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Spot The Striking Similarity

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Spot the striking similarity.

Below is the US Employment to Population ratio - a nearly perfect, multi-decade low flatline since Lehman...


... And compare it to the NYSE stock index divided by the Fed's balance sheet: a nearly perfect, multi-decade low flatline since Lehman...


Funny how the phrases "improving unemployment" and "record stock market" are so dependent on one's perspective... and the denominator.


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In the meantime, here is the propaganda:


But even that pales in comparison to the one real winner from the "New Normal":


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Sat, 11/16/2013 - 22:35 | Link to Comment Newsboy
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If nobody hires you, plant food.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 22:38 | Link to Comment Xibalba
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Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:14 | Link to Comment knukles
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I hear tell that the copies of these charts handed out at the CNBS staff meeting were rolled up and placed the Ladies Executive Lounge Kotex dispenser.


came to believe that a buncha lunatics could preserve our sanity

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:48 | Link to Comment MontgomeryScott
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My second ex-wife, the cousin of the one who played the twin sisters in 'The Parent Trap' (Disney, original, 1960's), told me that 'co-inkie-dinks' were silly. We used to laugh, as I offered that there were no such things as 'coincidinces'.

Inadvertantly, you advertised a product marketed by Proctor and Gamble (Kotex), in trying to make a derivative deleterious statement regarding the mathematical certainties proven by charts presented to you by those who are obviously your elders.

My second ex-wife is a true friend now, and seems to be interested in rekindling our personal love affair together.

You are interested in making jokes about sanitary napkins, while discussing matters of great import.

I hope the jokes work out for you.



Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:53 | Link to Comment IrritableBowels
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Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:00 | Link to Comment barliman
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Near as I can figure it out ...

His second ex-wife, who must be 70 if she is a day, has stock in P&G ...

... or has a Kotex stuck in her permanently dry VAG.

One of the two.

It's Saturday night on ZH ... you WEREN"T expecting a full quota of bat shit crazy people?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:18 | Link to Comment markmotive
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You are witnessing the death of the American 'dream'

Peter Schiff: The American Middle Class is Vanishing

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 04:20 | Link to Comment Four chan
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they should have bought the fucking dip.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 06:53 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Just go with undergound economy and forget payin taxes and going blurry looking at incomplete graphs.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 07:27 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Insert incoherent babbling here _____________________


Panic : ON


YES WE CAN.......we simply choose not to.


Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:35 | Link to Comment Max Hunter
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Thank you very much! I just sat a laughed hysterically for about 5 minutes..

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:35 | Link to Comment Crash Overide
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Everyone please stop feeding the machine, it's bad for your health.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:15 | Link to Comment hungrydweller
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I only +1 for the avatar.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 09:55 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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A Kotex up a 70 hooch, is not a tampon. It's a dust cloth.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 09:59 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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damn I was asleep and missed that one

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:07 | Link to Comment Zadok
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Code, or impersonating one.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 00:00 | Link to Comment sgorem
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Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:56 | Link to Comment jon dough
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I hear the K man turned down your second ex-wife's sexual advances.

Now that's a co-inkie-dink.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 01:21 | Link to Comment nightshiftsucks
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 What are you,a fucking idiot ? Whoops just read your post again,you are a FUCKING IDIOT,

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 01:45 | Link to Comment Stockmonger
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Your second ex-wife just whispered to me across the pillow: "tell monty I only take off my dentures to go down on Stockmonger now".

This visual brought to you by Kotex, a P&G company.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 13:27 | Link to Comment LongBallsShortBrains
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Happy to give you number 100.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 05:25 | Link to Comment cpzimmon
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Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:46 | Link to Comment Trimmed Hedge
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Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:10 | Link to Comment PT
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Xibalba re grow food:  Still gotta do it anyway.  Everywhere.

And anyone who tries to destroy the food needs to be shot.  Or fired.  I hear a lot of US cities can't afford to pay their bills.  I hear that a lot of them have even had to downsize their Police Departments.  Destroying food doesn't sound so smart when the perpetrators become the hungry ones.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 22:43 | Link to Comment Keyser
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Can't, according to the EPA, the water in that stream that flows through your property belongs to them. 


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 22:48 | Link to Comment TheRideNeverEnds
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thats racist!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 08:13 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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So 'they' say!

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 22:49 | Link to Comment aVileRat
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man, all those Hooverville dugouts are going to be awesome for 4-square updates. No tall buildings to block the wifi.



Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:48 | Link to Comment Unprepared
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Are you telling me Employment = NYSE index and Population = Fed Balance sheet?

Then to decrease unemployment rate, we just need to print more population*? Hence the new immigration laws? These statist politicians are really smart.


*printing your own population at home is illegal.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:41 | Link to Comment CultiVader
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Now thats fucking funny!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 09:02 | Link to Comment CuttingEdge
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You ain't far off the mark.

Is it 11 million naturalisation documents Obamugabi is trying to get printed? +3% to the population.


Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:02 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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i'll second that vote. there's a lot of "talk" about immigration reform but like lobby reform, it never seems to get anywhere

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:34 | Link to Comment Money_for_Nothing
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What you said is what most politicians think. The current crop of Democrats and John Mccain Republicans don't understand the hoi polloi. Don't worry though. We get a new crop next year. May not be better but will be different.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 23:48 | Link to Comment toxic8
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Probably something like that, accoding to the Georgia Guidestones...

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:59 | Link to Comment PeeramidIdeologies
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"Nobody hires you, plant food"

Helluva idea!! In fact the last thing the TPTB want is for you to feed your self. Your dependence gives them influence.
If a fraction of the population were to being supplying themselves and /or their neighbours DIRECTLY with sustenance, this thing goes down, not in flames but in slow green growth.

Ahhh well maybe next time...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:09 | Link to Comment Zadok
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Hmmmm, planting food is the next best thing to printing your own currency.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:29 | Link to Comment PeeramidIdeologies
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Weellll one is value added, one is value lost.... It may just be the first best thing.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:03 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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and every dollar is different

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:50 | Link to Comment Zadok
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Good point!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 08:31 | Link to Comment uncle.bigs
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Most fat lazy Americans would prefer not to work.  The expansion of the Fed's balance sheet has enabled massive increases in food stamps, section 8 housing vouchers, SSI disability and many other government dole programs.  When you pay people not to work, they won't work.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:26 | Link to Comment Landrew
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What a stupid comment, without work on who's land do you plant with what money? A shallow without thought comment, just as our government has treated the workers of our country! This is the worst administration in HISTORY on employment. O'Bummer makes HOOVER look like a genius! 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 23:56 | Link to Comment sessinpo
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We are all food. If you nobody hires you, you've already been planted.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 22:36 | Link to Comment jekyll island
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If you can borrow money from federal reserve at zero interest and loan it out at 4%, please show me someone who could screw up this business model.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 22:45 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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Something for nothing is never sustainable, but its great while it lasts!

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:00 | Link to Comment RockyRacoon
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The charade has gone on for 5 long years now.   Chart #2 tells us that something has gotta give, and it's not going to be pretty.   It's fairly obvious why the Fed ain't gonna reduce its balance sheet, and why it has to increase it incrementally -- or else.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:20 | Link to Comment knukles
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Who can screw it up?
TPTB in DC, that's who


Remember, the Federal Government could not profitably run a brothel in Nevada seized for tax fraud.

Can spend billions on shit don't work.
And not be fired or thrown in jail


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:52 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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Government is the only entity that gets bigger and stronger through failure. Their failure never seems to demonstrate their ineptness, only the fragility of our state and our absolute dependency on their power.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:07 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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that and a dam break

i wish we could get a dam break

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:00 | Link to Comment PT
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Hahahahahaha.  No, it is the banks that are "screwing it up".  By lending money to idiots who can in no way afford to repay their debts.  But why would they care when they get paid more for lending more, they can sell the bad loans to someone else, and they can borrow more ZIRP money no matter what their cashflow is doing.  Oh, but the govt is "enabling them".  After the banksters "lobby" the govt and put their own people in the govt.  The two are, at this point, inseparable.

Only little people have to endure the govt.  Big people get laws changed.  Little people have govt.  Big people have "infrastructure", "overhead", "cost of doing business" etc etc etc. 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 02:04 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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say what? sounds like it's time to dial the red phone: something weird about "normal" people wearing masks actually. this is one of the reasons i don't watch television anymore.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:22 | Link to Comment kill switch
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Breaking News!!! is now operational.


Thats similar...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:28 | Link to Comment nmewn
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They finally got the interface between the IRS, DHS, ICE & NSA fixed huh? ;-)

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:28 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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Its going to blow and shit will hit the fan in every way imaginable and unimaginable as well. What they are doing really pisses me off but what is really killing me is the denial on the part of seemingly everyone in the world. I consider it denial and not just ignorance because when you try to talk to poeple about it they don't argue, they almost start yelling La La La as loud as they can so as to not hear you. They don't want to know the specifics. They already know basically what is happening but somehow believe that as long as they don't say the words out loud, the monster won't eat them. Or I might be insane.....

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:40 | Link to Comment TheReplacement
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You are not insane.  It's not like they know what is going on but they do know something is wrong, very wrong.  They are just terrified of understanding because once they do they cannot denied it anymore (plausible deniability is now a way of life).  Once in a while you get someone who listens and even then they can be almost paralyzed with trepidation.  The realization that the problem is overwhelming can be... overwhelming.  That is harder than running down the street yelling "Lalalalalala".

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:40 | Link to Comment Dadburnitpa
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You nailed it.  People's eyes dart around nervously when I talk to them about these things. Often they act like someone who has been caught in a lie.  They are more comfortable in the pretend world.  It's a normalcy bias epidemic.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:14 | Link to Comment takeaction
takeaction's picture I feel exactly the same way.  I have long ago given up trying to wake people up.  My sister is a great example.  I try to tell her what is going on and she says "I just want to live in my bubble, there is nothing that I can do about it, so I don't want to hear about it."  I have her clean my house once a week, and she sees the preparations.  She always says when SHTF their family are heading for my house.  HAHAHA...they are out of their mind.  Her comments have got me preparing a secondary place.  

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 02:26 | Link to Comment JohnnyBriefcase
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The first rule of Prep Club is?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 07:56 | Link to Comment Deacon Frost
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The first rule of Prep Club is: You do not talk about Prep Club.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:03 | Link to Comment hedgeless_horseman
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Finish preparing and start living, not necessarily in that order.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:04 | Link to Comment starfcker
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amen. and love the edit

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:46 | Link to Comment honestann
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This phenomenon was a long-time mystery for me, but now I finally understand.  I have asked the following question hundreds if not thousands of times since I was a kid:  "If you run out into the middle of a busy freeway, then stop and close your eyes, do you really think not being aware of what is happening around you will protect you in some way?"

I have always been stunned by how many people say "yes".  I mean, really!  Obviously they don't really mean "yes".  I mean, nobody is that stupid.  Most people I ask that question to just refuse to continue the conversation, leaving the bottom line unadmitted but easy to infer.

We don't see people running into the middle of busy freeways, then closing their eyes.  So we know people don't really believe the nonsense they seem to believe --- not really.

What it appears to come down to is... short term versus medium-to-long term thinking.  When consequences are immediate, most people don't act this way.  I mean, they don't run out into the middle of busy roads with their eyes closed, and they don't run into banks waving guns with the hope they'll get rich.  When the consequences of stupidity are immediate, and will almost certainly fall upon the human who acts, most people "get it", even if they won't admit it.

However, people will do and accept almost anything that gets them some kind of short term benefit (even just a chance of a short term benefit)... as long as the consequences are far enough into the future to not be immediately dangerous.

The reason people cover their ears and sing "la la la la la" is because they want those short term benefits.  They know someone in the future will suffer the consequences, but they hope that someone will be someone else, and even if not, maybe they can escape those consequences somehow.

That's all people need to act like complete morons in massive denial in the short run.

I was still living in the USSA about 5~8 years ago when I last saw this phenomenon blatantly express itself to an insane degree.  I refer of course to the real-estate bubble.  It was a classic in this regard.

I would sit down with someone who wanted to buy a house, and explain the obvious problem.  That was, house prices were already so high that people could barely afford to make the temporarily low adjustable rate mortgage payments.  And they certainly couldn't possibly make the payments when their mortgage payments adjusted higher.  Thus prices could not continue to rise.  Can't happen, because already people can't make the temporary ultra-low teaser rates.  If prices got any higher, they couldn't even make those initial teaser payments... hence prices cannot rise much more.  Can't happen.

It was so clear.  But I watched people I knew buy anyway.  I remember one friend in particular who I tried to convince for months.  She earned $32,000 at age 55 and had no prospects for ever earning more.  She purchased a $550,000 house with almost no down payment (since she had no savings).  She probably paid 80% of her paycheck on the mortgage payments.

But she would not hear it.  She could do the math.  She couldn't find fault in my analysis.  But... in the short term she could get a nice new little tiny micro-home.  That house was probably worth about $80,000 when she bought it, but at the peak of the market, well, people would pay anything, accept any terms --- anything to buy a house.

In 2007 it wasn't even gambling any more.  Anyone with half a brain could perform a little math and see that it was impossible for prices to rise further by any significant degree, and would have to fall once the buying pressure abated.

So I think what is happening is that most people are brainwashed and pressured to give insane emphasis to the short-term, and almost completely discount the long-term.  But, of course, the long-term does arrive eventually, and along the way the consequences get greater and greater and greater until ultimately they are screwed.

So here we are --- an entire planet of the screwed.

The consequences of fundamental dishonesty to justify short term thinking.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 01:42 | Link to Comment OldPhart
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 "If you run out into the middle of a busy freeway, then stop and close your eyes, do you really think not being aware of what is happening around you will protect you in some way?"

Once in a while there's always someone who puts this to the test...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 02:20 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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You will be happy (??) to know that the "Buy it NOW or forever be priced out of the Market" mind-set is still very alive and kicking in Australia. I'm regularly told that "Prices (and rents) are going to the Moon" Down Under, which is interesting when you notice the very significant employment losses in formerly well-paing Industries (Ford, Holden, Qantas to name just three).

Wonder where the money will come from to pay for these "gone to the Moon" price expectations?? NOT from the traditional "Middle Classes" I suspect.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 08:42 | Link to Comment More_sellers_th...
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No worries mate,  someone from communist China will buy it.....

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 08:52 | Link to Comment LMLP
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let's see...

China, India, Russia, Japan, HongKong, Singapore and Indonesia to name just a few countries with shit loads of peiople looking for a safer, cleaner life...........Not to mention they have a shitload more money than all of those Aussies..... and ...... they'll probably pay all cash...

No worries! You'll have a service job to keep you busy....

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 09:11 | Link to Comment Cloud9.5
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Being priced out of the market works for gold and silver and ammo.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 08:56 | Link to Comment highly debtful
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I stopped trying to make people see the light since I officially became the village idiot. I even remember the actual moment: at the end of a discussion with one of my neigbours during a community event in our small village, about a year and a half ago. We were discussing how Dexia bank went bust not once, but twice despite passing those famous stress test with flying colors. The discussion ended when he got extremely irritated and started yelling "dr Doom, dr Doom!" at me at the top his lungs in a hall full of people. Apparently, it was getting very personal for him, because his wife is higher management at ING Bank, but that there was my breaking point, where I said f*ck all of you, from now on it'll all be only about my wife and kids, my Yanmar 1401d, plow and cultivator and my chickens and everybody else can go you-know-what themselves.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 01:43 | Link to Comment honestann
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Smart move.  Good for you.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 09:53 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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I once stood in between two lanes on why 5 north of Sacramento with my eyes closed as vehicles went past just to see what would happen. That was twenty years ago and I made out alive so will a bunch of other simply lucky people.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:17 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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"She earned $32,000 at age 55 and had no prospects for ever earning more.  She purchased a $550,000 house"

fuck, she should work for the government

nice post

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment Harbanger
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For some people it's not that they ran into the middle of the highway,
but they realized that somehow they are standing on the highway and want to close their eyes.
I got one straight answer from a friend who started distancing himself.  He said my talking about what's going on is too emotionally upsetting. 
They may agree with you, but feel they can't do much or anything about it, so they conclude that it's better not to think about it.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 01:39 | Link to Comment honestann
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The assumption that they can't avoid some or most of the disaster flying around in the real world is... and invalid assumption.

It is not always easy, but I am absolutely 100% certain that being fully aware of the reality that may impact me helps me find ways to avoid the worst of it.  Further, I sometimes notice aspects of reality that can benefit me.  Not surprisingly, most people never notice these, because their eyes are closed.

What would upset me emotionally is to close my eyes and wait in constant fear for something to shred me to pieces.  Obviously at this point I'm firmly wired as a realist with eyes wide open.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 06:44 | Link to Comment Liberty2012
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Yes, I call that living in fear. Thank you for your posts honestann....

There's more than short term thinking involved (although that's a big part of it).

Tue, 11/19/2013 - 01:41 | Link to Comment PT
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Thanks for sharing.
For those who 'gots ta know':
$32k per year, $550k house means over 30 years, an interest rate of 4.24% would require 100% of her wage.
25 years --> 3.28%
40 years --> 5.19%
Repayments 80% of her wage suggests
25 years --> 1.27%
30 years --> 2.41%
40 years --> 3.59%

How do these people survive?

Has anyone here ever been able to get up close enough to find out?  Or is it better to stay away because they are continually "borrowing" from friends and rellies? 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:34 | Link to Comment walküre
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Particularly stupid during holidays and when the boomers faced with gifting the grandkids. I just feel like screaming at them that the grandkids won't need any toys or chocolate because when they grow up they will face a very different reality than what we're able to provide them today. Boomers if you're reading this, give gold and silver to your kids and grandkids because they will need that more than the next hot toy or video game.

Boomers caused this mess and all they do is make it worse by participating in the marketing. Stupid sheep boomers unable to care or think for themselves. Common sense is lost on most of them and it's a miracle if it gets rediscoverd by their kids or grandkids.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 06:54 | Link to Comment Liberty2012
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The "boomers" did not cause this. Their grandparents, and everyone else since 1913, not understanding what was really going on caused this.

No "one" is at fault. The ones who set it up are the most to blame.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:00 | Link to Comment rbg81
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I'm sure Obama could screw it up.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:20 | Link to Comment PT
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rbg81:  "Screw it up"?

A bank has to make certain decisions:
Lend someone 100 grand = repayments approx $160 per week for next 25 years
Lend someone 200 grand = repayments approx $320 per week for next 25 years
Lend someone 200 grand = repayments approx $160 per week FOREVER plus the debt keeps increasing, prices all round are increased everywhere guaranteeing that all future loans will have eternal repayments plus the bank retains "ownership" of the property.

Gee, I wonder what they'll do?  Make an honest buck?  Or get the law changed and make their bucks "honest"?
As I said above, little people have govt, big people have "cost of doing business".

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 09:20 | Link to Comment CHX
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not "someone", but a country that collectively goes broke is the price for this "brilliant buisness model". in the long term there are no free lunches.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:14 | Link to Comment Bagbalm
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Free money to loan will fail because they are too greedy to say that's enough. Why 4% won't pay the bonuses!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 21:51 | Link to Comment DirkDiggler11
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I can guaran fucking tee ya that BOTH Bank of Americian and Citi Bank can fuck up even this simple model.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 22:42 | Link to Comment Kamehameha
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long cholera

erythromycin is antibiotic of choice FYI

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:22 | Link to Comment tvdog
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Nah, they have aerial cholera vaccine to spray on ya. 'Course it causes sterility ...

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:25 | Link to Comment Wilcox1
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Is that available at the Tractor Supply or Southern States in some form or another?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:04 | Link to Comment jon dough
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This works, cheap, too.

Read about it here, follow the links:

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:18 | Link to Comment takeaction
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great read...thanks.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:42 | Link to Comment jon dough
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Used the Mox for a nasty lung infection and I'm still here. YMMV.

I buy it and others every year or so just to stay stocked.

Tried eating FRNz but they didn't help although the amount of coke was interesting (sarc). So, I traded up.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 02:07 | Link to Comment Curiously_Crazy
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Nice reading, but as usual with a lot of these types of links there are inconsistancies. Take for example:

"For Amoxicillin, you would give 20-50mg per kilogram...  A common child’s dosage would be 250mg and a common maximum dosage for adults would be 500 mg"

So the average adult is 10kg? Where is the error? Is it that you take 2-5mg per kg of body weight or should it be 5000mg for a 100Kg person?. Given the tablets come in both 250 and 500 sizes and need to be taken three times a day you could get that buy having roughly 3 500 tablets three times a day. You could also get the lower (500mg dose) using a 250mg tablet twice a day.. so what is it?  This kinda shit is important.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 03:38 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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As a general guideline, the mg/kg dosing regime is followed for the paediatric population (up to a body weight of 70kg), OR up to the usual Adult dosage, whichever is the lesser.  So, for amoxycillin (say absolute max dose of 100mg/kg oral dosage per day in 2-3 divided doses), the point where the child stays on the "adult" dose would be for a body weight of 1500/100 or 15kg, but this is for maximal dose treatment. For lesser infections we'd use the 50mg/kg/day regime, so the "adult" dose would be reached once the child weighs 30kg.

Also, bear in mind that for "difficult" infections (e.g. osteomyelitis) common "max. Adult dose" is 1g THREE times a DAY (as an Outpatient), which would equate to a 60kg child using the above calculation.

If you have a mobile device, download Medscape (for Android or I Phone). Very good Paediatric Dosage calculator there, or if you really don't want to register, there are many other Paediatric Dose Calculators out there, all of which are pretty reliable, and could be very useful in case of a true emergency (when NO-ONE is coming to the rescue!)

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 02:56 | Link to Comment zkay
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The average adult takes 1 500mg tablet tid-qid (three to four times daily). Dentists prescribe it as a prep treatment for people to take before coming in for oral surgery as one 2000mg (2gram) dose. Amoxicillin doses used to be much lower as little as 10-15 years ago, but most bacteria it treats are now more resistant, hence the rise in dosages. Your reference material may be dated when it says to take less. Taking more is not good either, though. Call your local hospital and see if they have any documentation on prevalent infections in your area. There is a name for this report but it escapes me at the moment.

The three big ones you want to have are amoxicillin, bactrim ds (sulfamethoxazole/trimethoprim), and erythromycin. Throw some topical neomycin (triple antibiotic, neosporin) and some cipro in there for good measure. Also pick up a merck manual.

Initial outlay, maybe $200-$300. 

Like my advice? Help me buy an exterior deck door before winter hits here in NE Iowa.



Sun, 11/17/2013 - 04:11 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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Your better off with an Amoxycillin / Clavulanic acid preparation - offers greater resistance to the more common penicillinase (betalactamase) producers. If you can get it - go for the convenience of the "Duo" formulation (2 x daily rather than 3x daily), and Duo Forte (875/125mg) is the ideal if available (usually in packs of 10 = 5 day's treatment).

Erythromycin's good, but Azithromycin's far better (and is a once a day dosing regime, so less tablets will be needed). Co-trimoxazole's great (especially for atypical infections and severe UTIs / Pneumonias), but remember sulphonamide intolerance / allergy is far from uncommon. CHECK before you use!!)

Doxycycline is very safe (in adults) at doses of up to 100mg twice a day (for a severe pneumonia where the organism is unknown, use Doxy 100 b.d. and Augmentin DF b.d.)

All the fluoroquinolones (e.g. Ciprofloxacin) are good, useful drugs. Might as well go for the higher strength tablet (750mg), since these are scored and may be easily halved if needed. I wouldn't use these as my first line treatment - keep them "up your sleeve" for use if the augmentin DF fails (give it 48 hours).

Might be worth adding in metronidazole - very useful for gut infections (food poisoning), although ciprofloxacin works fine too. For MINOR gut problems, it's best NOT to treat and "let nature take it's course" by eliminating the problem via the usual route. Just keep well hydrated.

For those OK with giving things to themselves by injection - do consider Ceftriaxone (originally branded as Rocephin). VERY broad-spectrum, and still very effective as a first-line strategy. Usual dose is 1g i.v. (ideally by slow infusion, but at a pinch, tolerable as a slow push) or i.m. (slowly into a large muscle - and sorry, it will be a bit uncomfortable). We try NOT to encourage use of this drug (so we can preserve its usefulness), but remember - we're talking "no services available" crisis management here.

For topical use - Povidone-iodine (Betadine) is just as good / better than neomycin. Cover with an impermeable dressing (e.g polythene strip or cling film) to maximise tissue effect. Chlorhexidine cream is good too (not quite so good), and for probable Staphylococcal infections (furunculosis / infected "boils"), mupirocin cream or ointment is excellent.

The report you're looking for is produced weekly by the CDC - it's called the Communicable Diseases Report (or at least it WAS!). Very similar to the UK PHLS CDR that was released weekly. Here's a link to the CDC reports web page, which contains a lot of the information you might need. However there's no guarantee this will be available in a true emergency, so maybe just the occasional visit to keep up to date with what's what would be time very well spent.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 08:43 | Link to Comment johnQpublic
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amoxycillin causes severe diarheaa that can require hospitalization

about 90% of people are affected by this

i am one of the ones who ends up in the hospital


pick a different antibiotic than this

there are plenty of good ones out there and this aint one of them

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:06 | Link to Comment Trimmed Hedge
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Fuck antibiotics..


Sun, 11/17/2013 - 04:43 | Link to Comment Marco
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God the availability of all those for veterinary use is just sickening ... if I die from some minor infection due to multiple resistance it's going to bring me great comfort knowing that it was a byproduct of saving many Koi carps and budgies (as well as many more cows, pigs and chickens of course).

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:50 | Link to Comment KnightTakesKing
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Just ordered three different types of antibiotics. Thanks for the great prepper tip.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 19:53 | Link to Comment Shigure
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Make your own Colloidal Silver: (8.39)

But be careful you don't turn blue! (2.12)

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 22:46 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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Sweet Jesus! We got a problem here!


Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:00 | Link to Comment rehypothecator
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This is the sort of analysis that one will never, ever, EVER see in the mass media.  Zero Hedge (and Nanex) - doing the analyses of markets and economics that the media and regulators don't dare touch.  

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:15 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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the only thing they touch is themselves 

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:13 | Link to Comment ArkansasAngie
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They have globalized us to the point that when it breaks people will wish they weren't surrounded by concrete so they could grow food if they only knew how

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:23 | Link to Comment idontcare
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What no one realizes is that it really takes 2 years to achieve a garden which could sustain a person.   Most people know nothing about gardening except putting a seed in the ground.  The actual nurturing of a seedling to maturity then actually having it bear something edible is harder than most people think.  Seriously, it's a 2 year learning curve to really get it right for your area.  Reading the backs of seed packs and watching survivalist DVDs just depresses you, especially if you have an unexpected flare up of too wet weather, unsesonably hot or cold weather, or just a swarm of hungry insects.  Barring spending almost every waking moment nurturing and/or protecting your plantings, a good deal of every farm never makes it.  Worse yet, to have enough food for a daily basis for two individuals (who don't like to eat that much), you'd better have 1000 sq ft planted and learn very quickly how to can or dehydrate any excess because when vegies are mature, that's it. Don't pick them in a timely fashion, the animals have a feast.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:37 | Link to Comment Asher88
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Three letters....GMO. Problems solved.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 03:04 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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The storage situation can pose a problem too. Cans are not exactly a storgae system you can "make at home", and once used, that's it. Bottling (Mason Jars) is a little more sustainable, but even here the rubber seals perish after not that long a time, and will definitely need to be replaced once the bottle has been opened. Desiccation's great (freeze-drying is by far the best way) but that sort of hardware doesn't come cheap either. "Natural" dehydration is hard on essential nutrients and the end product will not be that great from a culinary perspective!

If you have access to reliable solar / wind, freezing is the best choice. Modern freezers are very reliable (decades ++) and the chest versions are pretty efficient. and the more you store, the more efficient they become.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:20 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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wow, thanks for the link

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 19:31 | Link to Comment css1971
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Try the german style "einweckgläser". Basically the jar is completely glass, top as well and there is a rubber seal between the top and the glass. As you say, conventional rubber perishes, but silicon and NBR based rubber can also function for decades. You can seal them in your own home with a big pot, and once sealed they don't require any energy to maintain.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 06:16 | Link to Comment Offthebeach
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You'll trade your surplus for something.
Illegal, unpermitted, noninspected commercial farm.
And or local community emergency volunteers will seize the food, you racists white devil/uncle tom...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment DaveyJones
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the key is not so much storage, although that's not as difficult with some practice, it is more about growing through the seasons (with cover), and increasing production through permaculture principles and perennial food stocks. THere are also plenty of greens that can produce nearly year round. YOu must expand the variety of edibles. resiliency, redundancy, competitive diversity. You're right it does take practice and we are in a way screwed being the first couple generations that did not live with some form of agriculture or food growing in their daily lives but will soon be forced abruptly back into it.  

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:13 | Link to Comment Asher88
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Wait for the 'correction' and buy SPY....why ask why?

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:30 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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The only real skill that most Americans share is "buying". We will buy the world if they can print enough bucks.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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They, not we, will buy the world because they will print enough.

Sat, 11/16/2013 - 23:59 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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Nothing that killing 33 million can't correct. 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:11 | Link to Comment forwardho
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Once 10% of the unfunded liabilitys walking around are removed, it will become easier "as a culture" to accept a further cut in the population.

Remember... its for the collective good, nothing personel you understand.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:25 | Link to Comment idontcare
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Wasn't that the point of "The Purge"?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 06:49 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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Adolf Hitler Gives the Jews a City........what a guy!


Apparently the art of bullshit was being used even back then...but we have definitely perfected it since.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:14 | Link to Comment Paracelsus
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I've been thinking about this for about five years now.

The best thing is to cut a deal before it is too late,but they won't do it.....

Unless they planned to implode America,they couldn't have designed this better.

A large group of people will get destroyed by this,but the 1% do not care at all.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:42 | Link to Comment idontcare
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Actually Paracelsus, it's the 1% of the 1% that doesn't care.  The 1% as defined by HRH Barry starts at just over 250K.  Now, let's see, any household which is pulling in 250K most likely are working Borg who basically think of their 401Ks as their savings.  I'll project that most households which are "earning a wage"even up to and beyond $1M are most likely good Borg who believe in the power of the almighty 401K.  So, let's see, IF the market flush and the bowl doesn't fill again like it did from 09-now, then the 1%ers are wiped clean just like the rest of the population.  It is the uber wealthy who will feel a sting but still be able to wake up in the same fully staffed home they lived in yesterday without fear of starvation or worse.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:14 | Link to Comment Ned Zeppelin
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Spot on

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 05:36 | Link to Comment kenezen
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You're correct! The only way is to become once again competitive in "Real manufacturing" meaning Agency correction EPA, NLRB and maintaining Low Minimum wage. Then, we turn the States loose to solicit the manufacturing going currently to Mexico. (GE, GM, Honeywell, Cessna, Goodrich and many more and double the ancillary jobs.  We lose them because of EPA, NLRB and Class Action Suites with Agency support. WE drive them away. The States must be free of Central Government Agency interference and let the States compete. WE would thrive!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:45 | Link to Comment q99x2
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The power of FRAUD has a short lifespan.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:56 | Link to Comment akarc
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It has worked forever. Religions depend on it!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 00:48 | Link to Comment t0mmyBerg
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awesome stuff

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 01:14 | Link to Comment q99x2
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I just looked at a 1 year graph of BitCoin. Sumpin doesn't look right. Looks more dangerous than the FEDs balance sheet. Should be a correction soon No?

What seems a little different is that the volume indicative of the hysteria that led to its rise to 285 in April is not there this time despite BTCChina coming online.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 07:45 | Link to Comment AGAU
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It could be that the mining difficulty is rising so fast, I've been mining for just under a month but the difficulty has doubled in that time, difficulty is set to go exponential when the next generation (26nm chip) comes out in the new year. It will be interesting to see if price follows difficulty. btw difficulty rises to prevent too many coins being mined.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 01:15 | Link to Comment Trimmed Hedge
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Take another look at that last chart..

It's amazing how much $$ corporations can make when they screw over their employees & customers...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:21 | Link to Comment AynRandFan
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and refi their own balance sheets and use profits to buy their own stock in a rising market.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:54 | Link to Comment akarc
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Oh no you guys can't possibly be right. Didn't your hear the over riding meme we have to lower the minimum wage and do away with feeding the poor so they will work for less than a chinese laborer or mexican field worker?  Koch/cock Bro's have succeeded building a movement based on hate that would financially harm the proponents of themovement. Brillance!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 01:18 | Link to Comment Decimus Lunius ...
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Refine the model: I did super at math in our stellar high school, had lot of extracraiculars, and studie real hard the applications of absrtact math so I should be able to model the infinite variables of decision by humans, andimals, the sun, and insects.  If I'm wrong, I'll just adjust my model and collect my salary or fee.  If I'm right, I'll join some hedge fund or investment bank.  Either way, the confidence game goes 'round and 'round and 'round.



Sun, 11/17/2013 - 02:34 | Link to Comment Trimmed Hedge
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Read the "Popular" comments..

Holy shit! Are a bunch of ZH'ers there?

Or is America finally waking up?!?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 04:29 | Link to Comment Parrotile
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They've all got to wake up eventually, but if we're truly seeing the eyes finally opening very wide moment (and the majority of those 860 comments are not very supportive of Tiny Tim's very conveneint move, are they!), is it still "too little, too late"?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:50 | Link to Comment akarc
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Unless you got some drones hidden in y our closet with your guns, probably!

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 00:36 | Link to Comment WillyGroper
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Why don't we #askJPM ?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:41 | Link to Comment unununium
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Sardonic skepticism seems to be the norm now in comments sections across the land.  They are waking up, at least the ones who bother to post are.

Next election you could have Elizabeth Warren vs. Rand Paul.  Fraud truthers on the left AND the right.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 03:12 | Link to Comment TheRideNeverEnds
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upon further reflection this must be bullish as clearly the FED can just put more zeros into computers and prop up assets forever.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 03:26 | Link to Comment Haager
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Don´t you moarn the corporate profits! This is wealth, it surely will trickle down to the Cayman Islands.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 04:45 | Link to Comment q99x2
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As BitCoin hits $495 on typical volume I'd have to say those darn Chinese have taken to it like they have to gold. Only with BitCoin there is no Jamie Dimon and FED to sell them the US Gold Reserves. No Comex or Gold ETFs to drive free market price discovery lower.

Hey Jamie. How you like financial terrorism Chinese style sucka? How you like Wen's daughter now Mutha Fukka.

Your Detroit diesels don't stand up against panzers. Oh you don't have any diesels. Then settle down to a nice long fiat fraud dinner with your NWO western globalist politicians. Hey maybe you can get the NSA to tweak one of those IBM boat anchors that we are not buying or how about a cisco router you dumb M'Fer.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 05:39 | Link to Comment kenezen
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You're correct! The only way is to become once again competitive in "Real manufacturing" meaning Agency correction EPA, NLRB and maintaining Low Minimum wage. Then, we turn the States loose to solicit the manufacturing going currently to Mexico. (GE, GM, Honeywell, Cessna, Goodrich and many more and double the ancillary jobs.  We lose them because of EPA, NLRB and Class Action Suites with Agency support. WE drive them away. The States must be free of Central Government Agency interference and let the States compete. WE would thrive!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 05:39 | Link to Comment kenezen
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You're correct! The only way is to become once again competitive in "Real manufacturing" meaning Agency correction EPA, NLRB and maintaining Low Minimum wage. Then, we turn the States loose to solicit the manufacturing going currently to Mexico. (GE, GM, Honeywell, Cessna, Goodrich and many more and double the ancillary jobs.  We lose them because of EPA, NLRB and Class Action Suites with Agency support. WE drive them away. The States must be free of Central Government Agency interference and let the States compete. WE would thrive!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 08:08 | Link to Comment SmallerGovNow2
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Spot on!  the jobs picture never improves until these agencies are reeled in...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:47 | Link to Comment akarc
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The American job picture will never improve as long as American corporations can export slavery to ur enemies and offshore the profits!


Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:46 | Link to Comment akarc
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You mean accounting for the dollars purchasing power when it comes to food and energy the minimum wage is not low enough? Well then, by all means, enrich the corprate pigs some more. IF anyone thinks we can ever compete will China on labor they are delusional!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:49 | Link to Comment lakecity55
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By the way, your plan is also called "secession," and it was tried once with disastrous results.

However, the sunbelt states now have oil, weapons factories, and other fabrication plants and ports.

I am hoping Texas goes first this time.

Hoist the Black Bart Flag, Maties!

Down with Backdoor Barry!!!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 06:17 | Link to Comment observer007
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1 Bitcoin 500$ (allmost)


New Record

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 07:42 | Link to Comment fijisailor
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If not manipulated this is what PMs would be doing now.  Gold should be at $10k/oz.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 08:49 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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1 Bitcoin 500$ (allmost) New Record


The day before yesterday it was $400......I'm I the only person that might see a problem here?


Shout out......who's holding Bitcoins here?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:53 | Link to Comment LawsofPhysics
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Wake me when people start selling bitcoin and taking delivery of physical.

If bitcoin really has all the "value" that many claim.  It will be the hyperinflationary event to end all hyperinflationary events.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Trimmed Hedge
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$200 on November 3rd

16 days ago...


EDIT: That appears to be the non-MT.GOX price, which tends to be about $35 lower

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 06:52 | Link to Comment GetZeeGold
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16 days ago...


Report back to us in 16 days......and good luck.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 08:38 | Link to Comment Winston Churchill
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$7k per ounce seems to be the growing consensus figure from various

diverse sources.

An overnight gold revaluation  combined devaluation of the USD

by 50%  concurrently.

Somebody is leaking TPTB plans.2014 will be fireworks time I'm


Sun, 11/17/2013 - 07:06 | Link to Comment goldenbuddha454
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Maybe a light will go on somewhere in the FED that says TAPER Now!  But then again, who needs jobs when they can live off their EBT cards?

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