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Typhoon Death Count Surpasses 10,000; People "Walk Like Zombies Looking For Food; Martial Law Imminent

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When we previewed the initial "massive devastation" aftermath of typhoon Haiyan yesterday, when the casualties resulting from the strongest storm to ever make landfall were "only" 1200, we had a feelilng that the final tally would be far worse. And so it is: a day later, the incoming reports confirm that by the time the final death toll is calculated it will probably be one for the record books, because at last the dead had risen to a massive 10,000 and were increasing exponentially.

The latest tally comes from Reuters, according to which, "one of the most powerful storms ever recorded killed at least 10,000 people in the central Philippines, a senior police official said on Sunday, with huge waves sweeping away coastal villages and devastating one of the main cities in the region." "We had a meeting last night with the governor and the other officials. The governor said, based on their estimate, 10,000 died," Soria told Reuters. "The devastation is so big."

"From a helicopter, you can see the extent of devastation. From the shore and moving a kilometer inland, there are no structures standing. It was like a tsunami," said Interior Secretary Manuel Roxas, who had been in Tacloban since before the typhoon struck the city. "I don't know how to describe what I saw. It's horrific."

Needless to say, Haiyan makes Sandy pale by comparison: 70 to 80 percent of structures in its path as it tore through Leyte province on Friday, said police chief superintendent Elmer Soria, before weakening and heading west for Vietnam.

"People are walking like zombies looking for food," said Jenny Chu, a medical student in Leyte. "It's like a movie." As rescue workers struggled to reach ravaged villages along the coast, where the death toll is as yet unknown, survivors foraged for food or searched for lost loved ones.

 

Witnesses and officials described chaotic scenes in Leyte's capital, Tacloban, a coastal city of 220,000 about 580 km (360 miles) southeast of Manila which bore the brunt, with hundreds of bodies piled along roads and pinned under wrecked houses.

 

The city lies in a cove where the seawater narrows, making it susceptible to storm surges.

 

The city and nearby villages as far as one kilometer (just over half a mile) from shore were flooded, leaving floating bodies and roads choked with debris from fallen trees, tangled power lines and flattened homes.

And just as in the case of Sandy, the biggest threat from the storm turned out to be not the winds but the water surge which gave the storm a tsunami-like feel and flooded all low-lying territories.

Most of the deaths appear to have been caused by surging sea water strewn with debris that many said resembled a tsunami, leveling houses and drowning hundreds of people in one of the worst disasters to hit the typhoon-prone Southeast Asian nation.

 

About 300 people died in neighboring Samar province, where Haiyan first hit land on Friday as a category 5 typhoon, with 2,000 missing, said a provincial disaster agency official.

 

Nearly 480,000 people were displaced and 4.5 million "affected" by the typhoon in 36 provinces, the national disaster agency said, as relief agencies called for food, water, medicines and tarpaulins for the homeless.

 

International aid agencies said relief efforts in the Philippines were stretched thin after a 7.2 magnitude quake in central Bohol province last month and displacement caused by a conflict with Muslim rebels in southern Zamboanga province.

And when disaster strikes poor nations, looting is sure to follow, as does martial law.

Looters rampaged through several stores in Tacloban, witnesses said, taking whatever they could find as rescuers' efforts to deliver food and water were hampered by severed roads and communications. A TV station said ATM machines were broken open.\

 

Mobs attacked trucks loaded with food, tents and water on Tanauan bridge in Leyte, said Philippine Red Cross chairman Richard Gordon. "These are mobsters operating out of there."

 

President Benigno Aquino said the government had deployed 300 soldiers and police to restore order and that he was considering introducing martial law or a state of emergency in Tacloban to ensure security. "Tonight, a column of armored vehicles will be arriving in Tacloban to show the government's resolve and to stop this looting," he said.

 

Aquino has shown exasperation at conflicting reports on damage and deaths and one TV network quoted him as telling the head of the disaster agency that he was running out of patience.

 

"How can you beat that typhoon?" said defense chief Voltaire Gazmin, when asked whether the government had been ill-prepared. "It's the strongest on Earth. We've done everything we can, we had lots of preparation. It's a lesson for us."

 

...

 

Many tourists were stranded. "Seawater reached the second floor of the hotel," said Nancy Chang, who was on a business trip from China in Tacloban City and walked three hours through mud and debris for a military-led evacuation at the airport.

 

"It's like the end of the world."

 

Six people were killed and dozens wounded during heavy winds and storms in central Vietnam as Haiyan approached the coast, state media reported, even though it had weakened substantially since hitting the Philippines.

It is truly stunning just how brittle the stability of society becomes once the "just in time" amentites everyone takes for granted, disappear without a trace.

Worst of all, the Philippines could be just the beginning: Vietnam is next, as is the very densely populated region of southern China. "Vietnam authorities have moved 883,000 people in 11 central provinces to safe zones, according to the government's website."

Raw video of the storm via Bloomberg:

Finally, some additional photos of the aftermath.

Survivors walks past uprooted palm trees after super Typhoon Haiyan battered Tacloban city, central Philippines November 9, 2013.  REUTERS-Romeo Ranoco

Debris litter a damaged airport after super Typhoon Haiyan battered Tacloban city in central Philippines November 9, 2013. REUTERS-Erik De Castro

Damaged passenger boarding stairs are seen after super Typhoon Haiyan battered Tacloban city, central Philippines, November 9, 2013.  REUTERS-Romeo Ranoco

A damaged airport is seen as residents wait for relief goods after super Typhoon Haiyan battered Tacloban city, central Philippines, November 9, 2013. REUTERS-Romeo Ranoco

Residents carry the body of a loved one after super Typhoon Haiyan battered Tacloban city, central Philippines, November 9, 2013.  REUTERS-Romeo Ranoco

Vehicles that were washed away by floodwaters are seen at a rice field near the airport after super Typhoon Haiyan battered Tacloban city, central Philippines, November 9, 2013. REUTERS-Romeo Ranoco

Damaged houses near the airport are seen after super Typhoon Haiyan battered Tacloban city, central Philippines, November 9, 2013.  REUTERS-Romeo Ranoco

Overturned vehicles are seen at a rice field after super Typhoon Haiyan battered Tacloban city, central Philippines, November 9, 2013. REUTERS-Romeo Ranoco

Soldiers walks past the damaged area of an airport after super Typhoon Haiyan battered Tacloban city, central Philippines, November 9, 2013.  REUTERS-Romeo Ranoco

Helicopters hover over the damaged area after super Typhoon Haiyan battered Tacloban city, central Philippines, November 9, 2013. REUTERS-Romeo Ranoco

An aerial view shows damaged structures as residents unload relief goods from a helicopter after Typhoon Haiyan hit a village in Panay island in northern Iloilo Province, central Philippines November 9, 2013.  REUTERS-Leo Solinap

Survivors walk near their damaged house after super Typhoon Haiyan battered Tacloban city, central Philippines November 9, 2013.  REUTERS-Romeo Ranoco

Survivors who lost their homes use a Jeepney public bus as shelter after a super Typhoon Haiyan battered Tacloban city, central Philippines November 9, 2013. REUTERS-Romeo Ranoco

 


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Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:00 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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They should have evacuated more people... New Orleans was UNDER SEA LEVEL and they had no help for weeks and yet only a thousand or so died...

Whoever was in charge of this should hang.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:06 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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Were the people lied to as to what was heading towards them or were they told a massive typhoon was bearing down on them? Do you know for sure that there weren't any evacuations? I'm trying to understand the logic behind your comment and am having difficulty.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:11 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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He is just being a hateful prick...

I saw reports that 700,000 people were evacuated but they have to have some place to go. Leaving the cost to go inland only works if you have strong enough structure to ride it out in...

The local arena/auditorium in Tacloban, i.e. their Superdome, collapsed...

There are unconfirmed reports of a storm surge of 30 feet...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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In the weeks following a disaster such as this, having the capability to clean drinking water can save your life...

 

The Second Annual hedgeless_horseman's 12 Days of Christmas
~ Gift ideas for the Zero Hedge reader in your life

9. This bomb-proof water filter is perfect for the survivalist or adventurer on your gift list.

Katadyn Pocket Water Filter, $349.00

 

A
Guide for Those with Much Money and Very Little Patience Whom Want to
Prepare for Zombie Apocalypse But Are Afraid to Google It For Fear of
DHS Labeling Them A Terrorist.

Item 2

Develop a basic mindset.  Here are some ideas.  Commit to prepare for zombies, so that currency collapse, EMP, hurricanes, revolution, world war, or anything else will seem relatively mild.  Understand that the time to make a plan and prepare is before, not after a zombie invasion.  Understand that there is no way you can plan or prepare for every contingency, but doing something today goes a long way to peace of mind, and eliminating any regrets should the shit actually hit the fan.  Realize that everything is likely to cost more next year, if you can get it, so better to buy it now.  Acknowledge that nobody really knows if, what, when, or how anything in the future is going to happen...it is all just speculation.  Finally, always remember that, "on a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero," so don't get too worked up, or go into debt, just because of this little exercise in paranoia.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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The Katadyn....

An awesome little bit of technology... 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:29 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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It is spec'd is for 13,000 gallons, but in a pinch can do much, much, more.

Run this exercise:

If you are told to evacuate, now, taking only what you can carry, what are you going to grab? 

You must walk out the door within 60 seconds, if you want to live. 

Go!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:30 | Link to Comment The Gooch
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They also make a less expensive option. 

http://www.rei.com/product/737349/katadyn-base-camp-water-filter

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:45 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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One can always wait for the government to show up and provide:

  • shelter,
  • clothing,
  • water,
  • security,
  • food,
  • and medical care.

You may not need to wait days or weeks like they did in Haiti...

...but then, again, you may.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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our government's security does come with water

but it's usually forced down your throat when you least want it

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:39 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Ouch...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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no, "ouch, yes I am a terrorist, I only dress like a sheep herder"

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:15 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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I was referring to the depth of your snark, which was truly impressive...

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Stackers
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George Bush hates yellow people

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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most of all, he hates to interrupt an illustrated children's book

he'll kiss any color, if it can introduce him to black gold

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:30 | Link to Comment James_Cole
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For those who missed the incredible satellite photo:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/eumetsat/10726056545/sizes/o/in/photostream/
Not much you can do to prepare for that, other than run like hell.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:25 | Link to Comment aint no fortuna...
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I obviously feel terrible for the people of the Philippines, but this "Tylerism" hits right at home in the good ole US of A where our entire society revolves around "just in time everything" - "It is truly stunning just how brittle the stability of society becomes once the "just in time" amentites everyone takes for granted, disappear without a trace." Words to the wise when this whole economy and ponzi hits the wall...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 05:07 | Link to Comment matrix2012
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"our government's security does come with water

but it's usually forced down your throat when you least want it"

 

Guantanamo or popularly known as GITMO Water Boarding Method... patented technique!

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:34 | Link to Comment jerry_theking_lawler
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All of the same was true for Katrina. People walking around like zombies, lost, in shock. After things started to 'normalize' then the water issue arose. By the time the .gov rode in on the helicopter calvary, things were almost back to normal.....

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:04 | Link to Comment Fukushima Sam
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Will we soon have a new classification of "super-duper" storms?

 

But I'm sure everything is just fine over in the Philippines. They will recover fom this, right?  Recovery will be a boon to their economy, right?

"This is the third time in the past 12 months the Philippines have set a new record for their most expensive natural disaster in history. The record was initially set by Typhoon Bopha of December 2012, with $1.7 billion in damage; that record was beaten by the $2.2 billion in damage done by the August 2013 floods on Luzon caused by moisture associated with Typhoon Trami."

(Source)

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:17 | Link to Comment Cookie
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I was 60km distant when Mount Pinatubo blew in the early 1990's, shocking to see. Most comments on this thread show are ignorant about the impact a major problem like this has on communities that are already living on the tightrope between life and death. I wish the people impacted werre the banksters who rule the lives of the lives of these poor souls. F U Central Banks. 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:45 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Yes, it is one thing to be irritated by people with resources who fail to prepare.  It is another thing entirely to be dismissive of the suffering of those who had no economic means to "prepare" for a disaster, including even leaving.  When you live in a tin shack and you make a few thousand dollars a year in a good year, you focus on daily survival.   When a storm comes, you hunker down and hope for the best.   You don't load up the SUV and head to the inland Holiday Inn.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:18 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Take a close look, that is how you will be living in ten years.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Keyser
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Only if you have 10 - 12 children, no viable means of support, no pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of. Unless you have been to the Philippines and have seen how the vast majority live, you have no moral compass to guide you as to their plight. The Catholic church has much to answer for in the PI. 

 

 

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:13 | Link to Comment thestarl
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Absolutely Keyser having been to the Phillipines your spot on man.For the majority its about subsistence.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:56 | Link to Comment SilverIsKing
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How do you say 'stronger than the storm' in Tagalog?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 17:40 | Link to Comment Bendromeda Strain
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Gumagamit ka nang salawal nang nane mo

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:31 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Keyser has the necessary moral compas, for having flown in there once and observed the poverty up close, really taking it in.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:32 | Link to Comment toady
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Not sure about the churches role in the P.I., and I'm not trying to support Catholics, but I'm pretty sure no one is more culpable for the current situation than the Marcos family and the US support of ol' Ferdinand.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:50 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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The banks control the volcanos too! Gah!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Wow! Pinatubo was an epic once in a life time event. I remember that that volcane threw so much shit into the atmosphere that for two winters running up here in Northen Minnesota we set record cold temperatures. One morning it pushed 50 below zero, and I live in a warm spot, a few miles up into the forests, it was said to have scored at -55 degrees an all time record for us. Though -30 is common, anything near -40 is pretty epic for us.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 19:32 | Link to Comment willwork4food
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God God. How can anybody live in that kind of envirnment and chose to stay there?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 08:38 | Link to Comment IrritableBowels
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You haven't lived until you've experienced frozen snot while starting your car 45 minutes before you need it due to -60F (with wind chill)...

and no, the plug hanging out of my front grill isn't indicative of an electric car.  It's a block heater, stupid.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:18 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Re: storms, unlikely given the origin and rational of the current system:

According to Robert Simpson, there are no reasons for a Category 6 on the Saffir-Simpson Scale because it is designed to measure the potential damage of a hurricane to manmade structures. Stating that "...when you get up into winds in excess of 155 mph (249 km/h) you have enough damage if that extreme wind sustains itself for as much as six seconds on a building it's going to cause rupturing damages that are serious no matter how well it's engineered".[3]

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:29 | Link to Comment Zero Point
Sun, 11/10/2013 - 17:58 | Link to Comment scrappy
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I picked up a swiss army surplus, had the kettle, went into a rocket stove and had a field cup that fit together for travel, cool. 30.00

Sandy hit SE NE hard, no power 5 plus days, so I ordered this.

I bet they would haved loved this in NY - NJ.

Eccotemp L5 Portable Tankless Water Heater and Outdoor Shower

$119.00

http://www.amazon.com/Eccotemp-L5-Portable-Tankless-Outdoor/dp/B000TXOJQ...

Think about it, hot water soothes the beast in us, is good for health and morale, and can be used for medical and other sanitation uses as well as clean clothes, or make coffee or tea, or food using the thermos method! Works off a garden hose and a regular grill propane tank.

This is a cheap prep eveyone can afford.

Baofeng UV-82 Replaces UV-5R and UV-B6 Models Dual-Band 136-174/400-520 MHz FM Ham Two-way Radio, Transceiver, HT, Walkie Talkie

$49.28

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E4KLY34/ref=oh_details_o03_s00_i00?i...

On back order, must be in demand..

 

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:08 | Link to Comment Seer
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It depends on what's outside your door, where you are located... and, who is telling you to evacuate...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:27 | Link to Comment Seer
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I see someone believes that "situational" information is not necessary and that a "one-size-fits-all" solution is good.  And to that person: are you a central planner?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:21 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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13,000 - pretty good price per gallon

wonder what i'd pay for a gallon of clean water in a disaster

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment Mike in GA
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if you could find one

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:56 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Less than $0.03 / gallon of purified drinking water.

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 18:08 | Link to Comment scrappy
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Depending on where you live, you just might need this someday if GW is right.

Seychelle 28oz Flip-top Portable Radiological Radiation Water Filtration & Purification Bottle that Removes 100% of Major Nuclear Contaminants from Drinking Water: Removes 100% of Gross Beta, Radium 226, Uranium, Cesium 137, Strontium, Plutonium, Radioactive Iodine B1, and Radon 222

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B006AVLS22/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pd_S_ttl?_encoding=UT...

$54.50

Regular good filtration on a budget, try this. At under 10 bucks you can order extras and pass em around or stash em, it's a start.

http://www.amazon.com/Aquamira-Frontier-Emergency-Filter-System/dp/B000O...

Berkey is good, but expensive. I got this varient, but it was a lot cheaper back then, unused, but in hand if needed.

http://www.amazon.com/Royal-Berkey-Black-Filters-Fluoride/dp/B002R8ON3I/...

 

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 17:02 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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Does that mean it breaks after 13,000 gallons, you need to clean the filter, get a new filter or what?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment swedish etrade baby
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I came across tish instructable a few weeks ago. It might be a cheaper option.http://www.instructables.com/id/How-to-Purify-Muddy-Water/

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:45 | Link to Comment Seer
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You'll find that there are primarily two issues with "dirty" water:

1) Suspended material;

2) Bacteria. (which, of course, can also be suspended)

These require two different approaches to deal with.

Suspended material will, after sufficient time, settle.  I've got some nice "sealed" jars of water from my well before I rehab'd it, that, after an extended period of time, have as clear-looking water that you'd ever see; on the bottom of those jars is, of course, the crap that was suspended previously.  Most stuff will settle in a fairly short period of time (look to batch/plan accordingly), after which you just skim water from the upper reaches of the container.

Bacteria is more problematic and is generally the bigger threat.  There's a reason why UV sterilizers work- UV KILLS bacteria.  Allowing sunshine to permeate a water container (given the settling of suspended materials, which can block UV) will deal with bacteria issues.

Always assume bacteria.  Guess wrong and, at a minimum you will have discomfort, at the extreme you die.

Nothing is 100%.  And nothing is guaranteed to remove every known problematic element that one could find in water: a if you look at the data on ANY filtration and treatment system/solution it'll amost certainly state something as in particle size (smaller particles pass through) or percentage of effectiveness.  Though I don't monitor all the stuff out there, I do seem to recall not seeing anyone guaranteeing 100% efficacy across the board.  And there's always "operator error."

One way of collecting from a "clean" source (well, assuming that there hasn't been a buch of nasty stuff disperssed in to the air) is the tarp collection way.  Create a depression in the middle of a hung tarp, cut a hole there and locate a container to funnel rain and or dew.  I've read about folks doing this on a small scale and digging a hole and setting a piece of material depressed in to it with something to catch dew from, only they don't cut a hole in the material, just allow the dew to form on the underside and dribble into your container: this technique is more suitable to dry/arid regions, where the above-ground-level tarp solution would likely not work.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 18:16 | Link to Comment scrappy
Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:28 | Link to Comment Manthong
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..y'know the initial reports regarding 3'rd world county's disasters are never accurate or complete.

hmm.. not like it was the great reporting we got from Katrina ar anything. 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:48 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Reporters taking turns wading into the same convenient stretch of inundated road?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 17:56 | Link to Comment Manthong
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actually, it is fun to watch the fools as they try strip each other out by rolling their mikes and schwantes out in the breeze.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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It was reported plenty in Asia, just few Americans speak Bisayan or even Tagalog, so they don't care.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:48 | Link to Comment Seer
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The Philippine govt Does speak English...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Keyser
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I have found very few Filipinos that don't speak any English and that was out in the provinces. All business is conducted in English and it is a required language in school. I find your comment more than a bit retarded. 

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 18:37 | Link to Comment scrappy
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Maraming salamat. (Many Thanks) I use it on the Filipino techs.

I almost see their wide ass grin over the phone, they are happy for the respect. ;-)

Learned the phrase reading the book "King Rat" - Great read.

http://www.amazon.com/King-Asian-Saga-James-Clavell-ebook/dp/B001LOEG7W/...

Rukis Tukis!

Yum!

http://tagaloglang.com/Basic-Tagalog/

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:26 | Link to Comment therover
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Thanks Hedge....I just ordered one.  

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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There are lots of good products out there - including those costing quite a bit less than that particular Katadyn. (Which is a helluva good purifier.)  Some may be a little bulkier than that unit - important for a mountaineer but not for a disaster situation . Just make sure its a purifier, not just a filter. Do your homework to see what's out there. You can survive about 3 weeks without food, only 3 days without water.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:37 | Link to Comment Quinvarius
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This Sawyer Point system is what I ended up for my main bag after watching a number of lightweight backpacking videos:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00B1OSU4W/

I actually had a katadyn when I bought it.  The Sawyer point is much lighter, faster to use, and a lot cheaper.  I don't expect to be filtering the water coming out of Dupont Plant sewer drainage pipe.  I think it is a good option for a few weeks of bugging out.  $40 and is screws onto any plastic bottle.  Can't beat that.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 18:48 | Link to Comment scrappy
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Great point.

Get this if you are on a budget, it compares favorably on a cost to storage basis per gallon than the big cistern models for big $.

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Good-Ideas-55-Gallon-Big-Blue-Recycled-Plastic...

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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Not to mention that this wasn't a tsunami, but a typhoon. So just running up the next hill didn't help that much. As you said: "Strong enough structures" are of vital importance ...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:48 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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These countries are dirt poor. How do the masses and/or government afford to build Cat-5 tsunami-resistant structures? I guess they could build one of them per town for people to hunker down in.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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the globalists told us that they were lifting all boats into the middle class by outsourcing manufacturing to all these 3rd world countries ... are you telling me those globalists were liars?  /snarc

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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Oh no the Philippines is not dirt poor, most of the people are, but the elite there are just as slovenly there as here. They are worse over there, because it is a real Bnana Republic.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:52 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Up the hill the structures need not be submarines. Down in the storm surge things are worse.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:10 | Link to Comment Seer
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All assumes that the land up "the hill" is stable.  Thanks to all the ilegal logging most hillsides are questionably stable.  And, well, rains fall out of the sky.

BTW - My wife is from the Philippines (lived there until she was 45), so I've got a pretty good reference.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:19 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Yes, water is the killer, either via the surge or the mudslides....

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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good point Seer, our modern ag has removed the ability of the soil to hold water and hold itself. It makes it that much tougher when there's no rain and even tougher when there's too much

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:51 | Link to Comment Seer
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Yes... and the reason?  Loss of soil microbes and other life in the soil that does all the sub-surface tilling that creates air pockets that trap air and hold moisture.  The older I get the more I see how amazing nature is.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:04 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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...and how stupid man is

have you seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK8JNXHcBMA

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:10 | Link to Comment Urban Redneck
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The problem is that in this case there is no such thing as a "strong enough structure" there is only fate/luck/divine will in the decision one makes about the structure to shelter in (even if making an educated guess).

When Joe Stack flew his Piper into the IRS office in Austin- it was effectively a single piece of debris weighing less then 1 ton and traveling at 150mph. Those overturned SUVs weigh a lot more than 1 ton and when airborne will destroy any wall they impact. The only "good" thing about all that water that drowns everyone at lower elevations is that it keeps a lot debris from getting airborne in the first place during the hour(s) of hellish weather as opposed to minutes that one has endure during a tornado.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:27 | Link to Comment Citxmech
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Exactly, the Philippines are a bunch of islands - where the fuck were they supposed to evacuate to?  It's not like the Philippines has a lot of elevation or mountains either.  This typhoon had 200+mph winds - that is like a friggen tornado 300 miles wide.  That would essentially devastate any city on Earth, let alone any poor rural areas.  Even if a few of these folks had underground bunkers, they likely would have drowned from the surge.  Blaming the victims here is just plain fucked-up.  

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:13 | Link to Comment Seer
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Thank you.

There's a huge stash of extremely beautiful and poor people there.  I am thankful that none of my wife's relatives were impacted, this time (they've had their share of dosings over the last couple of years).

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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it's also why Indonesia is fucked with an ocean rise

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment YHC-FTSE
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That's exactly what I heard and read. 200+mph winds and ocean surges. I can't imagine the force of a storm that big since the only reference I have is the Great Storm of 1987 which killed 18 people and uprooted trees all over England and blew away brick houses at just 80mph. It must have been terrifying and a sober reminder of our recent shameful hysterics over "Super Storm St.Jude" a few weeks ago. I have nothing but sympathy and sorrow for the people of the Philippines.

Nothing short of a nuclear bunker would have sufficed for protection under those conditions. I can't envisage any of our buildings and infrastructure standing up in London after such a force. 

It's coming up to Christmas,  the retailers are already vying for our cash and shallow gratification.  How about putting a little aside for the survivors - pretend it's a relative - and give to a small charity of your choice who are involved in the efforts to make a difference to the Philippines?  You know you want to. 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 18:57 | Link to Comment scrappy
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Great call bud, that's what we do, goats for women, ducks, chickens, donations to orgs that really take care of OUR PEOPLE - COMMUNITY as well, such as rescue missions that actually FEED PEOPLE.

My crteria, is admin overhead vs. real world RESULTS.

SO

No Red Cross

No other cheesers.

Use Charity Navigator.

Give Wisely.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:33 | Link to Comment CaptainObvious
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I don't think he realizes that the Phillippines is an island nation.  Where the fuck exactly were the inhabitants supposed to be evacuated to that they would be completely safe?  It's not like they could flee to the mainland, since they don't have one.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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Too often people come to conclusions without facts or evidence.

I have no idea what the situation really is on the ground in the Philippines.

How terrible for those poor people.  We've sponsored a young woman there since she was a little girl. (Provided money each month for school & some essentials, bday and Xmas gifts,  and corresponded with her.) She's now a college student. We're trying to find out if she and her family are well.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:56 | Link to Comment Jack Burton
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Good post Flakmeister. There were evacuations on a large scale. But there is not the road and rail systems to transport masses of people. Many could not know that this was an epic storm and not just a bad storm coming. The housing is flimsy at best and beign tropical, there is no need to build the solid structures of high latitudes. Poverty is wide spread, and this affects people's possibilities to a large degree when they need to run for cover. Where to go? Where is safe in teh face of that size a storm.

A few years back Australia faced a storm of similar size. But evacuation was easy due to wonder roads, raid and air ports, everyone owned a car. Government rushed buses for the elderly etc. etc.

To post and blame the victim is just mean spirited hate mongering. How some people are so soaked with hate never ceases to amaze me. Nobody on the ground on the track of this storm had and easy way out.

The Australian death toll was about 1 or 2, but the stomr plowed into the coast where nobdy lived. OZ is huge and many areas have no people. This situation above is opposite. Heavily populated and poor. Blame those people? Takes a sick and evil mind set!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:12 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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I think he's trying to say that if they all had bitcoin they could now use it to buy lifesaving supplies. Doh! No internoodles.

Over.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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I think a lot of people would be happy to have some Raman noodles now...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:35 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-19-10/fear-we-are-returning-ti...

  • i,Water Filter,1,Katadyn Pocket water filter,$300.00
  • i,Water Purification Tablets,1,Katadyn Micropur tablets,$13.95
  • i,Energy bars,12,Power Bars -Energy,$4.00
  • i,Food,2,Datrex 3600 Calorie Emergency Food Pouch,$14.00
  • i,Dried fruit,8,Dehydrated Figs,$8.00
  • i,Electrolytes,6,PowerBar Gel ,$6.00

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment Seer
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I'm sorry, but this seems all too snotty to be posting here within the subject of poverty-level, human suffering.

Average income in the Philippines is 9,385 pesos (http://www.nscb.gov.ph/secstat/d_income.asp).  PHP/USD exchange rate is roughly 43 to 1.  If the average income earner there were to spend his/her entire yearly income they couldn't even purchase that low-end Katadyn.  And then there's the issue of hanging on to something like this while trying to "evacuate" (on transportation that is, on any NORMAL day, overcrowded).

I GET IT that your information is for us "1%-ers" here (don't kid yourselves, when compared to the rest of the globe we here ARE 1%-ers), but this just seems innaprorpriate (it feels like the "go out and consume and things will be all better" mantra that's been pushed down our throats post 9/11/2001).

Yeah, this is catching me at a higher emotional state than normal.  I have family down there.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:33 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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have you been able to communicate at all

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:40 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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...too snotty to be posting here...

You may have missed this at the top of the page:

On a long enough timeline
the survival rate for
everyone drops to zero.

You can donate money at this site, if you want to feel less snottyI have. 

Pending Amount: USD 100.00
Ref:11XXXX
Date:10 Nov 2013 XX:XX GMT
Payment Method:Credit/debit card
Anonymous: Yes

 

The IFRC is not a government agency, but depends on donations to carry
out its work. What's more, the value of contributions is increased by
the fact that the Federation has a huge volunteer network, with 355
volunteers for every paid member of staff.

 

FWIW...

Chicken Ramen Noodles, 190 calories, 0.5 the size of a single Datrex, ~ $1.00 for two, $0.0026 per calorie.

Datrex 3,600 calories, $6.00 each, $0.0016 per calorie.

Not only is Datrex less expensive per calorie, and 1/10 the size per calorie, but no water required to make Datrex palatable.

Datrex is used all around the world in the lifeboats of commercial ships.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment Sofa King Confused
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Lifestraw.....Only $19.95

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Those straws suck, literally.

If cost is a big issue, Iodine is a good solution.

Filter water through cotton cloth, add two drops per liter, and wait 15 minutes.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 19:14 | Link to Comment scrappy
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Yes, do need some.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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understood.  Lived on an island in the caribbean some years ago (USVI).  I was only there for a little while.  Locals told me about when the last hurricane swept the island in 1995 (St. Croix) not a leaf was left on a tree anywhere on the island ... and there are actual rainforests there that are quite lush.  There were houses for sale (some were pretty nice designs) that had been abandoned  in 1995 for $24k and less (2k square feet, circular design, 1/4 acre).  The electric grid still had issues as parts of the islands' infrastructure never got totally fixed .. a person could grab wires as they hung so low to the ground between the poles .... those islands are 'US territories'.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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understood.  Lived on an island in the caribbean some years ago (USVI).  I was only there for a little while.  Locals told me about when the last hurricane swept the island in 1995 (St. Croix) not a leaf was left on a tree anywhere on the island ... and there are actual rainforests there that are quite lush.  There were houses for sale (some were pretty nice designs) that had been abandoned  in 1995 for $24k and less (2k square feet, circular design, 1/4 acre).  The electric grid still had issues as parts of the islands' infrastructure never got totally fixed .. a person could grab wires as they hung so low to the ground between the poles .... those islands are 'US territories'.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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Your data/conclusions are inaccurate.

The 9000 peso number you quote is the definition of poverty level, not average annual income.  Scroll down further in the link and you'll find average annual income is about 100K pesos (about $2500 USD).

[that's also the average annual expenditures, which is why so many US expats are drawn there to stretch pension]

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment NidStyles
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That is average for those people that are actually working. They do not count those that have left the workforce, they use the same exact methods as the US government does, and even make the same changes.The disparity between wealthy and poor there is even more dramatic than here in the US.

The islands in question are some of the poorest islands in the country.

 

 

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment HardAssets
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I took HH posts as a warning for people to prepare regarding their own supplies of drinkable water. Disasters can hit anyone. If you have no source of water, you'll be in very bad shape within a relavtively short time frame - about 3 days.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Sedaeng
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This brand offers tasty emergency food rations.  Taste like shortbread cookies.  Does not make you thirsty

Mainstay ER 3600 for $6.15

Mainstay ER 2400 for $4.50  <I bought 2-weeks worth for each BOB.  $2.50 if I remember correctly when I bought them in 2011

Mainstay ER 1200 for $3.75

 

I am not promoting that website in anyway.  I do not have the link to the website I originally purchased mainstay from as my old computer has bit the dust taking my bookmarks with it.

 

Also something we utilize frequently, the local LDS for food storage needs.  Extremely cheap and they are not promoting products for 'end of the world' or 'preppers fad'. Its just something they have always done.

list of distribution centers here

They do not proselytize and the best part is, they offer use of their canning tools for FREE!  #10 cans and lids can be purchased at those locations as well.  

 

EDIT: just called the LDS center here in the Houston area; they no longer offer the canning tools or #10 cans. Everything is pre-packaged now back in Utah and sent out to their warehouses.  this sucks...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:23 | Link to Comment max2205
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And barry sent them 100k....syrian beheaders get 300 million....good job barry

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Seer
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Actually, that's a very good bit of sarcasm there.  It's why I don't jump on the Bitcoin bandwagon.  I approve of the concept, it's just the infrastructure side of things (having been fairly close to things having to do with it) that makes me more than a little nervous: the Internet does have key gateways that can be controlled, and, well, there are times when "our national security is at stake".... 

Just getting simple wire transfers of money to the Phils can be dicey.  And the high levels of corruption... I'm pretty sure that they'd force the routing of stuff to some "secure place," you know, protect it from falling into the hands of the rebels in the south.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:23 | Link to Comment bvocal
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Besides the FACT that a huge amount of people were eveacuated... Do you have any idea of where we are talking about? It's a f@cking island a 1000 miles from nowhere, jerk.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:37 | Link to Comment nasa
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Like everyone in the world can just load up the Yukon XL and drive to safety.  

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:05 | Link to Comment Helvetico
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You don't quite understand Third World infrastructure, do you?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment q99x2
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Dear, lolmao500 M'Fer.
"Whoever was in charge of this should hang."

Dudes name is God, Yahweh, Jehobah. Some say the name can't or shouldn't be pronounced others due to their public hubris won't pronounce it. One of his attributes is usually felt when anger turns to sadness.

P.S. I heard that the reason so many died during Katrina was from Government intervention on behalf of a bankster funded group of mercenaries that came in to rape and pillage. Their main purpose was to acclimate US Citizens to FED imposed martial law and a banking takeover of the United States of America.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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"I heard that the reason so many died during Katrina was from Government intervention on behalf of a bankster funded group of mercenaries that came in to rape and pillage."

 

Don't forget the bang-up job the US Army Corp of Engineers did with the lake dikes years before.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 17:07 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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How about those local and state politicians who bought votes with those tax receipts and bond issues, rather than fixing the fucking dikes and pumps? How about the hordes of big easy fuck heads who voted for them for decades on end?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:48 | Link to Comment Bangin7GramRocks
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8 scariest words in the English language. "I'm from Monsanto and I'm here to help"

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:23 | Link to Comment IndyPat
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I'm from the IMF and I'm here to help.

Try that one on.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:07 | Link to Comment Everyman
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That is the problem in heavily overpopulated third world countries, ....  NO INFRATRUCTURE to deal with disaster.  Our days are coming. 

They have trouble just keeping food on the table.  The deaths "from this storm" will continue with more storm related deaths.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:38 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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America, thru the dollar as reserve currency and the petro-dollar, has effectively stolen the wealth of the rest of the world, especially the 3rd world.........our days are coming

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Keyser
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Perhaps you should go talk to the arabs... 

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:48 | Link to Comment Population Bubble
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They will find food.  Given their headhunter genetics Philippinos are just one disaster away from making use of "strange meat".

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Seer
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I'm looking through my scope now, looking for that spot between your eyes...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment Population Bubble
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Why, are you hungry?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:02 | Link to Comment Seer
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I don't eat shit.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 16:02 | Link to Comment Population Bubble
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There's nothing wrong with putting meat on the table for your family.  If the option is starvation we will all do it.

The pre-industrial practice of cannibalism in Polynesia and Indonesia made sense, as it kept the populations of those areas in check.  Without modern technology those islands are not suitable for sustaining the populations they have today.  Cannibalism was sanctioned by the native tribes because it was environmentally and socially preferable to over-population which in a difficult growing environment resulted in periodic famines.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Vendetta
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just pull the trigger already.  thank you

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Non Passaran
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The country is not overpopulated.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:08 | Link to Comment FoodStampPrez
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More death and destruction = more foreign aid for the leaders of the country to steal.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:57 | Link to Comment rwe2late
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not just aid-for-debt, but resources etc. for the 'disaster capitalists' of Western nations to steal and extort.

(e.g. Haiti & Iraq).

 

And yes, corrupt local leaders will be found, promoted, and protected, even by armed intervention if need be.

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:32 | Link to Comment Seer
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Yup.  Sad.  That's what happens wherever there is a power center.

Best is to send directly to families (you know) or agencies that you trust.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:09 | Link to Comment granolageek
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Yanno, folks here might reconsider the whole "bullets beans bullion" thing. Once the beans are covered with salty mud, you're hand cleaning bullets to protect, ahh, that would be "nothing", and being able to eat that gold would beat the crap out of carrying it a few tens of miles through mud to where someone might actually take it in trade for food.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:36 | Link to Comment CaptainObvious
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You know you're a complete dipshit, right?  The kind of people who subscribe to the beans, bullets, and bandaids philosophy are not the kind of people who choose to settle down permanently in an area known to have historical catastrophic storms that kill thousands.  That is like the first thing they check after population counts.  Do me a favor and go eat a bag of shit.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment Seer
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"are not the kind of people who choose to settle down permanently in an area known to have historical catastrophic storms that kill thousands."

Even wealthy people have been known to be full of hubris, to be stupid.

Contrary to all the control freaks out there you can NOT control everything.  As soon as you think you're protected from all the black swans you'll discover that you missed something.

Not everyone can stettle in fortresses, and stockpile beans ammo and gold.  And, well, I keep thinking about those 750 MILLION folks in India living on $0.50/day, I mean, that's staggering to contemplate.

The meek shall inherit the earth. (does everyone else escape in rocket ships, by the hand of God? [later seems to conflict with the notion of God supporting the meek])

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:18 | Link to Comment CrashisOptimistic
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You have a point, but do not rest assured it is a great one.

I am usually displeased with prep talk after disasters because they all focus on "until it all returns to normal".  This is why I hate talk of zombies.  Zombie talk just makes the talk non serious.

The correct perspective is FOREVER.  Not "until things get back to normal".  If FOREVER is the focus, then the people who look for where to walk might very well choose a spot that gets frequent storms -- because storms are not the biggest threat to your life when the SHTF, people are.  It is people who will wait til you sleep to come kill you and take your preparations.

So going to the cold areas and the stormy areas makes sense.  Fewer people.  Then time passes and the threat dies (people die) and you can leave those spots.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:40 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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In this kind of situation, bullets are the most valuable thing you can have - to protect whatever food/water you have and/or to get the food and water you need. 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:23 | Link to Comment RobD
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Beans(or other dry goods such as corn, wheat and rice) need to be stored in sealed containers(mylar bags in food grade buckets or barrels with oxygen removed) therefore salty mud would not be a problem.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:55 | Link to Comment Seer
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I'm reply here not because of what you wrote, but because of your avatar and seeing it here in this discussion.  I've got a picture of Spam displayed in a resutrant food case that I took down in Manila.  And that was in one of the wealthiest areas in the Philippines- the Makati district.

Speaking of Makati... this picture kind of says it all (Makati is a financial district)

http://www.trekearth.com/gallery/Asia/Philippines/NCR/Manila/Makati/phot...

I think that billboard in the back might be advertizing skin whitening cream.  It all makes me pretty ill...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:59 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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Looks like Dhaka, only cleaner.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Seer
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Depends on whether there's been a recent flood or not.

But, yeah, most people don't have a clue.  It's worse around where my wife comes from, though her neighborhood is a bit better off than the immediate surrounding areas.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:09 | Link to Comment Yes_Questions
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Fucking Typhoons

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:16 | Link to Comment rehypothecator
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It's just God just doing Goldman Sach's work.  

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:30 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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Or perhaps LulzSec finally took hold of HAARP.

Over.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:46 | Link to Comment Non Passaran
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I'm sure you're right - the Phils is surely #1 on their on their list of targets.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:02 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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Mayhem is mayhem. Plus I heard that that fucker is hard to steer. The steering wheel has too much play in it.

Over.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment arkel
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At least they can now stimulate the economy and have GDP growth of 10 percent.
Happy days are here again.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:24 | Link to Comment Seer
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Obviously folks missed the sarcasm (which would be targeted at Krugmanesque thinking).

About "10%," though, 10% of Philippine GDP is based on remittances.  As global contraction sets in they'll see a big drop here.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:15 | Link to Comment DeliciousSteak
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That's the problem with survivalists, they think they'll survive anything, and even if they wanted to leave they can't because they have tons of gold sitting around under the floor.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:27 | Link to Comment 25or6to4
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@del steak
And your plan? Wait around and hope FEMA comes to your rescue?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:44 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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You're a dipshit. One of the attractive features of gold is its portability. A pound of gold is worth more than $15000. You could easily carry $150-200K worth of gold from your wrecked house to wherever you go next.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 19:36 | Link to Comment scrappy
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We are all survivalist's friend, it's the mirage of system we are in that tries to tell us otherwise. The veil is being lifted - What do you see? On a long enough timeline...

 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment oak
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sorry to say, Aquino and abe are the worst leaders among the west pacific ocean nations.          

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:29 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Pray tell, who are among the best?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Seer
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Yup.  I'm thinking that it's a violation of logic to include in one sentence the word "leader" and "best." (unless it goes like this: It is Best to have No Leaders)

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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everyone knows Dick Cheney because he got his house removed from Google earth

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment Seer
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Whoa, noway!  Really?  If that doesn't reek of "all are equal except some are more equal than others" I don't know what does.

And meanwhile google et al are lashing back against the NSAs snoopings?

And here I go again with my dispensing of wisdom: "Big Clusterfuck" is redundant, if it's BIG, then, by default, you can be sure it's a clusterfuck.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:19 | Link to Comment ncdirtdigger
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This is proof that Muhamed is not pleased with the Phillipinos.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:26 | Link to Comment Bearwagon
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"The Islam is a putrescent cadaver." Mustafa Kemal

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:41 | Link to Comment Capitalist
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90% of the population is Christian you dumb fuck. More than the US.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment Seer
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Who are these "Phillipinos" that you speak of?

(spelling errors aside, you Were trying to be sarcastic, no?)

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment AU5K
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It would be classy of ZH to put links on how to help, and not just report the misery.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:21 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Do ya think??

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:26 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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Most charities are a scam these days.... 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:31 | Link to Comment Flakmeister
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Impeccable logic on your part...

I suppose it is a bit more intellectually honest than to say that it was God's will that certain ones lived and certain ones died...

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 12:20 | Link to Comment TBT or not TBT
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Most nonprofits are comfy perches for their founders and other successful squatters of the thing. They can do some good, but you have to look at their methods and percent of revenues that go to end results

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment Seer
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Bullshit.

I volunteered and was on the board at a local commuinty bicycle shop.  No one was paid.  EVERYTHING went to meeting our stated mission.  Since it's not been my mission in life to scrutinize vast numbers of not-for-profit entities I really cannot say what is "normal" or not.  Same can be said of trying to classify groups of people, when clearly, there are good people and there are assholes in every group.

Baby.  Bath-water.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment Seer
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Makes it easy to then not bother, doesn't it?

Seems the more usable information might have been to point on the ones NOT in your "Most" basket.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 11:52 | Link to Comment Population Bubble
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Get used to this sort of thing, only worse. This bubble is popping.

Look at all that shit scattered around.  People and their stuff. Even in a relatively remote country like the Philippines it is all over the place.

Man cannot make war on nature without making war on himself.

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