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What This Morning’s Obamacare Announcement Means

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By Timothy Sandefur of Pacific Legal

Lawlessness: what this morning’s Obamacare announcement means

President Obama this morning announced that he would be issuing an administrative order—which requires no Congressional review—delaying the implementation of provisions of Obamacare that had led to the cancellation of a million or so insurance policies. This follows on the Administration’s similar delays of the Employer Mandate and the Individual Mandate. According to CNN, this morning’s delay is supposed to “cover millions of people who have had their insurance policies cancelled,” but the fact is that in many states, it won’t even do that—because insurance companies, anticipating the implementation of the new law, long ago decided to cancel these policies. Surprise!—except for the attentive observers who have been warning about this for years. Moreover, many states—including California—which are already going along with Obamacare are already beyond the Administration’s reach, because those insurance policies were cancelled by state agencies. This morning’s delay can’t do anything about that.

But there’s a much deeper problem at work here: the lawlessness of Obamacare, root and branch. The problems began with its initial enactment—first the Individual Mandate was supposed to be a “regulation of commerce.” That was unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court finally said no…only to rewrite the law by declaring it to be a “tax” instead. That doesn’t work either, though, because the Constitution requires that tax laws originate in the House of Representatives, and Obamacare began in the Senate. Meanwhile, the contents of the law—which members of Congress didn’t bother to read before they passed—gave away tremendous new powers to administrative agencies to write new rules to fill in crucial blank spots in the statute itself. For example, the Individual Mandate forces Americans to buy “minimum essential coverage”—but that term was left up to unelected bureaucrats in the Department of Health & Human Services to define later. And the law created a powerful new independent agency, the Independent Payment Advisory Board, and gave it power to write law about Medicare reimbursement rates without any checks and balances…and tried to make the law itself unrepealable.

Now come unilateral administrative delays on the order of the President. Keep in mind what these delays really are—they are not new laws, or amendments to the law…they are orders from the President to his subordinates to simply not enforce laws that are on the books. The Employer Mandate, for example, was “delayed” by an order that simply instructs Executive agencies not to enforce the reporting requirement. A company that fails to comply with that Mandate is still violating the law—it’s just that the President has chosen to look the other way for now.

The Constitution of the United States says that the President “shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” That provision was written because the Founding Fathers had experienced the arbitrariness of a government in which the British monarchy picked and chose which laws to enforce and which laws to ignore. The result of such political control over the law was, they knew, a breakdown in the rule of law—and a breakdown that allowed the powerful and politically well-connected to manipulate the system at will. As James Madison warned in the Federalist, “mutable” laws

poison[] the blessing of liberty itself. It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed?

Unfortunately, today’s administrative state gives so much power to unelected bureaucrats—who are protected against any meaningful control by voters—that they can alter, manipulate, and change the law almost at will. The result is a breakdown in the rule of law and an arbitrary system in which the government operates, not according to predictable standards and meaningful rules, but according to political whim and in arbitrary, day-to-day, ad hoc manner.

 

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Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:31 | 4155173 HedgeAccordingly
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Means they are going to spend more $$$ on crap.... buy more bonds.

 

http://hedge.ly/1fCbWyG

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:42 | 4155197 Pladizow
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Name a president who was better then his predecessor?

America is fucked!

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron." - H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:45 | 4155228 gdiamond22
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George Washington

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:18 | 4155350 Zer0head
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Chavez would be proud

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:28 | 4155385 boogerbently
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The one and only accomplishment of this administration is based on lies, riddled with faults, and can't possibly work, unless they have a way to support it with the fines from all the people who can't afford the plan.

They are using the website fiasco to divert our attention from the program, itself.

Hoping this ruse will be successful until AFTER the next elections. We can keep our plans......for ONE year!

That's not what was promised.

Wait until the "temporarily postponed" Employer Mandate kicks in.

The Dems will kill obamacare just to try to save their own necks.

There are only 2 possibilities.

They intentionally lied, or they ALL.....EVERY ONE OF THEM, voted for and promoted a program they knew nothing about.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:34 | 4155398 NidStyles
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Seeing how the majority of their supporters are, I would venture to say it's the latter of the two.

 

I have never met a more ignorant and cluelessly naive group of people in my life.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:40 | 4155427 Truthseeker2
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Obamacare: Was the ACA a planned legislative disaster?

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http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=2442


Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:41 | 4155429 whotookmyalias
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I guess I have a different defintion of "accomplishment".  YMMV.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:54 | 4155468 knukles
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See, so here it is.
Especially when one has people with little moral or ethical anchors at the helm.
The variability and predictability, if only in the sense of some continuity of policy, becomes moot.
Meaning Helter Skelter prevails

And Markets Loathe Uncertainty

At some point the damage wrought will become Biblical

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:00 | 4155498 Joe Davola
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This dickweed stands up there and claims it's terrible some people are losing out because of what he has wrought.  Hitlery was more succinct almost 20 years when she said (in her grating preachy voice) "I can't be responsible for all the underfunded businesses (that would have been destroyed by her attempt to take over health care)."

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:21 | 4155566 negative rates
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Look, this is easy. Because your plan did not inclued the dential plan, it was sub standard. Now if you don't need to see the dentist, and want to keep your plan, you can keep your plan. Other wise the new and old dentists want to get paid from the 12 -26 year olds who are a part of any plan.

Now the kicker here folks is that, if the (we had to pass it so you could find out what's in it) gvt really wanted to include dential in the plan, why didn't they just start with kindergarden education and reduce the cost of dential from the beginning, rather than after the hook has been set and reeled in.  Giggle Giggle now Nancy!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:26 | 4155579 johnQpublic
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what?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:35 | 4155748 Bindar Dundat
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The Canadian medical system is shitty but stable -- compared to what you are getting with Obamacare it is down right attractive. When did you guys go further to the left then us Canucks?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:55 | 4155809 newdoobie
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Stable my ass, transgender surgery is covered and availiable but if you need a podiatrist in New Brunswick its a 10 year wait!

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:04 | 4155844 The Alarmist
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"Name a president who was better then his predecessor?"

Many of you might not have liked him, but would find it hard to argue that Reagan was a brief uptick in that sad downward trend ... Lincoln stands out among a long line of reputational midgets between Andrew Jackson and Teddy Roosevelt, both of whom were particularly colourful albeit ineffective.  If you define "better" as being effective, Wilson and FDR were both very effective at accomplishing radical, albeit evil transformation ... Big O will no doubt go down in history as a cross between Wilson and Carter, god help us all.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:45 | 4155899 nmewn
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It is they who had better start praying my friend.

People who I would have never suspected...left, right and in the middle are pissed. One is my ex-supervisor who is still down on the TP and we've argued/discussed issues many times but he's on the verge of snapping.

Our conversation won't be related here...but he's of the same opinion as me...when the RoL died, we both knew heads are fittin to roll.

//////////

Its just like this shit...look how WE are spoken to or about:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/13/obamacare-democrats_n_4267718.html

"Meanwhile, in the House, patience among Democrats was wearing remarkably thin. Lawmakers in that chamber were, by and large, staying away from a Republican-pushed measure that would allow people to stay on their plans for another year. But top aides were warning of a swarm of potential defections should the Obama administration not introduce its own administrative fix for the issue of canceled health insurance plans by the end of the week."

First off...this word..."allow". WTF are we, dogs...children, what? Allow?!?!...pompous fucktards. 

Then this other bullshit..."administrative fix".

Let me tell you something you anally retentive fuckwads..."administrators", bureaucrats, regulators and all other un-elected parasitical leeches ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW THE LAW...not make it or "change" it.

Its coming you bastards and hell's coming with us.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:52 | 4155984 Oldwood
Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:15 | 4156062 nmewn
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"You walk into this room at your own risk, because it leads to the future, not a future that will be but one that might be. This is not a new world, it is simply an extension of what began in the old one.

It has patterned itself after every dictator who has ever planted the ripping imprint of a boot on the pages of history since the beginning of time. It has refinements, technological advances, and a more sophisticated approach to the destruction of human freedom.

But like every one of the super states that preceded it, it has one iron rule: logic is an enemy and truth is a menace."

With everything to gain and left with nothing else to lose, we are unconquerable.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 22:33 | 4156481 Miffed Microbio...
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The problem Nmewn is you speak as though freedom is an attribute sought by all. To you,these are unalienable rights vs the devine rights of kings. You are a tiger pacing around in a zoo cage as opposed to the hoof stock munching hay in their feeders. Enhance the beauty of the cage, remove bars and create a natural setting, you will still pace knowing it is still a cage. You do not realize there are multitudes of hoof stock who don't want freedom and are more comfortable in their prison of safety rather than the life on the Serengeti. That you are caged suits them just fine. This is their Truth and they will do anything to keep it that way.

The freedom lovers of my association are unwavering. They know what is at stake, know history and their resolve is strong. The hoof stock are still fully hoof stock. " Just give it time to work" appears to be than mantra du jour. I see more polarization. If it goes down, most will just surrender even though they, sadly,out number their oppressors. I am saddened to not see much courage in the average people nor an understanding what life under dictatorial rule really means.

Miffed;-)

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:01 | 4156552 nmewn
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To take some poetic license, I guess there are a lot of tigers here trying to herd someone elses kittens away from being trampled by the hooved stock, no doubt.

But it occurs to me that there are some kittens that cannot or do not want to be saved and I don't waste my energy on the suicidal kitty's anymore...every kitten saved now is worthy of our efforts & personal sacrifice.

As its always been ;-)

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 03:23 | 4156938 Miffed Microbio...
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What you are describing Nmewn is Triage. Anyone on the battlefield or participating mass casualties has experienced this. For instance, those who are dead are toe labeled black so everyone skips over them. Others whose injuries require too much intervention to save their lives are skipped for those who are most likely will live. It is heartless but a pragmatic approach to saving most given limited resources available. Few in USA have experienced this and erroneously assume they will always have a social infrastructure that will support them. I guess I should be thankful I have experience life threatening disasters and have been left with only my own wits to survive. What doesn't kill you will make you stronger.

Miffed;-)

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:23 | 4156611 acetinker
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Miffed, that was beautiful.  Still, you know at the end of the day, that those who avoid you and consider you crazy will be the very ones most affected by the shit goin' down...

Maybe you and nme should write a new bible.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 03:03 | 4156924 Miffed Microbio...
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Thanks. ;-)

The pathetic truth is I lose at any turn of events. I fully described this Obamacare fiasco as an impending disaster designed as a course to single payer as most hear predicted. I thought I wasn't being prophetic, just stating the obvious. I am branded as " negative" and "cynical".

I actually was accused by one who claimed I was happy it had come about to fulfill my need to see Obama fail! It is so amazing to see some so fully entrenched in their faith in a mad man, just as many felt Hitler was the answer and excused his followers atrocities. It's hopeless at times to realize how few people REALLY get it and can be counted on when things go bad. I guess I should take heart that the percentage of people who participated in the American Revolution was not great as well.

Miffed;-)

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:32 | 4156107 Bad Attitude
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...when the RoL died, we both knew heads are fittin to roll.

Yup, things are going to get ugly. Those at the forefront of ignoring the rule of law are drunk with their own hubris. Now they now control the levers of government and have no compunction about using the power of government to punish and stifle their enemies. They keep pushing and pushing, but at some point there is going to be a backlash. Payback will be a bitch.

Forward (over the cliff)!

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:05 | 4156214 nmewn
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The hits just keep on coming:

Obamacare plans will cost MORE 'in many cases' even with government subsidies, officials admit for the first time

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2507489/Obamacare-plans-cost-cases-WITH-government-subsidies-Obama-administration-admits-time.html#ixzz2kfg51Bfx

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:47 | 4156672 keesooi
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"Effective" does not mean better. In fact the best presidents were those who had the good sense of getting out of the way of the citizens. My vote is for Harding and Cleveland. Harding, because, well, a monkey would have been better than Wilson.
With the exception of Jackson, the ones you are mentioning were all first rate assholes.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:05 | 4155848 nmewn
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Just to set the record straight, we didn't.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:25 | 4155576 johnQpublic
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schoedingers cat is in pandoras box

they voted to look into the box, and killed the cat

 

and thats the story of obamacare

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:45 | 4155773 odatruf
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Of course; they were told by the Speaker that they had to pass it in order to see what was in it.

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:06 | 4155853 The Alarmist
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They were hungry ... they voted to open the box so they could eat the cat.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:04 | 4155516 Keyser
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The only thing this means is that the administration will selectively choose who gets hammered by the law and who doesn't. If you are a political adversary of the Obama administration, you better lube up if you do not comply with the letter of the law, regardless of what the Nigerian Prince says. 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:22 | 4156078 SWRichmond
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The rule of law is dead.  Long live the Lockean State of Nature.  You now have only those rights you are willing to assert.

 

Henry V:

I pray thee, bear my former answer back:

Bid them achieve me and then sell my bones.

Good God! why should they mock poor fellows thus?

The man that once did sell the lion's skin

While the beast lived, was killed with hunting him.

A many of our bodies shall no doubt

Find native graves; upon the which, I trust,

Shall witness live in brass of this day's work:

And those that leave their valiant bones in France,

Dying like men, though buried in your dunghills,

They shall be famed; for there the sun shall greet them,

And draw their honours reeking up to heaven;

Leaving their earthly parts to choke your clime,

The smell whereof shall breed a plague in France.

Mark then abounding valour in our English,

That being dead, like to the bullet's grazing,

Break out into a second course of mischief,

Killing in relapse of mortality.

Let me speak proudly: tell the constable

We are but warriors for the working-day;

Our gayness and our gilt are all besmirch'd

With rainy marching in the painful field;

There's not a piece of feather in our host--

Good argument, I hope, we will not fly--

And time hath worn us into slovenry:

But, by the mass, our hearts are in the trim;

And my poor soldiers tell me, yet ere night

They'll be in fresher robes, or they will pluck

The gay new coats o'er the French soldiers' heads

And turn them out of service. If they do this,--

As, if God please, they shall,--my ransom then

Will soon be levied. Herald, save thou thy labour;

Come thou no more for ransom, gentle herald:

They shall have none, I swear, but these my joints;

Which if they have as I will leave 'em them,

Shall yield them little, tell the constable.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 22:01 | 4156402 nevket240
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Look no further than any article regarding this arsehole. Morry Strong.

http://www.unitypublishing.com/Government/Maurice%20Strong.htm

In time he and his ilk will be seen as the greatest mass murders history will ever see.

Greater than all the other Leftists combined. Hitler, Stalin, Mao.

regards.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:37 | 4155415 Herd Redirectio...
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LONG Airlines and Medical Tourism.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:01 | 4155826 Running On Bing...
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You know something, that is a very good point. The only thing missing is the trust factor, right?

These big corporations offshoring everything. Fuck'em, we need an Angie's List, or Trust Dale to bridge the trust gap in offshore care.

Does this exist?

Over.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:10 | 4155859 The Alarmist
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"Long Airlines and medical tourism."

They have a special carbon tax for that ... the airline fares of the era before deregulation are going to look sweet after TPTB figure out they can use carbon taxes to keep you where they want you.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:58 | 4156001 whotookmyalias
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They also have voluntary carbon taxes. I've not been able to stop laughing long enough to explain why I won't voluntarily pay a carbon tax.  They generally interpret the laughter as a "no thanks".  LOL

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:03 | 4155671 Wahooo
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Just impeach the mutherfucker. He's already committed several felonies with this law, including misrepresenting the healthcare law and its policies.  I don't think the Dems could withstand an impeachment process at this point, and a lot might jump on board.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:47 | 4155779 odatruf
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Fanciful, but absurd.

Lying isn't a felony unless it is under oath. Like with Bush, none of the things you really hate about how Obama governs are impeachable*, strickly speaking.

* Of course, being impeachable is what 218 Congressmen say it is, so there is that.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:14 | 4156061 Wahooo
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USCTitle 18Part IChapter 47 › § 1035 ›

18 USC § 1035 - False statements relating to health care matters

Current through Pub. L. 113-36. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

(a) Whoever, in any matter involving a health care benefit program, knowingly and willfully—

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact; or

(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statements or representations, or makes or uses any materially false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry,

in connection with the delivery of or payment for health care benefits, items, or services, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both.

(b) As used in this section, the term “health care benefit program” has the meaning given such term in section 24 (b) of this title.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 22:00 | 4156395 odatruf
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Nice bit of research there, but if you read the code further back, you'll see this section is in referance to employees or agents at a provider or payor (clinic, hospital, insurance co., etc.).  The government is none of those for the purposes of organizing the exchanges.

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:58 | 4156003 Blano
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As long as the Democraps control the Senate, it's a waste of time.

It would be passed off as racism anyways, and the Negro hordes would just start rioting more.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:56 | 4155813 rbg81
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Obama is like Stallone's Judge Dredd, basically screaming:  "I am the Law!" and daring anyone to stop him.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:15 | 4155874 nmewn
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lol...I always pictured him as a spoiled little brat who gets away with what he wants by lying about or cheating others.

Of course, he's getting exactly what he wants now...destruction.

But he's not gonna like what comes out of the other end of this sausage making enterprise. He depends on others to abide by law...after he has destroyed the very concpet of it.

I say AGAIN...Hitler had laws too.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:23 | 4156278 OneTinSoldier66
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Yep, I've heard it said before...

 

Everything Hitler did was, "legal".

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:54 | 4156371 nmewn
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Its true, I don't know why more people don't see it for what it is. Anything government says is legal...is in fact "legal" according to it. It doesn't make it morally or ethically correct...only, legal in the governments eyes.

Slavery was legal, then illegal. Alcohol was legal, then illegal, then legal again. Shooting "the kings deer" was illegal for someone who's family was starving to death under the kings tryanny & taxation but not for the kings dearest friends.

And as you say, rounding up slavs, jews, political enemies, half-wits, homosexuals and "criminals" & shipping them off to concentration camps was, completely legal under nazi law.

The law is a very tidy device to king makers and a complete facade of "law" when done wrong.

Like...compelling or coercing or bribing or subsidizing people to do things they wouldn't do of their own free will. This is a liberty and free will issue...it always has been.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:05 | 4155678 bread n circuses
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I redded you only because sometimes nothing is better than something.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:29 | 4155921 tenpanhandle
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"sometimes nothing is a cool hand".

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:27 | 4156293 eatthebanksters
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Ronald Reagan

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:48 | 4155237 Hundred Dollar Bonus
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Harry Truman?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:54 | 4155261 Jonas Parker
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Harry Truman for sure!  Ronald Reagan too!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:23 | 4155369 moonstears
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Ho shit, here come the "Truman gave the Joos Israel" comments, which is true but evidently "bad"?(no, no... but the Rottenchildren funded it, blah, meh!).

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:30 | 4155387 moonstears
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Oh, and Kennedy.(By a smidge, I like Ike, too) 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:27 | 4155586 johnQpublic
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reagan?

mr trickle down?

you must be joking

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:24 | 4155728 Theosebes Goodfellow
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John Q., the question was simply was he better than his predecessor. Reagan was 10 times better than the far-leftie Carter.

"Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

Yes ,much better than Peanut.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:37 | 4155755 gmrpeabody
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Well played, sir!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:56 | 4155810 prains
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Ronnie was better at being a slobbering fool for sure, his economic policies were much worse than Carters and filled with many more lies and graft. Read Stockman's book on the subject, he was there......lays it all out. Raygun was a fool and a stooge to the MIC, plane and simple. And NOW who's ass do you all wipe???? the serfs that you are......wait for it.......the MIC

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:34 | 4156308 OneTinSoldier66
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Ronald and Nancy's "War on Drugs" totally sucks.

 

Free the weed, free the people.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:26 | 4155732 vadu
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Kennedy? The one that gave us the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam?

His big claim to fame is the cuban missle crisis and his philandering. His NASA vision was good but the same would have been done by any president at that time.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:19 | 4155893 Chaos_Theory
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At least JFK f-cked hotties like MM.  Horny Goat Clinton f-cked such skanks that you'd need beer goggles or a dark room just to enjoy it. 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:35 | 4155933 tenpanhandle
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Terrible of you to talk of Hillary like that.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:53 | 4155989 Chaos_Theory
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If I had been talking about her I would have used words in the "frigid, glacial, ice vagina" realm.  That shit has been dick-free for decades (unless you count Mrs. Weiner).

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:40 | 4156648 Umh
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I hear he made up for it in volume.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:07 | 4155528 Keyser
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No need to bring up Israel, Harry fucked up enough things that Israel doesn't matter in the grand scheme. Once you've read up on Truman, come back and talk to me. 

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:29 | 4155562 Running On Bing...
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Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP)
http://wikileaks.org/tpp/

Today, 13 November 2013, WikiLeaks released the secret negotiated draft text for the entire TPP (Trans-Pacific Partnership) Intellectual Property Rights Chapter.

Over.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:38 | 4155758 Blues Traveler
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TPP is a nightmare walking,.  Global companies by passing sovriegn laws, tax.....

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:27 | 4155381 Binko
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Oh sure, good old Ronnie, the clown who declared we can have a giant military, cut taxes and who gives a fuck about the massive deficit. 

You can trace our current fiscal woes right back to Ronnie because he's the one who first sold the gullible American public on the idea that they can have whatever they want from government without having to pay for it. 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:35 | 4155405 NidStyles
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Carter sold the US out to IMF interests, so....

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:01 | 4155505 knukles
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Jimmy Carter.
I draw your memory to the Great Photo Op when Obie was first elected.

Clinton, Bush1, Bush2 and Obie all stood as one group with Jimmah left out way on the other side of the frame.

A Picture Tells a 1000000 Words

Rumor has it BTW, that Gerald Ford's corpse was going to be set upright for the picture but kept somehow sliding over to stand with the Bushs....
Paranormal shit in the White House
And, BTW, BTW2, it has been said that Obie is one of the first predidents to have never served in the military.
That is as correct as him being a Professor... which hs is Fucking Not.
He did serve in the Free Shit Army

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:18 | 4155555 it aint easy
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My vote is on whichever president who wasn't a freemason.

Edit: Yea that's right, I don't vote.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:48 | 4155971 shovelhead
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Ummm,

Ronnie didn't spend a dime that the DEM CONTROLLED CONGRESS didn't give him.

That reality shit fucks up a good story, don't it?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:00 | 4156201 Dapper Dan
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Many know not this gem Ronnie gave the world.  

 

Proclamation 5030 -- Exclusive Economic Zone of the United States of America March 10, 1983

By the President of the United States

of America

A Proclamation

Whereas the Government of the United States of America desires to facilitate the wise development and use of the oceans consistent with international law;

Whereas international law recognizes that, in a zone beyond its territory and adjacent to its territorial sea, known as the Exclusive Economic Zone, a coastal State may assert certain sovereign rights over natural resources and related jurisdiction; and

Whereas the establishment of an Exclusive Economic Zone by the United States will advance the development of ocean resources and promote the protection of the marine environment, while not affecting other lawful uses of the zone, including the freedoms of navigation and overflight, by other States;

Now, Therefore, I, Ronald Reagan, by the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, do hereby proclaim the sovereign rights and jurisdiction of the United States of America and confirm also the rights and freedoms of all States within an Exclusive Economic Zone, as described herein.

http://www.reagan.utexas.edu/archives/speeches/1983/31083d.htm

slick willie followed up with Proclamation 7219,    for our "Lebensraum" so to say.

And the latest from these former Secretaries Of State

Henry Kissinger

George Shultz

Condoleezza Rice

James Baker

Colin Powel

Time to Join The Law of the Sea Treaty

http://www.hoover.org/news/daily-report/118891

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:02 | 4156016 Baldrick
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No and No. Truman gave us the nsa based on an executive order, and Reagan? Really? The guy who started the con of putting your retirement savings into the hands of Wall Street? And as for Washington, do any of you realize that he was burned in effigy and protests went on for weeks because of the treaty he signed with the uk after the war? Start reading up on your history. If you NEED a leader - look in your own mirror!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:42 | 4155432 NotApplicable
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Truman??? LOL

Aren't you forgetting that he's responsible for the two single largest acts of mass murder, EVER?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:46 | 4155963 Keyser
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Not to mention gifting us with the Cold War, nuclear proliferation and handing control to the military industrial complex. The original sin. Harry had the "little man" syndrome and look where we are now.

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:50 | 4155241 Mercury
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Coolidge was better than most in either direction because he purposely didn't do much of anything.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:29 | 4155389 ExpendableOne
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Gerrald Ford because he didn't do much and vetoed what congress did do!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:54 | 4155465 PGR88
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And because Ford told a bankrupt NY City to suck it.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:02 | 4155511 knukles
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And his PR people didn't try to spin his inability to chew gum and walk at the same time.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:33 | 4155601 Calmyourself
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College QB's yep all klutzes, press slant anyone?  Chevy Chase anyone?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:50 | 4155977 Keyser
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Gerald Ford did awesome face plants!!!

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:59 | 4156007 Whoa Dammit
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True story: One of my friends fell on the steps going to the Beaver Creek Colorado post office and knocked him down.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:54 | 4155469 Joe Davola
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vetoed what congress did do

Maybe I should revisit my thinking about old Gerr.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:56 | 4155271 ZerOhead
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Whoever is elected next... (unless it's Hillary...)

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:06 | 4155520 knukles
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That's your next president.

What a hoot it will be.  She'll have to have about 1/10th of the secret service protecting her and 9/10ths trying their damnedest to keep Bill out of trouble and off the front pages. 

LOL
A fun again presidency to watch!

Oh, for the good olde days of triangulation.
When the fuck did I ever think I'd appreciate Bill Clinton so much?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:22 | 4155572 sunnyside
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I long for the days of laughing about a cum stained dress.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 09:26 | 4157268 IlluminatiSlaveDog
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At least Clinton was getting front end allignments from a female.  Just waiting for the felched boxers that some young boy page from Obama's office will have to offer up to the gristmill as an example of where we are all are about to take it.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:30 | 4155741 Miffed Microbio...
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I've got a bottle of Scotch bet that our next president Hitlery will disband Congress and become Dictator. Mr Miffed is still firmly convinced it will be Obama. I don't think he has the cajones to burn down the Reichstag.

Miffed;-)

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:22 | 4155569 Zero Point
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True. Camacho should do a better job than Obama.

His policies on giving tards kick ass lives are commendable.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:52 | 4155983 Keyser
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I hear Hulk Hogan is available for the VP gig... 

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:03 | 4156208 Zero Point
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Freakin dream team.

Hogan has that age and experience now, that will give the electorate peace of mind that things will be well run.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:05 | 4155283 bob_stl
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Thomas Jefferson.

 

“The treasury, lacking confidence in the country, delivered itself bound hand and foot to bold and bankrupt adventurers and bankers pretending to have money, whom it could have crushed at any moment…These jugglers were at the feet of government. For it was not, any confidence in their frothy bubbles, but the lack of all other money, which induced…people to take their paper…We are now without any common measure of value of property, and private fortunes are up or down at the will of the worst of our citizens…As little seems to be known of the principles of political economy as if nothing had ever been written or practiced on the subject.” – Thomas Jefferson, October 1815 in a letter to Albert Gallatin

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:49 | 4155448 moonstears
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Love how no one messes with Jefferson+1 (Andrew Jackson comes to mind also)

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:52 | 4155651 bob_stl
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"Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country.

When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin!

Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out."

Andrew Jackson - From the original minutes of the Philadelphia bankers sent to meet with President Jackson February 1834,

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:55 | 4155990 Keyser
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The cast of characters change, but history continues to repeat itself, over and over and over again... 

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:32 | 4156106 bob_stl
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And you tell me
Over and over and over again, my friend
Ah, you don’t believe
We’re on the eve
Of destruction.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:17 | 4155883 trader1
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the ultimate socialist, and you don't even know it ;-)

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:08 | 4155314 bob_stl
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.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:15 | 4155546 PrintemDano
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Obama says  "Honey I'm Home".....

 

The Shining

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:30 | 4155596 bob_stl
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Heeeere's Barry!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:00 | 4156009 Keyser
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Barry would probably make a pretty good late-night TV host. He's got that narcissistic personalty, an ego as big as Baltimore and the rap to pull it off... That is if he would take time away from his day job, destroying the US economy, erasing the middle class and inciting racial division... Too bad he missed his real calling... 

 

 

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:40 | 4155621 John_Coltrane
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Reagan compared to Carter.  You've got a rather myoptic view of history.  How about Andrew Johnson following Lincoln?  The exampels are very numerous.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:46 | 4155631 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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Andrew Jackson

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:09 | 4155693 Uncle Remus
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We're there dude.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:02 | 4156017 Keyser
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Whatever you do, please don't throw me in that briar patch!!!!! 

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:21 | 4155722 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"Name a president who was better then his predecessor?"~

James Polk

Ulysses Grant, (marginally)

Warren Harding

Herbert Hoover

Dwight Eisenhower

Ronald Reagan

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:56 | 4155817 Fred Hayek
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I'm curious why you think Hoover was better than Coolidge. The superficial coverage of Hoover one gets in U.S. gov't schools typically paints him as some champion of laissez faire economics but this isn't true. Read Rothbard's work about the depression and you find a constantly meddling Hoover signing the Smoot-Hawley tariff into law, taking all sorts of measures intended to keep wages up just as the country was falling into a deflationary depression thereby exacerbating unemployment. Hoover occasionally talked a laissez faire game but never walked it. In fact, you can find statements from Roosevelt henchmen saying that all they did was amplify things that Hoover was already doing.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:03 | 4156027 shovelhead
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That's like saying The Who amplified what the Carpenters had already done...

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:15 | 4155871 trader1
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reagan?!  

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:51 | 4155793 Fred Hayek
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Pladizow. That's easy. Warren G. Harding. He followed after arguably the worst president ever, Woodrow Wilson.

Wilson was an in your face, open about it racist. He was an a55hole ivy league snob(please excuse the redundancy). He ran for re-election on the slogan that he kept us out of war and immediately schemed to get us into war the minute the election was over. He supported the creation of the Federal Reserve, the single biggest mistake in this nation's history. He supported the creation of a federal income tax. He did not openly much support but did absolutely nothing to stop the advent of prohibition. During WWI his regime took unprecedented control of the nation's economy and went on mind boggling vendettas against anyone who spoke against the ridiculous U.S. involvement in the war. After the war his attorney general went around on a hunt for reds. Also after WWI he went to the meetings to hash out the peace treaty promising not to let it become a means for France and Britain to exact vengeance against Germany. He dithered and did nothing and let it become just that, thereby going a long way to giving the world Adolf Hitler and WWII.

Woodrow Wilson was a truly despicable man who supported many truly despicable ideas. And then at the end of his second term he had a stroke and if he'd been a fvcking man he'd have admitted that he just couldn't do the job. Instead, he hid in his bedroom and the country was effectively run by his conniving wife sending out edicts on papers possibly never seen by her husband.

Harding was a guy who wanted a good time who when the country went into a deep recession after the lifting of Wilson's insane wartime control over the economy just rode it out and things were fine.

Also, Harding had the courtesy to die just a couple years in office, an example that we should wish most presidents would follow.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:05 | 4156032 sgorem
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ALL PRESIDENTS BEFORE THIS OBAMANATION WERE BETTER........that said, I hope each and every fricking one of you dumbass bleeding heart liberals who voted for this JOKE, not once, but twice, get your health insurance cancelled and suffer for your blind stupidity.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:29 | 4156622 Parousia
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Calvin Coolidge. 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:01 | 4155201 hedgeless_horseman
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...an arbitrary system in which the government operates, not according to predictable standards and meaningful rules, but according to political whim and in arbitrary, day-to-day, ad hoc manner.

So, the GM bond holders are screwed?  Inconceivable!  This is the United States of America!

Political Risk: The risk that an investment's returns could suffer as a result of
political changes or instability in a country. Instability affecting
investment returns could stem from a change in government, legislative
bodies, other foreign policy makers, or military control.

 

Legislative Risk: Legislative Risk: The risk that legislation by the government could significantly alter the business prospects of one or more companies, adversely affecting investment holding in that company. This may occur as a direct result of government action or by altering the demand patterns of the company''s customers.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:35 | 4155382 g'kar
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.....

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:46 | 4155777 buckethead
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This post (op) is among the most well written and well reasoned I have read. Excellent work.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:12 | 4155861 trader1
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that's funny if you're dumb.

when you really know what's happenning, it looks more like this.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:45 | 4155223 azzhatter
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All can be fixed thru massive civil disobedience. Good luck with that. I did my part, walked away from a $300Ka year job and went Galt. Out of the banking system, don't participate in any of their games. But most people, including on this forum choose to just bitch about things while allowing anal rape. If everyone refused to play the game, the game would change.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:59 | 4155495 Meat Hammer
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You're absolutely right.  However, some of us experienced our awakening later in life and are starting the slow process of exiting the matrix.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:23 | 4155575 Buckaroo Banzai
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I predict you'll see a lot of "going Galt" in the next 6 months.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:31 | 4155599 johnQpublic
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is that like going commando?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:39 | 4155618 ncdirtdigger
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I'm out there, and I'm LOVIN IT!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:41 | 4155767 knukles
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So, you gonna go Galt or Rob Ford?
Both be forms of escape.....

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:40 | 4155953 Chaos_Theory
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For me it means taking out everyone in my immediate vicinity with Obama 2012 stickers on their cars.  I can forgive the 2008 crowd due to the choices and lack of a record.  

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:53 | 4155801 lakecity55
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There are numerous means of lawful resistance and I am using them.

Everyone needs to pick up the slack or we are most assuredly dead.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:50 | 4155244 whirling tword ...
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What does it matter what the son of a bitch says anyway???  You can't believe a fucking thing he says......

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:36 | 4155180 ZippyBananaPants
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It means they won.  They passed a crap law with the knowledge that it was crap, and then now they can change it however they want to and we cant do a thing to fight them.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:43 | 4155207 Headbanger
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Yeah, what's next??  Glad I got my guns now!

But how the fuck can an economy operate when the shit heads keep changing the rules!?

I bet even moar health policies get cancelled now cause the insurance companies have no idea what will hit them next!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:54 | 4155264 TBT or not TBT
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Capricious government is what made FDR's enless recessions "Great".    The Forgotten Man is a good primer.   Remember Obummer had everyone in the administration read The First 100 Days, which they hoped to emulate.   Imagine if they got more done than just the ACA.     

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:41 | 4155957 Chaos_Theory
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It's funny that you mention "guns" and "changing rules" in the same post.  I sense foreshadowing...

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:41 | 4155209 Pooper Popper
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What This Morning’s Obamacare Announcement Means

 

It means obama is an ASSHOLE!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:21 | 4155357 pods
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Captain Clusterfuck wants a mulligan!  

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:01 | 4155504 Meat Hammer
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Captain Mulligan wants a clusterfuck!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:49 | 4155644 formadesika3
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impeach the motherfucker.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:51 | 4155795 lakecity55
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We are The Resistance.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:43 | 4155217 Ignatius
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"It means they won."

Resist.  Disobey.  Local solutions.

For a few hundred dollars a year people could have a GP under contract to service all patients in the group (1500-2000).

This whole ACA is a fucking medical mafia scam.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:18 | 4155886 FreedomGuy
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It's not a "medical mafia scam". It's a government takeover and anyone in medicine deals with the Congressional mafia. You pay protection money in the form of campaign donations and some cash under the table. Once in awhile they make a public example of you to keep the proles happy and make a point about keeping the money flowing. It is a sort of regulatory brick through the window.

Remember, it is your loving, caring government that owns the police, guns and regulators. You can buy favors but you don't get the power.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:41 | 4156329 Ignatius
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The 'government' is privately held. 

Here in America it came into being by a convention of the landed gentry.  Today it's corporations.  And yes, the people and the corrupt congresscritters are also running their mafias and trying to carve off their piece. 

A government that is acting only in the interests of 'all the people' would ideally do very little.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 22:36 | 4156489 FreedomGuy
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I disagree even though on this site it is not a popular opinion. Here is my rationale. If it were private and run by some shadow conspiracy it would be far more rational and better run. If you "own" a business or the government then you have an interest in it functioning and remaining productive. Kings cannot kill all the serfs or their productive base is gone. You can kill one every once in awhile to impress the others but not completely.

If the government is owned then who is it, banksters, big oil, big pharmaceuticals, the medical mafia, trial lawyers, subsidized farmers, Jews, billionaires, Praetorian NSA the Illuminati, the Chinese, Rothschild's, the Antichrist????? How do they all get along?

Personally, I think you have to distinguish between influence and control. I assert 90% of what you need to know is in front of your face. The Statists in government are in control and taking more control. They gain a large alliance through influence but they never give up control.

Having said that, I do agree with the idea that a good government frankly does very little. However, when you elect statist they absolutely positively cannot stand leaving you or anything else alone. They must screw with everything...everything.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 12:23 | 4157927 Ignatius
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By "privately held"  -- intentional hyperbole -- I mean that powerful private interests have the means and the motive to assert as much control as possible to protect and extend their capital investments.  Since we have the pretext of a democratic republc and the rule of law, control is not perfect and is often messy.

 

 

 

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:04 | 4159988 FreedomGuy
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On that point we are agreed, Ignatius. Bastiat makes a good point in "The Law" that government and it's laws are eventually bent to serve a favored class of citizen rather than dispense justice. This is where the influence comes in.

For example, I used to find it incomprehensible that I would sometimes see large business seeminly favor nre regulations. Then I realized it prevents new competitors from entering the market. Some of it is a sop to the Congressional Mafia to beat them less, as well. My point is the 'law' can have many many uses apart from justice.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:53 | 4155260 czardas
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It's like the Obamites reside in an alternate universe where every failure is treated as a potential, future success.  Nothing better symbolizes how out of touch the Prez is than his wave the wand approach to reversing the massive changes companies have had to make over the past 3 years.  And these DO require more than 2 weeks of testing.  The MSM is even worse - reporting with a straight face the crumbling of the law then in the next breath rhapsodizing on how it;s really a "good thing".

Never mentioned - the hordes of Mediaid enrollees who will have "coverage" but no doctor.  Physicians recognize that every Medicaid patient is a losing proposition and they are quickly cutting them off.   That news conference should be a Mystery Science 3000 special. 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:07 | 4156035 Everybodys All ...
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His executive action is simply not constitutional. The president can ask the law to be changed and then sign it but he has no constitutional right to do anything on his own.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 22:42 | 4156499 FreedomGuy
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It is actually standard form for the Left to always talk about some ideal future with them in control. All failures are a result of too little money and control. All bad things in life or even less than optimal things are blamed on lack of control. It is absurd if you are invested in real life but it makes for good sound bites and high sounding priniciple on TV and for a thoroughly dumbed down population.

I watched Obama talk about the "broken healthcare system" that he was trying to fix. That statement is so absurd, untrue and even arrogant that a large quantity of rotten cabbages should have been hurled at his head. However, you get nodding heads and serious look from the stupid sheep running the interview.

What I see today is the profound arrogance of the Left coming out in the open and the lack of reaction by most (not all) tells me exactly what I need to know about the population.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:04 | 4155673 DosZap
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What is going to CHANGE this, is no one except those FEW that come out ahead(through subsidies profit),are going to sign onto ANY of the three plans.WHO can afford them?.Except the wealthy, and the poor,and the folks that get tons of subsidies.

NO ONE.The Prems are expensive, and the deductibles are outrageous, Afordable??? For WHO?.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:35 | 4155181 q99x2
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Holy shit things are so bad China and Russia have decided to let Washington D.C. commit suicide rather than bomb them.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:58 | 4155996 Urban Redneck
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"the enemy is making a false move, why should we interrupt him?"
They said of the Unholy American Emporer at Austerlitz Redux

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:37 | 4155183 Cdad
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So...all systems go then?  Buy insurance I can neither...well...buy...much less afford, or commence life on the lamb with K. Sebelius holding on to the choke chain around my neck?  

Do I have all of this right?

Thank you President Zero...for your ZeroCare.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:38 | 4155186 Landotfree
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"The problems began with its initial enactment—first the Individual Mandate was supposed to be a “regulation of commerce.” That was unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court finally said no…only to rewrite the law by declaring it to be a “tax” instead. That doesn’t work either, though, because the Constitution requires that tax laws originate in the House of Representatives, and Obamacare began in the Senate. "

 

Sorry but the legislation does NOT apply to me, regardless of your statements.   There is no COLLECTIVISM in Law.   What applies to some animals does not apply to all animals, sorry, but I am not a part of your collective group.   Living is not a public right, the government can only be involved in regulating "public rights" not "private Rights".  People have bigger problems if they think this applies to them without a declaration of their taxable status.

 

26 USC 7852

(a) Separability clause 

If any provision of this title, or the application thereof to any person or circumstances, is held invalid, the remainder of the title, and the application of such provision to other persons or circumstances, shall not be affected thereby.
Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:49 | 4155450 NotApplicable
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Well, none of it applies to me either, but I'm not going to base my claim on the silliness of words on paper, as doing so implies you accept the concept of the validity of written laws as a legitimate controlling force over your life.

That kind of stinkin' thinkin' will ultimately get you killed.

Long story short; the only legitimate authority is that little voice inside of my head. Anything else is pure insanity as well as wholly immoral.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:07 | 4155526 g speed
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the new law states---I am the law unto myself??

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