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Russian Lawmaker Who Believes The Antichrist Is Coming, Proposes Bill To Ban Dollars In Russia

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Attracting some attention in Russian media today is proposed legislation by State Duma lawmaker Mikhail Degtyarev of Vladimir Zhirinovsky's controversial Liberal Democratic Party and former candidate for mayor of Moscow (where he got 2.86% of the vote), who seeks to ban dollar deposits and transactions at Russian banks warning that the U.S. dollar is on the brink of collapse. As Moscow Times reports, "Mikhail Degtyaryov said the dollar will collapse in 2017 if U.S. national debt continues to grow at the current rate, and he cautioned that countries with a high dependence on the currency would suffer an economic disaster... In light of this, the fact that confidence in the dollar is growing among Russian citizens is extremely dangerous," he said in an explanatory note attached to the bill, according to Interfax.

Degtyarev's proposed anti-USD capital controls would impose the ban within a year of its passage, and the holder of a dollar account would need to spend the money, convert it into another currency, or see the bank convert the account into rubles at the average rate for the previous year.

Russians could still buy and sell dollars while abroad, hold dollar deposits in foreign banks, and engage in e-commerce.


The legislation would not apply to the Central Bank, the government, the Foreign Ministry, the Defense Ministry, the Foreign Intelligence Service, the Federal Security Service and the Federal Treasury.


It was unclear when the bill might come up for a first hearing and whether it would find enough support in the pro-Kremlin legislature to be passed into law.

But before anyone scrambles to convert all their dollars into crisp rubles, keep in mind this is the same candidate who previously proposed banning gay and bisexual men from donating blood, paid days off for menstruating women, and has said he believes Russia will lead the world in vanquishing the Antichrist.

But that's just the beginning. FP recently did a full profile on Degtyarev:

Meet the man who not only would like to lead Moscow in battle against Satan, but would also like to give women two days leave from work every month during menstruation.

For Degtyarev, the battle between good and evil is one that plays out in intensely nationalist terms. "I can say as a believer that I believe in the apocalypse from the point of view of faith. And I think we must prepare," Degtyarev said on Friday. "I believe that we'll defeat the Antichrist -- I'm sure of it -- and that Russia will lead the fight against the Antichrist."


But Degtyarev has no patience for the portended apocalypses of other religions. Late last year, he launched a campaign to stop Russian media from reporting on the possibility that the end of the Mayan calendar foretold the end of the world. "In our compatriots' interests, we ask you to pay attention to the dissemination of pseudo-scientific information about the end of the world in your media," he said in addressing the coverage.


Incidentally, Degtyarev serves as the deputy head of the science and technology committee in the Duma.


But Degtyarev isn't just a kooky crusader for Christ. He's perhaps best known for his initiative to give women paid leave during menstruation. Last month, he introduced a bill in the Duma that would require employers to provide their female employees two days off every month during what he called their "critical days."


"In this period, the majority of women experience psychological and physical discomfort," Degtyarev said at the time. "Often the pain for the fair sex is so intense that they are forced to call an ambulance."


The language of that legislation reads like something of an homage to male condescension: "Strong pain induces heightened fatigue, reduces memory and work-competence and leads to colorful expressions of emotional discomfort. Therefore scientists and gynecologists look on difficult menstruation not only as a medical, but also a social problem."



Degtyarev's nationalism was on full display earlier this week during a visit to a traditional Russian bath house, where he made a shirtless appearance before the cameras clad only in a towel and a traditional Russian hat. In an interview, which you can view below, he declared that when the plague struck Europe, Russians were largely immune to the effects of the disease because of the restorative properties of the banya. Such are the powers, Degtyarev claims, of traditional Russian culture.


In other words, it is safe to assume the dollar will be widely used in Russia for a quite a while longer.

More importantly, the erosion of the dollar's credibility will not take thanks to the efforts of fringe lunatics abroad, but thanks to America's very own non-fringe lunatics, especially those located in the Marriner Eccles building.


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Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:09 | 4151021 Seer
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Well, a one-hit-wonder still came up with a HIT.  Being right about one thing is better than being wrong about everything.  I can agree with this message, the messenger? um, well, not so much...

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:15 | 4151054 Aeternus
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In russia, vodka drinks you!

Na zdorovye!



Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:18 | 4151075 Pladizow
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"....this is the same candidate who previously proposed banning gay and bisexual men from donating blood, paid days off for menstruating women, and has said he believes Russia will lead the world in vanquishing the Antichrist."

Soooooo, he's more credible then Obama!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:30 | 4151130 rwe2late
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Is there nothing worse they can criticize him about? One may disagree, but there is at least a credible basis for such advocacy:


the AIDS problems in Russia,

and the fact that some menstrating women may have more grounds for a legitimate "sick day" than many others who call in sick.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:34 | 4151156 jcaz
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.....Behold, the future Treasurer of BitCoin......

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:31 | 4151420 New England Patriot
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Actually Gog and Magog get pretty soundly beaten by Israel in the last days.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:40 | 4151465 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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don't under estimate the russian orthodox church

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:30 | 4151998 TwoCats
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Not by Israel, read your Bible  (Ezek. 38 for those unaware).  God himself has to step in and deal with that one.  But, judging by the aftermath, Russia won't have enough army to lead much of anything after that.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:33 | 4152012 pot_and_kettle
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neither will europe, and for that I will be glad

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 19:22 | 4152167 stiler
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Russia won't have any army left. It is annilated along with the entire eastern balance of power. It's in the text that "only a sixth part" of the force, consisting of Russian, Iranian, German, Turk and Somalian, will survive. The original text says "not even a sixth". Also fire and brimstone is rained down on Russia and "the isles" (?) They are politically destroyed. This event marks the end of the east/west balance of power and the beginning of a OWGov.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:31 | 4151421 Deo vindice
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Say what you will, but given a choice I would rather not have blood from a practicing homosexual either.

By a huge percentage, they are the most likely to carry HIV.

This has nothing to do with "hating homosexuals", and everything to do with common sense self-preservation.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:42 | 4151475 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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actually all points have some upside unless you are the husband of the menstrating wife....  reality kinda sucks but it is what it is

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:48 | 4151240 rubiconsolutions
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".....paid days off for menstruating women...."

Bloody well right they should.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:44 | 4151486 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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well played sir

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:54 | 4151538 Zero Point
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Precious bodily fluids.... It's a commie plot!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:31 | 4152005 TwoCats
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Preceless reference!  Love it.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:20 | 4151082 I am more equal...
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The anti-christ is here.....









Hail satan... er... I mean Mr. President

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:21 | 4151092 john39
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low level minion, at best.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:37 | 4151153 DaveyJones
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Here in America, lobbyists for the AntiChrist just pushed through an anti-vanquish measure

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:35 | 4151168 Pegasus Muse
Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:40 | 4151461 ebear
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Flying grenade monkey

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:33 | 4152015 TwoCats
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A popular line of thought re. the Antichrist is that there has always been someone ready to step up and become the Antichrist.  When the time is right (the world is ready for a dictator again), the current candidate will be ready and waiting.  Obama is just the current candidate.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:16 | 4151060 Headbanger
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Since when are the Ruskies so religious!!  I liked em better as a godless evil empire to fear becoming.  Now they is us??

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:17 | 4151072 Seer
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You have to address people at the lowest levels in order to get their attention.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:25 | 4151111 willwork4food
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Now we have become the evil godless empire.

 I always thought Babylon refered to the kingdom of the north (USSR).  How wrong I was.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:31 | 4151993 stant
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nope its the yankees, tried to tell ya 150 yrs ago

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:41 | 4151185 DaveyJones
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That East Orthodox never left, it just laid low for a while. Churches usually outlive their political competition  

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:15 | 4151285 JR
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The American media always makes a mistake when discussing the Russian people. They were a moral people with an incredible background in strength and discipline; but they were occupied by the Bolsheviks and dominated by them throughout the murdering regimes of Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin and their henchmen  --  all of this supported heavily by Jewish bankers in New York and Jewish family activists in the Soviet Union.

Ironically, when the Soviet Union fell and hundreds of thousands of Jews left for America and Israel, a poll was taken to ask Russians if they favored return of the Jews; 91% said “no.”

The media, of course, was so surprised that throughout it all the Russian people had retained their faith in God.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:11 | 4151633 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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heck, they could look at us now with our hoppleheads and say the same thing, but yet here in the heartland, the Word is still somewhat taken seriously by a remnant... and i believe that remnant will persevere even if this country does not

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:34 | 4152020 pot_and_kettle
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+100 if I could, JR

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:07 | 4151624 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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something about persecution and christianity that seems to bring out the real stuff... reading heavenly man about chinese house churches... these people make the evangelicals look like atheists... makes me want to smuggle bibles into korea

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:17 | 4151067 Say What Again
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Patrick Swayze never looked so good.  I didn't know he could speak russian

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:43 | 4151207 rubiconsolutions
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"The legislation would not apply to the Central Bank, the government, the Foreign Ministry, the Defense Ministry, the Foreign Intelligence Service, the Federal Security Service and the Federal Treasury."

Comrade says - "Do as we say, not as we do."

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:09 | 4151022 tsx500
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newsflash :  the antichrist has already arrived ... his nickname is "President Stompyfeet"

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:29 | 4151412 DosZap
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and has said he believes Russia will lead the world in vanquishing the Antichrist.Well that is a dead give away,NO ONE save ONE rids the world from the Antichrist, and HE is not of this world.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:37 | 4152028 pot_and_kettle
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His heart is in the right place.  *Some* of his proclamations, not so sure...

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:10 | 4151023 Son of Captain Nemo
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A toast to "Mikhail Degtyaryov".

The American Dollar has made itself the "Antichrist".

Put it to death before it kills everyone!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:22 | 4151098 john39
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well, the dollar certainly has the right symbols all over it...  oh wait, that is just supposed to be art or something.  my bad.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:33 | 4151149 Son of Captain Nemo
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The American People have allowed themselves to make the $$$ into the "Antichrist"

Fixed it!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:34 | 4151429 JR
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And by putting it to death, the American people would put to death the most blatant scam of all history, the grand illusion that calls the Federal Reserve Note "money."

The wrote in 2006: “Between 1783 and 1913, the U.S. dollar was a real store of wealth. Except during war-time periods, inflation within the U.S. was essentially zero. If you saved one dollar in 1800, a hundred years later you could still purchase approximately the same amount of goods with that dollar.

But then in 1913 something changed, and the U.S. dollar started down a long, steady road of dollar devaluations. Using the U.S. government’s own figures, to obtain the same amount of purchasing power of $100 in 1913, you would need $2,038.38 in 2010. “

One of the explanations for the sharp decrease in the dollar’s value from 1900 to 1913 before the Fed cartel was activated in 1914 is explained by G. Edward Griffin: “The concentration of control over financial resources was far advanced by 1910.  In the United States, there were two main focal points of this control: the Morgan group (Rothschild) and the Rockefeller group.  Within each orbit was an intricate maze of commercial banks, acceptance banks, and investment firms.  In Europe, the same process of financial concentration had proceeded even further and had coalesced into the Rothschild group and the Warburg group.”

It was in 1910 that Paul Warburg--a partner in Kuhn, Loeb & Company - a representative of the Rothschild banking dynasty in England and France - and brother to Max Warburg who was head of the Warburg banking consortium in Germany and the Netherlands—met on Jekyll Island off the coast of Brunswick, Georgia, in secret to birth plans for the Fed banking cartel to protect its members from competition.

US Dollar Purchasing Power During the 20th Century:

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:10 | 4151024 Dr. Engali
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Well he got one thing right. Russia did vanquish Zero from Syria.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:13 | 4151044 HardAssets
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This Russkie is freakin' nuts !

If he thinks the dollar will last for another 4 years

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:37 | 4152025 TwoCats
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Timing is always a difficult thing to call.  He is nuts if he believes he knows the timing.  But, I upvoted you anyway.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:18 | 4151076 RSloane
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There are people on the US House Foreign Relations  Committee who think 1] if you put too many people on Guam it will tip over and sink: and 2] there are two Viet Nams and this congressperson likes the southern one better.

Given that backdrop how bad could this guy be?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:28 | 4151129 Son of Captain Nemo
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Kudos to your perfect rebuttle.

I would certainly want to add "Lyndsey" Graham and John McC'insane' to that list as paid operatives of the IsraHell/U.S. Government.

Bottom line, if we were paying attention to our lawmakers in Washington we wouldn't have had Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan Libya, Syria (soon to be Iran) and destination(s) unknown with Operation Twist and QE infinity paying for all of them.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:39 | 4151164 RSloane
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By all means yes! Putin had the best explanation for McCain: anyone who was exposed to the vile treatment and torture as a POW that McCain described in his autobiography  would naturally be insane. There are clips of it on Russia Today.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:57 | 4151284 Son of Captain Nemo
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Truth be told.  Putin's comments were justified, but he misspoke when he artributed McCain's treatment with those of his fellow POWs.

Too much is already out there that his treatment was better than many of his fellow inmates because of the status he held as a bargaining chip to the North Vietnamese. 

His father being a high ranking Admiral and also another "sellout" to his Country in the subsequent cover up of the U.S.S. Liberty incident.

I believe McCain was wired at birth that way the same as Dick Cheney.  As for Lady Graham?...  The Mossad have a regular pension for the little cross dresser of gift coupons at any Jimmy Choo's boutique of his choosing.


Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:09 | 4151342 RSloane
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Putin's statements about McCain were soley based on what McCain claimed his experiences were. Putin knew McCain was advocating the bombing of Syria and in its beautiful symplicity Putin was saying : if everything you say is true then naturally you are insane. How was McCain going to respond to that - no really I lied in my book so just ignore it? Putin gave him no out other than to shut up.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:24 | 4151401 Son of Captain Nemo
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Your points well taken.

But when you are talking about the "worst-of-the-worst" on this planet that should have never been allowed to become an aviator let alone a career politician you can't help but want to denigrate and scourge the SOB any way that you possibly can.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:57 | 4151281 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Bottom line, if we were paying attention to our lawmakers

That's true, but it's pretty much true too that citizens have never been able to control politicians because the politicians are sociopaths.   

Unfortunately, the only way to "control" them is to starve them.    A broke government can't do any damage.   And the citizens do take notice when taxes are raised to pay for the government.

But, also unfortunately, the sociopaths have figured out a way around that.   Both Teams have agreed never to raise taxes but instead finance all the fun Big-Gov stuff with debt.    The citizens even demand their taxes not be raised AND want their Big-Gov stuff.   

The sociopaths win, the citizens living off of Big-Gov win,  the banksters win,  democracy loses.   Oh well.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:16 | 4151944 Urban Redneck
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Sort of depends on your definition of a "tax"...

The proposed EPA water rules make ZeroCare look tame-

(warning: the scanned document download link in the Bloomberg article is 200MB)

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:11 | 4151032 l1b3rty
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and everyone thought Bitcoin would be the first to be banned! or gold, silver

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 19:47 | 4152242 TheHound73
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Aye, if they (try to) ban the dollar they can (try to) ban any medium of exchange.  People should be free to exchange value as they see fit and will do so anyways.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:11 | 4151034 NoTTD
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But before anyone scrambles to convert all their dollars into crisp rubles, keep in mind this is the same candidate who previously proposed banning gay and bisexual men from donating blood, paid days off for menstruating women, and has said he believes Russia will lead the world in vanquishing the Antichrist.

Sound policies for a greater Russia.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:11 | 4151035 NOTaREALmerican
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This guy should consider running for election here. 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:21 | 4151093 Seer
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Here they'd dump the money part (like they had done with Ron Paul for year after year) and go with the rest (just like they do with electing folks like Lindsey Graham).

Sometimes it's not really "extremism," some times it's just good old fashioned "stupid."

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:12 | 4151040 Sonic the porcupine
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The American red cross also bans homosexuals from donating blood. I beleive the thought is they are more likely to have AIDs.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:13 | 4151043 0b1knob
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Frequents bath houses?   Wears a hat that can ONLY be described as gay? (No offense intended)  Hates gays and bisexuals?   Terrified of women, especial MESTRUATING women?

He is so deep in the self hating gay closet he can probaly see Narnia....

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:16 | 4151061 walküre
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He's probably blown a few priests and liked it.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:16 | 4151065 CrimsonAvenger
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No offense intended? Not good enough. You've infuriated the gay hat lobby. I hope you're prepared for the consequences.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:17 | 4151373 HardAssets
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That hat must be a Russian cultural thing (according to the article).

If he runs for office in the U.S. he better switch to a good Stetson or a baseball cap turned around backazz.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:25 | 4151107 Seer
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If he's like Lindsey Graham he'll do a turn-around (yeah, there's a pun there) and support that which he's become famous for bashing.  Maybe the Russian voters figured this out (why they didn't vote him in) and don't want gay marriages*?

* It's so confusing!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:31 | 4151140 HardAssets
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Its a sauna - - - a big thing in Russia and northern Europe (Sweden, Finland, etc)

Never went for them as I don't like super hot, high humidity. But if the Swedish Bikini Team were inside I'd grin and bear it.

Haven't traveled much, have you ?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:37 | 4151167 0b1knob
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Yes I've travels some and I know that the definition of what make a man a homosexual varys greatly from one country or culture to another.   In Russia, England, arab countries, most spanish speaking countries, and the southern US when one man butt bones another only the bottom is considered to be gay.   The top is just having a good time.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:49 | 4151239 Flakmeister
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As exhibited in Deliverance...


Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:05 | 4151320 Carl Popper
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Lol. That has been the standard definition for thousands of years. Only the bottom is gay.

A guy getting a blowjob from a guy or fucking him up the ass isn't gay, he is just settling for low quality pussy if the high quality stuff isnt available.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:19 | 4151381 HardAssets
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too much detail

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:48 | 4151510 ebear
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"too much detail"

Yeah, waaay too much!

Can we talk about bitcoin now?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:41 | 4151467 Gunga
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   You don't know people of the southern USA.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:57 | 4151869 TheObsoleteMan
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In Russia, bath houses are used to detox from a hangover. They are also used to fight off sicknesses like the cold and flu. Great place to catch something.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:18 | 4151673 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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no offense, but it is this bs that helps perpetuate the stupid american stereotype...

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:17 | 4151052 One And Only
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The dollar is a shit wipe. Its a receipt that an immoral politician made an immoral obligation. Its backed by nothing and has been Chris Browned by our political edifice know  as the US dysfunctional government.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:17 | 4151070 Flakmeister
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Tea Party social conservatives  will be recruiting this guy for the 2014 midterms...

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:21 | 4151087 RSloane
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 The two politicians that I mentioned above who are on the foreign relations committee who believe there are two viet nams and that if too many people are on Guam it will tip over and sink are both Democrats.


Go go Red Team/Blue Team twats.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:52 | 4151257 Flakmeister
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I won't deny that there are some seriously dumb fucks on the Blue Team, but when it comes to social issues, no one can touch the Red Team...

I'll call and raise you one Mourdock...

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:20 | 4151689 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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your statement is true only when you listen to what the blue team has to say about the red team... but then again it should be no fucking surprise that they will portray the tea partiers as dimwits... but the real dimwit is the idiot that believes what the opposition has to say about their opponent... 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 10:26 | 4151836 Flakmeister
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What the fuck are you talking about:

"I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize life is that gift from God. And I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen."

followed by his "retraction":

"God creates life, and that was my point. God does not want rape, and by no means was I suggesting that he does. Rape is a horrible thing, and for anyone to twist my words otherwise is absurd and sick." 

I think I am very capable of understading the position of Mr. Mourdock....

Here is the video of him saying it:


And then there is this guy:

And it is very clear that this whackjob has no place on the House Science Committee let alone Congress...


Do I need to bring Todd Aiken, another person unfit to be on the House Science Committee...

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:39 | 4151095 Magnix
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Yes, anti-christi is coming to rule the world. Theres no way they will defeat him and nonbelievers will LOVE him!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:22 | 4151096 Jack Burton
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From my several trips to the former Soviet Union and modern day Russia, I came away with a real understanding of how deep nationalsim runs inside that country. It also attracts some funny sorts, with all kinds of beliefs that seem to reflect old Russia in the days of the Czars and serfdom. The way I choose to look at it is. It is their country they have defended it in world wars and against centuries of assault by Muslim neighbors to the south. Russia was once famous as the place the Muslim world obtained it's slaves, raiding Ukraine and Southern Russia for slaves went on for ages.

If they want to be a little crazy at times, that is their right. They earned it on the battle fields, and this is their attitude. As for the dollar, fuck yes, if I were Russian I would want that green shit paper banned from my nation. Bernanke and his central banker gang are criminals, using the world reserve currency, the dollar, as a world wide agent of theft. It amazes me that any independent, strong nation would ever even want to deal with Bernanke's Green Ass Wipe. Every time the dollar is used in trade, it allows America to steal a % of the transaction. It is the only source of ecnomic power left to the USA.

China and Russia, along with Brazil and others are growing increasingly sick of giving America it's cut of wealth every time a trade must be made in dollars. Even the US government is now speaking of the Dollar as World Reserve Currency as an issue of vital national security. Those type of words imply military force in enforce dollar usage. Good luck with invading Russia to fore them to buy and use dollars in all their trade transactions. This is where the weakness of America become apparent, when it must deal with any nation that possesses a vital source of national defense. China has caught on, they build arms to ensure freedom from US threats. We are stuck fighting the smaller nations who try and break away from the dollar. Libya, Iraq, Syria and Iran. China and Russia, and up and coming nations like Brazil are now pretty much immune to US military attacks.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:36 | 4151141 Carl Popper
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Lol. The russians know their history all right, especially about their own governments as well. They are of course a little distrusting of the dollar, but the ruble? They are even more distrusting-er.

You left out that part.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:40 | 4151190 Seer
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??? No mention of the hordes of men wearing "Gott Mit Uns" on their belt buckles?

"Good luck with invading Russia to fore them to buy and use dollars in all their trade transactions."

The US doesn't invade real opponents.  Al qaeda was created for invading Russia.

All war strategists know that success has everything to do with being able to maintain supply lines.  Empire expansionism always fails when supply lines become too hard to maintain.  That's a LONG way to maintain supply lines (to maintain forces to go head-to-head with the Russians There).

Getting back to THE strategy, Brzezinski clearly exposed it all in The Grand Chessboard.  The Russians, however, turned the tide when they shed the USSR and regrouped.  The Cyprus gambit is where it truly turned.  That in turn has given them sound footing for push-back in Syria.  One need only review how negatively Syria has been painted in the US media for YEARS AND YEARS to understand how it all works.  No Syria, no Iran.  And on the  Iran front it looks like the US is aware that they're going to lose it via their long-standing strategy, in which case they're going to try the "join-them" crowd: pretty common for the US to jump on board with despotic govts, especially ones that have lots of oil.  I don't believe, however, that Iran will crawl in bed with the US- it'll keep both of its suitors on the line (both the US and Russia).

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:55 | 4151270 Chewybunny
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lol "regrouped".

It had more to do with jeans than any kind of semblence of nationalism or pride. The USSR was a coalition of nations and cultures that vehemently didn't trust one another due to a very very contetious history. Ukrainians don't like Russians. Moldovans don't like Russians. Azerbajaini, Kazakhs Georgia (well some parts), and baltic countries sure as hell don't like Russians. But they were all part of the USSR. Hell, at this point, not even Russians like Russians. The country is a desolate wasteland of post-soviet infrastructural failure. Go outside of St. Petersburg and Moscow and you'd see a civilization of people who, for the most part, have little regard for their own lives, let alone others.


I'm thankful every goddam day my whole family left the USSR when I was a kid.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:46 | 4151227 HardAssets
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Jack Burton - I spent some time in the USSR and Russia too. Its nice to read comments from someone who has actually been there and knows what the country is like from personal experience. Some people spouting off here are clueless dumazzes.

Have no idea as to whether the criminal leadership in Russia and China are in league with the Anglo-American criminals or not. Many say Putin is a Russian nationalist; of course, we don't know what happens behind the scenes. People on the ground in the US and Russia wouldn't be too happy to think they might be incorporated in a NWO. The Russians are a very proud people.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:22 | 4151701 SilverRhino
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Been there too.  Moscow and Kazan.  They are proud, but most of them think Zhirinovsky is a joke. 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:23 | 4151102 fooshorter
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O! Is the president visiting? Im not surprised HE has thing for strong men.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:47 | 4151105 Theta_Burn
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Seems quite young for Russian politics. so he believes in the power of banya what ever the fuck that is... we have Joe Biden who believes in the power of Gin, and many call him a statesman. Menstruation pains well lets say my wife would vote for him.


Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:26 | 4151115 BlackVoid
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"But before anyone scrambles to convert all their dollars into crisp rubles, keep in mind this is the same candidate who previously proposed banning gay and bisexual men from donating blood, paid days off for menstruating women, and has said he believes Russia will lead the world in vanquishing the Antichrist."


Sounds pretty sensible to me.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:55 | 4151256 HardAssets
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Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:27 | 4151120 Carl Popper
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Goes to show that only cranks believe in the dollar's IMMINENT demise.

It will lose value over time. It will die someday, but it will out-survive everyone here at zero hedge.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:43 | 4151205 Seer
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Average lifespan for fiat is 41 years?  2013 - 1971... sometimes things go SO stinky that the smell can no longer can be tolerated, and out to the trash it goes...  I'm thinking that the USD fiat has exceeded its shelf-life.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:43 | 4151441 HardAssets
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Maybe it'll be a slow burn and maybe it'll crash with a Black Swan event. Who knows ?

Despite the plans of men, sometimes sh*t happens.

And what is the definition of 'imminent' - - - tomorrow, next month, or 5 years from now ?

Your last statement suggests that the dollar will last for decades, or that a lot of us are in serious physical danger.


I have absolutely no idea what's going to happen or when it will happen.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:27 | 4151123 PGR88
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Someone please tell me why banning actively gay men from donating blood is such a terrible idea?  They are a very high proportion of all HIV cases.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:33 | 4151150 RSloane
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At one point in the US medical history the largest group of people with HIV were babies born with it, usually in conjunction with cocaine addiction.

I used to just shake my head when we were in full blown hysteria about AIDS and there was talk of denying AIDS patients treatment because "they asked for it".

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:42 | 4151201 TheGardener
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One and the same disease.

Lot`s of hoaxes got debunked at ZH but has anyone yet
taken on the AIDS industry ? I`m not qualified to comment
at length on this issue but I have lately seen billboards
advertising condom use as if we were in the dark ages of
the 1980ties...

Aint no AIDS for real.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:52 | 4151516 HardAssets
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Do a websearch on the work of investigative journalist Jon Rappoport regading HIV and AIDS. He's written many articles and a book on the subject. Check it out and see what you think. He's written a great deal on various topics, but has specialized in the medical field.

Like most of the things told to us in this society, they fed us a lot of bullsh*t regarding the subject.

Ours is a society built on a mountain of b.s.


Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:45 | 4151225 Seer
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If the REAL concern is with getting HIV in the system then perhaps they'd be better served actually testing for it?

Lots of other shit out there.

If things are based on sound science (over homophobia or other emotional/political shit) then great.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:59 | 4151879 HardAssets
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What if what they told us about HIV & testing for HIV was b.s. ?

Again, start by researching the articles, book, and interviews of investigative journalist Jon Rappoport on this subject and decide for yourself.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:17 | 4151954 Bazza McKenzie
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In fact most reputable blood collection agencies in the West do exclude male homosexuals as donors, since HIV is a blood borne disease almost entirely associated with anal sex.  The author of this article displays their own ignorance on this point.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:32 | 4151142 asierguti
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As a foreigner living in Russia for some time, I can only say that you never get bored of russian politics.


Now, it's funny when you talk to many people on the streets, and they really understand what gold and silver are about, things that you don't hear in the west.


Let's put it straight. Thosse who had cash in 1990 where wiped out few times, one during the USSR fall, another time with the coup in 1993, and another one during the russian default in 1997. However, those who had gold and silver increased their wealth remarcably. Funny to see how some people that don't have a clue about economics prefer, right now, gold or silver.


But of course, Shalom Bernanke knows more about gold that anybody else, doesn't he?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:39 | 4151181 Carl Popper
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This is exactly my point and why russian love for the dollar is not going away any time soon. But they definitely love gold and silver too. They are just less efficient for the usual purposes.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:44 | 4151210 RSloane
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I visited Russia numerous times while I lived in the EU. Where in Russia did you live?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:02 | 4151309 asierguti
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Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:03 | 4151593 Seer
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I once could "see" Russia.  And no, I wasn't in Alaska! (I was in Findland.)

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:34 | 4151154 SmittyinLA
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I love the caveat

But before anyone scrambles to convert all their dollars into crisp rubles, keep in mind this is the same candidate who previously proposed banning gay and bisexual men from donating blood, paid days off for menstruating women, and has said he believes Russia will lead the world in vanquishing the Antichrist.

Obviously he's insane for proposing such public policies, next thing you know he'll be questioning female policing and a foreign homosexual lead military.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:35 | 4151161 gaoptimize
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Still, I am a fan of Zhirinovsky's position on polygamy, as a remedy for demographic collapse.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:39 | 4151179 BanksterSlayer
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Gawd I love the Russians. And an 8-ounce glass of vodka goes along way towards easing PMS, just FYI.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:41 | 4151195 JR
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Disparaging a man who proposes “ banning gay and bisexual men from donating blood,” which has killed thousands of people, shows how far we've come in losing sight of the moral principles that guided our Founders.

One definition of the Antichrist is the opposition to the teachings of Jesus Christ. And the American system with its war dollars, its Hollywood and its Federal Reserve is certainly no moral high ground. In fact, it does seem fertile territory for the Antichrist.

Witness the response to a statement made by Family Research Council President, Tony Perkins, in a Fox interview. The Family Research Council is opposing Obamacare insurance coverage for contraceptives. Said Perkins: “The Founders saw us with an aggressive ability to live our lives according to our faith… I mean, that’s why the Pilgrims came here.”

The feminist- and atheist-controlled website, Salon, reacted by suggesting in no way was America going to follow those Pilgrims; furthermore, those Pilgrims were identified as “radical, Protestant separatists from the 17th century.”

America: That’s how far we have come.

The dollar may collapse but hopefully the attack on principles used by the Founders can be overcome before America is completely destroyed. American can suvive a collapse of the dollar and revive; she cannot survive the destruction of her culture.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:49 | 4151242 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  she cannot survive the destruction of her culture

FFCS,  would you guys leave Elvis Presley alone.   It's over,  Elvis won.  

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:57 | 4151280 Seer
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Unicorns are wonderful, aren't they?

" she cannot survive the destruction of her culture."

Do you realize that you're using the FEMALE gender to describe "your" nation?  I seem to recall that the "founding FATHERS" did not give FEMALES equal voting rights. (and yes, it was up to the States to decide, but when you're setting guidelines on what the States should comply with, and you're FROM a State and you don't advocate for all within your State then you are NOT representing ALL people- the results prove this [again, the Sherlock Holmes "quote" "the dog that didn't bark"]- "intelligent" men getting it wrong means that they weren't so "intelligent" after all)

I'm glad that I don't have all those mental gymnastics to have to hurddle through day after day... why, I'm sure that the mental torment would lead one to reach out to just about anything in order to ward off those demons!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:11 | 4151351 JR
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Actually, that was the greatest display of verbal gymnastics I’ve ever seen. From unicorns to women to dogs…

Seer, let’s get something straight here. He or she is going down the tubes. And that’s one of the greatest disasters mankind has ever endured. You can cling to your principles, whatever they are, but like the rest of us, you will perish with the fall of this great nation.

And I don’t say this lightly, but we are rounding the corner to serfdom. And those countless generations of people in the world who lived under the despair of despotism throughout all those centuries, present day Americans may be able to experience exactly how they felt when the freedom is gone.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:46 | 4151221 TrumpXVI
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But what I want to know is if he's any relation to THIS Degtyaryov; the guy who designed all the Soviet era heavy machine guns:

Vasily Degtyaryov


  • Vasily Alekseyevich Degtyaryov was a Russian weapons designer, Major General of the Engineering and Artillery Service, Doctor of Technical Sciences, and Hero of Socialist Labor. He became a CPSU member in 1941.

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:45 | 4151222 Manipuflation
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    Zhirinovsky?LOL  I have been laughing at this guy for years before ZH even existed.  Zhirinovsky is considered a clown by the Russian people and so is anyone associated with him.  You have to admit that he is a funny guy though.  I do not even need to consult the Russian in the other room.

    They won't be getting rid of 100 dollars bills there or I would have heard about it before Tyler would have.  But hey, at least you can have a laugh out of it.  Zhirinovsky is a guy you almost have to respect for being such an ass.  Don't miss the train hunting, the orange juice, the prostitute and the shoe in the Duma episodes.LOL!

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 15:50 | 4151245 Sun and Moon
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    In light of this, the fact that confidence in the dollar is growing among Russian citizens is extremely dangerous," he said in an explanatory note attached to the bill, according to Interfax.

    I suspect that it is more of a case of declining confidence in the ruble than a case of rising confidence in the dollar. Back in the early 30's when confidence in the paper dollar was falling, Roosevelt responded by making it illegal to own physical gold. There is nothing new under the sun.

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:01 | 4151302 Seer
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    And maybe it's reverse psychology?  Exporting nations do better with less powerful currencies.  If this guy is viewed as a clown then what he says helps steer things in the way that benefit TPTB (there), which is usually not aimed for the benefit of the average citizen.

    Just a thought... nature operates on deception; humans are of nature.

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:00 | 4151297 rustymason
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    "But before anyone scrambles to convert all their dollars into crisp rubles, keep in mind this is the same candidate who previously proposed banning gay and bisexual men from donating blood ... "

    Fuck you, you lefty libtard piece of shit. Anyone with any sense knows that certain classes of people who engage in risky behavior should not be donating blood.

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:02 | 4151313 Seer
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    So, you've been actively campaiging to keep bankers from donating blood?

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:02 | 4151586 HardAssets
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    Seer: "So, you've been actively campaiging to keep bankers from donating blood?"

    Banksters suck blood, they don't donate it.

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:09 | 4151341 sbenard
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    What? Did he read the writing on the wall?

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:11 | 4151349 Iam Yue2
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    Don't worry, the Russian mafia would never let it happen.

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:31 | 4151418 americanspirit
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    This guy better be careful - all those Russians 'enterprises' counterfeiting US $100 bills would not be at all happy.

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:21 | 4151696 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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    i thought the bernank had taken over this operation

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:28 | 4151739 Manipuflation
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    Are you kidding me?  You have to think like a Russian, why should I bother to print these when someone else will?  The "enterprise" you speak of are actually US and European banks operating in Moscow.  That is how those notes get there.  Moscow real estate?  What a bubble!LMFAO!  The Russians in the countryside are not fools and they know exactly how to play the game.

    One thing amongst many that I do not like about Russia, is that their citizens seem to have a hard time accumulating PMs.  I have been told stories from reliable sources in Russia is that if you try to buy gold and actually accomplish this feat, you can expect that your house or flat will broken into later that night because whoever sold it to you at the bank will sell that information to a thug. 

    I have been trying to get some MOAR Russian gold coins for years now and I know many Russians who could get them but they won't risk it.  I did manage to get some silver out of the Russians recently but that was sort of a miracle.:-)  In Russia, you need all sorts of permits, registrations and other crap to own a gun but that does not stop them from owning them illegally.  The thuggery would be abated if more Russians owned firearms.

    Moscow is sold out but Russia is a huge country and probably too big for it's own good.  As the Soviet generation fades away a new breed of Russian is starting to appear from what I see.  We shall see how it goes.     


    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:31 | 4151422 Goldbugger
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    Jim Sinclair calling for the Great Leveling" starting 2014 then by 2017- 2020 then the Great Reset. at 33:00

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:42 | 4151477 the tower
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    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:05 | 4151610 TheObsoleteMan
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    The Anti-Christ isn't coming, he is already here.

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:24 | 4151714 Dull Care
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    I'd vote for this guy.  There's nothing loony about being skepticism regarding the things he mentioned. Obviously in the PC West this is crazy talk as reality has nothing on our 'feelings'.


    I especially dig the idea of women staying home during their period.

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:36 | 4151719 idontcare
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    Paid leave once a month.... give this man US Citizenship, waive the "natural born" requirement, and elect him as 45.  BTW, isn't 44 the antichrist?


     Nice hat. ;-)

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:10 | 4151922 Bazza McKenzie
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    and hasn't Putin been leading the way in squishing 44?

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:59 | 4152111 Flakmeister
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    Oh, please do explain... We are all ears...

    Just because you want it to be, does not make it so...

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 19:35 | 4152199 Dull Care
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    I would say Frank Marshall Davis's son/Soetoro/Bathouse or whoever the fuck that charlatan is was destroyed through diplomacy by Putin over the Syria crisis.

    I don't see how this can be denied. The US wanted their war, framed Assad and got called out on it.

     Vlad's a lot smarter than anyone our GMO-eating, flouride sipping public will ever elect.

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 21:15 | 4152536 Flakmeister
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    Oh, and pray tell what has become of the Syrian chemical stockpile without a shot being fired?

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 19:53 | 4152263 kiwidor
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    But for his imaginary friend(s) he'd be hot :)  .  Gotta laugh at a dude who criticises homosexuality but hangs around in saunas.  Do the math.

    I'm wondering if russian orthodox circle-jerks go right to left...?


    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 22:02 | 4152661 Oxbo Rene
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    Russia = The old America
    Amerika = The old Russia

    Wed, 11/13/2013 - 22:47 | 4152800 TyrannoSoros Wrecks
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    Interdasting he picked 2017.
    I believe the communists (democrats) in America have the goal of collapsing the country in 2017 too. That's 100th anniversary of the Russian Revolution. Symbolism is very important to communists.

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