The United States Has More People In Jail Than High School Teachers And Engineers

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Submitted by Michael Krieger of Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,

America has become a gigantic gulag over the past few decades and most of its citizens don’t know, or just don’t care. One of the primary causes of the over incarceration in the U.S. is the absurd, tragic failure that is the “war on drugs”, and indeed nearly half of the folks in prison are there for drug related offenses. Making matters worse is a rapidly growing private prison system, which adds a profit motive to the equation. Recently, I wrote an extensive rant against the private prison system and provided details on how it works in:  A Deep Look into the Shady World of the Private Prison Industry.

Now here are some of the sad facts. There are 1.57 million people in federal and state prison (does not even include county and local jail) according to the Department of Justice. That’s above the nation’s 1.53 million engineers and 1.05 million high school teachers.

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More from the Huffington Post:

If sitting in a prison cell was a job, it would be one of the most common jobs in the United States. In 2012, there were some1,570,000 inmates in state and federal prisons in the U.S., according to data from the Justice Department.


By contrast, there were about 1,530,000 engineers in America last year, 815,000 construction workers, and 1 million high school teachers, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


There were also 750,000 car technicians.

Yep, you know it. USA! USA!

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Yen Cross's picture

 Fema needs 'fence builders'?

Groundhog Day's picture

i'll bet you a 1.5 million dollars that not one of those i.5 million incarcerated is a banker form any of the TBTF's. C'mon anyone? i need to get paid, i gotz more stackin to do

Pladizow's picture

Want things to get exponentially worese?

Have the US declare a war against it!

Xibalba's picture

Can we officially call the USA a police state now?

johnQpublic's picture


very soon

economics9698's picture

The main reason for incarceration is lack of a biological father in the home.  Blacks 73%, Hispanics 46%, and whites 26% born out of wedlock.

This policy by the federal government of destroying the family is intentional and started in the 1950s.  It escalated in the 1960s when payment to unwed mothers went from 80% of the minimum wage in the 50s to quadruple by 1970.  The architects of these family destroying policies should be hung from the end of a rope until dead.


Charles Murray documents these policies in his book “Losing Ground” and follows up with the results in his book “Coming Apart.”

Harlequin001's picture

at least they're not counted as unemployed...

GetZeeGold's picture




Not included in those figures are the New Mexico anal probes due to the epileptic drug sniffing dogs.


They keep doing them because you gotta figure the dog is going to be right sooner or later.

mjcOH1's picture

"They keep doing them because you gotta figure the dog is going to be right sooner or later."


But even if they're not, telling some poor fuck the Constitution says he has to shit in a collinder never gets old.

Ghordius's picture

Perhaps, yet NOT "The main reason for incarceration". Read the article again, there it's spelled out

Bendromeda Strain's picture

From Krieger's blog:

"The most stunning figure is that law enforcement made an estimated 12.2 million arrests in 2012."

"Let’s get into some details on the drug war. The total number of drug arrests in 2012 was 1.56 million, and an an absolutely absurd 82% of those arrests were for possession alone, as opposed to sales/manufacturing."

Hmm...that leaves 10.6 million arrests for other than (primarily) drug related. I happen to agree with Richard Pryor, "thank God for the penitentiary", or would you bleeding heart libertarians prefer to go back to a more vigorously applied death penalty for violent offenders?

climber's picture

Sure why not? The world is over-populated enough already.

mkkby's picture

Yep, it's not just about drugs.  Since state mental health facilities were closed in the 60s, the prisons have become homes the the mentally ill.

The "Norwegians" commit 80% of the crimes.  Fence in the inner cities and the prisons can be closed.

BandGap's picture

If you read Losing Ground you don't need to read the follow up, we're living in that environment.

More prisoners in the US than Russia had in the Gulags back in the day. Just sayin'.

CH1's picture

The main reason for incarceration is...

The war on drugs.

SafelyGraze's picture

put the enginners in jail

pay them 11 cents per hour

make America great again


TBT or not TBT's picture

But give them cubicles, and comfortable chairs, and unlimited coffee.

Boop's picture

Add fluorescent lighting, more money and work-release, and then you're really talking.


Big Brother's picture

Don't forget conjugal visits- engineers need lovin' too.

Budd aka Sidewinder's picture

"Conjugal visits? I don't know about that. I had a client in Federal prison. He sad the key is kick someone's ass the first day or get ready to be someone's bitch"

Vampyroteuthis infernalis's picture

I am an engineer and some work places are not far from prison.

venturen's picture

put the unemployeed in jail and get a ZERO unemployment 

max2205's picture

The new career path. ...teacher. worker....rinse and repeat

FreedomGuy's picture

As soon as they start jailing the opposition...for the greater good of the nation.

SWRichmond's picture

what do you think the IRS scandal is about

GeorgeHayduke's picture

Well, that's their attack against the far right of today. They've jailed and killed the left for at least the past 100 years. Striking miners, anarchists in Chicago, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, etc... They've been halfway there for quite some time. They're just expanding their reach these days as more and more people catch on the their scam.

rbg81's picture

So, let's see:  the US population is 314M; of this, 197M are adults between 18 and 65 (62.7%).  So, that means that about 0.8% of the adult population is in prison.  This surprises me only because it seems low.  Given the number of assholes & scammers out there, I would have expected somewhere between 1-2% of adults to be in prison.  

The problem with throwing out these big numbers is that the US has a big population.  You can't properly interpret the numbers without taking that into consideration. 

RaceToTheBottom's picture

The numbers were relative to other career paths. 

rbg81's picture

Uh, I understood that.  So what? 

There are practical limits to the number of engineers and HS teachers this country can support.  No such limit for criminals.


ed31337's picture

HS teachers, I can agree with. There are only so many high school age students.

Limits to the number of engineers that the country can support? I beg to differ on that. Engineers support the country, not the other way around.

rbg81's picture

I agree with you, engineers are a good thing.  However, traditionally only 1-2% of the population has been engineers.  Maybe up to 3% if you also lump in other categories (like software engineers).  Only a very few have the ability to be engineers. Some countries, like India and the USSR, tried to exceed those limits, but it didn't work out so great for them.

According to this article, US functions with about 0.8% engineers, the same % as prisoners. The number of real engineers needed is a tiny % of the population.   Also, be aware that many people who call themselves engineers only do pseudo-engineering tasks (we call them PowerPoint engineers). Luckily, engineering is a very versatile degree to have.  Engineers are natural problem solvers and can migrate to other types of jobs easily.

GeorgeHayduke's picture

"Given the number of assholes & scammers out there, I would have expected somewhere between 1-2% of adults to be in prison."

You make a good point. We do seem to have a huge number of assholes and scammers in this country. In fact, there's a good argument to be made that scamming and hustling IS the American way, with being an asshole as your right and privilege as a scammer and hustler. Maybe that's where the "exceptionalism" comes from in the phrase American Execptionalism.

You can make the same argument of modern Capitalism in general in that it's a system that rewards assholes, hustlers and scammers while screwing the folks trying to play according the rules of the mythology set forth in popular economic theories. At least, that's where it seems to be these days.

Jorgen's picture


The problem with throwing out these big numbers is that the US has a big population.  You can't properly interpret the numbers without taking that into consideration.


USA is still #1, any way you look at the numbers or percentage:

johnQpublic's picture


my brother went from the fifth largest profession, to the largest profession!

judge threw out all the fbi evidence a year ago

stale warrant on a crime that lasted 17 seconds

if he worked for Deibold it woulda been legal


nc551's picture

Several years ago at the age of 25 I spent 28 days in jail with a $2 million bail after an ex-boss had forged my signature on 1 out of the 15000 evidence documents against him after I quit 6 years before at the age of 19 and moved out of state.   The let me out after they found out there was no case against me and I spent 2 years in pre-trial.  All 792 years max sentence 100+ felony charges dropped 1 week before jury selection, not even a sorry.  Every traffic stop has been a bit weird since then especially since I refuse to talk to the police now and they can see it on their computers.  At the initial hearings the DA told the rubber stamp commissioner that I had hidden the money and was a flight risk, hence the bail.  It only took 2 days of freedom to scrap my revenge plans.

ironsky's picture

You're a better man than I.

nc551's picture

The experience was my red pill.  At this point I am thankful for it.

Upswaller's picture

I'm not a lawyer, but I have some direct experience in this:  I hope expungement is something you can go after in your state.  Since you did nothing wrong, some courts will literally delete your name from the arrest records.  If it's available, I urge you to look into this with a lawyer.  You deserve that.

gdogus erectus's picture

Good god. What a horror story. Glad I worked it out.

DaveyJones's picture

I've had a number of clients with nightmares like that. And you're right, when it's over, they still act like you were nothing but an incovenience. Why should it be any different than any other thing this government does to its citizens - or anybody elses. I'm sorry you had to go through that. 

A judge I know well took me into his chambers and told me his son (who works for the feds) investigated part of this case and questioned this judge. His son said dad this was the most insane and idiotic defendant we ever questioned.

What a symbol of our age

This "industry" like so many others, has gone to the devil. The same giant industries who have the prison food contracts have the school food contracts. The ultimate dress rehearsal of our real role in this sick and suicidal theatre. Our food giants are our chemical weapon giants. When were not literally in prison, our banks and our bureaucrats create another. Our debt and our own passivity finish the sentence.

when do we break out   

nc551's picture

Thank you.  And as a side note, how do you know you are living in a banana republic?  When tax evasion charges might net you much more time than the average murder.

Also, as far as the food goes in jail... I could only describe it is as nasty enough where normal people wouldn't complain the prisoners are being too well fed and just above the line where the humanitarians would complain about the conditions.  They are masterfully walking a fine line there.

DeadFred's picture

Kudos on the 2 day turn around on the revenge plans. You have more saint blood than me.

El Vaquero's picture

Yeah, shit like that kind of makes you not want to talk to the popos.  A friend of mine just recently had a case dropped the day of trial.  His wife had been drinking (very shitfaced) and wanted go out to her dads with their daughter.  He called the cops (yes, dumb, but there is a reason that I'll not get into, and he won't be doing that again) to stop her, and he was arrested for domestic violence.  She even told the cops that he never touched her.  They had 2 weeks to not only restart everything, but to also have the trial after they dropped the charges.  They were still sending subpoenas out to his wife in that short timeframe, even though it was unrealistic to have a trial scheduled.  Once the fucks decide somebody is guilty, that's it, they're going to turn the screws. 


Not as bad as yours nc551, but it does show the same mentality. 

nc551's picture

I have no respect for the police any longer.   I've had 3 minor traffic violations in the last 6 years since this and on the first one they asked me to get out of my car (which since then i've protested and gotten away with it) and sit in the passenger seat of their car.  I watched them go through 7 pages of my past charges.  They aren't quite sure how to deal with me since I'm always carrying a gun and have no convictions on my record and am a super respectful uptight dick to them now.  I have straight up told them it is 'With all due respect, none of your business, and if i'm not being detained I'd like to go on my way.'  I get the sense they are afraid to mess with me because I appear untouchable due to this crap.

El Vaquero's picture

Yes, beating them at their own game does help with the fear factor.  You learn how to work the system.  The problem is that knowing how to work the system is beyond most people, and they don't have that big win on their records. They know how to deal with the average sheep, but not somebody who can and will fuck them, and that fucking will be very legal like.

DaveyJones's picture

that's what happens. Once you're on their MDT terminals with any kind of arrest record, the game is over. They take the attitude that the courts are insane and if they arrested you, you only got off by luck or a good attorney. the first criminal database records were maintained by local police on paper at the turn of the century so they trust that reality over any other.

I take the theory that the NSA bits are not only the ulitmate criminal database, it's a database that can be MADE into a criminal one by associating any link on any website you visit to anything criminal. One of Snowden's recent releases was a database that captures millions of texts and the program title is literally "just in case"

There are a few older cops who have seen enough and have enough brains to know reality but they're rare. Even their own internal discipline records are self serving and designed to be deceptive -like the military that they model. We had an incredible case about two years ago with a state trooper who, after a good comb through his records, is a dangerous psychotic who likes to run motorcyclists off the road and stick guns in peoples faces for no reason whatsoever or, literally, for asking directions . But the fine details were kept close with the judge going through them in an "in camera" review only to decide what we can see. Our client's case was dismissed (he was trying to run them off the road as well) but the prosecutors made a very deceptive public statement and he is on the road as we speak.  

New World Chaos's picture

The Feds have given directives, with strings attached, to the local cops.  They must arrest the male whenever there is a domestic issue, regardless of whether he was at fault or whether there was even a crime.  Then the system grinds him (and the kids) to dust.  This is one of the NWO's attacks on the family.  It is implemented at the Federal level by useful-idiot feminazis. 

A father burned himself on the steps of a courthouse over this.  His name was Thomas Ball.  His manifesto is long but worth a read: It is about "the second set of books", i.e. the web of de facto secret laws used to destroy honest people, and how the second set of books is part of a high-level conspiracy to destroy families.