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Total Healthcare "Enrollment" As A Result Of Obamacare: -3.9 Million

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"We fumbled the rollout on this health-care law," could be President Obama's understatement of the century. In the month-or-so since Obamacare was unleashed 106,185 people enrolled (based on a loose re-definition by the White House). However, in that same period, the WSJ reports a stunning 4.02 million people received policy cancellations. So, in a month, a total of 3,918,205 fewer people are now 'enrolled' in a heathcare plan than before Obamacare. So far, California, Florida, and Washington are suffering the most under Obamacare...

And here's the states where the coverage cancellations are the greatest...


and the additions and cancellations broken down by state...


Source: WSJ

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Fri, 11/15/2013 - 15:03 | 4158612 Dre4dwolf
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hhaha I read the title wrong I was like "wow 3.9 million people enrolledd" but then I noticed the ( - )

 and was like "oooo now it makes sense..."

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 15:05 | 4158626 nope-1004
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Get used to it.... Yellen wants negative interest rates too.


Fri, 11/15/2013 - 15:07 | 4158640 Say What Again
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And a VIX below 10, so they can hedge for free.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 15:17 | 4158668 Shocker
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Healthcare will be the next hit to this already fragile economy

Layoff / Business Closing List



Fri, 11/15/2013 - 15:36 | 4158753 dontgoforit
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'Take that, and that, and that, you dirty rat!'  Can't have your insurance for $450/mo from BlueCross/BS, must have it through Obamacare BC/BS for $900.  Deductible goes from $1500 per person/yr to $6000 and we don't cover much except birth control, abortions and snow jobs....so effn' good you can smell it!

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 15:56 | 4158826 walküre
Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:10 | 4158889 whotookmyalias
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It is stunning how stupid the people associated with mess really are.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:31 | 4158958 Joe Davola
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Buffet canning ketchup makers too, I'm sure the commoners will understand - after all he's one of them.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:32 | 4158972 johnQpublic
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simply not enuf people named 'period'

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 17:33 | 4159194 Keyser
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I love how it's hitting the Democrat stronghold states the hardest. Justice for the low-information voter. Perhaps they will educate themselves a bit better before they step into the voting both next time. 


Fri, 11/15/2013 - 17:48 | 4159241 SilverIsKing
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For those who have had their policies cancelled, many are going to come to the realization that they don't need a policy.  They'll see the extra cash in their pocket at the end of the month and say, "wow, I feel pretty healthy and this extra cash makes me feel even better."  Perhaps it will boost retail revenues at Christmas but many of these people are not coming back.

This was a miscalculation of epic proportions and that has nothing to do with the website failures.  People were going to get tossed from their plans regardless and a large portion of those would not have registered anyway.

I actually think they did a lot of people a favor even if they don't see it that way right now.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 18:54 | 4159433 MachoMan
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From a macro perspective, for sure...  there will be plenty of losers though in the "do in need insurance?" lottery.  The problem is going to be from the practitioner side...  for the smaller, more nimble outfits who can accept fruit preserves, deer meat, yard mowings, and small amounts of cash for medical services are going to have a boom...  practitioners will figure out that they can accept cash in much smaller amounts than they typically bill insurance for and come out ahead...  However, the outfits with very large capital costs (e.g. hospitals) are fucked....  those places that have to run hundreds of folks a day through in order to keep the lights on are going to have a rude awakening.  If the drug manufacturers don't want to play ball, then you'll see a turn towards homeopaths and mexican pharma...

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 20:32 | 4159631 Dr. No
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I suspect there will be a bunch of loopholes which allow hospitals to bill Medicare for non-insured.  Currently I think they are stuck with the expense but lets wait and see if these hospitals find a way to bill medicare.  This is how they will move/justify it toward single payer.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 17:22 | 4161005 markmotive
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What is America? Is government an enabler or a hurdle?

I think it's time for a refresher by Milton Friedman


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 17:56 | 4161079 AldousHuxley
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This is the whole point.

Private insurers either go out of business or jack up the rates so high, people will be demanding one payor system.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 17:48 | 4159243 Zombie_Economics
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If you haven't seen it, here it is.  The new web site design that actually tells the truth this time.


Putting a new face on ObamaCare


Be sure to take a real close look and read everything.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 19:50 | 4159564 donsluck
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Worthless graphic. It would only have value if it was PER CAPITA.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:34 | 4158981 Ruffcut
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And fucked up premiums for healthcare that ain't worth a fucking shit to begin with. Drugs that are poison. Food that is worse.

Need proof. Go to the store and watch all the fat asses that can barely walk.  

When the assholes that make 300K as oncologists that perscribe the same poison chemo for the last 30 years. They are not brain surgeons or healers at all. But, they drive a nice car.

My brothers are pharmacists. ONe is buying a new corvette, for he has had many. He thanks you.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:37 | 4158993 walküre
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Bingo! Why cure anything? The key is NOT to cure and the sick will keep coming back for more and more. Good for BIG Pharma and BIG Auto! Ding Ding Ding! What's not to love? And to pay for the nightmare we get stuck with inflation to boot because there is no other way to pay for all this fucking graft.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 17:37 | 4159206 Keyser
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Big pharma doesn't want a cure as there is no profit in it. 



Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:45 | 4160601 Vendetta
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just wait till TPP is fast tracked into law, then the pharmas' will be able to sue as foreign entities to protect their markets and Intellectual Property in the US even though everything they produce and test is done outside the US for pennies.  You can bet plenty of politicians in congress, senate and white house will get paid off handsomely to make it all 'happen'.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 03:07 | 4164365 FreedomGuy
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You guys are all complete morons and you know nothing about meds or development. So explain the first modern pharmaceutical product, antiibiotics? By your reasoning doctors want to keep patients sick and returning, hospitals really don't want anyone to get better, just on the edge of life and so on. How much do you suppose "cures" would be worth in a competitive environment? They would be worth untold fortunes.

The reason very few diseases are curable is because of the nature of the diseases and the complex nature. By the way, I have noticed that not one provider of "natural" remedies has cured much of anything, either. There is not one place in the world that seems to align with your views of what is possible.

All you conspiracty geniuses should start your own companies, hire a raft of PhD's in multiple disciplines, fund the labs, fund the 99% failure rates, find chemical compounds that are effective while doing minimal harm on the infinitely complex systems of the body, run the gauntlet of regulatory and approval processes of dozens of nations, pay for the marketing, get a fair price from insurers and government who want a price of zero, then survive class action lawsuits that inevitably follow if anyone has a bad result. Yeah, you genius, conspiracy types go for it. The endure the bad press and assertions of morons like yourself. Be sure to sell them for the same price as a Happy Meal which seems to the proper price. You need to do all this before the patents expire while fending off countries that do not respect patents.

Yeah, geniuses, you do this from your basements. You probably have conspiracy theories on a dozen or more industries, too, right?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:47 | 4159019 Withdrawn Sanction
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"...oncologists that perscribe the same poison chemo for the last 30 years."

I second that emotion.  3 principal sources of cancer, ionizing radiation, environmental toxins, and genetics.  The first two are also used as "tools" to put cancer into remission.  They never say "cure" and rightly so since many patients will eventually relapse b/c of the damage the treatments caused.

People will one day look back on this barbarous treatment regimine w/wonder...much in the same way we look back w/astonishment at the practice of blood letting a few centuries ago.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 17:32 | 4159188 pods
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Cancer is a chronic, metabolic disease.  As such, it has never been "cured" by a pill.

For 99% of us, the only genetic link we have for cancer is we eat like our parents do.

Nutrition is the key.  

All these excuses for cancer are because we, as Amerikans, cannot handle the truth that we are responsible for our own health. It is OUR fault we get cancer.

I agree on the chemo though.

I would say the number one factor in the incidence of cancer is malnutrition, as well as a diet high in animal products.


Fri, 11/15/2013 - 17:54 | 4159253 Miffed Microbio...
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I agree cancer is a metabolic disease and a prime reason is nutritional deficiencies. However, I would add radiation and chronic stress as culprits as well. I don't think animals products really has been adequately shown to have a direct link. Many cultures that have a high consumption(Maasai for example) don't have high cancer rates. I will concede consumption of diseased animals may make your case. It was very revelatory to me after the policy of routine female hormone replacement was questioned, cancer rates dropped 7%. Estrogen promotes cell growth and modern American beef is loaded with it. I try is eat as cleanly as possible omnivorously, fill my body with nutrients, enjoy lots of sex and yoga for stress relief. Now I can look forward to death by Fukushima.


Fri, 11/15/2013 - 18:11 | 4159314 insanelysane
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100 years from now they will look back at chemo like we look at the use of leeches to cure ailments.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 19:42 | 4159541 donsluck
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Chemo has its' uses, as do leeches.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 21:06 | 4159673 zjxn06
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"(Maasai for example) don't have high cancer rates."

Drink cow blood.  The new milk.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 18:18 | 4161112 PrintemDano
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The Maasai also die by age 30. Not much time for cancer....

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:36 | 4158988 RichardP
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It is stunning how stupid the people associated with mess really are.

That statement makes sense only if you are correct in your assumptions about what they are actually trying to do.  If you don't know what they are really trying to do, they could actually be geniuses while appearing to be fools.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:54 | 4159045 Miffed Microbio...
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This is such a problem for me. On the one hand I imagine them as highly intellegent with a master plan and focus to bring the world to their knees. Then I feel they are lowly poultry bumbling around with severed necks blindly spraying blood on us all, unaware and insentient. But I'm a Pisces and find it challenging to herd my fish in one direction. Of course,the really solution is the guillotine and debate this over cocktails afterwards.


Fri, 11/15/2013 - 17:15 | 4159129 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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reminds me of an old Rodney Dangerfield one liner

I asked a girl what her sign was

she told me stop.


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 18:45 | 4161171 yatikto
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They live in an alternate reality where everyone has an Iphone and access to high speed internet. So, on a practical level this was a miscalculation, but it indicates something deeper.

They don't have any values to speak of.  Money as an example of value, is just a liquidity, yet its not something they share.  Differences are simply foundational and will not be resolved by discourse, because intentions of the hearts are a world apart and language is a just a tool of expression.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:50 | 4160607 Vendetta
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If you track what they 'do' and how much money they make when they leave office .... you solved the puzzle of what their intentions are.  Check out Clinton, GW Bush's bank acount after leaving office and you get the idea.  Dick Gephardt leaves office and makes $70k a month lobbying .... sweet gig if you can get it of course it requires complete betrayal of the office to make it all happen.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:55 | 4159046 DoChenRollingBearing
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A computer guy (anyone who knows more about them than I do is a "computer guy") told me today that the Obamacare website is being hit with DDOS attacks, big time (1000 times the hits as amazon's servers).

From where I asked?  China...  Imagine that.  China saving us...

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 17:03 | 4159072 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Probably the NSA using stealth botnets at Obama's direction to use it as cover for low signup numbers this time around. Must have new excuses each time the ship sinks furthur into the sea.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 13:52 | 4160609 Vendetta
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why would china give a shit

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 16:12 | 4160834 bonderøven-farm ass
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Because in the long run they and everyone else tied to the USD will end up paying for the ACA.  They're pissed.  So am I....

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 17:07 | 4159091 dontgoforit
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Turd polishers.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 19:12 | 4159470 Papasmurf
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By design.


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 14:28 | 4160659 Serfs_Up
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Yeah no shit. I am hoping that our group of thinkers (ZH'ers) will continue to grow in scope and scale... I swear  that this whole Oblowme deathcare is the deleted scenes from the classic "Idiocracy" film.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 15:58 | 4158830 Buckaroo Banzai
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"Now the guy's got Obama as a partner. Any problems, he goes to Obama. Trouble with the bill, he can go to Obama. Trouble with the Doctors, the pharmacies, the hospitals, he calls Obama. But now the guy's got to come up with Obama's money every month, no matter what. Business bad? Fuck you, pay me. Got laid off? FUCK YOU, PAY ME. And then finally, when there's nothing left-- and you can't borrow another buck from the Chinese, or the Japs… you bust the joint out. You light a match."

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:22 | 4158927 Quisat_Sadarak
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Bravo!   Perfect comparison... 

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 16:34 | 4158984 johnQpublic
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obama aint no good fella

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 14:31 | 4160664 Serfs_Up
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His Criminal Friends string pullers....you had to know that, right?

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 17:42 | 4159225 Dr. No
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Thats the Chicago way...

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 18:22 | 4161122 spekulatn
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Spake on:

Ooooo-kay. So, if I follow correctly, the smartest president ever is not smart enough to ensure that his website works; he’s not smart enough to inquire of others as to whether his website works; he’s not smart enough to check that his website works before he goes out and tells people what a great website experience they’re in for. But he is smart enough to know that he’s not stupid enough to go around bragging about how well it works if he’d already been informed that it doesn’t work. So he’s smart enough to know that if he’d known what he didn’t know he’d know enough not to let it be known that he knew nothing. The country’s in the very best of hands.


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 20:37 | 4161418 nmewn
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Mark Steyn absolutely nailed it...ROTFL!!!

Obama can't be the smartest fucker in every room he enters and then claim complete ignorance in every subject he's ever questioned about...lol.

Maybe if we just gave him easier questions it would work ;-)

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 20:54 | 4159662 Dr. No
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They will also cover keg-stand accidents.

Fri, 11/15/2013 - 23:07 | 4159913 TBT or not TBT
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And sportfucking booboos

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