plastic with deadly consequences.  This is criminal to be ignored by the men who are paid to deal with this type of situation.  War drums and big money have completely destroyed common sense.  It's just absurd, like a cartoon as someone stated.  I am embarrassed to be a part of the human race at this point.  Men with weak characters, in other words, weak links in the chain, are in charge.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:26 | 4127150 ebworthen
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Free material for building the Death Star!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:21 | 4126867 ElZorillo
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Land on it.. drop an anchor and name that shit ElZorillo island.


Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:26 | 4126888 Trample the Wea...
Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:29 | 4126906 FJ
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Nuke the freakin debris now.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:35 | 4126926 Spumoni
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I find it interesting that no comment has come out regarding the stories of sailors (yachtie variety) who are coming across the Pacific and saying there are no fish to be found, no seabirds, nothing but islands of trash on routes which have historically fed sailors crossing to the US from the Far East.

On the other hand, a friend fishing Dutch Harbor had excellent results this year (Aleutians and Bering Sea), so anecdotal evidence it is. Just the same, one wonders whether there is a reaction from sealife in the path of Fukushima to get the hell out of Dodge.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:24 | 4127717 Not Too Important
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The sardines are all gone:

So what disappears when the sardines disappear? That whole food chain thingy . . .

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 21:35 | 4129305 e_goldstein
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Italian Americans living on the west coast will be next to go.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 00:03 | 4129701 ebear
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Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:38 | 4126943 Der Wille Zur Macht
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American people will love this. It's free stuff after all. I hope I get a Nintendo!

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:47 | 4126967 evernewecon
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CNBC's sent people on exposes to all

sorts of interesting places, like Walmart

in China.

Perhaps they can have someone visit

one of these places

in the Pacific and

have them try some long distance

blue fin tuna swimmers

(plus a Mai Tai.)


Wrap the tuna Mexican style,

with this from the U.S.


Or this one.



Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:20 | 4127023 ToNYC
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Godzilla in a clam shell: a Madonna for the Reagan "too cheap to meter" 1950s dream gone a wry. No salvation for you, but there is a salary vacation.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 11:59 | 4127031 btdt
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do the math:

by weight:

one million tons over the size of texas ~ 850 grains of salt per square foot


how come ZH so smart in domain X and so dumb in domain Y?



Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:38 | 4127207 AGAU
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Yes, but the coastline it will land on is not the area of Texas.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:13 | 4127092 KCCO
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Barry most be drooling over this, imagine the stimulus it will take to clean this up. Jobs for everyone! especially the newly minted illegals.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:16 | 4127103 czarangelus
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I live in Santa Cruz. Any chance of me getting any decent, slightly waterlogged junk out of the deal? What kind of stuff would make good scrap?

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:24 | 4127135 ToNYC
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No and none; go watch Mavericks glow.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:25 | 4127141 ebworthen
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Probably enough to build a smokehouse for irradiated salmon.

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 12:49 | 4127270 the grateful un...
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I need a new car, I don't care if its right hand drive

Wed, 11/06/2013 - 14:01 | 4127612 zapdude
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Ah, Santa Cruz.  Home to the Banana Slugs and late 80's vampire capital of the world (Lost Boys). 

Great town with great sushi. 

Your town will survive.  Places like Monterey and Carmel, not so much.

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