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...because it's always what's not said that matters...

 

 

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Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:20 | 4141688 Pig Circus
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This was read on Fox's Special Report last night:

 

This message came to us from Bill in Kentucky. 

 

"Putting things in perspective: March 21st 2010 to October 1 2013 is 3 years, 6 months, 10 days.  December 7, 1941 to May 8, 1945 is 3 years, 5 months, 1 day.  What this means is that in the time we were attacked at Pearl Harbor to the day Germany surrendered is not enough time for this progressive federal government to build a working webpage.  Mobilization of millions, building tens of thousands of tanks,  planes, jeeps, subs, cruisers, destroyers, torpedoes, millions upon millions of guns, bombs, ammo, etc. Turning the tide in North Africa,  Invading Italy, D-Day,  Battle of the Bulge, Race to Berlin - all while we were also fighting the Japanese in the Pacific!!  And in that amount of time - this administration can't build a working webpage."

 

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report-bret-baier/blog/2013/11/08/here-email-i-read-air-tonight

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:29 | 4141714 A Nanny Moose
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It all serves a purpose.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:35 | 4141726 nmewn
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Yep.

Medicaid Enrollment is Soaring with Obamacare

http://www.seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Medicare/2013/20131107_Medicaid%20Enrollment%20is%20Soaring%20with%20Obamacare.htm

And of course, only the heartless would take away "the poors" Medicaid. Actually, Obama just defined them as poor. Grow dat gubmint...its job security ;-)

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:38 | 4141738 CH1
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Pointing out hypocricy is fine, but until people stop obeying, nothing will change.

Why should it?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:43 | 4141750 Pure Evil
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That time frame back in the 40's was used to kill millions of people as opposed to Obamacare which is supposed to help.......oops.....my bad.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:11 | 4141831 Steve in Greensboro
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Obama lied. Healthcare died.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:15 | 4141840 Skateboarder
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"I'm sorry," the first golfer replied.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:37 | 4141879 Manthong
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..do the dumbo's on the token guilt figure have a certified co-efficient of lift?  

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:53 | 4141905 Fish Gone Bad
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The one with the horse face does.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:44 | 4142019 markmotive
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If Steven Seagal is even badmouthing the Obama regime then it can't be good!

http://www.planbeconomics.com/2013/11/steven-seagal-obama-regime-very-go...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:04 | 4142041 Anusocracy
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I vote for government

I don't vote for government.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 03:24 | 4142188 Richard Chesler
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The executive is nothing more than the PR branch of the global criminal banking cartel. Why is there a monkey between the other 2 corrupt scumbags?

I dId hot run for office...... HAHAHAHAHAHAH...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 03:36 | 4142197 Decolat
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I quit smoking this week. One less thing to fear! The brainwashing behind cigarettes makes a person realize how easy it is to be manipulated. .gov will literally kill you for cigarette taxes and sickcare enslavement. What else have I been manipulated into doing/wanting? Often.. it feels like Everything. There are so many methods of crowd control, but most of them are in my own head. (How did they get in there??) But I believe i'm now a step closer to waking up and finding genuine truth. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 04:25 | 4142211 SHRAGS
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Wecolme to the journey brother,  you have just started to wake up.  What you have sensed is just the tip of the iceberg, it's far bigger than you can imagine.  And yes, the true genius is the science behind using our minds against ourselves.  Here's a good starting point: The Handbook of Human Ownership - A Manual for New Tax Farmers

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 04:57 | 4142218 Decolat
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Thanks, I will check it out. The endless surveilence and bullshit propaganda of the country tells me that nation states are indeed giant plantations, and the little people are the slaves/livestock.

"To make a contented slave, it is necessary to make a thoughtless one. It is necessary to darken his moral and mental vision, and, as far as possible, to annihilate the power of reason." - Fredrick Douglass

'A nigger should know nothing but to obey his master - to do as he is told to do. Learning would spoil the best nigger in the world. Now, if you teach that nigger how to read, there would be no keeping him. It would forever unfit him to be a slave.' - Captain Auld, Fredrick Douglass's former master

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 06:49 | 4142260 new game
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i smoke american spirits organic-cig smoking is a pleasure i indulge as is sex w/opposite sex.

somehow you equate it to propagana and the other shit going on around us. glad you quite but i think you will be smoking again. you need to quite for the right reasons...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 07:59 | 4142288 Running On Bing...
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hopefully he will prove you wrong.

the best way to say *fuck you* to the Obamacare is to not pay for it, but more importantly, not need to use it. be smart about your choices.

Stay healthy.

Over.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 06:32 | 4142256 StandardDeviant
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That's serious indeed, MM.  But we'll only know it's really over when Chuck Norris speaks up.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:26 | 4141859 Long-John-Silver
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Obama lied. Healthcare died.

 

and you got a new tax to go with it.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:00 | 4142114 Tall Tom
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"I will not raise taxes on anyone who earns less than $250,000 per year."

 

~Barack "the Racist, Lying, Cheating, Thieving, Murdering, Homosexual, and Total Asshole***" Obama.

 

***I can prove any of those descriptive adjectives.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:39 | 4141883 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Cloward & Piven , Everything 's working fine ya'll were just gettin started..

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:06 | 4142049 forwardho
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Yes, overwelm the system with millions of dependents, then cut them all off.

Top down, bottom up, inside out... and yes we are at the point where a complete shut-off will get the ball rolling.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:59 | 4142157 holgerdanske
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Exactement!

You .ave .it your .head on the nail!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:47 | 4141743 akak
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And don't forget that Medicaid, unlike Medicare, is means tested for both income and assets, meaning that all those (particularly middle class seniors) forced from Medicare into Medicaid under the ACA will by law be drained of virtually all of their savings and assets (minus their house, if they own one).  This insidious federal confiscation of private wealth mandated under Obamacare has not been given nearly the full exposure that it deserves.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:02 | 4141808 LawyerScum
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Medicare pays 100% of the costs for 20 days in a nursing home.  The average nursing home stay is 2+ years at an average cost of $50,000/year.  I expect due to central planning by the dipshits we vote into office continuously, these costs will skyrocket in the future.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:56 | 4141912 Fish Gone Bad
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That is sooooooo f'd up.  It costs less to be in nursing home than in prison?  That has got to be wrong somehow.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 09:17 | 4142354 Chief Kessler
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Sounds to me like all the Medicare and Medicaid boomers are whining like a bunch of Snap card carrying minorities, oops my bad, 50% of Snappers are red state trailer trash.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:19 | 4144708 sylviasays
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Don't feed the Obamatron brainwashed trolls 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:03 | 4141927 skipjack
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If you are 65 you are in medicare, period. You can't be moved to medicaid...therefore, your statement does not apply to seniors, just to all those forced into medicaid who are under 65.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:19 | 4141961 akak
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My understanding (which may be incomplete or incorrect) is that that has changed, or will be changed, under the directives of the ACA, and that seniors CAN, and at least in certain cases WILL, be shunted from Medicare into Medicaid, or alternately that the means-testing of Medicaid will be applied (again, at least in some circumstances) to those currently on Medicare.  But I welcome any comments from those more knowledgeable on the matter.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:02 | 4142038 Imminent Crucible
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You are correct, akak. In fact, there were already circumstances in which Medicaid was applied in seniors-only households even before PPACA.

"Medicaid provides health coverage to more than 4.6 million low-income seniors, nearly all of whom are also enrolled in Medicare."

http://www.medicaid.gov/Medicaid-CHIP-Program-Information/By-Population/...

Means-testing does apply in these cases, and I was told by the local Medicaid officer that seniors are encouraged to "spend down" to qualify.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:19 | 4141968 Harbanger
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"You can't be moved"  You can and will be moved wherever they decide to move you skipjack.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:45 | 4142018 Pure Evil
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You can be moved to medicaid if you end up in a nursing home for long term care. Medicare only helps pay for the first 100 days per year but will not pay for long term care. After that you either spend down assets if you have any and then move on to medicaid to pay for the nursing home stay. If you have any assets you can shelter them before going onto medicaid but you only end up giving them to some insurance company in the form of annuities.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:48 | 4142023 akak
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What if a senior citizen were to "shelter" some or all of their assets in physical gold, and pass it on to their heirs, either before or after going into long-term nursing home care, "under the table" as it were?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:07 | 4142050 Imminent Crucible
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SHHHHHH!  Whatsa matta U? Of course you don't blab about it.

Medicaid Boss-lady said, "If people transfer assets to say, adult children in order to qualify, they must be very careful how they do it" nudge, nudge, wink, wink, "as CMS looks carefully at these sorts of issues. Sometimes. So to speak."

No mention of gold in particular.  I mean, who has any?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:19 | 4142054 Pure Evil
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That would be considered a gift for tax purposes. And in the state of Florida anyone that gifts any financial assets can be denied Medicaid for 5 years. (Note: I'm only familiar with Floridian laws.)

Now, as you state the transfer is under the table, so to speak, and not lost in some tragic boating accident, like the Titanic, then what the state don't know, the state don't know. As long as no one opens their mouths and starts singing like a canary, disgruntled spouse or stupid children, then absent Martial Law and DHS searching everyone's abode for weapons and precious metals, I think no one would be the wiser. Cause who can say what belongs to whom when it comes to PMs.

And, of course since they want to see those financial statements prior to applying for Medicaid, (I think its three to six months, varies from state to state), one would need to start hiding assets in precious metals, gemstones, or other things at least six months in advance, preferably a year. Legally, you're supposed to do it at least 7 years in advance.

But, in order to apply for Medicaid you would need to provide a copy of all financial records for a specified number of months. They just want to verify that a shiite load of money wasn't being moved out of the accounts before someone applied for Medicaid.

Now if the the Medicaid applicant had a spouse or a gay partner, not yet legal in the state of Florida, a specific amount of assets can be sheltered but you would need to visit an elder care lawyer and watch all the money disappear into insurance annuities.

Note: they can only check accounts held in the persons name at financial institutions. If all their assets were in PMs or gemstones they would have no way of knowing they existed. Which, if anything, will be the driving force pushing gold and silver higher over the coming decade as people looks for ways to shelter their wealth. The only other choice is to place all your assets in a trust years before needing any form of government assistance and most people are either loath to do that or refuse to do it.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:25 | 4142075 Harbanger
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Ideally, you raised your kids right and you can trust them with all the $stuff you built for them long before you ever get to that point.  Again, I said Ideally.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:52 | 4142107 Pure Evil
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No you can't. Ideally, you protect yourself. Most kids will dump you in a nursing home rather than deal with having to take care of you in your old age. Believe me, I have spent the last seven years visiting nursing homes and a lot of children don't want the trouble or expense of taking care of their parents in their old age.

Your kids may be adorable when their young but you have no way of knowing how they will behave as they grow into adults. You would think they would take you in in your golden years but they may decide its too much trouble and dump you in an Assisted Living Facility or a nursing home. If you don't believe me check out the number of Assisted Living Facilities or nursing homes in your area.

It takes a lot of money to hire outside help to come in take care of someone and if your children both have to work and have children of their own it may be impossible to take care of you properly especially if you have a physical disability. Not to say that families across America aren't doing that, but the nursing homes and ALF's across America are pretty full.

Now, don't get me wrong, a lot of seasoned citizens in nursing homes are only there for rehabilitation after a hospital stay and then go home after a few months of rehab, but a significant number are there until they pass on. I've seen a lot families dump their parents off never to visit or rarely visit them.

At the same time, some people are beyond the ability of someone to take care of them on a daily basis, especially if the only family members are in their sixties or later. It can become physically impossible to toilet and bath someone that is unable to move on their own without help especially if your old yourself.

You get someone with a stroke or dementia and it can be a burden and exhausting to care for someone 24/7.

I'm not saying a lot of children don't take care of their parents, a lot do, but based upon the circumstances its not always possible. A lot of children can be in denial about the needs of their aging parents. They have cemented in their minds that their parents are nearly indestructible and can't imagine their parents might need help in their later years. So by the time reality rears its ugly head it may be too late to do what's necessary.

You should be preparing now how you're going to be warehoused as my mother says when the time comes. For me a bullet to the head is preferable to spending any amount of time in a nursing home.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:11 | 4142124 dogmete
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But a much better thing to think about is taking good care of yourself -- eating well and getting exercise everyday -- so that you can stay active and useful till you drop dead of natural causes. One need not go to an old person's home, or put the gun to their head. Stay healthy and die in your own house.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:50 | 4142154 Pure Evil
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My only advice is to live hard and die young.

You can't control the future. An accident could leave you moderately disabled. I saw an older lady coming out of a restaurant last year and trip over a cement parking block. She didn't lift her foot high enough and boom she went down hitting her head on the asphalt. I don't know what happened to her after that since I was in the drive thru lane and a mob along with her daughter were coming to her aid.

And I knew of a few old ladies past the century mark living in nursing homes. They still couldn't feed themselves much less bathe themselves or change their own diapers. If your lucky and get a decent roommate in the nursing home, it can be liveable. I know a few people that moved into one in their late 70's or early 80's. I guess they just didn't want to live alone. They were still capable of getting around by themselves but I guess they got tired of the hassle of life on the outside.

Much to the chagrin of those that believe in just taking care of themselves and exercising your body will eventually begin to break down. Your mental faculties will deteriorate and your ability to think clearly will disappear. The brain begins to atrophy and major organs stop regenerating themselves.

Of course there are the lucky few that can survive into their 90's and older with all their faculties about them and can easily take care of themselves. But, for the vast majority, a soylent green factory is the better way to go.

And one place you definitely don't want to get stuck in are the dementia wards. If you have mental disorders or combative dementia the nursing homes aren't required to take you. But, there are still places that warehouse people with mental problems and they keep them behind locked doors just like a prison. They're like the old state run mental institutions but are run by private corporations. I visited one and was blown away by the stench and lack of care. The staff were over worked and under paid.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 02:04 | 4142160 Skateboarder
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You're an asshole if you don't take care of your parents in old age [if they took care of you in young age]. That's all I'll say about it.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 02:28 | 4142165 Harbanger
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I hear you Pure Evil and can understand your stance.  I'm speaking from my personal observation of "ideal".  I wasn't raised in an ideal setting by far.  My parents were fked up hippies and I was raised by my WWII grandparents.  Some years later, circumstance caused my dad to have to put his $stuff in my name.  I didn't take his $stuff, even though I had plenty of things to be angry or vengeful about.  In fact it's all been spent 2 times over taking care of him.  He's living in the Apt below me as we speak, probably getting a BJ from his nurse.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 08:47 | 4142323 Acet
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First and foremost, people have to take care of themselves: healthy eating, exercising, keeping their minds busy, not too much drinking, not too much smoking.

A ton of studies out there show that all sorts of old-age diseases can be avoided or at least delayed for a long time if a person keeps on exercising physically and mentally.

If one takes care of oneself one doesn't burden one's kids with a living-dead husk of a person who can't even clean his/her own ass.

 

Now look at all the land whales driving themselves around in their mobility scooters who get Type-II diabeties in their 30s and just think how those people, thanks to food over-indulgence, are making themselves (if they live long enough) into a huge burden for their kids or the state.

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 10:23 | 4142477 rtalcott
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Mom is almost 95 and turning in to a full time job...but oh well we do what we do.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:19 | 4142127 Tall Tom
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"For me a bullet to the head is preferable to spending any amount of time in a nursing home."

 

You are increasing your odds that you will live in a Nursing Home. People survive Head Shots more often tham you'd like to believe. They end up disfigured, paralyzed, blind, or a vegetable. Look at the last scene of Fight Club. Tyler Durden survives.

 

The Head is Hard Tissue. Bullets do weird things when hitting Hard Tissue.

 

However they Blow apart Soft Tissue. Target the Blood Vessel Rich area of the Lower neck You will Bleed out rapidly. Use a Shotgun with Buckshot to maximize Damage. Or a 357 Magnum to the side of the neck. Use a Hollow Point.

 

Don't botch the job.

 

Personally I will inject 1800 Units of Insulin IM. I do not want to leave too much of a mess for others to deal with.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:57 | 4142156 Pure Evil
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I said it was preferable. Don't take me so literally.

And, by the time you get old it may be too late to off yourself. You may not have the mental acuity to perform the dirty deed. Something could happen and you could find yourself living in a nursing home incapable of killing yourself. I saw a young man that was paralyzed from the neck down and another woman suffering from the same condition.

In that case your only option is to refuse to eat. By law they cannot force you to eat against your will.

No matter how well you plan or take care of yourself sometimes the universe has a perverse sense of humor and throws a monkey wrench into the works destroying all your ill conceived ideas.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 04:45 | 4142214 Hobbleknee
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"Believe me, I have spent the last seven years visiting nursing homes and a lot of children don't want the trouble or expense of taking care of their parents in their old age."

 

That's because you're at nursing homes, get it?  You're at the only places where that kind of behavior can occur.  The majority of old people aren't even there.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 05:12 | 4142225 Hephaestus
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All nursing homes should put up a new sign that reads Daycare.

In the old days the elderly took care of the small children while the other adults worked. Why dont we combine all nursing homes with a daycare? The benifits of this are so astounding that I cant believe it isnt the norm. Its scary trying to find somebody you can trust to watch your kids. In this sick world anyone could be a psyco... even a teenage girl. That wouldn't be a problem anymore. A baby sitter can't get away with abusing your child if there are three dozen old people in the room who know him/her. At the same time it would be very difficult for nusing home staff to get away with anything either. With a constant stream of parents coming in and 40 sets of curious little eyes watching everything theft and abuse would be very hard to hide. Thats just the begining the goodness too. The old have so much to give to children.

Love - Kids need love and so do old people.

Wisdom - 40 people aged 80 carry 3,200 years of life between them. The lessons learned over many many lifetimes have real value if they are heeded.

History - Straight from someone who was really there. Did you ever notice that you can see the world through the eyes of someone you know well? Imagine a six year old with eyes that see 60 years into the past.

Patience - They have the time to really listen and want to hear about everything.

Entertainment - Lots and lots of stories. Tales of high adventure, great loves, and suspense!

 

The children are not coming to the table empty handed either.

Energy- Oh yeah they have that

Spontaneity - Gets kinda boring sitting around waiting to die.

Morale - Kids are twin turbo pick me ups for the elderly.

Health - Just light play can really help here.

Societal reconnection - Who the president is becomes important again. Even if you wont live to see the end of his/her term you dont want them screwing the litte ones who love you.

There is one massive drawback to all this. Well for insurance companies and medicaid anyway. The average in nursing home lifespan would probably triple. But hey its worth the cost. If someone will truly listen to our kids and teach them somthing worth knowing perhaps they wont fuck up the world like we have.

 

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 06:39 | 4142257 StandardDeviant
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Quite right, PureEvil.  Just ask King Lear.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:46 | 4141757 Carl Popper
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Man it is going to be a feeding frenzy at the pig trough while it lasts. Insurance companies, doctors, hospitals.

I stand in awe of the biggest debacle of all time as adverse selection and a Kafka-esque system completely falls apart when the insurance rates are set for 2015.

It will be like the destruction of the Death Star when it explodes.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:53 | 4141778 nmewn
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"...and a Kafka-esque system..."

For the kiddies who don't know what you're talking about...

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122

All we can do is enlighten from here on out.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:46 | 4141892 Manthong
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..embrace your inner Kafka..

let the robot out..

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 09:04 | 4142341 Bearwagon
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I'd like to suggest another read by Kafka: "The Trial"
http://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/7849/pg7849.html

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:50 | 4141898 John J. Yossarian
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Doctors are at the hind tit of this gov't sow. And it's a dried up tit way back there.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:02 | 4141923 Fish Gone Bad
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The more physicians make, the more they are taxed.  It is tough work being a physician, fairly thankless, and can one ever pick up the newest diseases.

No, the people making all the money are the plethora of unionized law enforcement, unionized firemen, and unionized teachers, just to mention a few.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:18 | 4141966 Manthong
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I have 4 (FOUR) MD's in my closest family..

They are pretty much P.O'd with the federal deal and are getting ready to bail..

good luck getting good treatment for your kids.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:34 | 4142139 drendebe10
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No problem. U will be seen by a PA or RN practitioner. And if y think they are as well trained and experienced as a physician, then must think Mickey D`s tastes as good as Ruth Chris`. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 03:48 | 4142198 snr-moment
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I know of a truly big name institution where a virtual MD give orders to a hospitalist, who barely speaks english, to run a code.

All downhill from here folks.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:07 | 4141933 Manthong
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..thar might be a catch -22 thar somewheres..

maybe something to do with a fist full of steaming guts at altitude,

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:59 | 4142035 forwardho
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Yes indeed, millions of voices will cry out... and then be silenced.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:27 | 4142135 Tall Tom
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Do you mean lke the suffering moans and cries of the many hundreds of the suffering and dying people who initially survived the sinking of the Titanic? Do you mean like the "Dead Men Swimming" people whom were not in the lifeboats?

 

How long can you tread Ice Water?

 

Fatten up. It is nearing the time for the kill.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:58 | 4141796 wee-weed up
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"Actually, Obama just defined them as poor."

Uh... correction... Obama just defined them as VOTERS!
 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:04 | 4141812 nmewn
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What little respect I have for "democracy" declines by the minute ;-)

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:45 | 4141891 booboo
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Democracy: the god that failed.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:56 | 4141909 Manthong
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..gee whiz..

 maybe someday the volks vill understand the diff between a state-centric republic and an f'n federal totalitarian dictatorship. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:12 | 4142056 Anusocracy
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One is an evil government that destroys a society over a moderately long time and the other is a more evil government that destroys a society quickly?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:08 | 4142051 Anusocracy
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Homo sapiens: the intelligent animal that failed.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:31 | 4142137 Tall Tom
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Intelligence??? Really?

 

Homicidal and self destructive is more aptly descriptive.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:14 | 4141957 moonstears
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I still like TRUE republics, though...and +1. 

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:37 | 4142000 Manthong
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gee.. if only volks understood the true meaning a federal republic as the founders did.

REPEAL THE FREAKING LOUSY AND CORRUPT 17TH AMENDMENT.

RESTORE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:52 | 4142022 wee-weed up
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A federal republic assumes one will strive to be self reliant and responsible.

The Obama Admin, in defiance of their Constitutional oath... blatantly promises...

"We'll promote policies that give you anything you want in exchange for your vote!"

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:15 | 4142061 Manthong
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help me OB1 Kenobe..

boy,, there is  whole bunch of hidden truh in that cinematic metaphpor.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 16:57 | 4143569 czardas
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Glad Medicaid enrollment is soaring since it's in such great fiscal shape. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:04 | 4142119 The Continental
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Barack H. Obama - AKA Harrison J. Bounel - Deadbeat and Tax Fraud

https://archive.org/details/BarackH.Obama-AkaHarrisonJ.Bounel-DeadbeatAndTaxFraud

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:37 | 4141737 duo
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over 300,000 airplanes, IIRC

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:45 | 4141755 Mike Hunt Hurts
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If the current Administration were in power in 1941 through 1945 we would just now be landing on Omaha Beach this year after several "Glitches" with our war plans.  How do you say Affordable Care Act in German?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:57 | 4141789 Mike Hunt Hurts
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Actually, we would not be landing at Omaha Beach at all - the Germans would be swimming in the Missouri River near Omaha (part of the occupied zone).

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:51 | 4141899 Debt-Is-Not-Money
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"How do you say Affordable Care Act in German?"

UNaffordable Care Act !

/sarc

Calling it a ...care act is obviously deceptive and disingenuous. It's insurance, not "care". When it comes time for "care" to be delivered we'll find out how screwed we really are.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 12:45 | 4142851 RiseOfTheMachines
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Actually the Germans have universal healthcare. Unlike the US it's well run for the benefit of its citizens. 

The US system is ranked 38th in the world even though it has the highest cost. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems

I have personal insight to both systems. In the US there are so many vested interestes. The government has been corrupted by these vested interests and fails to do its job. The problem is not Big Government but Bad Government. Also individuals are responsible for letting themselves get so fat and unhealthy or following the hippie "we are all free do what ever we want" dream and destroying a culture where parents looked after children when they were young and kids looked after their parents when they were old. 

The US during WWII was a highly centrally managed economy. It was possibly as Big as Big Government gets. The difference was it was also Good Government and well managed. If you were a vested interest who was trying to corrupt the system chances were you were thrown in prison.

Tearing down the existing system hoping something better will replace it a big gamble. Typically you end up with a dictator and an even worse situation. The French Revolution and Russian Revolutions were followed by decades of bloodshed only to be replaced with dictorships in turn. 

The materialistic culture where citizens have been reduced to consumers with no responsibilites is a dead end. A nation needs to be built on soemthing more.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:59 | 4141795 LetThemEatRand
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"This was read on Fox's Special Report last night:..."

Guys working in garages can make a working webpage.  This was not a failure.  It was intentional.   There is a crash coming.  Obamacare is already being blamed for things that happened before it was passed.  I'm not defender of Obamacare which is an abject failure, but the end game is convincing the sheeple that the problem is that they need to get by on their own and that the crash is the result of the government and not the oligarchs who control it.   Obamacare is a shining example that even much of the Blue Team must admit was a mistake.  The next President will be wrapped in the flag and selling the idea that our oligarch overlords are too restricted by elected government.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:27 | 4141858 Buckaroo Banzai
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It is quite obvious that Obama was put in place to destroy the economy, the social institutions, and the morale, of the American people.

You are quite correct to point out that whoever comes on January 20th, 2017, will almost undoubtedly be worse for the country-- assuming that the federal government as it is currently constituted, remains intact.

It may be as you suggest-- someone following Obama, claiming to "rescue" us, if only he could be entirely freed from the shackles of the Constitution.

However, I think it is also entirely possible that Obama declares himself "President for Life." I mean, why wouldn't he? If they can get the economy entirely collapsed within the next 2 years, the Free Shit Army will almost certainly comprise over 50% of the electorate, giving him the "mandate" he would rely on to enact the unthinkable.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:33 | 4141867 LetThemEatRand
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"I think it is also entirely possible that Obama declares himself "President for Life.""

Possible if there's a major war before he leaves office.  But more likely the next guy who will have a mandate from the people.  The major war is more likely to occur after Obama is long gone, and the war can be blamed on Obama.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:44 | 4141887 Buckaroo Banzai
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Major war? Maybe. However, I think any sufficiently traumatic crisis will do. If Obama gets the economic collapse he is obviously looking for, that will probably do nicely. Or how about a false-flag terrorist attack? Preferably an OKC-style event that can be pinned on the "Patriot community"?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:49 | 4141896 LetThemEatRand
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I hear you.  I thought the same thing about Bush, and then they ushered in Obama.  I think their timeline is longer than Obama's term.  Too many people would stand against Obama.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:11 | 4141948 fonzannoon
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yeah I really believe a 3rd party candidate will underdog his/her way into the next election and pull off the upset. they may even sound like the Ron Paul type we all want. But it won't be our salvation. It will be a giant leap in our fascist future..

I just can't see us going with the typical red team or blue team candidate next go around.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:12 | 4142059 Skateboarder
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I hope to probability you are in the correct, fonz. Still does not solve the banker issue - they'll have a nigga shot at their whim like they've always have. Fucken spineless bastard scum.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:23 | 4142071 Imminent Crucible
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"shot at their whim"

.....and blame it on some hapless Tea Party drone with Obonzo Derangement Syndrome.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 05:35 | 4142239 Hobbleknee
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They still have to have a woman president and a gay/lesbian president before the sheeple finally tire of the circus and realize they're all the same and there is no change.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 07:50 | 4142283 sagerxx
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Is that you, Hillary?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 07:40 | 4142278 RSloane
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The political/MSM machine will make a third party candidate impossible until people actively, and by actively I mean in the streets, demand it. The party faithfuls are strong both in numbers and ignorance.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 05:36 | 4142240 Hapa
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O'Blasphemy is going for economic collapse.  That is a much easier vehicle than a major false flag.  False flag could get out of hand, so what better way to bring society to its knees than a money problem.  Remember, these guys have a playbook and lots of time to engineer the downfall.  They are not in a hurry.  They've been at this game for a long time, and each generation has been taught to cool their heels.  Many of them have itchy fingers, but the top cabal are all about preserving their elite status for time immemorial.  They see themselves as Caesars and have long range vision. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 07:30 | 4142272 Hobbleknee
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And yet, they couldn't even make a fake birth certificate.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 07:44 | 4142281 RSloane
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No one said they're very bright, but they are very very committed.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:08 | 4141940 MisterMousePotato
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I used to think statements such as this utterly preposterous; however, in another thread a day or two ago, I came across this bit of wisdom:

Bailouts are unconstitutional, but they happened anyway, so we see that it is really just the character of the American people that gives the Constitution its power, and the American people lacked the character to stop the bailouts. It is almost as if character devolution were part of some plan.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:48 | 4142024 donsluck
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It may be an accident, if people who allowed the soft invasion by Mexico by not enforcing immigration laws at the employer level didn't realize the affect 10s of millions of people used to completely corrupt government would have on our government.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:06 | 4142039 LetThemEatRand
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"I used to think statements such as this utterly preposterous..."

Me, too.  And not that long ago.  Now I am the one making those statements.  Strange world.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:25 | 4142076 Anusocracy
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Morality of the American people.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 06:03 | 4142252 lakecity55
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Hitler held a plebiscite after attaining the Chancellorship which resulted in over 85% of the voters giving him Absolute Power.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 08:45 | 4149274 Optimusprime
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Hitler genuinely cared about the welfare of Germans (his own people), and was willing to bypass the Zionist banking system.  Neither of those two features characterize anyone in the Western political pantheon these days.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:34 | 4141873 kchrisc
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Either way, they still get your money: pay the insurance companies or pay the government.

"Heads you owe them, tails they take your money."

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 17:03 | 4143580 czardas
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My oldest son, an Obamite idiot, thought everyone should have "free" health care.  He just turned 27 and called while ago.  "I have to pay 180 effing dollars every month.  It's not effing fair!"  I told him he could always pay the penalty and not carry insurance.  The real world is a great teacher.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:29 | 4141992 ebworthen
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Fucking over three generations of legal citizens is a lot more work than going to war.

Be patient, they'll have our kids and grandkids fighting another pointless war to distract from the loss of Liberty at home 'ere long.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 09:14 | 4142352 Mi Naem
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WOW! 215 thumbs up (as of 8:10AM Mon 11/11). 

You're gonna run out of green digits Pig Circus - better call the Feral Reserve (not misspelled) .

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 13:06 | 4142897 RiseOfTheMachines
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The US Government during WWII was possibly as big as big government gets. It was possibly as centrally planned as possible. Why did it work ? It was simply good government.

Today's system is corrupted by vested interests and is failing to function.

Reform the lobbying system. Cap campaign contributions. Once someome enters politics they should not be allowed to rotate back in to the private sector. 

There is plenty of blame to go around.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 13:22 | 4142952 RiseOfTheMachines
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You can have

Big Government and Good government

Small Government and Good government

you don't want

Big Government and Bad Government

Small Government and Bad Government

My personal inclination was towards Small Government but after seeing what Thatcher did to the working class communities in England and the elevation of greed I'm not so sure anymore. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:19 | 4143218 Mi Naem
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Man, you gotta be stoned. 

Government was NOT "good" during WWII, ours may have been somewhat less crappy than others. 

They distorted commodities markets whacking out prices and creating false shortages,

they propagandized virtually the entire populace to bow to the growing leviathan (from which we've never recovered),

they created millions of make-work jobs,

they took the women out of the homes to put them into the workplace then shat on them when the war was over,

they failed to realize we actually were fighting Stalin and Churchill's war until the commies had 1/2 of Europe and most of Asia...

A solid list of one liner examples would be almost endless. 

WWII was a catastrophe for the entire globe.  The USA just happened to get pretty much the very best part of a really crappy deal because most of the battlefields were somewhere else - this time

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:23 | 4141696 Jendrzejczyk
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"We're not interested in.....ordinary Americans"

 

 

But we're all exceptional so.....?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:25 | 4141702 buzzsaw99
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they drew the guy on the left with tiny little hands perfectly to scale. lulz lulz lulz

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:55 | 4141756 Pure Evil
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And, with his tiny little left hand it looks as if he's reaching for something in his crotch.......

searching for a needle dick perhaps?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:27 | 4141710 nmewn
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Devastating for the Liar-in-Thief...this guy nails it:

"Obama is also a fairly compulsive liar, something that highlights myriad other problems.  That is, whevever he’s caught in a problematic situation (ah, those friends of his), rather than making a clean breast of it, or a good defense, he instead engages in a perfect storm of ever-spiraling affirmative defenses, with the common denominator always being that it’s everyone’s fault but Obamas.

For those who are not lawyers, let me explain what affirmative defenses are.  A complaint contains allegations that the defendant committed myriad acts of wrongdoing.  In response, the defendant does two things.  First, he denies everything except his own name, and he’d deny that too, if he could.  Next, he issues affirmative defenses, which concede the truth of the accusations, but deny that they have any legal or practical meaning.

As an example of how this plays out, imagine a complaint alleging that I smashed my car into a fence, destroying it.  I’d start by saying, “No, I didn’t.”  Then I’d begin the affirmative defenses:  (1) “Okay, I did bring my car into contact with the fence, but I didn’t actually hurt the fence.”  (2) “Okay, I hurt the fence, but I didn’t hurt it badly enough to entitle its owner to any damages.”  (3) “Okay, I destroyed the fence, but it was falling down already, so it’s really the owner’s fault, so he gets no damages.”  And on and on, in a reductio ad absurdum stream of admissions and excuses."

http://www.bookwormroom.com/2013/11/05/having-been-caught-engaged-in-out-and-out-fraud-obama-engages-in-a-familiar-pattern-to-cover-up-his-lies/

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:37 | 4141733 Carl Popper
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I guess Mr. Harrison Bournel did learn something in law achool, AKA Barry Soetoro whose religion was listed as Muslim.

Not that there is anything wrong with being Muslim or changing your legal name in Indonesia. It is just the coverup and lies that bother me......uh oh. I feel a rant coming on.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:47 | 4141761 nmewn
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"It is just the coverup and lies that bother me......uh oh. I feel a rant coming on."

Ain't it the truth.

We told every swingin dick with an observable pulse what this idiot was...so working backwards...he's from fucking Chicago...hello!?!? Chicago!...pay the bribe/tribute/extortion to the city inspector so you can stay in business and feed your family...that Chicago! 

Fuck, I swear.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:56 | 4141766 Pure Evil
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I thought the pointy headed prick was lying about his name. Didn't he change it from Sotero to Obama to get elected by the Free Shiite Army?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:31 | 4141996 Mike Hunt Hurts
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NO - he was elected by the "Free Shit" Army.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 13:40 | 4142521 rwe2late
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 He was vetted and promoted by the  big boys in the back room

(Goldman Sachs et al)

as was the other nominated candidate of the other major party.

 

When election time rolled around, the voters were offered only a stylistic choice, and predictably backed the candidate who pledged (falsely as it turned out) to clean up the mess and "change" things.

The MSM never critically examined the candidates or the nomination process, and was complicit in the deception.

Blaming the public for not overthrowing the system then, or now, is a pointless endeavor. It sidesteps the issue of deception, and mistakenly presumes that there existed a conscious choice to be powerless, jobless, debilitated, uninformed, and policed.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:16 | 4144256 TheReplacement
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In that case, let's have all the Muslims move into YOUR neighborhood.  Yeah, figured there would be something wrong afterall lol.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:48 | 4141762 LetThemEatRand
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Obama's ultimate affirmative defense:  "I'm black.  You are racist for objecting to my policies."

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:54 | 4141783 wee-weed up
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Yep, and his lapdog MSM backs him to the hilt!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:01 | 4141805 LetThemEatRand
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The MSM is owned by a few giant corporations.  They know what they're doing and it is not because they are supporting the black guy.  They are deliberately creating division among the sheep.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:16 | 4141839 nmewn
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Its not just "giant corporations" L...its an alliance OF corporations & government.

Isn't it odd...and an in your face "governance" policy of Obama...that the corporate mandate goes away by HIS fiat...his order...his dictate...his mandate...and no law was EVER passed giving hm the authority to do that...yet, the individual mandate he will not abandon, he lets it stand? 

Like a tyrant.

Thats the little guy...the individual mandate...you & me.

It couldn't be any clearer what he is now.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:17 | 4141843 LetThemEatRand
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No doubt at all the giant corporations took over the government.  But the average guy doesn't see that.  So when the epic failure occurs, guess who they blame.  It is not GE, and GE knows that.  Divide and conquer.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:27 | 4141861 nmewn
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ALLIANCE.

Dammit L what are you not getting about this? A corporation has no army, no police. It cannot exert its will by force like government can.

Stop feeding government and your "evil corporations" die.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:39 | 4141877 LetThemEatRand
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King and Queens and Lords and Dukes throughout history would probably disagree with you.   A Constitutional government that allows the little guy to band together protects us from these guys.  These guys want government to fail.  And as for no private armies, ask Xe f/k/a Blackwater about that.  And who owns all of the plants and technology to build weapons?  Ask Halliburton, GE, Boeing, Lockheed Martin, etc.  They are currently funded by our tax dollars, but they own the patents, the plants, the technology, etc.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:42 | 4141885 nmewn
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And what of Princess Obama's Individual Mandate...what do you think of that?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:46 | 4141890 LetThemEatRand
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Part of the plan to turn his own voters into supporters of the fascist who will replace him.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:52 | 4141902 nmewn
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Answer my question.

What do you think of his exempting corporations and not individuals without any law being passed giving him the authority to do so? 

Is he acting as a tyrant or not?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:56 | 4141913 LetThemEatRand
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He's acting as a corporate controlled leader, exempting the corporations who own him.   The true tyrants are the corporations who exempt themselves through their puppets.  How do you not see that?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:01 | 4141921 nmewn
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If a corporate employee comes on my property to impose its will, without law enforcement, I will shoot him, its posted.

How do you not see that?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:05 | 4141932 LetThemEatRand
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We're having a chicken or egg conversation.   Before elected government, serfs had no private property to defend.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:14 | 4141956 nmewn
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No, you're avoiding the gaddamned question again.

Is it fair, lawful or otherwise appropriate for the asshole you voted for to exempt corporations and not everyone else?

He's picking winners & losers...and once again...the "progressive" statist shit picks power & money under the guise of "helping the little guy" and you want to walk away from it?

Answer me!

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:25 | 4141974 LetThemEatRand
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You're avoiding, not me. 

Obama is not a tyrant.  He is a puppet of tyrants, carrying out their will in tyrannical fashion.   When I worked for a medium sized corporation there were middle managers who were tyrants.  Obama is like them and in that sense he is a tyrant.  But the true tyrants are the people he works for.  Why do you defend the people he works for?

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:25 | 4141982 nmewn
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"Obama is not a tyrant."

Thanks, thats what I thought you'd say.

Good night.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:41 | 4142015 LetThemEatRand
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Yes, please ignore everything else I said that disagrees with your premise because your premise is fundamentally flawed and the only way to support it is to take my words out of context.  Good night.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:18 | 4142064 Imminent Crucible
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Yes, good night, guys. Sleep well.

 

 

But Obama certainly IS a tyrant.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:27 | 4142079 LetThemEatRand
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Of the middle management variety.  Sleep well.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 09:18 | 4142358 Imminent Crucible
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.

 

 

 

But I'm going to have the last two words: "marionette tyrant"

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:55 | 4141911 Buckaroo Banzai
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Corporations are, in fact, 100% dependent on the government that chartered them. Publicly-traded corporations are--in today's economic and legal environment--fundamentally socialist, as they are nominally publicly owned, but are effectively controlled by an elite (aka corporate executives) who are in fact the beneficial owners.

This is the key to transitioning the Corporations from National Socialism to International Socialism: they must be huge, international in scope, publicly traded across global markets, with no effective competition, and politicians must be almost entirely reliant on them for their campaign funding.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 22:59 | 4141919 LetThemEatRand
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Corporations existed long before the United States did, and they exist and thrive outside of the boundaries of the laws of the United States.   The current U.S. politicians are their corrupt police force.  Get rid of the police, and the corporations will live on.   

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:04 | 4141929 akak
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Not true, at least not in any form that would be recognizable today --- and with VASTLY less influence and power than they have today as well.

Your left-wing heritage is showing here, LTER --- you continue to erroneously put the corporate cart before the government horse.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:13 | 4141941 LetThemEatRand
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"The East India Company had the unusual distinction of ruling an entire country. Its origins were much humbler. On 31 December 1600, a group of merchants who had incorporated themselves into the East India Company were given monopoly privileges on all trade with the East Indies. The Company's ships first arrived in India, at the port of Surat, in 1608. Sir Thomas Roe reached the court of the Mughal Emperor, Jahangir, as the emissary of King James I in 1615, and gained for the British the right to establish a factory at Surat. Gradually the British eclipsed the Portugese and over the years they saw a massive expansion of their trading operations in India. Numerous trading posts were established along the east and west coasts of India, and considerable English communities developed around the three presidency towns of Calcutta, Bombay, and Madras. In 1717, the Company achieved its hitherto most notable success when it received a firman or royal dictat from the Mughal Emperor exempting the Company from the payment of custom duties in Bengal."

More here.  http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/southasia/History/British/EAco.html 

The United States didn't exist yet, and the East India company was incorporated by a King.  But as today, they had the privilege of not paying taxes.  Funny.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:27 | 4141983 DaveyJones
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a lot of governments existed before the US too. "Corporations," "banks," "energy companies," by their very nature want to control the game and grow as large as possible. It was innevitable that they would grow to global scale. Since mankind started associating, they figured out ways to "govern" and protect themselves from all sorts of things including themselves. You have this backwards.  

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 23:38 | 4142008 LetThemEatRand
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What is backwards is the idea that humanity will ever exist in a free form where there is no "government."  Kings govern and give power to corporations as evidenced by history.  Throughout all of human history, there was never a large group of people that did not have a system of government, forced or elected.  I prefer elected.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:14 | 4142060 Buckaroo Banzai
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It is interesting that you mention the British East India Company. This corporation became so unremittingly awful, that it singlehandledly caused a huge backlash against the corporate legal form in the mid-1700s. Severe restrictions were placed on corporations at that point: time-limited charters (say, 10 years), or charters allowed for only a specific purpose ("to build a bridge across the Hudson River"). This bias against corporations persisted until right after the War of Northern Aggression, at which point, they got to a Supreme Court justice and the rest is history.

Strongly suggest you read "Gangs of America" by Ted Nace. You can download it for free here, he has released it as a public service:

http://gangsofamerica.com/gangsofamerica.pdf

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:26 | 4142072 LetThemEatRand
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Funny how the pendulum swings, with or without elected government.  The oligarchs did not go poor during the period of anti-corporatism.  They and their heirs just sat on their pile and waited for their next opportunity to take over the world.  And here we find ourselves.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 07:36 | 4142277 Apostate2
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Dillon vs Cooley fora US example of who's on first. The rest of your East India Co post is specious for its lack of historic veracity. The East India Co. was challenged by free traders and their so-called monopoly ended. Very quickly.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 00:26 | 4142078 Imminent Crucible
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Thanks for the link, Buckaroo.  Fascinating stuff.

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 13:44 | 4143008 Husk-Erzulie
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Yeah, Thanks Buck,

Outstanding links are half the reason I lurk here :-)

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 01:49 | 4142153 Tall Tom
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Thank you.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:58 | 4141794 nmewn
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See Kafkatrapping above, its a pretty uninspiring "progressive" defense of theft from everyone.

Sun, 11/10/2013 - 21:59 | 4141797 acetinker
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Ah fuck.  Never imagined I'd befriend a lawyer!  Anyway- anyway to legally and lawfully unplug from the mommy/daddy fuck you sideways while tellin' us it's all good empire state?  Pardon me, there are no lawyers anymore- only "attorneys-at-law".

Would you be dis-barred if you shared this info?

Just sayin'.  I'd pay a reasonable rate.

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!