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Meanwhile In The Philippines, There Is "Nothing Left To Loot"

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"We need help!" is the sad handwritten sign hanging outside a shuttered church in the Philippine town of Tacloban surrounded, as Reuters reports, by uncollected corpses and canyons of debris. Demand for relief is huge and despite 66 tons of supplies having landed since Saturday, they are not reaching those who need them the most as "people are roaming around the city, looking for food and water," because aid trucks from the airport struggle to enter the city because of the stream of people and vehicles leaving it. "People are angry. They are going out of their minds," warned one aid-worker as relief was delayed due to security concerns "there might be a stampede," after dark. The terrible state of affairs is summed up by on aid worker, "there is nothing left to loot... even if you have money there is no food to buy. There is nothing here." Police are trying to enforce a curfew...



Some context... (via @colinjones)



The Human Side...

(Via Reuters,)

Tacloban city administrator Tecson Juan Lim says the death toll in this city alone "could go up to 10,000."


At least a dozen U.S. and Philippines military cargo planes arrived on Monday, with the Philippine air force saying it had flown in about 60,000 kg (66 tons) of relief supplies since Saturday. But the demand is huge and the supplies aren't reaching those who need it most.


"People are roaming around the city, looking for food and water,"




Pedrosa, the government aid worker, said security concerns prevented supplies from being handed out after dark.


"There might be a stampede," he said.


The aid truck was guarded by soldiers toting assault rifles. "It's risky," said Jewel Ray Marcia, a Philippine army lieutenant who led the unit.


"People are angry. They are going out of their minds."




Earlier on Monday, said Pedrosa, soldiers fired warning shots into the air to stop people stealing fuel from a petrol station.




People were still emptying one warehouse of rice and loading it onto carts and motorcycles. No police or soldiers stopped them.


A handwritten sign pinned to a makeshift police checkpoint near a looted department store warned of an 8 p.m. to 5 a.m. curfew.


But there is another reason the looting had abated.


"There is nothing left to loot," said Pedrosa.




Officials attribute the high death toll to the many people who stayed behind to protect their property and were swept away in a storm surge of water and lacerating debris.




"My house just dissolved in the water," she said.


Saraza now struggles to feed her children.




"My house is destroyed," he said. "Even if you have money there is no food to buy. There is nothing here."


The Costs...

(via Bloomberg)

Philippine President Benigno Aquino declared a state of calamity to speed aid to communities ravaged by super Typhoon Haiyan




The government has 18.7 billion pesos ($429 million) to fund reconstruction




The 18.7 billion pesos the president mentioned is probably just an initial amount because it’s not going to be enough,” said Jonathan Ravelas, chief market strategist at BDO Unibank Inc., the nation’s largest lender. “Given still low interest rates and huge amounts of liquidity in the domestic market, the government may consider selling bonds to fund the rebuilding.”




The state of calamity will “accelerate the efforts of the government to render aid and to rehabilitate the provinces ravaged by Yolanda,”



Haiyan’s total economic impact may reach $14 billion, about $2 billion of which will be insured, according to a report by Jonathan Adams, a senior analyst at Bloomberg Industries, citing Kinetic Analysis Corp.


Gross domestic product in areas hit by the typhoon may decline as much as 8 percent next year, Finance Secretary Cesar Purisima said in a mobile-phone message, citing preliminary estimates. The regions affected account for about 12.5 percent of the nation’s output, he said.


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Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:07 | 4144218 knukles
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God help them.


Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:11 | 4144234 brewing
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is it looting or surviving...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:14 | 4144243 cougar_w
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It is not looting when the city is flat.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:27 | 4144294 the misanthrope
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it is not looting, which usually means 'goods taken from enemy' or 'illicit gains made by official'.

it is stealing.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:41 | 4144342 ShrNfr
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Uner the circumstances, salvage might be a better term.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:52 | 4144384 cougar_w
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No sorry salvage doesn't carry nearly the proper level of snide self-righteousness.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:58 | 4144409 Popo
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Very soon, the bankers will descend playing the role of saving angels while they lock the government into decades of debt servitude.  Poor bastards.  They'll jump straight out of the frying pan into the fire.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:23 | 4144510 Stackers
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Dont worry the government will help ..................... eventually ............. maybe

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 02:50 | 4145121 mkkby
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Those poor people are behaving pretty orderly for "looters".  Compare that to wal mart customers in the hood.  I'll take Filipino looters over wal mart xmas shoppers any day.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 11:51 | 4146042 TerminalDebt
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They should wait a bit, god will eventually help

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:15 | 4144696 saltedGold
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I'm sure they'll give them an excellent interest rate, you know, out of kindness over this disaster. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:47 | 4144788 Four chan
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like haiti, people will donate billions to red cross and the un, and the victims will get hundreds of thousands.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:55 | 4145047 Manthong
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gee, it would be better if the eye hovered over downtown chicago for a few days.. or weeks..  or months.. or years.. or millennia..

..and the only thing better would be D.C.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 02:00 | 4145052 walküre
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Here's the problem with bankers. They can't help. They create money from debt but other than that, they have no trade. Money is worthless in Tacloban right now. There is nothing to buy. Good luck exchanging paper for goods when the shit hits the fan here. Don't even get me started on virtual currency. You need food and supplies to last you a few very rough days. Stay away from crowds and live rather remote. That's my lesson here.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 02:27 | 4145079 Manthong
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good lesson...

Maybe there are some that wll trough it out during the rough days.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 02:24 | 4145082 NoLongerABagHolder
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I might be going out on a limb here...... but gold is pretty much worthless as well there right now. You think ANYONE would take your gold coin in exchange for drinkable water right now?

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 02:30 | 4145093 Manthong
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lots of potable water in my neck of the woods..

not much tradeable  Au or Ag..  

hey heh...

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:46 | 4144932 The Heart
Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:19 | 4144265 cougar_w
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but God just tried to destroy them. In the absence of any clear link to the science I think "act of God" is how these things are usually referred to.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:46 | 4144360 hmmmstrange
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How do we know which god tried to destroy them and which one wants to help them? Before I start praying I need to get this straightened out. I don't want to do more harm.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:51 | 4144376 cougar_w
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It's a lot worse than that. Around here you offend the wrong God, you get your ass junked. See all the red on my comment.

Look people, you can't have it both ways. Either it's all about God (pick one) or it ain't. And if it ain't ('tisn't) then it's about something else and for my purposes the something else is really really interesting. Enough so that I don't really care what God thinks about it.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:59 | 4144407 James_Cole
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Warming oceans = bigger typhoons, don't need to bring gawd into it.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:01 | 4144423 JohnnyBriefcase
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I'm chillin on the fence.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:02 | 4144431 cougar_w
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God gets blamed for everything. That way, the righteous can go about their business as usual in full knowledge that so long as they are not smitten God must approve.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:32 | 4144893 buckethead
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Prayer is an act we can all contribute, and feel better about having done nothing of substance. 


It's like the fiat currency of good and noble deeds.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:33 | 4145016 Buckaroo Banzai
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Only a fool believes he can even begin to fathom the mind of God.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:36 | 4145021 Flakmeister
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And I think I see one coming now...


Edit: Still waiting for your explanation of the "Cornerstone Speech"....

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 02:15 | 4145072 Manthong
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gee whiz..

not sure if a diety is involved ..

but pretty much knowing that ground level reality gives some certitude. 

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 12:04 | 4146089 Harbanger
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@ Buckaroo.  The answer for why this happens is clear in the Bible.  Satan is the ruler of the earth until the return of Christ.  He was cast down from heaven shortly after God created man.  It's stated in several places.  Here's just 2 that I can think of,

John 5:19, God's Word says that, "the whole world is lying in the power of the wicked one".

Satan is "the god of this system of things", in 2 Corinthians 4:4 ;

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 17:14 | 4147440 buckethead
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Let me get this straight....

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 02:08 | 4145064 thisandthat
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Oh yeah, FT - good old reliable source...

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 08:38 | 4145435 ncdirtdigger
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So when are you 'believers' going to give this 'global warming' god of yours a name?

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 09:24 | 4145530 Al Gorerhythm
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Tue, 11/12/2013 - 10:53 | 4145795 SilverDOG
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Somewhat amazing is the level of denial combat you receive.

Truth is often greeted as such; exceptionally so when truth is simplistic.

I do laugh in amazed disbelief at all of those who deny.


Earth was closest to the sun it will ever be last year and will take 26,000 years to return to apex.

June is when northern hemisphere has longest day.

July's end is the hotest weather of the year.

So... let us think... Earth has closest to sun year 2012.

I bet you next year will be even hotter considering ground and water worldwide is and                                              

will be warmer for next years summer start.

We are closer to the fire as a planet. This means we are closer to the solar system furnace. Any guesses as to the

results of placing anything closer to a heat source, you retards.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:04 | 4144440 Quus Ant
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Look people, you can't have it both ways. Either it's all about God (pick one) or it ain't.

So either God controls everything all the time or it/he/she does nothing?  Hmmm.... I'm going to have to really think about which of the two options you've given me would best suit my purposes.

And I didn't junk you.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:25 | 4144522 cougar_w
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Either/or, that's right. The universe is very clear on this point.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:28 | 4144534 Quus Ant
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How did the universe divulge this information to you?  Or do I have to just believe?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:39 | 4144567 cougar_w
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All in a flash. But in this case it's also okay just to believe.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:06 | 4144671 Quus Ant
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Spoken like a true man of the cloth. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:44 | 4144586 DaveyJones
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cougar used to be a lobbyist

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:29 | 4144735 Dingleberry
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How come the Japanese did not act like this after their tsunami?

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 02:04 | 4145057 walküre
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thanks. my sentiments exactly

so where is this god? oh, he's killing thousands and putting thousands more through extreme misery so that we can feel pity and have a reason to come together and help others? if that's god then it's a pretty sick dude or a calculating bitch.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 10:52 | 4145807 Saro
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"God sends hurricanes to punish people; usually in hurricane-prone areas during hurricane season."

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:30 | 4144306 tmosley
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He better, because Americans can't, anymore.  Our capital base is gone.

If the same thing happened here today, whatever city or cities were hit would probably be abandoned, despite being in better shape than New Orleans post-Katrina.  There is just nothing left to fund rebuilding.  The central bankers have stolen EVERYTHING.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:04 | 4144445 max2205
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GS would love to float those trillion new bonds and short the peso too

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 10:55 | 4145816 Flakmeister
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No, the corporate insiders stole everything...

Did Mitt Romney create $400,000,000 in wealth or did he loot it? Come straight now.... 

Cliffie, being an ideologue doesn't really suit you....

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:14 | 4144688 The Heart
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"God help them."


Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:56 | 4144811 Buck Johnson
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Did you see in the video at the 1:05 mark when the guy was talking the man and woman behind him.  The man to the right gestured to the woman to do something and she didn't do it and then he grabbed her and she went running inside.  Also it doesn't help that most of the cities and towns had buildings that essentially where built with just siding and thats it.  And thank you for the comparison of how big that super typhoon/hurrican was.  If something like that would have hit the US it would have caused major damage also.  It took up all of the country in the US.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:07 | 4144968 Exponere Mendaces
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Interesting - even if you have money (or gold) there's no food to buy, because food has just exceeded the price of fucking shiny metals.

That doomsday scenario may play out much differently than you thought. You know, since we have such an ideal circumstance to draw upon.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:17 | 4144222 Cognitive Dissonance
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We are all just 3 meals away from chaos and despair. What have you done today to prepare.

<Mrs Cog says that if you do just one small thing each and every day you'll be amazed how quickly it all adds up. Preparation is not an action, it's a mindset.>

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:27 | 4144296 DoChenRollingBearing
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Mrs Cog is very wise.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 03:26 | 4145166 Deo vindice
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Preparation is more than just material. It includes spiritual, emotional, and mental as well.

All the material prep without the others won't be of much use.

So an integral part of my preparation for the future involves the aforementioned aspects.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 08:52 | 4145457 DaddyO
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I went to this event and it was packed, something is up and prepping seems to be going mainstream.


Tue, 11/12/2013 - 10:57 | 4145829 Flakmeister
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Yes, to choose to live like a hillbilly is quite a lifestyle choice, not to be taken lightly...

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 12:06 | 4146041 DaddyO
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You know all I saw were well dressed family folks who seemed to be concerned about their ability to weather the storms on the horizon.

Very few Hillbillies were seen, as they are all on some form of .gov assisstance and have no need for responsible lifestyles.

You will not see the FSA at these types of events, they are all at WalMart where their EBT is good, not one vendor at this show would take EBT.

Try again, Douchebag...


Tue, 11/12/2013 - 12:20 | 4146134 Flakmeister
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What can I say, lots of paranoid puppies out there...

Well, duh,of course no hillbillies were seen, they already know how to live of the land without alot of unsustainable technology...

This paragraph at the end says it all:

Finally, at the end of my conversation with John Egger about the rise of "suburban homesteading," a man with a white shock of hair interjected himself into the conversation. "You know what chemtrails are?" he asked, referring to another conspiracist trope that sees chemical tampering in jetstream vapor trails. "They're changing the weather, then selling drought tolerant seeds. George Soros and Bill Gates are behind it." Egger nodded politely and smiled, tolerant of a potential customer's eccentricities.


In other words, a gathering of a bunch of whackadoos more than willing to be fleeced....

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:45 | 4144355 oddjob
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I prepared by eating just 2 meals a day, seriously.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:23 | 4144995 European American
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Self-impossed fasting, is cheaper on the pocket book, healthier on the body and much easier on the Mind, than forced fasting, anyday.

Good practice one day out of the week.

Tame the Mind.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 07:26 | 4145315 Chain Gun Smoke
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I had potato chips for breakfast.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 10:59 | 4145837 SilverDOG
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Creating an imbalance before the cisis, does not place one in an advantageous position.

Exceptionally so with food intake and digestion.

Buy: "Right 4 your Type" -D'Adamo and see just what your body needs.

Not what your body can tolerate.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:52 | 4144382 joego1
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I think that the Philippines is a perfect example of how much help the government is in a disaster. I was thinking about what I would do in that case. I think you would have to have a steel boat with provisions anchored to the ground with 200' foot of chain to get through that one.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 03:55 | 4145188 BringOnTheAsteroid
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The government is just a bunch of people in the same boat. We 'very bred generations of useless humans who need to look to an authority for comfort, help and guidance. We really are, collectively and on the whole a useless bunch.

Who is going to help US when the SHTF. Nobody. We're on our own and will learn some very harsh realities, very quickly. The socialists will be whining and the Christians will be praying. I'll be looking forward to a demonstration of love your enemy when you go to turn your tap on at home and nothing happens.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 06:18 | 4145278 Lore
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It's too bad Filipino-Chinese relations are not warmer, as the Chinese have abundant experience domestically with major natural disaster cleanup and recovery.  As it stands, they are reportedly coughing up about $200K, which won't go far, even converted into Phillippine pesos. The Americans will make a big show of sending over ships and marines.  It's shameful how often politics, prejudice and optics (among other things) trump noblesse oblige.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 18:40 | 4147702 RobertC
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The US ships will bring disaster recovery teams (DRT)  medicine, food, water, electricity and disaster recovery experience.  Eventually, I expect to see one of the hospital ships to sail there...  How the fuck is that politics?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 23:29 | 4152930 Lore
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I refer to tension between Phillipines and China, but be sure that publicity is a significant factor for all involved.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:40 | 4144570 greatbeard
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>> What have you done today to prepare.

I've got a full batch of poblano peppers dehydrating.  I've got 25 Brussels sprouts, 25 broccoli, 25 Chinese cabbage and 25 hybrid cabbage in the biodome sprouter ready to go into the ground after the next frost in a couple of days.  Two rows of onions from bulbs in the ground, two more rows, possibly three, sprouting in a seed bed from seeds, 50' row of rutabaga, 50' row of turnips, 50' row carrots and a 50' row of beats.  Strawberries are just starting to put on.  Just blanched and froze 7 two cup portions of prepped bell peppers.  Other than that, not much.  Doing some painting and cleaning.  Getting set to start canning turnip greens.  I wasn't aware you can top turnips several times before harvesting the turnip bulbs.  Oh, and I played with the dogs a whole bunch.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:51 | 4144610 Mrs. Cog
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nice :-)

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:01 | 4144652 thisandthat
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Dig your avatar ;)

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:25 | 4144692 DaveyJones
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I don't have the land, but I have taken over some common area in my development and have 100 feet (all covered) of at least twenty greens: eight different kales, red cabbage, fava bean, radish, turnip greens, red mustard, green onion, chard, leeks, pak choy, mizuna, mibuna, burnett salad, gai lan, endive, spinach, and some others.  Also built an 8 X 8 greenhouse in the front yard and got the neighbors (and development) to approve. It's amazing how much food you can produce. Even in the winter. I love winter gardening almost more now. It gets me through the season. We eat a very large salad each night with at least twenty items, usually a cut apple from the neighbors, some curry, organic honey, mustard, melted coconut oil and some toasted sesame seeds. I have about six neighbors now gardening in their yards.

I figure I can't outspend them, so I will kill Monsanto one yard at a time.

and it hurts the bankers too  

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:32 | 4144748 Dagny Taggart
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Bravo Davey. You're ZH's own guerilla gardener.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:01 | 4144824 The_Prisoner
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You and I, sir, are brothers in arms.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 02:14 | 4145071 Chaos Trend
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What growing zone do you live in, Davey?

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 12:58 | 4146315 DaveyJones
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7/8 about 20 miles in from Puget Sound and up about 600 feet.

This can be done just about anywhere. If it gets real cold, then a pit greenhouse is your way...or hay bales as walls. The earth is an incredible insulator. Check out Eliot Coleman's writings - who stole most of his techniques from the turn of the century Europeans. Mankind survived before modern ag because he was a smarter animal and, like an orangutan, could probably identify and eat 500 edibles.

Controlling currency is one thing. Controlling and genetically modifying what I eat is another

It's funny how our food variety and quality continues to go down as our medical costs continue to climb. Can't possibly be a connection. 

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:27 | 4145004 European American
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That doesn't have anything to do with Grid Ex II, now, does it?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:42 | 4144576 RafterManFMJ
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We are all just 3 meals away from chaos and despair.

Don't think so. But perhaps I'm unusual.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:55 | 4144620 DaveyJones
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Don't think he means it literally

Then again, Mrs. Jones says just 1 of my meals can bring chaos and despair

There are two amazing lessons here

the power of nature

and the impotence of government

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:01 | 4144633 Cognitive Dissonance
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You are unusual.

While we as individuals might be (better) prepared the vast majority of 'we' are not. So if those to your left and those to your right have nothing to eat you there in the (better prepared) middle might just have a problem.

<Similar to that old saying.....If I owe the bank $10,000 and can't pay I have a problem. If I owe the bank several tens of millions and I can't pay, the bank has a problem.>

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 12:33 | 4144705 Anusocracy
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When you get right down to it, most people aren't very human.

They have a high time preference, don't plan for emergencies, and react like the animals they are when their world crumbles.

Squirrels are smarter than they are.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:50 | 4144767 Manthong
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everything would be cool over there if they had a national high capacity wideband obamacare exchange with a .666 billion dollar web server facility ...

like we do here.


aw.. wtf.. doesn't anybody understand this freaking joke??

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:10 | 4144225 Constitutional ...
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Can anyone tell me why the Phillipines is devasted without signifcant aid from the U.S. which wastes our blood and treasure on sandpits in the Middle East who hate the U.S.? Why is Congress quick to mobilise aid for places that have shown much less concern and loyalty toward the U.S.?

Because Israel has the nuclear bomb and holds the U.S. hostage, perhaps? While the Phillipines are peaceful people, meekly accepting U.S. military bases in their country without demanding much in return?

It's a bloody disgrace that the U.S. government takes tax dollars, and behaves like a heartless, cynical powerbroker, treating nations as pawns on the chessboard. Giving most to the least worthy. And least to the most innocent in their time of urgent, life threatening the Phillipines.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:39 | 4144334 Cloud9.5
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This is no solace for the destitute and desperate, but it takes time to get relief efforts organized.  Ships are not fast and the distances are immense.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:48 | 4144366 rehypothecator
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Plus, there was absolutely no warning about this storm, its strength, where it would hit, and so forth.  Why, it was just sunny one day and boom! the next.  So there was no way to organize anything whatsoever beforehand.  It's not like typhoons can be seen days in advance, or anything.  

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:03 | 4144441 JohnnyBriefcase
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Hint: Do they have oil?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:17 | 4144480 CrashisOptimistic
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ZH is just chock full of people who want to think deep thoughts about monetary policy and central banks and who is evil and who is not and what is debt servitude -- but they never confront the utterly obvious truths, the primary one of which you just did.

Nothing matters but oil.  The rest is bullshit. 

That sentence in the article . . . "it doesn't matter if you have money.  There is nothing to buy."  Think about that.  That's what a US city will look like when the trucks stop bringing food in because there is no fuel.  That's what gold will mean for you.  Or bitcoins.


Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:45 | 4144648 DaveyJones
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our foreign policy in three letters

of course, in the last decade,

it's been an assinine, incompetent approach

that has not only failed to secure oil

it's wasted a ton of it on what should have been used

to build the new systems. 

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:43 | 4144925 Manthong
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geez.. what are you, some kind of mal-content ???

maybe it's time to get back to the locker for some positive wavelengths..  :-D

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:54 | 4144943 Manthong
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..and y'know.. maybe it is time for a trans-generational cypher..

"You might be hating the Mises to pieces."

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 04:34 | 4145213 Urban Redneck
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What's scary is the current crop of anointed idiots could actually be that stupid. The big game is about domination and influence over the flow of two spices petro & capital. Not dominating the flow of aid to the Philippines will have repercussions.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:51 | 4144375 Constitutional ...
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Fair point. I don't doubt the will of those whose humanitarian instincts would drive the logistics. However, the clear evidence of DC favoring fellow nuclear blackmailers justifies moral indignation, in my opinion. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:45 | 4144588 RafterManFMJ
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I read in the Konstatution thet the US .gov has the duty to take from US Citizens, or borrow money, to provide relief to disasters like this. Jafferson put it in one of those lettors he wrotted. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:04 | 4144449 Midas
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Are you familliar with the closing of the US bases in the Philippines?  I'm not an expert, but it is my understanding that it wasn't the US's idea.  I think the US will provide help, but it is tough to respond when you have no bases in the immediate area.  I agree with your sentiment about the money wasted in the middle east, no excuse for that.  I'm all for helping the philippinos as we can, but we have people suffering right here at home.  

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:18 | 4144496 CrashisOptimistic
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It wasn't the US's idea.

It wasn't particularly the Philippine govt's idea.

It was Mt Pinatubo's idea.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:25 | 4144520 Midas
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Like I said, I'm no expert, but I know servicemen familiar with the bases and they have a bitter taste in their mouth about the closures.  From wikipedia regarding the base treaty (Sorry, I'm feeling too lazy to get a good source): 

On September 13, 1991, the Philippine Senate rejected the ratification of this treaty, citing a number of reasons for the rejection. This was a devastating blow to the Aquino administration, who were strongly pro-treaty and even called for a referendum by the Filipino people; a move that was declared unconstitutional.

In December 1991, the two governments were again in talks to extend the withdrawal of American forces for three years but this broke down as the United States refused to detail their withdrawal plans or to answer if nuclear weapons were kept on base. Finally on December 27, President Corazon Aquino, who had previously fought to delay the U.S. pullout to cushion the country's battered economy, issued a formal notice for the U.S. to leave by the end of 1992. Naval Station Subic Bay was the U.S.'s largest overseas defense facility after Clark Air Base was closed.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:30 | 4144541 CrashisOptimistic
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That's generally all legit and flowed, but the truth is the US decided not to pump the money in to dig Clark out from the volcanic ash.  Since then Clark was slowly dug out by locals to make it an airport, but the base as a whole was not excavated.

Subic needed some money to recover too, but it was 10s of miles from the volcano.

Bottom line, all the negotiations and arguments would never have arisen had Clark not been buried.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:49 | 4144603 Midas
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Ok, that sounds typical.  It is possible the Airman I was talking to was most upset about the end of all-night softball tournaments at Clark!  I do think it is strange to have any bases at all in foreign countries.  I understand why countries like Panama or the Philippines would resent a foreign presence on their turf.  I chimed in originally because of the post mentioning the limited ability of the US response, as if it were malicious on the part of the US. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:22 | 4144716 Anusocracy
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It's malicious because they are using stolen money.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:33 | 4144745 Dingleberry
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I was in Asia when we got kicked out of the PI. They booted us. Make no mistake about it. We had to transfer a bunch of stuff to Guam and Oki. Other places have booted us too, like Puerto Rico.


The main reason was the PI was a Sodom, with prostitution and such around the bases. They had a legit beef in my view. 

The volcano just iced the deal. 

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 11:39 | 4145982 Son of Captain Nemo
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Yeah Dingleberry tis true.

Who helped encourage scores of 12 - 26 year old girls who were the poorest of the poor ply there trade in places for the U.S. military boys with plenty of penicilin that gave us strains of resistent gonorrhea and herpes not to mention the shame of our government encouraging it.

My understanding is the U.S. Government ran Olongapo like an amusement park.  Sure makes ya proud to be an American -Doesn't it?

Thanks for the memories

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 11:39 | 4145983 LFMayor
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Yeah, all those whores got jobs as secretaries the day after the base closed.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 21:05 | 4148289 RobertC
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It always amazes me that the arguments about US bases in the Philippines always revolve around jobs and bargirls and never about national defense, which is the purpose of having a military, military bases, and military alliances. After the cold war, hundreds of bases in the USA closed or downsized, jobs disappeared, towns folded up, same story everywhere, nothing special about the story in Subic and A.C. {except maybe the closing of Adult entertainment district in Ermita and moving it to A.C. resulting in a red light disctrict that is larger now than when the base was there.} Another side note is that of the thousands of USA bases across the globe, including those in the USA, almost all have a couple of 'gentleman's clubs' not far from the base, but none as extensive as those found in places like Korea and Philippines, where this cultural tradtion existed long before Marco Polo wrote about them. Blaming the USA for bargirls is about as simple minded as blaming the USA for typhoons, as the Philippines was also known as typhoon alley long before the first US ship ever sailed these waters.


Prof. Roland Simbulan & Sen. Joseph Estrada pushed anti-US military propaganda to the people and convinced them that they'd be better off without them...the truth is, they aren't.  The Koreans have taken over Clark AB, and don't give back anything to local community.



Tue, 11/12/2013 - 18:37 | 4147744 RobertC
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The US would have gone back if it wasn't for the PI government getting greedy..."MONEY!!!!!!!!! That is the reason the US left the bases, they were already scheduled to scale back before Mt Pinatubo. The volcano just sped the closures up. As always, the politicians got more greedy than they usually tend to be. The US offered over $80 M per year for another contract for the bases, but they wanted more. You can't even compare the bases in the Phils with the bases in Japan and Germany. They lost. I know Japan still pays for everything on the US bases in Japan, and their military can't do anything except protect their own country. THAT'S ALL." ...oh and they didn't agree witht the SOFA agreement that was in place at the time..

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:42 | 4144574 Emergency Ward
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Since they are planning a "Pacific Pivot", the depraved DC warbangers might try to tie aid to a new base.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:04 | 4144659 dick cheneys ghost
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 I thought Subic Bay was hosting US ships?    Any info on that?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:10 | 4144231 jonjon831983
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This says it all when the media is telling you of looting, look up "Katrina looting vs finding food"

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:14 | 4144245 Constitutional ...
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Reminds me of the old saying: When the natives won, it was a massacre. When the white men won, it was a victory.

I'm white, by the way. This ongoing propaganda and hypocritical deceit of the war machine and the critters in DC sickens me.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:15 | 4144253 cougar_w
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The media is in the business of selling media. Anything that can be twisted into a "security concern" is more likely to grab the soccer moms.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:24 | 4144261 jonjon831983
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Sorry - I don't mean to say that this only a US Media thing.

There may be elements of racism internal to Philippines' ethnic diaspora which could describe one act as looting whereas another to be an act of survival.


That being said, looting is in the eye of the beholder.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:14 | 4144246 thisandthat
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And obviously, they're already using this natural tragedy to push the global "warming" fearmongering agenda.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:17 | 4144259 cougar_w
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And you just used this disaster to push your own agenda, which please notice nobody was asking you about.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:25 | 4144289 Jack Burton
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Agreed. Does not this event speak for itself? I seriously wonder how this is political in nature. The politics of storms, is this good for the red team, or maybe team blue? Jesus.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:32 | 4144311 the misanthrope
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did you not hear the show on democracy now today? all about global warming / climate change cause of this storm.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:45 | 4144358 cougar_w
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This is not that. Though I guess now, it is.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:48 | 4144369 Jack Burton
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The unusually warm waters in that part of the Pacific allowed the storm to grow that large. Heat = energy. So we can say that much without breaking the laws of physics. There is no politics of warm water that I know of.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:54 | 4144389 cougar_w
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"There is no politics of warm water that I know of."

You've been reading ZH for what -- years now? -- and you can still say there is no politics of something?

Just like porn, there is a politics of everything.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:48 | 4144595 Rusty Shorts
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Typhoon YOlanda / Haiyan ~ Weather Wars China vs Japan

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:33 | 4144897 thisandthat
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Actually, that's my point exactly, not her's: first thing "done" about it was to (ab)use it to push for political agendas; but, hey, this' teh internets, so feel free to put whatever intention suits you in my words....

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:30 | 4144540 thisandthat
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If you're asking me (and if you're not), my own "agenda" would be to just get the world rid of brain-dead idiots such as you... and if you think I'm (not) going to talk about something just because you "please" (didn't) asked me to, you should just go offer yourself in sacrifice on the altar of agenda 21 for the appeasement of the climate gods...  guaranteed better chances of succeeding...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:22 | 4144277 Constitutional ...
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Yesterday, a ZH regular said Putin's response was to shoot down one of the  Rothschild owned satellites which trigger weather warfare or blackmail regions into submission, under the globalist jackboot. 

Good. Well done Vlad and Russian patriots if that story is true.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:42 | 4144575 thisandthat
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That sat just run out of fuel - friction (yep) and Earth attraction did the rest

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:39 | 4144909 Flakmeister
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Don;t believe every thing you read here....

And you might want to loosen the chin strap on the collander lest you accidentaly cause auto-erotic asphyxiation when you thumb your copy of Atlas Shrugged....

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:47 | 4144363 joego1
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I wonder how many folks in the Philippines would say something is going on with the weather.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:53 | 4144388 Constitutional ...
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Their government got the message: you need help from the globalists. You will get that IF you comply with the list of commands.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:44 | 4144587 thisandthat
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They could even say it about god (which they obviously did), same as Indonesians did in 2004, same as Europeans did in 1755 - does that make it true?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:17 | 4144258 The_Prisoner
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And the banker scum are rubbing their hands at the amount of debt to be issued for reconstruction.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:27 | 4144299 Jack Burton
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Indeed! Loans are surely needed!

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:17 | 4144260 jim249
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Curfew? There are no homes left. Where do they go?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:21 | 4144274 cougar_w
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The police don't have too many moves in their playbook.

Next up will be them shooting "protesters" with rubber bullets and beating "looting" mothers with starving babies away from the infant formula.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:40 | 4144916 TBT or not TBT
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Away from cops?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:22 | 4144269 Jack Burton
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Just saw a news report from ground zero, that town that was leveled. The wide angle scan of the city looked like a nuclear bomb site. In large areas there was nothing taller than a human walking by. Devastation on a grand scale. I can see that in some areas there was little to loot right after the storm. Stories coming out said looting of home sites was near instantaneous. Every society has a criminal class that just lives for a chance like this, to enter anyone shattered home and clean it out. The transport was so destroyed that troops were not able to get there in large numbers.

There is talk of maybe 10K killed. I seriously doubt that figure. Looking at what is left, you can only wonder where a survivor could possibly have weathered this storm. Sustained winds at 185 MPH, guests in the 225 MPH range. What survives getting hit by a 225 gust? Not much.

Just one more extreme weather event. I thought Sandy was huge, but this sucker is making Sandy look tame.  The giant reinsurance companies are taking hard looks at their business models. Sandy caused then to reconsider their models. Though this storm was not a USA story, the Americans in weather disaster prone areas, like Florida and Gulf Coast States, Tornado Country etc. etc., they are already facing giant premium jumps. Hurricane prone low lying areas people are seeing nobody willing to write a policy. As always, there are calls by locals for government to step in and sell them cheap flood and casualty coverage. Of course congressmen will work to pass these costs off on the rest of us. Watch the coming decade, there is a looming crisis in Home Owners and Business Insurance. The breaking point of the crisis is only one bad hurricane season away.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:23 | 4144281 cougar_w
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All that is absolutely on the mark. And notice, not a single resident of Tacloban would have had an insurance policy. There is going to be a lot of hurt that never hits the books.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 07:28 | 4149184 Tompooz
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Cougar, Can you imagine a 100.000 claims being processed, inspected, visited, etc.?  Timely? In the Philippines? In the current emergency??

When I read the insurance policy and thought of a disaster scenario, in which I would forfeit my claim if I did not do exactly what the Insurer told me, not even allowing me to take emergency measures without the Insurer's approval, I decided that it was much better not to have any insurance.

When the previous supertyphoon ("Ruping") blew my roof off, I was able to put it back on right away with minimum delay, without first having to wait a month to have it inspected. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:26 | 4144291 Constitutional ...
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You might like to research HAARP, and weather warfare. Jack Kennedy spoke about this technology in a speech to the U.N.

Common sense tells us it can be used for good or bad, depending on its owners. Its owners are primarily the Rothschild-led international financiers who have no loyalty to any land or people, but do lust after ultimate power, control - playing god, for their own profit.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:40 | 4144917 Flakmeister
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You have to be poe'ing us...

That is the only possible answer...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:17 | 4144494 dark pools of soros
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don't worry, we'll have forced national home insurance so even someone in Idaho will have to pay their fair share of insurance so someone else can rebuild every year on the shore

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:06 | 4144668 DaveyJones
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was thinking the same thing all day. there's no way it's 10,000 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:21 | 4144271 Son of Captain Nemo
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To the Filipinos and Vietnamese people.

The absentee landlord of "Freedom and Democracy" is too preoccupied spreading it from the end of a gun everywhere else on the planet to help you in your hour of need.... 

You remember who you're dealing with given our unsolicited involvement on your turf since the late 19th and early 20th Century?  We only speacialize in the types of disaster(s) that are man-made in origin -just ask the people of Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Yemen, Iraq, Libya and now Syria. 

Oh and let's not forget your neighbors in Japan who are getting all the "self-help" they need in the worst commerical nuclear melt down of an American made set of reactor(s) in history.

Uncle Sam is all tapped out and can't pay it's bills to save it's own life -Haven't you heard?


Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:32 | 4144308 Constitutional ...
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It is not for those poor people to redress the balance. It is for us in the West to get our house in order and stop making false promises to other lands; using them, and abandoning them in their time of greatest need. 

Our responsibility to hold our hateful, corrupt CONgress to account, one way or another.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:00 | 4144418 forwardho
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The poor?  

There will always be poor people.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:22 | 4144508 Constitutional ...
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Yes. The poor will always be with us. But that's no excuse for making false promises to them. A small deed done well is better than a big promise done badly, in my opinion.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 03:38 | 4145173 Deo vindice
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+100 ... (if I could).

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:24 | 4144283 lolmao500
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And what's funny is that another typhoon is heading their way.



Brilliant :


This should be interesting :


Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:35 | 4144316 Jack Burton
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Hmmm! I am heading to google the Syrian story. I can only hope Russia will come to the aid of Syrians who are not Muslim Jihadists and aid secular Syria and it's honest Muslims and minority religions. Enough of USA supplied Al-Qaeda chopping the heads off of Christians and shooting non-sunni Muslims in the back of the head who are only trying to earn a paycheck for their families by driving trucks. These are what America spends money on Sunni Jihad! Meanwhile the people who survived this natural disaster are desperate. American priorities have sunk to the level of the lowest of the low!

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 03:42 | 4145175 Deo vindice
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This may help... Written in May, it says the missiles should be arriving in fall. (hint: I didn't use google to search)

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:44 | 4144352 chump666
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It's because the Saudis who are the biggest terrorist threat to humanity are most probably about to set up a another false flag.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 09:44 | 4145578 PhilofOz
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you jest!! Replace "Saudis" with "Israel" in that sentence and you'd be 100% correct.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:50 | 4144374 Jack Burton
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Sadly google is not returning anything on the Assad/Syria/Missile story, except some religious discussion board. And I had my hopes up that the Russians were going to back up their words for once.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:20 | 4144712 dick cheneys ghost
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the russians sure seem to be 'stepping it up' in the MENA region tho........

''The Varyag, a Slava-class missile cruiser designed as a surface strike ship with anti-aircraft and anti-submarine capability, is currently part of Russia’s standing naval task force in the Mediterranean, which comprises some 10 warships from all four Russian fleets.

For Moscow, the improvement of ties with Egypt could signify a return in force to the Middle East while US diplomacy is failing all over the region.''

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 02:23 | 4145080 walküre
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google is censored

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:24 | 4144284 dark pools of soros
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If there was one Jewish person there the USA would of sent the army, navy, national guard, etc

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:26 | 4144292 cougar_w
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Did you really have to do that?

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