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Sebelius Comes "Clean" On Obamacare Enrollment Numbers - 79% Miss (Full Report)

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Despite rewriting history as usual, proclaiming that the administration 'knew' early numbers would be low (not true since they estimated 500,000 and are rumored to only have ~50,000), and changing the definition of what an enrollee is, and managing our expectations via Carney's press conference, we are intrigued to see what the "huge demand" Kathleen Sebelius expected for Obamacare has actually resulted in... Perhaps she needs to call the helpline! Remember, as Peter Schiff noted, the website can be fixed, but Obamacare can't (unless, of course, more keg-standers and sluts sign up).

  • *OBAMACARE ENROLLS 106,185 IN PRIVATE HEALTH PLANS IN OCTOBER
  • 26,794 on Federal Exchange
  • 79,391 on State Exchanges

Bear in mind that this 106,185 includes those who added the plan sto their carts but did not pay - which has a ~70% cancellation rate across e-commerce platforms.

As TPM notes,

The administration was expecting 500,000 enrollments in October.

 

But as, one supporter of the law noted, "I think there's no number that's too low, the main thing that we're going to learn is that the website isn't working."

 

That internal memo with the 500,000 figure also projected a significant uptick after the first month. The administration was aiming for 3.3 million enrollments by Dec. 31 -- meaning about 85 percent were expected to occur during November and December.

Here's what she promised... "the good news is you can get started today..."

 

The Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services will release a report on the numbers at 3:30 p.m., and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius will discuss the findings on a press call then.

Remember how they crowed of the "interest"...The following inverted pyramid highlights the dismal reality of the Affordable Care Act as of a month ago...

 

We wonder just how much has changed in the last month...

 

 

 

 

rpt_enrollment.pdf

 

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Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:36 | 4151442 john39
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fail

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:45 | 4151494 Troll Magnet
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100,000 enrollees. 

15 milion policies cancelled.

 

WINNING!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:54 | 4151533 Pladizow
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And all 106K enrollees will be 60+ and otherwise uninsurable!

The fine for not enrolling will have to be increased to offset this adverse selection.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:57 | 4151564 pods
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And premiums next year will have to increase to offset the huge amount of net takers joining up.

How laughable is it when only 100k people "sign up" for something when they have a gun to their heads?

This is an unmitigated disaster.

pods

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:08 | 4151584 AlaricBalth
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Anyone else notice the footnote on pg. 1. I'll paraphrase is for you: But we're better than Romneycare!!!

And just to add to this farce, the HHS report source of the Romneycare info comes from a completely partisan rag called the New Repubic.

  http://www.newrepublic.com/article/115309/obamacare-enrollment-massachus...

The first month enrollment experience in the Marketplace exceeds comparable first month enrollment in theCommonwealth Care program in the Massachusetts Health Connector. In Massachusetts, the number of premium-paying enrollees who signed up during the first month of enrollment was 123 or 0.3 percent of thetotal enrollment of 36,167 at the end of the year.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:15 | 4151661 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Romneycare

That LIEBRAL!   Good thing the Red Team didn't run a RINO like that for President, not a SINGLE "Conservative" would have voted for someone like THAT!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:21 | 4151686 macholatte
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MEDICAID FOR AL-QAEDA? Obamacare Flaw Allows Anyone on Earth to Fraudulently Enroll Through Healthcare.gov

 

 

Larry Summers: Obamacare already better than expected

 

http://www.cnbc.com/id/101194172

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:52 | 4151847 kito
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funny thing about the "success" of the state exchanges. ny is touting its success by signing up 48,000 people. however, half chose the MEDICAID option!!! 

http://www.lohud.com/article/20131112/NEWS05/311120063/N-Y-enrolls-48-000-into-health-exchange-par-feds

 

 

 

 

 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:05 | 4151902 barliman
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Tyler, Tyler, Tyler ...

You might want to add this UPDATE as a question for folks to consider:

106,185 people have ENROLLED when the state numbers are included.

It is now EXACTLY 6 weeks to January 1, 2014 when those people are, theoretically, expecting to have new insurance policies in place.

(Granted, many of them will NEVER pay for it ...but they will STILL be EXPECTING to have new policy.)

How many of the 106,185 enrollments have had data successfully RECEIVED by the insurance companies?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:45 | 4151807 Hail Spode
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"How laughable is it when only 100k people "sign up" for something when they have a gun to their heads?"

Now we know why DHS needed so much ammo.  An empty gun to the head is not enough to induce the serfs to sign up for Obamacare.   It has to be a loaded gun.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:32 | 4151760 Agent P
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"100,000 enrollees. 

15 milion policies cancelled."

And you know the administration is viewing this from the angle of "As soon as those 15 million become new enrollees, we can tout the plan's success."  

High fives all around! 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:41 | 4151791 Troll Magnet
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I was being serious, bro.  What's the problem?  If you can't enroll thru their website, just call 1-800-fuckyou and give all your personal information to their ex-convict navigators.  Why you sheeple are fretting over this is just beyond my comprehension.  Obama 2016!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:46 | 4151500 hedgeless_horseman
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Hedgeless Horseman's ZeroHedge.com Healthcare Pyramid Scheme

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:49 | 4151509 drink or die
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Looks like terrorist teachings to me.  

 

I'll take my medical advice from the government website here: http://doyougotinsurance.com/

"do you got" is proper grammar, right?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:05 | 4151566 hedgeless_horseman
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An American fallacy...

"If only I had affordable health insurance, then I would surely be healthy."

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:14 | 4151654 jim249
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1 Word to describe this pic, GROSS!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:25 | 4151722 ronaldawg
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Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!  What is that between her legs?  I just scratched my eyes out.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:35 | 4151773 saltedGold
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That is referred to as a panis.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:39 | 4151787 hedgeless_horseman
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Does Obamacare cover a panisectomy?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:47 | 4151817 drink or die
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Or a FUPA

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:18 | 4151959 King_Julian
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In my experience, that is known as a gunt. A rather large one by the looks of it.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:20 | 4151970 forwardho
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Panis peniculas.

 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 19:13 | 4152146 Meat Hammer
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That's an award-winning FUPA, pussgut, or BOB (butt on backwards)

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:23 | 4151695 Harbanger
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I see the birth of an unexpected little Honey Boo Boo.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:26 | 4151723 pods
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Belly button peeking out or HooHah?

"Umm, sorry honey, I think I just made love to your belly button."

pods

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:12 | 4151932 max2205
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Nice up skirt shot

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:35 | 4151771 Surging Chaos
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I cannot unsee that thing now...

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 19:14 | 4152150 Meat Hammer
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Forever unclean!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 21:26 | 4152567 Wen_Dat
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Thanks Stycho

That helps take away the pain

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 20:19 | 4152347 FreedomGuy
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I cannot eat dinner, now.

On the serious side, liberal-statists claim these dysfunctional people do not exist. If they do exist it is NOT because of their own choices. It is the fault of an unfair society and the answer is to subsidize their lives forever. As long as they vote for the welfare state they will confiscate other people's money for them.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:37 | 4151782 Groundhog Day
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Can someone please put her out of her misery!!!!   Give her some MCD burgers and fries until she chokes on it

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:31 | 4152001 KnightTakesKing
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Reminds me of the first deadly sin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFooMdDtTvM

Se7en

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:48 | 4152067 Race Car Driver
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What do you think her hand is groping for in that bag next to her?

MOAR!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:40 | 4151790 Agent P
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Nice Snoopy socks! 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:42 | 4151799 55 men
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First time in my life i have ever seen a dress be used as a belly shirt.....plus 1 for creativity......

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:05 | 4151903 55 men
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OMG....so funny.... My 3 year old walked over while i was looking at this picture and points right at her under belly and says, whats that daddy?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:48 | 4151823 Bastiat
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After getting past the shock and gag reflex what blows me away is:  a) that she apparently walked to that bench (how far could you walk carrying an extra 300lbs?)  

Horrific and pitiful.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:52 | 4151848 Straw Dog
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Is that her navel immediately below the bottom of her dress, or am I just confused?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:18 | 4151961 forwardho
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That peniculas is actually a prolapsed rectum.

Or possibly a massive pudentum.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:36 | 4152023 Pig Circus
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She didn't grow that! But you all going to pay to insure that.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 20:02 | 4152285 Freddie
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If you like your disgusting hunk of flab, you can keep your disgusting hunk of flab.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 21:24 | 4152563 Powder
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The bad thing is that is a full sized Coach purse around her neck.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:37 | 4151783 GeezerGeek
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Are you certain it's a government website? Why does it not have .com instead of .gov? And would official sites really refer to Obamacare rather than PPACA or ACA or some such moniker? Then considering the listed affiliates, such as http://progressnowcolorado.org/. It has a blog post listed with the heading "Mike Coffman can't wait for the next crisis". Yes, there are links to healthcare.gov, but somehow it all just doesn't seem real.

I suspect that this is one massive satire; if not it is the most surreal implementation of pro-ACA cheerleading. I mean, how in-your-face-you-dumb-conservatives can they get? Someone trying to satirize the hoopla couldn't have done any better.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:46 | 4151805 drink or die
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You are having the same response as anyone with half of a brain.

 http://ethicsalarms.com/tag/doyougotinsurance-com/

http://reason.com/blog/2013/11/12/will-shitty-obamacare-ads-get-young-peop

 

These websites (there are a lot of them) and ads are what happens when you have a bunch of lawyers and politicians trying to make a "cool" marketing scheme aimed at younger people.  

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:50 | 4151525 NoDebt
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Guys, I think we should all be paying more attention to the REAL 'open enrollment' going on at the same time as Obamacare:  Medicaid.  Remember, plenty of states took the expanded Medicaid offering from the federal government and it's going on right now, too.

You think enrollment is low?  It's happening right under your noses while you continue to look where the magician wants you to look.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:11 | 4151622 ChanceIs
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Like ... ummmm ... Dude ... ummmm .... giggle ..... like .... Social Security Disability is wayyyyyyyy up.  Like...maybe...Frau Sibelius should....like...maybe learn how to do web pages from SSDI.  Or like...maybe figure out that....like....maybe J6P knows a real free lunch when he/she sees it, instead of the ObamaBurger - which will gladly give you a burger Tuesday if you pay for it today.  Now keep your eye on the nut.  It is under one of these three cups.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:39 | 4152038 Pig Circus
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Do these number include new Medicaid ers? I don't think so but not sure.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 19:35 | 4152200 James-Morrison
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Time to rename the quality level to something the FSA understands:

The Obamacare "Fast Food level": Paper, Cardboard, Plastic, Tin Foil.  (instead of Bronze, Gold, Silver, and Platinum). 

That might help with enrollment.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:02 | 4151589 icanhasbailout
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"Don't smoke" should be much higher on the pyramid. Smoking health damage is far overplayed compared to the actual. On its own, smoking is survivable into very old age - witness all the centerians who smoke. It's only when you mix in alcohol, bad nutrition, and other elements that retard your body's ability to cope with damage that smoking becomes a serious factor.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:11 | 4151628 hedgeless_horseman
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...smoking is survivable into very old age - witness all the centerians who smoke.

There is this thing called the silent majority, which in your fallacious argument is silent because they are dead. 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:11 | 4151640 icanhasbailout
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If you haven't noticed let me clue you in: the one thing all these people who live to very old ages have in common is that they all eat simple healthy food.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:23 | 4151711 LawsofPhysics
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There might be a few genetic reasons as well, but whatever helps you sleep at night.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:28 | 4151730 hedgeless_horseman
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Thanks for the, "clue," but do you have any data?

 

THE NEW ENGLAND CENTENARIAN STUDY

Not all centenarians are alike. They vary widely in years of education
(no years to post-graduate), socioeconomic status (very poor to very
rich), religion, ethnicity and patterns of diet (strictly vegetarian to
extremely rich in saturated fats
). However, the centenarians we have
studied do have a number of characteristics in common:

  • Few centenarians are obese. In the case of men, they are nearly always lean.
  • Substantial smoking history is rare.
  • A preliminary study suggests that centenarians are better able to handle stress than the majority of people.
  • Our finding that some centenarians (~15%) had no significant changes
    in their thinking abilities disproved the expectation by many that all
    centenarians would be demented.4 We also discovered that
    Alzheimer’s Disease was not inevitable. Some centenarians had very
    healthy appearing brains with neuropathological study (we call these
    gold standards of disease-free aging).5
  • Many centenarian women have a history of bearing children after the
    age of 35 years and even 40 years. From our studies, a woman who
    naturally has a child after the age of 40 has a 4 times greater chance
    of living to 100 compared to women who do not.6 It is
    probably not the act of bearing a child in one’s forties that promotes
    long life, but rather, doing so may be an indicator that the woman’s
    reproductive system is aging slowly and that the rest of her body is as
    well. Such slow aging and the avoidance or delay of diseases that
    adversely impact reproduction would bode well for the woman’s subsequent
    ability to achieve very old age.
  • At least 50% of centenarians have first-degree relatives and/or
    grandparents who also achieve very old age, and many have exceptionally
    old siblings. Male siblings of centenarians have an 17 times greater
    chance than other men born around the same time of reaching age 100
    years and female siblings have an 8½ greater chance than other females
    also born around the same time of achieving age 100.7
  • Many of the children of centenarians (age range of 65 to 82 years)
    appear to be following in their parents’ footsteps with marked delays in
    cardiovascular disease, diabetes and overall mortality.8
  • Some families demonstrate incredible clustering for exceptional
    longevity that cannot be due to chance and must be due to familial
    factors that members of these families have in common.9
  • Based upon standardized personality testing, the offspring of
    centenarians, compared to population norms, score low in neuroticism and
    high in extraversion.10
  • Genetic variation plays a very strong role in exceptional longevity (see below)
Wed, 11/13/2013 - 20:21 | 4152356 FreedomGuy
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Being born in this era of modern medicine has a whole lot to do with it, as well. Obamacare should shorten lifespans nicely.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 10:10 | 4153599 icanhasbailout
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I have your data which will do just fine: "In the case of men, they are nearly always lean."

 

Which in turn is the result of good eating - not any one specific diet, but a healthy, natural diet as opposed to junk. Smoking may be rare but it's not nearly-nonexistent like obesity.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:31 | 4151731 Say What Again
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You missed one, and I am serious about this.  Have a strong relationship with a healthy sex life.

I don't know if you'll live longer, but at least you'll be happy.

And speaking of that, I much preferred the ad with the hot babe looking to get lucky

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:27 | 4151735 FecundaGoat
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Obesity and lack of exercise kills far more than smoking...We Americans are so smug waiving our fat fingers at smokers while we die in our 60's....

Meanwhile in Japan and Europe, they are thin and healthy, smoke like chimneys, and live into their 90's...

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:18 | 4151677 Father Lucifer
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I concur.

With proper diet and exercise most vices are survivable into old age.

PS You can't do either if you're stoned or drunk.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 21:32 | 4152582 Wen_Dat
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Bout to get stoned and do some yoga, after put the kids to bed. Put that in your bong and smoke it.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:41 | 4151794 GeezerGeek
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Winston Churchill smoked, drank and by all appearances was a wee bit overweight. If one has genetics on one's side, that trumps most minor vices. Your last statement, saying smoking will affect you if you're at risk due to other factors, is like saying jumping off a tall building won't kill you, unless you come to a sudden stop when you hit the ground.  

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:16 | 4151952 rodocostarica
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I smoke baby but my navigator  told me to say I dont. Whats up with that?

I'se gettin it free no matta. That navigator bitch she be smokin I say.

My bitch she be askin about the obama fone. Why we gettin no minuts no mo.

Fuckin snap card no be workin. I aks why dude?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:10 | 4151631 fooshorter
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Throwing away my telivision has been one of the greatest things I have ever done. You don't realize how loud the commercials are. If you are still watching TV put it on mute and notice how even on a lower volume setting you just breathe easier. You get so little content for how much you savagley and relentless advertised too, even during shows there are ads. Not to mentiont that TV perpetuates ignorance, social propganda,  reinforces lies about false flags. Those who are on TV have an agenda whether you agree and there is social pressure to agree with their POV. It literally is propganda, brainwashing, and mind control. TV would have you thinking you look like a model while eating burger king, drinking bud light hanging with the bros, thinking BOA is the most awesome guy, that Insurance is there to help you, WORSHIP sports, and conspiracy theories are perpuated by ignorate, uneducated psuedo scientists. 

 

Solution? If you have a TV hook it up to your computer! There are so many great documentatries out there! Moreover go do a hobby, or start your own business with the time and stop being a wage slave! Watch alternative media and most importantly get out there! So many lies are accepted because people are not out there experiencing life for themselves.

 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:55 | 4151863 johnQpublic
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RTm is on the tube now

just sayin

there is some useful news out there

though all i watch these days is the weather channel

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 20:23 | 4152366 FreedomGuy
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I am dumping cable this month. Have my own MiFi and will stream the things I like on the laptop or iPad. I want to choose my own content.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 09:19 | 4153493 dcj98gst
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Cut the cable 6 mo ago.  It has been great!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:21 | 4151692 RmcAZ
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Another question... how many people only signed up for Obamacare just because their existing policy got cancelled?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 19:02 | 4152122 Elliott Eldrich
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"Keg-standers and Sluts" would make a GREAT band name.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:37 | 4151447 fooshorter
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The Guillotine never misses. Roll'em out.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:37 | 4151448 aVileRat
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Haha, called it.

Remember those numbers are not actually people who got a stamped and processed transaction but those who managed to get to the last screen on the checkout 'shopping basket'.

Watch for this talking point to be used for the next 3 weeks in all DNC and big pharm/data literature for a equity sales point to MOMO buyside funds chasing their watermarks.

Number will likely be revised down or a truthy number will be a talking point for RINO's in the Feb/March Debt drama. Yellen will likely use the added transatory jobs in January to attempt the taper.

 

 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:39 | 4151450 Yen Cross
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  Based on the way .gov adjusts their statistics, I'll take that as a 99% miss!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 20:28 | 4152382 FreedomGuy
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If you are in any part of heathcare you know this Obamacare is a failure of epic proportions. It has the capability to crash the economy, not just healthcare. It alters work hours, income, pay structures on top of confiscating the entire medical field.

It is what happens when you let the elitist, arrogant, leftist-collectivist-statists play with policy. It is the result of letting people who do not know anything control people who really do know how to do stuff. Even the European socialists are more pragmatic than our red, white and blue collectivists.

I have taken multiple exams on just portions of this bill. If they let this continue you have no idea of the pain coming down the road. This is just the beginning, I assure you.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:39 | 4151452 OwnSilverPlayMusic
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You left out the 400k + that signed up for medicaid.  They sure did shit the bed on this one.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:48 | 4151511 Troll Magnet
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400,000 signed up for Medicaid?  COUNT'EM! 

Hey!  That's 500,000 new enrollees!  FORWAAAAAAAAAAAARD!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:56 | 4151559 NoDebt
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DAMNED RIGHT, OSPM!  I've been beating that drum for a while now.  Not sure many are paying attention yet.  They're still looking where the MIC wants them to look while the real action is going on in another room entirely.

NOTE TO EVERYONE ABOUT GOVERNMENT PROGRAMS:  When some big spectacle rolls out like Obamacare, it's usually used to provide cover for something else.  Something usually bigger and probably more important.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:01 | 4151587 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  Something usually bigger and probably more important.

Or, as is even more usual, the Big-Gov program is doing the opposite of what it says:

Affordable Care Act = Insurance Industry Subsidy Act.

If this was about HealthCare everybody would have the same scam as the OldFarts on Medicare.

If it was about Affordable, we'd cut the OldFarts off and get the young people free coverage.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:55 | 4151862 Bastiat
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How about the cutting off the sick lifestyle farts?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 20:42 | 4152437 Iam_Silverman
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"If it was about Affordable, we'd cut the OldFarts off and get the young people free coverage."

 

Your plan misses on one angle - we're the ones expected to pay for it so that you (and others in the F$A) can have their "free" healthcare.  Yes, some, or actually many, of us old farts still go to a full-time job every day - and we pay a butt-ton of taxes so whiny little snots in your entry level jobs can have your "free stuff" that you "deserve".

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:39 | 4151455 NOTaREALmerican
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Maybe it's not affordable enough.

I'd suggest they lower the price to that paid by the OldFarts for their Medicare.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:40 | 4151460 Jonas Parker
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How did the healthcare.gov website get infected with the stuxnet virus? It's the Israelis fault!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:44 | 4151485 roadhazard
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Nearly Ten Million visited the web site. Sounds good for when the geeks get it working. Shows a lot of interest for just the first month.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:58 | 4151568 centerline
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Curiosity factor likely very high here.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:02 | 4151590 A Lunatic
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Kind of like watching a car crash........

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:30 | 4151745 roadhazard
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Well, to have so many people against AHC you know they all have to go get educated on it Before they run there mouths.

 

heh

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:48 | 4151825 BigRedRider
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Nah...no need to get an education on Obamacare.  All they have to do is just sign up for it to know what's in it.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:10 | 4151923 forwardho
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Don't even joke about signing up. The site is not secure.

They only require your SS#, birthday, income.

"They" being the identity theives that have total access to the info you provide to this misbegotten black hole of a website.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:41 | 4152039 lakecity55
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Well, the website IS run out of Nigeria, you know.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:50 | 4152080 forwardho
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Old enough to have received an airmail letter from the good prince from Nigeria.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 20:28 | 4152383 StychoKiller
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Use 567-68-0515 (R.M. Nixon no longer needs it!)

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:45 | 4151491 Moe Hamhead
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Maybe if they offer free phones, they'll get more enrollees.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:45 | 4151497 Jena
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And in the meantime, millions have lost their coverage because they didn't include all the provisions spelled out in Obamacare.  

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:56 | 4151562 Blano
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Yeah wonder what the net number would be if you subtracted all the cancellations.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:58 | 4151569 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  millions have lost their coverage because they didn't include all the provisions spelled out in Obamacare.

Which is actually a good thing, because most of those who lost their coverage were being ripped off by those insurance companies.

There's no good guys here.   The insurance companies are screwing the dumbasses.   The government is trying to keep the insurance companies from overtly screwing the dumbasses and - in exchange - forcing the dumbasses to buy insurance.  It's a win-win for the Insurance companies and the Blue Team.  

Too bad the Red Team was too stupid to expand RomneyCare.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:37 | 4151781 NoTTD
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You strike me as completely clueless.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 20:30 | 4152392 FreedomGuy
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I want all the libs who KNOW what a ripoff and how evil insurers are to start their own private insurance company and show the world how it is done. As with most leftists they are big on criticizing everything and notably inept at actually doing anything.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:50 | 4151527 A Lunatic
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Meanwhile, as Washington plays politics as usual, the people who were supposed to be helped don't want the help and the people who just wanted to be left the hell alone are losing their coverage........

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:54 | 4151541 pods
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That is a disaster.  Even using the fake numbers these numbers are horrendous.  People must have got to the checkout screen, saw the price, and promptly shit themselves.

And remember the first to happily join will be the net takers.  The ones who need treatment but cannot afford it.

Captain Clusterfuck must be reaching for the Tylenol now.

pods

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:56 | 4151556 NoTTD
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Not mentioned prominently enough:  During the same period, OCare enrolled nearly 400k new Medicaid users.  

 

Winning!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:58 | 4151573 NoDebt
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OK, that now makes 3 of us in this thread (by my informal count) who have clued in on the real show.  I'll take that as progress.  A little slow to build, but at least it's on the map now.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:28 | 4151738 NoTTD
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80% FSA v. 20% payers = disaster no matter how you cut it, even using "shopping cart" math.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:00 | 4151883 forwardho
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Please post link to that info Re; 400.000 added.

Thanks!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:58 | 4151570 squid427
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how are the states going to pay for the medicaid expansion?

 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:04 | 4151604 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  how are the states going to pay for the medicaid expansion?

Ha!   Funny one.   Who worries about "paying" anymore? 

The Federal government hasn't "payed" for anything for 60+ years.   That's what debt is for.    The states will eventually get the loot from the Feds.   

All your base are belong to us.  

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:07 | 4151620 Blues Traveler
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Good ? and the sith Howard Dean said the next crisis to hit obamacare is the tax subsidies

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:29 | 4151740 NoTTD
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See my comment directly above yours.  

 

No one can pay for it.   That's the plan.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:34 | 4151767 Blano
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I don't think Texas signed on to it (where I live), but I don't know if there'll be any extra state expense from all this.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:57 | 4151870 forwardho
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Yes, and how many of their "enrollee's" are now covered by medicade?

Overwhelm the system.

Increase debt exponentially.

Get as many people hooked on .gov as possible.

Then pull the rug out and wait for same people to cry out for a "Savior"

Top down, bottom up, inside out.

At this point, we are already but the flick of a switch away from anarchy and the following totalitarian boot in the face.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:01 | 4151886 GeezerGeek
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I think that the states were offered an enticement for the first year or two. Some states didn't want to be on the hook in the future so they declined to join the expansion of Medicaid. Other states jumped at the opportunity to give away more free stuff, except down the road they will need to pass the bill on to the taxpayers. Assuming there are any left by then.

Another bait-and-switch. Period.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:59 | 4151575 Zé Cacetudo
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I guess I can't put images on here, and I've never made one of these image macros before, but I saw this and figured it was worth a few minutes of time.

<img src="http://i.imgflip.com/4r5q8.jpg">

(Obama and his boys laughing at a laptop - captioned "So then we told them/sign up on the website")

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 16:59 | 4151576 orangegeek
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Wow - impressive.

 

Better give the fucking cunt a raise, right Barry?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:00 | 4151581 williambanzai7
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MR OBAMACARE

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 22:58 | 4152834 Race Car Driver
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DOA.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:00 | 4151583 hmmmstrange
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Obamacare would fail even if they gave out greencards with enrollment.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:35 | 4151769 Blano
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They probably are....gotta cover all those illegals somehow.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 20:31 | 4152398 FreedomGuy
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and sign them up as new recruits in the Free Shit Army and get them voting for more, quickly.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:02 | 4151592 OnceandForever
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It will turn out just fine...all the "perma bears" will see...eventually. Just like the markets during Clinton...the scandals changed nothing.  15% per year for 8 years.   LOL !!!  Same for Obama's time in office. DEMS win.

 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:03 | 4151596 ebworthen
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DOH!

A.C.A. = U.N.C. Unnaffordable No-care Act

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:04 | 4151603 williambanzai7
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KATHLEEN SEBELIUS 1967

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:34 | 4151766 NoTTD
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Which one is Sebelius?

 

Regardless. I didn't even know she was from Detroit.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:13 | 4151938 GeezerGeek
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Nice pussies.

As for Sebelius, however...

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 23:03 | 4152851 Race Car Driver
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"Hey ... it looks better than yesterday. We're making progress."

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:05 | 4151607 BlankfeinDiamond
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I don't get it. Who wouldn't want to be forced to pay into a shit system that is set up to enrich private, for-profit corporations that make billions of dollars but add zero value, only to be told "Fuck you, too bad" when they need to be covered in the case of sickness or injury? It all sounds so good to me. I'd like to buy several policies. <sarcasm off>

Fuck you Obama. Fuck you Congress. Fuck you insurance companies. Fuck you "health"care companies. Fuck you Hospital corps.

Now I feel better.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:59 | 4151882 machineh
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And Fuck You, Nancy Pelosi, you diseased, anencephalitic cunt.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:37 | 4152030 lakecity55
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sebelius and pelosi need shoving thru a wood chipper.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:13 | 4151649 dick cheneys ghost
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Go ahead and sign up for one year using your JPM Chase Credit Card and then promptly stop making credit card payments............

let the banks fight it out with the insurance companies

fuck O Bomb icare, fuck the banks, fuck Obummer, fuck harry reid, fuck the MIC......fuck em all I say.........if you havent screwed over the banks and the Health Nazi's in one transaction, then you are missing out on the best that life has to offer

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:35 | 4151772 NoTTD
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Easy there, big Dick.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:34 | 4151659 Cold Grub
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In the effort to promote good health, I'm going to stop lying next week. But in order to wean my self of this unhealthy habbit,

I'm only  going to go with a few small untruths for the forseeable future. 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:18 | 4151674 Seamless
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These ads are designed to promote irresponsible behavior, which is what health insurance premiums/policies and the free market do not. When they promote irresponsibility they are promoting authoritarian control. There is no greater individual empowerement than taking responibility for your own actions. It gives you ability to think for yourself and from a financial perspective lowers your costs and improve your odds on many levels. This is exactly what they do not want. These undertones have a much bigger picture here.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:47 | 4152068 Husk-Erzulie
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I think you just drew a very close bead on why these ads are so goddamn disturbing.  They make me want to weep... it is the crass assumption that this most recent generation of kids is completely fucking shallow and braindead.    My subjective experience has been that the 20 somethings are splitting into two main streams, about half seem really with it, mentally healthy and aware of the firehose of bullshit and propaganda being turned on them; the other half seem utterly lost- I think we are seeing the first victims of aggressive childhood pharmaceutical poisoning reaching adulthood.  Frightening, sad and hopefull at the same time I guess. 

BTW:  FUCK YOU - Jay Carney, Chris Mathews, Rachel Maddow (fucking drunk), John McCain (fucking coward), Both Clintons and their spawn (murderous hillbillies), Every zionist bootlicker political whore, all corrupt judges (you scum know who you are... your crimes are among the lowest), Miley Cyrus and the idiot with the striped pants whassiname Thicke (you are some seriously disturbing individuals) and Barry Effin Soetoro you fraudulent, miserable, race baiting, crack smoking, pimp.

yikes, /rant

:-)

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:18 | 4151676 mademesmile
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I just got my mail and as I'm reading this article I was opening a letter from my health insurance. We got Obamacared! Normally er visits were $150- went to $250. Stepping foot into a dr office will be $50. Oh, we used to have no 0 annual deductible - now it's 2k a year. Just that is 10% of what he grossed ytd. This is the new carpenters "platinum plan" in St. Louis mo. How the heck are we going to make this work? Career change time.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:11 | 4151931 GeezerGeek
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FWIW, my Medicare Advantage plan here in Florida is scheduled to follow the same course into 2014 as many Obamacare policies seem to: higher monthly premium, higher co-pays, higher deductibles, some coverage even dropped. At least you have the option for a "career change". For some seniors, it may be "career restart", if you cound bagging groceries as a new career. I wish you luck in finding a better, higher paying job. Really I do: someone has to pay more payroll taxes to support my Social Security and Medicare! It might as well be you. (Okay, that was a bit tongue in cheek. But I do wish you - all of you who are still employed, actually - luck. Have a happy Thanksgiving.)

 

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:21 | 4151691 mademesmile
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Oh wait, it gets better! That's $6k per FAMILY - or 2k per individual! Thanks Obamacare!!!!!!!!!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 19:02 | 4152123 Pig Circus
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 That's $6k per FAMILY

 

Now it 30% of what he grossed last year. Yeah that will work.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:26 | 4151724 B.J. Worthy
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Unhinged Obama worship is always good for a laugh.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:32 | 4151761 NoTTD
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Good lord.

 

Don't go to that site.  I beg you.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:27 | 4151733 Dr. Engali
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While this seems funny on the surface, anybody who thinks this isn't part of the plan all along doesn't get what is really going on. This system is designed to fail to get us on a single payer system. Now we have millions of Americans who have been dropped off their plans. Where do you think they are going to go?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:38 | 4151780 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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Exactly right.  Most people don't realize that the 'single payer' will be THE GOVERNMENT.

 

With single payer, the government will own you.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:27 | 4151736 Lumberjack
Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:32 | 4151756 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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The DRUDGE headline a couple days ago was exactly right:

 

Sebelius: The Most Hated Woman In America

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:36 | 4151775 squid427
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@nodebt

any ideas what is behind the the bozocare curtain?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:42 | 4151796 Parousia
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106,185 enrollees* with 5,000,000 + kicked off of their existing "individual" plans.  And this is WITHOUT the Coroprate Mandate (which impacts 70+% of the Gen Pop) kicking in... 

 

* quantitavely eased bullshit.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:44 | 4151806 JmanSilver.Gold
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the hypocrisy of LIEberals in this country is laughable at best.   Where are all of you liberal hypocrites signing up for this great deal?  Kuntleen and King Hussein need you !

These numbers are probably a lie.  They're probably alot less.  Even if true, its a massive joke.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:49 | 4151824 Max Cynical
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What happens to health care sector earnings if they don't replace the estimated 129M cancellations with paying customers?

This will be the biggest epic policy fail in U.S. history and it isn't likely it'll be fixed anytime soon.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:49 | 4151834 QE49er
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Obama to next president:  "Like what I've done the place?!"

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 17:55 | 4151865 BigRedRider
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Anyone with a half  brain will figure out that Healthcare.gov website should ONLY be used by those who qualify for a subsidy.  All others need not apply lest you get skrewed, blued, and tattooed. 

TAKE THAT OBAMA MAMA!!!

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:01 | 4151887 Burticus
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Besides the keg-standers and sluts, you forgot to mention bull dykes, since addadicktomies are undoubtedly a manditorily-covered benefit.

In fact, the omission of this coverage, presumably considered essential by the same sick pups who devised CONgressCare and its advertisements, probably resulted in many of the millions of policy cancellations.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:07 | 4151910 The Carbonator
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Keep pounding this simple message, share it, forward it, copy it, paste it.
 
If you lose your coverage, your doctor, your insurance BLAME a democrat. Next time you go and vote...remember WHO did this to YOU.
 
The Democratic Party did. That’s WHO.

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:14 | 4151945 squid427
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i am single white male, 33yrs, nonsmoker, no children, no health issues ever, cheapest policy $190 a month with $5,000

deductible. and for some strange reason i didn't sign up, huh

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:29 | 4151996 lakecity55
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This whole fiasco is D-O-A.

Just kill it already.

I will NEVER sign up for anything this monkey is connected to.

What a lying sack of fucking shit, but what do you expect from a guy who takes it up the ass?

Wed, 11/13/2013 - 18:33 | 4152011 Westcoastliberal
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You guys spouting off about "this party or that" are totally missing the point.....both parties had their "debate" over "American healthcare" and this is the result.  Now, we as Americans are forced by our government into a system that charges 100, 200, 300% more than equal-or-better healthcare in other 1st world countries.  Obamacare is a total "gimme" to the Frankenstein system that is healthcare in America.  They let the insurance companies write the bill! Sure the GOP was against it, but for all the wrong reasons, just like the 'lil ole Lady who was quoted "Keep the damn government's hands off my Medicare!"

And Obama's admin in keeping with their tradition, poured everything into the PR with no due diligence into the actual mechanics; hell they "outsourced" the website to a Canadian company with backdoor ties to Michelle Obama, and for icing on this shit-cake it doesn't work!

When you think you've seen everything.....bottom line, it's no longer about GOP or DEM, Conservative or Liberal.  That's no longer the arguement in this country because they're ALL CROOKS!

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