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House Democrat On Obamacare "I Don't Know How Obama Fucked This Up So Badly"
For five years, congressional Democrats have sprung to his defense when Obama's been in trouble. Now though, amid the dismal reality of Obamacare, Politico reports a familiar refrain from Democratic sources: Obama's "if-you-like-it-you-can-keep-it" promise on insurance policies is his "Read my lips, no new taxes" moment — a reference to the broken promise that came to damage President George H.W. Bush’s credibility with his fellow Republicans. His one-time allies are no longer sure that it's wise to follow him into battle, leaving Obama and his law not only vulnerable to existing critics, but open to new attacks from his own party. Democratic sources say, Obama can expect that lawmakers will be quicker to criticize him — and distance themselves from his policies.
[Instead of his "fix" and talking points for Obamacare], the White House chief of staff might have been better off revealing a U.S. map with the president’s plan for saving congressional Democrats’ seats — or just apologizing for letting so many Democrats walk out in public and repeat wildly inaccurate White House claims about the health of the enrollment website and Americans’ ability to keep their insurance plans if they liked them.
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President Barack Obama’s credibility may have taken a big hit with voters, but he’s also in serious danger of permanently losing the trust of Democrats in Congress.
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“I don’t know how he f—-ed this up so badly,” said one House Democrat who has been very supportive of Obama in the past.
The first test of unity: how many Democrats vote for a bill Friday penned by Michigan Republican Rep. Fred Upton. The legislation would allow people to keep their canceled insurance plans through 2014.
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Congressional Democrats are on the line in 2014. Many of them voted for Obamacare, defended it in 2010 and will have to stand in front of voters next year and explain the problems.
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Even some Democrats who have been big supporters of the Affordable Care Act told McDonough that Obama’s plan for an administration fix to address health plan cancellations isn’t enough for them. They need a bill to get behind. Translation: In addition to skepticism about the policy, it’s not good politics for them to just fall in line behind Obama on the fix.
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Democrats who are leaning toward voting for a GOP bill, due on the House floor Friday, that would address the cancellation issue in much broader fashion than Obama would like.
“We don’t have a policy problem,” Pelosi told her Democrats in the private meeting, a defense of the law written by Congress. “We have a website problem.”
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No one expects Obama to lose the majority of Democrats on the GOP bill Friday, but even a few dozen defections would be a telling indication that lawmakers are no longer as worried about hurting him as they once were.
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Rep. Jim Moran (D-Va.), who passionately defended the law in the closed-door meeting Thursday, acknowledged in an interview that the White House was probably a “little too overconfident and the rhetoric, perhaps, got a little hyperbolic in terms of how perfect this is.” But he also acknowledged it is more difficult for House Democrats to sign onto the White House’s promises right now, particularly the assurances that the website will be fixed by the end of the month.
“We’re not going to all get behind a Nov. 30 date, which is probably not going to be realized...
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So do I. Bastids.
None of this is real
I'll repeat myself again. He didn't fuck anything up, this is all by design as we head down the path to a single payer plan.
I'll say one more thing, and the republicrats better figure this out; Zero doesn't give a flying fuck about you guys. He has his inner circle and that's it. He has shown little by little that he is willing to ignore whichever law he chooses, and that he doesn't need you. You guys are on your own.
True. That's why he can talk crap like today, saying people can keep their current policy...and then insurance companies say they cannot without premiums rising higher.
He is a puppet, serving his paymasters who control the central bank, and the money of the world in their Internationale which he serves like Uriah Heap, a Dickensian character who was most grateful to debase himself for his own personal enrichment.
Well said gentlemen. I used to vote. Now I just stack.
Barry's a Democrat the same way he's married.
And for the same reason.
Most of us figured that out when he named a cabinet of red hat money shills and blue hat money shills.
Democrats love him, the same way he loves them. All rather cynical, and dangerous for sincere responsible people who pay their own way, and genuinely care for others. O'bomba is deliberately debasing the USA, for his paymasters the Internationale.
Democrats only have themselves to blame, not that Repugnants are any better. This $hit show deserves the contempt of most Americans who see CONgress as the whore of the biggest banksters.
We don't even have a president, the chair might as well be empty.
The dude just plays golf and rubber stamps whatever paper is put in-front of him.
Comments like that is why I LOVE ZERO HEDGE.
You people THINK.
The blood in the water is real. The fear is real. The loss of control of the "narative" (I hate that term) is real.
The good ship ObummerKare is taking on water and like 'ol Gordo said the main hatchway caved in.
Pass the popcorn.
read my lips: all future taxes will be replaced by massive money printing, monetization of debt, and rampant inflation, which we will hide by fudging the shit out of our numbers. now try getting your average american to comprehend the meaning and implications of that sentence. haha just kidding that's impossible.
I'd laugh but that second sentence was too fucking depressing.
Bro, I just sent an email earlier to a friend who said it was going to crash under its own weight. Told him nope, he's got a new fed chair in there and they are gonna roll out a new stimulus plan to pay for it, to help the working families dont cha know.
True that, you can always sustitue tofu for mean, and then, when it all fails, earth worms for tofu. Yammy.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mITcRDr2Sk
End of Obama.
ah alex jones. i used to think he was completely nuts, now i find myself agreeing with him more often than not. sad world. i wonder if we'll ever really know the extent of the CIA's power, and whether or not they have been installing puppet presidents and for how long. like i said, sad world.
When the raving idiot starts making sense.....it's time to go with the idiot.
It's not like we're going to elect him President or something. We already tried that.
Obamacare: The Continuous Rise and Fall Of The Machines With Complex Insurance Math Models Resulting In Spasmodic, Executing “Killer Algorithms”–And Gov Can’t Model…that's what we have, just like the markets...the machines..no matter whether it's an insurance or stock exchange, there' glitches today:)
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/11/obamacare-continuous-rise-and-fal...
The best one was during the Sebelius testimonies referencing the contractors for the website "burn their fingers"...lol...
It's not the fact that Obama blew it so bad it is just that folks want a stationary law to work with moving targets, the math models and algorithms of the insurers that change by the minute with business intelligence profit models..they worked them good and stay within the verbiage of the law..but it does change things dramatically and their handling of the cancellation of the policies was their doing as far as methodologies and the way they sent letter and and blamed Obamacare. As Obama said this is 5% of the entire insurance market so for that percentage and yes it does affect a lot of people no doubt, they could not model any better? They had a captive audience and milked it.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/11/president-obama-extends-current.html
Yes Obama goofed up with silly Sebelius and I sad that in 2009 that Health IT would eat her up as we needed someone with "some" data logic in their brain so as not to get too duped. Everyone dumps on her as she's the #1 believer that apps will fix everything:) Now insurers have to use a bit less "segmentation" in their models and they don't like it as it cuts a little money out.
No other President has had to deal with what he has on his plate and technology is right there causing a lot of disruption for sure.
No other President has signed as many executive orders.
No other President has brought in such fascist law like the NDAA.
No other President has deliberately done so much harm to the law in the USA. Fact. I care for the results, not the excuses or rationale.
You may blame machines. He heads an Administration that chose the machines...and spends more time golfing and amusing himself than reading the complex detail of State.
PS
Bathhouse Barry's typical day: first meeting at 11am with Joe Biden, the bankster's joker. Receive instructions. Bedtime before midnight after reading a few scripts in public, but mostly spent amusing himself in his role as Golfer-In-Chief and all round showboy as required.
"No other President has had to deal with what he has on his plate and technology is right there causing a lot of disruption for sure".
Damn it man! I just spewed coffee all over my monitor after reading that.
You owe me money. Just on fucking principle not my monitor.
When does natural selection kick in?
........Ogieger
Lets make a deal. Obama has the website fixed by November 30. Everyone must sign up. If the web site is not 100% fixed by November 30, he resigns.
A good and fair deal.
Problem: CONgress is out of control, and quite clearly out of its mind as there are no consequences for them personally or professionally when they fuck up.
Can't believe that you got a down vote. I think this is the best proposal I have heard in a long time.
He ain't gonna resign over a goddamn website. Now, if 20 Democratic Senate seats get lost a year from now, perhaps that would convince him to resign?
Nah. He is too arrogant. He will just start a nuclear war or something.
Let us not forget, at the end of the day,the Free Shit Army and the imported Free Shit Army still have FREE healthcare and that's all that really matters. Obonzo's voting base is still happy........he could care less about the rest of us. House dems know they are in like flint as long as the parasites are still cheering.
The O'bomba and his Free Shit Army won't be laughing when China shoves it up their arse. Seen Walmart's latest news?
No likey people with no money. Likey gold and slave in own hemisphere.
Obonzo must not be worried about China, we had Chinese boots on the ground this week in Hawaii. They are still there as far as I know.
Good point, and interesting that the main scream media failed to report on the first time in history for Chinese troops to be on American soil, ostensibly for Grid XII, but even so, it was a significant event.
The lies and deception practised at national level across all Establishment agencies are unprecedented. All with the willing ignorance of cheerleaders for the status quo which is behaving like the Nazis when they lulled the Germans into compliance...and then the Party started slaughtering any dissenter.
'First They Came' A brilliant poem by a pastor who witnessed what we see now, but during the rise of nazionism in Germany.
I guess that explains why the Oahu highway maintenance crews have been busily cleaning up their roadsides the last several days, and why the animal shelters suddenly no longer have any stray cats or dogs.
Alas, alas, four times alas less one, there has also been a notable decline in gull and albatross sightings. But hey, as Confusious say, "birds of a feather wok together."
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cbe_1381921437&safe_mode=off
Great! A complete fuck up with a nuke button.
Just like any place with a central bank including Britain, Europe, China, Japan, Israel etc.
Any place WITH A CENTRAL BANK is a fuck up, unless you're in the club.
Upton is an idiot.
Quick, kill some Americans so we can start another war.
Effen eff those effers!
One would have thought there would be a last bastion of hope...
but there appears to be a slow-but-concerted morphing into politics here, too.
Obama doesn't control anything, and to feed that lie is to feed the demise.
Obamacare was enabled by O'bomba, and it is right to hold him personally responsible, in my opinion. His arrogance, his complacency, his allegiance to foreign money powers. I would say the same about a Repugnant if this un-Affordable Care Act had been forced upon the USA by one of their Presidents.
The Repugnant Mitt Romney did the roll out of Obamacare in his state prior to running for pres. What's the dif?
As federal law it is unconstitutional, clearly. The state constitution in MA apparently was not an obstacle.
"Obamacare was enabled by O'bomba, and it is right to hold him personally responsible"
While you're still playing politics...
It's fine to hold him personally responsible.
But you should be directing your attention to Congress, where the enabling takes place.
One of the driving forces of our demise is a collective ignorance of how our government was designed to work.
And had McCain been elected we would be calling it McCain Care and Democrats would be screaming about the constitution. Republicans would begrudgingly defend it and the Tea Party would be cheered and revered on MSLSD. This does not reflect very well on the American people. We look like a monkey fucking a football!
If you know anything about French political history, they're notorious for being schizophrenic, at least since the revolution and that's being polite. They have tried socialism, they've had republics, they even toyed with dictators. They are just liable to switch direction on a dime like a flock of geese. It's even evident today. They elect a Socialist with wide support who runs on a platform of raising taxes...not just on the rich but everyone. And now they're out in the streets protesting Hollande's tax policy.
Sometimes it's just down right embarrassing to be human. The powerful read this as affirmation that we're all just poor little sheep that need, no, begging to be herded. It repeats over and over in history. We better get our collective heads out of our asses forthwith!
It is like your completely unaware of reality.. No none of us would applaud it I dont care who implemented this mess you idiot. Perhaps you need a better class of peers who can think.
You are the one who needs a dose of reality. And now you have it.
I can here the gears of goverment grinding, soon chaos ensues.
Gerald Celente has said all along that when the ponzi is coming to an end, they will dump a war on us. Also change today at the fed signals the end.
I happen to believe Mr Celente. Under the fog of war, the cockroaches will scurry to their hiding places around the world with their ill-gotten wealth
Every politician that supported this form of fascism must leave office with extreme prejudice.
Ask yourself this. If a surgeon, journalist, policeman, teacher - anyone else went about their daily job and performed the equivalent of passing unread legislation, would they be fired, sued, or worse?
Of course.
This is not about passing bad laws. This is about entering an era of fascism.
Obamacare is America's Riechstag Fire.
See how Obama is burning down this country.
The lobbyists, lawyers, insurance companies and scumbag profiteers on human suffering AND every republican/democrat and their supporting staffs deserve a 12 gauge suppository.
Then we will go to work on them.
(And fuck the secret police tasked with keeping track of these comments these days You and your family are in the same sinking boat as the rest of middle class Americans.)
Bravo. Out-fucking-standing.
(And fuck the secret police tasked with keeping track of these comments these days You and your family are in the same sinking boat as the rest of middle class Americans.)
When the SHTF, the secret police's family will be the only available targets to get the point across.
When the SHTF, and the secret police's paycheck does not come with the mail in time, even they will see light (at least I hope so).
All the paychex in the World ain't gonna help when the price of bread rises 1000% between pay periods.
Wall Street and the FED are paying them not to work. Their only purpose as a Washington D.C. politician is to sign the laws the banks hand them and to spend the money they are given. If there is something wrong with ObamaCare it is because of the banks/insurance companies that wrote the laws.
Bankers can't do anything responsible because they are criminals.
“I don’t know how he f—-ed this up so badly,” said one House Democrat who has been very supportive of Obama in the past."
Really? You don't know how HE fucked up so badly, Mr. "very supportive"? Like you didn't vote for this monstrosity? Quick to throw your savior under the bus eh? How about just a pinch of accountablity on your part? I assume because you are very supportive then you did vote for it and have defended it. Don't remember eh? That's understandable. Remembering's dangerous. I find the past such a worrying, anxious place. "The Past Tense," I suppose you'd call it. Memory's so treacherous. One moment you're lost in a carnival of delights, with poignant childhood aromas, the flashing neon of puberty, all that sentimental candy-floss... the next, it leads you somewhere you don't want to go. Somewhere dark and cold, filled with the damp ambiguous shapes of things you'd hoped were forgotten, like your vote. Memories can be vile, repulsive little brutes. Like children I suppose. But can we live without them? Memories are what our reason is based upon. If we can't face them, we deny reason itself! So please, be reasonable, try to remember....how all of you fucked this up so badly.
+1
Impressive, Joker. Shades of Thomas Wolfe in there.
Great wording Joker
AWESOME!!! FINALLY...
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If Obama's puppet masters' plans are to prep the way for one-party/dictatorial rule, everything is right on track.
If Obama isn't a Manchurian candidate/president, I'll eat my hat.
Lysander Spooner wrote-
No Treason[edit]In another thread a day or two ago, I came across this bit of wisdom:
Bailouts are unconstitutional, but they happened anyway, so we see that it is really just the character of the American people that gives the Constitution its power, and the American people lacked the character to stop the bailouts. It is almost as if character devolution were part of some plan.
...and if Congress really wanted to get rid of this ridiculous edict, it could. Everyone in government is a fkg lying azzclown.
1. How the fuck did democrats actually think that they could trot out in front of the cameras and repeat the company line without knowing that it was complete bullshit?
2. What the fuck is Fred Upton doing? Is he trying to let democrats keep the Senate? How about fuck you? You voted for this fucking abortion, now fucking own the motherfucker.
You can deny reality, but you can't deny the consequences of reality.
One of these days we're all going to wake up and the computers that run Brawndo are going to layy us all off.
Upton ought to put some extra goodies in the bill. So ALL the Dems are forced to vote against it thus solidifying what cretins the Dems are.
Stuff like no abortions paid for by taxpayers, no free insurance for illegals and Muslims, etc.
Make 'em squirm until their sweat makes a puddle in their seat.
"Oh you voted against including Muslims and illegals in the law? Give them a free ride?? Fancy that."
"I used to care but I breasts a pill for that now."
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As though a community agitator is capable of running a hot dog stand much less a complex healthcare system or country. Only someone catastrophically ignorant could think he can govern by fiat in a representative republic and have things turn out well without an ounce of experience in the real world. Typically only children are not capable of realizing they know very little, and there you have it, our president.
And so how many of these fucksticks understand how insurance works? Yet, they are charged with setting overhauling insurance. Do they ask the already captured state insurance folks who regulate the alraedy ultra-regulated insurance industry? Nope. They ask the insurance companies who say thy like their current state protected oligopoly and would like more clients (actually they give two shits about clients but love the Chinese funded subsidies). Do they ask doctors who have suffered years of reimbursement cuts for medicare and medicaid? Nope. They ask major hospital conglomerates what their opinions are and make sure that there really isn't any teeth to the whole "quality of care" promises because, after all, if you can have 10 doctors read the same patients chart on any given morning, you get to bill ten different doctors' rates to the Chinese funded US healthcare system and it's good for this quarter's profits.
This is what happens when you get self-righteous narcissicist power hungry incompetents aligned with a propoganda machine (both bullshit parties) oriented media and vested interests with the power, money (in this case, the money that the independent and partnership doctor firsm don't have), and expertise to write the fucking bills and regulations.
Jebus. We have a government that has the authority over every fucking thing we do that is run by salesman who simply regurgitate what was written down by the folks that wrote the law which happens to be the very folks the law is supposed to govern. Home of the brave, land of the fucking pissed. I swear to god I'm pretty close to a Jacobin guillotine moment.
There's something about this issue that seems to bring out the best in some. The pen is mightier than the sword.
Too bad 80% of the electorate will never see, much less read, what you wrote. Even sadder? If they did read it, they wouldn't understand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8
I'm watching Jon Stewart right now and he is shredding Obama! Whowouldathunkit?
Hell hath no fury like a self-righteous liberal being forced, by overwhelming evidence, into finally facing the reality of his former death-grip on his own naivete, gullibility, and profound ignorance.
I was able to watch guys like Stewart, Colbert, Maher, etc. for a while but they walked hand-in-hand with Obie so far to the Left they will never be able to find their way back to the Center where they should be in order to take shots at both sides IMO. The Bush-bashing was epic but the sycophantic ass-worshipping of Obie One from Kenyobi was just too much to take. Even the soft-balled shots they take today are far from the deep skewering the assclown in the WH deserves. Worse, these guys are the 'news' for most of the Obamanauts I know, and it's just more propaganda splashed with some humor which makes the gullible laugh while their programming continues. The Red/Blue Team players in my family just lap this crap up and I would consider most of them very intelligent(but definitely not awake/aware). The aforementioned clowns and the Hollyweird crowd don't play in my house at all and I haven't been to a movie theater in probably 8 years. Screw them...Oh, and Meaty, no offense, I know awakened minds can handle this stuff without being taken in, I just don't spend the time on them when there's better stuff to watch.
I was watching South Park then Jon Stewart came on. I definitely don't make an effort to watch that libtard. The South Park episode was about the boys preparing to dominate at the mall on Black Friday...it was hilarious.
Passing a bill in Congress that has not been read, is like a doctor operating on a congressman without knowing what he is operating for....
Is this Bush's fault somehow?
I thought the roll out would be bad, but I never guessed it would become mainstream so fast. Simply amazing to watch.
Old saying by very wise sailor:
If you aim your ship for the rocks, you usually end up hitting them
I am shocked, shocked I tell you to learn that Obama is intentionally trying to bankrupt the US financially and morally .... and he did not tell us.
But he's really good at it, gotta leave him that. Is THAT the CHANGE he promised? If so, mission (almost) accomplished. Go Barry, go. /sarc
When he promised change I didn't think he meant fifteen cents from a one hundred dollar bill! :(
Obama is nothing more than a groomed and placed puppet. If he doesn't read the script he's given.......Kennedy.
Want to know who's in charge? Look at all the Satanic tribe in his cabinet! 3 Supreme Court Judges that are Satanic Tribe, yet another Head of the Fed who is a member of the same Satanic Tribe. The USA will never make a comeback until this tribe is GONE!
The Satanic Tribe and all its Satanic Spawn,
Freemasonry, Illuminati, Anarchists, Atheists, Socialists, Marxists, Communists, Zionists, Totalitarianists, Fascists, Banksters, Mafia, CFR, NWO, Bilderberg, etcetera, etcetera.
I am the Monkey.
This is my Grenade.
Check this out:
What's this 'I am the Monkey' stuff? And where's my grenade! (no link)
Okay, murdering innocent people in Pakistan, Yemen and God knows where else. Creation of extrajudicial (Illegal) "Kill Lists" of Americans. Destroying the fourth amendment. Gettign caught red handed trying to impugn the second amendment (fast and furious). Creation of phoney false-flag operations, complete with fake blood and crisis actors, as well as the actual murder of American schoolchildren, to impugn the second amendment.
Benghazi: purposeful execution of an American diplomat. What else?
The guy is a neo- Josef Stalin.
I've said it before: We don't even know his real name.
His Social Security number was originally issued to a person called Harrison J. Bounel. Mr. Bounel was listed as a resident of Obama's Chicago home for a time.
We are all in grave danger.
Manchurian Candidate
His real name is Barrack Hussein Obama and he signed a bill that allowed 50 million Americans to feed themselves.
He also signed a bill for affordable health care.
The debt to GDP ratio has also not changed since Obama became president.
Drones would have been killing brown people in far afar lands is not his prerogative - it is the prerogative of the defense industrial complex. Obama has been the first president in a long time to cut the budget of the defense industrial complex.
He's a good guy basically
Is that you Million Dollar Bonus?
No, I am not MDB
I just put the facts on Obama out there for people to think about, there's really very little constructive critisim going on of Obama which makes you wonder if he's actually doing a bang up job given the situation.
Someone as perceptive as rationaldemocracy should be writing fot the accredited-times.com site.
I don't think so
Cut him some slack....he's one of our newer ACA (aka Obamakare) trolls.
I'm gonna put a good word in for him at the next cult meeting.
#askrationaldemocracy
It's a mattering thing.
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She'll be unconstrainted in selling the crustiest bits of the matteringest bambuzzlements biasedly. Somehow that is very much something.
The progrationalzing of US 'obamist' citizens seeking symmetry with the tired and stale propaganda bits of Chinese Citizenism citizens. Seek, and ye shall find.
"I'm pretty good at killing people."
Barack Hussein Obama
Yeah he's basically a good guy.
The "Affordable Care Act". Neither affordable or caring.
Heartbreaking-video-cancer-patient-says-will-let-nature-run-course-rather-stick-family-obamacare-premiums
http://www.ijreview.com/2013/11/93011-heartbreaking-video-cancer-patient...
http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/woman-cancer-dropped-insurance-due-o...
Obama lied and lied and lied and lied...... People will die.
He's just another control freak progressive that wants to dictate that all of other peoples money be spent the way he sees fit. Which could be thousands of more drone strikes, or jailing more americans or any of the hundreds of other rapes and thefts and transfers of wealth he chooses. He is a dictator in love with his own image. But he has nice teeth.
"His real name is Barrack Hussein Obama" No. We really don't know who this fuck is. He has gone by Barry Sotero and possibly other names.
"and he signed a bill that allowed 50 million Americans to feed themselves". No, Barry had nothing to do with food stamps. Happened long before Barry.
"He also signed a bill for affordable health care". No, he signed a bill called the Affordable Health Care act. Nothing affordable about it.
"The debt to GDP ratio has also not changed since Obama became president". No, gone up steadily.
"Drones would have been killing brown people in far afar lands is not his prerogative - it is the prerogative of the defense industrial complex". No, Barry has to sign off on these. And he's pretty good at it apparently.
"Obama has been the first president in a long time to cut the budget of the defense industrial complex". No, there hasn't been a budget since he became President. The sequester cut the defense budget.
"He's a good guy basically". Well, you're welcome to your opinion.
I've fucking had it with room temperature IQ morons like you. Of the 35-40% functioning mentally challenged in this country, you're just an average fucktard.
You owe me money!
You are not very familiar with the dark side of the force, are you? Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word
That means essentially that an "affordable care act" is no care act at all. Don't be so trustful, or you'll be despeately disappointed.
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Good as Bitcoins.....still ain't gold....and never will be.
He who puts his trust in tulips and Bitcoins.....builds his house on sand.
Just yesterday it was $400......so where do you think all this easy money ends? You and your fellow cult members can bid this crap up as much as you want....I'm still not buying it.
Liberals had to change their name to progressive having established the word Liberal to be sybonymous with dumbass. progressive is on it's way to a synonym for moron. Before this little episode ends, Democrat will be synonymous for clusterfuck.
If it isn't already.
I wish people would understand that this isn't fucked up at all from the standpoint of the regressive, authoritarian, Marxist, scumbag traitors.
It was DESIGNED this way on purpose. They purposely meant to make it this way. It's all part of the Cloward and Piven strategy to destroy and bankrupt the system so that they can take total control over us and wipe out our Constitutional rights.
If some Dems are sacrificed during the next elections, obama doesn't care. The Socialists finally got control of healthcare while attaching it to the IRS tax system after over 100 years of scheming because they knew once they got control it would be one of the last nails in the coffin for America.
Now it's just a matter of purposely making it soooooooooo bad that Americans will scream once again for the scumbag gangster criminals of D.C. to save us. It's the classic "Problem, Reaction, Solution" strategy, and they've got the solution already in the can ready to rock in as soon as the time is right.
They will make it so bad until it all collapses and then they will monopolize the entire deal with a single payer, government only system and then they've got us.
Once that's in place it will also be tied into this whole surveilance grid that they've built and are rolling out against us nationwide and worldwide.
They are also doing everything they can to move towards all digital currency so that they can link everything together in a total power grab for our rights and freedom.
You won't be able to get a job unless you comply with their evil "healthcare" rules. But see, it has nothing to do with our "health" or with "caring" about any of us. It's all power and control.
If we don't comply they will sick the IRS on us, jack up our healthcare "taxes" (yes, remember the SCOTUS ruled that this is actually a TAX), garnish our wages, threaten us with jail time and believe me they will enforce it it. You won't have any money to do anything. You won't be able to rent a home, buy a home, sell your home (did you know obamacare has extra taxes in the law when you sell your home???).
This is all designed very specifically as a massive screw-job against us to steal our money to pay the offshore banking system and to redistribute what little we will have left to give to the Free Shit Army that they're going to bring into America to take all the jobs, lower wages to 3rd world country levels, and to overwhelm our systems so badly that only this evil, tyrannical government will be left as a huge trap for us to run into.
The new amnesty which will be passed within the next 3 to 5 years will bring in 40+ million people who be used to vote down our Constitutional rights, steal our guns, and further collapse the system.
Obama hasn't fucked up...believe me folks...the globalist scum who have been planning this for 100 years may be behind schedule on their 1984 style take over of America, but they are still slowly getting their way with us. This was all designed to be this way and it's not only going to continue, but it's going to get so much worse you're not going to believe it.
America will never be the same...will not look the same ever again. The control grid from top to bottom is going to make living in America a fucking nightmare, and by the time the younger generations of American grow up in this American prison system they really won't know anything differently.
This may be bad for people like us because we know better and we're being screwed in the middle of the "fundamental transformation" of America. But obama and the rest don't care about how bad it will be for us. Once they control everything and people like us who know better are trapped and then dead and gone who will be left???
The younger generations who won't know any better, won't know anything differently. They will be state indoctrinated in the evil "educational" system. They will be completely brainwashed. They won't know true history. It will be like 1984...a total Orwellian society and the younger people won't have a fucking clue what freedom and liberty and what our Constitutional rights used to be like.
In 30 to 50 more years there won't be hardly anything left resembling a Constitutional American Republic. It will be wiped out...eaten alive from the inside out by this cancerous disease that's taken over. And America really has no chance against it. If we fight...and I think we will...they're already planning on taking us out. A civil war is already being gameplanned against us which will only speed up the transformation (if we don't win that is).
I think a fight is the only chance we have left. There's no way to peacefully legislatively reverse the course we're on.
The only way out is our only choice. We'll have to stand and fight. At least then the younger generations who will witness the fight and who will live through the fight will understand that America was worth fighting for. Otherwise we'll just slip quietly into the dustbin of history as the last free society that eventually crumbled under the tyranny of the globalists, and after that happens the entire world will be plunged into another Dark Ages forever. We'll never get freedom back again if we lose the fight for this Republic.
If people want to just continue going along like a bunch of Stockholm Syndrome victims, thinking everything that's going on are just "mistakes" that can be resolved by more government well then we will never get out of this mess.
We can beat these motherfuckers. But it's going to take a bloody fight. It always does and always has throughout history when people finally wake up and rise up against their oppressors. It's been written about and we know what the template is to beat the cancer of tyranny and authoritarianism: It our very own law...we just need to use it.
IN CONGRESS, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
there are computer viruses-so i hear-that can re-write most of that for whom which hey would presume to enslave-
just sayin'
You said: The Socialists finally got control of healthcare while attaching it to the IRS tax system after over 100 years of scheming because they knew once they got control it would be one of the last nails in the coffin for America.
Not yet they don't. So far the American people haven't jumped on board and signed up for Obamacare. If they continue to spurn all attempts at forcing them into this system, it will fail. Now is the time to nullify Obamacare by simply refusing to participate.
IMO one of the best posts Ive read on ZH.
I just hope that people dont pass up readiing it because of its size ( especially with the Declaration of Independence full text included).
Thank you
well thanks man...I really appreciate that. I don't know how anyone can pass up reading the Declaration of Independence, but I didn't exactly plan on pasting that in until I was getting to the end of my post. I didn't expect to say all that, but it just started coming out as I went. The Declaration of Independence just seemed an appropriate wrap-up by the time I finished up.
I hope people don't pass up reading it either...I don't mind if they don't read what I wrote or if they don't like it what I wrote...but I hope they at least read the D of I. :-) It's well worth the 2 minutes, that's for sure!!!
Thanks again and hey everyone...keep stacking that phyzz! BTFD...today is a great day to add some nice shiny Ag to your stack!!!!
Have a great weekend, all...
The Dems were unanimous in their support for this rape of americans so they should all burn for it. There was no compromise offrerd and not even any time for people to read and review the law before voting on it - another promise broken. If the american people continue to vote for these demcrats they deserve all the shitstorm thats coming and I would not lift a hand to help a single one of them. Greedy controlling brats the lot of em.
Save, cut & paste, should be used sparingly, less one makes himself an automatic skip over. in the end posting here better be funny - informative- or attack another poster for hubris.,false logic, lies, or bad breath.
When they and the Republicans repeal the act then, and only then, we'll know that they mean it.
Will require two-thirds majority to override Obama veto.
Good luck.
This is all just baby steps to the socialist utopia they've always dreamed of where there is a single payer healthcare system, one political party and the means of production throughout the economy is driven solely by the government. Oops, scratch that one political party comment, we already have that.
Imagine when they do immigration reform how that will look.
'If you like your citizenship, you can keep it'
I will just note, the democrats only turn on hm after it becomes obvious that it may cost them their congressional seat. And that's about as deep as it gets here. Congress Critters only care about getting re-elected. They don't read this stuff. Nor do the care. The worst thing you can do is laugh at them. Seriously. These were the pretty kids in schools who have never failed and had everything handed to them to the point where they believe they deserve it.
They'll pull the "incompetent government" myth card here. Like its just a messed up website and once that goes smoothly, we're good. Or it's a few people that got a rude letter from their insurance company that doesn't highlight all 26 wonderful talking points about Obamacare and the glorious future of the new, better plans. Just temporary
Fact is, people look at the price of the new insurance and are shitting themselves. Fewer people wil be insured and the insurance industry is going to get pissed at their paid-for critter and regulatory troll.
They didn't turn on him in 2010 when they knew it would cost them their seats. Oh, a few worried House ones did, and they lost their seats anyway. The President and the Democrats are a united collective and it doesn't matter how they vote now. They passed ObamaCare, and voters in Nov 2014 aren't going to care whether a member votes for the Upton bill or not. All that matters in Nov 2014 is the party label.
As Rush noted, It will become much worse next year when Employer health plans must comply with Obamacare.
Either much higher costs or cancelation of Employer health plans, same as now for individuals.
Hopefully this will be realized before the 2014 elections.
When will Americans rise up to impeach this President.
Considering what both did ( and Obama continuing to do),by comparison with Nixon on a scale of 1 to 10, Nixon would be 1 and Obama 10
Every Democrat that voted for that bill should be voted out of office. It was blatant political malpractice. And if you don't like Republicans or Independents, then vote against those Democrats in the primary. The damage of Obamacare, even if it's overturned now will last for decades.
DemocRATs and RepubliCUNTS, rah rah go team.
Over.
The bill will allow you to keep your canceled plan for only a year? Oh how convenient. Safely after the next election. So instead of getting screwed BEFORE the next election, you will be screwed AFTER the next election.
Pretty obvious where their interests are.
While I agree with your theory as to why the cancelations are after the elections. It is a case of too little too late. The policys that have been canceled cannot be reissued. Even those scheduled for cancelation will get there notices. Things do not work by magic edict, a huge change takes years to implement. Those changes cannot be reversed in an instant just because the poll numbers say average Americans are royally pissed about getting screwed by .gov once again.
His Imperial edict is a fail.
Give me a break! That "House Democrat" was right there with Obama helping him "fuck it up so badly." Every single one of them voted for this law. Every single one of them have been shoving it down our throats with an obsession bordering on insanity. Not one of them read the bill before passing it into legislation, from Ms. "you have to pass the bill to see what's in it" on down. Too late to pass the buck now, buddy.
Exactly my sentiments. These assholes all shoved it down our throat. They couldn't wait to manipulate the legislative process in order to pass this mess over the holidays. NOW, they all claim ignorance or in this case, the implementation. Still never hear them say they fucked up, and the law is a complete disaster. No, can't have that. Those asshats still think this law is a utopian step forward.
omg OWEBOMBA'S FACE in surgical garb is the ONE THING you most DON'T WANT to see right before they put you under.
You all missed another milestone! Afghanistan reclaimed their lead as the world's largest heroin supplier. Its great to have US troops dying to protect the warlords and their heroin. The "War of Drugs" gets no publiciity anymore but its another Obama winner! Yup destabilze nations, give money to mafias and waste money and lives on a world wide 70 year failure that makes Obamacare look like a smooth program launch. Then hide the fact that 150,000 troops that were there not only made no difference but reversed what the Taliban did to eliminate the crop. The hypocrisy would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic.
Don't focus on the fall guy. Thats what they want you to do.
IMPEACH THEM ALL
Prosecute Holder, RICO every single one of the neoamerican national convention mafia
this is such political garbage. every one of those obama democrats is guilty and should not be allowed to distance themselves from him. They had plenty of time to read the law and analyse it. The fact that they let the drug and insurance lobbys write the law demonstrates bad judgment. The fact that they didn't read it demonstrates incompetence. The fact that they blindly followed their leader is inexcusable for any representative of the people. They all should be shown the door come next election.
Obama's Tyrannycare has become OUR Calamitycare!
And it will only accelerate NEXT year, when the business mandates and higher premiums will devastate employment!
Things like this don't happen by mistake. The only question is why.
[... one House Democrat who has been very supportive of Obama in the past.] "I Don't Know How Obama Fucked This Up So Badly"
This guy should'a been in the witless protection program a long time ago.