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Bill Dudley On Breaking Up Too Big To Fail Banks: "Don't"
In a day full of "shocking" announcements, we just got the latest one. Because it must be truly a shock that none other than Goldman's Bill Dudley, who also moonlights as head of the New York Fed, is stoically against the break up of America's systemically critical, massive and 100% untenable FDIC-insured hedge funds, pardon megabanks. Such as Goldman.
From a just released speech ironically titled "Too Big To Fail"
I am not yet convinced that breaking up large, complex firms is the right approach. In particular, these firms presumably exist, in large part, because there are scale or network effects that allow these firms to offer certain types of services that have value to their global clients. These benefits might be lost or diminished if such firms were broken up. In addition, the costs incurred in breaking up such firms need to be considered. Finally, the breakup of such firms would not necessarily result in a significant reduction in overall systemic risk if the resulting component firms were still, collectively, systemic.
That is so wrong and frankly moronic, as to border on the grotesque.
These megabanks only exist because the regulatory and financial climate in the US (and the entire world) is one which promotes consolidation to such a point where it is in every bank's best interest to become as big and as systematically critical as possible in the shortest amount of time, and thus to always get bailed out whenever it is threatened with that other part of the Return equation: Risk.
For Dudley to not even remotely admit this is disingenuous, naive and frankly, idiotic.
The remainder of the Bill "just eat hedonic iPads" Dudley's drivel can be found here.
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Fuck Bill Dudley.
Up the ass.
With a SCUD missile.
"NELL...I can't beelieve it!" Dudley DooRight
The gent has earned pole position..
in the guillotine line.
'tis a far, far better thing we do to him..
does anyone know if you can make thumb screws with a 3D printer?
Tres. Sec in waiting...
TBTF banker says "...I am not yet convinced that breaking up large, complex firms is the right approach...."
Fully agree. Who is going to decide how the breakup should be structured? Obama? Give me a break.
But in the next crisis every bank gets the Lehmann treatment.
Finally, the breakup of such firms would not necessarily result in a significant reduction in overall systemic risk if the resulting component firms were still, collectively, systemic.
Hilarious.
Someone fill me in. Who is Bill Dudley and what importance does he have to my suffering town? Does he make clean water? Does he create manufacturing jobs? Does he provide essential services to seniors?
Please forgive my ignorance. Since he said something in the media, he must be important to the millions on food stamps, millions unemployed, and thousands of small businesses that are closing annually.
No?
I switched all of my accounts from TBTF/TBTJ banksters in 2009. Boycott the fuckers. Remember if we are on a gold or silver standard, you can can buy as much as you want with your FRN's at a rate of $1306 and $21 per troy oz. Fuck the FED and their fiat toilet paper.
Decentralization...
Centralization causes too much power to go into too few hands, hands which are then corrupted, fucking the entire system.
Dudley left it a bit late to make his Fed chairman election campaign speech, didn't he?
In-your-face, Obozo style corruption.
He is a naive ivory-tower inflationist.
It's a G30 world
http://www.group30.org/bio_dudley.shtml
And here are the rest of the nest of Vipers
http://www.group30.org/members.shtml
Including Carney
http://www.group30.org/bio_carney.shtml
and Mario http://www.group30.org/bio_draghi.shtml
and Larwyy
http://www.group30.org/bio_summers.shtml
G30, we like to control the IMF also, and the World Bank and IFC, that's why we have the same office suite and even the same fax number as that other major front / lobbyist, The Bretton Woods Committee
http://www.brettonwoods.org/page/contact
The Bretton Woods Committee
1726 M Street, NW, Suite 200
Washington, DC 20036, USA
Fax 202-785-9423
Group of 30,
1726 M Street, NW, Suite 200
Washington, DC 2003, USA
Fax 202-785-9423
We don't even have to put an NSA tap on the fax machine, we just read the faxes....smart eh?
lets see, the banks own nothing but debt created out of thin air and are completely
insolvent since having ditched mark to market,
it seems to me they are already broken up in the sence they hold essentially nothing real or secure.
Nice tits, though brains they are not.
Go see what those insolvent entities sucked out of thin air in the way of compensation in the past five years of non-lending. That's a trick only a TBTF can pull off.
In exchange for all that thin-air money, the banks have claims on probably 25% of the world's wealth.... and will seize it if their debtors can't pay off.
Pretty good racket if you ask me.
They exist because assholes like you keep bailing them out!
Ok Mr. Dudley we get it: status quo. Next bailout will be 100% financed by you and all your fellow banksters. Your salaries, bonuses, art collections, cars, yachts, planes, real estate etc.
Is that a fair deal?
Dudley just confirmed that the "market" infrastructure is a public utility and a not for profit manipulative corruption vehicle
It isn't a rent extraction tollway for parasites
I too am shocked that Billy Dudley, member of the Group of Thirty, founded by the Rockefeller Foundatin in 1978 to speak on behalf of the central banksters and speculators, would suggest such a thing. (Disclaimer: personally sd believes they should be razed to the ground, allowing nothing living to be left of them!).
http://www.group30.org/bio_dudley.shtml
And what a charming bunch they (Krugman, Summers, Draghi, Trichet, barf, barf, barf, ...) are:
http://www.group30.org/members.shtml
(Let's hear it for those Rockefellers, owners of so much, and former owners of the Warren Commission and Allen Dulles and John McCloy!)
Goldman + NY Fed = B.S.
I don't even bother reading what comes from a source like that.
Good time for bank run?
Is it ever a bad time?
Oh, well that will take care of itself when treasury's collapse.
Yes, that or the supply lines for essential commodities breaks < SNAP > at which point, and only at this point does "shit get real".
Same as it ever was.
Make simple concepts complex and complex problems simple....it's a great strategy to confuse the issue.
I don't want .gov breaking them up. I want a free market to do it as it should be.
Is a "free" market free enough to be manipulated by really smart-n-savvy people resulting in a less than "free" market, or is there something about a "free" market that keeps the smart-n-savvy people from manipulating it?
Reintroduce equal treatment under the law and see what the fuck happens to TBTF........
Is "the law" just something the adults tell bullshit stories to the children about, while the adults prove they are adults by working out creative ways to avoid "the law"?
Sadly, this is the result of the application of situational ethics (among other things) on a national scale. The fact that some get a pass while others must pay in full is due to government meddling and corporate greed, not 'free markets' or 'capitalism' as the propagandists would have you believe. We have petty thieves doing lengthy prison sentences while the criminal elite enjoy positions of power and authority over the citizenry. Can you not see this?
Re: Can you not see this?
And can you not see that the difference between an adult and a child is in living a duplicitous life.
Duplicity is the key to success, and self-delusion is the key to happiness.
The adults manipulate the children with bullshit about "laws" and "morals". Some children never figure things out.
Duplicity, ask for it by name!
Defeatism, brought to you by NOTaREALmerican.
He'd make a great teammate/friend/spouse wouldn't he?
Re: He'd make a great teammate/friend/spouse wouldn't he?
I didn't say I like or support it. I'm just telling what the reality of humans is.
If you want to believe some bullshit about reality that's fine with me, most people do.
Re: Defeatism, brought to you by NOTaREALmerican
Point me to an ISM that deals with humans as sociopaths. None of the ISM do: Libertarianism, socialism, communism, & capitalism can't deal with the end-game caused by the sociopaths simply manipulating - and eating the dumbasses alive - with bullshit.
Bullshit, ask for it by name!
Go choke on a IPAD
So don't break them up, clear them the fuck out...
roll the motherfucking guillotines and sever some fucking heads restoring real consequences for bad behavior. Be sure to have those guillotines roll right on down to K-street and also put an end to the gross mis-allocation and mal-investment of capital and resources once and for all. Nothing changes otherwise...
You could kill all the bankers and you would be ignoring the problem. The problem stems from our government representing big money interests instead of us the people. Fix that first. The bankers will be solved naturally after that.
Show of hands of all the OldFarts and NearOldFarts who were having "free enterprise" orgasms a few decades ago when TPTB were telling us that the US banks couldn't complete in "the world economy" and had to be allowed to merge so that "free enterprise" could flourish in the world and Merican banks would be able to lead this great-n-glorious country to greater greatness and gloryness.
Yeah, me too. Humans worship people in nice suits.
What they meant is that it would lead the population to being reduced to trying to make money working a glory hole, so they were kind of right.
"Finally, the breakup of such firms would not necessarily result in a significant reduction in overall systemic risk if the resulting component firms were still, collectively, systemic."
What an asshole this Dudley jerk is. Fuck him is right. Fuck you Dudley. Fuck you.
Too Big to Function....
Re: Too Big to Function
Well, they function pretty well at moving loot to the top 10%.
TOO BIG TOO JAIL!
Quoted from my DOW news feed:
Fed's Dudley: Sees 'Deep Seated' Cultural, Ethical Lapses at Many Financial Firms
Really? I'm shocked.
In the 90s, around crises like Peso Crisis, Asian Crisis, Russian Crisis, LTCM, equity markets still were compounding at incredible rates.
At that time, emerging market oligopolies were seen as attractive yet dangerous competitors.
Hyper leveraged European banks were seen as role models for American banks to be protectors of American Financial Empire and the reserve currency.
Hence, Glass Steagall's repeal allowed large banks to use their balance sheets aggressively, and it put a nail in the coffin of the Broker Dealers in the end ... Merrill, Lehman, Bear etc.
So of course Dudley wants TBTFs. That was the whole point for these guys, to create Leviathan.
Bill Dudley knows everyones shit's emotional right now.
circular logic is circular
"...these firms presumably exist, in large part, because there are scale or network effects that allow these firms to offer certain types of services that have value to their global clients."
Right, never mind that because of their insane gambling, they are fucking bankrupt.
Dudley's photo deserves to be permenantly mounted next to the dictionary definition of asshole.
What a Jackass!
How about if you make a loan you fucking own it? No CDOs, etc. Bring back the small community banks rather than the Mouth Breathing Employment Task Force known as Bank of America & Wells Fargo.
they should of been broken up in the 90's when ltcm went to shit but they are our masters & so our government will keep them alive
I've yet to see my neighborhood Credit Union finance a fucking war in the M.E............
Have any Japanese credit unions financed a mecha yet?
Seriously, let's just quit with the fucking desert bombing and leave them to sort it out with one another already.
Shift to hydrogen/alternative energies and say "fuck off" to the desert religions and their endless wars.
Make mecha and sexbots.
"Shift to hydrogen/alternative energies"- ah yes but, you still need an energy source to generate the hydrogen gas. Hydrogen gas is not an energy source, but it certainly is a good energy currency (yes despite many popular myths, hydrogen gas can be stored and transported much safer than gasoline).
I demand fhat they (and the FED) are let to fail and the people of the world get their retribution. China gets to nuke them. Russia gets to nuke them. India gets to throw sand on them and Brazil gets to throw them into a lake filled with piranha.
In particular, these firms presumably exist, in large part, because there are scale or network effects that allow these firms to offer certain types of services that have value to their global clients.
But the head of the New York Federal Reserve Bank can't name one.
He’s right of course but as Tyler said there is only one "scale effect" that matters and it rhymes with shmegmabatory rapture.
these firms offer certain types of services that have value to their global clients. These benefits might be lost or diminished if such firms were broken up.
translation
advertizing insider trading and market manipulation to global clients
Dudley POS. All I can say is I hope he is in the wrong place at the wrong time along with Dear Leader and the rest of them. So the taxpayer should be on the hook for them to unleash this benefit to large global clients and the implicit federal backing should allow them to gain monopolistic competitive advantage by resulting in lower funding costs . The wrong place and wrong time cannot come quickly enough for PsOS like this
The Blue Horseshoe Casino needs to be foreclosed on, stripped of its assets, demolished, and the owners put away for the millions of frauds perpetuated upon the masses. They would have a choice of gulliotine blade, swinging from the lampost or being boiled like a frog.
Dudley want you to enjoy your Stockholm Syndrome.
"Because people feel comforted by having a gun pointed at their head while their pockets are being emptied. They have grown accustomed to the certainty of the present situation."
This guy deserves a pickup ride with a chain on a gravel country road. Whee-haw.
This guy deserves a pickup ride with a chain on a gravel country road. Whee-haw.
thats just the start...then you dump the body in a septic tank so the wounds get nice and infected...then we are onto something...
How doess Dudley say all that with Jamie's cock in his mouth?
No problem Bill.
Simply change the constitution to make it a treasonous act for any person associated with the Federal governement to bail out (or even suggest the bailout of) any financial institution (punishable by say ... death) and wait six months. We'll see if there are really efficiencies there or, more likely, the market imposes a swift and brutal opacity discount to the shares that causes them to be broken up by the market.
Jackass....
repeat...
Dudley has the most to loose if the too big to fail are broken up.
Listening to the fed is like taking advice from the criminals best friends. They all have a common interest to concentrate power.
The 'Jefferson' quote is probably misattributed.... doesn't make it any less true, however.
But they in fact DO provide services that have value to thier global clients...one - only one - of which is campaign contributions to the politico that permit their kind to exist.
Why there was an example of this just the other day: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-05/guest-post-congress-sells-out-w...
Hopefully the Market will put them out of their misery.. for once and for all. Bernanke cannot hold back the forces of nature forever. Jail or Execute all those who repealed Glass steagel and allowed this travesty to happen.
He is right when he says " just breaking them up will not solve the systemic problem."
The systemic problem is part of the MINDSET, a consequence of which is the Supply side oligarchy financial cum outsource mantra, which confided the crown jewels of corporate profit and asset pumped nominal paper spike to the "best and brightest" financial cabal in charge of THAT bundle. Oh the great pastafarian festival which is currently underway in FED QE printing to infinity, to elect the great noodle of all noodle-doodle lovers of sheeple consumerista faith in fiat dictat! Yellen forever!
We have to go back to roots causes : Incestuous FED shareholders, fractional reserve, fiat hegemony based on reserve oil alliance, and then...NWO structural imbalance all for the 1%.
That is hubris unlimited as this was a road to hell for anybody who had read history. We have accumulated all the signs of putting your eggs in one basket without any moral or material collateral apart from nuclear arsenal. And that is a non starter unless you are, as a power elite, totally DR Strangelove compatible.
Yes, don't pull the plug on the TBTF UNLESS you go to the roots of the system.
Now its first world with back to the wall, and if we remember what happened last time, the knee jerk for these impotent Oligarchs will be to open the gates to the barbarians by forgetting debt is not asset; aka destroy all that is essential for the ephemereal smell of transient comfort of "our way of life in not negotiable"...Indeed.
there are scale or network effects that allow these firms to offer certain types of services - AKA rigging EVERYTHING.
The next bubble will be in guillotines, torches, tar, and pitchforks.
How about this Bill? You don't have to break them up, you could raise capital standards massively, forcing them to bring down leverage from 30 to 1 to 2 to 1. They could still serve God that way, it would just be less profitable and less systemically risky.
Not only "Break 'em up." let's hang these Bastards and Basterettes from the nearest light poles!
Crane the bankers
Not one of the 100 biggest companies in the world would suffer at all if you split them into 2, 3, 4. In fact most of these companies woud benefit from their new competition, and we would benefit from the reduced monopoly.
You could reduce the giant US banks down to two, and you would still need both of them to handle Facebook, Twitter, R-swipe's IPO.
Bill, if this is how your brain works, time to walk away, you've lost it pal.
Break 'em up, and jail the top ten layers of management for a start.
These are the people Dudley serves. This is what he says, imagine what he thinks. He is doing a fantastic job for his employers.
"Presumably????"
Global services such as: money laundering, FX fraud, derivatives hustling, and cash mismanagement.
Fuck em. Bust em down to gravel bits. And keep them there. This will force them to take advantage of the level of technical instant integration that we now have, to pool their resources when required, to offer any size of investment capital required from amongst them. Automatically spreading risk and forcing a level of cooperation and combined risk assesment from each. Risk being assesed against each other as participants to be able to front that capital as well. This will also keep them interested in serving the small end of the business. I think such a combined resource of capital would be very vibrant and resiliant. Almost, banks as crowd source.
This would also quickly weed out the big shots at the top who skate by on the loopholes, crime, and CEO network. They would have to be quicker, smarter and turning a profit at every level under their stewardship. Investors looking to buy into banking stocks can have a broader range of options to choose from. Spreading their investment wider. Spreading risk.