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House Democrat On Obamacare "I Don't Know How Obama Fucked This Up So Badly"

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For five years, congressional Democrats have sprung to his defense when Obama's been in trouble. Now though, amid the dismal reality of Obamacare, Politico reports a familiar refrain from Democratic sources: Obama's "if-you-like-it-you-can-keep-it" promise on insurance policies is his "Read my lips, no new taxes" moment — a reference to the broken promise that came to damage President George H.W. Bush’s credibility with his fellow Republicans. His one-time allies are no longer sure that it's wise to follow him into battle, leaving Obama and his law not only vulnerable to existing critics, but open to new attacks from his own party. Democratic sources say, Obama can expect that lawmakers will be quicker to criticize him — and distance themselves from his policies.

 

Via Politico,

[Instead of his "fix" and talking points for Obamacare], the White House chief of staff might have been better off revealing a U.S. map with the president’s plan for saving congressional Democrats’ seats — or just apologizing for letting so many Democrats walk out in public and repeat wildly inaccurate White House claims about the health of the enrollment website and Americans’ ability to keep their insurance plans if they liked them.

 

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President Barack Obama’s credibility may have taken a big hit with voters, but he’s also in serious danger of permanently losing the trust of Democrats in Congress.

 

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“I don’t know how he f—-ed this up so badly,” said one House Democrat who has been very supportive of Obama in the past.

 

The first test of unity: how many Democrats vote for a bill Friday penned by Michigan Republican Rep. Fred Upton. The legislation would allow people to keep their canceled insurance plans through 2014.

 

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Congressional Democrats are on the line in 2014. Many of them voted for Obamacare, defended it in 2010 and will have to stand in front of voters next year and explain the problems.

 

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Even some Democrats who have been big supporters of the Affordable Care Act told McDonough that Obama’s plan for an administration fix to address health plan cancellations isn’t enough for them. They need a bill to get behind. Translation: In addition to skepticism about the policy, it’s not good politics for them to just fall in line behind Obama on the fix.

 

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Democrats who are leaning toward voting for a GOP bill, due on the House floor Friday, that would address the cancellation issue in much broader fashion than Obama would like.

 

“We don’t have a policy problem,” Pelosi told her Democrats in the private meeting, a defense of the law written by Congress. “We have a website problem.”

 

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No one expects Obama to lose the majority of Democrats on the GOP bill Friday, but even a few dozen defections would be a telling indication that lawmakers are no longer as worried about hurting him as they once were.

 

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Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.), who passionately defended the law in the closed-door meeting Thursday, acknowledged in an interview that the White House was probably a “little too overconfident and the rhetoric, perhaps, got a little hyperbolic in terms of how perfect this is.” But he also acknowledged it is more difficult for House Democrats to sign onto the White House’s promises right now, particularly the assurances that the website will be fixed by the end of the month.

 

“We’re not going to all get behind a Nov. 30 date, which is probably not going to be realized...

 

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Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:44 | 4156661 Whatta
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ok, really, what HASN'T he fuct up?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:51 | 4156686 holdbuysell
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Droning innocent women and children.

Creating kill lists on Americans.

Crushing the US Constitution.

Crying crocodile tears.

Reading the hell out of a teleprompter.

Anything else?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:55 | 4156692 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"House Democrat On Obamacare "I Don't Know How Obama Fucked This Up So Badly""~

Nancy Pelosi: "We have to pass it to find out what's in it."

So soon we forget....

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:59 | 4156706 Caveman93
Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:33 | 4156779 Manthong
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i am loving this..  just a little pin prick.. can you tell me where it hurts?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:52 | 4156812 Richard Chesler
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Repudiate Obozo = Repudiate the banksters.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:13 | 4156838 philipat
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This "Fix", apart from the fact that it won't work because of contracts executed by States with the Insurers, is also unconstitutional. The President has a constitutional duty to "Faithfully implement all laws". Only Congress can make changes to any law. If the law IS changed it will doom Obamacre to failure because of the "Adverse selection" in place, whereby the old and sick only will enroll, thus pushing up costs and premiums, which in turn means fewer people can afford to enroll. If it ISN'T changed, it is going to fail anyway because the young will not join. I give it 12 months maximum before it falls apart.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:25 | 4156851 icanhasbailout
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I know how they fucked up so badly and wrote about it here: http://thebullelephant.com/it-cant-be-fixed/ Same things I've been saying for years. The law is a flawed design and the management is incompetent.

 

Stay away from this thing. It's an identity theft machine, and I will be releasing more information on that topic sometime next week. I have a meeting in Congress next week to try and get this site shut down before any more damage is done.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:48 | 4156876 covsire
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What the law is is a just reward for the Godless nation we've become.  It will get worse.  

Basically though, Obamacare is a guillotine.  A massive, complex and sadistic guillotine that isn't quite operational yet.  Just the sight of it and the peasants are running scared.  Insurance companies got one sight of this beast, not even workable yet is sending chills down everyone's spine.  The guillotine has bugs, it's still version 0.8 and isn't quite operational yet.  The American people's heads are at the bottom.  The socialist and communist sheep have been conned into willingly holding their heads under it, expecting the blade to hit everyone but them while they get "enlightment" from the experience.  Then there's the Republicans.  The conservatives have been screaming bloody murder.  The left-hated (read: media) Tea Party has been the most shrill voice all along.  The RINO's though, are pissed.  They sort of agree the Guillotine sucks and they're going to try to fix the situation.  RINO leadership is yelling: "The blade needs oil!", "Train the guys to run it more efficiently!".  They're not acting like they want to save us from it, they want it fixed so it actually works.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 02:02 | 4156891 TahoeBilly2012
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Obama and Bush are both CIA babies.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 02:22 | 4156906 covsire
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The average American can no longer discerne a ravenous wolf from a sheep and those who can't already hate those who can.  I'd say we're still in the first half of the vicious cycle.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 04:43 | 4156977 zhandax
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Yes, but we must savor that ohnosecond when half of the fucktards in congress realized that the superior liar down the street had hung them out to dry.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 04:57 | 4156991 new game
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GONE GALT YET?

anyone seen john lately.

sure miss his honesty, sincerity and his values...

we need more people like him

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 05:50 | 4156998 zhandax
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John is over at HuPo supporting the base.  Troll much, do you?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 06:04 | 4157020 asteroids
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Obozo and congress suffer from the same disease that killed Steve Jobs. "Magical Thinking". Instead of sound science and honesty they pinned their beliefs on some unproven, illogical, bullshit theory. It killed Jobs, It'll killl Obozocare. Fuckem all.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 06:31 | 4157032 GetZeeGold
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"I Don't Know How Obama Fucked This Up So Badly"

 

Siam sofa king stew fed....and pretty damn proud about it.

 

We'll be sure to remember how you held the coats while the boy king and his minions totally screwed us.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 06:37 | 4157038 nmewn
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"We don’t have a policy problem,” Pelosi told her Democrats in the private meeting, a defense of the law written by Congress. “We have a website problem."

Because writing a law FORCING young people to buy something they don't want or need is great policy...right Nana?

Simply amazing.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 07:07 | 4157056 zhandax
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It doesn't even do that.  They first passed a law that states that if the kids are under 26 and have parents with insurance, they can be covered under the parent's insurance.  Why would any of these people even consider?  So we are left with a pile of 27-32 years olds, expected to pull the load for every unfit who sighs up?  Right!

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 07:11 | 4157062 negative rates
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It's a 12-26 year old  manditory dential scene which sky rocketed the rates.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:07 | 4157217 dontgoforit
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Gimme anutha hit 'a dat hopium! 

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 07:13 | 4157061 negative rates
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This is another easy one. The computer program that went array did so because if 10% of the healthly youth didn't pay up, the older sick ones would not be able to get treatment. When the #'s came in closer to 4%, not even the derivatitve traders would touch that with a ten foot pole so the computer automatically cut down the amount of subsidized particpants until the number rose to 10% where the derivatives traders would then take over. Talk about a  financially fucked America.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 03:55 | 4156955 Freddie
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Clinton too.  The last 4 have.  Reagan - no because they tried to kill him.  My guess Poppy was behind that one as he knew about LBJ being part of JFK getting iced. 

Carter was in the nuke sub service so he might have been a Company man as well.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 08:15 | 4157125 tvdog
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Obama and Bush are both CIA babies.

So was Jason Russell. Do they program (ala MK Ultra) their own children?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 12:44 | 4158020 Husk-Erzulie
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To an extent, yes.  Not as drastically as a Monarch slave but, depending on the subjects family background and likely career arc, certain failsafes should be implemented at the very least.  If you come from a Company family then more likely than not, at some point unbeknownst to you, you have been tranced and programmed.  (Remember the family trip you took to Belize when you and you siblings were in your early teens?  Dad's acquaintance, the friendly professorial doctor?  Remeber how he took your hand, how he looked at it, spoke softly to you?  The strange feeling that trip left with you, oddly nostalgic, slightly disconnected from time?  Remember something like that?)   The Company itself dates from the second war.  The connections of influence and interest and the techniques of secrecy and control predate The Company.  Some higher level techniques are ancient, derived from cultures and scientific approaches which would seem odd, unlikely and outright bizarre to the average 21st century american.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 02:17 | 4156903 icanhasbailout
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Insurance companies built this beast. Their lobbyists wrote much of the law.

 

Problem is, they got way too greedy, and built in so many customer gouging mechanisms that they didn't know when to stop. (They probably couldn't help themselves, since rent-seeking is pretty much what they exist to do.) They piled so much of this crap into the law that the end result is that no one who is not already sick, and outrageously-expensively so, gets a better deal by signing up than by saying fuck it I'll take my chances.

 

This is going to create a death spiral for the insurers since the pricing doesn't work without the healthy people in the pool. So they basically offed themselves with their own insatiable greed - "suicide by lobbyist".

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 03:03 | 4156925 Double.Eagle.Gold
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"suicide by lobbyist"

 

very nice

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 04:48 | 4156985 zhandax
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This is going to create a death spiral for the insurers

The only benefit to the public I see in this bill.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 04:00 | 4156958 Freddie
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+1

Karl Denninger does a pretty good job here explaining why ObamaCare is a failure and why insurance is also the problem. Most people forget healthcare pre the insurance racket.

He is hoping ObamCare fails and we get away from the insurance cartel model too.   It is actually pretty good video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE1cN9shMyI

Greg Hunter has good interviews with Dr. Jim Willie too about gold and the dying dollar, Russia the nat gas giant,  the Chinese and yaun.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 06:40 | 4157041 SF beatnik
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Freddie...

 

thanks.  That's one great viddy. 

Denninger nails it. 

Very enlightening. 

 

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 08:31 | 4157158 SWRichmond
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Yes, kudos to KD for this analysis.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:16 | 4157245 Calmyourself
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KD is a great analyst too bad his personality is so authoritarian his site could be huge but at his core he seems intolerant of wide ranging discussion and no one is that smart, imho.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 14:49 | 4160697 SWRichmond
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Agree

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 08:42 | 4157183 kralizec
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And screw this idiotic bill to save ObamaCare, the stupid sonsofbitches should be repealing this trash and if that fails run on a repeal platform and let these fuckers that support this shit twist in the wind!  But that won't happen...we are so thoroughly fucked!!!

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 11:06 | 4157624 venturen
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No, No, No....they will just get printed money from the Federal Reserve and that will fix it..  /SARC

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 02:42 | 4156912 t0mmyBerg
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Well thats is what I was wondering reading this.  They are going to vote Friday on a Republican sponsored bill to allow people to keep their plans...for one year?  Until just PAST the 2014 elections in which Democrats might be handed a well deserved shellacking?  Why the hell would any Republican propose such a bill that actually BAILS the dumbasses out?  Sometimes I wonder and then I just hang my head in shame.  It is like we have willingly returned to the 1970s all over again as if that was some kind of panacea.  Funny that Obama started his first term spouting about how we were going to undo the failed policies of the past...when his philosophy represents precisely a return to the failed polcieis of the past.  Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat the mistakes.  Well hell Americans cannot even remember the lessons of last week so I do not think there is much hope from that front.  We are well and truly forked.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 04:54 | 4156989 zhandax
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undo the failed policies of the past

No one on the red/blue teams has any interest in doing that.  Until that paradigm is completely abandoned, there is no relief in sight.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 06:05 | 4157021 johngaltfla
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The problem with a dictator is that the legislative branches are for show only. It is up to one branch of government to stop Herr Obama and we are two seats away from a total, worse than FDR style Marxist dictatorship.

 

For Obamacare to Survive, Justices Scalia and Thomas must Die

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:09 | 4157212 HardAssets
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  t0mmyBerg -- keeping looking - don't turn your face away from what youre seeing.

Youre almost there - - - the realization that 'R versus D' is a scam, just a diversion . . to fool people.

They're all whores for the same masters . . . and that ain't you, me, or the American citizenry.

They are partners in the destruction of the American democratic republic, and bringing about a collectivist state. (Calling that 'communist', 'socialist', or 'fascist' doesnt matter - it comes down to "WE ORDER and you serfs OBEY US." Same battle of dictatorship and freedom that has occured throughout history.)

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 06:53 | 4157048 scrappy
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A wasteful exercise in futility.

It's all going to break.

Triage is the answer, and we should do it ourselves.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:16 | 4157247 XitSam
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America is without rule of law or Constitution. Both are routinely ignored from the president down to local police. People assume Obama has good intent for America, but is just wrong on policy.  Obamacare is performing exactly as they wanted, to fail. To irrecoverably screw the private insurance industry. After more floundering, they will introduce single payer as a solution.  Does anyone think that after the IRS targeting Tea Party groups and NSA domestic spying that criticism of the regime won't result in medical care being withheld?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 10:24 | 4157506 DonutBoy
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And don't forget - perhaps worst of all, the Supreme Court routinely ignores the Constitution.  John Roberts believes this is just a tax.  Millions of insurance policies declared illegal by a tax?  We are no longer a Consitutional republic, we have devolved to facism with the facade of the rule-of-law maintained through selective enforcement.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:57 | 4156793 FEDbuster
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Santa Clause Party says, "if you won't join the Free $hit Army, then fuck you all and keep your shitty, affordable Catastrophic Health Insurance Plans for one more year.  Then after the 2014 elections we will really put the screws to you. " 

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:48 | 4156877 logically possible
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This is about the democrats earning some reelection brownie points.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:57 | 4156884 covsire
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Jon Stewart will really get serious and ask the tough questions this time.  Then Colbert will make some witty remarks and Anderson Cooper will ask the tough questions.  The Tea Party will still be the villians while the Godless electorate are still fixated on the next Godless communist to "solve" our problems.  

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 04:03 | 4156959 Freddie
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ALL of TV and Hollywood are total shit and backed Obama.  Maybe conservative talkers and others will stop pimping for TV and Fox.  Murdoch is for amnesty and gun control.  We have no friends on TV or Hollywood.  RT or Russia Today has the best news on the web.  If the American public pulled the plug on TV they might start becoming non-serfs.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 05:12 | 4156994 zhandax
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I saw an employment ad for al Jazeera US yesterday.  Probably a startup atmosphere, could be a chance to get airtime for some new viewpoints, and think what a completely unique conversation starter at cocktail parties.  All thanks to algore.  Hell, I may send a resume.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 15:00 | 4160718 SWRichmond
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Do you think working for AlJazeera would get you onto the "No Fly" list?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:22 | 4157260 superflex
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Green pill for RT.  One of the best sources of news on the web.

I also like nsnbc international (no, it's not affiliated with NBC).

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:11 | 4157227 dontgoforit
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Funny how it never occurs to the D.C. tipsters that they ARE the problem....just like Reagan said.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:35 | 4156715 DoChenRollingBearing
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"I told you so." (June 2012)

http://tinyurl.com/8a3fe66

Way to go America...

EDIT:

And I never had any idea that even their website would go so wrong.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 02:08 | 4156896 RockyRacoon
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Prophetic piece there.   Say, if we want this thing to burn to the ground then we might just need a few more of these bottomless programs!   Let's get it on.   Nothing like spending even more money that we ain't got.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 04:10 | 4156964 Freddie
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The Republicans need to offer up a Repeal Bill only.  We went through this shit less than a month ago and the Dems stiffed them.  Defund it again.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 05:15 | 4156992 new game
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the faster than gravity plunge. retro jet the money spending to get this fucking shit storm spending over with already!

i second that idea with sound logic and entusiasim!

give the heroin addict UNLIMITED QE infinity, open checkbook, unfettered amounts...

rain it from the sky, send it too isreal, any nation for that matter.

promise every american over 65 unlimited health care with no expense.

up the food stamps to anybody that can eat, shit or piss.

subsidize farmers with 20 percent groSs operating rev assurance.

start a gas stamp subsidy for pick up truck owners, high mileage/year bomus stamps.

everybody can own a home, help with the down payment for sub 30k earner. NO DOC OF COURSE.

and most important RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE TO 15/HOUR, so as to make sure they qualify.

no one goes hungry and without the american dream over their head.

print, distribute and prosper my fellow mericans-we are the greatest nation ever!

 

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 06:15 | 4156997 zhandax
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Fuck repealing it.  This thing is such a train wreck, it can start the collapse we have been expecting all by itself.  Repeal it and we have to wait for yellen to print us into oblivion.  BTW, who is my new buddy immediately above that forgot the /sarc, and tonight doubled his post count after two years?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:13 | 4157235 dontgoforit
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Cloward & Piven Strategy - working.  But I believe the potus is fearing for his physical existence....as he's been exposed (enough now) so that even the blindly following sheeple see it.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 07:02 | 4157053 scrappy
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Good observation on "bottomless programs"

 

THIS MUST END, and it will.

 

Like the old grandma says,

 

"I can't wait to see what good comes out of this."

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 06:00 | 4157019 starfcker
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worse than you think, guys. this is the tip of the bamacare iceberg. individual policies are what, five percent of the total? the company paid mandate was delayed for a year until after the midterm election. most of those policies are going to be canceled too, for not meeting the new standards. think this is a clusterfuck now? wait a year.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:06 | 4156725 Anusocracy
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I can hardly wait for universal healthcare.

An even bigger success.

Everything government touches turns to crap. Ringo Starr

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:13 | 4156835 q99x2
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Is Greece going to default? No they have bout got their economy turned around. Just a little longer before the last Greek dies and the Muslim refugees start competing with Chinese labor.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:44 | 4156797 Uchtdorf
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Pelosi said: We've got to pass it to find out what's in it.

That, my friends, is the very definition of a stool sample.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:49 | 4156806 TBT or not TBT
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It's for the children...well, your children anyway. Mine are good

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:29 | 4156854 The_Prisoner
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Just like kidney stones

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:52 | 4156881 logically possible
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UCHTDORF  hilarious!

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 02:36 | 4156909 Deo vindice
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It wasn't original, but still humourous.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 08:38 | 4157171 mvsjcl
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"We don’t have a policy problem. We have a website problem."

 

The fucking arrogance of this bitch.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:57 | 4156698 dryam
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It's very telling how Obama views the American public when he says "raising the debt ceiling does not mean that our debt will increase".  This tells me that we are close to the Feds losing control.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:21 | 4156708 DaveyJones
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the image is good, but a gloved finger should be where the needle stands

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:17 | 4156755 A Lunatic
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The CBO recently announced they expect yearly deficits to continue until 2038. We currently run a deficit of about a trillion or so per year. Do the math.........

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:46 | 4156801 SilverIsKing
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What's their projection for 2039?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 03:34 | 4156944 MisterMousePotato
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Very droll, Silver. Laconic even. You're not American, are you?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:39 | 4156785 JLee2027
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Anything else?

Ann Barnhardt claims Obama has regular homosexual sex in the study over the Oval Office. Maybe he does, but you need to prove it. I like Ann, but claims like this without any evidence fall into the bat-shit crazy category.

 

Barack Obama the man, or whatever his name is, spends much of his time locked in the study above the Oval Office.  In that study he watches ESPN, does drugs, and is sexually serviced by male concubines. 

http://www.barnhardt.biz/

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 03:12 | 4156883 Skateboarder
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Ann is hawt. <3

edit: She is too!

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 06:36 | 4157037 GetZeeGold
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Ann is twice the man Obama will ever be.

 

Chuck Norris offers to hold the door for Barnhardt......Ann says thanks.....but no thanks.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 12:15 | 4157896 JLee2027
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Manly women are not really ...women....

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 12:41 | 4158005 Husk-Erzulie
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Ann is the shit :-)

Hi Ann!

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 17:34 | 4159195 JLee2027
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I'm not Ann.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 07:11 | 4157063 WordSmith2013
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"In fact Obamacare has so many systemic fatal flaws, inherent economic inefficiencies and pervasive procedural defects that the dangers have become quite evident, especially its implementation right in the midst of an intractable and deep recession.  It ever there was a time NOT to enact such an extremely unpopular law, this is it.  Therefore, many ask the question: Was this a planned social cataclysm??

 

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=2442

 

Obamacare: Was the ACA a planned legislative disaster?
Fri, 11/15/2013 - 07:14 | 4157066 WordSmith2013
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"Obamacare (also known as the ‘Affordable’ Care Act or ACA) has proven to be the most disastrous piece of legislation in American history, bar none. And it just keeps getting worse. Yes, worse, even when you thought that they couldn’t “sink the Titanic a second time”.

 

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=2294

 

Obamacare: Ongoing Disaster With No End In Sight
Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:07 | 4156830 brettd
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Afganistan.

Economy.

Education.

England. 

Housing.

Iraq.

Iran.

Israel.

Jobs.

Race.

Syria.

Transportation.....

Everything he touches turns to rot.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 03:38 | 4156948 MisterMousePotato
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Well, let's start with number one on your list: Afghanistan.

Opium production is up - what? - 4000% since 2001? And the quality, availability, and affordability of heroin has skyrocketed across the U.S. and elsewhere? Man, if we invaded Apple, they'd be at $10k a share.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 07:05 | 4157055 scrappy
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Old yeller, please print my healthcare.

We are broke.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 07:06 | 4157057 Truthseeker2
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Obamacare: Was the ACA a planned legislative disaster?

http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=2442

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“But we have to pass the [health care] bill so that you can find out what’s in it….”

— Spoken by Nancy Pelosi in March 2010 when she was Speaker of the House

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 07:51 | 4157094 doctor10
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In the big scheme of things-as in thousands of years of written history-most of humanity hasn't been forced to suffer the burden of a "health-care system"

 

That would seem to indicate that a cognitive and financial pre-occupation with one, is probably not of long-term material benefit.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 08:02 | 4157110 azzhatter
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Obama is simply an asshole. Nuff said

 

The website not working is a gift. The real problem is the policy. When the website is fixed the real disaster starts

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:38 | 4157157 sgorem
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"We don't have a policy problem,” Pelosi told her Democrats in the private meeting, a defense of the law written by Congress. “We have a website problem.”

Please Lord, Do Not let this fool win another election anywhere on the Planet................and Father, would it be too much to ask to have her sorry ass ran over by a loaded Greyhound bus, and soon, thank you, and AMEN.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 10:53 | 4157578 rubiconsolutions
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“I don’t know how he f—-ed this up so badly,” said one House Democrat who has been very supportive of Obama in the past."

Did YOU read the damned bill before YOU and YOUR colleagues passed the thing!? Obama didn't fuck it up, you in the congress did by crafting the bill and passing it. And John Roberts was complicit in the so called fuck up. Obama may have lied but for crying out loud you all have seen him do it repeatedly over the last five years and yet you feign surprise that it's a big failure. Obama telegraphed his punches even before his first election, said outright he favored single payer. Is it too early for a drink?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 12:02 | 4157841 sgorem
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it is never too early for a drink, imho, nostrovia!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:45 | 4156666 buckethead
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He's in the rest of the Democrats pockets now...

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:46 | 4156670 suteibu
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Not overconfidence...hubris.

 

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:01 | 4156714 Chief Kessler
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Oh come on now, it's not like he invaded another country based on lies and bullshit leading to half a million dead or something, 

You can get your crappy plan back now, can 500,000 get their lives back?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:08 | 4156738 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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O thats right it is Bush's fault.

This post is about how Obama fucked up and you can not change the discussion to Bush you DNC troll.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:39 | 4156869 QQQBall
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It would have been hard to be worse than Bush, but Obomber has made it look almost like he isn't even trying

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 07:48 | 4157087 GetZeeGold
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RIP Chief Kessler...

 

Obliterated in two posts.........damn!

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:33 | 4157305 superflex
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Cheif, your .gov troll tactics dont work here like they do over at the other websites you troll.

I'd suggest you stick to Breitbart and their less than average IQ population.

That shit dont fly here.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 10:54 | 4157583 Flakmeister
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Any different from all the RNC trolls prowling here? You know the ones...

Yes, the ACA was fucked up royally... 

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:16 | 4156754 suteibu
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Well, chump...let's see if this will compute in your tiny, liberal brain.  I have never supported an American war beginning with the Vietnam debacle.  And yet, I still think Obama is America's greatest threat.  Fuck you, you condescending dipshit.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:21 | 4156761 booboo
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"You can get your crappy plan back now"

nigga please, first youz dictate that we buy some shit we don't want and now youz tellin the surance confany that they gotta break the fukin lawz da nigga make in orders to give us the "crappy plan" back. leh me guess, you da head nigga in charge of da "Depatment of Movin on Uppity"?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:25 | 4156766 LetThemEatRand
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Obama is worse than Bush.  Take off your Team hat and look at what he does.  Drones.  NSA.  Expansion of Patriot Act.  Agreement with Bush and McCain (before he was elected) that TARP was a good idea.  Reappointment of the Bernanke.  Appointment of Yellen.  He says stuff you like.  Get over what he says and pay attention to what he does.   

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:30 | 4156772 DaveyJones
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that's because every "leader" of this place will get exponentially worse till this place goes under

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:31 | 4156777 DoChenRollingBearing
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LTER, I almost dread to ask, but:

"What has Obama said about FEMA Camps?"

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:00 | 4156790 LetThemEatRand
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If you like your FEMA camp, you can keep your FEMA camp.  Period.*

*Until you are relocated**.

**The asterisk [until you are relocated] was added after you were relocated.***

***No, actually we added the first asterisk before you were relocated, you just didn't understand what I said.****

****okay, we added the first asterisk after you were relocated.  Now get on the ground and shut the fuck up.  And spread 'em you fucking terrorist.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:03 | 4156824 willwork4food
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I want my  lawyer! Please?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:12 | 4156828 LetThemEatRand
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I'm pretty sure Saul is busy, but I'm here to help.   Who do you want to kill?  Email me your ideas at Holderlaw@DOJ.gov.  Or just post them here or anywhere else on the internet.  I'll get it either way.  And if you want to call, here's a little trick.  Say your name is Jamie and I'll take your call forthwith.   -Eric.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:20 | 4156846 willwork4food
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Thanks for the email link Rand-I just emailed them to suggest free beer & wine for the citizens for 30 days.

Kind of takes the edge off...

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:30 | 4156853 LetThemEatRand
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For more helpful hints, join Google+!  Please enter your cell phone number here....  Nevermind, we have it already, but it's fun to ask anyway.  But do, please, identify all of your friends and tag their faces on Facebook!

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 11:05 | 4157621 NeedtoSecede
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@LTER, you are on fire today! Green arrows, +1, and well played today.

"If you like your FEMA camp..."

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:38 | 4157327 dontgoforit
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"I want my lawyer! Please?"  Ok; that's him lying right there beside you.  Now shut up and eat dirt.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:21 | 4156844 DoChenRollingBearing
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Thank you, I am glad that we now have all that straightened out.

 

I am smiling, Mr. Guard!  Just roll me over and look at the smile coming from my dirty teeth...

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 03:44 | 4156933 Angus McHugepenis
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LTER: 2 words...

ROB FORD

Sorry, got a couple more here... LOL, Crack, Cuntiligus, fuck it, I give up.

Dictionary: Toronto

"A disfunctional conglomarate of like minded super-fucks, drunks, wankers and a shitload of geese that won't leave the parks to fly south for the winter".

Don't ask me how I know.

 

 

 

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 03:44 | 4156951 Obese-Redneck
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"Obama is worse than Bush."

Well let us see shall we?

1. The worst terrorist attack in history

2. He attacks the WRONG country in response, brilliant( 5000 dead 50000 maimed) plus one trillion

3. The 2nd worst financial crash in history. Response, bail them all out at threat of martial law.

4.  Wont even mention Afghanistan and Pakistan

And you clowns bitch about Benghazi, wtf?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 06:13 | 4157027 The Wedge
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You owe me money too. Just on fucking principle.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 07:49 | 4157045 GetZeeGold
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It's the "I know we suck....but you sucked worse" argument. Five years in it's kinda losing it's shine.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:26 | 4157267 StychoKiller
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Hmm, let's see:  A sledgehammer upside the haid, or getting run over by a steamroller -- decisions, decisions...

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:52 | 4157388 superflex
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Redneck,

Bush attacked Iraq for their threat to the Petro Dollar.  Same as Obama did to Lybia and tried to do to Syria.

The financial crash of 2008 was brought about by the likes of Clinton, Frank, Dodd, Waters, Waxman, Boxster, Franklin Raines and others complicit in the Community Reinvestment Act.  

I'd suggest you do a little research before you open your piehole next time.

 

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 10:51 | 4157520 Chaos_Theory
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Hi Debbie Wasserman-Shultz,

Just wanted to say, in my few years here I've never seen defense or praise for Bush's Iraq catastrophe from a R-team cheerleader.  Or damn near any other policies of his Neoliberal posing as a "compassionate conservative" lable.  About the only "Conservative" policy (not "Republican" policy mind-you) pushed here are economic and 2nd Amendment.  Everything else ends with "McCain is a piece of sh!t" retort. 

To make it even easier for you to understand, over 90% of posters here would agree with this statement:  W (and Darth Cheney) should be thrown from a helicopter into an active volcano...O (and Crazy Uncle Joe) should be thrown from a helicopter into chum-filled waters with hundreds of circling Great White sharks.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 11:13 | 4157649 Vendetta
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" W (and Darth Cheney) should be thrown from a helicopter into an active volcano...O (and Crazy Uncle Joe) should be thrown from a helicopter into chum-filled waters with hundreds of circling Great White sharks."

I don't see this political system actually changing till some of these politicians meet this fate.  Both parties offer up 'candidates' that are like a clone factory that have different rhetoric but vote for the same highly damaging legislation without ever fixing any problems whatsoever.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 11:37 | 4157747 Chaos_Theory
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Make it pay-per-view....that'll eliminate the deficit (well, for one year anyway).

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 07:12 | 4157065 scrappy
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+1000

 

"You will know them not by what they say, but by their works."

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 06:10 | 4157026 The Wedge
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Oh, so that guy was really bad so I should bend over and take it up the tail pipe from this guy? Man that's some solid logic there. And we wonder why we find ourselves in this predicament. The fucking blathering idiots are beginning to out number the rest of us.

Uh...hahu. Uh...ha hu I tied my shoes today! I like pudding! Bush bad! Long live King Barry!

I swear some of these fucktards are beginning to resemble The Walking Dead.

You owe me money.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:50 | 4157384 Calmyourself
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Kessler, no worries bamster will  invade Syria sooner or later, wag the dog..

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:47 | 4156671 AndrewJackson
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This house dem is full of shit. You are one of the aholes that put obamacare into law. This guy must be of the same build as pelosi (ie pass it to see whats in it). Now that the guy knows whats in it, he immidiately puts obama under the bus and declares himself blameless? 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:58 | 4156703 Shad_ow
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Yes, how could (he) anyone be so stupid to believe it would ever work and vote for it?  He is admitting he was fooled by someone who is too inept to get it right when it was never intended to work, only control and destoy.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:00 | 4156710 Osmium
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Funny how these fkrs will do anything to get re-elected. 

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 05:54 | 4157017 The Wedge
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Yes, this is a political stunt, by design or on accident, to help get house dems reelected. The President is leaning in to one for the home team. The same jack wagons singing the ACA's praises will now be excoriating Barry for mucking this up.

It will work.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:49 | 4156681 holdbuysell
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Anyone who stood behind this and the 'if you like your plan you can keep it' lie is so FIRED.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:14 | 4156749 Gerb00
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So FIRED, that is the problem. The MFers keep voting them right back in. They bought the bazooka/marshal law/700BILLION shit and voted them right back in....

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:49 | 4156683 A Lunatic
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Nobody read the fucking bill!! That's exactly how things get "fucked up" and people get fucked over........

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 02:59 | 4156916 Kirk2NCC1701
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That's how the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act got passed in Dec. 1999. 3 GOPs + 1 Dem.

TPTB keep shoving new politicos on us the way you keep re-filling a revolver, and yet the masses and most bloggers here love to have a go at each other.

Whaddya expect from sheep and uni-brows? Or shall I be polite and blame it on trolls?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 05:33 | 4157003 Forty Six and 2
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Who has time to read bills? Not John Conyers.

 

http://youtu.be/ACbwND52rrw

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 05:41 | 4157007 Forty Six and 2
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And even if he/they did read it, the fact that it's unconstitutional is irrelevant anyway.

 

http://youtu.be/6wiytPDdoBQ

 

But some in this article might disagree - http://www.wallbuilders.com/libissuesarticles.asp?id=49126

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 11:21 | 4157684 Vendetta
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None of them read this shit legislation  bar none.  Test any one of the politicians and I guarantee you none of them know what is in any legislation that is more than 25 pages long.  The purpose of 2,000 to 11,000 page pieces of legislation is to slide all the swiss cheese thru so only the desired outcome is achieved with all loopholes fully intact.  How long would it take someone to read a 2,000 page piece of legislation .. couple weeks reading full-time... then understand it? They are all completely corrupt in DC and all are liars, there may be up to 5 to 8 who are worthy of their offices I'm guessing thats it

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 18:18 | 4159335 Forty Six and 2
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Yep, if anything gets read at all it's by their staffers, who also recommends/tells them how to vote on it. It's just that these two fuckers I linked above are on record shamelessly admitting it (which earns them an upgrade pass towards the front of the treason line when the time comes).

I saw an example of this many years ago when I came upon on some short profile on TV about Congressman Meeks (D) of NY. This progressive is as dumb as a sack of hammers and I wanted to see how he was going to be portrayed. The only thing I still remember is in one 10 sec shot his Sr. staffer was going over some legislation with Meeks and telling him, TELLING him, how to vote on it. Just verifies what many of us already know - our votes don't mean beans because some unelected staffer we know nothing about is calling the shots for the puppets "voted" into elective office.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:50 | 4156685 Kiss My Iceland...
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"I Don't Know How Obama Fucked This Up So Badly"

 

How could s/he not know? Wasn't it pretty obvious from the start this legislation was as fucked up as you can get?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:02 | 4156719 Caveman93
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Oh, you read it before it was passed?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:20 | 4156759 Overfed
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Didn't need to. When you have 1000+ pages of legaleze written by HMO lawyers and lobbyists, what else do you need to know?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:34 | 4156780 DoChenRollingBearing
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Yes, something on the order of 2000 pages of Obamacare law has become 20,000 pages of regulations...

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:12 | 4156688 lolmao500
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Who gives a fuck if they don't like him anymore?? Does it get rid of the law? Does it fixes anything in the health care department? Will they impeach his ass? No? That's what I thought.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 01:22 | 4156848 willwork4food
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Do we still have to clap when he comes into town?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:29 | 4157284 StychoKiller
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I remember a scene of G.W. Bush ducking some thrown shoes, just saying.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 11:25 | 4157706 Vendetta
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yeah but the shoe weighed less than a pound and they missed  ... just saying

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:56 | 4156689 Constitutional ...
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Too little, too late. People know that Congress and its 'staffers' exempted themselves from this un-Affordable Care Act.

So, it's obvious that only fear of losing votes and facing angry constituents motivates this shallow criticism from Democrats. Democrats who who were quite ok with shafting their constituents. Now the full force of the bureaucratic nightmare of the freak un-Affordable Care Act is dumped on voters.

Democrats fear the rebound on CONgress; lazy, two-faced money grubbing liars. What did Pelosi say about complex bills? 'Passing it beats reading it.' The Democraps and the Repugnants are complacent careerists, obviously.

 Those CONgress critters think people are dumb enough to forget all the lies. Not this time.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 08:55 | 4157200 tvdog
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Congress and its 'staffers' exempted themselves from this un-Affordable Care Act.

So they were the ones Obama was referring to when he said, "If you like your health plan, you can keep it."

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:55 | 4156693 QQQBall
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I thought Pelosi was dead?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:57 | 4156699 Constitutional ...
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If only...

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:00 | 4156712 Buffalo Bones
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Ding dong the bitch is dead!

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 00:59 | 4156820 Bow Tie
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more like the walking dead...scary.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:56 | 4156695 canstacker
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In his own words........"Even at Christmas"??

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:56 | 4156696 Yen Cross
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  I kinda like the fact that they're eating eachother instead of us...

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