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Obamacare's Biggest Failure So Far: Just 18% Of Uninsured Have Expressed An Interest In Enrolling

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When one steps back from all the frustration, all the confusion,  all the failures both in the rollout and the mass behavioral experimentation, and the fact that the math just doesn't work, the primary stated purpose behind Obamacare was simple: to provide uniform, affordable (the A in ACA) healthcare for all Americans. But especially to those who are currently uninsured. At least such was the utopian, egalitarian vision behind its conception. Which is also why, stripping away the political posturing, the html coding errors, the funding issues, the biggest failing of Obamacare would be if it opened, and none of America's uninsured came. Sadly, this last nail in Obamacare's coffin, has just been confirmed with a just released Gallup poll which found that a tiny 18% of uninsured Americans - the primary target population for the exchanges - have so far attempted to even visit an exchange website.

Additionally, Gallup previously found that less than half of uninsured Americans (44%) who plan to get insurance say they will do so through an exchange, and about one in four say they are more likely to pay a fine instead of getting insurance. "These findings help explain the low percentage of the uninsured who have attempted to access the exchange websites."

Actually, Gallup's last sentence is not factually correct: a satisfactory number Americans have visited the exchange websites, whether due to morbid curiosity or for another reason. It is how few of them have gone through the hassle of signing up (such as just one person in the case of North Carolina) that is the most disturbing, and puts the outright failure of Obamacare's primary goal in question.

Gallup adds:

Still, the fact that less than a quarter of uninsured Americans who say they plan to get insurance through an exchange have visited one so far suggests that other factors are at work. It may be that many uninsured Americans are waiting to try out the health exchange websites until their highly publicized problems are fixed, or they may simply be putting off decisions about getting insurance until later.

Elsewhere, CBS reports that while the survey doesn't say why uninsured Americans aren't visiting the marketplaces, the ongoing technical problems on HealthCare.gov and some state-based sites have likely been a factor. The Obama administration has said that HealthCare.gov should be running smoothly for the "vast majority" of Americans by the end of November. It won't be. And even when fixed it is unlikely that ultimately enrollment numbers, especially among young people, will surge to the threshold level that would be considered sustainable for this ponzi scheme to survive.

Once the site is fixed, the administration is planning a more aggressive media campaign to encourage more people to sign up for plans on the marketplaces. Administration officials also say they expect many people to put off enrollment until the last minute.

The administration has yet to release figures on just how many people have enrolled in insurance on the new marketplaces so far. However, the incremental reports that have been released so far aren't encouraging. Sens. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, on Friday released enrollment data from the four insurance companies in the Washington, D.C. marketplace showing that just five people in the District have enrolled so far.

 

"With numbers like these, it's no wonder the Obama Administration hasn't wanted to release how many people have signed up for ObamaCare," Hatch said in a statement. "Whether it's significant problems with the website, people being forced off the coverage they had or skyrocketing costs, these numbers are even more proof of what a disaster ObamaCare is and why it should be delayed."

 

The senators said the new mandate requiring people to obtain insurance starting in 2014 should be delayed as Obamacare problems are addressed. At least one Democrat agrees -- Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., on Thursday joined Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., to introduce a bill that would delay the mandate until 2015.

 

The administration has said that people have plenty of time -- another five months -- to sign up. However, the administration is working with state insurance commissioners, CBS News chief White House correspondent Major Garrett reports, to try to help at least some people who have been dropped from insurance plans that don't meet new Obamacare coverage standards. The administration is attempting to tweak regulations, Garrett reports, to help people who were dropped from their plans but now only qualify for plans they can't afford.

 

At an event in Atlanta Friday, Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius reportedly said on the issue, "We're looking at a number of options where there may be an opportunity for that number of people to look at plans that they have right now. But there isn't any specific proposal at the table immediately."

A fully functional rollout of healthcare.gov by the November 30 deadline will not happen, that much is clear. But what is most ironic about the whole situation is that it was the delay of Obamacare that was the primary impetus behind the Tea Party's shutdown of the government. Paradoxically, if Obama had yielded or even negotiated, the ongoing rollout debacle would not exist, as much more time would have been implemented to fix all the glitches, while letting the conservatives foot the blame. Instead, with every passing day that Obamacare is nothing but a (not so fat) pipe dream, the president's rating keeps dropping.

But worse than Obama's approval (and disapproval) rating, will be what will happen if, in the 11th hour as usual, all of the young, uninsured potential Obamacare users simply do not show up.

That would indeed be the ultimate fiasco from which no matter how many sophomorically-written, teleprompted daily speeches of lilting grandure Obama gives, there would simply be no walking away from.

 

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Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:25 | 4137274 LetThemEatRand
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I beg to differ.  The biggest failure so far is expansion of NSA, followed by indiscriminate droning, expansion of DHS, the police state, the debt ceiling raising, continuation of the war on Eurasia, etc.  Obamacare is a dismal failure but it pales.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:27 | 4137280 knukles
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You forgot the Federal Reserve, printer of faux money extraordinaire, funder of all things unfundable, maker of all bubbles, enabler of all evil.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:30 | 4137291 johnQpublic
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we are going to bring affordable healthcare to millions of people who never had or wanted healthcare before

yes we can

yes we can

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:31 | 4137295 Richard Chesler
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about one in four say they are more likely to pay a fine instead of getting insurance.

so, 25% have any common sense. Got it.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:43 | 4137331 goldenbuddha454
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That 1 in 4 person is the college student who, at POTUS' recommendation, went to college, graduated and then had to sit in the unemployment line because there were no shovel-ready jobs and no hope and the change was for the worse!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:48 | 4137345 Xibalba
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So, only those in the workforce want to sign up then?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:32 | 4137448 macholatte
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I beg to differ.  The biggest failure so far is expansion of NSA, followed by indiscriminate droning, expansion of DHS, the police state, the debt ceiling raising, continuation of the war on Eurasia, etc.  Obamacare is a dismal failure but it pales.

 

I beg to differ.... the list you recite are extreme successes of the totalitarian/police/fascist state. You're looking through the wrong pair of glasses.

Obamacare is a failure. The website mess is shining light onto the scam and the sheeple are awakening. The media, probably not.

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:49 | 4137478 LetThemEatRand
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The epic Obamacare failure as manifested by the website failure itself is by design as explained by an author here a day or two ago.  The rest of it is under the radar of most of the Red Team and will be continued by the next regime who will be voted in in part due to the Obamacare failure.   

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:58 | 4137500 g'kar
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Don't underestimate the power of the FSA grasshopper, which is why the blue team created more of them.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 22:11 | 4137542 LetThemEatRand
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I don't underestimate it at all.  And don't mistake my point about the Red Team as an indication that the Blue Team is any better.  They work for the same owners.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 22:19 | 4137561 g'kar
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Absolutely

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 04:02 | 4137992 James-Morrison
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While all of this is true, the reason these symptoms don't jell with the people is because they don't hit us where it counts.

Obamacare does the following:
1. Smacks us in our wallets
2. Exposes America's kleptocracy
3. Removes all doubt about the corrupt "two-headed" political system.

Will the Citizens/Sheeple respond?

Stay tuned until 2014, 2015 when everyone(individuals and businesses) are exposed to this heinous law?

"if you like your insurance, you can keep it".

Are we really that dumb?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 22:19 | 4137563 g'kar
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......DP

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 22:27 | 4137584 nmewn
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Why is it that the "Red Team" opposed this...in your opinion?

I'll tell you my TP opposition...its fundamentally unfair to craft a law, which forces someone to buy anything, from anyone, when they don't want it or need it.

The "Blue Team" thinks the exact opposite for some reason.

They're going to shit their fucking pants when (after becoming dictator) I force them to buy 32oz Big Gulps & AR15's.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 22:46 | 4137611 LetThemEatRand
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The Red Team thinks the health care system isn't broken until they get in it (unless they are extremely wealthy in which case it's great).  And they have Fox and Rush to remind them daily that Obamacare is "socialist" (it is fascist, not socialist).  Obamacare was sold to the Blue Team as a solution (those w/o insurance already know the system is broken), and the Blue Team is too idiotic to know that the solution was written by the insurance companies that broke the system.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 22:54 | 4137634 nmewn
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I'm not wealthy, by any stretch. I went through "the system"...twice, it didn't seem broke to me.

I will agree the Blue Team is idiotic and the system they're trying to graft onto it now is fascist.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 22:58 | 4137639 LetThemEatRand
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Did you have cancer or some other disease that required major care?  Up until a couple of years ago, there was a one million dollar cap on many policies.  People with seemingly good insurance went broke treating major disease.  A stay in the hospital for a few weeks plus care would eat up the entire policy, which is absurd.   I'm curious -- when you say you were in the system, what for?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:10 | 4137667 nmewn
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One was rather personal but a common malady, the other was L1-L2.

I've got a sister-in-law that went through chemo (bone) she didn't go broke and neither did the insurance company or the company she works for.

My L1-L2 was the result of a lifetime of work and an accident...but it was a really cool accident ;-)

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:19 | 4137675 LetThemEatRand
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Was your lumbar spine accident work related and did you collect workers' comp (a socialist evil)?

If your sister didn't break the million dollar limit, she's okay now because those limits no longer apply.  Otherwise, she would have used up a lot of her allotment.   One of the true evils of health insurance until a couple of years ago was that if you were young and had something like cancer, you would burn through most of your limits early in life and then be fucked later.  Not a problem now.

Are you suggesting that because of your personal experience, that everyone else who blew the million dollar cap is a taker and that the system is not broken because it worked for you? 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:36 | 4137726 nmewn
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"Was your lumbar spine accident work related and did you collect workers' comp (a socialist evil)?"

It was just as I said. A lifetime of work (and time/age) and me never slowing down resulted in...me having to have it fixed. Socialism does not come into play or workers comp. Insurance is not socialism and I've never collected a dime (or filed) for workers comp in my life, file it away for your future reference.

My sister-in-laws cancer was over a "couple years ago". But thanks for asking how she is now, anyways.

"Are you suggesting that because of your personal experience, that everyone else who blew the million dollar cap is a taker?"

No, I'm suggesting that you're veering wildly off topic (as usual) to get away from answering why someone should be forced...by law...to buy something they don't want or need. Both my sister-in-law and myself voluntarily bought policies that we wanted or felt we needed at the time.

.gov had nothing to do with it nor should it.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:51 | 4137735 LetThemEatRand
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If your sister (in law) had blown the million dollar cap and been left penniless, how would you feel?  Or doesn't that matter to you because it didn't affect you personally?  And are you glad to know that your sister (in law) no longer needs to worry about a relapse eating up her savings?  

I'm not wildly off topic.  You are suggesting that the health insurance system was not broken because it worked for you.  You are angry at Obamacare for the wrong reasons, in my view.  The wrong reasons being that you were not personally affected by the severe limitations of the prior system.   Answer my questions above, honestly.  And also answer my question in the earlier post -- do you consider the people who blew the limit when it applied takers?  And what if your sister (in law) had not recovered as quickly as she did?  Would that affect your view of the prior system or does it not matter because things worked out by chance?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:58 | 4137769 nmewn
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lol...my sister-in-law is a helluva lot smarter than you, so I don't worry about her (like your faux concern for her or me) and in any event, she would not have been left destitute...don't think I don't know what you're trying to do.

The family unit is social, government is not and will never be, by its very nature. It relies on force and coercion, the family does not.

I oppose ObamaCare for the reasons I have already stated, which is a universe of honesty and compassion apart from where you are.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:59 | 4137778 LetThemEatRand
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So you won't answer my questions other than to say that your sister (in law) would be fine because she and/or other immediate family have lots of money even if her insurance limits had been exceeded.  That says it all to me, newman.  Glad it worked for you and glad to see you admit that your view of the world is newman-centric and that your answer to everyone is "have lots of money and it will be okay."  That's an honest answer and at least we can have an honest debate with that said.  If I'm getting it wrong, simply answer my questions above.

Edit:  crickets, 60 minutes in.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 08:49 | 4138141 nmewn
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The Grand Socialist Inquisitor starts off with a "simple question out of curiosity"...then poses ten more questions (I did however, lose track of your false accusations, slander, hypotheticals & innuendo)...and then complain when I retire for the evening...lol...excellent.

This is rather like trying to sign up for ObamaCare isn't it?

The truth is, my sister-in-law didn't blow through her caps because of the doctors professionalism, the effectivesness of the treatment, some Divine intervention, her general attitude about it and the family support towards fighting it with her. 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:06 | 4137788 Jerome Lester H...
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How would you feel? Feelings have nothing to do with any of this. I will tell you what I think...if you are worried about not having enough insurance to cover any and all possible maladies that may befall you it is your responsibility to address that worry. You are spending money on internet access that could go towards paying for better insurance, you also paid or are paying for a computer or some other device to post here. You have a problem prioritizing your finances. What else are you foolishly spending on? If you are worried about the amount of insurance you can afford then it is up to you to adjust your budget to put aside more money for that which you think is necessary by cutting spending elsewhere, earning more or both. Personal anecdotes aside it is up to you provide for yourself. You have no legal or moral claim to the fruits of other's labor to cover your wants, needs, desires or fears.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:39 | 4137793 LetThemEatRand
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I've had great insurance for the last 20+ years, never had to use it, and have no worries for myself or my family.  Funny how that didn't occur to you.  Unlike you, I see beyond myself.  And like most of your ilk, I'll bet you are living off of someone and merely repeating what you were programmed to say by the person (parent?) whose money you are spending.  Tell me I'm wrong.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:45 | 4137851 MontgomeryScott
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I'll tell you right now that you're wrong.

You stupid person! You have paid in to a ponzi voluntarily for the past 20 years and state that 'I never had to use it'.

You actually LISTENED to the soft-porn leg-breakers that TOLD you that you HAD to 'BUY' insurance, because, well, something MIGHT happen to you!

The GUIDOS who TOLD you this bullshit went on to lobby CONgress to 'soften' the rules, and proceeded to blow up the economy of the ENTIRE MOTHERFUCKING WORLD, using the cash that YOU gave them! The whole 'banks cannot be investment firms' thingie, don't you REMEMBER this shit?

YOU helped to FUND these FUCKS, you stupid, complicit MORON!

Yeah, you saw 'beyond yourself', and BOUGHT this BULLSHIT!

How does it feel, paying year after year for a 'product' that you couldn't or wouldn't use or need, paying for it for the PAST 20 YEARS, and finding out that this money went to cause the IMPLOSION OF THE ENTIRE WORLD'S ECONOMY in favor of the SAME crooked motherfuckers that told you to GIVE THEM THE MONEY OR ELSE in the FIRST PLACE, you stupid misled sheople fuckster?

I've also had GREAT insurance, my whole life. Mostly, it was due to the fact that I don't give some asshole fuck my money to guarantee that I won't get sick or die. So far, it has worked out rather well, you monetary gnat-shit. I wager that, when the 'health insurance' you have FINALLY gets overriden, you WILL sign up (albeit reluctantly) to the 'single-payer' plan that was the WHOLE IDEA, as you wait stupidly for your SS payments to kick in, you ponzi-scheming fuck! did the WHITE-SHOE BOIZ put you up to posting here, you 'I am superior because I make more than you' MAGGOT?

 

Well, I've said my piece, and am at peace now.

As for 'Randy', well, he's still chasing the proletariat dream of 'socialized medicine', by BRAGGING about how much these FUCKS have STOLEN from him.

WAIT FOR IT. Here it comes, RandyEater:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l46t_nrySg4

 

YUP. You're WRONG!

 

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:01 | 4137857 LetThemEatRand
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It all makes sense now.  I just didn't listen to Glen Beck enough.  Fuck, it does hurt to think for oneself.  Thanks.   

EDIT:  also crickets on the guy who spends dad's money and thinks I must be a freeloader because I mention that the private insurance system is a scam.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 05:27 | 4138020 buyingsterling
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cock

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:17 | 4137809 2bit Hoarder
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everybody else is signing up for medicaid.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:50 | 4137351 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, that Affordability part is a real fish, ain't it?  Young'uns to be in debt and subsidizing seniors, yes, that will end well.

 

/s

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:46 | 4138452 ElvisDog
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The fundamental flaw in the way Obamacare was implemented was that it required an action on the part of the people. They had to sign up for it. A properly implemented, statist, ACA would have automatically signed up everyone over the age of 18 into Obamacare, and then if you wanted out (if you had other insurance for instance) you had to obtain a waiver. 

Seriously, Obama/Reid/Pelosi, the next time you want to implement an evil scheme send some of that $600 million my way as a consultant.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:45 | 4137337 DCFusor
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I'm one, I might even "get religion" as I understand there's an out for a few of them that don't like doctors.  I can't afford the plan, heck, I rarely spend that much in a decade on docs, much less in a year.

It's the oldest trick in propaganda - change the meaning of the words, then use them the old way.  In this case, it was conflating insurance with access to health care.  No, that's not how it works - I've never simulateously had insurance and a need for it, always paid out of pocket.  You can even bargain sometimes, I usually do.  Docs seem not to mind - they get paid on time and probably more than the insurance cuts them back to.  Big monolithic for-profit hospitals are a problem, however.  Those I wave a lawyer in front of, and they usually back way the heck down.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:52 | 4137355 DoChenRollingBearing
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A year or two ago I ran the idea of paying cash w/ my doctor.  He wasn't the least bit interested, tied to a hospital.  Time for a new Dr?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:24 | 4137435 OneEyedJack
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I’ve decided to forgo health ins and just pay the fine. I asked my Dr how much if I self pay to see her, $125.00 . Then she sent me for a X-Ray . When I called for a appointment I asked how much? The young lady asked if I had insurance so I told her yes. She then stated “we will bill your ins company and if there is a balance we will contact you”. I said OK but how much?? She stated self pay was $40.00.

This is all the health care I used this year after 5000.00 in premiums paid.

So….. if I cancel the ins, pocket the money saved into a HSA (my  control not .govs) I’ll be way ahead.

Stay well

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:33 | 4137452 nmewn
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Probably the thing to do, forgo it.

And definitely don't enter any information into this .gov website thingy:

"Tony Trenkle, the Obamacare official in charge of HealthCare.gov security efforts announced his resignation Wednesday, effective next week.

CBS News has learned that Trenkle, the Chief Information Officer for the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS), was originally supposed to sign off on security for the glitch-ridden website before its Oct. 1 launch, but didn't. Instead, the authorization on September 27 was given by Trenkle's boss, CMS administrator Marilyn Tavenner.

 

As CBS News reported Monday, security assessments fell behind and the website never had the required top-to-bottom tests.

 

Trenkle and two other CMS officials, including Chief Operating Officer Michelle Snyder, signed an unusual "risk acknowledgement" saying that the agency's mitigation plan for rigorous monitoring and ongoing tests did "not reduce the (security) risk to the ... system itself going into operation on October 1, 2013."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57611202/departing-obamacare-security-official-didnt-sign-off-on-site-launch/?tag=socsh

Cuz, ya know, no one in DC could ever be accused of being incompetent, inept, lying, cronyism or thieves or anything like that ;-)

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 22:30 | 4137592 SimMaker
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It gets better.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1721.htm

 

US In Shock After All Obamacare Signup Info Goes To Russian Hacker

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:28 | 4138328 Winston Churchill
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If time permits, I always shop around and pay cash.Normally about 60% of the

quoted price.I blew thru' my $2.5m lifetime limit in one long stay in hospital caused

by a contaminated heart stent.

The surgeon (fla) was untouchable for recompense.

The whole old system was a govt. fuckup, now  being replaced with a much bigger govt.fuckup.

The final nail in the coffin of what was left of  the US economy.

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:00 | 4137375 kaiserhoff
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If only the Amish women were a little more attractive...

Didn't Woody Allen say that about the gypsies?  Naw, must have been sumpin else.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:12 | 4138210 LFMayor
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He said that about his underage stepdaughters.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 13:12 | 4138511 Things that go bump
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That can't be right - he found them highly attractive.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:16 | 4138302 Clark Bent
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So much for relying upon Obama's base to save him, i.e. the low information voters. They can rouse themselves to show up for an hour on election day as long as they are provided rides and given cigarrettes, etc. but getting online and navigating what has been described as an impossibly hard sign up process is apparently beyond their attention spans. Next step will be the government hiring mor ACORN and SEIU soldiers to simply start inputting data and signing people up right from their tax returns. Obama will rid this monstrosity to total ruin as it is essential in his psychopathological commitment to being a man of destiny.  

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:38 | 4137318 johnQpublic
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to help people who were dropped from their plans but now only qualify for plans they can't afford

bwahahaha

affordable care act

bwahahahwaha

more people are losing insurance than are getting insurance

this is rich

and for what they spent on the website, they coulda just bought everyone coverage who wanted it, and actually provided free care

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:20 | 4138308 Clark Bent
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But the Medean harpy Sebelius tells us that they are "better" plans than were had before. Actually they are just more coverage, most of it unuseable to each particular user. Always amusing to see how galactically stupid socialist ideas are in practice; always sobering to realize they will simply impose them by force once the open mockery begins. These idiots understand nothing about economics, history, human nature, or reality generally, but one thing they comprehend perfectly is violence.  

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:01 | 4137381 HardlyZero
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One applicant at a time.  First-in, First-out.  Wait in line.  Should have 1Million signed up and paying by 2020.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:45 | 4137336 Apostate2
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They are all woven into the same piece of cloth--the death of privacy

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:50 | 4137348 kchrisc
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Sorry, not Obama "sorry," but you forgot criminal violations of the "Law of the Land" and treasonous acts.

 

"Can I hold the basket under the guillotine? Please?!"

 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:20 | 4137426 VD
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this motherfucker can hardly give away his stillborn ill-conceived "insurance". Roberts gave him the rope to hang himself with...

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:56 | 4137869 MontgomeryScott
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@V.D.:

I didn't vote you up or down.

It was actually NIKITA KRUSCHEV who gave him the rope. He is playing the part of the 'hangman', and ROBERTS is a complicit motherfucker (I.E. a 'useful idiot') in the murder of this nation.

It helps if you look at the larger picture, V.D., and try to grasp the political machinations of the economic issues.

They want us ALL to be DEAD.

Their master has commanded them thusly.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:16 | 4137891 StychoKiller
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Aww, give some "credit" to Sallie Mae and over $1Trillion in student loans too! :>(

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:25 | 4137275 Wyatt Junker
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Obamacare's Biggest Failure So Far

 

Wait, you forgot being born.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:27 | 4137279 goldenbuddha454
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"I'm Sorry" he says.  Well, I'm sorry too.  Sorry that you're the President of the United States.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:34 | 4137301 knukles
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He was honestly and truly sorry... that he got caught in the lie, that somebody questioned him.  And that somebody is gonna find their ass in some Extraordinary Summer of Fun Forever Work Makes You Free Camp #13, and he's sorry for person's sorry ass, that he ever spoke up, sorry fucker.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:46 | 4137340 nmewn
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Thats funnier than a Obama apparatchik explaining a .gov website!...lol.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:54 | 4137360 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yeah, I'm sure he really was sorry..., LOL!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:04 | 4137390 HardlyZero
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Sorry o'Bummer.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:18 | 4137894 MontgomeryScott
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@DoChen:

I'm sorry, SO SORRY!

TRULY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLR25EJtfE

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:51 | 4137354 kaiserhoff
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That's Stalag 13 knuks.

Mein own volk have the trademark;)

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:55 | 4137363 kchrisc
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No disrespect intended, but does anyone really believe that any other scumbag holding this office would have done any differently?

"Obama is just one piece of corn in a pile of shit."

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:34 | 4137302 nmewn
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From $170 a month to $600...and he's sorry.

Da chickenzaaah...are a-comin-hooomah!...to roostaaah!!!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:37 | 4137313 knukles
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Great investment Dylan.
Thats a 252.94% increase.

Oh wait, the cash goes the wrong way...
What Insurance Stocks* Should I be Buying?

 

* Wait of it!  Excess Profits Taxes, Wage and Price Controls...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:40 | 4137324 nmewn
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lol...OccupyObamaCare!

#CronyChicagoConfidenceMan ;-)

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:43 | 4137330 Yen Cross
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  You guys are killing me...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:55 | 4137366 DoChenRollingBearing
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knukles and nmewn are a formidable tag-team, now it looks like there's THREE of ya...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:04 | 4137387 Yen Cross
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   I'm just starting my internship, DoChenRollingBearing

  I would love to see a thread with Knuckles, LTER, H.Horseman, nmewn, TYLER, > awe shit! I lost track...

 Z/H has some brilliant minds! Your's included...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:08 | 4137402 Harbanger
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ZH'rs holding down the line-of-battle and anchoring the enemy through engagement.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:53 | 4137357 kaiserhoff
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Or just open a can of whoop ass on him.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:02 | 4137383 knukles
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You get your whoop ass even if you don't like it

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:06 | 4137397 knukles
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Free whoop ass for everybody!

Fuck it, might as well go for the home run....

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 04:40 | 4138006 James-Morrison
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The first lie is a teaser-- it's like foreplay.

The real lie is that the "bad apple" policy you lost (if you like your policy, you can keep it) is worse than the "horse apple" Obamacare replacement.

Obamacare policies are Shit.

By the time the government website is fixed, the sheeple's furror will evaporate.

What's left?
-High monthly premiums.
-High deductibles
-Narrow provider networks
-Massive insurance land grab
-Gun at your head

In a nutshell: unaffordable healthcare.

Did you know there are only 139 insurance choices in America because of this law. That is an average of less than 4 per state. Do you really think bankruptcies due to poor healthcare coverage will decrease?

139 choices and the central government can't build a website?

Surprise, surprise, we are truly f--ked.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:30 | 4137293 Wyatt Junker
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less than half of uninsured Americans (44%) who plan to get insurance say they will do so through an exchange, and about one in four say they are more likely to pay a fine instead of getting insurance.

 

Its too hard for the gimedats.  They actually have TO DO something.  Obama should have made it easier for them.  Have the nurse show up at their doorstep with a doctor right on their heels, a gun in the back of both of their heads, forcing them into a hopeychanger's living room. 

Room service.

They demand room service.  And even then it probably wouldn't be enough.  Have to get the nurse to open their mouths and insert the pills directly in 'em, then slam their lower jaw up and down until the pills dissolve, then pump their stomach for them in order to get them down into their pooper.

Until then, its NO DEAL!  These people want their free healthcare FREE... and easy.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:38 | 4137316 nmewn
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I won't be satisfied until Adriana Llima is forced to be my nurse.

Dammit...my health care is a right!!!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:38 | 4137317 knukles
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Why, I think you may be right!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:39 | 4137320 for shizzle my ...
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The Chicago Jews took a wood pile nigger and made him a house nigger- and got him elected - even they did not understand the extent of his narcissistic sociopathy...or really, a shuck n' jiver wannabe.............

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:44 | 4137333 Carl Popper
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He is not a nigger.

He is a white black.

Just like Zimmerman is a white hispanic.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:56 | 4137368 kaiserhoff
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All I'm sure about is that his Momma was a crazy Ho.

You hear that, Barry.  Yo Momma!

WTF does that mean, anyhoo?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:41 | 4137325 Yen Cross
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  You guys want to see what socialized medicine looks like?

  Drunk Man Wakes Up in Body Bag in Morgue After Big Night Out

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:45 | 4137335 Carl Popper
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Free Francis Sawyer!

(t shirts coming soon)

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:05 | 4137353 Yen Cross
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 I'll take a (bakers) dozen!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:59 | 4137373 Seasmoke
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I will take one for each day of Hanukkah. 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:45 | 4137339 saltedGold
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"Once the site is fixed, the administration is planning a more aggressive media campaign to encourage more people to sign up for plans on the marketplaces."

That's great, waste more money trying to get people to sign up for something they already know they can't afford...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:04 | 4137385 kchrisc
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I understand the corruption behind it, but it always trips me out when the criminals of government feel the need to "advertise" some program.

"It's so good and and so free that we had advertise to tell you about it." LOL

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:50 | 4137350 El Tuco
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Someone built a tool to DDoS Healthcare.gov: 'destroy Obamacare'

http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/8/5081064/someone-built-a-tool-to-ddos-healthcare-gov-destroy-obamacare

 

 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:51 | 4137352 Joebloinvestor
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I just wonder in what form the "bail in" is gonna take shape.

No way will Barry or the Democrats admit they fucked up till after they are voted out.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:55 | 4137364 surf0766
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If you sign up now you get obama phone, obama car, obama house, obama bling, and this all new obama bobble head for yo new car.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:40 | 4137843 Milestones
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Throw in a teteprompter and we got a deal.                      Milestones

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:55 | 4137365 q99x2
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Hi Ho BitCoin: Last price:$364.01000

To the Moon Bitchez.


Fri, 11/08/2013 - 20:58 | 4137370 nmewn
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Bout time to exchange for fiat or gold eh? ;-)

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:00 | 4137374 A Lunatic
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I think I could have figured out a better way to insure 18% of the population other than destroying the whole fucking system for everyone.......

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:12 | 4137408 nmewn
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...unless the real object was, to destroy the system already in place.

The man is a lying sociopath.

His own "folks" were predicting upwards of 60% losing their health insurance coverage by enacting this "law" while he was saying "If you like your plan you can keep it."...at the very same time.

Fact. 

And now he's running around saying he's sorry.

He's as nuts as Biden.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:19 | 4137423 A Lunatic
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Psychopaths are incapable of being sorry........

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:59 | 4137502 nmewn
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It really was a glaring moment wasn't it?

He made some ludicrous attempt to distance himself from not only his words...but also the ramifications of his deeds.

Its not like his cohorts strong armed & bribed senators & reps to get the "law" onto his desk. Its not like he signed it into "law" after lobbying for it and touting it as the best thing since sliced bread for young & old alike. Its not like his administration wrote the regulations for it that are now stripping people of what they freely chose on their own and he now deems unfit for them without knowing any of their personal circumstances.

No, somebody else "built that"...he was misled...his dog ate his homework...there was a massive fire...a biblical flood...there was nothing he could do, he'll fix it. Some central planner somewhere operating without his authority.

He just had to say he's sorry.

So, its fixed.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 22:25 | 4137579 Dick Buttkiss
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That's what their love of us is all about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5-8_1uCzR8

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:02 | 4137377 grunk
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The entire planet is laughing at this liar.

Not even Chuck Todd and NBC can save him.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:01 | 4137379 foxmuldar
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Obama's supposed apology. Im sorry there are millions of dumb Americans out that that got sucked into buying lousy healthcare coverage. I know better, my plan will be much better for them. Only I Obama know whats best for Americans. Trust me. LOL 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:01 | 4137382 q99x2
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Nobody wants that shit. When I was a lazy hippy bum in Venice California I had better care than I do now when I pay for it.

Impeach the black Devil already.

Dude is Mad.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:04 | 4137386 Being Free
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At least one Democrat agrees -- Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.V., on Thursday joined Sen. Mark Kirk, R-Ill., to introduce a bill that would delay the mandate until 2015.

Fuck these red-blue dimwits.  It doesn't need to be delayed, it needs to be ripped out by it's roots, shredded, burned and the ashes shoved up Oshitters ass.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:54 | 4137762 post turtle saver
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I play a game where I replace the word 'delay' with 'repeal'... it makes for more pleasant reading

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:12 | 4137409 kchrisc
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Some more shoes to drop:

1) Actually getting care

2) Employer mandate coming up.

3) Actually getting the insurance companies to pay and not reject half of the billed items.

 

I've got the beer and popcorn ready. Now this is some reality I can watch and enjoy.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:22 | 4137431 vegas
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Failure means nothing to President Chalky Goebbels; only spin to the in-the-tank MSM. Socialists don't care about results; they only care about power and the use of it.

 

http://vegasxau.blogspot.com

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:31 | 4137905 MontgomeryScott
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Damn, that's a good quote!

"Socialists don't care about results; they only care about power and the use of it."

I would change the defined descriptive to 'Totalitarian Socialists', though. 'Socialists' are usually soft, wet, compliant little worms; who seek only to please the masses that they think they serve (much like certain species of lower vermin who symbiotically bond with the host body, returning some modicum of pleasure as they suck the lifeblood out of it).

D'ya ken, W.C?

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:33 | 4137911 MontgomeryScott
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Sorry.

I failed to define the term 'welfare-maggot-sucking-leeches' when trying to describe 'wet, compliant little worms'.

My bad.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:28 | 4137440 jtg
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Obamacare, the worst of crony capitalism supported by the Left and called Socialism. Only in dumbed down America.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:39 | 4137734 Westcoastliberal
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Not Socialism, Fascism.  It would be socialism if it was single-payer, which is what we need to cut out the fat bastards. For the record, Obama is a fascist, not a socialist.  His politics are like Hitler really was. Fox news must be pressing the "obama the socialist" meme because I hear it quite often from some of the un-informed, all due respect.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:33 | 4137910 dexter_morgan
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Yep, elimination of all competition is always a good thing right? Works every time its tried.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:41 | 4137915 MontgomeryScott
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@ 'WestCoastLiberal:

You are grasping at, but failing to, define the term "TOTALITARIAN SOCIALIST".

There are two dicotomies at play, here. The FABIANS were one of them, and Obama is a wanna-be FABIAN socialist.

Obama is a 'soft socialist', but is goaded in to being a 'hard' one, by the machinations of the likes of Valerie Jarret and the Emmanuels.

Check out the REAL political/economic aspects.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 21:34 | 4137454 MedicalQuack
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There were crappy policies sold by insurers no doubt and they were not very good but that's only part of the group as other policies are being cancelled for other "legal" reasons and you have to realize that when a policy is cancelled and a new offering is made to replace out come the risk assessments to bring every little blemish out and that's machine created with the algorithmic formulas insurers use.  That's been going on way before Obamacare ever was a dream, happened to me years ago.  The whole process though does suck with how the algorithmic formulas are giving folks choices.  And while all this is going on United Healthcare is firing doctors from being in network right and left for Medicare Advantage plans and won't talk to them or tell them why. Now read this on how 2 big US corporations are taking our sick system to the UK and other places.  It's all about money.  In a few months an executive from United will be running the NHS, and see the connections here with Cerner...interesting.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/11/cerner-and-united-healthcare-foot...

I see the logic of making sure all had a decent policy but the insurer business analytics worked it and they know there's a captive audience sitting there too, so not fair there either. 

Next week, more testimonies...the geeks and nerds this time, the important folks:)  Actually not a bad thing at all and will put Todd Park on the spot for sure.  He is now US CTO and when the original website was done before exchanges, he over saw all of that while working for Sebelius. 

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/11/more-healthcare-gov-testimonies-n...

It's the continuous rise and fall of the machines now in healthcare, no longer just a show for markets sadly.

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/11/obamacare-continuous-rise-and-fal...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 22:57 | 4137640 wisehiney
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Fuck it Doc, it's all good. Here's my nice round shiny warm Goldicare card.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:20 | 4137687 Randoom Thought
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For some reason parasitic insurance companies believe that they are due a percentage of all health care spend ... just as parasitic banks believe that they are due a percentage of all economic activity and government believes that they are due a percentage of all value adding labor.

With so many parasites and free riders how are value adding people supposed to pay for them all and have any kind of lifestyle left over for themselves?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:37 | 4137730 Westcoastliberal
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Nice post. Fuck all of them and the politicians shilling for them.  They all deserve eradication along with all the "K Street" rats that currently are infesting D.C.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:36 | 4137914 texas sandman
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Hate to bresk it to you, but if an insurance company doesn't make money and it's loss reserves fall too low they can and usually WILL be forced into raising premiums....by stste regulators.   Insurance coverage is a promise to pay future obligations and regulators make damn sure they have liquid assets sufficient to cover worse case scenarios. 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:11 | 4137935 MontgomeryScott
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@Tex:

Despite your ramdom misspellings, you make the point that the perfect definition of 'FASCISM' is the merger of the 'Corporations' with the 'State', even though you probably didn't realize it when you posted it.

STATE REGULATORS (those appointed by the 'selected officials'), decide by FIAT ('because we say it is') to 'raise rates' (force people to pay even MOAR) to the 'INSURANCE' companies (like, um, AIG and GEICO), and also 'LEGISLATE' (pass FIAT laws) to FORCE EVERYONE (that is, um, YOU and ME) to 'buy' (give them money for their crap or else), enforced by the 'government' (The fucking Internal Revenue Service, you um, people who don't even know what the Constitution says).

How did that 'flood insurance' bullshit pay out after Katrina? The 'gub-mint came in and SWOOPED all the people who were self-sufficient, and DISARMED them. OH, it was THIS:

"Insurance coverage is a promise to pay future obligations and regulators make damn sure they have liquid assets sufficient to cover worse case scenarios."

Damn, skippy, that was a great statement. YOU ACTUALLY GET TO PAY FOR YOUR ENSLAVEMENT and DESTITUTION!

My next job:

MAFIA ENFORCER! The 'bennies' are good, and I don't have to worry about my shooting and murdering people trying to get out of 'N'OW'leans'! The 'STATE REGULATORS' made me do it!

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:11 | 4137796 paicairopsret
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There are too many people without homes! We should mandate that everyone purchase a house. This would be good for the economy and solve the homeless problem. We don't need to think beyond this simple solution.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:13 | 4137938 MontgomeryScott
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I was looking for the 'sarc' tag.

DEREGULATION, BITCHEZ!

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:29 | 4137829 jack stephan
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Everytime I'm forced to see that putz, all I can think about is

"I got these cheeseburgers"....

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:38 | 4137839 ebworthen
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My Son is 20; he looked at the premiums and the deductibles and said "Screw that!  That's bullshit!  That's not insurance!?!?"

I could only agree with him.  When I told him what my premiums and deductible would be he was dumbfounded.

"That's not affordable!  What's affordable about that!?!?"

Exactly.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:43 | 4137849 TBT or not TBT
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Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:28 | 4137903 dexter_morgan
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By the standards Obama and his single-payer cabal are measuring it, it is a fantastic success thus far.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:44 | 4137920 damicol
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There is a simple answer  guys,,

There is a place in London called Llloyds of London.

It is where virtually all insurance risk is underwritten all around the world from earthquakes to typhoons

It won't take long for some smart guy to figure to set up with a Lloyds syndicte  to block buy insurance for health at a huge discount that people can buy directly from London.

Or if you need an operation, well there are thriving hospitals in places like the Philippines that can do a heart bypass for $10,000 cash and in the best hospitals there.

Cheaper than a years insurance and take a nice vcation at the same time or if you don't have $10,000 you could easily arrange a loan to cover any shortfall

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:23 | 4137953 MontgomeryScott
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Well, you are really getting to some root issues here.

Everyone at ZH is looking to make a quick buck, for God, and King Mammon.

What's this 'Lloyd's Of London' thingie?

I've never heard of it before.

Could you perhaps provide some links?

E-mail them to me at '1-800-Obama' (dot com).

I would love to get in on the ground floor of this 'investment opportunity'.

Thanks,

Barry

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 06:37 | 4138054 Fred123
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I just had an eye exam and had the lenses replaced in two pairs of glasses. It cost me $45 in Thailand. 0bama has managed to outsource our entire healthcare industry. But then that is what he is looking to do - destroy our economy.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:18 | 4138215 LFMayor
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watch out for those window blinds over there, i hear they're dangerous.  Just ask Carredeine...

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 04:12 | 4137996 Prime Rib
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When I was young (20-45), many years ago, the thought of having "health insurance" was, well, what? non-existent. Now, everybody needs it, they say.  I didn't have real coverage until I was about 48 years old. I paid for services or traded, or went without and just got better. What the hell. Now we all need coverage from birth  - now it's a national crisis. Young people aren't signing up for Obamacare? Why should they?

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 09:17 | 4138161 Sathington Willougby
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On Cooling the Mark Out - "Sometimes, however, a mark is not quite prepared to accept his loss as a gain in experience and to say and do nothing about his venture. He may feel moved to complain to the police or to chase after the operators. In the terminology of the trade, the mark may squawk, beef, or come through. From the operators' point of view, this kind of behavior is bad for business. It gives the members of the mob a bad reputation with such police as have not. yet been fixed and with marks who have not yet been taken. In order to avoid this adverse publicity, an additional phase is sometimes added at the end of the play. It is called cooling the mark out After the blowoff has occurred, one of the operators stays with the mark and makes an effort to keep the anger of the mark within manageable and sensible proportions. The operator stays behind his team?mates in the capacity of what might be called a cooler and exercises upon the mark the art of consolation. An attempt is made to define the situation for the mark in a way that makes it easy for him to accept the inevitable and quietly go home. The mark is given instruction in the philosophy of taking a loss."

Sorry chumps, that's how the game is played.  - Obama

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:06 | 4138282 Brindle702
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Do you know where this quote came from originally?  If yes then please cite and/or please link.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 09:29 | 4138172 bvocal
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Amazing the lenghts we are going through to avoid the only workable solution. Single payer. Medicare for all.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 16:20 | 4138951 therevolutionwas
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It might work, until we run out of money to take from people who have any and run out of willing medical practitioners.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:00 | 4138199 roadhazard
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They will.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:25 | 4138222 Chaos_Theory
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I just want to find the time masheen and go back and warn people.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 19:49 | 4141481 esum
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the obamacare site, the obamacare system, obama foreign policy, obama domestic policy, obama monetary policy, obama economic policy, supporting al queda and the muslim brotherhood... ALL WORKING EXACTLY AS HE PLANNED.... DESIGNED TO DESTROY AMERIKA

 

 

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