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Iran Nuclear Programme Deal Fails Due To French Block: New Saudi-French Alliance Emerging?

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While most pragmatists knew well in advance that optimism over an Iran nuclear programme deal emerging out of Geneva was very much displaced, few anticipated what the actual reason for the failure would be. Indeed, most had expected that the staunchest opponent to the deal, Israel PM Netanyahu who moments ago appeared on Face the Nation and made his case (saying Iran would have given up "almost nothing") would have used his influence over the US as a key member of the 5+1 group of nations (US, Russia, China, France, Britain and Iran) to block any Iranian detente with the US, even though none other than John Kerry has been urging for the Iranian deal for weeks. So when news hit that it was France who had scuttled a deal with a last minute block, many were surprised.

FT reports:

“There was a possibility to reach an agreement with the majority of 5+1 but there was a need to have the consent of all and as you have heard . . . one of the delegations had some problems,” Mohammad Javad Zarif said in a Facebook post referring to the six nations involved in the talks – the US, Russia, China, France, Britain and Iran. Three days of intense negotiations in Geneva, which went into early Sunday morning, failed to produce an interim agreement over Iran’s nuclear programme despite earlier optimistic predictions.

 

France appeared to be concerned that the proposal, which involved Tehran halting key parts of its nuclear programme in return for modest relief from tough international sanctions, did not apply the brakes hard enough on the country’s agenda.

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Iran’s negotiating team was blessed last week with the strong support of Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran’s supreme leader and ultimate decision maker, who urged hardliners not to weaken the diplomatic team during nuclear talks and said they were “children of the revolution”.

 

But the top leader’s official Twitter account on Sunday reposted his comments from a speech earlier this year in which he had condemned France’s alleged enmity toward Iran. “The officials of French government in recent years have shown explicit hostility toward the Iranian nation. This is a thoughtless and imprudent move,” the tweet said.

This means that once again the traditional narrative of Iran as an intransigent, obstinate negotiator falls apart, even if there had been an ulterior motive: the removal of Western sanctions against the improverished nation. So it will be up to the west to come up with yet another provocation that makes Iran seem like an irrational actor on the international arena.

However, a bigger questions arises: why did France break away from the US-led negotiating axis, just to side not only with Israel but with Saudi Arabia.

Many ordinary Iranians, including the reform-minded public and those educated in the west, expressed outrage at France and accused it of trying to appease Israel and Saudi Arabia, which have been against any nuclear deal that would give Iran the right to enrich uranium.

 

“French cars occupy Tehran’s streets but instead France stabs Iran in the back,” said Mina, a 32-year-old businesswoman.

 

France’s alliance with Saudi Arabia against Iran is nothing new and we had seen it during the Iran-Iraq war [1980-88] when the Saudis paid France to give fighter bombers and missiles to Saddam [Hussein] to kill us,” said Narges, a university student of politics.

 

“We should boycott French fries and baguettes in a symbolic move,” said Mahdi, an electric engineer.

 

Even Iran’s hardliners who are in principle against any deal attacked France. Fars news agency, close to the elite Revolutionary Guards, ran a headline: “Tough negotiations in Geneva and a French gun-wielding frog.”

Which should at least partially answer the nagging question about who it is that Saudi Arabia has picked to fill the diplomatic void in the aftermath of the deterioration in relations between the oil-rich nation and the US.

Then again, a Saudi Arabia alligned with a France, which by implication is now operating against US interests should result in some truly comic events in the international diplomacy arena very soon. We can't wait to find out just how Hollande's socialist government proceeds to entertain the world with its foreign policy foibles.

Finally, for those who missed it, here is Netanyahu earlier today saying "no deal is better than a bad deal."

 

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Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:27 | 4140448 screw face
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Nuclear is forever

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:54 | 4140507 Headbanger
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Yeah... One nuclear bomb can ruin your whole day..

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:13 | 4140561 max2205
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Let there be peace though out the land

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:22 | 4140581 Gringo Viejo
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US foreign policy today is a total clusterfuck.
These people are fucking children.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:31 | 4140604 NoDebt
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"I think we should boycott french fries..."

Tried that.  Didn't work.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:36 | 4140612 Stackers
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Boycott all french fries !!!!

I now only eat pommes frites !

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:40 | 4140807 quintago
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Blame this guy.... bernard-henry levy. Look him up.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:05 | 4140859 lineskis
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Keep in mind that the pipeline the Saudis want to go through Syria is also a Qatari pipeline. And the Qatari have made massive investement in France, up to the point that the Qatari citizen residing in France are allowed to not pay the wealth tax that applies to any other resident, be they French or foreign citizen residing in France.

Remember that the Fench were strong supporters of a military operation in Syria.

So a Saudi/Qatari/French alliance just gets confirmed every passing day...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:26 | 4140910 hansg
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Keep in mind that it was France that _wanted_ the islamisation of Europe, through a strong European-Arabian axis, as a counterweight to US superiority. France is in bed with Saudi-Arabia, and always has been.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:46 | 4140942 lineskis
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Yep.

France was also in Bed with Sadam in Irak, as Total and Elf (French Oil companies), were getting sweet (crude) deals (pardon the pun). And while war was bad in Irak (cf. De Villepin speech in the UN, asking to not have any military intervention there), it's oh so necessary in Syria.

So war was bad for civilian in Irak but necessary for civilian in Syria. Brilliant...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 19:15 | 4141369 Analyse2
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- You probably have forgotten that the French participated in 1991 to the 1st coalition against Saddam, when he invaded Koweit. The second largest European contingent was from France, which committed 18,000 troops.  

- For the 2nd war in 2003, the Bush regime lied and fabricated "evidence" that was used to deceive Congress, the American people, and the United Nations. At the time that these absurd claims were being made, only experts knew that they were false. Today everyone knows that the claims were lies, and that the French were right NOT to participate to the “coalition” despite the hate they incurred in the US (the whole dumbass "french fries" , the “cheese-eating surrender monkeys” things, etc ...)

 

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:24 | 4141699 janus
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not that i disagree with anything you're saying, but janus thinks he stumbled onto something...

to wit: "...the french were right not to participate to the 'coalition' despite..."

it's that "to the coalition" part that snagged my attention.  this cannot be a typo (as the rest of your spelling is perfect -- or at least seems so).  moreover, your syntax is othewise immaculate (though subtly francophonic); to me, this sounds like the native speaker of a romantic tongue (i'm thinking french for some strange reason) structuring his thoughts in said native tongue, and then translating them into 'american' english..."a la" -- eh?..no?  methinks oui.

in america, we say "with the coalition" or you could've phrased it thusly: "contribute to the coaltion" and no one would've batted an eye (least of all janus)

but i'm paranoid these days...never know who's saying what and for whatever reason it's said...these days  

aye de mi...estos dias!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1N8GtDkYfQ

i stopped my rambling/

i don't do too much gambling these days/

these days i seem to think about/

how all the changes came about my ways/

and i wondered if i'd see another highway,

{which reminds me...just got my copy of RS -- Happy Trails, Lou; God bless you.  oh, btw, when you get to The Gate, keep a keen eye out; satan is known to dress in Peter's regalia these days...strange days indeed! most peculiar, momma!  great issue (as usual), jans w.; now, get on board before the wave washes over top of ya...surf's up, baby!}

i had a lover/

i don't think i'll risk another these days/

these days/

...ah-la-la-la-la/

i stopped my dreaming/

i don't do too much scheming these days/

...,

janus

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 16:31 | 4143494 Analyse2
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@Janus

Nice post, sweet song, smart deductions Dr. Holmes ...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:20 | 4142130 TBT or not TBT
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The second war had a goal of regime change. Not good for France, which had run up over 100 billion on receivables with saddams regime, and had all sorts of future business locked up.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 18:34 | 4141281 CPL
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How the hell did they get an agreement from a king that's breathing through a tube and hooked up to a dialysis machine?

King Abdullah been clinically dead for five months.  The house of Saud FELL, past tense.  It's done as dinner and a wildcard about to happen.  His son's are going to play the fun game of royal fratricide.  Can take that to the bank.  When it happens (<cough> happened twice already on rumour, the king was busy as Solomon).  Then watch the oil price.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:34 | 4141724 janus
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king?  bah!

two deaths were STRONGLY rumored (the rumors came from 'the kingdom') -- bandar & king abdullah.  now, we know that bandar is alive...we also know that bandar is intel chief...we furthermore know that bandar is, well, what the hell (doesn't do any good to say)...ipso facto, the 'king' and custodian of the two holy shrines is none other than (drumroll):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoklqunA16s

all hail...something.  awww,well, what the hail.

corruption?...so what,

janus

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:49 | 4140829 GMadScientist
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And you only eat long ones...with "Mayonnaise"!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:51 | 4140634 agent default
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Nah, just let them deal with the Germans all by themselves next time around. 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:22 | 4140582 AlaricBalth
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I think France just surrendered to Saudi Arabia.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:11 | 4140989 Peter Pan
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Are there two countries called France?
Or is it just my imagination that France was having a problem with its Muslim population and the way they dress?
Then again, if anyone thinks that France is being too difficult, just have some sympathy for the French people who have to put up with a stupid moron like Hollande.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:02 | 4140531 robertsgt40
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It was France's turn to cary water for Israel

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:04 | 4140538 icanhasbailout
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French are whores and Saudi is a rich john.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:37 | 4140647 Andrew Jackson ...
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Fabius is Super Sayan, the flying zionist

 

A must see about a french dissident :

Alain Soral denounces zionist Manuel Valls (French Minister of Interior) (EN sub)

http://youtu.be/vETmU3xW2Ro

 

http://frenchdissidents.wordpress.com/

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:12 | 4140991 Bokkenrijder
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Well, if Obama continues this way, then TPTB will finally get their big war in the Middle East, becauset there's nothing like a big war to wipe the out of control spiraling debt slate clean...and then start all over again!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:28 | 4140453 DeadFred
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I wonder what the NSA has on the French Prez. I bet it's good stuuf.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:38 | 4140473 TBT or not TBT
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Hollande is openly an immense fuckhead and the French are well aware of this.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:50 | 4140951 lineskis
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Indeed, but no one is putting it better than Mr. Farage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLLKaLrKtMs&t=30s

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:13 | 4140560 JustObserving
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"It wasn't the US government breaking into the private communications of former French President Nicolas Sarkozy, according to top secret documents unearthed by Edward Snowden and published in Le Monde – it was the Israelis. A four-page internal précis regarding a visit to Washington by two top French intelligence officials denies the NSA or any US intelligence agency was behind the May 2012 attempted break-in – which sought to implant a monitoring device inside the Elysee Palace's communications system – but instead fingers the Israelis, albeit indirectly. A few days back, Le Monde reported that the NSA Intercepted French Telephone Calls 'On a Massive Scale' ."

http://slashdot.org/story/13/10/28/1157201/israel-helped-the-nsa-spy-on-former-french-president-according-to-documents

Israeli spying on France means that Hollande is liable to be blackmailed by Israel and it is very opposed to the current deal with Iran.


Sun, 11/10/2013 - 20:15 | 4141530 Kirk2NCC1701
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It doesn't say much for French security apparatus or their tech, now does it, if the Israelis can play them like fools.

The French (men) need to be kicked in the nuts more often, purely to recalibrate their humility to their ability.

"La Grande Nation" my eye. More like a nation of coiffeured poodles.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:33 | 4140460 LetThemEatRand
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This whole episode has exposed how foreign interests -- most of whom are connected closely to banking interests and of course the MIC -- dictate U.S. foreign policy.  Ron Paul has it right.  Let these guys work it out themselves.  Not our fight, not our problem.   Iran is not going to nuke the U.S., and it is not even going to nuke Israel.  Nuclear weapons are a deterrent to invasion, not an offensive weapon (unless you desire your country to be reduced to radioactive rubble).  Iran's threat is its desire to use non-dollar currency for oil, which threatens the banking cartel including the Fed.  But try telling that to your average American who forgets the one country on earth that every actually used nuclear weapons offensively back before anyone else had them.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:55 | 4140504 Winston Churchill
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The Iraniians have had nukes since the early 1990's.

They aquired them on the black market during the Soviet collapse.

Every western intelligence agency knows it.

The pretence of stopping them develop them is hiding the

real sticking point in these negotiations.I can hardly see the Mullahs

agreeing to a Jewish controlled central bank.

This is all just kabuki theatre for the masses.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:56 | 4140512 Headbanger
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Until they pop one that is!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:08 | 4140539 Mike in GA
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@WChurchill

Surely you'll share your sources with us rather than the  sophomoric "every western intelligence agency knows it".

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:36 | 4140611 Winston Churchill
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Its so common knoledge that one ex spook even blurted it out on faux news

a month ago.Looked embarrassed as hell ,tried to walk it back, and couldn't.

I've been reading about it for years.Trouble is the sites get censored,like the

Pakistani one showing the sworn statements attesting to Osama's death in 2001,

made  by the attending medical staff.Poof, and its gone.

Still a lot of chatter around though discussing how many. nukes ,not if they got them.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:22 | 4140769 Anusocracy
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That's your news source?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:08 | 4140982 Winston Churchill
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Read my reply.I did not say that.

Unless you read Farsi or Russian my sources would not help you very  much.

I took screenshots of a lot of them before it was disappeared, but I cannot post those direct.

Wish I could.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:33 | 4140794 scraping_by
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Er, no.

Fox is intermingled with a Saudi prince's company, and tailors its news to his agenda.

http://shoebat.com/2013/04/25/a-contrast-a-saudi-princes-influence-on-fo...

Intellegence analyists you see on cable tend to be lobbyists. Or work for right wing think tanks. But I repeat myself.

And no one 'blurts out' anything on Fox. The last time they didn't control the guest, he broke them down as liars.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:56 | 4141904 Freddie
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All of TV and Hollywood is total shit.  If you watch TV then you are an idiot who supports the "system" with your viewership.

And yes there is Saudi money and influence in Fox but there is in every other network except CBS/Viacom.  The Saudis still have influence over them and Sumner Redstone because they decide who goes on the Middle Eastern satellites.  VH1 alone is on most islamic countries.  So all of TV is crap and morons watch it.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:26 | 4140593 Ignatius
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Netanyahoo would spew on himself if this 'thesis' were true.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:44 | 4140937 Running On Bing...
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Anti-semitism is starting to get out of control in the ME and Europe. We cannot let this happen in the Americas.

Repeat: Hitler was evil, I am, we are all Schindler's! Protect our bankers and israeli congress. (and aipac)

Over.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 20:21 | 4141550 Kirk2NCC1701
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Sounds plausible and wish it were true, but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny...

If they already had nukes, all Iran has to do is say so, and let one loose underground. That would totally derail the Israeli/Saudi agenda.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:07 | 4140544 y3maxx
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Isn't all this Mid East mumbo jumbo front page news about taking the heat off Obamacare, Two Leaking Gulf Oil Wells, Leaking Nuclear Power Plants (San Onofre & Hanford), growing Unemployment/Food Stamps,& the College Loan Bubble?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:33 | 4140602 macholatte
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Maybe it's more like a Merry-Go-round with Barry sitting on the horse. As the machine turns Barry gets to grab the brass ring, which, for him, is a magazine loaded with scandals and fuck-ups. Today the Middle East, tomorrow something new. Bengazi, Fast & Furious, birth cert, etc., are all more like spent shell casings littering the floor. The Progressives still own the media and Barry is still POTUS and that's not going to change any time soon.

Think:Immigration Reform - The next great fleecing of America.

 

 

No worries! Obama golfs 150th round as superstorm devastates Philippines, Iran deal enrages

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/8/miller-obama-plays-150-ro...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:37 | 4141045 mjcOH1
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"Maybe it's more like a Merry-Go-round with Barry sitting on the horse.   As the machine turns Barry gets to grab the brass ring,.."

More like a Symbian than a horse...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:36 | 4142093 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Do you honestly believe that if either the Germans, Russians or the Japanese buil the A bomb first that they would not have used it?

The USA developed it first so they used it first and that is the only reason.

Hitler, Stalin or the Emperor would have done exactly the same with many more nations than just one.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:31 | 4140464 fonzannoon
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France just got downgraded. they will leave the euro and link up with Saudi Arabia and the fromage dollar will be born. As long as the goddamn Saudis keep taking a cheese backed currency for oil, gold will continue to be monkeyhammered.

This was all predicted in that scene from Crossiant 1981

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:32 | 4140468 Seize Mars
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M'kay. And the illusion that "diplomacy has failed" will go on.

So how long is it, that the Iranians have been "weeks away" from buiding an atomic bomb? Thirty years? Fourty?

Guys, at this point, the strings on the puppets are visible and the whole thing is getting...boring.

To the PTB: Really? This is all you've got? You are getting boring.

Here is a great movie quote: Quo Vadis, where Petronius, Nero's advisor, kills himself:

"... I can forgive you for ... befouling our fair country with the stench of your crimes. But one thing I cannot forgive - the boredom of having to listen to your verses, your second-rate songs, your mediocre performances. Adhere to your special gifts, Nero - murder and arson, betrayal and terror. Mutilate your subjects if you must; but with my last breath I beg you - do not mutilate the arts. Fare well, but compose no more music. Brutalize the people, but do not bore them, as you have bored to death your friend, the late Gaius Petronius..."

PTB: you are getting boring.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:36 | 4140479 john39
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not hard to see netanyahu's fist all the way up hollande's arse on this one, is it....

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:49 | 4140494 IdeasRbulletproof
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It's not even that. Mars has it right. Everyone can see the stage has been set. NATO, US, Saudi, Israel vs Russia, China, Syria, Iran etc. The rest of this bs is just stage play. At this point the MIC is probably open for almost anything to start some false flag and frankly as Mars says, it's getting Boring. But the simple fact that the curtain is clearly open for everyone to see pretty much shows that the west has already lost. Game, set, match...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:11 | 4140725 el Gallinazo
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Hollande?  I thought it was Kermit.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:00 | 4141801 janus
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brilliant, seize mars.

mars is the red one,

janus

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:10 | 4141828 janus
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garsh, seize mars, i forgot 3 things needing adding...

1) a quote from the greatest philosopher (theologian) evah!, the great dane himself, Soren Kierkegaard: "boredom is a root of all evil"

2) a Bible verse to prove your point, (somewhere in Proverbs...can't recall chapter and verse): a haughty heart preceedeth destruction and pride commeth before a downfall. (i think that's word-for-word)

3) a song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntLsElbW9Xo

the western world/

it is explodin/

...over & over & over again, my friend/

 

janus

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:34 | 4140472 NoClueSneaker
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Sansculotte Hollandaise fait la manche ...

SocGenBNPAgricolage des gens ....

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:34 | 4140475 Emergency Ward
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Franchute Frog and Bandar Bushie, arms-for-oil in the workie.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:42 | 4140478 q99x2
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The Washington D.C. empire is falling fast. Seems like everywhere in all aspects of its influence and especially within the United States of America borders.

France has a large youth unemployment problem to resolve. French elites historically made the wrong decisions. Lots of descendants still around from when they married their first cousins.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:49 | 4140629 kchrisc
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"France has a large youth unemployment problem to resolve."

Nothing like a neo-Crusades to enable population reduction, amongst other things.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:31 | 4142138 TBT or not TBT
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By "youth" you have to understand the biggest block of the unemployed ones are arab, ethnically. And there lies the rub.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:36 | 4142140 Kiwi Pete
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Perhaps Hollande is an evil genius. Stoke a war in Syria/Iran and send all the unemployed French Arabs off to fight it. Brilliant!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:37 | 4140481 rwe2late
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wheels within wheels

possibly a set-up

France's Hollande is known to be an unflinching and sychophantic admirer of Obama and a big supporter of NATO interventions.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:48 | 4140496 bugs_
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Would you like some Ayatollah Fries what that doostam?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:48 | 4140497 rwe2late
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And meanwhile. not unrelated, the 'war' (intervention) in Syria continues.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:57 | 4140851 scraping_by
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Because a failed state is so much fun.

Somalia was a great time for everyone.

And the IDF can have howling good times amonth the Injuns.

/sarc

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:56 | 4140498 LetThemEatRand
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Anyone else find it irritating that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia -- a country that does nothing but pump crude out of the ground, and that is openly run by a royal family, and whose citizens were the large majority of the alleged 9/11 hijackers -- has such a loud voice in U.S. foreign (not to mention domestic monetary and energy) policy?   The U.S. is still back peddling after the American people stood up and managed to avoid the invasion of Syria which we have now learned was a Saudi idea from the get go.  

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:49 | 4140630 Emergency Ward
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Yes.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:51 | 4140641 kchrisc
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Yes, but only second to Israel wagging the US dog and shittng on the American people.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:22 | 4140767 logically possible
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YES, Rand, very irritating, everyone does need to be reminded of Saudi involvement, now on two occasions. Also, yes, agreed, it was the Americans that stopped the invasion of Syria, not the U.S.  

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:48 | 4140826 joego1
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The world should just take out the Saudi's and take over their oil. Fuck them.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:23 | 4162310 WallowaMountainMan
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the american people stood up?

revisionist history. The specific action that preempted the 'preemptive' u.s. oblastaboma attack was the english vote that by a margin of less than a handful kept the british out of the action.

prior to that there were only murmurs of protests in the u.s. of a. and oblastaboma was just gonna blast away without asking for permission he held he did not need.

the brits trapped him, not anything the people of the u.s. of.a. did.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:56 | 4140510 granolageek
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Oh my fucking god.

 

The US has gas coming out its ears.

The UK has two perfectly fine LNG terminals.

Yes the US is a puppet on Israel's strings, but Israel has bought the Cypriot gas for cash on the nail. 

The only actual battle proven armed forced in the world speak English. (The Israelis have an actual crappy record against anyone with either guts or artillery. Iran has both.)

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:55 | 4140841 in4mayshun
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Oil and fuel are not necessarily the same raw material. Of course most people equate oil with gasoline but forget that oil is required to manufacture, at least in part, most of the goods on the planet. Goods that cannot be made with LNG. Regardless of how much gas the US has, securing adequate crude will remain a national security interest.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:34 | 4140913 earleflorida
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"Historical Oil  Prices Chart"    {Jan/1946 @ $1.20 bbl --- Aug/2013  @ $106 bbl}     http://www.forecast-chart.com/chart-crude-oil.html

"What's in a Barrel (bbl) of Oil?"     http://energyalmanac.ca.gov/whats_in_barrel_oil.html

Note: Since 9/11 we've gone from ~$20 bbl to ~ $106 bbl

Note2: Remember Cheney going to Supreme Court sealing WH talks with certain energy companies!?!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 20:32 | 4141066 mjcOH1
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"The only actual battle proven armed forced in the world speak English. (The Israelis have an actual crappy record against anyone with either guts or artillery. Iran has both.)"

Hate on dude.   But before you pull an artillery metaphor out of your ass and ignore reality.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Order of battle:

Israel:

375,000[12]–415,000 troops,
1,700 tanks,[23]
3,000 armored carriers,
945 artillery units,[15]
440 combat aircraft

Egypt:
650,000[12]–800,000[13] troops
1,700 tanks (1,020 crossed)[14]
2,400 armored carriers
1,120 artillery units[15]
400 combat aircraft
140 helicopters[16]Hmm....
104 Navy vessels
150 surface to air missile batteries (62 in the front line)[17]

Syria:
150,000[12] troops
1,200 tanks
800–900 armored carriers
600 artillery units[15][18][19]

Other Arab Expeditionary Forces*:
100,000 troops[12]
500–670 tanks[20][21]
700 armored carriers[20]

Cuba:
1,500[9]–4,000[22] troops  

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:32 | 4141870 janus
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and then of course there's lebanon, 2006...yup, the 'most elite commandos in the world' sure steam-rolled all over that one.

israel can multiply their armaments many multiples more, the battle ALWAYS ends on the ground, and the victor is ALWAYS he most willing to spill his blood to that end.  israelis fear their own bloodshed more than defeat...

things can be very, very different when sophisicated air defence knocks out american-made (and 'donated') fighters before they leave their own airspace.  yup, this time it'll be on the ground -- tain't good for those afraid of the sight of their own blood.

the yom kippur war was a sneaky disgrace...God damn the man who boasts of it.  

maybe america should hit mexico and canada with everything we got...whilst their pants are down...we need another national holiday here in the good ole usa.  and besides, that's how neighbors do things; fuck em if they complain about it.  

"not one drop..." is, i believe, the rough translation from the hebrew.

shalom,

janus

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:49 | 4142026 mjcOH1
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"the yom kippur war was a sneaky disgrace...God damn the man who boasts of it."

Too true...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

"The war began when the Arab coalition launched a joint surprise attack on Israeli positions in the Israeli-occupied territories on Yom Kippur, the holiest day in Judaism, which occurred that year during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.....Within three days, however, Israeli forces had managed to push the Syrians back to the pre-war ceasefire lines. They then launched a four-day counter-offensive deep into Syria. Within a week, Israeli artillery began to shell the outskirts of Damascus."

Damn Jews suckered them, those sneaky bastards. :)

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 02:30 | 4142166 janus
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fair enough; but, there are versions more, say, revisionist...maybe, just maybe, equally vaild?  no? notwithstanding israel's proclivity for, and proven culpability in (uss liberty, no less), activities that are, say, clandestine?  

fair enough?

qui bono?  no?

awww, fugged-about-it...all just water under the bridge.  

anywho, it's more than evident and unquestionably documented that the above referenced theocracy did therewith leverage the legacy version of events to affect a permanant reconfiguration in the region.  

more than anything, you're proving my point about this canadian intransigence...something's gotta be done about canada and those tar sands -- janus has just the idea:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puedoyejhaA

we have reason to suspect otherwise...

a serious inferiority complex...

something's gotta done about those goddam canadians!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44bT3S3Rx5I

the canadians, they walk among us (be afraid),

janus

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:56 | 4140511 kchrisc
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"...why did France break away from the US-led negotiating axis, just to side not only with Israel but with Saudi Arabia."

As discussed here on ZH, who, at the end of the day, really controls the banks?!

"Mr. Prime Minister, would you like to end up like Cyprus or play ball with us and the Saudis?!"

Now the Israelis and Saudis have a co-conspirator to assist them with their future false-flag in the US against Iran. If you live in and around a major US city, move.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:58 | 4140519 Overdrawn
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Ever get the feeling this whole thing has been stage managed, so that the US and Israel look like the good guys in this.  Meanwhile, France gets godknows what incentives for scuppering a chance for peace.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:07 | 4140713 kchrisc
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Yeah, just two months ago they were hot to bomb Syria in a proxy war against Iran. Now they're running around working out "deals" with Iran.

I would say you are right and they are just rewriting the script, but with the same ending.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:46 | 4140945 thestarl
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Totally agree would'nt matter what the Iranians were prepared to compromise on the decsision was made long ago.

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:00 | 4140525 aleph0
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Versaille  .. another Clemenceau 1919  moment again one wonders ?
Except this time, their hatred is directed towards Iran & not Germany.
... & those French Elites still arrogantly sit in their palaces.

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:20 | 4140530 robertocarlos
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We're not stupid.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 19:22 | 4141384 Running On Bing...
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Exactly!

Over.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:06 | 4140540 lolmao500
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Surprised? Really? France is Israel's bitch and has been for decades.

They gave Israel nukes. Any criticism in France of Israel is heavily sanctionned... some humorists have been banned... (Dieudonne and others)... France was pushing for war with Syria...

France is run by scum.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:32 | 4141998 Freddie
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The Red Shield family is big there.   The Saudis and Israel are also close buddies.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:09 | 4140551 therevolutionwas
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vous les vous coucher avec moi?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:27 | 4140596 chemystical
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phonetically correct, but you're looking for "voulez vous"

+ 1 for at least being aware that there are languages other than English

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:58 | 4140667 therevolutionwas
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That's what I get for being lazy and relying on a search engine suggestion.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:38 | 4142143 TBT or not TBT
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For god sakes, man! Learn a dying language!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:15 | 4140564 buckethead
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This can be considered an assault on the petrodollar. You have to know that the rest of the world is sick of having their wealth and resources tapped by currency devaluation. 

We are even refusing to do the bidding of the Saudi's now. The whole petrodollar scam is based on mafia protection. We (The US) aren't fulfilling our pledge to prop regimes and their wishes. (refusing to invade/topple Iran and Syria, for instance)

So... Nature, abhorring a vaccum...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:16 | 4140569 Atomizer
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When will you fucking learn how politics are played out to serve Wall Street?

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/obamas-ge-to-export-nuclear-tec...

Do you understand why I'm baiting the foreign aided red headed step child? Understand, if certain events don't materialize..they don't get paid. Then we can run a audit on where the monies went. Tits up for Israel receiving more aid. Guess who will be found arming the MB? Yes..hard to believe, but true..

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:18 | 4140571 h0oS
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As Israeli interests yet again eclipse those of the world the future for Europe's economy now looks even bleaker. The reality is France needs Iran more than Iran needs France. With Japan now stepping into Iran's nuclear industry, bring with it with competition for the Russians and new technology for Iran the "West" simply hasn't understood that while it gets nods of agreement in the security council the member states rush in to capitalise on the idiocy of the sanctions on Iran, all at huge loss to Europe and the US. The amphibious axis of France, Saudi and Israel is about as robust as honour is amongst thieves. The French economy is now back in the race among which European nation will fail first while the aparthied state is more isolated than ever and the dead man of the middle east, Saudi, lumbers like a zombie to national collapse as its oppressed people wake up to their slavery.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:47 | 4140821 scraping_by
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The House of Saud is indeed on its last legs.

They've had to hire foreign mercenaries for the <i>haj</i>.

http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/17253

Leg busters for Israel, too.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:18 | 4140572 geewhiz
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USA, Britain, France always ask how high when Israel tells them to jump. No suprise here at all.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:19 | 4140575 schatzi
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"US as a key member of the 5+1 group of nations (US, Russia, China, France, Britain and Iran) to block any Iranian detente with the US"

 

P5+1 group of nations refers to the 5 permanent members + Germany. So it's actually 6 + Iran having a chat.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:19 | 4140576 Took Red Pill
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The U.S has been itching to go to war with Iran for years. I believe that is still the plan. These negotiations are a farse so they can say "see we tried to work it out peacefully but it didn't work". 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:04 | 4140700 W74
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Israel has been itching to go to war with Iran for years.....using the US military machine as a sledgehammer, and young American boys as cannon fodder.

Fixed it for ya.

These negotiations are a farse so they can say "see we tried to work it out peacefully but it didn't work".

Indeed, I believe this is the case.  No doubt about it, and I don't think anyone here would argue otherwise.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:36 | 4141729 Sparkey
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`Farce`Fixed that for YOU! You're welcome!

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 02:31 | 4142167 Freddie
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I think a lot of people in DC and the Middle East were pretty suprised by the American public's reaction on going after Syria.  I think MIC had no belly for it either.   The US military is not in very good shape due to these fake wars including keeping the heroin flowing in Afghanistan.   

Iran would be a bridge way too far in my opinion and I hop I am correct.  They could have yet another false flag as Obama usually has one a month anymore.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 05:55 | 4142249 Mitzibitzi
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Hey, that gives me an idea for a great, if impractical (due to being shot by the Secret Service for trying to set it up), prank!

Sneak onto Obama's golf course the night before he's due to play a round and move the flag on every hole about 10 feet from the actual hole. Then affix a sticker to each, marked "False Flag! How do you like it, dude?"

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:20 | 4140579 Joe A
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French ambitions. De Gaulle already back in his days wanted an alliance with the Arabs against America.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:27 | 4140597 JustObserving
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CIA tried to assassinate De Gaulle but did not succeed:

In the mid-1960s, French dissidents and CIA officials plotted to arm an assassin with a poison ring and a military dress uniform—and slip him into a reception for French soldiers. As President Charles De Gaulle made his rounds to shake hands with the soldiers, the assassin would prick De Gaulle's hand with deadly poison, and then vanish into the crowd. Lest this sound like a Pink Panther plotline, a CIA briefing officer confirmed the story in his 1975 Congressional testimony, as recounted in a front page Chicago Tribune story at the time.

http://www.trutv.com/conspiracy/assassinations/cia-hits-misses/gallery.all.html

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:50 | 4140633 Joe A
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Charles "how can you govern a country which has 246 varieties of cheese?" de Gaulle was not very popular with the Americans to say the least.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:51 | 4140832 disabledvet
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De Gaulle saved France twice. France saved America once and America saved France twice. They gave us Vietnam...and believe the clowns who went down that road (Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon) deserve all the b.s. history will wind up throwing at them. The USA has played its card differently this time and while the economy is a total train wreck the polity sure isn't. Not saying that bubble can be sustained well into next year...but we could get "the pause that makes Karen Finerman want to move in with me."

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:39 | 4140931 earleflorida
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and Bush ($$) #43 gave Obama Afghanistan's 'Vietnam'?

Helen Thomas... God Bless her soul :-)) 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 05:58 | 4142251 Mitzibitzi
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Amateurs! The UK has over 700 cheese varieties.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:27 | 4140595 Doom and Dust
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Laurent Fabius is a zionist mole. That's all we really need to know.

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:28 | 4140599 ektor
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France, UK, USA governements need a war to be able to shutdown Snowden and economical's crisis

now they are going to play a masquerade in front of us to build it, something better than Syria's one this time...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:45 | 4140621 razorthin
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Afterall, the French love Jerry Lewis.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:50 | 4140632 djsmps
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I'm going to cleanse my palate with some Zawinul.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:51 | 4140637 GAILLARD1
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Laurent Fabius is a jew, is'n he ?   Yes

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 20:37 | 4141597 FreeSlave
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurent_Fabius  from wikipedia:  "His parents were Jewish and converted to Catholicism..."

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 02:36 | 4142171 Freddie
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I knew an evangelical woman who was active in her mega church.  She was going to marry a "converted" Muslim.  The church was not buying it and told her to go elsewhere.  She was involved in the church for years.

As that libtard scumbag Alec Baldwin said in GlenGarry - "Hit the bricks pal!"  The church pretty much shunned her.

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:56 | 4140657 Iam Yue2
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Maybe BOJO Hollande should read this, before he chooses to get into bed with the devil, in a last ditch attempt to save the beleagured French economy;

"It is not merely the faith or oil that flows out of Saudi Arabia. The oil-rich Arab state and its neighbours are busy financing Wahabi and Salafi militants across the globe.."

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnxoY...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:58 | 4140664 Atomizer
Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:09 | 4140719 I Write Code
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>... accused it of trying to appease Israel and Saudi Arabia ...

Oh yeah, that famous Vaudeville team of Israel and Saudia Arabia, LOL.

The French may be volatile and cheesey but they've never really been big on appeasement as such.  Sometimes they fool you and just act rationally, which if you ask me is more or less what happened here, though that's just a guess based on no evidence at all.

 

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:19 | 4140899 scraping_by
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Does that hasbara come with pickles and an onion?

The 'Nuclear Iran' lie is not rational, it's merely dishonest. It's an excuse for aggression, warmongering, posturing, and other offenses against the peace.

Climbing down from a terror campaign doesn't appease anyone, it just ends a groundless conflict.

And the connections between the House of Saud and the Isreali regime are just below official. For example, Israel is providing air support for Suadi government's Al Quaeda in Syria.

Wrong audience. Try the Evangelical Baptists on the 700 Club.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 02:46 | 4142177 Freddie
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+1

Where does this idea that Iran should not or cannot have nukes.  Israel has nukes as does Pakistan and India.  Saudis want em too.  France has nukes as well.  Let them disarm.

Pisses me off about Evangelicals being stupid on all this. 

Who is protecting Christians in Syria?  Putin and Assad.  

Who is trying to kill them? Saudis, their buddies Israel, Qatar, Turkey, Jordan, U.S. Congress especially McCain, Graham, Rubio, Flake, Coker, Schumer plus Obama and our wonderful intelligence agencies.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:22 | 4140763 STG5IVE
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Good!  Now the phony market will climb even higher

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:48 | 4140827 Atomizer
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You don't understand yet. We want fake Dow highs. Every day they become more comfortable, meaning a rich to rags story to clear the World Bank crisis mode. When you hear these faggots begging for there money back. Theft just took place at 2%-5% earners savings level. 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:35 | 4140781 Jack Burton
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Israel has a death grip on the French government, it's foreign service, it's military and most importantly it's financial and secret police services. In fact, French policy is simply an extension of whatever the rulers of Israel dictate. Of course many will scream conspiracy. Of course that will be meant to distract from the facts. There is no secret conspiracy, it is all in the open, though the press pays no attention to it. France has it's own version of AIPAC, and it is so deeeply rooted in the powerful French banking elites and finance ministry that it is taken for granted. France is liking to pretend it is still a Middle Eastern colonial power broker, like it was before World War II.

Why would an EU state of moderate size step onto the world stage and kill a deal that could save hundreds of thousands of lives and trillions of dollars? Indeed, why is a country like France allowed such power? Russia, China, the USA and others should simply tell France to fuck off, and go about making a deal that prevents nuclear weapons spreading, this means Israel too, who has targeted at minimum 200 weapons on Europe and the Middle East. War can be prevented, and given the right kind of treaty, China could be a power that steps in and guarantees Iran's behavior. Israel is desperate to kill any deal, like their allies the shieks of Saudi Arabia, Israel wants war to finish Syria and to level Iran. That is their goal, destruction, invasion and occupation is their real aim. Israel will not stand for any Middle Eastern State outside of NATO's grip that has an economy and foreign policy independent of western banks, corporations and military oversight.

France is playing the cards on behalf of Israel. They are aiming at a broad Middle East war, a blood bath. But being natural cowards of the highest order, all of this is about forcing the Americans into doing the war fighting. We citizens will be required to pay our taxes and send our sons and grandsons into a regional war aimed at destroying and occupying both Syria and Iran. Saudi Arabia is spreading it's terror networks into Syria. Iran is too powerful for the Saudi terror gangs to enter and set up shop. Both Israel and it twin Saudi Arabia are working behind the scenes to maneuver America into war against Syria and Iran.

The proof of this is the recent joint Israeli and Saudi secret service operations in Turkey and Jordan to arm the rebels with chemical weapons of a type similar to Syrian stock piles and to use them on civilians. The trouble was, the rebels were so anxious to use them that they gave away their hand. They made at least two chemical weapons rocket attacks on Syrian regular army forces. The second one killing 17 Syrian troops. It was shortly after that they launched a series of rockets tipped with Saudi posion gas against civilians. Notice no rebels were hurt, only civilians. This coordinated chemical weapons attack was set up and protected by Israeli Mossad, the chemicals supplies by Saudi Arabia and with CIA approval the attack was launched. Obama had already postioned enough US Navy Destroyers with major cruise missle batteries in range of Syria. Thus the rebels launcehd the missles in full expectation that less than a week would be needed for Obama to rush to attack with Britain and France as diplomatic cover. It was a done deal until Russia rushed to the phones and called Obama with some facts of life. Those were that Russia, with Chinese tacit approval, was prepared to defend Syria against a NATO war. Putin made clear that NATO would be able to win in Syria despite Russian modern weapons being supplied to Syria, though NATO would pay a huge price. Obama hesitated when he was told the likley cost in American dead after US forces were confronted with Iskander and Sun Burn surface to surface missles. ANd the cost to aircraft of entering S-300 protected airspace. But Obam knew that he could still win, though Americns would be counting their dead in the hundreds. Nope, what stopped Obama dead in his tracks was Putin's claim that once NATO launched an attack on Syria, that all bets were off. Russia, with Chinese help, would quickly begin a major airlift and sea lift of the most modern weapons to Iran, backed by Russian military operators at the start. Putin mentioned S-400 Anti Air Craft missles, the passive air defense detectors, trackers and fire control systems needed to defend Iranian air space. A whole host of smaller anti aircraft medium range systems to defend points and weapons systems inside Iran. The kind that can shoot down smart bombs and crusie missiles. Putin then mentioned things like the most modern Russian long range artillery rocket systems, mobile and very long ranged. The Iskander mobile missiles that are proof from western anti missile systems. The Iskander has EMP war heads, air field killer cluster war heads and ideal oil refinery killers. Then he gave Obama a laundry list of serious weapons for anti tank and anti low flying aircraft systems for the Iranian groud forces. Long range anti shipping missiles like sunburn ungraded to the highest efficiency. Etc. Etc. Putin even appeared on RT and doubled down on this promise to insure Irans defense capabilites IF NATO attacked and conquered Syria.

It was quite simply the "line in the sand" moment. And I suspect China called Obama and informed him that China would stand with Russia as diplomatic cover.

Then, and this seems to have even appeared in main stream media, the US Joint Chiefs of Staff drove to Obama hide out and layed it out on the table, what the consequences of attacking Iran would be in lives and losses should US Carrier Air Wings attempt to enter Iranian Air space that had passive air defense tracking to supply targeting information to upgarded S-300 and brand new S-400 missile systems backed by the whole array of mobile medium and short range missile systems. As for Iran's infantry units, they would be using world class anti tank missiles and short range shoulder fired anti air craft missiles, making all low flying tactical US air support vulnerable to mobile infantry. The thing Putin was making clear to Obama was that the US air forces and ground tank divisions would net be meeting a repeat of the Iraq massacre. The US might very well prevail in it's invasion and conquest of Iran, but the prices would be something America has not seen in modern times.

I suspect the US military is very rational and they know the difference between the clunky old garbage Iran mostly has at present, and that the new array of Russian weapons now takes advantage of all the modern technology of the last 2 decades. Russian weapons makers are no longer living in an embargo world, any high tech that Russian gold and oil can buy, they CAN buy. This is not your father's Soviet Army Weapons Systems, this is all 2013!

Obama is a fucking fool, and a proven war monger, France wants to pusg us into a bloody Middle Eastern end game where armies decide the situation. Israel needs the US to finish off the last Middle Eastern state that has a real economy and a mostly loyal population with high hopes for future economic development. China is signing deal after deal with Iran. They are buying oil and selling consumer goods. Russia is holding back their top class weapons to insure peace in the region. If the US invades Syria, the peace will have failed and Russia stands to lose everything of they hold back their modern weapons from Iran. A NATO controlled Iran is not in Russia's play book. They will not stand for that, it will be game on if Israel takes it's puppet states France, The UK and the USA to war in Syria, Lebanon and Iran!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:36 | 4140799 Doom and Dust
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Longish but very perceptive post Jack

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:48 | 4140824 Jack Burton
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Yes, pretty long, but I was feeling the need to cover all my bases so readers know the points I needed to make. Though it will lose a lot of readers on account of that wordy post of mine.

I just can't not go off my rocker when I see America being set up to do another war for Saudi Arabia's terror state and Israel's paranoid desire to level all nations within their region. In the next thousand years I can't see Iran having anything at all worth gaining by making any overt attacks on Israel. The Muslims in Iran are more interested in improving their living standards. I bet the average Iranian is much more interested in the Chinese economic impact on their lives than anything little Israel does. Israel is meaningless in the contect of Iranian life. China on the other hand is the major economic powerhuse that Iran needs to have around for economic growth and diplomatic protection in a world bound on it's destruction.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:17 | 4140892 W74
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"Israel is meaningless in the contect of Iranian life."

And the Kikes fucking HATE that, and they know it.  Also of note are that small Jewish, Christian and Zorostran communities are well protected in Iran.  There is no persecution to speak of.  The Iranians don't need to keep their minority groups in check (except for Kurds/Azeris to a moderate degree) and in fact do what they can to benefit them.

Does Israel benefit it's non-Jewish minorities? No it steals their land, kills by the thousands, bulldozes houses, and allows no one else into the country despite promoting diversity in the West.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:24 | 4141978 janus
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don't forget the druze and many, many others.

in certain respects, persia (and, for that matter, syria and lebannon) has been a more equitable melting pot than we, the great e pluribus unium.

those balfore lines weren't so bad after-all...or, then again.

it's muy, muy interesante that the iranian jews prefer to stay right where they are...they know well what becomes of a sephardic within the borders of our lil ashkenazi project.  nobody likes to be experimented on -- especially those of the medical variety, most especially those for their own good.  poor-poor sephardics, will they evah learn?

probably not.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dugjCrc5o_k

oy vey,

janus

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:06 | 4141935 janus
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astute and spot-on arguments above, JB.

and as to the whole 'too long' bull shit...well, my friend, you don't forefit the 'right' type -- or should i say better sort -- of reader with the long stuff.  at least, so long as it's worth reading...and in this case it was.

janus is long long.

long live the long, i say.

but, then again, sometimes long is too long; right, donna?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF_o7aSjl_E

do yourself a favor and listen only to the first stanza or so...it goes down hill from there (oh gwad, does it evah...weepy & woeful).  a hippie-type caught between two generations made me listen to this when i was in college.  she was a sultry and agressive slut...lived in some professor's house whilst he was on sabatical...i think she was post-doc some nonsensical meaninglessness...anyway, she always had the killah bud (and that's hard to find in rural mississippi).  so, i listened to the whole 20 minute suite -- and then fucked her solid.  you know, to make up for it all...you know, for her own good.

ahhh, college...janus learned & learned & LEARNED!

here's a clip of janus in college -- you know, teaching the weepy & woeful a lesson they'll nevah forget:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaBK0dBV47E

sorry,

janus

 

 

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:06 | 4142120 Freddie
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Spot on Jack with your long post.   Maybe you remember this better than I do.  Obama supposedly had made the decision to move Syria.  I think it was on a Friday.  Supposedly, the General Dempsey rushed over to the White House on a Saturday to tell him no.   Does anyone remember that?  The public then got engaged and started calling Congress.

I had thought that the Russian military and US military brass talk in back channels.   There was a weird story that the U.S. brass asked the Russians for help to communicate with each other over their sats because the NSA listens to everything except the Russian stuff.

My guess is the Russians military probably also sent a strong message as did Putin that the U.S. would lose ships if they attacked Syria.  I hope Putin and the Chinese monkey hammer the Saudis if they start any shit.

I think China and Russia have Iran's and Syria's back.  The Russians will make sure the Iranians have their best stuff if anyone decides to attack them.

RT has these roundtables on youtube where Putin is asked all sorts fo questions.  They seem to ask him all sorts of fairly unscripted questions including his divorce and he answers them candidly.

One of the videos had Putin saying something like: The Americans sort of pushed us off after the fall of the Soviet Union.  Go ahead and play with your rusty old weapons - you are no longer a threat.   His point was the USA thought Russia's weapons were crap.  Putin laughed because he knows their missiles are state of the art and said essentially that the Americans underestaimate what we have developed over the last decade.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:14 | 4140889 trader1
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freedom fries :-P

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:40 | 4141050 Escapedgoat
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What if and mean IF, instead of the word "Israel" you Substituted the Word "Crusaders".  And by Crusaders, I mean their OLD OLIGARCHS (Princes, Dukes, Lords, Kings=ENFORCERS) and their Friends, THE BANKSTERS (Venicians, Vatican, Firenze, & later Fuggers) ?  WHAT DOES THAT MAKE??, for interchangeable Powers to muddy and stir the Shit????????????????????

 

Just had a thought.

Any answers would be welcomed.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 20:19 | 4141540 Atomizer
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Good job Jack. Keep up with your spilling the beans. At this juncture of crisis mode, they haven't figured out how to connect the dots. In time, the limelight will be shifted. 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:36 | 4140802 assistedliving
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actually it was the good ole USA/Shah that started Iran's nuclear program.  Russia moved it along and of course the French had their hand in it along the way.  think 70's 'peak oil' days and add an egomaniac w/ petrodollars and you get....

Churchill is correct in many ways and it is not just Iran.  think NATO but MENE (mid-East Near East).  one has the $$$; the other

has the nuclear capability; and we just assasinated their shadow govt leader.  Nuttyahoo and recently restored racist Russian FM see the tide turning against Israel (divestments, anti S, anti Z thruout Euroland and our own wacko evangelistas hv shut the

^%$# up so what better than play the victim (again).  Meantime, settlements away!  So lets stoke the sheeple w/ OMG! a nuclear Iran.  Iran is no threat to USA nor even Israel.  In fact we hv Iran surrounded and they've taken note of NK and Pak (what doesnt happen) and Qaddafi (what does hapen) when he gave up his.

better bumblin Obama than Buckeroo Bush/Wheeney/Numsfeld to my mind.  Assad is going down, prob from the inside.  i kno, i kno, same was said for Saddam.  And look what that got us...

lets for once MYOFB, take care of Home, frack (huge impact on our economy), conserve (better still) clean House/Senate, tax drugs, reduce military, shrink govt/regs (but enforce the ones we hv) rip up Obamacare and start over.  prob solved.

Iran is actually a beautiful country.  dont believe all that MSM 'death to AMerica' crap.  open our embassy and the lines to emigrate to San Diego wud be measured in miles not blocks.  Israel?  let Israel take care of itself and just leave us to attend to our own not insignificant problems

our people are the best, USA is the best and we need to up our game and lead by example

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:44 | 4140818 disabledvet
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GE inks a multi billion dollar contract with Algeria. The Kurds with Turkish military back will soon be pumping oil out of the Middle East like Saudi Arabia 2.0. And America remembers where the Shah hung out before he got "sprung on us" back in 1979. Oh, yeah. "Big plans afoot."

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:46 | 4140823 jubber
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I guess Bandar asked  Hollande whether he really wanted a terrorism problem in France as he threatened Blair and Vlad, Hollande took the Blair option

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:47 | 4140825 earleflorida
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the french could care less about, iran's... 'so-called threats-of-nuclear-proliferation'!

it's all about money?  as of oct/2013, france has a monopoly of nearly-all commercial 'MOX fuel' conversion (secondary supply from recycled urani

um)-- france fabricator "Areva NC" located in Marcoule, France where the process is completed (pelletising and rod assembley.

note: converting (meu/ 20%) 'medium enriched uranium' into 'uranium-oxide-fuel' is extremely hard to reverse the process once the conversion has been completed!    

note2:  MOX-fuel = mixed uranium oxide + plutonium oxide-- and the reason iran has a low-level uranium reactor is for the plutonium use in the MOX process, and not for a nuclear warhead, PERIOD!!! this is why iran had a limited stockpile of MEU and eventually plutonium to fabricate their own Nuclear Fuel.

note3: it's important to point out that ElBaradei (12 years as head of IAEA ) the predecessor to Amano (second year of a four year term, as president) was aware of iran's ultimate intentions back in 2003 before Ahmadinejad became president and soured relations with the west. rouhani was working hard then as iran's right-hand man negotiating detente for a peaceful nuclear-cycle, esp. with  EU-3 (washington always in the shadows) . the iranian's had turned their nuclear program into a bonafide indigenous r&d, home grown fabrication of p-1 & p-2 via IR-1 & IR-2 (advanced centrifuges) rotors/ margin steel(?) germany(??), machine shops and centrifuge aluminum fabrication, etc., etc., incl. special lubricants for rpm stacks assembley! elbaradei and his 2nd in command knew it would take years to gain any ground as to developing a nuclear weapon if ever that was iran's intentions? but needless to say all they wanted was indendence and the writ-right in the NPT o fabricate their own fuel.

finally: to be clear this is just the french trying to carry tel aviv's water and grease their own palms in the-inbetween-time and get a huge contract for Total SA!

jmo

thankyou Tyler 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:07 | 4140869 robertocarlos
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Were the Japanese building a bomb too?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 06:15 | 4142255 Mitzibitzi
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They certainly have the capability.

If there aren't a dozen or so ready-to-assemble bombs sitting on a very secret shelf somewhere in the Home Islands, I'll be extremely surprised.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:03 | 4140862 TORNasunder
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Plans within plans within plans...

Create so much deception it is but impossible to ascertain the truth. Not to mention that each group has it's set of plans and how quickly they will flips sides.

I will say this, it is fascinating to watch.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:46 | 4141067 besnook
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i thought it was something simple like video of hollande entertaining young muslim street urchins.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 17:56 | 4141216 Hagen
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5+1 makes reference to 5 members of the security council of the UNO + Germany and not Iran which is on the other side of the table.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 19:06 | 4141351 Confundido
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This is all about Total SA vs. Halliburton and others.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 19:13 | 4141366 Goldilocks
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That is one big pile of shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JFfN5pKzFU (0:09)

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:23 | 4141438 tony wilson
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thank god for france and netanyahoo

israel cannot afford another repeat of the 1940s.

iran must be treated as if it was germany in 1944-46.

america is duty bound too pay the blood sacrifice too keep are superiors safe.

some say the battle for algiers or vichy france under petain was france at it's best.

but stopping the nazis in iran is a new best for france.

we crushed the mighty army of malawi battered gaddaffi let freedom reign.

france will do the same again with little iran putin gets in are way we will take stalingrad in 10 days tops.

france is on a roll make way or run away.

just move you filthy scum.

 

donte neg me godamit i was just kiddin

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:22 | 4141693 Constitutional ...
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Benjamin, patriot of Israel, I urge you to read 'War is a Racket'. Quick synopsis here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Is_a_Racket

Your brother did not die in vain if you live more wisely and reject the money power which will most certainly make a huge body bag out of you and Israel while moving its core interests East. Money is 24/7, color blind, no loyalty to any land or people.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:13 | 4141952 casfoto
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Laurent is Jewish. That is why. They put the screws on and here we have "France" making the call? This is sickening. No small warlike bunch of assholes like the Israelis should be able to start WW3 but they are bent on doing so. We should totally ignore these idiots. Let them fight Iran themselves and leave us out of it. They did this with Iraq and now they are trying to do it again. Nuttyahoo is a raving lunatic.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:35 | 4141971 tony wilson
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mean while

THIS IS NOT THE BBC NEWS.

today iranian deputy industry minister was shot dead by a mossad kidron hit team.

in other news russia responds too the rothschild use of weather weapon in the phillipines by shooting down the rothschild owned bad weather blackmail device the GOCE Satellite.

land sea now space bitches.

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:20 | 4142131 Constitutional ...
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Well done Putin and the Russian patriots.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 05:46 | 4142244 Rory_Breaker
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tony, what's the source for russia shooting down the GOCE satellite?

 

ESA had already that the mission was to end this year:

http://www.esa.int/Our_Activities/Observing_the_Earth/GOCE/ESA_s_GOCE_mi...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 07:40 | 4142279 ToNYC
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Nylons and cigarettes they did it for, once and again.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 08:51 | 4142330 MSimon
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This means that once again the traditional narrative of Iran as an intransigent, obstinate negotiator falls apart

 

Iran is like Obama. Say anything to get the deal. Then...

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