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TEPCO Doubles Hazard Pay For Fukushima Workers

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The operator of Japan's wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant will double the pay of contract workers as part of a revamp of operations at the station, after coming under criticism for its handling of clean-up efforts. Reuters reports, hazard pay for the thousands of workers on short-term contracts will be increased from 10,000 yen ($100) to 20,000 yen a day, Tokyo Electric Power Co said in a statement on Friday. The plan released on Friday also lays out improvements to the management of hundreds of thousands of tonnes of contaminated water building up, which comes from groundwater mixing with coolant poured over melted uranium rods. All of this as the riskiest phase of the decommissioning of Fukushima begins soon...

 

Via Pater Tenebrarum of Acting-Man blog,

Fuel Rod Removal 'No Problem'?

TEPCO spokesmen express confidence that the soon to begin removal of spent (and a number of not yet spent) fuel rods from the storage pool 30 meters above ground in reactor building number 4 of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant will proceed without a hitch. Indeed, as the photograph below shows, a fairly sturdy looking gantry crane has been installed to accomplish the task, but it is no longer the fully computer-controlled machinery that was previously used to move the rods to and fro with great precision in what is a fairly cramped environment. The problem is two-fold: for one thing, the damaged building is listing and the crane will have to be operated manually. The second problem is that the number 4 reactor was undergoing a maintenance shutdown when the tsunami hit. This saved it from suffering a meltdown, but it means that the unspent fuel from the reactor is whiling away its time in the pool as well. Removing this 'hot fuel' is the most dangerous part of the operation, as it is far more likely to go critical than the spent rods ('spent' doesn't mean 'can no longer go critical').

 


 

Fuku fuel rod crane

Hitachi gantry crane hovering above the fuel rod pool in reactor building 4.

(Photo via fukuleaks.org / Author unknown)


 

Here is what TEPCO says according to a report at Bloomberg:

An uncontrolled nuclear reaction due to structural failures or mishandled fuel is highly unlikely because of safeguards and workers’ experience with the procedure, Akira Ono, the Dai-Ichi plant’s chief supervisor, said at a news conference at the power station yesterday.

 

Ono’s remarks coincide with preparations to remove fuel rods from the No. 4 reactor’s cooling pool at the plant operated by Tepco, as the utility is known. The task is an early milestone in decommissioning that experts say could threaten another crisis if mishandled. Were the rods to break or overheat, it could prompt a self-sustained nuclear chain reaction similar to the meltdowns at three Fukushima reactors following the March 2011 earthquake and tsunami.

 

“I personally believe this kind of thing is very close to being impossible,” Ono said. “It’s not the first time for us to do this operation. At any ordinary nuclear power plant, workers remove spent fuel.”

 

Still, working amid high radiation emitted by other reactors with melted cores and dealing with possible debris remaining in the pool could present problems, Ono said.

(emphasis added)

It is of course true that there are workers who are familiar with removing spent fuel from the pool. However, the conditions for doing so have changed all around. The things that Ono admits could become a problem actually pose a fairly big problem: due to the radiation, no crew can work beyond a strict and presumably fairly small time limit. Any debris in the pool will make a mishap inherently more likely.

 


 

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A glimpse of what's in the fuel rod pool. The rods are tightly packed, so this is going to require a sure touch.

(Photo via fukuleaks.org / Author unknown)


 

Critics are adamant that TEPCO is downplaying the risks, and they are probably right to be a bit worried:

“The 1,533 fuel assemblies earmarked for removal are stored in a building heavily damaged by the March 2011 explosion. Removal is expected to begin this month, with practice drills scheduled for as early as next week, Ono said.

 

Some experts, such as former nuclear engineer Michael Friedlander, say Tepco could be playing down the dangers of the process. “The thing that keeps me up late at night is that they’re getting ready to unload the spent fuel in unit 4,” said Friedlander, who spent 13 years operating U.S. nuclear plants.

 

Tepco’s record of accidents at the plant, including power failures and contaminated water leaks, tests faith in its competence to perform such a delicate task, Friedlander said this week from Hong Kong during a phone interview. “It has the potential if it doesn’t go well to create a very, very serious accident,” he said.”

(emphasis added)

It is one thing when laymen are worried, it is another when former nuclear engineers are 'kept up late at night' when contemplating the fuel rod removal operation. It is probably true that the chances for an accident are fairly low, just as TEPCO says. Even with its tarnished reputation, its managers are surely aware of the delicacy of the task, so one can presumably expect them to take every precaution. The problem is that if an accident does happen, the effects will be phenomenally catastrophic in this case.

 

Beset by Murphy's Law

If one thinks about the Fukushima nuclear plant, it has been an uncanny attractor of the 'Murphy's law' effect from the beginning. Murphy's law states that “anything that can go wrong, will go wrong”.

Consider the accident's progression so far. Fukushima was protected by extra-high barriers against tsunami waves. It turned out though that some tsunami waves are so high and powerful that these barriers, against all previous experience and expectation, failed anyway (a 2008 study that warned of tsunami waves higher than 10 meters was ignored because it was held to be too unlikely an event). Because no-one thought the barriers would ever fail, the back-up power generators were housed on the ground level – where the seawater could get at them and destroy them. The long list of mishaps that have occurred since then, from tanks leaking radioactive water, to contaminated groundwater flowing into the ocean, to sudden steam eruptions spewing highly radioactive steam from cracks opening up around the plant, are all testament to Murphy practically squatting atop the plant.

 


 

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What one has to wear near the spent fuel pool – full radiation riot gear.

(Photo via fukuleaks.org / Author unknown)


 

Looking at the photograph above, the first thought that struck us was how uncomfortable and difficult it must be to work clad in these protective radiation outfits, especially considering the work is delicate and stressful. Let us assume though that everything goes as planned, and no-one actually makes a mistake.

Could Murphy's law still strike anyway? The answer is definitely yes. Again, there are a number of risks that simply have to be taken, as it is not possible to leave the fuel rods where they are. Consider for instance the following scenario: just as an assembly of rods is being lifted out of the pool, another strong earthquake strikes and the fuel rod assembly falls where it isn't supposed to fall. Game over. The evacuation of Tokyo would presumably be on the menu next.

It is impossible to predict such events, and it is probably also impossible to guard against them. Here is an interesting documentary on the Chernobyl accident that looks at what happened in the minutes leading up to the disaster. In essence it was a combination of design problems and human error that caused the accident. A failure of various operators that were assigned different tasks to communicate with each other during the critical moments was all it ultimately took (they may have realized the implications of the design problem in time had they been in contact with each other).

 


 

rod transporter

The cylinder is one of the transport containers that will be used to remove the fuel rods from the site.

(Photo via fukuleaks.org / Author unknown)


 

Conclusion:

Nothing can be done about the remaining 'Murphy' risk that is going to attend the fuel rod removal. One can only hope that it all goes as planned.

 

 

And it gets worse... As Reuters reports,

Fukushima evacuees are anxious to go back home, but would settle for acknowledgement from the government that some may never return. Japanese lawmakers on Monday said the government should scale back cleanup goals.

 

The government may offer compensation to residents whose homes were in the most contaminated regions and will not be able to return. So far, 1,539 displaced Fukushima residents have died due to illness associated with prolonged evacuation. Japan is dealing with fallout from the faulty nuclear plant, which was wrecked by earthquake and tsunami in 2011 and is currently leaking nuclear radiation.

 

 

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Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:00 | 4143202 JohnG
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Banzai.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:03 | 4143210 freewolf7
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Suicide. Plain and simple.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:19 | 4143269 greatbeard
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One thing is for certain, Coulter would never sacrifice anything for the good of anything or anybody, other than Coulter.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:40 | 4143329 MarsInScorpio
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$200/day - $1,000/weel - are you out of your mind?

 

I understand foreign wages are significantly below those in the US - but you have to be insane to kill yourself - literally - for $200/day.

 

The Japanese are obviously suicidial . . .

-30-

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:48 | 4143354 tsx500
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Ho Lee Fuk !

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 09:12 | 4145499 gold-is-not-dead
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those men look like scientists but actually are retards, playing with gama radiation...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 16:01 | 4143389 ZerOhead
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" but you have to be insane to kill yourself - literally - for $200/day."

 

At least the wage increase will allow TEPCO to hire double the quality of worker they had before when they were only paying $100 a day.

(Now they can upgrade their workers from complete idiots to mere morons to do the really dangerous stuff that could doom the entire planet...)

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 17:01 | 4143574 Paveway IV
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Nobody makes that much there - that's only how much TEPCO has agreed to pay contract outfits. Six middlemen all take their little cut first before anyone sees a paycheck. Half the workers are pressed into labor by the Yakuza they owe money to - they don't ever see a paycheck. The rest of the workers spend what little they make on amphetamines so they can function in the oppressive, radiation-filled environment. Their exposure isn't measured accurately (if at all) by any of the layers of sub-contractors they work for. There's every incentive to leave their own dosiminters behind every few days so they don't get booted off the job. 

Keep all this in mind. It will work out pretty much the same way when the US has a meltdown and 'remediation' is the only job that's going to feed your family (what with that non-dischargeable student loan and all).

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:47 | 4144931 Flagit
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yup, its like increasing snap or unemployment benefits.

someone else winds up with the cash.

the yakuza probably said they could hire better workers, if they had more money to offer.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:49 | 4144937 Flagit
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actually, now that i think about it, these are photos of reactor 4?

the one that is barely standing due to massive case of "got blowed up"?

Wed, 11/20/2013 - 06:06 | 4172739 Paveway IV
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Yep. They scraped the twisted metal off the top, built their rod-moving crane shack over it and gave it a new coat of paint. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 16:17 | 4143450 DoChenRollingBearing
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You can raise the Hazard Pay all you want, but there would still be too much radiation for even a steel bearing to work right...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 18:56 | 4143912 augustusgloop
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"A glowing report for radiaton." Dirty cynical whore (AC). Go swim your skanky ass in the cooling pool of reactor 3.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:13 | 4144969 Flagit
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ok, history time.

http://www.popsci.com/archive-viewer?id=ZyoDAAAAMBAJ&pg=38&query=radioac...

from 1928, page 38. note the small article referring to poison above it.

 

http://www.popsci.com/archive-viewer?id=yaHf5PavpB8C&pg=28&query=radioac...

aug 2004, page 28. lean the story of eben byers. your jaw will hit the floor.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:09 | 4143228 Gringo Viejo
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Talk about bein' a "Temp"......lmao

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 18:19 | 4143789 1223pm
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Working "Temp" is nothing more than picking cotton 200 years ago. At that time food, shelter and transport to and from the fields was "Master"'s responsibility. Now temp is paid hardly enough to cover his food, shelter and commute.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:19 | 4143268 NidStyles
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Nothing like killing yourself for paper IOU's.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:32 | 4143307 superflex
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Suicide. Plain and simple.

It's in their DNA.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:15 | 4143249 BandGap
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Feeling hot, hot, hot!

So what is the countdown to this little operation? I know they didn't go into a lot of detail here, but there is no way of knowing how he crane itself will perform in this environment, much less the sweaty little men in white suits being paid a whopping $100 a weak to lay their asses on the line. Yowza!

This is a metaphor for Obamacare.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:18 | 4143265 Sonic the porcupine
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$200 per day to take a radioactive bath? Assuming 2 weeks vacation, and weekends off, that would be annualized to 50 grand. If you paid me 50 grand per day, I might start considering working there.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:20 | 4143275 NidStyles
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Make it $50K a day in gold bullion in my hand and you have me.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:22 | 4143283 Groundhog Day
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where's that guy anne colter telling everyone radiation is actually good for you

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:34 | 4143311 superflex
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How do you think she got an adam's apple?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 19:37 | 4144018 Stripey Magee
Mon, 11/11/2013 - 19:37 | 4144020 Stripey Magee
Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:37 | 4143325 rubiconsolutions
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It's interesting how they show "stock" photos of how the fuel rod pool looks. I doubt that it looks like that now given the fact that there has been a meltdown and explosion. It's probably a tangled mess of melted steel. But they don't want to show the public that because it would undermine their position that everything is a-ok. This thing isn't going to end well.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 18:59 | 4143915 ross81
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yes, was thinking that myself. Everything looks so ordered & clean & shiny.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:38 | 4144856 mkhs
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Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:01 | 4143203 stacking12321
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So far, 1,539 displaced Fukushima residents have died due to illness associated with prolonged evacuation.

WTH? prolonged evacuation?

i didn't know you could die from diarrhea

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:52 | 4143373 WOAR
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You've never been to Africa, or even heard of it.

Even the simplest of problems can kill you without infrastructure to PREVENT those problems. To put things in perspective, you can go blind from just eating dirt (Botulism).

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:29 | 4144891 Tall Tom
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When I sit on the toilet...get up...and must sit on the toilet again...IT IS A PROLONGED EVACUATION of the contents of my bowels.

 

In that way I am not full of shit anymore.

 

If there is "Delayed Evacuation" to an "Occupation" then it is either a Constipation or a Compaction.

 

I have read that you can "go blind" from other behaviors...but I still see fine. You cannot believe everything that you hear or read as some is contrary to reality.

 

How is that..for perspective's sake?

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 04:39 | 4145215 Bearwagon
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Excrement, errm, excellent explanation.  :)

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:58 | 4143386 RobD
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Yes WTF are they making them sleep outside in freezing rain or something?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 18:02 | 4143736 Poofter Priest
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What do you think dysentery is?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:55 | 4144394 stacking12321
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What do you think a joke is?

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:20 | 4144985 Flagit
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i didn't know you could die from diarrhea

its called dysentery. go find an old vietnam vet. he can tell you how he was too weak to move, and had to watch his buddy shit himself to death.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:01 | 4143205 Pairadimes
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Bullish ceremonial seppuku knives.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:01 | 4143206 Colonel Klink
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What good is the money if you're dead from radiation.  Good luck with the Cluster Fuckashima!

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:02 | 4143208 Seasmoke
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Does not look like a fun workplace environment. 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:05 | 4143217 A Lunatic
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Some people still don't seem to understand that money can't fix everything........

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 00:40 | 4144913 Tall Tom
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"Some people still don't seem to understand that money can't fix everything........."

 

Are those the same people whom still don't seem to understand that Government can't fix everything?

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:22 | 4144988 Flagit
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nothing can fix this.

not even the magic.....of Peter Cetera.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWHOF_0-6Hg

 

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:06 | 4143219 Bangin7GramRocks
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$1 for every lost day of lifespan.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:08 | 4143227 atomicwasted
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Wouldn't they be better off just nuking the core?  Get a small Hiroshima-sized bomb - much smaller than used in most nuke tests around the world, and set it off the middle of the pool.  Voila, problem solved!  Hiroshima is habitable again, and no one's living near Fukushima right now.  Rather than the death of a thousand cuts with the fuel rods, you could set a date and time, blow it up, and it's like ripping off a bandaid.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:16 | 4143256 BandGap
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It sits on top of the aquafier that supplies fresh water to Tokyo. Breach that and the whole island will be suited up.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:22 | 4143284 NidStyles
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"Breach that and the whole island will be mutated up."

 

FTFY

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:25 | 4143295 atomicwasted
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OK, my point is just that if the endgame is the spent rods are going to create an event, that's going to contaminate the aquifer as well.  Why not create a planned event that can be prepared for?  

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:40 | 4143332 BandGap
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You're talking about a "controlled" nuclear detonation?

Hahahahhahahahhahhahahhahaha1

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:51 | 4143370 atomicwasted
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The 50s and 60s were chock full of nuclear tests, which were controlled nuclear detonations.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 04:43 | 4145217 Bearwagon
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I'd suggest you do a search for "Castle Bravo" and "tamper burn", to get an impression how "controlled" that really turned out to be ...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:40 | 4143330 Smiley
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Hiroshima was hit by 1 bomb containing 140 lb (64 kg) of fissile material.  There are thousands of fuel rods at the Fukushima Daiichi complex.  Releasing that much nuclear material into the environment via a large explosion would be unprecedented in its scope and destruction.  Only a very small fraction of the fissile material used in a nuclear bomb is actually converted to energy, the rest is blown to bits but still very much radioactive and maintains its original properties after the reaction takes place.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:26 | 4145000 Flagit
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robert mcnamara did an interview about his time in office. near the very end he talked about a nuke test that was soo big, they had to test it up in the outer atmosphere. it was just too big to do on the surface.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 04:50 | 4145219 Bearwagon
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Probably "Starfish Prime", July 9 1962, at 400 km altitude with roughly 1.4  Mt yield.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 17:31 | 4143665 are we there yet
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I have a physics degree and can flatly state that setting off a nuclear bomb at a nuclear power plant does not destroy radioactive materials, it only disperses radioactive materials to a larger area.  A profoundly bad 'dirty' bomb. The goal of Fukashema is containment not dispersal.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:30 | 4145007 Flagit
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photos indicated that they had moved the cranes to the beach.

ive read comments that suggest they threw everything they could find into the harbor and attempted to lay a concrete floor to encase it.

have you heard anything to support this theory?

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 05:47 | 4145255 are we there yet
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No but fairwinds.com has been a good source of hidden Fukashema info. Very plausible story about where the debree went.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:11 | 4144682 michael_engineer
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Atomics and nukes have just 2 to 100 or so pounds of radioactive materials.  In the spent fuel pools there are lots of tons of the stuff and it would likely vaporize even under a small atomic size boom.  And the resulting cloud would spread an immense amout of fallout.   Plus the rods, spent or not. are highly reactive with air and if not covered by water, they can burn and relase huge amounts of radiation in the smoke from the fire.  Your solution would destroy the building and remove all water cover for any bits not vaporized.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:00 | 4144952 Tall Tom
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Atomicwasted...Yeah...They need to hire you right away. Let's just poison the entire region immediately.

 

Yeah...An immediate destruction is much better than a death by a thousand cuts.

 

Nuke Fuushima today. /sarcasm

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:14 | 4143244 Kirk2NCC1701
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2x pay at 2x QE = ???

Anyone?  Ferris Buehler?  Anyone?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:14 | 4143247 quasimodo
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Wow, such a generous gesture giving them double pay over what is a pretty paltry pay to begin with.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:16 | 4143250 Smiley
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$200 a day to work there!?!  Is that a misprint?  I wouldn't get within 100 miles of that place for $200 a day.

They need to get over it and build a mega Mech Walker like the Japanese always fantasize about in their cartoons that can go in and take care of the situation instead of seeing how many engineers they can sterilize by braying gobblygook and dragging their feet in a pathetic attempt to save face.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:29 | 4143300 atomicwasted
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Hazard pay is in addition to regular pay.  

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:32 | 4145014 Flagit
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the chips and boards wont hold up to the heat as it is now.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:16 | 4143258 pods
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Are those pictures pre-tsunami?  They look like business as usual to me.

pods

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:21 | 4143259 firstdivision
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Those Fukushima workers should be paying TEPCO for the cancer treatments they're receiving.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 19:09 | 4143938 ross81
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I know huh, free chemo + $200 every day.....sign me up! :P

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:11 | 4144972 Tall Tom
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It is more like Free Radiation Therapy + $200 per day extra..on top of their Base Salary. (Then you wonder why your Electric Bills are high, Japan???)

 

Chemotherapy is Pharmaceutical Therapy.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:18 | 4143263 joego1
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Got plans for a fallout shelter?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:22 | 4143285 Quus Ant
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So much for machines eliminating the need for peoples.  We'll always need some human meat for the sacrifice- whether it be to Baal or to the gods of progress.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:24 | 4143294 FreedomGuy
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What worries me here is culture. Japanese have a strong culture of not losing face and downplaying bad news in the sense of "all is under control". This can lead to underestimating risk as well as not asking for help. Many western nations have a tremendous amount of expertise, as well. The French have a huge nuclear energy sector. I may have missed it but I have not seen a lot of formal international consultation.

I hope they have been talking at least privately with the best and the brightest around the world.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:34 | 4143313 Jack Burton
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A good read! It looks to me like the major fear is that the damaged building could have a structural problem that gives Murphy's Law the chance it needs to turn the rod removal into a nightmare. Especially the very real chance that another aftershock or new quake hits during some part of removal and storage. I expect they will take months do do this, one rod a day or something like that. Given the radiation risk to workers, they are going to be switching them out a lot. That is never good in any technical procedure. If there is radiation danger, how many men are hihgly trained at manual removal of rods? How long can these guys stay on site? Are some half trained clowns on contract going to be given skilled jobs to do? What happens when the "A" team has gotten it dose of rads?

Seriously, Japan should hand this over to the international atomic energy authorites. They should gather the very best engineers from across the globe. Japan's fuck up could effect many nations. Their track record is awful up to now. 3 melted cores sitting there with not one plan for how to deal with them. I can easily see that in a decade, all three meltdown cores will be outside containement and not dealth with. Waiting for the great Tokyo earthquake to strike. The geologial record is clear. Tokyo is due just about now for a big one. The plant is just sitting there all fucked up and Jpan is dragging it's feet hiring temp workers from the fucking mafia to deal with water problems, at a time when spent fuel is all over the place and three cores are in melt down. Does this insprire confidence?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 18:37 | 4143844 forwardho
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Agree with handing over responsibility.

This disaster has worldwide implications, yet a private company (with share holders concerned with profit) is being allowed to experiment in the cleanup.

I have been amazed since this first occured at the lack of world wide concern.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 20:11 | 4144098 tvdog
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They need to do it somewhat quickly, given that there's a 95% chance of a magnitude 7 earthquake in the next 3 years.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 23:59 | 4144821 olto
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you are right, Jack,

How many times will the ball fall into 0 or 00 consecutively?

'Leave nothing to chance' is not possible in this deal------------

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:45 | 4143345 Elliptico
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Footage from the reactor room.  Good luck, fellas!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQJxNWs14U8

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 19:29 | 4143996 ForTheWorld
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I had no idea the reactor room was on a submarine, and Harrison Ford was leading the charge!

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 15:58 | 4143388 buzzsaw99
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I wouldn't piss on Fukushima for $200 per second.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 16:19 | 4143459 Quisat_Sadarak
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I would say "Fuk-U-shima"!?

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 16:42 | 4143528 Bobportlandor
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Wages in Japan decreased to 295.86 JPY THO in September of 2013 from 297.66 JPY THO in August of 2013. From 1970 until 2013, Japan Average Monthly Wages averaged 317.3 JPY THO reaching an all time high of 883.8 JPY THO in December of 1997 and a record low of 52.9 JPY THO in February of 1970.

 

Today 295.86 Y = $2981.85 US per month

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/japan/wages

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 16:48 | 4143543 Uchtdorf
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Let's see...Fukushima worker or Russian activist...which would result in sterility the quickest?

Protestor nails genitals to ground http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breakingnews/offbeat/protestor-nails-genitals-to-ground-29744274.html
Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:37 | 4145028 Flagit
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i was all over that one yesterday.

i felt this was appropriate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_3TlrZLpQ0

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 16:49 | 4143544 ILikeBoats
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I don't fully understand - can't they add more boron or other things that absorb radiation, to the water in the pool?  And then, they could put lead plates on top of everything except the small area of rods they were working on?  What exactly to they have to do, to avoid criticality?

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 20:15 | 4144108 tvdog
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They have to keep the rods from touching each other.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 16:49 | 4143547 btdt
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As before, Tyler demonstrates that outside of his domain, he is an idiot.
And as before on the toic of Fukushima, he submits a rotten essay, so rotten there is no way to deconsruct it without an even longer essay.

As an example, the first sentence:

"..

The operator of Japan's wrecked Fukushima nuclear plant will double the pay of contract workers as part of a revamp of operations at the station, after coming under criticism for its handling of clean-up efforts. Reuters reports, hazard pay for the thousands of workers on short-term contracts will be increased from 10,000 yen ($100) to 20,000 yen a day, Tokyo Electric Power Co said in a statement on Friday.

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So Tyler, because TEPCO says X in a press statement about pay, we should believe it? (Then why diss them elsewhere?)

You don't know jackshit about Japan nor do any of the authorities you reference.

TEPCO might indeed be upping the pay rate, but by the time the increase is siphoned off through the 5?, 7?, 8? layers of subcontranctors, the poor smucks in the bunny suits won't see much.

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Not going to bother with sentence two and beyond, other than to say that at least this time you don't have GW quoting the "nuke expert" Gundersen, wailing about the imminent collapse of building 4 at Fukushima.

GW's nuke expert:

Gundersen: Current occupation, carpet bagger in Japan selling snake oil. Previous occupation, high school teacher with a license to operate a 100 watt desktop lab reactor.

I could be wrong on the details - might have been a 200 watt reactor.

Shame on Tyler for continuing to publish this horseshit.

Your brand deteriorates by the week.

 

Wake up ZH readers. Enough of the disaster porn with ambulance chaser parasite experts and duped opinion leaders out of their depth.

Skepticism. Don't buy everything you read here.

Trust ZH only in areas of banking and finance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 17:04 | 4143585 drink or die
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If you are going to post a criticism, at least try to make it readable and logical.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 17:05 | 4143588 Yenbot
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Trust ZH only in areas of banking and finance.

a ha ha ha ha ha.....

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 17:08 | 4143596 Maxter
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What is your point exactly?

It is really hard to understand what you are trying to say.

Do you mean that the 200$ among is not real?  Ot that zerohedge should not report this at all? Because right now your "first exemple" doesn't illustrate your point at all.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 17:36 | 4143679 Parrotile
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I think you'll find that Arnold ("Arnie") Gundersen has a little bit more experience than you seem to imply, particularly in the areas of Plant Decommissioning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Gundersen

Seems he was "given the shove" because he upset the better - connected. Conspiracy, or fact? Seems a lot of "conspiracies" are turning out to be facts these days, doesn't it, and where the potential for large-scale and enduring contamination exists, I'd prefer to err on the side of caution (as is supposed to be the case in the Nuclear Industry, isn't it??)

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 17:47 | 4143703 tony wilson
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btdt

shut the fuck up bitch.

listen faggot you have plenty of fuckyshita in you thanks too the lunatics in israel that planted the bomb.

this is more rothschild wipe out cancer export for the world plenty of death and big happy fees for hospitals and pharma.

fuck you and the satanic zionist donkey you came in on.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:44 | 4144353 The Wedge
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OOOOK, get some help for crying out loud.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 22:07 | 4144455 The Wedge
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Gundersen: Current occupation, carpet bagger in Japan selling snake oil. Previous occupation, high school teacher with a license to operate a 100 watt desktop lab reactor.

I could be wrong on the details - might have been a 200 watt reactor.

Shame on Tyler for continuing to publish this horseshit.

 

Unless the guy is just lying, he has a lot of experience with REAL reactors. See here. I think he has a sober point of view on this situation. He's not Eor or polyanna. I will say his views appear to differ from GW. I listened to an interview with him recently and he spoke of working at power plants with real reactors. He mainly thinks that they need to get the spent fuel out as those are the most critical problems (seems obvious). He cut through some of the crazy claims that some have made like, if the rods touch each other they could explode. He claims that an un-filterable element could get released that is radio active and not good but not an explosion.

Shouldn't "trust" any website on any subject. Lot's of info out there, just need a decent decoder inside your skull.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 16:57 | 4143567 Chain Gun Smoke
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Wow, that sucks. I make more than that sitting on my ass staring at computer screens all day...

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 17:17 | 4143621 Parrotile
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I wish them the best of luck, no major seismic activity, and no major weather activity during the process. One thing in their favour - Hitachi do build very good instruments, so the crane integrity should not be an issue.

Thinking positive - when they do "get it right" and the extrication process is completed without incident, I reckon the team should receive a lot of Internatinal recognition for their work, because they really will have pushed the boundaries of current operating knowledge (and provided lots of essential "know-how", should a similar problem occur in the future).

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 17:52 | 4143710 jvetter713
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Why not pay them 10 grand a day.  Will they be alive in 2 weeks to cash the check?

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 18:18 | 4143745 daemon
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"... , Akira Ono, the Dai-Ichi plant’s chief supervisor ..."

 

 

Akira

 
It's an omen.

Even the name of the chief supervisor  is some kind "Murphy's law" problem . 


 

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:45 | 4145039 Flagit
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Akira (???, ????) is a common Japanese given name. There are several kanji for Akira. A popular kanji is ? which means "bright", "intelligent", or "clear". Though Akira is normally used to name males, it can be a female name as well. It is also a Hindu female name meaning "graceful strength".

Unrelated names with similar pronunciations occur in other cultures. In Scotland it is an anglicized female version of the Scottish male name Acair, meaning "anchor". While in Nigeria, Akira is used as a unisex name.

 

there is nothing ominous about it.

 

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 04:27 | 4145198 daemon
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"Akira (???, ????) is a common Japanese given name."

I know, I was just kidding.

I was simply refering to this :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira_%28manga%29

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 04:58 | 4145223 Bearwagon
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Okay, so if we are refering to mangas, then let's do it right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urotsukid%C5%8Dji 

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 05:28 | 4145234 daemon
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"Okay, so if we are refering to mangas, then let's do it right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urotsukid%C5%8Dji "

Well, interesting, but I don't see any nuclear catastrophe in this one, and of course, it's not titled Akira .

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 05:29 | 4145239 Bearwagon
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What else do you think has lead to all the "demons" and "beasts" and stuff? ;-)

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 05:43 | 4145251 daemon
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"What else do you think has lead to all the "demons" and "beasts" and stuff? ;-)"

Okay, you are right on this one . Now, just find me an Akira in it, and I suppose it will be perfect .

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 18:09 | 4143757 Poofter Priest
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Something to note and keep an eye on is this.

The 'pool' is tilted or leaning by all reports.

The rods are set into sleeves.

Just think for a moment....when they lift the rods out from this tilted sleeve, the rods will want to swing to acheive vertical position as required by gravity.

I would think they will have to have a sling ready for the lower part of the rod when it leaves the sleeve and controll the swing.

As said before......"good luck guys".

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 18:26 | 4143811 forwardho
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Newtons laws pertaining to gravity are natural laws. Another way of saying... reality.

These laws can't be twisted by some asshat in govt to fit their template.

Enertia is a bitch, and it will not be denied.

They will attempt to pull a fuel rod streight out of a container that is not streight.

Reality is a bitch... and then you die.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 18:09 | 4143758 are we there yet
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In the 1920's tincture of radium liquid (yes dilute radioactive radium) was sold as a health drink tonic under the name of 'Revigator'. Even stranger 500,000 'Emanators' were sold that generated radium water for hotels and homes for up to $500 each in 1925 dollars. This 'artifical health spa water' was often sold by medical doctors of that era.  The various radium water products claimed to prevent cancer, cure impotency in men and women. One product 'testone radium energizer' was a male jock strap with 20 grams of refined radium next to the genitalia.

http://books.google.com/books?id=YNns9a9zu7sC&pg=PT114&lpg=PT114&dq=tincture+of+radium&source=bl&ots=qVRoMb8Ic1&sig=tZuLA0Cj5hAalmVhXQEv-doFLwY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=E06BUuLLLerz2QXs2oG4BA&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=tincture%20of%20radium&f=false 

Tepco eployees get this for free.

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 01:48 | 4145041 Flagit
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good grab. i posted this earlier.

ok, history time.

http://www.popsci.com/archive-viewer?id=ZyoDAAAAMBAJ&pg=38&query=radioac...

from 1928, page 38. note the small article referring to poison above it.

 

http://www.popsci.com/archive-viewer?id=yaHf5PavpB8C&pg=28&query=radioac...

aug 2004, page 28. lean the story of eben byers. your jaw will hit the floor.

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 20:05 | 4144086 xray vision
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This pictures are from before the explosions.

Check out the after pics.

http://totallycoolpix.com/2011/04/inside-the-fukushima-nuclear-plant/

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 20:45 | 4144164 UncleFurker
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You'd have to pay me a lot more than $200 extra a day to go anywhere near clusterfukushima.

Also, be aware that SFP4 is a lot less of a problem than SPF3 - they can't even get anywhere NEAR that one.

Move to the southern hemisphere while they're still accepting immigrants!

 

 

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:08 | 4144221 xray vision
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 Gold is more dense than lead, so it makes better shielding.

Keep stacking..

Tue, 11/12/2013 - 09:03 | 4145477 Bearwagon
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That's right, and Rhenium is even more dense than Gold, so stack that, too.  ;-)

Mon, 11/11/2013 - 21:22 | 4144275 Shrapnel
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I love all those pretty pictures of the way things used to be, good times.

The #4 SFP no longer has the necessary properties to qualify as a "pool". All Tepco can do is keep a constant flow of water(destined for the Pacific) pouring onto/into a huge mass of twisted, radioactive steaming wreckage, some of which was the #4 SFP. But hey, at least #4's fueling crane is still there! It's inoperative(obviously), but they may be able to get some useful leverage out of it's structure. Which is more than can be said for #3 since the crane in that unit FELL INTO it's spent fuel pool.

Don't worry though, before the #4 SFP collapses and/or goes critical, the infallible Tepco will remove all 1,500+ deadly, destroyed and melted fuel rods, or whatever's left of them. They may even find those 3 pesky reactor cores that are currently "missing" before the start of the 2020 Tokyo Olympics! Either way, the athletes and attendees will all come home with more than they could have imagined!

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