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"World's Strongest Cyclone Ever" Slams Philippines With 200 MPH Winds

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If last year it was the East Coast's turn to suffer a freak super storm, this year it is the already battered Philippines, which suffered a 7.2 magnitude earthquake last month, turn as Super Typhoon Haiyan, the equivalent of a Category 5 hurricane, slammed into the Philippines today after forcing thousands of people to evacuate. With sustained winds of 315 kph (195 mph) and gusts as strong as 380 kph (235 mph), Haiyan was probably the strongest tropical cyclone to hit land anywhere in the world in recorded history. "If it maintains its strength, there has never been a storm this strong making landfall anywhere in the world,” said Jeff Masters, founder of Weather Underground in Ann Arbor, Michigan. “This is off the charts.” Not taking chances, the local government has ordered over 125,000 people from 22 provinces to evacuate.

But while luckily human lives will be saved, little else may be. As Bloomberg reports, "Haiyan may inundate rivers, create mudflows and cause storm surges as high as 6 meters (20 feet), Aquino said. Three air force cargo planes, 2 navy ships, helicopters and relief boats are on standby, the president said. About 78,000 families were evacuated in Albay province, Governor Joey Salceda said on his Facebook account. Masters said Tacloban, the capital of the Philippine province of Leyte, would take a direct hit and winds of at least 130 mph may sweep as far as 100 miles inland. “There isn’t much built on the Philippines that can withstand winds like that,” Masters said.

Moments ago Bloomberg just blasted that up to half of the island chain's sugar cane may be destroyed as a result of the Typhoon, which will wreak havoc on logistic and supply chains globally across numerous commodities. However, it is the human damange that is the biggest threat.

Heavy rains from storms usually cause the highest death tolls on the Philippines, Masters said. Flooding may not be the worst threat this time because Haiyan is moving fairly fast. The high winds and storm surge have the potential to cause catastrophic damage, he said.

 

“We’re swamped with calls for help,” Southern Leyte Governor Roger Mercado said in an interview over DZMM radio. Strong wings uprooted trees in the province, he said.

 

About 2,000 passengers, 50 vessels and 557 rolling cargoes are now stranded in various seaports, the disaster agency said today. Cebu Air Inc. (CEB), the nation’s largest budget carrier, canceled 122 domestic flights and 4 international flights from today to Nov. 9, it said yesterday. Philippine Airlines Inc., in its Facebook account, said 26 local flights and three international flights have been canceled today.

Putting the size of the storm in perspective: "Haiyan was so large in diameter that at one point, its clouds were affecting two-thirds of the country, which stretches more than 1,850 kilometers (1,150 miles). Tropical-storm-force winds extended 240 kilometers from the typhoon's center.

The wide angle shot below by EUMETSAT shows just how massive the typhoon truly is:

In short a record superstorm:

The true power of Haiyan isn’t known because reconnaissance planes haven’t flown into it, Masters said. The strongest tropical cyclone on record was Super Typhoon Nancy in 1961 with top winds of 215 mph. He said many believe the estimated wind speeds of storms between the 1940s to 1960s was too high.

 

Since 1969, only three storms have been as powerful as Haiyan, Masters wrote on his blog. They were Super Typhoon Tip in 1979 in the Pacific and Atlantic hurricanes Camille in 1969 and Allen in 1980.

 

The strongest storm to hit land was Camille, which went ashore in Mississippi with winds near 195 mph, Master said. While there are some estimates that Camille’s winds were closer to 200 mph, the exact speed is unknown because the instruments were destroyed, according to the U.S. National Hurricane Center.

This is just the beginning. After it is done with the Philippines, Haiyan is expected to strike Vietnam in several days, according to the Japanese Meteorological Agency.  “It is going to be a huge problem for Vietnam and Laos,” Masters said. As much as a foot of rain may fall there, he said.

If there is a silver lining to all the imminent destruction and tragedy, it is that Q4 GDP in the region will be off the charts. Just as Krugman.

Below is CNN with a video summary on the ground.

 

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Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:40 | 4134540 SilverIsKing
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We need one of those in DC.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:45 | 4134549 CH1
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Best wishes to everyone with relatives in the area.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:49 | 4134563 Bearhug Bernanke
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Oh no, Walmart's supply chain will be ruined.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:50 | 4134566 mvsjcl
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Imagine if landfall was Fukushima <shiver>.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:27 | 4134661 1stepcloser
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No worries the shacks needed new tin roofs anyway.... 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:13 | 4134942 Troll Magnet
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Krugman just came.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:23 | 4135011 kralizec
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Ditto!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:47 | 4134556 dontgoforit
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The earthquake in DC a few years ago was a warning shot.  Next time will be bad.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:10 | 4134609 Billy Sol Estes
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Global warming hurricanes cause earthquakes: fact. The Debate is Over

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:24 | 4134647 DOT
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Glad that's settled.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 13:31 | 4135750 StacksOnStacks
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Momma said Hurricanes are caused by farts from eating too much candy.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:24 | 4134651 adr
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What would be amazing is to see a Cat5 head straight for DC with every model predicting landfall in a non election year.

What would be the odds of a miraculous course correction?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:26 | 4134655 knukles
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100%

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:41 | 4134743 j0nx
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I mean seriously when you think about how lucky that guy has been at every level and how everything always seems to go his way it really makes you wonder if he isn't the devil. Scary times.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:07 | 4134914 Flakmeister
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Its actually Voo-doo... but he wasn't as blessed as Reagan, Nancy's astrology mojo was pretty awesome...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:47 | 4135364 Svendblaaskaeg
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"Global warming hurricanes cause earthquakes: fact. The Debate is Over"

Read the IPCC Special Report on Extremes again..

A Handy Bullshit Button on Disasters and Climate Change:

http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.dk/2012/03/handy-bullshit-button-on-disast...

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 15:33 | 4136343 Flakmeister
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You are too thick to even realize that you got poe'd....

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:40 | 4134742 el Gallinazo
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That was triggered by Pennsylvania fracking.  Pumping all that K-Y into the plates and you get an orgasm now and then.  Soon they will be measuring orgasms on the Richter scale.  Everyone will want a 9.5.  MS-NBC will merge with youporn.com.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:49 | 4134564 Oldwood
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We have the worlds largest economic typhoon and its called "Obama". The eye is stationary over DC and a giant sucking sound is vacuuming up all of the worlds wealth.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 12:42 | 4135569 Flakmeister
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 You spelt Bush wrong...

Not that Obama is any great shake....

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 13:30 | 4135747 Smiley
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Me thinks an astroid about half a mile arcoss would be better suited.

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:45 | 4134548 Sudden Debt
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1. Shallow seas => Check

2. Warm and rising temperatures => Check

3. Geography is mostly flat land => Check

LET'S DO THIS EVERY YEAR FROM NOW ON!!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:48 | 4134557 rum_runner
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Don't think the US isn't going to have to host nastier storms moving forward.  The amplitude keeps swinging both ways.  This year has had the lowest number of hurricanes on record.  Let's see what next year brings.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:57 | 4134586 negative rates
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Better yet, lets rebuild and make sure it never happens again.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:09 | 4134608 CPL
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Build on a nice flat flood plain.  That's always safe.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:11 | 4134611 Billy Sol Estes
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Insurances companies are racist for denying coverage for people living in the flood plain!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:05 | 4136673 Parrotile
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Not a Brisbane resident? They found out the hard way that maybe flood plains DO flood occasionally!!

(Then the rest of us had to bail them out via the National Flood Levy!)

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:09 | 4134606 Billy Sol Estes
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Lets build more shit in the storm surge zone and 10-yr flood plain, insure it by Government Flood Insurance, and then blame global warming when the next storm comes.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:44 | 4134767 Manthong
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Better yet, prime locations in Amsterdam and New Orleans..

Way smart to build below sea level.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:50 | 4135141 GMadScientist
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Yeah, I'm sure they really hated being port cities for the last couple hundred years; it really held them back.

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 13:36 | 4135757 Manthong
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Cool.. the economics trump soundness - again.

..whatever floats the boat.

and Houston.. how are you liking all of that economical migration nowadays?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:45 | 4134550 Counterfiat
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Very scary sitting in the path of that, I had a cat 5 headed our way once and it turned about 8 hrs before landfall.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:03 | 4134893 akarc
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Pensacola?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:46 | 4135114 Counterfiat
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Queensland Australia

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:14 | 4136714 Parrotile
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Been there, seen it, done it. Cyclone Larry (Cat 5), March 2006. Holidaying in Cairns. The impact point was further south (Innisfail) but Cairns Harbour was quite an experience.

Caused a major problem with Bananas - went from $1.50 / kg to $10 ++ / kg!

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:47 | 4134551 remain calm
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We never had storms like this until Obama was elected. Coicidence?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:54 | 4134574 GetZeeGold
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Probably.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:43 | 4134764 Ruffcut
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Still think it's bush's fault. Maybe even the clintons. Super storm hillary coming soon, bitchezz.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:55 | 4134576 TrulyStupid
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I think not.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:47 | 4134554 Sudden Debt
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OH MY GOD!!! NOT THE SUGAR CANE!!!!!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:48 | 4134558 dontgoforit
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Long Domino.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:51 | 4134569 GMadScientist
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Long HFCS.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:14 | 4134579 GetZeeGold
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Long above sea level storm cellars....at least 50 feet or you're going surfing.

 

No...I don't know what that is in meters.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:18 | 4134630 Marco
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Some miters near a foot, so lets just say 50 miters.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:24 | 4134646 GMadScientist
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16 and a smidge (technical term).

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:05 | 4134900 Flakmeister
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1 smidge = 3 C-hairs...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:09 | 4134928 GMadScientist
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"...on my chinny chin chin." ;)

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:32 | 4135056 FrankDrakman
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1 smidge = 3 C-hairs = 79 RCH

As engineering students all know, the RCH is the finest degree of physical measurement noticeable to the human eye.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:52 | 4135155 GMadScientist
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Redheads are an alien cross-breeding program.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:20 | 4134993 Vigilante
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15 m.

Jokes aside,I feel sorry for Pinoys...

Everything is so flimsily built there..there will be carnage.

God bless you all

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:59 | 4134871 Jumbotron
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Long Monsanto......short Life

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:31 | 4135051 FrankDrakman
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"First, you get the sugar. Then, you get the power."

- Homer J. Simpson

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5BmrPkgYeA

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:40 | 4135343 RafterManFMJ
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I just bought 5000 nutra-sweet futures!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:49 | 4134561 GMadScientist
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Send MacArthur!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:33 | 4134694 starfcker
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hard to describe one of those things to someone who's never been through one. pretty dicey stuff. and it takes a long time to get things back to normal. the fact that this one has the wind strength of an f-5 tornado at it's center and is about the size of texas is a really nasty combination. pray for those people. they're going to need it.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:43 | 4134750 Urban Redneck
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I'll pray for everyone EXCEPT the propaganda/attention-whores on TV who need an outdoor shot while spouting BS about "safe" when facing 200 mph winds - May their asses be raped on live TV by telephone poles flying at 200mph.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:03 | 4134891 GMadScientist
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"Pray towards heaven, but row towards shore." - Islamic proverb

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:41 | 4135092 Hippocratic Oaf
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That's right, starfcker.

having gone through Andrew, this shit ain't no joke.

Also went through the storm surge motherfucker that was Sandy. not big winds, but h2o everywhere

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:50 | 4134567 More_sellers_th...
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Shit... I was pissed I lost power for 11 days last year.  Something tells me these people are going to be hurting for a while after this.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:19 | 4134600 Oldwood
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We take much for granted but when the SHTF we gain some perspective. To truly prepare for the worst changes your lifestyle and most are not willing to pay that cost. We see so many who choose to live in coastal areas and those prone to earthquakes as they seem to prefer the lifestyle over the risks. Most in the Phillipines didn't choose their location but find themselves right in the middle of earthquake and storm risks nonetheless. We should all be praying for them, Krugman's broken window theories not withstanding.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:27 | 4136774 Parrotile
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When you have to rely on your own power generation you start to take "contingency measures" very seriously, and you ignore Manufacturers' claims of "hurricane resistant", instead making sure your assets are easily and rapidly removable "in case of emergency"!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:18 | 4134977 Sudden Debt
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DON'T WORRY!!!

MOST OF THEM DON'T HAVE POWER TO START WITH!!! :)

 

no really, last time I was in Cambodja there was also a big storm and water levels rose 3 meters. These people didn't really looked that bothered. Shit happens and than you rebuild. And most of them don't have anything that is broken when it's 3 meters below the water.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 08:57 | 4134583 Billy Sol Estes
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"Slams Philipines"

Hope it wore protection over there

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:03 | 4134591 Billy Sol Estes
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The filipinos were targeted for not paying enough taxes for the AGW slush fund.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:05 | 4134596 agNau
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Next phase begins.
Climate change & executive orders in hand.
Behold the proof.

Follow the bouncing ball.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:18 | 4134628 adr
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Exactly, Obama slipping in the polls and a hurricane with almost no model predicting landfall does a right angle turn weeks before the election and gives the poser in chief a chance to look presidential and walk arm to arm with a supposed conservative savior.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:23 | 4134645 GMadScientist
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I'm gonna bet that when you die the planet will either be facing the sun or facing away.

Gee, ya think behavior like this might be why it's difficult to model non-linear systems in the first place, Sparky?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:00 | 4134877 Flakmeister
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You clearly live in some bubble of made up shit...

The European model, recognized as the best, predicted a NJ landfall when Sandy was south of Cuba....

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/moderatestrength-noreaster-may-hit-sandydevastated-areas-wednesday

Another reason the ECMWF model got it right was they have the most powerful computers. The NHC used to have best, but that is another story...

SO take your bullshit and ignorance elsewhere...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:54 | 4135163 Colonel Jessup
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Please take YOUR ignorance and bullshit elsewhere

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:06 | 4135221 Flakmeister
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You seem to have a very hard time dealing with facts...

Why don;t you join the circle jerk at WUWT and leave the heavy lifting to those that can...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:08 | 4134604 Hobbleknee
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So many broken windows.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:12 | 4134614 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Somewhere in the distance Krugman was heard cursing under his breath why couldn't the storm have slammed the USA it would have been bullish for GDP and employment.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:16 | 4134622 GetZeeGold
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Send Krugman.....if he can stop this disaster, he totally deserves his Nobel Prize.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:14 | 4134617 adr
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So the tribe put the HAARP into overdrive because somebody at Goldman lost their ass in sugar futures?

Odd that the superstorms happened at the exact same time. Almost like Tesla's earthquake device creating harmonics to shake a building to the ground.

Monsanto pissed because people are turning away from GMO HFCS?

If paper sugar contracts explode higher, corporations will be forced to use HFCS.

I like how they are trying to make it seem like this storm is like nothing ever seen, yet there have been many storms close to it over the past few hundred years.

There is no longer any conspiracy. All is possible in today's manipulated world. Even crab people coming from deep in the earth to take over the bodies of those in Congress sounds plausible.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:17 | 4134623 LawsofPhysics
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Great another metrosexual fucktard...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:21 | 4134636 adr
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What I can't make conspiracy jokes with a little hint of truth.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:24 | 4134649 1stepcloser
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So ur saying the Philippines said no to buying treasuries? 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:31 | 4134678 LawsofPhysics
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Exactly what I was thinking.  No one apparently has a sense of humor or sarcasm any more...

Everyone is so easily offended these days, fuck em.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:01 | 4134878 Flakmeister
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He actually believes that bullshit though....

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:44 | 4134768 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Sarcasm translates about as well as a college degree does to a good paying job on the internet these day.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:18 | 4134626 Oldwood
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So you are saying congress has .....crabs....??? It could explain a lot.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:30 | 4134673 knukles
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Reptiles. Oft confused during the momentary shape shifting

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:21 | 4134639 GMadScientist
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Did HAARP cause the Tacoma Narrows bridge too, oh yee who are so obviously bereft of even the slightest clue?

You make raving homeless people look like they really have their lives together.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:31 | 4134677 knukles
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No, that was Messiah Stompyfoot having a fit about someone talking behind his back

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:06 | 4134907 GMadScientist
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With apostles like these, who needs apostates?

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:15 | 4134619 Incubus
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if only they could devise a way to get boatloads of fiat to the eye, we could create a super liquidicane and solve the world's debts problems!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:16 | 4134621 LawsofPhysics
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"What's that?   Fuck me?!?!  No, no no, Fuck You!!!"

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:22 | 4134640 1stepcloser
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Prepare to be blown!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:25 | 4134652 Chaos_Theory
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I am a volunteer to go and help those poor Fillipina ladies as the storm passes. 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:26 | 4134653 22winmag
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God is pissed at the goo-goos for all the fishing they do with dynamite.

 

If they used rod and reel this wouldn't be happening.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:29 | 4134671 OldE_Ant
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Looks like all that hot air over Washington D.C. in the last few weeks moved east today swirling over Asia causing a psycoclone.

Don't worry by tomorrow the FED will print new homes, blankets, food, cars, fresh water, people and everything will be fine.

In other news a law passed that dogs are allowed to sleep with cats, and yesterdays ok transfats are now todays bad transfats, and scientists are stumped at Antartic ice reaching the highest measured amount this year.

Mayor Bloomberg and other politicians to offer more hot air on these subjects as soon as it politically suits them. 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:56 | 4134853 Ruffcut
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New law about cats with dogs? Shit, now I'll have a another pissed off pussy in the house. Bastards!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:22 | 4135006 Flakmeister
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Re: the Ice, actually they aren't stumped, it was predicted by some that Sea Ice extent would increase slightly...

eg. this from 2008

 http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14724-antarctic-sea-ice-increases-despite-warming.html#.UnzzI3Csgdo

Moreover, the Antarctic land mass is losing ice, fast:

http://www.skepticalscience.com/antarctica-gaining-ice-intermediate.htm

Nice try though.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:01 | 4135139 Colonel Jessup
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the only facts that exist about "global warming" is the fact that it does not exist, and is, in fact, a propaganda tool used by shills like you to bring in "controls' that will curb "emissions' -but are in fact meant to shut down the global economy little by little, until we get to the point where only the largest crony corporate interests are exempt from the regulations - and they then control everyone and everything.

If you truly believe carbon - the basic building block for all life on the planet - is pollution that is destroying the planet, then you and everyone who shares your view should go live in a commune and leave the rest of us with cognitative ability in peace.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:13 | 4135207 Flakmeister
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Wow, you are one deluded puppy...

I count at least 3 strawmen you created...

For shits and giggles, what the last month where global temperatures were less than the 20th century average? Here let me google that for you

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=last+below+20th+century+average+month

Explain why every decade since 1950 has been warmer than the previous one

http://www.wmo.int/pages/mediacentre/press_releases/pr_976_en.html

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 12:00 | 4135408 Trimmed Hedge
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I will if you explain why the earth was much warmer tens of millions of years ago (i.e., dinosaur age) than it is today...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 12:19 | 4135485 Flakmeister
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What were C02 levels then compared to now?

There is your answer...

Oh, BTW, only mammels the size of shrews could survive at the prevailing temperatures back them....

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 12:17 | 4135482 TradingTroll
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WTF? Here I am just reading about a tropical storm and then I actually have to start thinking about who to down-arrow because they launch into the global warming crap.

 

The magnetic north pole is now in siberia. Many scientists say that will cause changes to arctic ice patterns.

 

But I know you global warming types too well. Over dinner, you scream at me "we're all going to die"!

 

Then when I say "Fukushima"? and look quizzically into your vacant eyes. The reply is "Whats that?"

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 12:22 | 4135494 Flakmeister
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Could you provide any credible link to your assertion about the magnetic north and arctic ice?

Or is this another case of simply making shit up...

Given this 

http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/geomag/GeomagneticPoles.shtml

I think we all know the answer...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:58 | 4135182 GMadScientist
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Envision a slushie sitting in the sun...yes, it covers more area, but that doesn't make it long for this world.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:31 | 4134676 Seasmoke
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I guess no collection calls for a few days.....

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:39 | 4134732 The Wedge
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No doubt about it, this storm was caused by global warming. The science is in. This is incontrovertible proof. More than 6000 peer reviewed papers confirming man caused global warming and zero, goose eggs against. Forget the fact that it has been cooling, someone just accidentally hit the pause button. And of course we know that the scientific method is make the results fit the theory confirming the hypothesis.

I mean really folks, what do we need a tweet from the sky wizard confirming what we already know. Al Gore says it's true. Sec State John Kerry says it's true. Hell, every Hollywood actor says it's true. What more do you people need?

Any activation of the readers BS detector is hoped for and purely intentional. Guaranteed not to rip, tear or smell bad in hot weather unless it does.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:24 | 4135017 FrankDrakman
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You should be posting at 'accreditedtimes.com'

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:44 | 4135103 Colonel Jessup
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you forgot to press the sarc button before submitting that post - but an up arrow for you anyway.....

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:00 | 4135194 GMadScientist
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Only a complete and utter fucktard could look at the graph of ocean temperature over time and then mention the word cooling with a straight face.

 

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 12:00 | 4135407 MayIMommaDogFac...
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Show me the part where the heat starts getting clever and 'hiding' away in the depths of the oceans where it is hard-to-measure.

Seriously -- this is a 'phenomenon' that I would to hear an explanation of.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 12:24 | 4135499 Flakmeister
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If you were so curious, 30 seconds would find you this

http://www.skepticalscience.com/modeled-and-observed-ohc-is-there-a-discrepancy.html

But we all know that you have no interest in reality....

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:15 | 4136721 The Wedge
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Oh so now you want to point to oceans as the evidence for warming. Air temps aren't convenient for you right now. Well, congratulations on understanding that oceans handle the heat budget for the planet, not air. That said, I have no idea what graph you mention. You do know that the ocean temps go up and down. You do understand that when oceans heat, ocean levels rise. Molecules expand....Ocean levels right now are down. One year they're up half an inch, next they are down.

You'll always be reaching trying to make real conditions fit your hypothesis. Climate will not cooperate. For example: this is neither an el nino year or la nino. Which is unusual. What does this mean? The equatorial region where el nino is associated is neither too warm or too cold. Does it signal some longer global trend? Unknown.

Climate is a very complex set of systems and we don't fully understand how they interact. Models have been stunningly wrong. Garbage in garbage out. Conditions don't fit accepted theory. Like C02 levels up, temps down. A neutral el nino. The list go's on. There is more than enough evidence to make me skeptical of AGW. And science is all about skepticism. You can call people names and make leaps all you want; I'll stick to science.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:44 | 4136845 Parrotile
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Climate changes. It has been changing since long before any life was possible on this planet, and will continue to change long after conditions for life as we currently know it cease to exist (as they will).

One thing that has amazed me over the months - the lack of "blame" on the Country that started the Industrial Revolution - Britain. With all the "anti British" posters who frrequent ZH (and seem to blame the City of London for the World's financial problems!!) I'd have thought this would have been an easy target, but maybe they are to dumb to make the connection!

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 14:51 | 4136130 AurorusBorealus
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Maybe God is angry and is sending a message... never will believe that though will you?  You will believe any sort of drivel with the word science attached to it.. you will believe that a single variable, such as the burning of fossil fuels, has a dramatic effect on the entire habitable surface of the planet independent of the millions of other variables (sun surface temperature, solar activity, geothermic activity.... to name just a few).  Go on and believe what you want, and I will believe what I want... just remember, I haven´t proposed placing a religious tax on you, so I have no financial incentive for my beliefs, though maybe we Christians should begin promoting exactly this.. .makes a lot more sense than carbon taxes.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:17 | 4136729 The Wedge
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Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 17:56 | 4136882 Parrotile
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Maybe it's not your"God" who is angry. It might be any one (or more) of the myriad of "True Gods" worshipped by our species over the millenia. These Gods were just as "real" to their worshippers as yours is to you. There is really no difference.

We've been lucky to experience a period of relative stability (similar to the 400+ years of stability experienced by the Egyptians during the reign of the Old Kingdom). Maybe we're now experiencing a period of relative instability, to which we will have to adapt. 

If we as a species are as "smart" as we think we are, we should be able to adapt. If we cannot adapt, then maybe we're not that smart after all, and we're heading for extinction. Looking around right now, I tend to back the latter outcome.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:42 | 4134755 LeisureSmith
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The global climate change racket racket doesn't like competition from the global sex/organ change racket so they had to strike first.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 09:51 | 4134818 Croesus
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<--Hopes for the survival, safety, and well-being of the people in the storm's path. 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:00 | 4134876 akarc
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Global warming is indeed a fact. However considering the laughable amount of time and money spent trying to determine the next rock to blind side us from the sun side it may be an issue we will not have to worry about.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:03 | 4134889 Flakmeister
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That involves Science, which is not a strong point of the House of Reps (where all new funding must originate)....

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:07 | 4134913 GMadScientist
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Funny. I thought it originated at Exxon and Shell. ;)

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:08 | 4134919 overmedicatedun...
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flak, the idiot sooth sayer of AGW," see see AL gore and I were right, and it's your F150's fault."

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:23 | 4135012 Flakmeister
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Come again, you appear to be babbling...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:55 | 4135169 GMadScientist
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You know, for all of their "John Galt" nonsense, it wouldn't take a large number of nuke plant workers walking away to let them really know how much energy they consume, but they'd just cough through the brown skies and burn more coal in their abject ignorance.

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:41 | 4135093 Colonel Jessup
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Global warming has been thoroughly debunked - please get with reality. If you still believe in that fallacy, then there is no hope for you.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:27 | 4135248 Flakmeister
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What a nasty little troll we seem to have found...

I notice that you have not provided a shred of evidence to support your delusions...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:06 | 4134911 Smiley
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"If last year it was the East Coast's turn to suffer a freak super storm..."

 A category 3 huricane is not a "freak super storm."  

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 18:21 | 4135015 Flakmeister
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When the windfield reaches from the Atlantic to Lake Michigan it is...

Edit: From

http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/hurricane-sandys-huge-size-freak-of-nature-or-climate-change

Hurricane Sandy was truly astounding in its size and power. At its peak size, twenty hours before landfall, Sandy had tropical storm-force winds that covered an area nearly one-fifth the area of the contiguous United States. Since detailed records of hurricane size began in 1988, only one tropical storm (Olga of 2001) has had a larger area of tropical storm-force winds, and no hurricanes has. Sandy's area of ocean with twelve-foot seas peaked at 1.4 million square miles--nearly one-half the area of the contiguous United States, or 1% of Earth's total ocean area. Most incredibly, ten hours before landfall (9:30 am EDT October 30), the total energy of Sandy's winds of tropical storm-force and higher peaked at 329 terajoules--the highest value for any Atlantic hurricane since at least 1969. This is 2.7 times higher than Katrina's peak energy, and is equivalent to five Hiroshima-sized atomic bombs. At landfall, Sandy's tropical storm-force winds spanned 943 miles of the the U.S. coast. No hurricane on record has been wider; the previous record holder was Hurricane Igor of 2010, which was 863 miles in diameter. Sandy's huge size prompted high wind warnings to be posted from Chicago to Eastern Maine, and from Michigan's Upper Peninsula to Florida's Lake Okeechobee--an area home to 120 million people. Sandy's winds simultaneously caused damage to buildings on the shores of Lake Michigan at Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore, and toppled power lines in Nova Scotia, Canada--locations 1200 miles apart!

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:34 | 4135067 Bawneee Fwank
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Im just waiting for the tits on a stick weather girl who will brave the storm and give us live coverage of it making landfall...Any takers?

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:57 | 4135176 GMadScientist
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She blew away and we lost the cameraman leashed to her mic; you're gonna need to settle for a woman with a lower CG...300lb 4'8".

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:49 | 4135097 Mongoose
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I've been through a few hurricanes. Never a Cat 5, because you don't mess around with Cat 4's & 5's.

In the states, if you get hurt (physically) by a hurricane it's usually your fault for leaving too late. (Financially hurt? Well, you pays your flood insurance and you takes your chances.)

For the poor folks in the P.I. who will likely see complete devastation of their homes, yes, pray for them. And maybe a check to the Red Cross.

 

 

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Fri, 11/08/2013 - 10:45 | 4135105 proLiberty
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The silver lining is all the money spent on replacing broken windows?

Keynesian Krap!

see: The Broken Window, from That Which is Seen, and That Which is Not Seen by Frederic Bastiat, 1850

http://bastiat.org/en/twisatwins.html#broken_window

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 11:04 | 4135206 GMadScientist
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Ah yes, now we get to watch the conservatives argue both for and against a steady-state for eternity (if it's a Keynesian effect, it's bad, but we can rape the planet for resources forever without consequence otherwise, as long as it's being done lovingly by capitalists).

 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 12:04 | 4135425 wahrheit
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Masters just has to put his global warming bias in there.  As soon as he started casting doubt on the wind measurement instruments for the past cyclones listed as slightly stronger than Haiyan I started to roll my eyes.

Don't forget what the historical Weather Underground was.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 12:38 | 4135538 Flakmeister
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Did you actually read how the Hurricane measurement techniques have changed over the years? 

Naw, that would require actual interest on your part not just a desire to spew self-righteous snark...

BTW, where did he mention GW in the article? 

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 12:24 | 4135497 Voicefather
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OMG in 200 years of recorded history versus 15+ million years of unrecorded Pacific activity, this is the worst storm we have seen!!!111 Clearly there is a trend of worsening storms and there is a 99% scientific consensus! /sarc

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 12:35 | 4135516 Flakmeister
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You said it, it the worst storm to make landfall we have seen

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

BTW, nice avatar....

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 15:05 | 4136219 Voicefather
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Just girding my loins for the inevitable storm of lies that this is proof of global warming.

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 15:28 | 4136317 Flakmeister
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Well, given that no reputable observer will make that claim you will be girded for a long time....

That being said, I have no doubt that there will excitable types that will make moronic claims to that effect, in some ways, no worse than the fucktards who claim BHO is Marxist Kenyan Muslim...

Fri, 11/08/2013 - 13:00 | 4135637 americanspirit
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A category six has already devastated the US mainland - Hurricane Obama. Total destruction, chaos, and human misery. Recovery is likely to take decades, if ever. It was the largest hurricane in history to strike the US - hurricane force winds extending from DC to California. Only The Hamptons and West Palm Beach miraculously escaped destruction.

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