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"It's Not Just Harder To Get A Job - It's Harder To Get A Good Job"
For many in the US, as WSJ reports based on the bifurcated 'recovery' in the US, the recession never ended, "we're still in it... it feels like like we're still in it and it's getting worse." Simply out, America's jobs recovery is proceeding on two separate tracks - a pattern that is persisting far longer than after past economic rebounds and lately has been growing worse. For those with decent jobs, wages are rising, albeit slowly, and job security is the strongest it has been since before the recession. But many others - the young, the less educated and particularly the unemployed - are experiencing hardly any recovery at all.
As we have vociferously explained, hiring remains weak, and the jobs that are available are disproportionately low-paying and often part-time.
Despite three years of steady job gains, and four years of economic growth, many Americans have yet to experience much that could be described as a recovery. That sort of pattern isn't unusual in the aftermath of a recession, but it usually eases as growth picks up steam.
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The two-track nature of the recovery helps explain why the four-year-old upturn still doesn't feel like one to many Americans. Higher earners are spending on cars, electronics and luxury items, boosting profits for the companies that make and sell such goods. But much of the rest of the economy remains stuck: Companies won't hire or raise pay without more demand, and consumers can't spend more without faster hiring and fatter paychecks.
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"If you look at guys with just a high-school diploma or less than a high-school diploma, those guys are still in a recession," Mr. Porcelli said. The confidence figures, he said, "really drive home this idea of a bifurcation in the U.S. economy."
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Economists aren't sure what is behind the trend, or how long it will continue. Low-wage sectors are often the first to hire during a weak recovery, and less desirable workers—whether because of their age, education or other factors—are the last people hired in almost any scenario.
"It's not just harder to get a job - it's harder to get a good job," said Harry Holzer, a professor of public policy at Georgetown University who has studied low-wage jobs. "Companies are more willing to create jobs right now if they're low-wage jobs and they don't have to pay much in benefits or make a major commitment to their employees."
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Top-line measures such as jobs and GDP often obscure the uneven progress underneath. The long-term unemployed, for example, have seen hardly any improvement in their chances of finding employment, even as job growth has been steady. The unemployment rate for those with less than a high-school diploma is 10.9%, compared with 3.8% for those with a college degree, and the unemployment rate for those under 25 is over 15%, versus 6.1% for those 25 or older.
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In the 1990s, the best job market of recent decades, "the situation of people at the bottom of the labor market improved but not dramatically," Mr. Osterman said. "Median wages have been basically flat for 30 years."
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There is no such thing as a bad job ....
Hm... somehow I agree... and then I do not.
What happens to all those "great" jobs if America runs out of hamburger meat?
TSA, Brown Shirt Army, Drone Pilot, ObamCare Signer Upper. There's plenty of options........
The answer to that is Soylent Green.
Company I work for cancelled healthcare for all employees without any compensation.
It has begun laying off older experienced employees and hiring young workers at 1/2 the pay.
Management is baffled by low company esprit de corps and disgruntled clients leaving in droves.
Seasoned employees watching the slow train wreck and dusting off resumes.
New normal corporate stupidity. This business was very profitable 5 years ago, owners are delusional.
You must be hispanic because whites won't head to the ag fields
Two down votes for the truth? What the Alice's had no tea laced with blue pill today. Anyone here ever watch a mexican work. Will smoke most caucasion teens by luch (cause they get no breaks). Yo down vote some more and make love to the chains that bind ye!
i've worked with mexicans in the fields. they are genetically and mentally predisposed to the job.
If by that you mean they are genetically and mentally unafraid of hard work in order to feed their families then you are correct. I salute your shrewed observation.
You are both right, in a way. I've never seen a white guy pop beer after beer at 1700 on the dot, and be there at 0600 with bells on though.
They aren't fed a line of BS while growing up that US kids, which I am one of, that mentally conditions them that it is wrong to work hard manually. We are now raised to go to college, get a degree, wear a suit, be a yes man, buy a big house/new car, and sit at a desk 50 hours a week.
Pardigm change. The odds just changed folks.
wear a suit, be a yes man, buy a big house/new car, and sit at a desk 50 hours a week.
Fuck that. I'd rather work in the field and live near the field. Which is why I own my own business.
As a young man I was told "If you don't have a strong mind, you better have a strong back".
New world lesson: If you have neither then run for political office.
Whites have since become so lazy that they won't do work for illegal alien wages. You're right though, we should stive to be more like Mexicans in science, engineering, crime, sanitation, and medicine. Actually, California used to have one of the best school systems in the country and now is a notch or two abopve Mississippi so we are slowly becomming more like Mexicans. Viva, diversity!
Should we assume you prefer ethnic cleansing?
Have considered the lesson the Mexican government has taught us? That maybe corruption doesn't work out to well for the average Joe? Apparently not many have.
In my working youth (60's) I had three jobs where I stood side by side Mexicans in the work place: picking grapes, picking lemons and working in an aluminum extrusion factory. They were superior to me output wise in every way because they could WORK. I was a pampered white bread boy that thought he was put out for having to mow the lawn for an allowance. Many times, over time, I've thought about their tolerance and even kindness to someone that was their inferior.
Amen, had it not been for mexicans took me under their wing and showed be how to bow to the corporate grove boss I would have starved. What? YOu are taking S.S. out of my meager wages and don't need my S.S. number. What, if I don't put 13 boxes in a 10 box bin and settle for 10 box payment so you can skim 3 you will insure I make less? To this day I don't drink OJ!
These guys must not have checked Craigslist. I see great jobs advertised all the time. In fact just last night I saw a job ad that said a person can make $100k, and from your kitchen table...sweet! They're just not looking hard enough.
Touche'. I see the construction trades are paying $12/hr for SKILLED workers-with tools. And you better be there early and get it 'er dun FAST.
wonderful market.
Skilled in that ad means 'can fog a mirror'. Seriously, these days skilled labor refers to someone who can both pass a drug test and show up for work on time for four weeks in a row. Amazing the number of people who can't meet that criterion.
Skilled workers making damn near the same as I made as an apprentice 30+ years ago. Progress.
You must have never worked a bad job before.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/howaboutthat/5077475/Is...
And that's in a country where the diet is mostly if not exclusively curry.
What about CEO of a TBTF (or most jobs in the finance industry)? You deserve every downvote you get.
We have been hacked by nsa or obama.
Obama... LIAR!
START WITH THE BIGGEST LIE OF THEM ALL... When the smarmy little traitor took office he took an oath... "I Barrack Hussein Obama pledge to prserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America"... LIAR!
Navagators... LIAR!
Obamacare... LIAR!
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IRS Persecution... LIAR!
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Climategate... LIAR!
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jesus chruist stop with the fucking false dichotomy bullshit
PLEASE JUST FUCKING STOP
YOU IDIOTS
FUCKING STOP
DAY AFTER DAY
READING YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS BLOG
IDIOTS GO RESEARCH. LEARN.
TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN.
STOP KILLING ME WITH YOUR FUCKING MYOPIA; YOUR INABILITY TO PERCEIVE ANYTHING OF CONSEQUENCE.
please spare me my sanity. PLEASE.
Hey pal, you're either with us or against us.........
I think he's swimming in the Obama Toilet Bowl and this was a cry for help.
Flush.......sound of water swirling
Bye, bye little turdie
@incubus
I'm trying to read your comment but all I can see is dat ass..
Myopia? ;-)
You know it's a guy right?
That's a guy? Shiiiite
Oh, come on. I know your head doesn't look like a paper bag in real life. Scales and fangs wouldn't surprise me.
So said every totalitarian leader
You either like totalitarianism or you hate children............
A screen name well defined
"PLEASE JUST FUCKING STOP".............. No thanks!
It is beyond belief how ZH/Tylers can post fairly factual unbiased articles and almost immediately they are followed by myopic, tunnel visioned, kool aid drinking, blaming haters, nonbelievers, uneducated twits spouting an exclusive political agenda that does nothing to unite the people against the real enemies.
"IDIOTS GO RESEARCH. LEARN.
TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN.
STOP KILLING ME WITH YOUR FUCKING MYOPIA; YOUR INABILITY TO PERCEIVE ANYTHING OF CONSEQUENCE."
It is amazing how intelligent post can be swarmed by ill informed commentors who do not research other than to look for confirmation bias, or a meme uglier than the meme taught them by their fathers. As if spoiled little kids have attacked zero hedge using it as a forum for venom to be used against the helpless while the enemy is spared. Could this in fact be the plan?
Disgrace ZH so otherwise reasonable people will stay away rather than be exposed to at the very least a view point and truths they need to know.
It is fairly obvious that research that requires critical thinking is not engaged in and ending in comments quoting some one named "Root" and thinking oh that will get themmakes one wonder how low can the comments section in ZH go? Consistently dissing the down trodden while they themselves are victims of the very elite they claim to hate. Me thinks they are bogus shills that may be trying to kill ZH off.
I use to send ZH posts to my friends but have stopped ashamed that someone may scroll down and read the fucking comments. Little kids ranting and raving about boogey men of different colors, ethnicities and religions, while the old white mother fuckers of BOTH parties make hey on their particular prejudice.
I can only assume that a great many posters on here are to young to have lived in economic times when even those with Masters degrees had to head to the Orange groves to try and eck out a dollar or two in a free country that still embraces slavery on it's own shores much less the amount it exports.
But Karma is a bitch and it is coming because so many on here have absolutely no street cred preferring to hide behind made up screen names and measure the size of their balls by the number of guns they own but will never use.
Get it people. You do, republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, libertarians a disservice by claiming to be either. Little kids playing hitler as they whistle behind their mammas skirts past the graveyard.,
But then the advertisements on this site have increased significantly so we now know what the Tylers meant when in the beginning they unabashedly admitted to talking their own book. IF it be profitable to run a cesspoll for the lowliest form of human thought, then let it be and laugh all the way to the bank!
Fight club my ass. It's a fucking nursery school populated by wanna be bullies!
Re; You do, republicans, Democrats, Conservatives, libertarians a disservice by claiming to be either
You assume people are choosing the above.
The Red Team dumbass is authority-worshipping, kick-ass daddy, paranoid of outsiders, old-testament, crony-capitalism, fascists, "Conservative".
The Blue Team dumbass is authority-worshipping, smothering-mommy, guilt-ridden, new-testament, crony-socialism, socialists, "Liberal".
Libertarians (the ones who don't vote Red Team because of "those people") barely exists.
Nobody is thinking, it's how our brains are configured.
"Nobody is thinking, it's how our brains are configured."
Nope our brains are not configured that way or we may never have had fire. We have abdicated our responsibility to educate ourselves as opposed to shills selling snake oil to whoever is to lazy to ask, "why"? "Excuse me sir, what is your source?", "Excuse me sir what history might you be referencing?"
How can one know the truth if they do not first find their own?
"use to send ZH posts to my friends but have stopped ashamed that someone may scroll down and read the fucking comments"
Not sure why this particular discussion caused you to blow your top, but sometimes the valuable nuggets among comments are far more worthy than the original article.
In many respects the ZH environment is the Wild West--to avoid cattle poop, wear good boots.
Yes, often a Tyler will post an article featuring a 250-lb Black welfare queen driving a Caddy. This is purposeful, bringing out the enthusiastic rage and spittle crowd for ad clicks.
Not something to worry about.
Not this discussion so much. Well yeah prob. But mostly a disussion a few post back where some extolled the virtues of red light cameras under the false assumption they are effective. Proof positive that even on ZH a site that use to be populated with comments that made one think, search and think some more, has degraded to the level of other sites where the uninformed are to fucking lazy to get informed. Not only that, they verbalize their ignorance as if they are proud of it. And the theives get richer off the bodies of the innocents! Other than that, its been a good day. Besides this is fight club as I have been reminded. Are you suggesting I tone it down or back off?
You have been outed. Give it up.
Wasn't hiding. Everything you want to know can be found if you look.
Probably because the comments are full of anti-semitic bullshit veiled with false logic and misunderstandings of the financial systems.
Probably because there are several people who claim that all should work for their wealth, bragging that they grow their own food and make things, yet never discuss what methods they use to price their goods when sold to others - that don't seem to realize hard physical labor is not the only valuable service to be provided to society - even as they prattle away on the internet.
Probably because anyone who states an opinion differing from the consensus of the ZH population is made fun of and those who splooge the same old pro-gold, everything-must-crash mantra over and over are cheered.
Posted by yet another five-week wonder.
So, after all the years, that's the best you can do? In five weeks he presents more truth than your four years. Must bo tough for you old timers to see the tide change. There has been more intelligent posting tonight than I've seen in awhile BIT-CHEEZE!
Up.
ZH uses finance as a front to be a right wing, red meat web site.
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Every once in a while a ZH needs to clean the pipes just to bring the hacks to the surface. You bit, hook line and sinker. Think Ill go Salmon fishing tomorrow.
I've always been up front on the surface. Screen name is pretty much how I am known. I have bit many a hook line and sinker. But have yet to be pulled into the boat. Good fishing to ya.
Understanding emperical evidence is a bitchless journey. It either works for you or against you. The problem is most people cant seperate truth from fiction. Highest average catch in history this year. 20-30 lbs on the sac.
"Understanding emperical evidence is a bitchless journey". Stupid statement, but, I am interested if the 'sac' means the Sacramento? I can forgive your stupid for being a king fisherman. You can be stupid and OK all at once.
I'm relieved you have nothing against transsexuals and illegal aliens. That was quite a list you put up.
Hmmm, where at this time of year? Kings?
Up. Does ak have anything to do with AK?
Tuck you.
ha!!!! You're wrong man. One has a D and one has R next to it. Big difference.
Your outed also obviously
LOL! The child president really isn't a POS, never mind!
Conservatism is letting rich pretty boy Eric Cantor stand very close to your ass. Boner is a good example.
What the fuck is wrong with homosexuals, prostitutes, drug addicts, illegal aliens and transsexuals?
And Blame Bush...LIAR! ??? Get real, Bush is Obama's daddy when it comes to bankster bailouts, spying and war.
If you like your president you can keep your president.
It's very easy to get a job. It's very difficult to find one that can support yourself.
If you have no skills, are fat and lazy, you deserve to live like a pile of shit. If you're motivated, fit, educated, savvy and experienced, you're making an abundance of moolah. Finally our economy is handing out some social justice.
Which was your favorite Rand book? A lot of people liked Atlas Shrugged.
"Shortly after “Atlas Shrugged” was published in 1957, Mr. Greenspan wrote a letter to The New York Times to counter a critic’s comment that “the book was written out of hate.” Mr. Greenspan wrote: “ ‘Atlas Shrugged’ is a celebration of life and happiness. Justice is unrelenting. Creative individuals and undeviating purpose and rationality achieve joy and fulfillment. Parasites who persistently avoid either purpose or reason perish as they should.”
Hint -- Greenspan thinks we're all parasites unless we belong to the Club. Second Hint -- you're not in the club either.
Re: Second Hint -- you're not in the club either.
Libertarianism survives on the fantasy that - surely, if we had a TRUE "survival of the fittest economy" - those doing the most Libertarian fantasizing would, of course, be the most fit (and would then have access to all the females with the largest teeth).
If we had a true survival of the fittest economy half these hate mongers would be hiding in the closet praying to their gun. My suspicion, a large number of posters on this site are getting screwed by corporations and banks. What are you doing about it besides hating blacks, jews, hispanics and whoever else you may define as a liberal as your definition changes ad infinitum!
what are we doing?? BTFD!!! what else?
poor deluded Annie also championed that all corporations should be allowed to monitor themselves, free from any laws-why, they would all do "the right thing" cuz it would be in their "best interests" to do so! ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Re: Finally our economy is handing out some social justice.
Yeah, just like in the 1880's. And then Libertarians and "Conservatives" wonder where all the social program came from...
Too bad the Libertarians can't do a simple 2 move look-ahead and try to figure out what happens AFTER the top 10% own everything of value.
Hint, the top 5% then take everything from the bottom 95%. See how this game works?
Diminising returns.
Who wants trailer homes, 12 year old Impalas, crushed Lazy Boy recliners stinking if tacos and farts?
Time will come you will be on your knees thanking God if the trailor don't leak. Oh excuse me, you might be white and that will never happen to you. My bad.
I used to own a trailer that didn't leak, didn't have heat or AC (had a fireplace I put in) and I got on my knees and thanked God for it every day...and I am white. The first part of your post was spot on, the second, not so much.
Plus.
Indentured servants. Welcome to Amerika, freed by the Tea Party minions controlled by the Koch/Cock Brothers and Justices Scalia and Thomas. Good God it's a shame they established the FDA. I liked it so much better when some poor repetitive injury stricken butchers hand enhanced my hamburger for those who hate unions. Read a freaking book!
Ok, I take it back...lol.
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As much as I like to stick with my cracka brethren, you lost me when you laid down your bike in the middle of the intersection with the TP shit.
I've yet to get a check/email or even thank you note from "the Cock Brothers" so I fail to see how I'm "controlled" and I looked at your bio & the link to Occupy, which I was willing to overlook...until you went full retard on TP.
So now we understand each other I guess.
Governments only good when it taxes the people to inspect beef and only bad when it taxes to bail out Wall Street.
Gotcha ;-)
Apparently it is a focus group tested talking point.
They are always supposed to say koch brothers when they say tea party.
Its almost robotic isn't it?
Apparently "teabagger" fell out of favor with the focus groups for some reason ;-)
As an early tea party supporter who even spoke at one of the early conventions early on I saw the ruse/scam. Occupy and the Tea Party had similiar initial goals. Both blew it. "We the people" are the government. If it is fucked up, "We the People" must accept the blame and the responsibility. Government is a necessity. It's role is to "SERVE" the people "equaly" as ,
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
"Occupy and the Tea Party had similiar initial goals."
Actually only one...no Wall Street bailouts.
You, fucker, are disturbing the ZH Wa. My father saw a man slain, in coal country PA, as a union organizer trying to get something more for the wops, krauts and bohunks. I laugh out loud at the pampered dick-bird intelligensia with no real life experiences here. No one here is has suffered privation.
I worked for three years in a defence company that was privatised. The government gave the holding company 100 million GBP a year to run it. To maximimize profits the company closed the scientists library, stuck them all 2 to an office, and best of all, closed down the military barracks where they were housed, thus decreasing the disposable income of the scientists by 95% over night.
Not everything should be privatised, especially when it makes weapon systems that can take out cities. The unions did fuck all. Eventually the company had to be renationalized.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-union_violence
"If you're motivated, fit, educated, savvy and experienced, you're making an abundance of moolah."
You got a source for that? Because if you don't it is nothing but crap spittle!
Can personal experience be an acceptable source professor?
Ever tried to make your fortune while being known as a Nationalist? All the cushy jobs are given to PC tards.
YOu do not have to be a professor to understand the answer to that question is "no". Unless you are shallow enough to believe your personal experience is everybodys personal experience.
uncle.bigs said: "If you have no skills, are fat and lazy, you deserve..."
Lloyd? Lloyd Blankfein? Is that you?
Or is this Monsieur Dimon?
Now that retirement is not an option, the older people among us will be so glad to get that fast food job so that the younger people can have all those good great jobs the economy is making.
I have no choice. I am working until I die.
You can have this job when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.
i read somewhere that MacDonalds has so much labor to pick from that they require BA degrees.......true or not?
im willing to bet all the hard liners were born with silver spoons-or nipples in their mouths-much like chicken hawks-always in favor of war=but would never dare voluteer to fight one---or their pampered children
Figure out a minimum annual earnings amount. Eliminate the minimum wage and all other Federal social-programs (the states can do what they want, that's their business). Let the IRS handle the difference between what people earn and what the minimum.
"Figure out a minimum annual earnings amount. Eliminate the minimum wage"
??????????????????
Or just bring more Chinese immigrants in and then you can drive the wages to zero. Nice one Cohen.
A guaranteed income? Yeah, that'll solve all our problems.
This was in a PowerPoint presentation by Hank Paulson in 2008; veiwed by a select few in Brussels.
The juice won't have any problems getting jobs. Neither the work-to-welfare FSA crowd, I guess affirmative action has it's perks these days with King Affirmative in office.
Oh, brother!
Over.
Keep on Tweeting and Facebooking yourselves into 3rd world status you stupid fucks
I'm tweeting on you that you are not a rocket scientist, and facebooking you into the wall, so forget about finishing that warped drive, wookie... ain't no NASA no more anyway, daddy baby momma...
You need a job? You can rake my leaves. If you do a good job I will put in a good word for you with my neighbor.
Too lazy to care about school when you were younger, huh? Too busy partying?
Now the nerds have the cash and the hot chicks. And you are raking my leaves and faking a disability to get an SSI check.
Buwahahahajaha. Ouch. I think I sprained my stomach.
Why do I have the feeling that Carl's a nerd but gots a hot wife now?
How much do you pay to rake leaves?
damn welll better pay your rent and buy food for the yung'uns or whats the point?
>Economists aren't sure what is behind the trend
If economists are that dumb, how come they got jobs?
America has been hollowed out over the last fifty years and no economist has noticed, wtf?
I know engineers that have submitted thousands of job applications. Without much of an employer response.
If anyone wonders why the economy is crashing, certainly under-employment of people who make things is to blame.
"Simply out, America's jobs recovery is proceeding on two separate tracks - a pattern that is persisting far longer than after past economic rebounds and lately has been growing worse."
That is because it is a depression and financial fraud continues unabated. More financial fraud is not going to produce a recovery.
"Economists aren't sure what is behind the trend, or how long it will continue."
Economists aren't sure. Maybe they should look around at all the unabated financial fraud and government fraud, which is papering over the underlying problem.