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The United States Has More People In Jail Than High School Teachers And Engineers

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

America has become a gigantic gulag over the past few decades and most of its citizens don’t know, or just don’t care. One of the primary causes of the over incarceration in the U.S. is the absurd, tragic failure that is the “war on drugs”, and indeed nearly half of the folks in prison are there for drug related offenses. Making matters worse is a rapidly growing private prison system, which adds a profit motive to the equation. Recently, I wrote an extensive rant against the private prison system and provided details on how it works in:  A Deep Look into the Shady World of the Private Prison Industry.

Now here are some of the sad facts. There are 1.57 million people in federal and state prison (does not even include county and local jail) according to the Department of Justice. That’s above the nation’s 1.53 million engineers and 1.05 million high school teachers.

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More from the Huffington Post:

If sitting in a prison cell was a job, it would be one of the most common jobs in the United States. In 2012, there were some1,570,000 inmates in state and federal prisons in the U.S., according to data from the Justice Department.

 

By contrast, there were about 1,530,000 engineers in America last year, 815,000 construction workers, and 1 million high school teachers, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

 

There were also 750,000 car technicians.

Yep, you know it. USA! USA!

Full article here.

 

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Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:06 | 4137656 Yen Cross
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 Fema needs 'fence builders'?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:15 | 4137677 Groundhog Day
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i'll bet you a 1.5 million dollars that not one of those i.5 million incarcerated is a banker form any of the TBTF's. C'mon anyone? i need to get paid, i gotz more stackin to do

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:22 | 4137691 Pladizow
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Want things to get exponentially worese?

Have the US declare a war against it!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:27 | 4137702 Xibalba
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Can we officially call the USA a police state now?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:30 | 4137712 johnQpublic
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patience...soon

very soon

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:51 | 4137757 markmotive
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Innocent or Guilty: Why You Should Never Talk to the Police

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/05/innocent-or-guilty-why-you-should-...

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:55 | 4137927 economics9698
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The main reason for incarceration is lack of a biological father in the home.  Blacks 73%, Hispanics 46%, and whites 26% born out of wedlock.

This policy by the federal government of destroying the family is intentional and started in the 1950s.  It escalated in the 1960s when payment to unwed mothers went from 80% of the minimum wage in the 50s to quadruple by 1970.  The architects of these family destroying policies should be hung from the end of a rope until dead.

 

Charles Murray documents these policies in his book “Losing Ground” and follows up with the results in his book “Coming Apart.”

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 03:48 | 4137986 Harlequin001
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at least they're not counted as unemployed...

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 07:41 | 4138091 negative rates
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It was the lost war on drugs, just to add to the many lost wars this country is currently fighting.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 08:14 | 4138106 GetZeeGold
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Not included in those figures are the New Mexico anal probes due to the epileptic drug sniffing dogs.

 

They keep doing them because you gotta figure the dog is going to be right sooner or later.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 18:14 | 4139193 mjcOH1
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"They keep doing them because you gotta figure the dog is going to be right sooner or later."

 

But even if they're not, telling some poor fuck the Constitution says he has to shit in a collinder never gets old.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 04:25 | 4138002 Ghordius
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Perhaps, yet NOT "The main reason for incarceration". Read the article again, there it's spelled out

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:02 | 4138201 Bendromeda Strain
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From Krieger's blog:

"The most stunning figure is that law enforcement made an estimated 12.2 million arrests in 2012."

"Let’s get into some details on the drug war. The total number of drug arrests in 2012 was 1.56 million, and an an absolutely absurd 82% of those arrests were for possession alone, as opposed to sales/manufacturing."

Hmm...that leaves 10.6 million arrests for other than (primarily) drug related. I happen to agree with Richard Pryor, "thank God for the penitentiary", or would you bleeding heart libertarians prefer to go back to a more vigorously applied death penalty for violent offenders?

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:33 | 4138425 climber
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Sure why not? The world is over-populated enough already.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 16:15 | 4138936 mkkby
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Yep, it's not just about drugs.  Since state mental health facilities were closed in the 60s, the prisons have become homes the the mentally ill.

The "Norwegians" commit 80% of the crimes.  Fence in the inner cities and the prisons can be closed.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:27 | 4138227 BandGap
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If you read Losing Ground you don't need to read the follow up, we're living in that environment.

More prisoners in the US than Russia had in the Gulags back in the day. Just sayin'.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:15 | 4138301 CH1
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The main reason for incarceration is...

The war on drugs.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:39 | 4138436 Otrader
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+1500000

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:32 | 4137717 SafelyGraze
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put the enginners in jail

pay them 11 cents per hour

make America great again

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:37 | 4137728 TBT or not TBT
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But give them cubicles, and comfortable chairs, and unlimited coffee.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:09 | 4137792 Boop
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Add fluorescent lighting, more money and work-release, and then you're really talking.

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 09:49 | 4138191 Big Brother
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Don't forget conjugal visits- engineers need lovin' too.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:28 | 4138230 Budd aka Sidewinder
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"Conjugal visits? I don't know about that. I had a client in Federal prison. He sad the key is kick someone's ass the first day or get ready to be someone's bitch"

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 18:11 | 4139188 Vampyroteuthis ...
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I am an engineer and some work places are not far from prison.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:27 | 4138414 venturen
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put the unemployeed in jail and get a ZERO unemployment 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:28 | 4140600 max2205
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The new career path. ...teacher. ..jail....construction worker....rinse and repeat

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:19 | 4137948 FreedomGuy
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As soon as they start jailing the opposition...for the greater good of the nation.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 08:17 | 4138111 SWRichmond
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what do you think the IRS scandal is about

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:02 | 4138279 GeorgeHayduke
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Well, that's their attack against the far right of today. They've jailed and killed the left for at least the past 100 years. Striking miners, anarchists in Chicago, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, etc... They've been halfway there for quite some time. They're just expanding their reach these days as more and more people catch on the their scam.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 08:18 | 4138112 SWRichmond
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Double...delete

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 08:42 | 4138138 rbg81
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So, let's see:  the US population is 314M; of this, 197M are adults between 18 and 65 (62.7%).  So, that means that about 0.8% of the adult population is in prison.  This surprises me only because it seems low.  Given the number of assholes & scammers out there, I would have expected somewhere between 1-2% of adults to be in prison.  

The problem with throwing out these big numbers is that the US has a big population.  You can't properly interpret the numbers without taking that into consideration. 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:06 | 4138389 RaceToTheBottom
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The numbers were relative to other career paths. 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 13:37 | 4138549 rbg81
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Uh, I understood that.  So what? 

There are practical limits to the number of engineers and HS teachers this country can support.  No such limit for criminals.

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 15:50 | 4138871 ed31337
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HS teachers, I can agree with. There are only so many high school age students.

Limits to the number of engineers that the country can support? I beg to differ on that. Engineers support the country, not the other way around.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 16:25 | 4138955 rbg81
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I agree with you, engineers are a good thing.  However, traditionally only 1-2% of the population has been engineers.  Maybe up to 3% if you also lump in other categories (like software engineers).  Only a very few have the ability to be engineers. Some countries, like India and the USSR, tried to exceed those limits, but it didn't work out so great for them.

According to this article, US functions with about 0.8% engineers, the same % as prisoners. The number of real engineers needed is a tiny % of the population.   Also, be aware that many people who call themselves engineers only do pseudo-engineering tasks (we call them PowerPoint engineers). Luckily, engineering is a very versatile degree to have.  Engineers are natural problem solvers and can migrate to other types of jobs easily.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:12 | 4138395 GeorgeHayduke
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"Given the number of assholes & scammers out there, I would have expected somewhere between 1-2% of adults to be in prison."

You make a good point. We do seem to have a huge number of assholes and scammers in this country. In fact, there's a good argument to be made that scamming and hustling IS the American way, with being an asshole as your right and privilege as a scammer and hustler. Maybe that's where the "exceptionalism" comes from in the phrase American Execptionalism.

You can make the same argument of modern Capitalism in general in that it's a system that rewards assholes, hustlers and scammers while screwing the folks trying to play according the rules of the mythology set forth in popular economic theories. At least, that's where it seems to be these days.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 15:08 | 4138765 Jorgen
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@4138138

The problem with throwing out these big numbers is that the US has a big population.  You can't properly interpret the numbers without taking that into consideration.

 

USA is still #1, any way you look at the numbers or percentage:

http://www.prisonstudies.org/info/worldbrief/wpb_stats.php?area=all&cate...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:30 | 4137708 johnQpublic
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yay!

my brother went from the fifth largest profession, to the largest profession!

judge threw out all the fbi evidence a year ago

stale warrant on a crime that lasted 17 seconds

if he worked for Deibold it woulda been legal

hacktivism=bad

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:49 | 4137732 nc551
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Several years ago at the age of 25 I spent 28 days in jail with a $2 million bail after an ex-boss had forged my signature on 1 out of the 15000 evidence documents against him after I quit 6 years before at the age of 19 and moved out of state.   The let me out after they found out there was no case against me and I spent 2 years in pre-trial.  All 792 years max sentence 100+ felony charges dropped 1 week before jury selection, not even a sorry.  Every traffic stop has been a bit weird since then especially since I refuse to talk to the police now and they can see it on their computers.  At the initial hearings the DA told the rubber stamp commissioner that I had hidden the money and was a flight risk, hence the bail.  It only took 2 days of freedom to scrap my revenge plans.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:01 | 4137777 ironsky
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You're a better man than I.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:04 | 4137781 nc551
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The experience was my red pill.  At this point I am thankful for it.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:48 | 4138256 Upswaller
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I'm not a lawyer, but I have some direct experience in this:  I hope expungement is something you can go after in your state.  Since you did nothing wrong, some courts will literally delete your name from the arrest records.  If it's available, I urge you to look into this with a lawyer.  You deserve that.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:05 | 4137783 gdogus erectus
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Good god. What a horror story. Glad I worked it out.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:33 | 4137900 DaveyJones
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I've had a number of clients with nightmares like that. And you're right, when it's over, they still act like you were nothing but an incovenience. Why should it be any different than any other thing this government does to its citizens - or anybody elses. I'm sorry you had to go through that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0 

A judge I know well took me into his chambers and told me his son (who works for the feds) investigated part of this case and questioned this judge. His son said dad this was the most insane and idiotic defendant we ever questioned.

What a symbol of our age

This "industry" like so many others, has gone to the devil. The same giant industries who have the prison food contracts have the school food contracts. The ultimate dress rehearsal of our real role in this sick and suicidal theatre. Our food giants are our chemical weapon giants. When were not literally in prison, our banks and our bureaucrats create another. Our debt and our own passivity finish the sentence.

when do we break out   

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 05:19 | 4137943 nc551
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Thank you.  And as a side note, how do you know you are living in a banana republic?  When tax evasion charges might net you much more time than the average murder.

Also, as far as the food goes in jail... I could only describe it is as nasty enough where normal people wouldn't complain the prisoners are being too well fed and just above the line where the humanitarians would complain about the conditions.  They are masterfully walking a fine line there.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 07:45 | 4138094 negative rates
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If there is a law that needs to be changed, and you can not change it, you must break it. It's just like breaking in a green deputy.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:47 | 4137923 DeadFred
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Kudos on the 2 day turn around on the revenge plans. You have more saint blood than me.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:14 | 4137939 El Vaquero
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Yeah, shit like that kind of makes you not want to talk to the popos.  A friend of mine just recently had a case dropped the day of trial.  His wife had been drinking (very shitfaced) and wanted go out to her dads with their daughter.  He called the cops (yes, dumb, but there is a reason that I'll not get into, and he won't be doing that again) to stop her, and he was arrested for domestic violence.  She even told the cops that he never touched her.  They had 2 weeks to not only restart everything, but to also have the trial after they dropped the charges.  They were still sending subpoenas out to his wife in that short timeframe, even though it was unrealistic to have a trial scheduled.  Once the fucks decide somebody is guilty, that's it, they're going to turn the screws. 

 

Not as bad as yours nc551, but it does show the same mentality. 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:36 | 4137962 nc551
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I have no respect for the police any longer.   I've had 3 minor traffic violations in the last 6 years since this and on the first one they asked me to get out of my car (which since then i've protested and gotten away with it) and sit in the passenger seat of their car.  I watched them go through 7 pages of my past charges.  They aren't quite sure how to deal with me since I'm always carrying a gun and have no convictions on my record and am a super respectful uptight dick to them now.  I have straight up told them it is 'With all due respect, none of your business, and if i'm not being detained I'd like to go on my way.'  I get the sense they are afraid to mess with me because I appear untouchable due to this crap.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:46 | 4137969 El Vaquero
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Yes, beating them at their own game does help with the fear factor.  You learn how to work the system.  The problem is that knowing how to work the system is beyond most people, and they don't have that big win on their records. They know how to deal with the average sheep, but not somebody who can and will fuck them, and that fucking will be very legal like.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:32 | 4138223 DaveyJones
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that's what happens. Once you're on their MDT terminals with any kind of arrest record, the game is over. They take the attitude that the courts are insane and if they arrested you, you only got off by luck or a good attorney. the first criminal database records were maintained by local police on paper at the turn of the century so they trust that reality over any other.

I take the theory that the NSA bits are not only the ulitmate criminal database, it's a database that can be MADE into a criminal one by associating any link on any website you visit to anything criminal. One of Snowden's recent releases was a database that captures millions of texts and the program title is literally "just in case"

There are a few older cops who have seen enough and have enough brains to know reality but they're rare. Even their own internal discipline records are self serving and designed to be deceptive -like the military that they model. We had an incredible case about two years ago with a state trooper who, after a good comb through his records, is a dangerous psychotic who likes to run motorcyclists off the road and stick guns in peoples faces for no reason whatsoever or, literally, for asking directions . But the fine details were kept close with the judge going through them in an "in camera" review only to decide what we can see. Our client's case was dismissed (he was trying to run them off the road as well) but the prosecutors made a very deceptive public statement and he is on the road as we speak.  

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 06:45 | 4138047 New World Chaos
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The Feds have given directives, with strings attached, to the local cops.  They must arrest the male whenever there is a domestic issue, regardless of whether he was at fault or whether there was even a crime.  Then the system grinds him (and the kids) to dust.  This is one of the NWO's attacks on the family.  It is implemented at the Federal level by useful-idiot feminazis. 

A father burned himself on the steps of a courthouse over this.  His name was Thomas Ball.  His manifesto is long but worth a read:  http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/last-statement-sent-to-sentinel... It is about "the second set of books", i.e. the web of de facto secret laws used to destroy honest people, and how the second set of books is part of a high-level conspiracy to destroy families.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 13:52 | 4138591 El Vaquero
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That is probably true with the PD that arrested him, although it may just be that the cops here like to fuck people up because they can.  Either way, the end result is the same.  I do live in the land of excessive anal probes afterall (it was a different PD,) and police abuse here is pretty bad. Once you get above the magistrate level, the courts (i.e. judges, the DAs aren't all that nice) here are better than most other places, so that does help.  Magistrate/Muni/Metro level is a crapshoot. 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 13:10 | 4138508 Raging Debate
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El Vaquero - That story sounds a lot like the State politics of New Hampshire. A crazy group of women lesbos from MA took iver tge legislature in the late 90's. By 2008 the joke was that if you had a penis you got taxed by domestic and traffic fines.

And if you had a business like mine, the State encouraged frivilous lawsuits from employees. A judge told me when I was sued without an attorney I would lose. Boy he was right because although there was no case and the expert witness on my side, a new female judge was appointed, procedure was changed a new pretrial ordered and I was given two weeks to appear.

My Mother had cancer and I was bringing her to MA General for treatment, I had paid my business bills and didnt check my mail. The case defaulted against me.

I could go on about NH such as them breaking the UI contract and forcing full payment for former employees that went on it and other things. I fought that and they just confiscated the amount right out of my bank account. What was not mentioned in the news was that the state went bankrupt in 2010-11 and just stole what it needed to operate.

On top of theft through inflation, I imagine such direct confiscations to also happen at the federal level. That is why hard assets over paper make so much sense.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:40 | 4138347 Gohn Galt
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The Judicial System is not what most people think.  We would be better off without this parasitic protection racket.  I would love to have discussions about how to do away with it.  Just as important I would love to address a complete elimination of the imprisonment system. 

What an upside down world where the #1 job in America with the most security is a prison inmate.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 13:41 | 4138560 yofish
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What an awful (great) story. Once and awhile one reads something @ ZH in the comments that is other than the normal cute-ass stupid. Thanks for the share. 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 06:08 | 4138044 silvermail
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In the U.S., the power has been usurped and is concentrated in the hands of a small group of individuals.
United States - it is a country in which all power has in the hand a one-party system. It is a latent form of dictatorship.
This one is the only ruling party in the U.S., called "The Party of big business."
This party has captured the right to print money, that contrary to the Constitution of the United States and for this reason, the regime of dictatorship, has unlimited power in the United States. It is the real military and police dictatorship (stratocracy).

Theatrical struggle between Republicans and Democrats, which we see every day on the TV, it's only screen to conceal from the people real power of
dictatorship in the United States.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:20 | 4138216 blindman
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norman dodd on foundations, trusts, banking, the constitution
and education, population control, public policy and more.
.
Norman Dodd, G. Edward Griffin, 1982: Reece Cmte., Central Bank C
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgL8rqqddAU
.
e.g.: "why do the foundations generously support communist causes
in the united states?"
n.d.: "well, because to them communism represents a means of developing
what we call a monopoly, as the organization will say of large scale industry
into an administer-able unit.
e.g.: "do they think that they will be the beneficiary..
n.d.: "they will be the beneficiaries of it, yes."
.
you could replace the word "communism" with the word "terrorism"
or "fascism" here just to see how that might sound.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 20:27 | 4139407 ich1baN
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Do what china does.... force them to work but instead of paying them with peanuts like in china, incentivize them by paying them wages. Something to make them productive while they are in jail. Make them do more city wide beautification projects so they can get fresh air while cleaning the city, a job that I know all major cities need as highways and streets can get littered quite easily. 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:07 | 4137657 SnobGobbler
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no victim, no crime!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:20 | 4137680 Radical Marijuana
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"No victim, no crime," is a nice theory, SnoGobbler, however, AFTER the established systems become almost totally legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, almost everyone is going to become a victim of those organized crimes controlling their civilization. The path we are on is for more and more of the mainstream morons to find themselves on the wrong side of the law, as the rule of law itself becomes more and more taken over by the best organized gangs of criminals, so that the laws themselves become even more totally legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. The government of the USA is currently running away to become automatically worse and worse, as the biggest organized crime gang and terrorist organization in the world. There are no reasonable grounds to believe anything is going to stop that now ... Rather, the established systems are going to automatically drive themselves towards democidal martial law, faster and faster. The currently established systems are already FUNDAMENTALLY FRAUDULENT, and they are already planning on attempting to consolidate and maintain their runaway triumphant FRAUDS ... I wish there was some way out, but that is now a globalized system.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:57 | 4138269 Jumbotron
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Keep up with the police state here.......best site on the web to do so.

 

http://www.informationliberation.com/

 

 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:09 | 4137659 LetThemEatRand
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But the guys in caves hiding from our unmanned drones hate us for our freedoms.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:31 | 4137713 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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They hate because their g-d said they must hate us. When g-d tells you do something you better do it or else you might get stoned to death.

Islam is funny that way.

Even more funny is how they keep their ugly women hidden. There must be a shit load of ugly women who read the Koran, sorry have the Koran read to them, education is male thing at the Mosque.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:33 | 4137720 jon dough
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Ha-ha, jokes on them, we've lost them all.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:12 | 4137885 hidingfromhelis
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At least our US Politicians don't necessarily hate us; it's our freedoms they hate!

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 08:33 | 4138116 silvermail
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In the U.S., you only have two freedoms:

1. You have the right to be a slave and to praise the one-party regime of the military-police dictatorship of the United States.
2. You have the right to be a slave and to remain silent.

But in any case, you have to believe that Republicans, Democrats and changing the presidents - this is the real power in the United States, and not theatrical farce for enthusiastic crowd of idiots.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:09 | 4137661 ebworthen
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Funny, if it weren't so tragically sad.

Those prisoners make a lot of money for the Kleptoligarchy and the Corporate Prison complex.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:10 | 4137664 LetThemEatRand
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Prison owners.  The new "productive class."  

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:32 | 4137715 jon dough
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I was thinking cum-dump-tive but then I'm smashed.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:13 | 4137887 hidingfromhelis
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Job creators!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:26 | 4137700 Redneck Hippy
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Obviously, the solution is to make the prisoners work as high school teachers or engineers.  Win/win.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:53 | 4137975 WOAR
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They did that with antique cars, and were surprised when a lot of the body work was done with Bond-O. Also, the prisoners made shivs from car parts.

After all was said and done, it's a win-win! That style of antique car becomes more valuable (because one more has been ruined), and there are less mouths to feed!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:10 | 4137668 Cognitive Dissonance
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Truly a growth industry.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:16 | 4137674 kchrisc
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"Arbeit Macht Frei"

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:22 | 4137692 Golden Showers
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Yeah, but how many ASSHOLES are out and about?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:24 | 4137695 Golden Showers
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Naturally, it takes one to know one. Just asking.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:59 | 4137770 Golden Showers
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Ok, I'm having a dialogue with myself. But if you consider that the average dumb-fuck american asshole far out numbers the average incarcerated american asshole--you do the math. Or, are we all in a soft prison? Hey, believe it or not, I own a chocolate factory and I employ a lot of little people, sponsor little league games, and all kinds of oompa loompa shit. I've got an elevator that will blow your socks off.

Isn't a prison simply a farm? And is this farm not the evidence for Karl Marx's so-called sociological conflict theory, pro-oved by controlling the environmental variables? Is not 20,000 hours of compulsory schooling in childhood a behavioralist, Skinnerain, wet dream? Ding Ding... And did we not all suffer the same? There are people who conform to sociological thories, depending on how you do the math. But you can make it up now by piecing together paragraphs of journal articles that no one reads into another journal artical that no one reads and get your Masters!

I offer THE ubiquitous American Asshole as a sociological term. Some end up in hard prison, the rest FB, tweet, and jockey on stupid websites because they aren't having great sex on Friday night.

If you can dis-prove my theory, give some evidence and I'll buy you a drink.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:52 | 4137974 reader2010
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Foucault argued the entire western society is a giant gulag some forty years ago. 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 20:40 | 4139434 ich1baN
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Western Society in its current form offers more freedom than we ever had, but the tyrants behind the scenes who try to game the system with Fractional Reserve Banking are the ones that care not what your society is, for the whole world uses FRB. 

They want to keep you in this paradigm of left vs right, so you are constantly distracted from the real end game, one world goverment. It has been the desire of elitist since time memorial to create a 1 world government, it is the reason why the UN was created after WWII.

Now the UN is trying to abolish national sovereignty anyway they can through ploys like UN Agenda 21 which start at the local grassroots level of implementing their ideas of governance.

Basically its the same sadistic Malthusians that think the world should only be 500 million people and that nature is their God, they call Gaia. Just check it out... google UN Agenda 21.  

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 06:40 | 4138052 swedish etrade baby
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I havent read Marx. I´ve picked up the expression materialistic dualism. Marx thought he could predict the path a capitalistic society would take. Did he get the idea that you could predict the future from Hegel?

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 20:54 | 4139453 ich1baN
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Marx, the 33rd degree freemason who was an apprentice to the man who had all the ideas for communism, Engels. 

 

For what it is, communism, feminism, and any other fantical perversion of the mind is all directed to creating a 1 world government. You have no fundamental rights given to you by a creator. Without fundamental rights, you are led to believe that your rights are granted to you from government.

And just forget Hegel and his philosophy that leads to Hegelian Dialectics.

Here is my definition of happiness which could never be acheived under a utopia society organized by Marx-Engels:

Happiness is a life in which there exists free action (including meaningful work), loving relations, and moral character and in which the individual is not plagued by guilt and anxiety but is blessed with peace and satisfaction.

Under Communism there is no such thing as meaningful work, as you are not allowed to pursure your faculties (pursuit of happiness, the 3rd absolute right given by God). 

You are also not allowed to develop your moral character because under communism morality becomes relative, as there is no absolute to define truth and justice. 

And as Socrates and Plato would argue, you have to strive for the greater good, there is no greater good under centralization.

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:01 | 4138276 Winston Churchill
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The prisons are merely the high security wing of the gulag we are all in

now.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:42 | 4137725 Yen Cross
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 " I always hated ""land sharks" >  Lawyers. Even their disgusting numbers are diminishing!

  Is this what you want! ?
Suit: NY Dad Criticized for Denying Son McDonald's - ABC News

   This country has devolved to a level that I can't recognize!

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:05 | 4137785 toady
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I saw that and started calculating ...

Father refuses Micky D's, child refuses to eat = mother feeds child nothing but Micky D's.

Now that's child abuse!

There's more to that story...

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:22 | 4137820 Yen Cross
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 Thanks for taking the time toady . I don't condone the idea of hitting anyone.  That kid needed to be "Bitch-Slapped"!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:38 | 4137727 Cabreado
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With due respect, eventually the statistics morph into a sick little entertainment...

Imagine what might be different if all the exclaiming and intelligent minds were to focus directly on the corruption that lead to, and keeps us, in this state.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:41 | 4137738 TBT or not TBT
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Blame chemists and horticulture nerds

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:38 | 4137731 DeliciousSteak
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Back in the day jails were meant for holding people only until suitable punishment was decided. Usually it was a physical punishment combined with public humiliation. In some cases Islam still does this. It's a good way to keep the cost of incarceration low. "Time" is a suitable punishment only when you need forced labour.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:41 | 4137737 stacking12321
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unemployment problem solved!

just re-classify these people, BLS!

"If sitting in a prison cell was a job,..."

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:47 | 4137750 Hulk
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feels like we are all in prison these dayz...

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:00 | 4137752 Yen Cross
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    Wasted space.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:48 | 4137753 SillySalesmanQu...
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I thought teachers were teaching in a gulag.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:59 | 4137771 Gankfest
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Actually ridiculous that the majoriety of incarcerated people is for stupid shit...

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:29 | 4137830 Money Squid
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by design to keep the jails and prisons at 120% capacity. Job protection. A few months in the new "school" system and these new "students" will never have an honest job again and will return again and again.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:25 | 4138319 Blood Spattered...
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When your forecasted revenue is dependent on recidivism, you know something is really fucking wrong. 

 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 23:59 | 4137772 Seasmoke
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And now Bernard Kerick says the system is broken. Fuck You Bernard !

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:08 | 4137789 Money 4 Nothing
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We went from a RELIGIOUS NONPROFIT TO A PENIAL COLONY INC.

 

Search: Trading with the enemy act

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:14 | 4137800 eddiebe
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One thing old dubbya got right. He said: This sucker is going down'.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:19 | 4137816 Bear
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Very surprised that there are more prisoners than lawyers 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:50 | 4137860 Dre4dwolf
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Why do you think Lawyers get paid soo much?

Supply and Demand . . .

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:24 | 4137825 Money Squid
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"The United States Has More People In Jail Than High School Teachers And Engineers"

So? The prison industry needs jobs too. The war on drugs, war on ADHD, war on poverty, war on terror, war on war creates government jobs, puts government money in the pockets of executives and equity holders, creates low wage debt enslaving jobs.

Its the economy stupid.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:50 | 4137859 Dre4dwolf
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America has become soo morally depraved that we have to declare "war" on all our shortcomings.

 

Where is the "War on War"? Seems to be the only "war" we are not engaged in.

 

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:04 | 4137870 Yen Cross
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 Bear won't answer me , and you're dissecting the very platform of your next ?

  Time for an update?  http://bearmarkettrading.blogspot.com.au/

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:43 | 4137848 Dre4dwolf
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Reasons for such a high % of population in jail in the U.S.

1) Giant wealth gap,

2) no jobs, they all went to china

3) most medicated population on the planet

4) GMO foods destroying peoples health

5) Massive amounts of fluoride in the water causing people to get sick , sick people get desperate , chemical imbalances in the glands caused by fluoride and bromide in the food and water cause brain chemistry to form incorrectly creating people more prone to criminal behavior/nutjobs

6) Corporate Government Greed has displaced a large % of the population from their homes.... when people have nothing left to lose they lose it.

7) The prisons are private and have a minimum number of prisoners enforced, they have to make arrest to fill the corporate quotas, because the private prisons get paid based on attendance.

8) Strict punishment for seamingless petty crimes, that aren't really crimes they are just victimless crime (for example many places are making it illegal to be homeless now, so you can get incarcerated for being poor).

9) Pointless "war on drugs"

On a side note, how can you have no border enforcement yet expect to "win a war on drugs?", thats almost an Oxymorron, every illegal crossing the border should be stopped and checked for drugs..... I mean.... what kinda war are you running here when the border doesn't even exist anywhere but on a map?

Theres 101 reasons why the Justice System in America is broken.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 09:36 | 4138183 wisehiney
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10. Lost religion.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:51 | 4137856 Jack Burton
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I have heard that many private prisons are built in rural areas or even near wilderness areas. The reason, no, not keeping inmates in a setting hard to escape from once over the walls. No, better than that. The prison company builds motels in the nearest small town or on the highways near the prsion. Being so remote, the people who come to visit loved ones in the private gulags have to rent a room! Thus the prsion makes a take off of family too! These fuckers are smart, and they give big bucks to politicians. And what i hate most is those who claim private prisons are money savers. Fuck that, they cost a fortune and screw everyone , taxpayer, prsioner and prisoner's family. I bet the fuckers even open fast food restaurants near the motels to feed family's shit food at high prices. America is a gulag nation, At least 1/4 of prison imnates are there for the most minor drug charges. Many more are insane and really need a mental hospital, not a prsion setting. It' s all fucked, and Americans let it happen.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:06 | 4137877 Overfed
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Out of sight, out of mind.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:10 | 4137882 rationaldemocracy
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it's chocolate, it's people, it's both, it's your beloved capitalist system turning grandma into a tasty treat!

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:34 | 4137912 LetsGetPhysical
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We haven't had a "capitalist system" since 1913. Central Bank = Plank #5

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:51 | 4137973 Non Passaran
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The problem is how and why people get sent to jail, not about private jails (assuming oversight is transparent and fair).

The first private jail may be built in the middle of nowhere. The second will be closer to populated areas, and so on and so forth. Free market works when it's allowed to function. 

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:42 | 4138442 RaceToTheBottom
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Detriot will be one big prison, whether they name it or not.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:54 | 4137862 Yen Cross
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 Since WHEN! Did men stop becoming Fathers and providers?

   Stand strong! Love you're women!

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:53 | 4137863 rationaldemocracy
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Here is an interesting fact - the United States has more people in jail than the Soviet Union ever had in Gulags.

And you are afraid of socialism ? Maybe you need to face the real monster

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 09:34 | 4138178 Race Car Driver
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So less people in jail = socialism is good/Capitalism is bad.

Makes perfect sense.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:54 | 4138469 GMadScientist
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He failed to count the people living in cell block conditions who weren't even convicted of a crime.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 15:35 | 4138838 Tortuga
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That's because 60 million of them never lived long enough to make it to the gulags. + or - a few joooooooooooooooos that made it to Israel.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 00:54 | 4137865 LawyerScum
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When I was a prosecutor, the county jail would send skilled workers (carpenters, plumbers etc.) to the court-house and other county buildings to do repairs and upkeep.  They got to get out of jail for awhile (very desirable because of the brown recluse spider epidemic at the jail) and of course were paid nothing.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't we criticize China for using slave labor?  Perhaps we should remove the plank from our eye first...

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:02 | 4137873 Yen Cross
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  For every "fuckface asshole", there's an honest Man, treating his woman right!

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:44 | 4138447 RaceToTheBottom
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1 to 1.   Something to strive for....

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:05 | 4137875 q99x2
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HeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaa.

They hate us for our freedoms.

Fuck the new world order and their Stazi lies.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 01:59 | 4137928 e2lee
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What is cost per person relative to welfare/food stamps?  

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:55 | 4138472 GMadScientist
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Vastly more expensive, not even counting the trial.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 02:21 | 4137950 Democratic koolaid
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does it occure to anyone that it's very lucrative, and ugenical,  to lock up those that dont have a source of "koolaid."  

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyregion/citys-annual-cost-per-inmate-is-nearly-168000-study-says.html?_r=0

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:40 | 4138241 FredFlintstone
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Hey, I like like your "source of koolaid" concept as the impetus behind keeping society intact. It is an insightful way of viewing our "human condition." I have been a gung ho corporate slave for 25 years and am now looking around and trying to assess my options. Any suggestions by others would be appreciated. (not sure what I did to get this font).

Fred

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:56 | 4138476 GMadScientist
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Make out a nice will and then shoot yourself.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 15:32 | 4138835 Tortuga
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1. Don't look forward.

2. Look back, all you have been told and taught by the system, is a lie.

3. Look around, enjoy today, the family and friends.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 03:45 | 4137985 Non Passaran
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I wouldn't necessarily agree with the premise that there are more prisoners than engineers.

If there's 20K jailed engineers, that statement may very well be wrong. It depends whether a jailed engineer counts as engineer or only as prisoner. I doubt they did that math right.

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 04:25 | 4138003 uranian
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The official figures are of course another lie, according to the article from the Huffington Post:

 

Still, the Justice Department's prison number doesn't include inmates who are incarcerated in county or city jails. That number is hard to come by, since counties and cities keep their own records and don't report to a central authority.

And then there's this video which became viral in the UK when it was first released, a clip from a popular comedy covering the situation.

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 06:30 | 4138050 fijisailor
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I'm an engineer and get solicited every day many times with job offers.  My answer is always the same.  Start paying me like a Wall street banker and maybe I'll move from my current job.  But the answer is always no.  Maybe you should just stay where you are if you want more money.  What kind of a socialistic bullshit state do we live in when demand can't get the supply by offering more money?  What's up with this?  Anyone?

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:06 | 4138284 FredFlintstone
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At my company, which is mostly engineers, they can't find enough good ones. I think one reason that there is a limit to what they will pay is because if you bring in a new guy at a premium, then next year you have to boost everyone up by that amount. Actually a good engineer will make what a physician in family practice will make. Supposedly there is a lack of good doctors as well. 

 

Fred

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 13:01 | 4138490 GMadScientist
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If you really work with engineers, then you should know by now that most of them are more interested in challenging work that they find important than they are in salary. If not, then what you're doing is probably not actually engineering, despite you calling it that.

Most anyone who has the neurons to be a decent engineer could succeed at any number of jobs that earn much higher salaries, but they'd be bored out of their minds and depressed by doing so.

You wouldn't make a thoroughbred pull your oxcart, would you?

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 15:29 | 4138822 Tortuga
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Do you mean good ones that will work the 90 hour weeks for the the first 10 years?

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 12:57 | 4138477 GMadScientist
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"Don't marry for money; you'll earn every fucking penny." - Same logic applies to relationships with employers.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 15:28 | 4138819 Tortuga
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It'll never happen because zuckerburg doesn't lobby for H1B bankers.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 07:45 | 4138093 monad
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Lamest propaganda hit piece on zh ever.  

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:31 | 4138330 Blood Spattered...
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Lemme guess, you work in the private security sector...

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 08:21 | 4138117 overmedicatedun...
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Prisons, and legal system= green jobs, more in prison on trial or in need of active police control = more green jobs..sorry to break it to the eco nuts, but this sorry legal system is a result of going green, the elite who support the green movement (many lawyers and pols who are lawyers) know the more we have in prison, the less these prisoners can cause global warming while creating the need for more lawyers judges prisons and cops..to them this is a win -win and that is why we got HLS and TSA ..we off shored our jobs so they created this monster prison state.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 08:26 | 4138121 shovelhead
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Then, on the other hand, there are some seriously fucked up people that you want locked up never to see the light of day.

In a nearby town, a guy tried to rob the liquor store and the girl refused to give up the money because she recognized him and thought the gun was unloaded.

Shot her twice in the face.

Another town, a guy shot his girlfriend because she wouldn't pass the meth pipe and 3 miles down the county road his car passed 2 girls, 10 and 13 walking on the side, stopped and killed them both because the voices in his head said they knew about him shooting the girlfriend.

This is in as rural as it mostly can get America. Pretty rare for around here but I can't even imagine the hundreds of stories that happen daily in the big cities.

I think we could move out 10 guys who sold dime bags of weed to make room for some of the truly sick assholes out there.

Public / Private doesn't make much difference. The money disappears equally, but the pockets are different.

"Shakin that bush, Boss."

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 15:27 | 4138814 Tortuga
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Last nite on the Dallas news the big story was a scumbag getting the death penality for robbing a store for $65 and then putting lighter fluid on the 76 year old lady clerk, setting her afire and she burned to death. Lawyers will keep him alive for 20 yrs with appeals that the taxpayers pay for. That's wrong.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 08:53 | 4138144 therearetoomany...
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semi-off topic....here's who should really be in jail!  many of the comments in this article, have been mentioned on this thread.  

required reading for all americans send to all you know.....

http://paulcraigroberts.org/2013/11/07/america-lost-paul-craig-roberts/

 

 

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 08:59 | 4138150 22winmag
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We can thank Ronald Reagan and all the fake conservatives who worship at his altar for the massively increased prison population and the massively increased war on drugs.

 

I also think Reagan's American Nazi Vice Prez Bush had something to do with this.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:31 | 4138331 machineh
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(Long) sentencing guidelines, 100x penalties for crack cocaine, criminalization of 'money laundering' (the new 'kitchen sink' change that every federal defendant gets hit with) -- all happened under Reagan.

Republican party = Big Gov partnership with Democrats.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 15:23 | 4138803 Tortuga
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You can also thank Reagan for the drop in crime rates in the last decade +.

The only nazi's left in this country are the zombie dimocrats that are welfare queens and the entire (il)legal system.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 09:44 | 4138189 wisehiney
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The number one reason for this is democrat vote buying. Encouraging welfare queens to have children for money and benefits. This is not doing the mother, child, or you a favor. When the unloved child grows into a dead eyed, dreadlock wearing mofo, slouching down the street, taking offense to "hello" from a white neighbor - you see the result. Their are many more on the way. It is funny to see news reports of white liberals suffering from their own foolishness along with the rest of us. I believe we will see more consequences very soon.

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 22:36 | 4138396 akarc
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Just as a recent ZH post illustrated how Bank money distributed to "both" parties can buy them (Banks) a custom written law in their favor  the same is done in many industries giving to both parties. Before passage of a totally ineffective law addressing texting while driving, in Florida, a Senate aide told me there is are so many communications dollars floating through these halls no bill addressing the "facts" re distracted driving will ever be passed. Check out the Private prison money floating around in Florida and who governor Scott drinks with.  Your statement, "democrat vote " is not only inaccurate, but serves to perpetuate the myth that one party is better than the other when in fact, they are both GUILTY!

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:52 | 4138258 1stepcloser
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Slave labor is a commodity these days!

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 11:50 | 4138367 22winmag
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... and China has us beat when it comes to child/prison/slave labor!

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 10:55 | 4138264 Unstable Condition
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I'd like to read the rest of that article, but I refuse to go to HuffPo since they banned me for espousing too much truthiness...

Sending addicts to prison makes about as much sense as TBTF...

Sat, 11/09/2013 - 13:03 | 4138495 GMadScientist
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Addicts should be politely euthanized for their own good and the safety of others.

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