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Guest Post: Is America Being Deliberately Pushed Toward Civil War?

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Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

In 2009, Jim Rickards, a lawyer, investment banker and adviser on capital markets to the Director of National Intelligence and the Office of the Secretary of Defense, participated in a secret war game sponsored by the Pentagon at the Applied Physics Laboratory (APL). The game’s objective was to simulate and explore the potential outcomes and effects of a global financial war. At the end of the war game, the Pentagon concluded that the U.S. dollar was at extreme risk of devaluation and collapse in the near term, triggered either by a default of the U.S. Treasury and the dumping of bonds by foreign investors or by hyperinflation by the private Federal Reserve.

These revelations, later exposed by Rickards, were interesting not because they were “new” or “shocking.” Rather, they were interesting because many of us in the field of alternative economics had ALREADY predicted the same outcome for the American financial system years before the APL decided to entertain the notion. At least, that is what the public record indicates.

The idea that our government has indeed run economic collapse scenarios, found the United States in mortal danger, and done absolutely nothing to fix the problem is bad enough. I have my doubts, however, that the Pentagon or partnered private think tanks like the RAND Corporation did not run scenarios on dollar collapse long before 2009. In fact, I believe there is much evidence to suggest that the military industrial complex has not only been aware of the fiscal weaknesses of the U.S. system for decades, but they have also been actively engaged in exploiting those weaknesses in order to manipulate the American public with fears of cultural catastrophe.

History teaches us that most economic crisis events are followed or preceded immediately by international or domestic conflict. War is the looming shadow behind nearly all fiscal disasters. I suspect that numerous corporate think tanks and the Department Of Defense are perfectly aware of this relationship and have war gamed such events as well. Internal strife and civil war are often natural side effects of economic despair within any population.

Has a second civil war been “gamed” by our government? And are Americans being swindled into fighting and killing each other while the banksters who created the mess observe at their leisure, waiting until the dust settles to return to the scene and collect their prize? Here are some examples of how both sides of the false left/right paradigm are being goaded into turning on each other.

Conservatives: Taunting The Resting Lion

Conservatives, especially Constitutional conservatives, are the warrior class of American society. The average conservative is far more likely to own a firearm, have extensive tactical training with that firearm, have military experience and have less psychological fear of conflict; and he is more apt to take independent physical action in the face of an immediate threat. Constitutional conservatives are also more likely to fight based on principal and heritage, rather than personal gain, and less likely to get wrapped up in the madness of mob activity.

What’s the greatest weakness of conservatives? It’s their tendency to entertain leadership by men who claim exceptional warrior status, even if those men are not necessarily honorable.

Constitutional conservatives are the most substantial existing threat to the establishment hierarchy because, unlike dissenting groups of the past, we know exactly who the guiding hand is behind economic and social calamity. In response, the overall conservative culture has come under relentless attack by the establishment using the Administration of Barack Obama as a middleman. The goal, I believe, is to misdirect conservative rage toward the Democratic left and away from the elites. The actions of the White House have become so absurd and so openly hostile as of late that I can only surmise that this is a deliberate strategy to lure conservatives into ill-conceived retaliation against a puppet government, rather than the men behind the curtain.

Department of Defense propaganda briefings with military personnel have been exposed. These briefings train current serving soldiers to view Tea Party conservatives and even Christian organizations as “dangerous extremists.” Reports from sources within Fort Hood and Fort Shelby confirm this trend.

The DOD has denied some of the allegations or claimed that it has “corrected” the problem; however, Judicial Watch has obtained official training documents through a Freedom of Information Act request that affirm that extremist profiling is an integral part of these military briefings. The documents also cite none other than the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) as a primary resource for the training classes. The SPLC is nothing more than an outsourced propaganda wing for the DHS that attacks Constitutional organizations and associates them with terrorist and racist groups on a regular basis. (Check pages 32-33.)

This indoctrination program has accelerated since January 2013, after Professor Arie Perliger, a member of a West Point think tank called Combating Terrorism Center (and according to the sparse biographical information available, a man with NO previous U.S. military experience), published and circulated a report called “Challengers From The Sidelines: Understanding America’s Violent Far Right” at West Point. The report classified “far right extremists” as “domestic enemies” who commonly “espouse strong convictions regarding the federal government , believing it to be corrupt and tyrannical, with a natural tendency to intrude on individuals’ civil and constitutional right."  The profile goes on to list supporting belief in "civil activism, individual freedoms, and self government” as the dastardly traits of evil extremists.

Soldiers have been told that associating with “far right extremist groups” could be used as grounds for court-martial. A general purge of associated symbolism has ensued, including new orders handed down to Navy SEALs that demand that operators remove the “Don’t Tread On Me” Navy Jack patch from their uniforms.

The indoctrination of the military also follows on the heels of a massive media campaign to demonize Constitutional conservatives who fought against Obamacare in the latest debt ceiling debate as “domestic enemies” and “terrorists.” I documented this in my recent article “Are Constitutional Conservatives Really the Boogeyman?”

Obama and his ilk have been caught red-handed in numerous conspiracies, including Fast and Furious, which shipped American arms through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives into the hands of Mexican drug cartels. And how about the exposure of the IRS using its bureaucracy as a weapon to harass Tea Party organizations and activists? And what about Benghazi, Libya, the terrorist attack that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton allowed to happen, if they didn’t directly order it to happen? And let’s not forget about the Edward Snowden revelations, which finally made Americans understand that mass surveillance of our population is a constant reality.

To add icing to the cake, a new book called Double Down, which chronicles the Obama campaign of 2012, quotes personal aides to the President who relate that Obama, a Nobel Peace Prize winner, when discussing his use of drone strikes, bragged that he was “really good at killing people.”

Now, my question is, why would the Obama Administration make so many “mistakes,” attack conservatives with such a lack of subtlety, and attempt to openly propagandize rank-and-file soldiers, many of whom identify with conservative values? Is it all just insane hubris, or is he serving his handlers by trying to purposely create a volatile response?

Liberals: Taking Away The Cookie Jar

Many on the so-called “left” are socially oriented and find solace in the functions of the group, rather than individualism. They seek safety in administration, centralization and government welfare. Wealth is frowned upon, while “redistribution” of wealth is cheered. They see government as necessary to the daily survival of the nation, and they work to expand Federal influence into all facets of life. Some liberals do this out of a desire to elevate the poverty-stricken and ensure certain educational standards. However, they tend to ignore the homogenizing effect this strategy has on society, making everyone equally destitute and equally stupid. Their faith in government subsidies also makes them vulnerable to funding cuts and reductions in entitlements. The left normally fights only when their standard of living and comfort to which they have grown accustomed plummets below a certain threshold, and mob methods are usually their fallback form of retaliation.

Austerity cuts, which the mainstream media calls the “sequester,” are beginning to take effect. But, they are being applied in areas that are clearly meant to create the most public anger. Reductions in welfare programs are also being implemented in a way that will certainly agitate average left-leaning citizens. The debt debate itself revolved around those who want the government to spend within its means versus those who want the government to spend even more on welfare programs no matter the consequence. The loss of subsidies is at bottom the greatest fear of the left.

A sudden and inexplicable shutdown of electronic benefit transfer cards (EBT cards or food stamps) occurred in more than 17 States while the debt debate just happened to be climaxing. This month, cuts to existing food stamp funds have taken effect, and food pantries across the country are scrambling against a sharp spike in demand.

Remember, about 50 million Americans are currently dependent on EBT welfare in order to feed themselves and their families. The response to the relatively short EBT shutdown last month was outright fury. Imagine the response in the event of a long-term shutdown, or if extraneous cuts were to occur? And where would that anger be directed? Since the entire debt debacle has been blamed on the Tea Party, I suspect conservatives will be the main target of welfare mobs.

The left, once just as opposed to government stimulus and banker bailouts as the right, is now unwittingly throwing its support behind infinite stimulus in order to cement the continued existence of precious Federal handouts. The issue of Obamacare has utterly blinded liberals to fiscal responsibility. Universal healthcare, perhaps the ultimate Federal handout, is a prize too titillating for them to ignore. Democrats will now go to incredible lengths to defend the Obama White House regardless of past crimes.

They are willing to ignore his offenses against the 4th Amendment and personal privacy. They are willing to look past his offenses against the 1st Amendment, including the Constitutional right to trial by jury for all Americans, and Obama’s secret war against the free speech of whistle-blowers. They are willing to shrug off his endless warmongering in the Mideast, his attempts to foment new war in Syria and Iran, and his support for predator drone strikes in sovereign nations causing severe civilian collateral damage. They are willing to forget Snowden, mass surveillance and executive assassination lists — all for Obamacare.

And the saddest thing of all? It is likely that Obamacare was never meant to be successful in the first place.

Does anyone really believe that the White House, with billions of dollars at its disposal, could not get a website off the ground if it really wanted to? Does anyone really believe that Obama would launch the crowning jewel of his Presidency without making certain that it was fully operational, unless this was part of a greater scheme?  And how about his promise that pre-existing health care plans would not be destroyed by Obamacare mandates?  Over 900,000 people in the state of California alone are about to lose their health care insurance due to the Affordable Healthcare Act.  Why would Obama go back on such a vital pledge unless he WANTED to piss off constituents?

Already, liberal websites and forums across the blogosphere are abuzz with talk of sabotage of the Obamacare website by “the radical right” and the diabolical Koch Brothers (liberals had no idea who they were a year ago, but now, they the go to scapegoat for everything). Once again, conservatives are presented as the culprits behind all the left’s troubles.

As I have stated in the past, Obamacare is designed to fail. The government has no capacity to fund it, and never will. Its only conceivable purpose is to further divide the country and excite both sides of the false paradigm into attacking each other as the reason the system is failing, when both sides should be questioning whether the current system should exist at all.

As the situation stands today, at least 50 million welfare recipients and who knows how many others exist as a resource pool for the establishment to be used to wreak havoc on the rest of us. All they have to do is take away the cookie jar.

Who Would Win?

Who would prevail in a second American civil war? Tactically speaking, conservatives have the upper hand and are far better prepared. Food rioters wouldn’t last beyond three to six weeks as starvation takes its toll, and mindless mobs would not last long against seasoned riflemen. The military, though suffering purges by the White House, still contains numerous conservatives within its ranks. Outside influences, including NATO or the United Nations, are a possibility. There are numerous factors to consider. But I would point out that the most dangerous adversary Constitutional conservatives face is not the left, Obama, or a Federal government gone rogue. Rather, our greatest adversary is ourselves.

If lured into a left/right civil war, would most conservatives be able to see beyond the veil and recognize that the fight is not about Obama, or the Left, or tyrannical government alone? Could we be co-opted by devious influences disguised as friends and compatriots? Will we end up following neocon salesmen and military elites who materialize out of the woodwork at the last minute to "lead us to victory" while actually leading us towards globalization with a slightly different face?

If a civil conflict has been war gamed by the establishment, you can bet they have contingency plans regardless of which side attains the upper hand. In the end, if we do not make the fight about the bankers and globalists, the Federal Reserve, the International Monetary Fund, the Council On Foreign Relations, etc., then everyone loses. Who wins in a new American civil war? If we become blinded by the trespasses of a certain White House jester, only the globalists will win.

 

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Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:31 | 4133431 Rehab Willie
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DHS is way ahead of you

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:19 | 4133587 PLira
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DHS ain't shit. Yeah, 30 to 1 they rock but if this lights off nationally, they're fucked.

They will be overwhelmed in the cities, which is why it's not a good idea to be there. They overall are out-gunned and out-manned nationally.

Should they chose to expand from the cities, where most the sheep live, to the rural areas they will meet determined resistance, from what I've heard on the interwebs and prep expos. Do you realize how fast a city or area can be de electrified by simple bullets into a substation;s transformers? It happened just recently in the Midwest. I'm of the thinking that it was a test, which worked well. Still no perps fingered. All the propagandist TV turned off.

Can't go any further, but just know that there are lots of pissed off liberty minded peeps outside the cities who will step up, even though they would rather not. Some militias have even gone so far as to get lists of LEO's, Fed employees and judges home addresses, from what I've heard.

Overall, DHS is a puny force against collective anger of those who aren't sheeple. That anger grows every day. Obama knew this was coming which is why he has more than 72 categories of domestic terrorists which include, constitutionalists. He wants this to happen, imho

/rant

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:28 | 4133617 So What
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Conservative Constitutionalists? what a joke. FYI They're christian zionists. Want them to shut up? just do a false flag and pin it on the Al Ciaqada. LOL.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:15 | 4133792 chumbawamba
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Dear Father in Heaven:

If it be Your will that man once again descend into chaos, we pray that You give Your people the wisdom to know those things to know when it is time to know them.  You know of what I speak, Father.

In Yahshua's name we pray.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:56 | 4133976 New World Chaos
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Amen.  This decade will be interesting times.  A time of degradation, delusions, false flags, madness of the fear-driven mob.   False prophets will turn even the wisest into useful idiots, but "Ye shall know them by their fruits".  May good people finally have the wisdom to see through the BS and distinguish allies from enemies.

 

 

Blessed are the Bums, for they do not feed the Beast.

Blessed are the Weed Growers, for they inspire others to not feed the Beast.

Blessed are the Survivalists, for they will inherit the Earth.

Blessed are they who hunger for the Great Reset, for every day they are denied, the Reset will be more fierce.

Blessed are they who overturn the tables of the bankers, for they channel Yahshua.

Blessed are the Acidheads, for they will see God.

Blessed are the Rednecks, for they will Get Shit Done.

Blessed are the Crazies, for only they know the Truth.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 05:23 | 4134366 ManWithaPlan
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Wooo, blessed 7 times! Now if I could just find...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:10 | 4134930 scrappy
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Thanks!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 06:16 | 4134395 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Who's Yahshua, that's a new one.

For all the christians does it even matter that the earth decends into chaos and they die as this just hastens the arrival in heaven and eternal life. This whole praying and christian thing just never adds up. Why pray at all, what's it matter what happens on earth, when compared to an eternal afterlife. Surely these meager 80 years on earth are hardly worth even discussing. All you need to do, surely, is quitely be a true believer in christ and you'll be saved. Everything else is fluff isn't it.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:47 | 4134555 Watauga
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Prayer matters in that through prayer one usually places oneself, as the miserable sinner he is, humbly before God, sking for forgiveness for his sins and asking God that HIS WILL be done.  THAT is really what prayer is all about--rejecting our nature as sinful, prideful, self-centered men and becoming the liberated from sin through the Will of God.  We are Sisyphus.  But is is ludicrous to believe that Sisyphus honestly prefers is eternal fate.  Our only hope of escaping that Hell is Jesus Christ.  So, Christians ask God that His Will be done so that they may be saved through Christ.  Prayer is the means by which they do this.  Prayer is the means by which they place themselves, if they are truly blessed through the Grace of God in the Holy Spirit, in a proper relationship with God.  Interestingly, in the Protestant churches, prayer is not a means of Grace (i.e., it is not a sacrament).  But sometimes I wonder. . .

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:35 | 4134702 BringOnTheAsteroid
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Um, actually it was a bit of a rhetorical question to be honest. If god does exist I'd like to punch the asshole in the face for allowing the untold suffering of innocents, man, women, child and animal. All Christians have an epic case of Stockholm syndrome. You only need one prayer, EVER. Dear god, please stop the horrible suffering of innocents, you fuck.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:50 | 4134810 UpAndComing
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Well...if you read the Enlgish version of the bible...you wouldn't have any idea of what said letters mean. Then again...the way that religion is presented in the US, you'd think it was written in English all along. Heaven forbid you ever mention that the bible was written in Hebrew ( and Aramaic...which may look almost the same to the naked eye).

Without getting into a long tangent rant on Abraham...the posterboy jew and, curiously, the model muslim...seeing as how the city of Abraham is prayed to 5 times a day all over the world....here goes:

YHWH ( aka Yeshua, Yashua, Yahway) is a proper noun referring to the God of Israel ( aka...the dude running shit). It is often translated "LORD" (with either all caps or with small caps to keep it distinct from occurrences of "adonai"). Elohim is the generic term for god or gods that only later became a proper name.

So...if you're reading the English version...you'd be seeing it as LORD.

 

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:20 | 4133818 PLira
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Yeah, I guess you're right. Stupid Bastards would rather die fighting than bend knee and die in chains.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:12 | 4134938 SWRichmond
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Who wins in a new American civil war?

Army of one.  Has anyone besides me noticed they're not running that ad anymore?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 14:55 | 4136158 Uncle Remus
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Maybe, but the Marines are hustling a different brand of recruit touting "Hispanic values" as opposed to "American values".

What's next, a Mexican flag patch?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:42 | 4133885 ISEEIT
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You apparently enjoy advertising your ignorance of "Christianity" in much the same way as krugman expresses his 'wisdom' of economics?

Taking positions contrary to what you have no accurate conception of isn't particularly intelligent.

It is human though so I do 'get it'.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:17 | 4134498 Blano
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Boy are you clueless.  Plenty of conservatives are aware there is a greater enemy than AQ.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:06 | 4133768 ISEEIT
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Sounds 'kewl' but it ain't gunna be.

'They' already know where most of these enemy combatants/insurgents/rebels/terrorist live. They have this shit planned to a tee, and you nor anyone else outside of the regime actually knows the battle plan.

What you can safely assume is that the bozo asshats playing the 'politician' role are NOT representative of the level of sophistication their masters are equipped with. 'People' like "Barry Soetoro" are simply long groomed apparatchiks of a much more insidious 'war'.

To think that the planners of that which has delivered 'America', and indeed the world from where it was as few as 20 years ago to where it is today are going to be simply defeated by a handful of well meaning but mostly dumb as fuck 'patriots' is silly.

Just sayin'.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:54 | 4133918 Future Jim
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Nailed it.

DHS also doesn't care about the people killing eachother. They will just go directly after their targets. They are more likely to shoot those who ask for help than to help them.

The evidence is now overwhelming that the puppetmasters behind DHS are trying to provoke an armed conflict with the American people.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:42 | 4134151 New World Chaos
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They are trying to provoke it before hyperinflation hits.  Mustn't fall for it.  It will be much easier for patriots to win if the cops and bureaucrats can't be sure that they will be paid for their souls.  The puppetmasters also hope to smear the patriots as having lost the moral high ground by shooting first.  So patriots will have to wait until the government does something so monstrous (Tiennamen or worse) that even their thickest Dudley Do-Right minions can see that they have chosen the wrong side.  Disloyalty within the system will cause chaos.  The best laid battle plans will be out the window.  In an attempt to avoid this, they will have to use widespread police state tactics on their own minions just to keep them in line.  That is when we will know their days are numbered.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:49 | 4134562 bunzbunzbunz
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How many other accounts do you upvote yourself with?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:40 | 4134155 Future Jim
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They are not dumb - just naive.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:50 | 4134565 Watauga
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Why, I wonder, does this have only 6 green "up" arrows and 12 red "down" arrows?  Can those who gave it the red "down" arrows explain exactly why they did that? 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:22 | 4135003 Nick Jihad
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I downvoted it because it promotes the meme of an omnicompentent fedgov, using conspiracy theory to dismiss the overwhelming evidence of fedgov incompetence that we all experience in our daily lives.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:27 | 4133611 johnQpublic
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there will be no civil war

silly to even believe its a possibility

the day i walk down the street to see a tv at the curb in front of every house on garbage day i will believe its a possibility

til then i'll be couching it watching always sunny in philadelphia reruns

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 14:58 | 4136171 Uncle Remus
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Not the brightest bulb in the box. You don't advertise non-compliance.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:38 | 4133654 bigrooster
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Fuck you all I am on team harkonnen!

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:52 | 4133703 Keyser
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Best beware the gom jabar from the Atreides abomination. 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:07 | 4134483 doctor10
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of course.  When they manage to blow out the petro-dollar the DC inside the beltway crowd doesn't plan to sit around and wait for the natives and pitchforks to show up.

That's what "Homeland Security" is all about in the end--DC will be a ringed fortress. DHS

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:32 | 4133433 hankwil74
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Right.  Because a gov't agency could never in a million years fuck something up.  Obama must have wanted Obamacare to fail!

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:47 | 4133471 Buckaroo Banzai
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I think they wanted obamacare to fail, but I don't think they were expecting it to fail so catastrophically right out of the gate. The problem with installing a Marxist puppet from Chicago is that, unlike soviet Marxists, who were at least intelligent and well-organized, the Chicago-style thugs can't tie their own shoelaces.

It seems clear to me that Obama and his handlers are definitely trying provoke conservatives, but I think it's more likely they want to flood the country with UN troops, and use them to wipe out conservative Americans for good, rather than simply turn this into a makers vs. takers civil war.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:55 | 4133480 LetThemEatRand
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The author makes an excellent point.  A private corporation designed the website.  Designed it to fail.  There is no other logical explanation.  Incompetence doesn't explain this anymore than the Fed is incompetent.  The Fed prints money to line the pockets of their owners, the oligarchs offshore and gut the middle class, and then the debate rages on in MSM whether they are incompetent or have the "wrong" economic theory.  The top .01% are gaining more power and control daily by these "mistakes."

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:07 | 4133534 Buckaroo Banzai
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You clearly have never been involved in software development. Just because a private corporation was involved, doesn't mean that it was magically going to work unless sabotaged.

Software development is HARD WORK, and prone to failure even under the best circumstances. Given that Obama cronies were directly involved, this looks more like sheer incompetence.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:58 | 4133734 Keyser
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The worst bugs in the latest release of a software system will not be discovered until 5 minutes after it has been pushed to production. Regardless of how much it was tested.

Given the budget and timeline for implementing the ACA site, one can only deduce that failure was the objective. It's not freakin' rocket science. I mean, how sophisticated does it have to be to handle 6 users at a time... /jk

 

 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:18 | 4133986 Zero Point
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Yuh, and EBT going down right during a .gov shutdown media blitz was just incompetence too.

Very, very well timed incompetence.

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:30 | 4134016 nc551
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For $630 million my tech company could have built the site and still bought a year supply of food for 500,000 people, and retired rich.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:12 | 4133545 Harbanger
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 "A private corporation designed the website.  Designed it to fail.  There is no other logical explanation."

I have another logical explanation.  The CEO of the Corporation who designed the website, just happens to be Michele Obama's Princeton classmate, who was awarded the no-bid contract.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2477403/Michelle-Os-Princeton-cl...

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:19 | 4133566 LetThemEatRand
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She's a senior Vice President, not CEO (ask Rush to fact check next time).  But either way you're totally missing the point for the reasons explained by the author.

Of course the company chosen was crony.  Only a crony company would deliberately design a failed website.

Halliburton won a shit ton of contracts under Bush/Cheney.  Does that make them incompetent?  

Check out the parent company of CGI Federal (the one who Michelle's friend works for).  Do they look like a shabby outfit to you, or a typical globalist fascist dream.  http://www.cgi.com/en

 

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:22 | 4133599 rubiconsolutions
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"Halliburton won a shit ton of contracts under Bush/Cheney. Does that make them incompetent?" 

Uh, yes - http://www.halliburtonwatch.org/news/contamination.html. Some might even call them criminal.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:34 | 4133633 LetThemEatRand
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Incompetence is not the same thing as not giving a shit.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 15:00 | 4136181 Uncle Remus
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They tend to rhyme however.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:01 | 4133747 Keyser
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Kind of hard NOT to win a no-bid contract. 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 05:26 | 4134370 Urban Redneck
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Just like the Obamcare website was a no-bid contract.

Government bidding processes are corrupt and largely geared towards SHEEPLE/NGO optics the world over.

If I design a program for a government, and I want to be awarded the contract by an open tender process- I WILL get it, and all the holier-than-thou-do-gooders will be sucking my dick in thanks for the open, transparent and impartial award process... and the tender process will actually be open, transparent and impartial.

The joke of an HHS/CMS bidding process (which they then completely ignored or failed to actually implement) was amateur hour Chicago Alderman/Valerie Jarret/$5 Crack-Whore sophistication.

The Halliburton deal was unseemly, but the "no-bid" aspect isn't any a big deal except to RED/BLUE SHYSTERS looking for to score political points with other RETARDS who think that putting it out to bid would have ANY difference (other than allowing Halliburton to bid EVEN MORE...

If Halliburton had won a contract for the Obamacare website, while it would be less than Obama promised the people, and barely within the parameters of the contract between Halliburton and HHS/CMS but it would have been able to successfully process more than 6 application on the first day.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:31 | 4133627 Buckaroo Banzai
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You are making a heroic assumption here. The Obama administration is equal parts venality and incompetence. I think you might be confusing the incompetent part with the venal part.

Remember Valerie Jarretts watchwords: " we reward our friends, and we punish our enemies." It's pretty clear in this case they were rewarding their friends. I don't think they are clever enough to combine the rewarding with the punishing. They tend to prefer outright thuggery when doing the punishing.

But hey-- I suppose you could be right. I just think you might be giving them a little too much credit here.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:35 | 4133639 LetThemEatRand
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Many of Bush's "errors" were also blamed on his "ah shucks" incompetence, too.  Don't be fooled again.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:56 | 4133720 Buckaroo Banzai
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Bush and Obama are very different. Bush looks like a fucking genius compared to Obama.

This is coming from someone who did not like Bush.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:03 | 4133750 LetThemEatRand
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They both look like useful idiots to me.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:04 | 4133759 Keyser
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Odd, because their public personas reflect the exact opposite. GWB was painful to watch when in front of the public, coming off like a complete boob. While Obama comes off very slick and polished, but we know he is nothing but a stuffed shirt. Meh, they are both turds in my book. GWB for being an incompetent puppet to the MIC and Obama for being a lackey to the bankers and insurance companies. 

 

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:39 | 4133875 runningman18
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It's not about the Obama Administration and never has been.  Obama is a middle man for the banking elites just like Bush was.  They are psychotic, and immoral, but certainly not incompetent.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:07 | 4133530 philipat
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I think they want Obamacare to fail because the REAL goal is a single-payer system which would put Government in control of about 65% of GDP. That is slightly more than France.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:34 | 4133634 Buckaroo Banzai
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Harry Reid has said,flat out, that the ultimate goal is single payer. Obama is on the record supporting single payer. There isn't a smokescreen here, it's right out in the open.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:36 | 4133641 LetThemEatRand
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Again, by design.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:57 | 4133725 Buckaroo Banzai
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Go back to my original post. I agree that Obamacare was designed to fail. I just don't think it was supposed to fail this quickly.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:58 | 4133732 LetThemEatRand
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I understand your point, I just disagree with it.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:06 | 4133766 Keyser
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A single payer system would require the destruction of the entire health care insurance industry. Too many people with too much power for this to ever happen.  

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:45 | 4134047 philipat
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There have to be some sacrifices in the road to a new Global world order and socialist utopia. <sarc off> 

If the Health insurance industry gets in the way and has to be eliminated...so be it. Wall Street can deal in (Now entirely unregulated) derivatives and don't need insurance Companies of any type.I would counter that we are dealing with some quite large big picture isses here.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:26 | 4134135 Forty Six and 2
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The ends justify the means.

 

If friendlies have to get taken out along the way, so be it. And by friendlies I mean useful idiots, which come in all forms of..."persons."

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 15:01 | 4136198 Uncle Remus
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Hey, you stick to what you're good at and in the gov't's case, FAIL.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:56 | 4134578 Watauga
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Correct.  And single-payer is SO MUCH MORE than GDP %s and higher rates and higher taxes. . .   IT IS ABOUT TOTAL, ABSOLUTE CONTROL.  Put everyone into the system and the govt has direct control over everything (it already has control over bank accts, pay systems, internet interests, and so forth).  Assume single-payer occurs by 2020.  What privacy is left?  What liberty is left?  Is any private property secure?  Is any individual secure?  This means that, in six years, you will be living in a combination of BRAVE NEW WORLD, 1984, and ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

4 billion rounds of ammunition will not be permitted to waste away in warehouses.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:50 | 4134002 Lordflin
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Obama, Hillary, McCain, all Soros puppets. If you research Soros' methods Barack becomes something of an open book.

Is there a push towards internal strife... I think that is obvious. You have only to consider the attempts over the past couple of years to start racial conflicts... The Trayvon Martin affair was a bizarre charade... And consider the militarization of the amnesty movement.

On the other hand there is the intentional destabilization of the Middle East, with the recent attempt to light a match to Syria... this seems inconsistent with a civil war unless the end game is to leave little left of the West.

This would certainly play to the transfer of wealth (for example, in the form of gold) from West to East.

If something of the sort is in the works than the perpetrators are imbeciles, as the world will not entertain that kind of instability without massive world wide carnage... the sort of thing that would lead to a second dark age.

In any event, this train has left the station regardless of who has/ is doing what to whom.

See you all on the other side... or not...

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:36 | 4133867 Milestones
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B.B. Your are joking right? U.N. troops from where and you expect these megre if any troops that show up they would "wipe out the coservatives for good." Yes, by all means, seld some troops from Paris to take a hunters blind in the mountains of Colorado or wyoming. Ruts of ruck.

Trust me, these "paper soldiers" are in your imagination. China, with all it's power and population would only risk an invasion as a last resort.

Milestones

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:05 | 4134093 Overfed
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Indeed. UN "peacekeepers" couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper sack.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 06:53 | 4134319 Ghordius
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Buckaroo's "they want to flood the country with UN troops" is silly propaganda from strange websites, yes. yet your comment is silly, too. UN peacekeepers are not deployed to fight. that's not their task

just think for a moment: when do "UN troops" get deployed? after a broad international agreement. and it's usually troops from third, non involved nations, under the command of their own officers, and usually they have just the mandate of watching a new border

I repeat: you see UN troops deployed only after a war. in the context of this discussion, after a civil war, by agreement of nearly all parties of said civil war, in the context of a ceasefire or a new peace

in a way, in an hypothetical dystopian future entailing a new US civil war, this would mean that one new side did win enough to be recognized internationally. and this side would therefore welcome UN troops. they would be the very sign that they were recognized, that they would have won concessions or enough new peace to warrant the deployment of UN troops to watch over a new setup

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:29 | 4135043 Nick Jihad
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It should be noted that Soviet marxists were indeed "intelligent and well-organized", but these qualities often mean that folly is carried far further that it could have been else. The Soviets are a good example.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:33 | 4133435 A Lunatic
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Does a Bernanke shit on the economy...........??

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:36 | 4133441 1835jackson
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Civil War? Ha! Dancing with the stars is on tv! Maybe after winter when the tv menu is not as appealing.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:41 | 4133880 runningman18
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Or maybe when a dollar collapse takes away their TV and their SNAP cards, as the article points out...

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:39 | 4133445 Ignatius
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"Obama and his ilk have been caught red-handed in numerous conspiracies, including Fast and Furious, which shipped American arms through the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives into the hands of Mexican drug cartels."

Destabilization of Mexico (weapons, drugs, etc.) has been U.S. policy for 100 years. 

Obummer's administration got caught is all ("I'm shocked.  Shocked, I tell you, to find gun running going on in here.").

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:50 | 4133481 Buckaroo Banzai
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Wrong. There is good circumstantial evidence that Fast And Furious had nothing to do with Mexico, and everything to do with undermining the Second Amendment.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:52 | 4133486 LetThemEatRand
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Again, by design.  

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:37 | 4133644 Buckaroo Banzai
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Well, it was designed to subvert the second amendment. I would strongly disagree that it was designed to be discovered. Fast and Furious came to light only because of some serious detective work by two bloggers. They have been fighting its exposure every step of the way. Even now, 99.9% of Americans think fast and furious is only a movie starring Vin Diesel.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:40 | 4133661 Ignatius
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I'm not arguing that they're not trying to undermine the 2nd, they are, like the whole Bill of Rights.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:17 | 4133800 Keyser
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As long as the MSM leads low-information voters around by the nose, the US is doomed. If brains were dynamite, the average Amerikan would not be able to blow their nose. 

 

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:20 | 4133821 Ignatius
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Funny.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:12 | 4134108 Radical Marijuana
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Yeah, that tickled my macabre sense of humour too!

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:37 | 4133645 Ignatius
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Douglas Valentine has done the primary research and first hand interviews:  http://www.douglasvalentine.com/

This interview is solid gold: http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/08/09/de-manufacturing-consent-with...

(May only get the 'preview' interview if not a member of BFP)

Here's his review of Scahill's Dirty Warshttp://www.corbettreport.com/interview-681-douglas-valentine-on-scahills...

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:21 | 4133824 bigrooster
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Lot's a shill douche bags on tonight eh hombre?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:38 | 4133448 BandGap
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More like uncivil. The only way I go to war is if my family is threatened.

So fuck off.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:38 | 4133449 stant
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yehaw jihad 2 wont be like the last one

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:39 | 4133451 Bosch
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Let's hope?  

Seriously, we have nothing in common at this point and shouldn't be under the same system of government.  

 

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:46 | 4133468 LetThemEatRand
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Divide has worked.  Conquer is next.

Many people don't think the militarized police will fire on their own citizens.  They will, because they see various groups of us as the enemy. As you do.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:02 | 4133511 Buckaroo Banzai
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You don't understand how Marxists work.

You see, Marxists divide the world ino four groups: "Us", which is the party elite and the police thugs that work for them; "Them", which are non-Marxists (Christians, free-marketers, social conservatives, etc); the proletariat, who are the unpoliticized masses, aka sheeple; and the "useful idiots" who are the "true believers" and idealists.

This isn't "divide and conquer" because they don't have to do any real dividing. The strategy is simply (a) Marshall your thugs and Useful Idiots, (b) attack "Them", and (c) kill off the Useful Idiots after you consolidate power.

Notice how the sheeple are deliberately kept out of the equation. They are neither part of the problem, nor part of the solution; the idea is that they must remain part of the landscape during the entire process.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:07 | 4133527 LetThemEatRand
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Fascism is the correct answer.  They share some of the Marxist techniques and ideologies, but they are different animals.  This is simplistic (including that fascists are globalists), but this is a good start:  http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?205216-Fascism-vs-Marxism-(a-side-by-side-comparison)

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:13 | 4133558 Buckaroo Banzai
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Fascism is National Socialism.

Communism is International Socialism.

As virtually all US corporations have transitioned from being national corporations to international corporations over the last 20 years, we have been put on the path to Communism.

Obama was installed to finalize the transition of the US from fascism to communism.

Go back and look at that link you referenced. It supports my case 100%.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:24 | 4133606 LetThemEatRand
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So you're saying that Goldman, JP Morgan, Koch Industries, and the dozens of other multi-national corporations that control our government want to do away with private property?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:29 | 4133623 Seer
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Thou shalt not speak evil of "private" entities.  Only "public" ones cause the devil to come out in humans! (Blankfein is upstanding, as he, being in "private" business, "does God's work")

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:34 | 4135070 Nick Jihad
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Goldman Sachs gets its power from the Fed, which in turn is empowered by the FedGov. GS would be no threat to anyone, without fiat money.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:41 | 4133663 Buckaroo Banzai
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Of course. Think it through.

You don't have to own property, just control it. The communist party elite in the Soviet Union was fabulously wealthy-- despite the fact that they "owned" nothing.

There is a reason whyl the major Wall Street banks funded the 1917 revolution. The banks were the first great international corporations. That's why they have been carrying the flag for communism for a hundred years now.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:43 | 4133671 Buckaroo Banzai
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Oh by the way. You have automatically disqualified all of your arguments by uttering the "KOCH" word.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:54 | 4133695 LetThemEatRand
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Why?  The Koch brothers fund most of the groups that support the state you detest.  They think Ron Paul is the devil ( http://www.nextnewdeal.net/rortybomb/monetary-policy-hearing-today-ron-paul-versus-kochtopus) , though they think his son is okay.  They are two of the top wealthiest Americans.   Who listens to too much Rush?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:46 | 4133681 LetThemEatRand
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No, you think it through.  Why would the largest owners of private property want to change the fundamental system of private ownership?  Socialism and communism involve party thugs who rule by force who "own" nothing.  Fascism involves thugs who own everything.  

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:02 | 4133744 Harbanger
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"Socialism and communism involve party thugs who rule by force who "own" nothing. "

That's the scatoma, they "own" nothing.  Where no-one owns anything, those who rule own everything.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:05 | 4133761 LetThemEatRand
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Okay, explain again why the people who already own everything would want to own nothing and change the paradigm that is working brilliantly for them.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:17 | 4133801 Buckaroo Banzai
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Because they KNOW they got everything dishonestly, and they live in terror of being exposed for the unproductive, cowardly leeches that they are. They are nihilists who are empty inside. They have faith in nothing. They are Godless. Because they hate themselves, they hate and fear their fellow man. They know that as long as competition exists, as long as free markets exist, they run the risk of being exposed and losing everything they stole.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:24 | 4133828 LetThemEatRand
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So like fascists, then?  Unlike communists, fascists use religion to divide the people.  They speak of the free market while they destroy it.  They teach that private ownership is the key to success.  They teach that we all can be wealthy if we just work hard like them and get productive enough.  People buy into it and support them and worship authors of books who exalt them.  Sound familiar?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:25 | 4133842 Buckaroo Banzai
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NO. LIKE SOCIALISTS.

You do understand that fascism is just a type of socialism, right?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:27 | 4133849 Buckaroo Banzai
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You do realize that you just described modern Chinese Communism, right?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:22 | 4133829 Harbanger
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Why would anyone have to own "nothing"?  To change what paradigm. Private property?  Brilliant, comrade.  It's the bloated gov that's stealing your $ by printing to meet it's ever growing expenses.  They need the Fed $.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:24 | 4133840 LetThemEatRand
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So another non-answer answer from my friend the self upper.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:30 | 4133857 bunzbunzbunz
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Self-downers are more better.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:04 | 4133754 Buckaroo Banzai
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You aren't getting it. Under communism, the party elite OWNS everything.

The goal is to eliminate the free market. Think about it: in a free market, the bankers might own everything, but it isn't clear that they will be able to KEEP everything. Because the free market involves risk, and competition, and change.

The goal is to ELIMINATE risk and competition. If that means they have to pretend that private property doesn't exist, that's ok, because they will CONTROL everything, and USE IT as they see fit, without any risk of losing it in a free market.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:10 | 4133777 LetThemEatRand
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Why is this so hard to understand?  They already own everything.  Yes, the want to eliminate the free market because they don't want competition.  It's called fascism.  Communism failed in the Soviet Union and it is now being replaced by fascism.  

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:23 | 4133830 Buckaroo Banzai
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Fascism is NATIONAL SOCIALISM. It only works when you can INVADE OTHER COUNTRIES. The world is too small now. George W. Bush represented the last gasp of fascism. He proved it could no longer work; the world is too small now.

The only type of socialism that can work now is INTERNATIONAL socialism. Why on earth do you think the EU was formed? The Europeans, being 50 years ahead of us in socialism, figured out 30 years ago that INTERNATIONAL socialism was the only path forward for socialism.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:26 | 4133846 LetThemEatRand
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You do realize that a tenet of socialism is ownership of the means of production by the people via government, not private corporations, right?  

Fuck it, carry on without me.  You're an ideologue and there's no convincing you.  

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:33 | 4133864 bunzbunzbunz
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Could I convince you via argument (esp. on the internet) that your religion or lack-there-of is incorrect?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:38 | 4133873 Buckaroo Banzai
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Finally, we have gotten to the root of your confusion.

Socialism is about the CONTROL of the means of production by the State. NOT necessarily "ownership".

Under International Socialism, all property is effectively owned AND controlled by the State.

Under National Socialism, all property is effectively controlled by the state, via their corporate partners. The corporations may nominally own the property, but they do what they are told.

Do you see how, as the corporations have now slipped outside of national control over the last 50 years, that National Socialism is no longer practical? Socialists have NO RECOURSE but to transition to the model of International Socialism.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:31 | 4134019 TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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Yes, in other words the government owns the means of production. They just say "the people" own it, but then they go to say that they represent the people.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 01:07 | 4134099 IndyPat
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Agenda 21 should tell you everything you need to know, brother

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:26 | 4133608 Seer
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"Obama was installed to finalize the transition of the US from fascism to communism."

You're a funny guy.  Funny in your movie too, though in that movie you weren't the up-tight guy that you portray here.

If I had a dime for every fucking time I heard the "final transition phase" shit...  Get a fucking clue.  It will change and change again, and it will ALWAYS be done because POWER MUST shift in order that people don't get too comfortable.  And the other REALITY is that we're rapidly swamping the planet, it could ONLY ever end up in being a system of MORE control.

The problem that people like you don't see is that you'll create a word that in itself will be a trigger that TPTB use to have your own skull crushed.  I see it plenty, people that can barely talk coherently start frothing when you say the word "socialist," never mind whether it's applicable or not- all you'll have to do is point and shout "socialist" at someone you don't like and the dogs unleash themselves: heck, I get my dog to take out after shit by hollering "let's go!," which could almost be substituted with "bonzai!"

But, if you like painting sickles on your pinatas before bashing them then whack away...

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:45 | 4133678 Buckaroo Banzai
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That was a bunch of gibberish.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:15 | 4133794 bunzbunzbunz
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Happy face. I can only hope that you don't attempt to define TPTB as a static group. A system full of random events and inputs from small actors does not need a controller to form patterns. TPTB can simply be the patterns we see as suspicious forming and disolving over time. Picking a bad guy (or group or side or financial system) is as pointless as creating a statistical model of past lottery numbers.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:40 | 4135089 Nick Jihad
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Progressives may refuse to accept the label "socialist", just as they now try to lose the "liberal" tag. But I am convinced that socialists are born, not made - they do what they do by instinct.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:06 | 4133532 Cloud9.5
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Late in the evening after several glasses of wine it is easy to pontificate on the prospects of civil war. It must be remembered that it was thought that all the blood that would be shed in the last civil war could be wiped up with a handkerchief. Both sides thought it would be resolved in one battle.  Miscalculation in our species is a common frailty.

 

In the event of a systemic collapse, the pent up rage in this country over perceived injustices will light up the night sky.   Anybody who thinks they can channel this chaos or control it is out of their freaking mind.

 

The left needs to back up and consider the consequences of pouring gasoline on this fire.  The real dichotomy existent in this society is between urban and rural.  Fifty great metropolitan centers spread across this country forget one important fact.  It is the red counties that feed the blue cities.  Make war against the conservatives in the red counties and the blue cities starve.

 

 

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:38 | 4133655 Seer
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You were doing fine until you fell into the trap...

California, last I checked, was deemed a "blue state."

From http://econpost.com/industry/agriculture-sector-top-10-states-gdp

Agriculture sector top 10 states by GDP

Leading the list is California's economy. California contributed $27.3 billion worth of agriculture output in 2008. This was 17.3% of the agriculture output of the United States.

 

Just defending logic and facts (that's the only place where there's an even playing field).  Being a Food, Shelter and Water kind of guy I tend to appreciate that California exists, quirks and all: though, as with all growth-based entities, it will hit the wall; it's real estate that I wouldn't sell (again, based on Ag output).  Not that it matters, but my State is one of the top listed there, and it ain't no "Red" state: just stating the facts- I'm in a rural area which is less "red," but I don't really care so long as I am able to do what I think I need to do (and if it's important enough to me then I just look elsewhere- time is short, there's too many windmills to run around poking at).

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:48 | 4133685 Cloud9.5
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Look at how the counties voted as opposed to the fact that the blue metropolitan areas carried the state.  I know a lot of pigs and they are blue, but the pig farmers I know are red.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:49 | 4133691 Buckaroo Banzai
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You're a fucking idiot. California is a blue state because of the Gay Area and LA. The rest of the state is pretty conservative. They are just overwhelmed by the Hollywood liberals, silicon valley douchebags, and illegal aliens in the big cities. Oh, and the fags, too.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:18 | 4133807 bunzbunzbunz
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Damn, you sound educated.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:48 | 4135123 Nick Jihad
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Overwhelmingly, Californians of Hispanic descent make it a blue state. Their political traditions are no different that you find in latin america generally - basically, pre-Enlightenment.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 14:24 | 4135952 Black Warrior W...
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California is much more bifurcated than you may think. The Central Valley (CV) of California, where the vast majority of California agriculture resides, is as red as the reddest states in the Union. When you compare the ag-rich CV to the densely populated coastal CA cities (at least politically), it's like comparing Texas to New York State.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:16 | 4133797 DanDaley
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The left needs to back up and consider the consequences of pouring gasoline on this fire.


The left is not going to back up and reconsider anything...they don't operate that way.  Remember that V.I.Lenin (long before Rahm Emanuel) said that when things are bad, that's good. These people want chaos, they pray for it.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:23 | 4134507 Cloud9.5
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This is not Russia.  We don’t have a tradition of monarchs.  In the rural counties we still teach the Bill of Rights and the Fellowship of Christian Athletes still meet before games. Rural America is not going to line up to report to the closest FEMA camp. The Cloward Piven wet dream may not work out as planned. Topple one key element of this highly interdependent system and the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.   Recalcitrant farmers and denizens of small towns are going to be a minor concern if major swaths of the grid go down.  

 

As graphically demonstrated in Louisiana, the FSA can wipe out Wal-Mart in a couple of hours. The posh suburbs of the District of Columbia are surrounded by the FSA.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:42 | 4133887 NeedtoSecede
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I just spent a few days in rural Iowa and I can tell you that is one tight community.  They are perfectly capable of taking care of themselves (they even have their own movie theater that is run on all volunteer efforts, community fundraisers, and donated popcorn) and could survive just fine in a SHTF scenario.  They all know how to grow/raise food, harvest/butcher food, they build their own houses, they build their own barns, and most of the strong in the community have zero debt and zero trust in the banksters.  As cloud 9.5 says above, there is a BIG difference (an immeasurable gulf really) between these gentleman farmers and the urban FSA and igadget crowd from the suburbs.

And before you hit me with the smear that "All farmers take from .gov", I would say these small family farmers do get some money, but not the big bucks that BIG AG skims from us.  Take away .gov and these folks will be fine.

Not saying all is just swell in rural America (lots of problems there too), but when it comes to weathering tough times and sticking together with your friends and family I will put my money on the simple rural folk of flyover country.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:10 | 4133970 el Gallinazo
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How about corporate farms, ADM, Cargill?  Are they run by Constitutionalists.  TPTB will want the cities to starve when the time is right.  They are looking for a 90% population reduction of us useless eaters.  Cities are easy.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 05:49 | 4134385 Urban Redneck
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Rand,
You're right for the WRONG reasons, just as Brandon Smith is an IDIOT, or is just playing on the internet.

A Civil War in US would be even less of a conflict "among Americans" than the current Civil War is Syria is a conflict "among Syrians"

The US government is simultaneously the Labyrinth and the Beast. These war games are only part of the larger strategic debate (and DHS are the new kids looking at their own little silo and in the process they are helping enemies both foreign and domestic, whereas DoD and CIA have more complex perspectives and concerns which are not being reported on).

Divide and Conquer
Politics makes Strange Bedfellows

Now apply at both the domestic and international levels...

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:05 | 4133452 notquantumdum
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In addition to any such possible [if not yet confirmed] efforts to force a confrontation between the different sides, I believe a portion of the whole left-right liberal-conservative debate is due merely to most people either having a dominant left or right brain hemisphere.  Most people do have a dominant half of their brain.  [Or, so I have read.]

http://psychology.about.com/od/cognitivepsychology/a/left-brain-right-br...

Am I wrong?

[Some people seem to be better at empathy and others seem to be better at putting together long chains of logical connections, or no?  They are both very valuable skills, but very different ones.]

Can you guess which side is which?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:24 | 4133832 DanDaley
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It probably has more to do with estrogen or testosterone dominance. With the extreme proliferation of xeno-estrogens in damn dear everything you eat or touch now days, is it any wonder that so many girls reach puberty and have enormous boobs at at 13 or 14?  Estrogen-dominant people are the empaths you are talking about...able to think like a man (who are testosterone dominant, generally), but without the accountability or logic.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:43 | 4133456 nah
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Tecumseh Sherman cant save you bitchez!

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:43 | 4133461 bugs_
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this the cold civil war

the warriors of the cold civil war

don't vote anymore
don't watch tv anymore
don't buy houses anymore
don't buy new cars anymore
don't take a career seriously anymore
don't advise the young to go to college anymore
don't worry about compliance anymore
don't worry about healthcare anymore
don't belong to a political party anymore
don't care what the president says anymore
don't care what the congress says anymore
don't care what the supreme court says anymore

etc you get the idea - but you probably don't care

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:59 | 4133505 Cdad
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Ya got me with that list.  However...I do care about my sons' future.  I care very much about that...and things being what they are...this is a deep source of anger in me.  

And I have a very good idea that, right or left political leanings aside...there are millions of me out there.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:09 | 4133541 bunzbunzbunz
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But you likely don't know what is best for your son's future. You don't have the hindsight yet. So are you anrgy at things future generations may come to appreciate? Were your great grandparents angry about things that we now appreciate?

I think it seems that in the future things that the millions of us think are wrong now will be 'proven' right and wrong depending on future psychology, education, and environment. Morals and beliefs, as they should, change over time (it is arguable that there is one true set of morals that human civilization has yet to identify).

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:41 | 4133883 bunzbunzbunz
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4 downvotes, no reply! Unarguable, yet offensive point?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:32 | 4134022 Apply Force
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No downvote from me, but you failed to mention energy.  Currency is make-believe; energy is reality. 

You mention many things that will matter very little as the weakest links begin to break, and many are angry that energy has been so very mis-spent, for so long, for so many, that ours may suffer needlessly in the future for the mandated errors of yesterday and today.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:26 | 4133805 European American
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Then if you truly care about your sons future, you must be "Homeschooling" him. Introduce him to "Guns 101" tomorrow in class.

 

Armed Citizens and a Fascist Police State can not coexist.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:10 | 4133544 29.5 hours
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Interesting list. All my hippy buddies from the 1970s used to say almost exactly the same thing.

Excuse me, I have to check a history book to find out if all that "dropping out" did any good...

 

 

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:17 | 4133788 JohnnyBriefcase
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Your "hippie buddies from the 1970's" just said that shit to be down with the scene and score some drugs and hotties. They didn't stick to the plan. They sold out as soon as they realized you can't survive without some means of financial support. They ran up their credit on material possesions and mortgages until we arrived at where we are today.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:45 | 4133464 Goldilocks
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“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.” 

- Cicero

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:45 | 4133466 LetThemEatRand
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Man, truth hurts as evidenced by some of the posts already on this article.  Of course this is by design.    Anyone who doesn't see it is ideologically blind.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:47 | 4133472 BandGap
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Your truth. I'm playing a different hand. Consider me Switzerland.

 For now.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:49 | 4133474 LetThemEatRand
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So you're going to hide Nazi gold and oligarch riches?  You should be so lucky as to be asked.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:49 | 4133475 TulsaTime
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bullshit

A civil war in america, if it comes, will pit a religous movement against a secular one.  A conservative that believes in the Constitution would, or should, support the secular side, yet most folks that identify as conservative already are calling for a state religion.  That is not a constitutional conservative, but a member of the Tea Party.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 21:59 | 4133506 bunzbunzbunz
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That's stupid. Religion has never caused war before.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:57 | 4133727 akak
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What the fuck, are you on some kind of asswipean crusade?

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:22 | 4133826 bunzbunzbunz
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Crusade? Never heard of the word. I shall commence wikipediaing!!! Oh lord. It appears I was wrong.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 00:44 | 4134054 joego1
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Americans are so fragmented a "civil war" would amount to an extended looting campain followed by extended stays in fema camps.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 05:56 | 4134386 Urban Redneck
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A civil war would amount the immediate death of USD hegemony and the loss of US MIC assets overseas.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:00 | 4133510 nmewn
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Check your premises...freedom of religion does not imply freedom FROM religion. So you're offended when someone offers a prayer before a football game?

Don't bow your head...but be respectful.

I don't recite the pledge of allegiance but I stand without crossing my heart out of respect for others.

Deal with it.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:17 | 4133578 Buckaroo Banzai
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Bingo. The Supreme Court has established Atheism as the Official State Religion of the USA. This has happened over the last 40 years.

Atheism is also the official state religion of all Communist states.

NOT A COINCIDENCE.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 05:05 | 4134358 Incubus
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Jesus christ, I'd kill myself if you were my parent.

 

Have you considered acknowledging that you need meds/counseling?

 

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 22:25 | 4133607 bunzbunzbunz
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Everything you said is correct. Respect is a very important part of a decent society. I hope you would also show and expect others to show respect if Muslims were to turn towards the Ka'ba and pray at a football game. I also hope you show and expect others to show respect for those who practice Wicca.

I would like to add that the freedom of religion DOES imply that the government has no place dictating or giving bias to any one religion or sect of religion. It implies that the government may not establish an atmosphere that makes one religion more acceptable than another.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:41 | 4133882 nmewn
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Certainly.

The government should not establish an atmosphere of acceptability. We are not a theocracy. Wiccans and Muslims should be more than welcome to give the invocation of their choosing and they have.

But...seeing as how this is NOT a theocracy, they shouldn't go whining to government when people reject it, to make it one either.

Thu, 11/07/2013 - 23:46 | 4133902 bunzbunzbunz
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I'm not sure what you are saying. What is it that 'they' should not whine about?

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