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The Internet Is Now Weaponized, And You Are The Target

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By now, thanks to Edward Snowden, it is common knowledge and not just conspiracy theory, that every bit of information sent out into the wired or wireless ether is scanned, probed, intercepted and ultimately recorded by the NSA and subsequently all such information is and can be used against any US citizen without a court of law (because the president's pet secret NISA "court" is anything but). Sadly, in a country in which courtesy of peak social networking, exhibitionism has become an art form, the vast majority of Americans not only could not care less about Snowden's sacrificial revelations, but in fact are delighted the at least someone, somewhere cares about that photo of last night's dinner. However, it turns out that far from being a passive listener and recorder, the NSA is quite an active participant in using the internet. The weaponized internet.

Because as Wired reports, "The internet backbone — the infrastructure of networks upon which internet traffic travels — went from being a passive infrastructure for communication to an active weapon for attacks." And the primary benefactor: the NSA - General Keith Alexander massive secret army - which has now been unleashed against enemies foreign, but mostly domestic.

Enter the QUANTUM program....

According to revelations about the QUANTUM program, the NSA can “shoot” (their words) an exploit at any target it desires as his or her traffic passes across the backbone. It appears that the NSA and GCHQ were the first to turn the internet backbone into a weapon; absent Snowdens of their own, other countries may do the same and then say, “It wasn’t us. And even if it was, you started it.”


If the NSA can hack Petrobras, the Russians can justify attacking Exxon/Mobil. If GCHQ can hack Belgacom to enable covert wiretaps, France can do the same to AT&T. If the Canadians target the Brazilian Ministry of Mines and Energy, the Chinese can target the U.S. Department of the Interior. We now live in a world where, if we are lucky, our attackers may be every country our traffic passes through except our own.


Which means the rest of us — and especially any company or individual whose operations are economically or politically significant — are now targets. All cleartext traffic is not just information being sent from sender to receiver, but is a possible attack vector.

... which is basically packet injection:

The QUANTUM codename is deliciously apt for a technique known as “packet injection,” which spoofs or forges packets to intercept them. The NSA’s wiretaps don’t even need to be silent; they just need to send a message that arrives at the target first. It works by examining requests and injecting a forged reply that appears to come from the real recipient so the victim acts on it.


The technology itself is actually pretty basic. And the same techniques that work on on a Wi-Fi network can work on a backbone wiretap. I personally coded up a packet-injector from scratch in a matter of hours five years ago, and it’s long been a staple of DefCon pranks.

Traditionally, packet injections has been used mostly for censorship purposes:

The most infamous use of packet injection prior to the Snowden leaks was censorship, where both internet service providers (ISPs) and the Great Firewall of China injected TCP reset packets (RST) to block undesired traffic. When a computer receives one of these injected RST packets, it closes the connection, believing that all communication is complete.


Although public disclosure forced ISPs to stop this behavior, China continues to censor with injected resets. It also injects the Domain Name System (DNS) — the system all computers use to turn names such as “” into IP addresses — by inserting a fake reply whenever it sees a forbidden name. (It’s a process that has caused collateral damage by censoring non-Chinese internet traffic).

And user identification, especially in making Tor obsolete. That's right: all users of Tor believing they hide behind the veil of anonymity - you aren't.

User cookies, those inserted by both advertising networks and services, also serve as great identifiers for NSA targeting. Yet a web browser only reveals these cookies when communicating with such sites. A solution lies in the NSA’s QUANTUMCOOKIE attack, which they’ve utilized to de-anonymize Tor users.


A packet injector can reveal these cookies by replying to an unnoticed web fetch (such as a small image) with a HTTP 302 redirect pointing to the target site (such as Hotmail). The browser now thinks “hey, should really go visit Hotmail and ask it for this image”. In connecting to Hotmail, it reveals all non-secure cookies to the wiretap. This both identifies the user to the wiretap, and also allows the wiretap to use these cookies.


So for any webmail service that doesn’t require HTTPS encryption, QUANTUMCOOKIE also allows the wiretap to log in as the target and read the target’s mail. QUANTUMCOOKIE could also tag users, as the same redirection that extracts a cookie could also set or modify a cookie, enabling the NSA to actively track users of interest as they move across the network — although there is no indication yet that the NSA utilizes this technique.

But all of the above are largely passive interception and surveillance strategies. Where it gets interesting is when the NSA's mission is...

User Attack


The NSA has a collection of FOXACID servers, designed to exploit visitors. Conceptually similar to Metasploit’s WebServer browser autopwn mode, these FOXACID servers probe any visiting browser for weaknesses to exploit.


All it takes is a single request from a victim passing a wiretap for exploitation to occur. Once the QUANTUM wiretap identifies the victim, it simply packet injects a 302 redirect to a FOXACID server. Now the victim’s browser starts talking to the FOXACID server, which quickly takes over the victim’s computer. The NSA calls this QUANTUMINSERT.


The NSA and GCHQ used this technique not only to target Tor users who read Inspire (reported to be an Al-Qaeda propaganda magazine in the English language) but also to gain a foothold within the Belgium telecommunication firm Belgacom, as a prelude to wiretapping Belgium phones.


One particular trick involved identifying the LinkedIn or Slashdot account of an intended target. Then when the QUANTUM system observed individuals visiting LinkedIn or Slashdot, it would examine the HTML returned to identify the user before shooting an exploit at the victim. Any page that identifies the users over HTTP would work equally well, as long as the NSA is willing to write a parser to extract user information from the contents of the page.


Other possible QUANTUM use cases include the following. These are speculative, as we have no evidence that the NSA, GCHQ, or others are utilizing these opportunities. Yet to security experts they are obvious extensions of the logic above.


HTTP cache poisoning. Web browsers often cache critical scripts, such as the ubiquitous Google Analytics script ‘ga.js’. The packet injector can see a request for one of these scripts and instead respond with a malicious version, which will now run on numerous web pages. Since such scripts rarely change, the victim will continue to use the attacker’s script until either the server changes the original script or the browser clears its cache.


Zero-Exploit Exploitation. The FinFly “remote monitoring” hacking tool sold to governments includes exploit-free exploitation, where it modifies software downloads and updates to contain a copy of the FinFisher Spyware. Although Gamma International’s tool operates as a full man-in-the-middle, packet injection can reproduce the effect. The injector simply waits for the victim to attempt a file download, and replies with a 302 redirect to a new server. This new server fetches the original file, modifies it, and passes it on to the victim. When the victim runs the executable, they are now exploited — without the need for any actual exploits.


Mobile Phone Applications. Numerous Android and iOS applications fetch data through simple HTTP. In particular, the “Vulna” Android advertisement library was an easy target,  simply waiting for a request from the library and responding with an attack that can effectively completely control the victim’s phone. Although Google removed applications using this particular library, other advertisement libraries and applications can present similar vulnerabilities.


DNS-Derived Man-in-the-Middle. Some attacks, such as intercepting HTTPS traffic with a forged certificate, require a full man in the middle rather than a simple eavesdropper. Since every communication starts with a DNS request, and it is only a rare DNS resolver that cryptographically validates the reply with DNSSEC, a packet injector can simply see the DNS request and inject its own reply. This represents a capability upgrade, turning a man-on-the-side into a man-in-the-middle.


One possible use is to intercept HTTPS connections if the attacker has a certificate that the victim will accept, by simply redirecting the victim to the attacker’s server. Now the attacker’s server can complete the HTTPS connection. Another potential use involves intercepting and modifying email. The attacker simply packet-injects replies for the MX (Mailserver) entries corresponding to the target’s email. Now the target’s email will first pass through the attacker’s email server. This server could do more than just read the target’s incoming mail, it could also modify it to contain exploits.


Amplifying Reach. Large countries don’t need to worry about seeing an individual victim: odds are that a victim’s traffic will pass one wiretap in a short period of time. But smaller countries that wish to utilize the QUANTUMINSERT technique need to force victims traffic past their wiretaps. It’s simply a matter of buying the traffic: Simply ensure that local companies (such as the national airline) both advertise heavily and utilize in-country servers for hosting their ads. Then when a desired target views the advertisement, use packet injection to redirect them to the exploit server; just observe which IP a potential victim arrived from before deciding whether to attack. It’s like a watering hole attack where the attacker doesn’t need to corrupt the watering hole.

Can anything be done to prevent the NSA's internet army from running over a world that spends the bulk of its time in its reaches? Not much:

The only self defense from all of the above is universal encryption. Universal encryption is difficult and expensive, but unfortunately necessary. Encryption doesn’t just keep our traffic safe from eavesdroppers, it protects us from attack. DNSSEC validation protects DNS from tampering, while SSL armors both email and web traffic.


There are many engineering and logistic difficulties involved in encrypting all traffic on the internet, but its one we must overcome if we are to defend ourselves from the entities that have weaponized the backbone.

Alas, in the battle against the NSA, the biggest enemy is not the authoritarian state's Super Big Brother, but apathy itself. It is that war that is by far the most important one, and which America has already lost.


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Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:23 | 4159935 VD
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until the NSA is itself targeted and taken offline, the gov will subvert and pervert all basic rights.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:47 | 4159959 wee-weed up
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(Disclosure... I hate Bush.)

If Bush had done this...

The Libs and their MSM...

Would be screaming bloody murder!

But, since it's The OBlameBush in charge...

Nothing... just the sound of crickets...

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:53 | 4159969 knukles
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Oh ye naysayers....
Long ago, ripped by "those who so knew well" that they were safe behind TOR and strong encryption
Again..... And perhaps for the very last time

If it's linked to electronic medium in any way, they own it


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:08 | 4159996 El Oregonian
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Hello Moto...

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:35 | 4160019 hedgeless_horseman
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“You have zero privacy anyway. Get over it,” 
said Sun Microsystems' CEO, Scott McNealy, in 1999.


Well... least someone, somewhere cares about that photo of last night's dinner.

A toast to Tyler Durden, Ed Sowden, and all you others out there that wish for freedom, privacy, and peace.  



Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:37 | 4160037 q99x2
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Pass the ketchup.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:45 | 4160053 john39
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Clean food? Obviously a terrorist. Nothing a few vaccinations, some gmo's and some chemtrails can't handle.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:30 | 4160096 indio007
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Wait till you have to start paying extra for those fine ingredients.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 07:51 | 4160253 GetZeeGold
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If Bush had done this...

The Libs and their MSM...

Would be screaming bloody murder!



Why can't you see we know what's best for you?

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 09:31 | 4160305 johnQpublic
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fuck it , cut the cord


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 12:59 | 4160539 fonestar
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I think it should be pretty basic knowledge for TOR users that you should not have javascript and cookies enabled.

Honeypots, traffic and timing analysis are a different matter.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 10:17 | 4160345 Ying-Yang
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Thanks for the information... depressing as it is.

Read up on Amazon. Their Amazon Web Services, AWS, is 5x larger than the next 14 largest web services companies. That is huge.

Take note of some of their clients using AWS:

Linked in





CIA, yes the CIA

US Postal Service

The Amazon store is AWS biggest customer. Amazon is a tremendous honeypot for data.

Time for whitehats to counter.


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 11:58 | 4160468 walküre
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Noteably ACA is not using AWS

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 19:51 | 4161311 Keyser
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Doesn't matter if you're a white hat or black hat. I depends on who you work for when it comes to prosecution. 

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:31 | 4160097 CvlDobd
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One of the few that is allowed to post pics and we constantly have to look at what you ate for dinner last night? What the fuck is this place? Facebook? Any baby pictures you want to share?

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 02:12 | 4160134 michael_engineer
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Suppress this  ?

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 02:51 | 4160158 prains
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dude, you need to just relax and eat your wifes chicken pot pie once in awhile, it'll do you both a wonder of good

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:15 | 4160560 CvlDobd
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I thought I signed up for fight club, not the food network. My mistake.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 15:10 | 4160740 Terminus C
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You seem to be forgetting that there is a war over what you eat and it is more central to your life that any financial shenanigans.  HH is fighting back... thus why his dinner is on fight club.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 15:41 | 4160784 MsCreant
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Sedation or Sedition? That is where the food issue is. 

Food Fight Club, Bitchez.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 19:53 | 4161315 Keyser
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No secret on posting pics, you just need to know how, as in inline html tags... 

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 20:20 | 4161378 CvlDobd
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I'm not forgetting the food issue, I just give nary a fuck about what anyone on ZeroHedge had for dinner last night.


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 19:12 | 4161232 jerry_theking_lawler
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you did...and you are thoroughly getting 'beat up' with down arrows for running your the real world, you would be in a shallow grave by now.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 03:08 | 4160160 Tasty Sandwich
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Sat, 11/16/2013 - 07:49 | 4160255 Running On Bing...
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Where's Pure Evil and his cock pics? I'm sure you'll like those.


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 10:06 | 4160331 VD
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agreed CvlDobd: he would be better off on Facebook! but unfortunatly he won't heed the comments...he even posts his personal abatoir slaughter pics -- a real self-entitled piece of work.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 10:14 | 4160341 shovelhead
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Sounds like someone needs some bacon.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 12:06 | 4160473 prains
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unfortunately for you VD i'm positive there's not a women in the world offering you her chicken pot pie and if by some miracle there is, you'll need to do a chromosone test on her ASAP

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:24 | 4160571 DaveyJones
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This isn't about dinner.

Think it through

He grows a lot of what he snaps and shares.

Many wise people on this site have come to conclude that food production can not (nd will not) be seperated from the economic, corporate, government, and criminal issues we discuss. Don't believe me, check out Monsanto execs and the FDA. Peak oil and local economies are another growing and overwhelming factor.   

This site is about education and more important about the SYNTHESIS of many disciplines to understand what's happening for our survival

health is an economic princpile

don't believe me, look at the news

This site has also evolved (whether intended or not) to a very odd type of support network. Not too surprising given the incredible pressures and crimes being heaved upon the common man in an incredibly unique chapter in human hisotry.

Try a wider horizon.    

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 15:47 | 4160794 MsCreant
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Excellent comment Davey Darling. Very level of you. Folks that don't know, don't know, and really can't help it until someone tells em'. Many of us come to the party here at fight club with bits and pieces of the puzzle regarding just how thorough our subjugation is. They know it is bad, but they don't know it is this bad. 

I remember the day I learned about the relationship between the Fed and the Treasury. Some folks were like, "This is news to you?" And it really was. And my mind was blown. And everything changed. 

People need to look at their food before any thing else (except maybe their water in some cases).

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 01:22 | 4161878 DaveyJones
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thanks MsC. Good to know you're growin

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:37 | 4162817 Infnordz
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I think a lot of people new to ZH may be ignorant of the shocking scale of rampant corporatism, and that extra government regulation and other interferrence has irronically caused more corruption, because it caused reputation to no longer matter.

I think you will find that clean water is even more critical than clean food, especially where Flourine compounds are (criminally) added, or it still contains Pharmacutical drug residues; even relatively good quality Chlorinated, mains water should probably be filtered before use, so I recently got a Big Berkey gravity filter for routine use, and to filter unprocessed water, without the need for sterilising chemicals, if required.  I've used Brita filters, and looked at ZeroWater, but they are inadequate or more costly to run plastic consumer toys; I also looked at undersink filters, but they need plenty of pressure to work, are quite bulky, and can harmfully demineralise water.

Just watch the chaos if the mains water pressure plummets long enough for roof tanks to empty, and all the bottled water sells out; it won't matter if you have clean food if you can't get enough clean water too.  This could easily happen if there is a big enough water leak, or some other stoppage occurs.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 14:48 | 4166035 cougar_w
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"They know it is bad, but they don't know it is this bad."

It's rather worse than that. Most people have already been stripped of the critical thinking skills required to know how important it is to possess critical thinking skills. From that point of deep cognitive scarring there is no possible recovery. But you would need to be really sharp to even know that.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 12:33 | 4160510 Diogenes
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Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:18 | 4160565 j0nx
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I agree. It annoys the piss out of me when people post photos of the dinner they are about to eat.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:34 | 4160590 GoinFawr
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Still, you have to admit it's better than posting pics of meals they've already eaten.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 18:55 | 4161189 LongBallsShortBrains
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You didn't build that......

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 14:05 | 4160634 yofish
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Can't have the riff-raff with all the toys, mate. Heedless Horseman most certainly pees, but for quite different reasons.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 14:11 | 4160640 yofish
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Oh-oh, here come the pics of white wabbits hanging in a horse barn somewhere in Kentucky.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 17:09 | 4160970 11b40
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Actually, H_H contributes far more than just photos.  He also contributes far more than you.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:31 | 4160098 A Nanny Moose
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HH. FWIW, my goal is to create value worthy of exchange with the likes of you.

This past summer, I was able to produce nectarines from nectarine pits that came from nectarines purchased at the Farmers' Market. My tomatoes now spring up like weeds...from seed. Rosmary bushest are 3 Feet tall. It is a work in progress.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 15:51 | 4160801 MsCreant
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Psst-- me too. Peaches, apples, berry bushes, figs, paw-pawa, spices, every kind of mint you can imagine. I have waaay too much rosemary!

One straw revolution..hope you have heard of it. I am working towards it.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 20:49 | 4161449 LongBallsShortBrains
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Apples from seed?

I hope you plan on grafting.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 02:17 | 4160138 thisandthat
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Smells delicious - just saying!...

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:05 | 4160550 ebworthen
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An "N.S.A. sucks just as bad as Al Queda pressure cooker chicken belly bomb meal of a backpack Super Bowl new Rome proportions repaste of pressurized Champagne" toast to you!

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:14 | 4159997 GoinFawr
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Read it again

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:38 | 4160041 seek
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That's what they want you to believe.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 03:11 | 4160166 ISEEIT
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I despise the ignorant perversity of truth worshiped by the political left. That being said though, they (some) do pay lip service to the rape of our Liberty. Like the proverbial chick in the mini and no panties being groped at the bar, they do have the 'virtue' of acting as if they don't like it.

Leftist delusions cannot be made sustainably manifest absent absolute denial of individual free will.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 06:49 | 4160232 Acet
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You, my friend, are part of the problem.

You fell hook, sink and line for the divide and conquer techniques that the totalitarians use to keep the riff-raff divided and powerless.

If you think government surveilance and the police state has anything to do with left wing or right wing, then you're a fool.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 10:15 | 4160342 aint no fortuna...
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You nailed it Acet - they want us fighting each other over insignificant ideological bullshit or drooling on ourselves in the barcalounger, anything so we don't look at who the REAL enemy is. And we fall for it every time. We're fucking toast.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 11:08 | 4160400 TheReplacement
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Speaking to the political spectrum, the left is the problem here.  More right = less gov.  More left = more gov.  Total gov control and manipulation is 100% a creature of the left.  The entire left concept IS the enemy.

The people who are leftists, powerless, and upset by this are the useful idiots.  They pushed for, enabled, and supported more gov to the point where gov became what it is today.  The right is to blame for letting it happen (passivity).  Regardless, the left cannot be part of the solution.  By definition any solution that includes the left will eventually bring us back to this point again someday and we'll have to go through this all over.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 12:12 | 4160480 atm0sphere
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did you just not read the above thread?


why is it so hard for you to understand it is BOTH left AND right that are part of the problem?! the right is not guilty due to being passive.. you gotta be kidding me. look at how big .gov expanded under the Bush dynasty.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 14:45 | 4160685 FreedomGuy
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Ahhh, well labels are tricky. I would argue Bush was not right wing in the sense of proper conservative or libertarian. He and many others in the Republican party are actually Democrat-light or leftist-light. They do believe in government, just better run than the Democrats. So, if you equate "right" with Republican what you say makes some sense.  The problem is there are roughly three parties in America. Democrats (including all the socialist parties) who are heavy Leftist, old guard Republicans (RINO's) who are light-Leftist (Romney et al) and Libertarian including some parts of the Republican party who are the right.

I am one of those evil radical right types who want McCain, Romney, Christie and a host of others to leave the Republican party and become the right wing of the leftist Democrat party. They are actually conservative Democrats. They agree far more with the Left than the Right and in a pinch they would be useful for compromises to the right if a real conservative-libertarian were President.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 19:01 | 4161208 robobbob
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there is a historical Right and Left as political philosophy.

and then then is the corporate owned Team Right and Team Left marketed to the masses like Pro wrestling matches or laundry detergent.

the falseness of the one does not delegitimize the other. the problem is that the lines between them have been intentionally blurred making discussion difficult. a real tower of babel they're creating.


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 14:37 | 4160672 FreedomGuy
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If right wing and left wing stand for different things it has everything to do with it, moron. If your left wing ideology worships and supports an all powerful state you will get the things you see in this article. It is inevitable. If right wing (meaning libertarian or even proper anarchist) means limited to no government, coersion and the supremacy of individual rights then you oppose, resist and even punish these types of things.

What you believe makes all the difference in the world. The police state counts on useful idiots who worship at the alter of government and believe directly or more commonly indirectly in the necessity of rules and rulers.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 10:59 | 4160385 TheReplacement
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But this did start under Bush.  He did do it.  Oblama has expanded it in breadth and depth.  They are both to blame.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 15:58 | 4160816 roadhazard
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You will not get many up votes for that statement. You probably Will get the red/blue speech reserved only for non right speaking wingers.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 11:00 | 4160387 1100-TACTICAL-12
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Those not on the list are my enemy's.....

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:54 | 4159973 Jim in MN
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No where worth running to, nowhere to hide.

Time to stand up.

USA out of Eurasia--close all bases

End the Fed--normalize interest rates

Raid and jail Goldman and JPM execs--first thing Monday


NSA patriots: document unlawful and unconstitutional orders.  Your superiors are criminals.  You know what to do.  Snowdenize the shitheads. 

In 'Nam it got to fragging.  Does it need to go that far in the NSA?  Sleep tight little monsters.  Sleep tight.......



Sat, 11/16/2013 - 09:26 | 4160300 Svendblaaskaeg
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"..NSA patriots: document unlawful and unconstitutional orders.."

 Will the next Edward Snowden please stand up?

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 09:56 | 4160322 CPL
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Their time remaining time is without much luck. 

Soon to be they'll be rightly fucked.

By their theft they will find,

A giant deadly abscess on their behinds!

They'll beg and cry to hope for mercy,

and only find the Green man smirking.

He is here to clear the way,

For the rightful heir to night and day.

<jazz hands>

ho ho ho!

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 11:12 | 4160405 TheReplacement
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How about denying the debt, run up in the name of the people of course?  They have been run up to enrich the few and bury the rest of us despite the claim to be in our name.  As such they were not created for the public good and therefore are not valid.  Let the big banks (boards, employees, and shareholders) be the ones who are personally on the hook to pay back the $17T and no, bankrupcy is not an option.  Let THEM be the debt slaves.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:08 | 4159990 old naughty
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No one is safe...

You have it; I have it. Used to be nuclear armaments...Now it's hacking (such as hack-you-2-death).

Taser-gunning via internet to your keyboard and cellphone.

Nano-size-virus delivered across air from display to your pupil.

And, particle beam coming out of display hooked you for transport thru stargate to alien planets...


"Beam Me Up, Scotty"


You know what, it happened before. It did not end then...It won;t end ever. Eternal fight.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 08:53 | 4160281 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Sat, 11/16/2013 - 10:31 | 4160356 old naughty
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Good one.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:13 | 4160055 Yen Cross
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   VD, you're a Raddish dressed in Frog,  {le vin de beurre}

  Bring back Francis Sawyer~~~

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:02 | 4160066 Yen Cross
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    VD, ?   VD? VD? VD?    I thought that you had some insight?

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:52 | 4160120 Yen Cross
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   VD , why is it you can be the "voice of reason" one day?

   Then you become the village idiot, the next! Who FUCKING cares who eats meat?

    You're fairly intelligent. You don't understand "overlays" and real time trading.

 You have trouble multi-tasking multiple crosses, and the  (cross) RR.

 If I chose to trade options in the equity markets. (lack of liquidity/  fubarr

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 08:02 | 4160260 Cistercian
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Well...isn't that special.
We should be rioting in the streets and burning .gov buildings down.


Yes I am pissed.We should all be.

Bill of Rights FAIL, Epic.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 09:27 | 4160302 doctor10
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The "best thing" about all this is that it renders capital worthless-anywhere. Which means the serfs can't be productive anymore.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 10:41 | 4160367 fleur de lis
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It just goes to prove who the NSA really works for. And it ain't us.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:05 | 4160549 dtwn
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Defund the Utah National Datacenter.  Cut the electricity to it.  Cut off fuel supplies to run the generators.  Those processors  and servers are just expensive paperweights without electrons.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:34 | 4160583 Borrow Owl
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Cut off the water supply and let it burn up on its own.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 15:00 | 4160715 TheGardener
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My sincere condolences Tyler for finding out and mourning about the back bone.

RIP internets.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 21:11 | 4161497 aVileRat
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Best thing any executive can do in this age is learn to code or know what your digital foot print is. A carbon footprint is trivial when the data for your employees meal ticket and your 5 years of work is at risk and you KNOW it is not secure.  Sodder closed the wireless contacts/ports on the work computer and air-seal the core network.The first time you see your project on a Brazilian net-drive translated into Mandarin is a gut punch.

Also, there is a famous quote John Browne's mother once told him: Everything taken to to the Camps just made it easier for the Nazi's to steal. Everything in your head is forever. Teaching your employees to actually map, draft, math and keep things in paper or their own memory encourages their personal confidence and seperates the A-team from the number punchers.

Does this mean fuck the system?  hell no. CAD/CAT, systems design and the e-platforms (like CMX/BATS) is here for the count, but knowing what is on the computer, and what you do not want on the computers will become equally as important soon. When the expropriations start, as they are starting in Greece and Latin America (similar to the 1980's Argentinian crisis), this is going to be what keeps you, and your team going be they traders or part casting machinists.



Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:26 | 4159938 max2205
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Gi go

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:38 | 4159946 Yen Cross
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Sat, 11/16/2013 - 14:39 | 4160677 yofish
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Modify hosts file, clear cache & cookies on exit, browse w/Duck-Duck Go. Better yet, throw all electronic communication devices in the trash, stick to twisted pair and writing letters. Air-miles card to pay the bills and cash everywhere else you can. The only thing I've learned on this site that I didn't already know or surmise, is there is a whole lot of strange people out there that use the word 'bitchez' to mean 100 different things to a mindless clique. 

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:34 | 4159947 NIHILIST CIPHER

Well if this is true..... all of us here at ZH have been tried, convicted and await our execution.  HAHAHA     Cause we have said it all !     FU NSA trolls if you are on here.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:39 | 4159952 JustObserving
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Apparently, NSA started with Compassionate Fascist and Francis Sawyer - never heard from them again.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:35 | 4160101 A Nanny Moose
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IF it was beyond the realm of possibilities, it might be funny.

"All I know is that sometimes you have to be wary of a miracle too good to be true,
All I know is that sometimes the truth is contrary everything in life you thought you knew
All I know is that sometimes you have to be wary, 'cause sometimes the target is you" - Neal Peart.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 11:15 | 4160412 TheReplacement
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Sawyer deserved it.  The terms say you can't do what he did.  "Jew this, Jew that"...  What a douche.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:23 | 4160568 putaipan
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jesuit this. jesuit that.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 03:24 | 4160171 ISEEIT
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Ah sh^t, don't remind me. I self medicated some medical a few weeks ago. Had quite the conversation with myself. At the point where I began to suspect that the weed had been planted to open my perceptions to 'they' coming to deal specifically with 'me'...Something else kept 'me' safe. I clung to 'it' like a man dying. One of those rare proud/grateful experiences.

Next time I 'find' some weed?

F know !

Now the million $$$ babe that just showed up to live with me? She came loaded with medical too. I told her straight up; "nah, makes my brain go haywire".

HER brain is haywired. DMT megadose at a party. Poor angel is pretty f'ed up. I'm trying to love her though (selfishly, cause that's all I REALLY know).

But I'm getting help.

Maybe it'll work out?

Maybe it won't.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 08:29 | 4160272 Leonardo Fibonacci2
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NIHILIST CIPHER don't be surprised if a few of us start having accidental deaths!!!

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 10:46 | 4160371 SubjectivObject
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Accidental encounters with the Kopps and Kang Kourts that drain time and resources.

Accidental notice of funds gone missing.

Accidental rejections of credit.  (happy accident !??)

Accidentlal use of credit [albeit not by you or yours].

Accidental personal data gone missing.

Accidental notices from the IRS.

Accidental identity theft.  [ ... insert all manner of bad things here ]

Accidental revelations to Management (both domestic and gainful) about your nefarious [albeit false] past.

Accidental offense taken by others who know you because of communications/actions you [albeit didn't] send/do.

[and the worst of the worst]  Accidental slowing of your internet connection to only useless ness and frustration.

Deth bya thouzand acid dents.


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 16:09 | 4160830 NIHILIST CIPHER

I vote that MDB goes first. Who knows Leonardo you may be top of the NSA list.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:36 | 4159949 Running On Bing...
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Yea, all of the above. Who gives a shit anyway. You've all been duped, paying $75/mo for Internet and $75/mo for cell service, and you bought into the biggest party line known to mankind.

I guess the shock is about the deception to most but if you always knew about the deception there is just residual disgust.


For the kids:

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:47 | 4159962 Seasmoke
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 I pay $149 for combined internet and cell phone service. So I have that going for me. 

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:02 | 4159983 NIHILIST CIPHER

seasmoke            I pay $52.00 a month for AT&T telephone and high speed internet....yes that is the God's honest truth. Got rid of cable over four years ago and NEVER missed it. We have a Logitech Review that we watch netflix and all other tv over the internet. Phone is stripped down to the bone so not to pay all of those extra gubbermint fees and taxes. COULD NOT BE HAPPIER.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:40 | 4160105 JacktheTab
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We got a case of seasmoke delivered yesterday--that shit is the kronic.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 03:30 | 4160175 thisandthat
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that's crazy expensive - 45 € for net/catv/phone/cell, here

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 07:29 | 4160244 Its_the_economy...
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+1 for the Caddyshack reference

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:39 | 4159954 Atomizer
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The weapon has been going on for years, if not decades. they don't like the limelight.

Guess who wins the battle? The one who developed the internet tools people use today!

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:43 | 4160047 NIHILIST CIPHER

The Internet Is Now Weaponized, And You Are The Target......................................................................                                                                                                                                                                                                         WE have a more powerful weapon, the written word and THEY are the target. From what I've seen lately with ACA etc. our weapon lands a mighty blow.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:41 | 4159956 Decolat
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So is it time to escape to the wilderness, like the faithful used to during hopeless oppression like this? And wait for the right time to return? Sounds better to me than waiting for a pointless uprising or some hero to come save us.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:21 | 4160013 Cdad
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It almost certainly collapses from Jim of MN suggests.  There will be many on the inside who won't play along.  There is also the government inefficiency issues.  Who is not just laughing at this Obamacare thing?

There is also the fact that revelations of mass spying will have an economic in people will change their behaviors.  It will hit Google, ATT, Microsoft, etc.

And of favorite...toss on top a little Revolution of the Closed Wallet.  You can start right Christmas.  And beyond...refusing to send your money into this bullshit, propped up, poisoned economy.

No shots fired required.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:26 | 4160573 BigJim
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 There will be many on the inside who won't play along.

You wish. How many people on the inside of the Nazi government didn't 'play along'?

Or are US .gov employees so much more ethically aware than their Geman counterparts 75 years ago?

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 15:15 | 4160749 TheGardener
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Great post, asking for copying "No shots fired required."

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:23 | 4159957 Yen Cross
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 I can tell you? yes you... With 100% clarity, where Zero Hedges servers reside.    < Would I?  Absolutely NOT!

 Possibly on Sunday during the F/X stop hunt.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 03:17 | 4160170 Kirk2NCC1701
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Uh, Simon Black's farm in Chile?
Sofia? St. Gallen?

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 03:54 | 4160183 thisandthat
Sat, 11/16/2013 - 03:36 | 4160178 thisandthat
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You mean you can do a traceroute - crazy 1337 hax0r shit right there d00d

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 03:37 | 4160180 ISEEIT
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If you can't consider ZH to be a possible, even likely 'honeypot' you're dumb enough to deserve the end.

I'm going with it though. If 'it' is this good, I do have a back-up plan.

ALWAYS have a back-up plan.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:46 | 4159961 e2thex
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It has been said:

If it's free, you are the prouduct.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:48 | 4160043 GoinFawr
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"I live in an apartment on the ninety-ninth floor of my block
And I sit at home looking out the window imagining the world has stopped
Then in flies a guy who's all dressed up like a Union Jack
And says, I've won five pounds if I have his kind of detergent pack

I said, Hey! You! Get off of my cloud! Hey! You! Get off of my cloud!
Hey! You! Get off of my cloud!
Don't hang around 'cause two's a crowd n my cloud, baby!"


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 02:10 | 4160132 Yen Cross
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 I live in a 50 hectare hut.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:51 | 4159966 Cabreado
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"Alas, in the battle against the NSA, the biggest enemy is not the authoritarian state's Super Big Brother, but apathy itself. It is that war that is by far the most important one, and which America has already lost."

And that war is fed by articles such as this, that is... score one for the defeatist, in its refusal to acknowledge points of control.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:53 | 4159971 A Lunatic
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"A monitored human being is not a free one."   -Jakob Augstein-

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:29 | 4160026 GoinFawr
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"He felt as though he were wandering in the forests of the sea bottom, lost in a monstrous world where he himself was the monster."

-Eric Blair-

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:37 | 4160039 Yen Cross
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   You should Imbibe with MOAR frequency GoinFawr ?

   You're Missed

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:10 | 4160544 GoinFawr
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Heh, how kind of you to say.  I'm never sure which YC I'm typing to with you, but I try; I try.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:57 | 4159975 Jim in MN
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Here's a laugher from Japan:


All 6 top banks admit to direct loans to gangsters


Gee, where's the surveillance now?  Derrrrrrrrrrrr

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 02:55 | 4160161 prains
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the problem being, in order to make the appearance of cleaning up the graft, a lot of innocents have to die, only to change nothing


rinse and repeat

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 11:32 | 4160441 Papasmurf
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It's just a loan between family members.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:58 | 4159977 Running On Bing...
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Funny story about The Matrix pic. A few months ago I was getting crossed by a defense attorney, 30 something, fast talker.
He asks "When Mr. R jumped over the fence, turned and fired at you, did you see where the bullet went?".

I was like WTF, are you serious. I went into details, the miniscule size of a 9m bullet and given a standard load of 115gr and an approx velocity of 1,300 ft/s do you really think I would 'see' where the bullet went?

But that's the world that we live in, grotesquely distorted by our friends in Hollyweird. Then everything else follows, finance, politics, food, energy.

Want to get things straight? Start in Hollyweird.


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:04 | 4159985 Jim in MN
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Most people also think that when you run off a cliff there is a straight, level segment before you fall. 

Beep beep

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:27 | 4160020 Running On Bing...
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And then the 100 lb. anvil hits you in the head.

It'll never change in my lifetime, unless of course we have a brutal well deserved reset.


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:51 | 4160058 monad
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Morpheus isn't coming to tell you what to do.

Hollyweird DYOH

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:22 | 4160084 monad
Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:45 | 4160112 Element
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Small correction, he puked to death in Sept 1970, great link though.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 12:10 | 4160481 monad
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My point was to balance the culture portrayed in Mondo Hollywood with the voice of the counterculture of that period, each speaking for themselves, no revisionist Oliver Stone haka. If you're interested, Jimi Hendrix The Uncut Story is a decent video biography. That concert was in 1970 & the movie JH produced around it was released in 1971. Last I checked Rhino owns it and produced it to VHS & DVD from the original. Better quality that yt but man, did their sound equipment suck. But this isn't significant. Tip of the iceberg.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 19:39 | 4161276 Element
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Yeah, sound was crappy, but the adhoc noise and attitude had me smiling all the way and the moonbat hippy at the end was a hoot. Listen to Hendrix a lot when a teen, got the re-mastered stuff now.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 22:16 | 4161373 monad
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That was then, this is now

and this

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 17:46 | 4161056 11b40
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Yep, but he was smokin hot in July of 70 at the Atlanta Pop Festival in Byron, GA.  The Star Spangled Banner was A-mazing.  So was the micro dot.....many moons ago.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:02 | 4159984 Critical Path
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Summon The NSA:

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:17 | 4159999 monad
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Anything that can be done is being done as soon as possible. These gorillas can't do any of this without workers, which is why all the immigrants: because we the able refused to do this. So they advertise to the c grade CEOs that the A students aren't competent, and show them b students - Krugman, Kakio - to make their case. C students just nod... outnumbered, the A students who are the only hope of all mankind withdraw their Galt and are defined as terrorists. The B students cream with the bank that omes with the responsibility the A students carrried, just look at them. All the C students continue to nod... and more F students are brought in because they don't fucking get it.

Glad you all woke up. There is work to be done. Do not wait for approval. JFDI. 

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 11:07 | 4160395 mofreedom
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Common Core must die!

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:15 | 4160001 Yen Cross
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  Kampo doesn't work that way  @

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 22:57 | 4159975 Jim in MN
Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:14 | 4160082 Jim in MN
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"If you like what you have, you can keep it."  --some dork

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:28 | 4160094 Yen Cross
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 I wasn't picking on ya Jim. 






      I fell down the shitter Jim?  Damn it' smells like a "sewer squid" down here! I'll take one for the team!

   I'll do it for the Stolper!!!!

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 14:05 | 4160633 Jim in MN
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Don't worry YC, I am a fanboy of yours.


I especially enjoy it when you get wasted and 'do' the FX markets.  And your exchanges with DoChenRollingBearing are often priceless as well.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:16 | 4160002 Aquarius
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Some Sage advice to all:


"And, what's needed is for you,

to learn all things:

both the unshaken heart of pervasive Truth,


the opinions of mortals,

in which there's nothing that can truthfully be trusted at all.

But even so, this too you will learn -

how beliefs based on appearance

ought to be believable

as they travel all through all there is.



Penetration of the core of wisdom arrives here: Yet there is one other:

In Principle, that is, the Tetrad.

Ho hum

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:20 | 4160012 kurt
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The title doesn't quite get supported by the info.. Wouldn't it be creepy if they were, say, working on satellite, drone, or wifi and/or home electronic directed energy attacks. That would be creepy because the NSA could then directly attack a user based on their behavior and penchants. They could use the internet to localize the individual, say, by linking to your cell phone. It surely is a coincidence that Google Plus now asks for your cell phone. That's crazy because it would be lazy to get the info in that way without working for it. 

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 02:20 | 4160137 Cthonic
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 "That would be creepy", yes it is, and was.  You don't need to fry someone (wattage) to fry someone (neurological disruption).


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 02:32 | 4160148 kurt
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Come on. Next your gonna say flouride is a neurotoxin not only in our water but in 9 out of 10 antidepressants. Doesn't that mean that depressed people have less cavities?

Hey, try this: take a large stainless bowl, like a restaurant uses to make salad. Hold the empty opening toward your microwave while it pops some popcorn.

Guess what! It will kill your microwave. I know that's crazy 'cuz they're not supposed to leak. Next thing you know some conspiratroll is going to say the govmint is trying to kill us and stuff. 

Nope that's just crazy talk.

Conspiratroll (new word seen here first)

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:11 | 4162382 the tower
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Have you tried it yourself? Nope. Cause it's urban legend.

Anyway, radio waves (microwaves are radio waves too) are all around us - phones, wifi, ovens, satellites, radios etc and have been for many decades. They are fine.

Fluoride is harmless in low quantities, also over time.

Come on guys, get a life. You're gonna die anway, just enjoy the ride.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:25 | 4160015 xray vision
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What's the difference between ignorance and apathy?

I don't know and I don't care.


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:31 | 4160025 Jack Burton
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They are doing this with our tax money, paying themselves huge wages and benefits, no doubt getting NSA jobs for family and friends, basically earning great livings off of the tax payer. They take our money and treat each one of us as suspect, get the irony, we pay their wages and in return they make us ALL suspects and answerable in our every deed and thought to THEM. This is all so fucking sick that Orwell couldn't have dreamed it up, and Stalin is spinning in his grave with envy!.

This is no shit, I remember some 5-6 years ago having a big internet descussion board argument when I claimed the government was traching every key stroke we citizens make, I was called lots of names, none of them good. Now we see, that every key stroke goes straight to the NSA and not only that, is saved forever on their mass data storage. So they can drag it out 10 years from now if they want.

All this was done under Bush, and it was doubled down on by Obama. See the difference? The two party difference? We Americans, if we don't like government's actions, have only to vote in the other party to clean it all up. What fucking rubbish! The liar media whores are playing the par tof cover story for the NSA. Media never broke this story, they kept it under wraps if they did know anything, because media/NSA/Corporate America/the political parties/the military ALL communicate, cooperate and treat the American people as an alien enemy inside our own country. THEY are here to serve themselves and make a living with money, security, good health plans, early retirements and patronage for family and friends seeking government security jobs. They are all in it together. It is a giant club of the military industrial spy complex, and we Americans, who pay the taxes, are NOT members, in fact we are all suspect. Our nation has been stolen and we are not getting it back.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 05:23 | 4160209 The Abstraction...
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I bet the argument proceeded thus:


Jack: the government was tracking every key stroke

Scum: there is no evidence for that.

Jack: here is my evidence...


5 hours later


Jack: QED

Scum: So what?

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 11:12 | 4160406 mofreedom
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Problem:  a lot of third parties are being infiltraded by the leftists in order to get the main leftist elected.  Some would even say the repuds have been infiltrated by leftist, socialist communist hacks.  Just stick to the constitution and all is fine.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 12:34 | 4160511 Zadig
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The existence of the constitution doesn't prevent the puppets from violating it.  

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 12:28 | 4160499 Zadig
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"Media never broke this story, they kept it under wraps if they did know anything, because media/NSA/Corporate America/the political parties/the military ALL communicate, cooperate and treat the American people as an alien enemy inside our own country.  THEY are here to serve themselves and make a living with money, security, good health plans, early retirements and patronage for family and friends seeking government security jobs. They are all in it together. It is a giant club of the military industrial spy complex, and we Americans, who pay the taxes, are NOT members, in fact we are all suspect"

+1 and quoting the most important bit for anyone too lazy to read the whole thing.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 00:35 | 4160036 seek
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There keeps being this thread in the story lines from MSM (and Wired is MSM) that all is broken, and the NSA is all powerful. Neither is true. The fact that they have to resort to things like this (the HTTP get is an old spammer's trick), that they have to hack google to get access to cleartext -- speaks volumes. They're actually very weak in the face of technology, and they're having to essentially cheat to get data. It's something they're very good at, but all of this paints a picture that the NSA is the Wizard of Oz, and Snowden pulled back the curtain.

As it became apparent how bad this has become, I created a "hard mode" for my firewall -- an open source one -- that permits communications only with certain IPs, and denies all else, and informs me when it sees anything usual on my network. This will prevent most of the nefarious attacks. Consider the internet compromised, but with effort you can at least disarm it.

Of course the side effect of all this is anyone who really has ill intent knows to go off-grid. When thegovernment spies get hit (and they will) it's going to come completely from left field, without warning and with no evidence of the source. And then they'll feel their own shock and awe when their falability is exposed. I'm sure it'll be used to justify more power, but deep down they know they can never be powerful enough to protect themselves.

That said, I really, really wish zerohedge would implement https support.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:05 | 4160072 Ralph Spoilsport
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I thought the same thing when I read that they avoid the hassle of decryption by mirroring the cleartext internally. Good point that packet injection is nothing new and is the same sort of "cheating".

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 09:02 | 4160284 Running On Bing...
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"but with effort you can at least disarm it". Why fucking bother, it's an illusion my dreamy friends.


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:17 | 4160074 GoinFawr
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Skip talk your spark gap!

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 01:39 | 4160104 seek
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Funny you say that. About a year ago I started leaving my cell phone at home unless I absolutely needed to have it with me, and I use a 2M ham rig for on-road emergencies.

It's a bitch to track a radio that only receives unless you press the talk button. I'm sure the odd license plate scanner picks me up occasionally, but they're not getting 24/7 GPS updates on my whereabouts from my phone anymore. Add in paying with cash everywhere but online and I'm sure I have a high placement on the bad sheep list.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 04:42 | 4160196 Zero Point
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I got gps in my truck, and one of those damn toll tags.

First sign of shit, out they go.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 09:39 | 4160310 GreatUncle
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FAKE IT you do not disarm the beast you tame them. (A useful concept for use on your partner too)

It's like they think they know everything then to realising they know nothing all because you "accidentally" faked the info. Cellphone, take it with you once in a while, travelling far? Turn it on for a few seconds then turn it off again. Alternatively hand it to a friend who is travelling out of country and ask them to turn it on at the top of the eiffel tower. Do not throw it away neither, cellphone nearing the end of its life and thrown away. Car passing by with an open window or into the rear of a pick up. Lob it in and wish the cellphone a happy retirement knowing the NSA will look after it watching it move across the map. Even better send it to Snowden in Russia then you create the conspiracy theory for the NSA.

An OS and by that any computer is only hackable if you know the software structure inside. Writing your own OS, not a chance of being hacked. SelLinux on Linux was guidance by the intelligence agencies how to secure a system? More like how to leave the door wide open ... Do this, build a cross compiler and then compile every module yourself. Goal has to be to leave that behind though and to the self written OS.

Encryption, got a 3MB text document say? Then use a > 3MB encryption key why? Because each bit is encrypted uniquely with this key no pattern of repitition to break down. Even if you have quantum computing on this one with say 100 potential genuine solutions which one is the NSA going to pick as being the right one. They will demand the encryption key like in the UK so you have the fake ready to give that laternate genuine possible solution.

Then the best one, because this is personal. Got a wireless connection? You just know they are listening in well a little torment for them. Turn it off now they are blind. DATA ON, DATA OFF, DATA ON, DATA OFF and lets see if the NSA can sleep. Personally now, understanding more about UEFI bioses I pull all ethernet hard lines so unless you have magical connections not a chance. I still have the morning router reset that jammed itelf trying to access an IP for a discnnected PC every morning (noticed).

The NSA / GCHQ really do not seem to understand this bit though when through preserving lies and deceit all faith was lost of them being kind and considerate to being a malevolent beast. How to get it back, erm sort out the lies and deceit, faith restored, oh so they are not a malevolent beast now.

Shan't bother with the fake it anymore not needed you see.


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