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What This Morning’s Obamacare Announcement Means

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By Timothy Sandefur of Pacific Legal

Lawlessness: what this morning’s Obamacare announcement means

President Obama this morning announced that he would be issuing an administrative order—which requires no Congressional review—delaying the implementation of provisions of Obamacare that had led to the cancellation of a million or so insurance policies. This follows on the Administration’s similar delays of the Employer Mandate and the Individual Mandate. According to CNN, this morning’s delay is supposed to “cover millions of people who have had their insurance policies cancelled,” but the fact is that in many states, it won’t even do that—because insurance companies, anticipating the implementation of the new law, long ago decided to cancel these policies. Surprise!—except for the attentive observers who have been warning about this for years. Moreover, many states—including California—which are already going along with Obamacare are already beyond the Administration’s reach, because those insurance policies were cancelled by state agencies. This morning’s delay can’t do anything about that.

But there’s a much deeper problem at work here: the lawlessness of Obamacare, root and branch. The problems began with its initial enactment—first the Individual Mandate was supposed to be a “regulation of commerce.” That was unconstitutional, and the Supreme Court finally said no…only to rewrite the law by declaring it to be a “tax” instead. That doesn’t work either, though, because the Constitution requires that tax laws originate in the House of Representatives, and Obamacare began in the Senate. Meanwhile, the contents of the law—which members of Congress didn’t bother to read before they passed—gave away tremendous new powers to administrative agencies to write new rules to fill in crucial blank spots in the statute itself. For example, the Individual Mandate forces Americans to buy “minimum essential coverage”—but that term was left up to unelected bureaucrats in the Department of Health & Human Services to define later. And the law created a powerful new independent agency, the Independent Payment Advisory Board, and gave it power to write law about Medicare reimbursement rates without any checks and balances…and tried to make the law itself unrepealable.

Now come unilateral administrative delays on the order of the President. Keep in mind what these delays really are—they are not new laws, or amendments to the law…they are orders from the President to his subordinates to simply not enforce laws that are on the books. The Employer Mandate, for example, was “delayed” by an order that simply instructs Executive agencies not to enforce the reporting requirement. A company that fails to comply with that Mandate is still violating the law—it’s just that the President has chosen to look the other way for now.

The Constitution of the United States says that the President “shall take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” That provision was written because the Founding Fathers had experienced the arbitrariness of a government in which the British monarchy picked and chose which laws to enforce and which laws to ignore. The result of such political control over the law was, they knew, a breakdown in the rule of law—and a breakdown that allowed the powerful and politically well-connected to manipulate the system at will. As James Madison warned in the Federalist, “mutable” laws

poison[] the blessing of liberty itself. It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow. Law is defined to be a rule of action; but how can that be a rule, which is little known, and less fixed?

Unfortunately, today’s administrative state gives so much power to unelected bureaucrats—who are protected against any meaningful control by voters—that they can alter, manipulate, and change the law almost at will. The result is a breakdown in the rule of law and an arbitrary system in which the government operates, not according to predictable standards and meaningful rules, but according to political whim and in arbitrary, day-to-day, ad hoc manner.

 

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Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:37 | 4155188 Mercury
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What the fuck is an "administrative order"?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:38 | 4155194 Cdad
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Think of it as a decree.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:41 | 4155211 Mercury
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...but distinct from an executive order, selective enforcement or just plain disregard for the law?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:23 | 4155367 ZerOhead
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Yes.

(Glad I could help)

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:41 | 4155202 Landotfree
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Technically 99% of what the government does is "administrative", what they are saying is he is going to disregard the statutue.  

Of course, this does not apply to anyone anyway as the federal government does not administrative determine your taxable status.

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:12 | 4155334 SokPOTUS
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A Royal Decree.

    - signed, King George III

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:52 | 4155464 NotApplicable
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An offer you cannot refuse.

 - Don Vito Corleone

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:36 | 4155609 PrintemDano
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Q. What the fuck is an "administrative order"?

 

A.   Tyranny

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:46 | 4155775 lakecity55
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B. "Because I am The Fuhrer."

 

1935 Germany is starting to look pretty good at this point. At least more people had jobs.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:38 | 4155192 suteibu
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Well, let's all sue them.

Oh, that's right...the peons have no standing in the American Just US system.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:43 | 4155213 NIHILIST CIPHER
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The criminal cartel don't need no stinking "rule of law"......... they make up their own when they feel like it and that includes "adminstrative orders".

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:39 | 4155198 Shizzmoney
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"Occasionally people in power should take responsibility for things they're responsible for"

http://t.co/NKLdM7SLt5

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:39 | 4155200 trader1
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to borrow from nietszche, the constitution is dead.  

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:48 | 4155231 Bluntly Put
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Wrong. The constution was nothing more than an attempt to form a collective government between sovereign states and used the idea of natural rights as a basis to define the relationship of the federal government to the state governments and the people.

We can all ignore the principles of natural rights, pretend they don't exist, and live in a fairy tale land of relativism but at heart the principles of natural rights foster prosperity and libery. The government can repress those rights through unconstitutional actions, and those actions can go unquestioned by the public at large through ignorance but that repression does not foster prosperity, and more importantly STABILITY.

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:04 | 4155299 trader1
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i will put up a sarc tag next time, but let's play. 

"a fairy tale land of relativism"

for many topics (not all), there is a relative observation/belief bias.  

have you ever seen the world from the point of view of an "al qaeda" terrorist?

have you ever seen the world from the point of view of a political leader?

have you ever seen the world from the point of view of the CEO of United Healthcare?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:03 | 4155839 trader1
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oh come on!  no one wants to fight this one?

i will assume the obvious....

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:08 | 4155316 TeamDepends
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Know your rights.  They are God-given and can not be taken away by mortals.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNHcKnjrSNE

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:19 | 4155717 trader1
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green'd ya.

i love god.  

we are one.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:24 | 4155370 trader1
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i did green you btw ;-)

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:40 | 4155203 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Maybe off topic maybe not if you want to play the contraceptives angle here and Captain Cluster Fuck Care covering them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2190863/Semen-good-womens-heal...

The State University of New York study - which scientists carried out via survey rather than through practical experiment - compared the sex lives of 293 females to their mental health.

It follows research which shows that seminal fluid contains chemicals that elevate mood, increase affection, induce sleep and also contain at least three anti-depressants.

The researchers also claim that women who have regular unprotected sex are less depressed and perform better on cognitive tests.

...

If you can't prevent rape, maybe you should enjoy it and that is why bitchez

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-13/head-indias-fbi-says-%E2%80%9Ci...

...

The lightning bolt should be next anytime now.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:57 | 4155282 pods
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Did the study state whether it was best taken orally, topically, or as an ophthalmic treatment?

pods

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:01 | 4155296 BandGap
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Honestly, to preserve the "ingredients" sublingually and rectally would be best. These modes introduce the actives directly into the bloodstream immediately. There are consequences to the rectal introduction, however, since it has been known rectal sex lowers the immune system in men. Ingestion would probably be fine although additional studies should be required.

 

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:58 | 4155492 pods
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First pass metabolism can be a bitch!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:56 | 4155478 NotApplicable
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California frowns on your ophthalmic approach.

I bet they're fine with anally, though.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:55 | 4155658 akak
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Now we know why women are always happy to receive a pearl necklace.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:48 | 4155639 WillyGroper
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You're twisted! LOL

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:58 | 4155284 BandGap
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Good to know.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:01 | 4155294 NOTaREALmerican
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Re:  The researchers also claim that women who have regular unprotected sex are less depressed and perform better on cognitive tests.

Until they get pregnant and their IQ drops to almost 0. 

One would assume that if you were designing humans to replicate their DNA, unprotected sex would cause more "elevate mood, increase affection, induce sleep and also contain at least three anti-depressants" (how else would famales put up with semi-psychotic males).    The females would then "fall in love" with the male, they'd mate,  produce a new DNA stand, the female's IQ would drop enough to keep the new DNA strand alive and not be anoyed by the process, the males assholeness would drop enough to not kill the new DNA strand and not be killed by the female after she notices what an asshole he actually is.

DNA replication is a complicated process especially when so many humans are obnoxious assholes.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:51 | 4155646 WillyGroper
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What about fertility? The French male down by 30%.

Surely motility plays into the chemical equation.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:55 | 4156177 The Kludge
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Of course it does.  But my peugot died, and te company went out of business, so I haven't been getting out as much.

And don't call me Shirley.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:40 | 4155205 QQQBall
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Nothing. Obomber is a waste of ZH space. Don't give the attention whore any satisfaction

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:50 | 4155247 TBT or not TBT
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Let's talk about who this guy really is and has been, what he does and has done and intends, not about what he says and pretends.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:57 | 4155484 NotApplicable
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He's nothing but a puppet, so the only element of interest is where his strings lead.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:41 | 4155208 buzzsaw99
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It also means that a future republican president can administrative order the thing out of existence in a few years.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:47 | 4155235 TBT or not TBT
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Why is that not comforting?   Maybe because the Madison Federalist Papers quote is dead on...

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:52 | 4155256 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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I think Ben Franklin called it way back when.

“I agree to this Constitution with all its faults, if they are such: because I think a General Government necessary for us, and there is no Form of Government but what may be a Blessing to the People if well-administred; and I believe farther that this is likely to be well administred for a Course of Years and can only end in Despotism as other Forms have done before it, when the People shall become so corrupted as to need Despotic Government, being incapable of any other.”
Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:54 | 4155471 odatruf
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What Mr. Franklin gets 100% right is that it is the people who become corrupt so as to need Despotic Government.

Clearly there are a lot of smart, well meaning people who would endure sacrifice and inconvenience for the good of the whole, but they aren't the majority and we should all recognize that.

Garbage in; garbage out applies. We the people are supposed to be a key input.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:52 | 4155799 TBT or not TBT
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The soft racism of low expectations.   Things were going only south moderately fast until the effects of the 1965 immigration reform piled up deep enough and gave Government Party politicians permanent majorities.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:55 | 4155268 buzzsaw99
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all i'm saying about owebomba care is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_too_shall_pass

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:07 | 4155684 Suisse
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Yeah, pass like a kidney stone. 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:41 | 4155212 Spaceman Spiff
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Yeah, why are we alarmed at the expanded definition of 'administration discretion' now?    This shit started when he did the dream act via the bureaucracy. (Probably before that, but that was the first big one)....

 

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:44 | 4155220 CoastalCowboy
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What does it really matter or even actually change?

The ACA effectively screwed me when I lost my job six months after its effective date in March of 2010. Thanks to starting my own consulting practice I'm making steady progress in a very tough economy. I'm paying the basic bills for myself and the FSA too. I just can't afford health insurance at these jacked up rates and deductibles for services I do not need.

Now, if they'd let me buy a catastrophic only policy like I used to be able to do before the ACA , I might actually be in a better place.

I'm living proof that these ivory tower egghead pricks can't even figure out how to put their own shoes on in the morning. I guess they have people for that.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:57 | 4155280 czardas
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My wife, a health care attorney, has for years said all we need are catastrophic plans.  Prices would plummet and Mary would not be taking Johnny to the doc for every sniffle.  It's odd - we have catastrophic plans for our cars and homes but not our bodies. 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:58 | 4155488 scrappy
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I think you can get a catastrphic plan from

https://www.esurance.com/health-insurance

depending on where you live, do the comparison function on the site, deductables are key to pricing.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:45 | 4155543 CoastalCowboy
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Thanks scrappy!!! My state looks pretty damn good!

Until I went to healthcare.gov and read the rules governing catastrophic plans for people over 30. I learned that I do not meet any of the 12 hardship exemptions for people over 30. It appears I can still buy a catastrophic plan, but I will still be subject to penalties.

Sand meet gears!!!! This thing is such a cluster foxtrot it cannot be described. They obviously hate entrepreneurs. I definitely have to run the numbers though as it does open an option.

Who the hell knows what the law will be in 2 days/weeks/months/years????

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:06 | 4155311 CrimsonAvenger
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+1000000 for jumping in and doing it on your own terms. Don't let the bastards grind you down.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:39 | 4155423 trader1
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come to germany.  

as a freelancer, you're eligible for private insurance which is often cheaper than the public one.  

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:16 | 4155477 CoastalCowboy
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Sweet deal!!!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:54 | 4155470 island
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In my state the catastrophic plans are as much or more than the Bronze plans, which are "catastrophic" plans as well (certainly would have been catagorized as such under prior regulations) - with $5000 and higher deductibles.

Catastrophic plans are really what Insurance is supposed to be about.

Instead we get the Obamacare mandate that we have pre-paid medical plus insurance.  It is a friggin' scam.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:45 | 4155226 media_man
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What's worse is these various government agencies have their own para military police forces armed to the teeth and ready to swoop in and capture, arrest, and kill, if needed, whoever dares question their authority.

Mark Steyn writes about it quite often and with great humor.  But the gist of it is we are no longer a free country.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:50 | 4155788 Herd Redirectio...
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Yep, the patriotic citizens stay in the Armed Forces, the sociopaths get recruited to be jackboot thugs in one of the many SWAT-style teams the Gov't now keeps on stand-by.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 22:46 | 4156509 FreedomGuy
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When "healthcare" reform comes with 16,000 new IRS agents and no extra doctors you have all you need to know.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:45 | 4155227 TBT or not TBT
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Excellent breakdown of where we are.   Lawlessness at the top reaching all the way down to our individual bodies, possessions and private commerce.   Entirely unaccountable, corrupt and capricious pervasive central government tyranny.    There is no "federal" government.   We have a central government supported by stormtroopers attached to every uncountable and unacccountable agency spread throughout every state and territory.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:45 | 4155229 29.5 hours
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The quote from Madison puts in a nutshell one of the dynamics tending to our current state of lawlessness by making the body of laws so complex, any sort of bureaucratic layer can manipulate them at will.

Obama's executive order delaying certain implementations is stated in a way that the people are given nothing they can grasp while the big health insurance/finance groups can utilize as they see fit to maximize their gains.

 

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:46 | 4155232 sschu
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Bam is cornered, there are no easy paths out of this mess.  Whatever he does at this point is either illegal, unconstitutional or so politically unpopular as to emasculate him.  

The sad part is millions who will be without insurance or will have to pay exorbitant costs for the foreseeable future.  Unless they can pull a genie out of the hat not sure how that gets fixed in the next 6 weeks.

This was a terrible idea from the beginning, very poorly legislated, horribly administered with near zero chance to meet any of the published objectives.

Bam you own it now.  Maybe for once in his life he will be held accountable.  The problem is what does a cornered rat do?  We share know soon.

sschu 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:12 | 4155318 moonstears
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Maybe it'll come out that Bush was killing puppies, while getting blown by a young man, in the California woods, near a stone owl, maybe? Then he could blame that.

Nah, never happen. Bush likes puppies, surely.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:23 | 4155637 PrintemDano
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"Maybe it'll come out that Bush was killing puppies, while getting blown by a young man, in the California woods, near a stone owl, maybe? Then he could blame that."

Nah Moonstears, I believe that is Ozero.....but no one that counts, cares.

 

Actually according to Obama's book he ate the puppies, I'm sure someone else did the killing of said puppies.  Him being a "hi level Community Organizer" and all...

 

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:56 | 4155814 TBT or not TBT
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Coulda been worse.  Imagine if our president had transported a beloved family pet IN A CRATE! on the roof of his car.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:26 | 4156289 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Or Aunt Edna's dog Dinky tied to the bumper of the car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HbBL62IiRE

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:39 | 4155761 lakecity55
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"I'm really good at Killing People."

-BHO

So, I think we know what's coming down the pike.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:51 | 4155979 Chaos_Theory
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"it is payback time, we reward our friends punish our enemies."

Alleged quote by (President Un-elect) Valarie Jarrett

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:47 | 4155233 highly debtful
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What bothers me is that this shift towards lawlesness and disregard of elementary democratic principles is occurring in the country with the most powerful military complex of the world. Had it been Zimbabwe, I wouldn't lose much sleep over it, but when the USA is starting to run amok... 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:47 | 4155234 mayhem_korner
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This is the manifestation of what libtards profess is a "living Consititution."

Great post.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:37 | 4155754 lakecity55
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Bath House is a manifestation of an actual, living Piece of Shit.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:49 | 4155239 Seasmoke
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There must be a way to blame the Tea Party on this clusterfuck. 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:45 | 4155438 harleyjohn45
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I saw him this morning, and he did blame the goverment shutdown for many of the problems, so I guess he blamed the tea party.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:26 | 4155583 negative rates
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There is, if you want to dump your plan, you can dump your plan, simple as that. Would like me to pass the info up the chain of command for ya?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:51 | 4155249 Joebloinvestor
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The insurance companies should STICK IT TO THE ASSHOLE and declare it is "TOO FUCKING LATE".

All they are gonna get from Barry is a bucketful of blame.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:29 | 4155388 machineh
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Then we should impeach his Kenyan ass and DEPORT this sociopathic ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:01 | 4155503 NotApplicable
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Yeah, cuz the next sociopath in line is sooooooooo much better.

Other than a century of fedgov schooling, I simply cannot understand why people demand to be ruled by the mafia.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:46 | 4155634 Calmyourself
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Gosh I love your constant straw men: cuz the next in line is so much better...  who is the next in line, you sure.. degrading choice by telling us all options are bad...  Please inform us of the logical choices left to us.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:52 | 4155252 NoWayJose
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This has been the Democrat's golden harpoon for decades.  Set up a government agency, and allow it to write its own rules and regulations.  The nature of all these agencies is to grow and expand their power - exactly what we are seeing.  They are impossible to get rid of unless the Democrats lose control of the White House and both houses of Congress.  Even then, there is wailing and TV coverage of anything that might get cut.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:08 | 4155532 pods
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Like when the democrats concocted the DHS, that was brilliant of them.  Or that Medicare Part D. Or when Reagan did away with the Dept of Education.

Wake the fuck up.  

If voting changed anything they'd make it illegal. (Emma Goldman)

pods

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:30 | 4155922 sunnyside
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Not too long ago I saw where the Congressional Black Caucus was requesting that Sheila Jackson Lee be nominated as the next head of DHS.  My first reaction was 'Oh my God", then I thought about it some and thought, "oh, please make this happen."

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:53 | 4155259 pupdog1
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Call your senator and comgressman, as I did today, to demand a special prosecutor to investigate Moochelle Obama's role in funneling the Gangster-care website job to her gal-pal from her former school days.  Published accounts say that this was a sole-source no-bid contract.

 

And now, the same outfit will be getting another billion to do it over.

 

This is wholesale fraud and a high crime from the oval office.  Any of this would be unimaginable in the private sector.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:14 | 4155339 PoliticalRefuge...
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Note to self.. call John McCain, Jeff Flake and Raul Grijalva this morning and let them know how I feel.. **really?**

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:26 | 4155379 jomama
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if you don't give them money, they don't give half a fuck about your opinion.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:15 | 4155548 pupdog1
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I noticed that they were crappin' in their pants when calls were running 100-to-1 against Barack Hussain's ginned-up wannabe war against Syria. The kid in my congressman's office said "our phone is melting."

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:04 | 4155674 WillyGroper
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This differs from HAL/KBR how?

You're wasting your breath.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:54 | 4155266 MedicalQuack
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Who in the heck let this post in here from an attorney:)  I found it quite amusing as we have an announcement today to help this along and he's just being a pain in the ass with this article. 

What did happen in effect today is that the insurance companies will be calling on their armies of quants for new models now, maybe something they didn't really want to do but come on folks insurers have armies of quants just like the banks do and now the ball is back in their court to model and implement this change.  It didn't have to be this way but they chose the low road with what and how they did it wiht cancellation of policies.  It's all about "their" context and how they approached it. 

This as the President says is 5% of the total insurance business and it does affect a lot of people but if it is only that small of a piece of the pie, of what I am part of too, can't the insurers do any better?  You would think so but the shareholders will not let go of one potential penny.  They don't see it the same way.

I had to laugh my ass off listening to that reporter once again asking about a solid date for the website and if we few more of those journalists had ever written code they would get it and stop beating a dead horse.

Here's the deal, more math models and algorithms to clash and screech...just like the markets except we don't have quite the same issues with speed:)

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/11/president-obama-extends-current.html

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:37 | 4155407 29.5 hours
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"the insurance companies...chose the low road with what and how they did it with cancellation of policies."

Exactly. Obama did not give citizens the right to uncancel policies. He gave the insurance giants another option to maximize the looting of the country.

 

 

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:57 | 4155279 pcrs
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The government is a criminal organisation, it operates under threat of force and imposes its will through force to favor some and disfavor other. The money from the tax slaves is leverage on the private donations in the pockets of politicians.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 15:57 | 4155281 cabtrom
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Lol ironic, Obama biggest Slave owner in American history. Yesir massa!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:00 | 4155289 Zymurguy
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BO says he "fumbled" the rollout of this program.

Fact is, his administration is full of people who were academic intellectuals with little to no real world experience.  Many of these people have been financially sheltered their entire lives.  They have no foundation from which to build on.

Combine this with the governments natural ability to fuck everything up it touches and there's absolutely no way this thing was going to work.

He essentially "fumbled" a football that wasn't built right to begin with and wouldn't hold air.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:56 | 4155819 Herd Redirectio...
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I think it was more of a "pick and 6" than a fumble.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:00 | 4155292 bagehot99
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I'm sure the media will conduct a forensic analysis of this proposed decree, I mean administrative order, to determine if it indeed is lawful, and if not will commence a public information campaign to alert We The People to the constitutional peril.

Or maybe they'll just interview the singer ejected from last night's X Factor.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:05 | 4155307 The Heart
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Play the videos of Oblaba the Liar, or babylons lieingest puppet ever, while listening to this, and you have the real poop on this whole darn picture show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWpCD6T5E94

 

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:10 | 4155324 vegas
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It's simple; deflect pain past the 2014 midterms and hope the libtard party can take control of the House so that president Gobbels can do whatever the hell he wants by decree. Democracy is soooooooooooooo messy.

 

http://vegasxau.blogspot.com

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:12 | 4155333 roadhazard
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wow...lol

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:13 | 4155337 Save_America1st
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Rush Limbaugh has been destroying obombya and the rest of the libtards over this Charlie-Foxtrot all day.  He broke down the whole thing and just hammered on it the entire show. 

O-fuck-head and the rest of the Marxists are shitting themselves bad over this one.  The main thing Rush was worried about is that the assholes on the "right" (still prog scumbags mostly) as usual aren't going to do a fucking thing about driving the last nail in the coffin of this fucking bullshit unconstitutional "law".

They're going to help save it, because hey, deep down all those treasonous MF'ers want this "law" to stay in place to use against us.

If we put all these fuckers on trial for their treason it would make the Nuremberg trials look like a slow day in traffic court.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:24 | 4155374 jomama
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i can't believe you admit to listening to that mental midget.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:38 | 4155421 Save_America1st
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yep...that's it...you're right.  You've got all the answers.  I'm so sorry I ever doubted someone of your incredible stature and vast intellectual influence.  What time is your nightly podcast from the basement again so that we all can tune in?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:08 | 4155691 jomama
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i don't have all the answers, but one things for fucking sure, i wouldn't waste ten seconds listening to that hypocritcal fucking tool, let alone take him seriously.

who the hell needs a talk show to be meaningful?  apparently everyone in your extremely narrow paradigm.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:26 | 4155733 PrintemDano
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Jomama, a clueless Kool Aid guzzling tool, all one needs to do is count the F bombs in your inane diatrabes.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:52 | 4155797 forwardho
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Indeed, in cource conversation an occational F bomb may fall.

But really, Who takes the time to write a vulgar, meaningless word to win their argument?

Loose.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:39 | 4155425 harleyjohn45
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prehaps you should tune in to Rush instead of drinking the Obama coolaid.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:07 | 4155681 jomama
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perhaps you should broaden your horizons beyond those two ignorant fuckwits

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:51 | 4155648 Calmyourself
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With a well trained mind value can be found in many places if one has the intellect to juxtapose different sources, oh yeah never mind..

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:11 | 4155696 jomama
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orly?!

name one thing that idiot has said that was groundbreaking, revolutionary, or insight that has never been presented before?

i think it's pretty safe to say your love affair consists mostly of looking for someone to blame for everthing you don't like about this country, and you'll be damned if those heathen faggot liberals weren't responsible for all of it!

 

give me a fucking break.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:56 | 4155778 forwardho
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I HOPE HE FAILS.

Said by Limbaugh on the day of O's immaculation.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:35 | 4155941 jomama
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ZH has been officially overrun by a bunch of zealous wanna-be conservative morons.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:45 | 4155961 Everybodys All ...
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Maybe it's time to do some introspection.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:57 | 4155994 Save_America1st
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@jomama

 

looks like you've seriously lost out on the consensous here man...not like my original post was supposed to spark some kind of arguement or anything.  But you were the one who jumped up against it, and well...it doesn't look like it's going very well for you.

Maybe the forum page at the Daily Beast or Huffington Post would be more your speed.

just sayin'...

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:44 | 4156138 jomama
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you think i'd really take advice from some moron religiously listening to rush?  you really think i give a shit about upvotes from a bunch of fat, white, xenophobic assholes? 

stick with upvoting your own posts.  i'm sure it re-affirms your very narrow perspective in your tiny little world.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:47 | 4156674 Clowns on Acid
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fuck you. You think way too much of yourself fuckwad.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:40 | 4156326 PrintemDano
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Yes and unfortunately Obama has succeded....I too wish he failed. 

 

forward, you are too much of a simpleton to understand.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:09 | 4155690 PrintemDano
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JOMMAMAMA says"i can't believe you admit to listening to that mental midget."

 

I never listen to Obama, the mentalist midget of them all.  Lilliputian I dare say.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:26 | 4156286 Everybodys All ...
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I wonder who exactly you would trust to sound an alarm on the ACA or anything for that matter anti-Obama.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 22:48 | 4156516 FreedomGuy
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and jomama why don't you list what mental giants you listen to? Perhaps we can render opinion on your prophets.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:09 | 4155695 WillyGroper
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Flush Rush.

I'd be willing to bet his only concern is the new rules for refilling his oxy.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:41 | 4156330 PrintemDano
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Yet you kneel in front of the head of the Choom Gang.....tool.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 12:33 | 4157965 WillyGroper
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Nope. Please tell me, why isn't the oversized gas bag in prison? Oh, I forgot, he's the mouth for the OTHER side. 

Don't play left/right, red/blue.

Too bad Rush didn't lose his hearing permanently.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:44 | 4155772 forwardho
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Do not forget that 93 out of 100 voted for the NDAA.

Red or Blue, These people are not thinking of what is "best" for you.

The deffination of "belligerant" will seal your fate.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 21:44 | 4156338 PrintemDano
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You need a remedial English class.

Perhaps a logic class after you finish that.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:16 | 4155343 Czar of Defenes...
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If Mr. Sandefur is "lurking" here,I'd be grateful for his observations on remarks I've often heard about the "tax laws originate in the House" thing. 

 

It seems the technique used to pass the PPACA had been used many, MANY times before...that being: a bill may have been developed and passed in the Senate, but was then "wrapped"/inserted into the "shell" of a previously existing House bill, so that its origins technically technically technically [include echo effect to the degree of your choice] were in the House.  If this procedure is NOT constitutional, that would indeed be something.  Can that really be so?!  I'm then assuming that all the other bills so passed over the years would not be held legit (i.e. not constitutional) but they, being less shocking to the body politic, will merely go ignored.

 

Clarification, please?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:16 | 4155344 Czar of Defenes...
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If Mr. Sandefur is "lurking" here,I'd be grateful for his observations on remarks I've often heard about the "tax laws originate in the House" thing. 

 

It seems the technique used to pass the PPACA had been used many, MANY times before...that being: a bill may have been developed and passed in the Senate, but was then "wrapped"/inserted into the "shell" of a previously existing House bill, so that its origins technically technically technically [include echo effect to the degree of your choice] were in the House.  If this procedure is NOT constitutional, that would indeed be something.  Can that really be so?!  I'm then assuming that all the other bills so passed over the years would not be held legit (i.e. not constitutional) but they, being less shocking to the body politic, will merely go ignored.

 

Clarification, please?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:17 | 4155347 insanelysane
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It seems like only yesterday that the Libs were telling the Repubs that the law was the law and to get over it.

 

Oh?? It was only yesterday???

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:35 | 4155403 CoastalCowboy
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The law is whatever the Messiah says it is after The Wookie beats his ass.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 19:19 | 4155892 booboo
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Good point, when the left wing gets a law passed it's "settled law" when the people of a state band together and pass a voter initative on the ballot the left goes screaming to mentally retarded judge to over throw it, that is the Democrazy people crave, live with it. The Red team should just get the fuck out of the way and let the chips fall where they fall and let the Blue Team suck this pig up their ass, they had to have it, let them live with it.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:18 | 4155348 uncle_vito
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These changes are going to cost insurance companies millions.   Not easy to cancel policies, write new ones, then go back again.  I know this is supposed to happen all in Dec but what about those that switched early?

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:18 | 4155349 lasvegaspersona
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Explain again why we have a Congress....and why they keep calling me for money. They should impeach Obama or fold the tent and go back to honest labor.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:19 | 4155353 ArisAron
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This whole argument back and forth is amusing. All this shit is planned. This fuckwad's goal is to destroy this country. Only a matter of time.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:23 | 4155366 jomama
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oh ok, it's all planned, but you point the blame the puppet acting it out. 

ten four, buddy.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 23:44 | 4156663 Clowns on Acid
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jomama - the puppet is a good place to start....

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:22 | 4155361 viahj
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TYRANNY.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:31 | 4155742 lakecity55
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"I'm really good at killing people."

--BHO

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:25 | 4155378 g'kar
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Impeach. Who cares if the Senate won't convict. Expose this fraud with multiple single issue impeachments until he's gone or out of office.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:27 | 4155384 “Rebellion to t...
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Just what exactly did the NSA have on Supreme Court Justice Roberts?  My guess is he's a closet case.

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:34 | 4155400 machineh
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It wouldn't be Vichy DC without hacks in black like Roberts.

Sometimes you can hear the wheeze of the penis pump under his stained robe.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:43 | 4155433 Save_America1st
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yep...whatever it is, well it's something.  That's what I've been thinking as well.  One theory is that he broke some laws by adopting 2 children from Ireland???

http://www.t-room.us/2013/01/unraveling-the-mystery-behind-chief-justice-roberts-sudden-switch-to-rule-in-favor-of-obamacare/

not exactly the smoking gun I was thinking he had hidden in his "closet"...but maybe it would be something that would cost him his SCOTUS position??  But then again, wouldn't the Left want to burn him down and get him outta there before obama is done with his second term?

Just because they blackmailed him to get his vote on o-fuck-you-care, wouldn't they still stab him in the back later on down the road and take him out so that they could another nazi lesbian in his place??? lol

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:36 | 4155751 forwardho
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No. They own him now.

Once you give in to extortion, You are their Bitch.

In this case, for life.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:34 | 4155399 Goldilocks
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Narcissists Full documentary
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auwJAEuDBT4 (47:26)

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:36 | 4155408 harleyjohn45
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Obama just screwed all democrats running for office.  The republicians could have not done this good a job if they tried.  The democrats did it to themselves. Now they are running like roaches at 2 AM, claiming to fix the problem. 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:36 | 4155409 kchrisc
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Article 3, section 3.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 18:25 | 4155731 lakecity55
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"Clint Eastwood rides in Hang 'em High!!!"

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:36 | 4155411 NoTTD
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Bullish.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:40 | 4155426 Goldbugger
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The US is becoming the laughing stock to the world, One debacle after another.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:44 | 4155437 sbenard
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Obama's TYRANNYCARE is OUR CALMITYCARE!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:55 | 4155472 Goldilocks
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Welcome to the United State(s) of emergency...

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:46 | 4155441 jjsilver
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Who do you think Obamacare applies too? Where does Congress have the authority to legislate. why is it the thing that effects people the most, the law, they know the least about.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:46 | 4155442 ramacers
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there is a remedy for this. guess what.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:55 | 4155474 sbenard
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Bastiat must be rolling over in his grave. Cronyism, a breakdown in the rule of law, protection only for Emperor Obama's friends. THIS is what tyranny looks like!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:32 | 4156109 Bastiat
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I did a 360 in my chair.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 16:58 | 4155489 22winmag
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Lawlessness yes... but clearly Congress, the Supreme Court, and the Republican party are more irrelevant than ever!

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:00 | 4155490 conspicio
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"...the contents of the law—which members of Congress didn’t bother to read before they passed—gave away..."

 

NO NO NO NO. Not "members of Congress" NO NO NO.

Before I go all Candy Crowley in the Obama/Romney debate on your ass...Timothy...IT WAS DEMOCRATS, ASSHOLE. ONLY DEMOCRATS in a DEMOCRAT HOUSE AND SENATE MAJORITY. Fuck your "members of Congress" bullshit smear.

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:46 | 4155636 Mi Naem
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They didn't have to read the law - only those clauses that assured they weren't subject to this law. 

Repeal those clauses and see how patient they want us to be with this mess. 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:01 | 4155502 JR
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It’s obvious that Obama just wants to go beyond the 2014 elections and give the Democrats some cover. And when these “grandfathered “plans can’t be brought back, then the Establishment will put more blame on the insurance companies.

And the reason today was chosen day for the Obama announcement was to preempt tomorrow’s House vote on the Upton Obamacare bill.

The ramifications of this are many, all bad. One thing for sure that’s going to happen –  it’s going to drive up the other premiums as the healthy keep their old plans. And all the plans by the insurance companies to meet the requirements of O.care will be ripped asunder...

 In short, in about two or three days we’ll see a new group of lies and charges.

Here’s a glimpse of one the representatives we gave us Obamacare - Kay Hagan (D-NC):

A reversal of fortune for Dems after Obamacare | Dana Milbank

November 14, 2013

Two months ago, polls showed Democrat Kay Hagan leading prospective opponents by double digits in her quest for a second term representing North Carolina in the Senate.

So why is she so nervous?

Well, her problem begins with Obamacare, ends with Obamacare and has a whole lot of Obamacare in between.

Hagan hosted a conference call for reporters Tuesday morning to discuss the problems with the health care law's rollout, and the Q&A session was so painful that the senator should qualify for trauma coverage under the Affordable Care Act.

Fox News's Jim Angle asked what she thought about the reports showing that only 50,000 Americans had enrolled in the health care exchanges on HealthCare.gov.

"You know," she replied. "I know the — I believe this coming Friday, those numbers are going to be published and uh, you know, as soon as I see them, you know, obviously it's, it's m-much fewer than the administration expected."

A reporter from the Greensboro (N.C.) News & Record asked why Hagan, like President Obama, had told people that if they liked their health plans they'd be able to keep their health plans.

There was a long pause before Hagan responded, then a deep intake of breath. "You know, Doug," she responded, "the, um" — here she exhaled and paused again — "the way these, the — the regulations and the law, uh" — pause — "came forward recently, I think people were surprised that the, uh, the — the actual original plans would be, um, would be canceled."

Another North Carolina reporter asked Hagan what she is telling constituents whose premiums have doubled or whose plans have been canceled.

Deep inhalation. "Well, a lot of people, I, I am encouraging everybody to go on the site, uh, uh, I — look through it, find out what the benefits are," she began. She also said constituents could call her office, "and we will certainly, uh, do what we can to help those individuals and put them in contact, uh, with the right — with the right person."

News reports about the law in Hagan's home state have been brutal: businesses cutting workers' hours, 160,000 people receiving cancellation notices, hardly anybody signing up for the health care exchange.

Public Policy Polling, a Democratic firm, released a poll Tuesday showing that 69 percent of North Carolinians think the Obamacare rollout has been unsuccessful. Probably because of that, Hagan is now in a dead heat with would-be challengers. "Kay Hagan on the ropes," the conservative National Review exulted. …

Should Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius keep her job? "You know," Hagan replied, "I think what we need to do is we need to look at the, at the — what these contracts said, what these contracts, uh, will actually show and that's why I think getting the general, uh, um, the GAO to do this as well as the, uh, the HHS, so we can see these contracts and, you know, I think w — w — you know, once I've rec — once I'm able to look at this accountability, um, then I, you know, uh, then I'll be able to, uh, make a better determination."

Maybe somebody should call a doctor.

Dana Milbank is a Washington Post columnist. Email him at danamilbank@washpost.com.

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20131114/OPINION/311140307

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 20:02 | 4156008 Debt Slave
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Should Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius keep her job? "You know," Hagan replied,

Priceless. Another greasy rat in the system.

Still, people gasp at the thought of qualifying eligibility to vote with level of intelligence.

 

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:02 | 4155508 deerhunter
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I worked a number of years in the 80's fixing troubled restaurants for a chain that will remain nameless.  Powdered cocaine had become a bit of a scourge enjoyed by many in the "hospitality" industry and had a very negative effect on performance and bottom line results due to a number of situations you may well imagine.  Generally two or three employees were found out and eliminated and the model was fixed.  One location was so infested with drug usage and sales and various other blatant violations of corporate policy that the unit was closed for a month and reopened while training an entire new staff as if it was a newly built location.  I have a thought that maybe this is what our government needs.  Not a minor thing to imagine for sure but it is worth it.  How do you make a plan to rid our nation of the graft, corruption and moral decay that has run its tentacles into almost every aspect of our everyday lives.  This whole ACA might just wake up enough people to result in some serious changes.  Or,  bread and circuses and all we hear about is how one NFL lineman used bad words to "bully" another NFL lineman.  We have become a laughing stock and it is well deserved.  I find I must really decide what I allow myself to spend my brainpower on.  If nothing else,  the next five to ten years are going to be interesting at best and unimaginalbe at the worst.  Stay alert my friends.

Thu, 11/14/2013 - 17:23 | 4155574 Herd Redirectio...
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Exactly.  They look at the budget, and can't find anywhere to trim more than a couple million, at most.  Scrap the whole budget, and start new.  With the NECESSITIES.

Defense budget, cut by 60%+.

Dept of Education gone.

Dept of Energy gone.

Dept of Agriculture gone.

Bureau of Indian Affairs gone.

ATF, DEA, Dept of Commerce, Labor, State, Interior....

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