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Gold Monkey-Hammered Below $1300
The initial ramp-and-revert in gold (and silver) prices gave way to a $20 price collapse once Draghi began speaking - as if someone decided that Draghi's speech was somehow 'credibility-providing' for the status quo... we assume this move is reflective of Draghi's 'dis-inflationary' warnings (though th einitial move seemed sparked by the better-than-expected GDP print - so Taper on?) What the un-reflexive jerk in precious metals fails to see - it would seem - is the need for the European central bank to reflate by whatever means possible that deflationary trend...(even if the Fed slows, it will be back soon enough). Gold futures saw volume explode as he began speaking (and US GDP pronted) but price plunged and volume legged even higher as Draghi mentioned the 'd' word...
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Oh now this shit is just funny
Thank you, Super Mario. I can now buy more with the same number of USD fiats!
Anyone else feel like they are in a lawless alternative realtity written by Weird Al ... ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKIAn2UlAX4
Regards,
Cotoer
Speaking about alternate realities, I came across this a couple days ago and wondered "what would make the euro and gold crater like that?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCxPaWsSFJg
I LOVE a "Christmas Sale" day!
Ya, I just BTFD'd myself. Thanks Super Mario and Aunt Janet!
A very good overview of why America is like it is. The smashng of PM's is just one part of the big game and it has been going on for a long time.
It's called the grinding of America.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZJF3HalQOU
What dip? You mean the long deep valley dip since it peaked over $1800? If you think a $20 drop is a dip then a $500 one should have you buying everyday right?
Yeah. That gold stuff is strictly for jerks.
On todays episode of As The Debt Churns, Draghi opens his mouth and drops gold $20, Barry gets a visit from Reggie Love, and Valerie Iranian Mole Jarrett burrows another tunnel under the White House.
Naw . . its co-authored by the ghosts of Joe Stalin and Adolf Hitler
I wish is was lawless. It is only lawless for those at the top. The law is applied harshly to everyone else.
@ CrazyCooter:
C'mon man...how you could you throw that out there, but conveniently forget...."Wheel of Fish"?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KezvwARhBIc
P.S. I still upvoted you...just for the awesome reference.
P.S.S. - The Phylis Weaver's of the world, are those lost souls, riding-high, celebrating BTFATH...
They will get..."What's IN the Box"...
Smile and keep stackin', my friend!
The Chinese fiscal welfare train just keeps on a rolling.
Thank you, Super Mario.
It's Hyper Mario
Anyone know what's going on with the spell checker at ZH??
Has anyone noticed over the last few weeks especially?
I'm starting to think it could be an attempt to discredit the articles and their composers...
That is the NSA in the middle there, trying to see how educated you are so they can classify you. Give em a few weeks or so, they will get the bugs worked out.
Regards,
Cooter
Here's the take from Yahoo News:
Fed ‘Backed Into a Corner,’ Low Rates and QE Here To Stay: Belski"Quantitative easing doesn't work."
source: http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/breakout/fed-backed-corner-low-rates-qe-stay-belski-124559878.html
Note to Belski, et. al.: No shit Sherlock.
Fuck you Steve Leasman
Make that Liesman. Talk about your apt surname eh?
Gold and silver immediately fell on the 2.8% US GDP data at 8:30 AM not Draghi saying something:
The American economy grew 2.8% at an annualized pace in Q3, accelerating from Q2's 2.5% pace of growth and coming in well ahead of consensus estimates for 2.0%.
It trades on headlines, not supply and demand fundamentals....
That figure of "2.8% at an annualized pace in Q3" is just as valid as the inflation numbers.
'GDP' now just a direct measure of central bank infusion of cash to central banks.
Exactly..., +100
Bingo! It's taper-on now as the 10 Year Treasury yield is showing:
http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/bond/10_year
They fell because they made it fall. All the rest are just cover stories.
Just check out their usual 'waterfall' so-called 'price' chart.
Seen it all before.
This all reminds me of the stories from WW2 before the D Day invasion of Europe. They made all kinds of fake tanks and artillery ,etc out of paper mache and produced bogus radio traffic of troop movements to fake out the Germans.
The 'prices' we see, might as well be made out of cardboard.
Not cardboard..but close. It is paper Gold that has declined in price. Great deals are here. Stack while you can.
Please put some more pressure on that Jeffery Christian, jerk, over at Comex. Sooner or later the holders of Paper will demand delivery. I like to have a Camera in the room when that happens. I want to watch his face in total shock and horror when he sees that he ruined CME Group singlehandedly.
But what I really want to see is moves in the US Treasury Notes (Direction does not matter too much.). Since the Interest Rate Swaps have been levered to the hilt even minor changes can have major affects. When that goes out of balance that will bring CME Group, and the entire Gambling House, down, crashing into rubble and ashes.
It is just a matter of time. It is only a matter of time. And time is running very short.
Thanks Mario Draghi. Hopefully your announcement will collapse the entire system since they were not expecting the shock. Hopefully the shockwaves will set off the collapse.
Other than that...Have a great morning all...
all the gdp number from the ministry of lies was, was the current excuse to print up a bunch of metal and dump it on the market without regard for price in the slightest.
Bring on the collapse already for shit fuck sakes.
Get real. Gold tanked as the USD strengthens. Euro Currency Traders dumped Euros and bought the "Safe-Haven" US Dollar.
This happens every single time that a Major Foreign Currency is devalued. It is clockwork. It is a reaction to a stimulus.
It is just another buying opportunity for Gold as the Fiat Currencies of the World approach their true intrinsic value of ZERO.
Ho...Hum...So...in other news...
Just say "thank you" and go about your stacking...
We all know what the end looks like. I'm with you - the more time I have to convert my hours of work to PMs the better.
but check the production levels in China before you do that...
why, none of that gold will leave chinese vaults, ever.
Of course, they are producing more so that they can dump it all on the market @$999 and make their existing stockpiles... Oh, wait.
Numbers crunchers often believe that the numbers they have are real. Or they would have nothing to crunch.
What if theyre not . . . and we dont know how much PMs the Chinese have or produce ?
Would there be a reason they wouldn't tell the truth about that now ? (I'm sure you can think of a few.)
It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas! Buy the dip!
$750, or thereabouts.
But today let's buy some twitter guys, OK? Finally make some confetti rather than complain about slamming.
Over.
He's the Jon Nadler mini-me!
Who is complaining?
I will never buy Stawks. I do not buy into dishonest. What happens to Ill Gotten Gains?
They vanish. "And they're gone...gone...gone...gone. I'd like to meet you in a time..timeless place. Somewhere out of context where there are no consequences." ~ Anonymous
Fight Club..bitchez!!! Watch the end. It is fantastic.
November 17th. is the day to back up the truck if they stick to form.
OPEX 18th.
i wanna get in here and buy, but there's this horde of Chinese in front of me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You have to laugh. Just like any old bit of news is a good excuse to ramp stocks, any old bit of news is good enough for a PM smackdown.
ATTENTION GOLD BULLS
You WANT lower prices, lower prices will
a) Enable you to quietly add at cheaper prices
b) Get more and more people bearish
c) Force all the weak longs out
d) Enable the manipulators to switch from the short to long side, ie yours and their view/position is now alligned! And yes, the manipulators will switch because they're all about making money, up or down it doesn't matter
Yes it's hard right now, yes it's crazy watching all the money printing wherepaper assets hit new highs and value assets like gold hit new lows. But hold on!
>> But hold on!
I remember that being the rallying call during the tech meltdown.
So do I....was buying gold under $300 at the time. Seemed the logical thing to do.....got a hell of a deal on the shipping.
Remember when gold hit $500? I thought I must be insane to be buying at that price... but I did anyway. It took a lot of faith to forge ahead -- just like it does now. It was too "expensive" then in the mind of the average fella on the street and it's the same now. It will always seem to be priced too high, until it's not.
I know folks who bought in at $300 and never bought anymore because they thought it was too high!!!
I wasn't buying gold back then, but I was buying silver at $5. Silver was $5 forever it seemed. I remember my wife giving me a hard time for buying silver at <gasp> $8! She thought I was an idiot and I should wait for $5 silver to return. I'm sure there are a lot of people out there waiting for $5 silver and $300 gold to return... I wish them luck.
I got my PHD in Tradenomics during the tech meltdown. It cost me a bundle but I still remember the lessons learned. And yes, the choir was singing "hang on!!! hang on!!! all the way down.
>> ....was buying gold under $300 at the time.
Yeah, gold only briefly made the journey below $300, but it's amazing how many people got on board there. I think I'm the only bug out there without a big old bag of sub-$300 gold.
I bought my first eagles at $461, including premium, and my first silver at $7.59, including premium. I still have the receipt. I made my last purchase @ $1,200, but that was some time ago. Still have every bit of it, but that doesn't stop me from voicing my opinion.
Yeah, gold only briefly made the journey below $300
Naw it was a good year and a half chief. I should know. I bought it at $273 and watched it fall to $256. Thank goodness the LMBA sent some cheerleaders to consul me.....I never would have made it otherwise.
Now's the time for PM accumulation, not price appreciation
Just take care of the first part- - the second will take care of itself.
Global Governence, NWO or whatever fancy Psyche Warfare/PsyOp lingo The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate would like to use is all identical to them. The goal all done by design & all done by Agenda is Centralized Power of the Worlds Governments with vertically integrated Global Economies owned & controlled by them.
A New World Order or New World Banking Order for The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Banking Intelligece Crime Sydicate. Next stop, Serfdom in a Totalitrian Authoritarian Global Fascist Police State Dictatorship.
It's like killing a zombie fur seal. You bash it over the head one morning, it lays there dead, but the next morning it's getting up and needs a good clubbing one mo agin.
They bust his head reeel gud today.
Good thing gold isn't really money
Well apparently it's not real money...if they can choke the shit it out daily like they're doing, what makes anyone think later it will suddenly turn around and kick central banksters in the nutsack and defeat them?
If The Global Criminal Oligarch Cabal Bankster Intelligence Crime Syndicate could blow Gold's brains out like they did Kennedy, they would do it.
Paper gold is not real money. Try picking up some physical metal, in size, at this price. Now if you got to the welfare moms on the street, you might be able to buy their gold teeth at spot or below, but if you want investment grade, good luck.
Gold, bitchez! (Someone had to say it.)
I have no problem acquiring bullion. I do not pay that much over spot for it.
But I would rather get Scrap well back of Spot, have it refined, and take delivery. That way the Price Declines really are of no real cost. I have no problem doing that from Welfare Moms or others.
It is just something to consider.
Actually a Price Decline to $750 would not hurt me too much at all...if any.
I do not measure my wealth in the amount of Toilet Paper which I have.
Newly printed Currency, made of Silk Paper, is quite soft and durable. There is the added benefit that you can always spend it afterwards. Why waste money by flushing it down the Toilet?
Tyler Durden would like that. It was funny when he was selling rich women soap which he had made from the fat that they had lost from liposuction.
That is a great movie.
For your viewing pleasure:
http://viooz.co/movies/1486-fight-club-1999.html
All need to watch it again...
If they can 'bad rate cut, good rate cut' this shit like they're doing, they'll hammer gold and silver into oblivion....and still no one does anything to stop the lunatics. Scary world!
When a trader can make money buying the new tech IPO du jour, why should he/she bother with the barbarous relic? The game of musical chairs music is playing faster and faster.
You always get the best price whe you dump it all at once. At least that's what the traders tell me.
Because the euro is deflating and getting more valuable by the day, so if you don't dump zee gold at once, you may miss out on that appreciation, riiight?
The economy is not growing. All government numbers are bogus. Real GDP is shrinking. Obamacare will guarantee a horrible holiday shopping season. I buy gold and silver and could care less about so-called government econometrics.
The present occupant of the Oval Office is a perfect representative of our federal government and banking governance, a total fraud:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uy2K5...layer_embedded
I'll put this on The Big Board for everyone to see. Learn to stop worrying and love the financial bomb. long live the republic
Thank you. Every American needs to see/listen to this interview. The ring of truth is clarion. Barry Soetoro is a fraud, a lair, a poser, and a criminal. It is obvious that TPTB wanted the perfect puppet in the Oval Office, a man without a soul and without a conscience, a man with no morals and no allegiance, and a sociopathic liar to boot. To be blunt Barry Soetoro is a low life scumbag moocher and loser. TPTB decided to implement the "Trading Places" plan, though using a far sleazier and dangerous character than the one played by Eddie Murphy. I'm sure they are pleased with the outcome. The re-election of one Barry Soetoro (aka Barrack Obama), a recivitist illegal-drug-abusing homosexual identity thief and pathological liar, to the presdency is proof positive that the political process in American is fatally flawed.
Cool. Gold on sale. Buy all you can.
I think our friends were worried, as usual. While the ECB rate cut caused Euro stocks and gold to rise sharply, this was followed by PM smack down. The rise in gold was logical and Euro stocks held their gains. But the boys couldn't let this signal from PM be seen. Stocks rising is different, of course, sends the "right" message.
It is almost like they are trying to change the impressions of people how PM will historically act. Desperately trying to convince people that the PM of today is not like the PM of yesterday.
There is no difference.
All the actions of Monkey-bashing PM come at a price and even fractional bankstering and ETF manipulation will not change that
You are right, in the long run, but they will push on as long as they are successful.
NWO shills in Turkey are mocking coin shops that are shutting down business due to lack of profits. (Around 10% of the shops in Istanbul closed this year)
Currency collapse in free world requires a nice paint job. No doubt they crapped their pants when gold started rising. EUR and USD are the same currency and their exchange rates mean nothing at all to real gold. Both fiat currencies are part of the same Central Bank rigged FOREX system where rates are agreed upon and held in bands with printing presses. Their paper has no control or bearing on real gold because unlike their paper, there is a physical component. Gold will always adjust over time.
Draghi is at zerp now..it will make no difference to the Euro economy. Couple years of zirp then the EURO money printing starts.....provided the USD is still intact.
Gawd I wish there were some chart or ticker that showed me what the stuff is ACTUALLY worth, this shit is just getting old.
I love discounts as much as the next guy, but damn....only so much screaming the merchants can do about firesales until it falls on deaf ears.
the premiums overseas are in the range of 30-50 higher per ounce. on the black market in india, its wild....much, much higher.
$150-200 premiums in India.
and that's still a bargain in india. what are we at now? 59 claims to every ounce of actual gold the Comex and LBMa SAY they have?
gonna be a lot of surprised people finding out they don't own any real gold in December
.. they are opening the stores ON Thanksgiving Day now..
that should tell you something.
Yeah, 'cos you might be half way through your Thanksgiving dinner and suddenly remember that you forgot to buy the turkey! Wouldn't that be embarrassing! Good thing you can now just quickly sneak out and buy a turkey before your guests notice anything is amiss!
Everyone knows you get richer if you go shopping 7 days per week instead of one day per week. It's all those impulse buys ...
You don't like shopping? Are you a terrrrst?
this could be it tho, for the smackdown game.
they are running on fumes at the Comex and LBMA
the Chinese have managed to get about all there is to get.
the idiot at Citi might have been right this once.
next stop, the implosion
Fuck you Bernanke and O'le Yellen....
bought shiny yesterday....buying more today......HA - Ha!!!
More to do with dollar strength than Draghi.
When the Euro weakens, because of Draghi's action, Euro Currency owners trade the Euro for US Dollars. This increases demand for US Dollars. Thus the price for US Dollars rises accordingly.
The US Dollar "strength" is relative to Euro weakness. It has EVERYTHING to do with what Draghi did today.
The employment figures make it clear the economy is nowhere near growing.
All short term noise.
Dips are buying opps.
Phhh, Gold? Why go to all the bother of prospecting for gold-bearing rock structures, drilling countless core samples, building a mine, processing the rock tailings, smelting and refining the ore and securely storing the ingots WHEN you can sit back in your chair, take a quick break from watching porn, and create some money with a few key strokes? Fiat currency - it does a body good. The fact that gold has a 5,000 year old track record while most unbacked currencies have a life-expectancy of 40-50 years is entirely immaterial.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qFYmsuC01c
Your rating proves that people don't read thoroughly. Shoot first and ask questions later sort of thing. I enjoyed your comment!
+100
Sometimes people judge because of the previous history of posts rather than on the content of that which is posted.
FixItAgainTimmy is correct in this post. I gave him a Thumbs Up...
I enjoyed that comment also.
The Banksters are mad at Bitcoin so they're taking it out on PMs.
They'll keep hitting PMs until they can't and then look-out. Just keep stacking.
I wish Taylor would "monkey-hammer" me, if you know what I mean.. *wink wink*
http://www.safehaven.com/article/31719/gold-bear-to-end-with-a-bang
That's some sorry-assed manipulation -they're losing their touch - can't even hold it below 1300 into the market open - what, are they running out of paper now too?
Draghi presse conference - interesting answer to the question WHY A 2% INFLATION TARGET?:
Answer:
BECAUSE OF POSSIBLE MODEL FLAWS - TO AVOID THAT WE MEASURE 1% AND ITS ACTUALLY -2%. HE DIDN'T EVEN IMPLY ONE MILLISECOND THAT THIS ALSO MEANS THAT IT COULD VERY WELL BE AT 3%.
This comes as close as it can for a central banker to admit that the are inflating debt away!
Answer...Because the Central Bank's intent is to steal One Half of your Purchasing Power over the next 35 Years.
(Use the Rule of 70 to figure that out.)
Few understand Compounding Interest and cannot think Exponentially. Therefore 2% does not really sound like much to most.
So they can get away with it...they think.
That is why they hate Gold. They cannot inflate that away as they cannot control it. Personally I seek appreciation rather than depreciation.
Yet the misinformed and ignorant masses do not know to seek anything at all. That is also why they get away with it.
this seems counter-intuitive to me. woudn't a rate cut and deflation forecast result in a higher price of gold vs a lower price?
i don't understand this market.
Gold would go down with deflation, but not as much as everything else.
It would maintain its purchasing power, paper not anywhere near so much.
But the definition of deflation IS that the paper buys more.
Paper assets excluding actual currency.
I see your problem: stop thinking of this as a "market".
It's easy really: all you really need to understand is that there's really nothing to understand.
See?
First you kick the guy in the nuts because his head is harder to reach. Then when he keels over, you kick him in the face for maximum ROI.
Part of the reason they do this is to instil fear. It keeps folks who might decide to buy gold out of the market because they see wild swings and are afraid they will suffer a loss. As if you don't have the same risk in any investment. But try to tell them that. It seems lost on people that the down side risk doesn't run to zero like so many other things.
Twitter: profit is not important now for us, we can get it at any moment ... we heard it already ... sweet memories 1999 ...
Comex Registered Gold Falls To New Low at 640,552 Ounces - Claims Per Ounce Still Around High of 59
Jesse reports another New Low at COMEX. With this rate of outflow COMEX will be empty very soon - can we assume that now higher Gold prices will come to save it? http://sufiy.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/comex-registered-gold-falls-to-new-low.html#
Good report. I want to see Jeffery Christian's face in shock and awe when he understands that he destroyed CME Group singlehandedly.
Banksters are asserting control with every move they make in all markets and we the people stand by powerlessly. This will not stop until we the people stand up against them. Where are our champions??
Answer: Playing nicely along with our masters collecting scraps from the bloody feast.
Ha! The only 'growth' is the growth in unpayable debt....FOOLS!
Here's a cool thing I learned. Funds in China have been taking in MASSIVE amounts of cash via bank financial products to short the crap out of gold. At the same time, the companies doing it have been buying up physical with their profits. It's kinda funny to see. It's all cool though, cus they are backing the loans using US insurance companies. It's all pretty win-win. If gold goes up, us insurance companies on are the hook for billions and I get my 10% ROI. If gold goes down I get my 10% ROI.
Thanks for the confirmation.
Most here surmised this about a month ago.The PBOC is a major player
in GLD shorting down the phys price and spending worthless dollars they will never be paid
back.How can the FedRes complain about it ?The irony is sweet.
If you are going to be raped anyway,lie back and enjoy it.
This gives us a great look into the how and why fraudulent, corrupt systems fail. The fraudulent paper gold system will fail, by the very mechanism you outline...
Yep, it's all glorious bullshit. Endless piping hot steamy bullshit, built on a base of more bullshit. But hey, what the fuck, why not jump on the bandwagon and get your 10% with zero actual risk? As long as the system doesn't break by the time the contract is up, investors get their money, the funds get their profit (which turns into physical gold) and the insurance companies get their premiums, which turn into RMB-denominated profits which are funneled through to a tax-free haven yet are still "pretend dollars" that they can claim for their next profit statement.
Until of course, the day that it doesn't work out. In which case the insurance companies get bailed out by the us government, because allowing them to fail would end the world.
Just doing my little part to make the world a worse place I guess.
meanwhile bitcoin over 300 now.
Every day that goes by..I see the games that are being played worldwide..and i want to get out of the stadium...gold is a way of doing that...but I think more and more people should be doing the same and seeing the same things I am..but I also think we are still only 3% of investors...most of the rest are still playing....and can´t figure out why?????? I see our Obamacare..and I see in a year that will cost and extra trillion dollars in printed money as it will be a gigantic failure...only the takers signing up....they payers will not....destroying our healthcare as we know it..and our employment will drop because of it...layoffs or parttime....so the only thing to do is print...and they will....trillions more.....and try to tax more...but that will slow the economy even more.....if we add 5 trillion to the worlds fiat next year gold should be up.....I think it will be..but these days makes one wonder
If you are a professional gambler, and can borrow money at zero rates to ply your trade, and you will be forgiven for cheating or not repaying your debts, why wouldn't you?
Because it is...immoral??? That is why I will not play the Stawk Market.
Before any recovery ever happens morality must make a strong comeback. So much trust has been violated that I do not believe that this generation will ever place trust in Bankers or Politicians again in their lifetime. Actually that will be one of the benefits of a Total Financial Collapse...which is Mathematically unavoidable at present.
Exponential Growth leads to exponential collapse in any adiabatic system. It is unsustainable Mathematically. The rate of Growth of Revenue has diverged from the Exponential Rate of Growth of Debt which ensures collapse. There is no rational denial of this outcome. Math does not lie. People who use Statistics might. But the Mathematical Truths are there for all to see and the consequences are unavoidable.
Doing that which is moral and just may cost you profits in the short term. But the benefits far exceed any transitory gains from being thieving and conniving. That is why I will not act in such a self destructive and wreckless manner.
Morality and profit-taking are mutually exclusive in this market. Don't expect right and proper behavior from these scoundrels!
Be thee well and worry not
lo yon banksters- full of snot.
Greedy stoopids bent for hell
freak ye not, it will be well.
Just keep stacking shiny metal
yellow, white or copper-petal.
Ore grade is slight and not increasing
only fiat, ever leasing
time from gold, but shitheads play
not knowing that when comes the day
when their game ends, and not so well
their sorry souls will burn in hell.
As for me and all my kin
the same is true now as then-
patience makes a hunter whole
so cave not to the stupid troll!
Chiang Kai-shek shipped the Chinese gold off the China mainland and over to Taiwan one moonless night. Or, that's the story, anyhow.
The US gov loaned the Nationalists in China 135 million dollars to help the war effort in China against the communists, the Red Army.
The Nationalists bought real estate in New York City.
Why spend all that money on stupid armaments that will be salvaged when you can buy entire city blocks in NYC?
Seems like alot of 'Assets' have run amuck asof late...
Also there is a mega gold transfer in hawaii this week, complete with chinese escort, under guise of another military drill.. except in this drill, they get to keep the gold..
PM holders: What is considered to hold more value - coins, ingot, or does it not matter and why?
Bullion coins issued by government mints such as US, Austria, Canada and Australia are to be preferred, despite small premia. Whne dealing with gold bullion, counterfeiting is always a concern. Most will not accept a bar without an assay. If a mint bullion coin meets Fisch test and specs, most will accept on it's face as genuine. I like silver american eagles too.
Fill a glass with cold water, then put your glass on top of electronic scale.
Tie the coin to a light knot and sink it on the glass. Make sure it's completely underwater while holding the coin through the knot at the same time.
The increase in weight of the glass equals the weight of the water displaced by the coin. That's 1.612 g for one ounce of pure gold, and 1.927 g for krugmans.
More reliable than Fisch.
You'd be stupid not to sell your shiney and buy twitter shares. Then after you cash the twitter shares in for double your money you can buy a small SA country.