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Guest Post: The Most Puzzling (And Haunting) Statement About The Obamacare Fiasco

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Submitted by F.F.Wiley of Cyniconomics blog,

This may be a little after-the-fact, but I’ve been thinking about the ACA mess this weekend and keep coming back to President Obama’s November 7 interview with Chuck Todd. 

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Or more precisely, Ann Althouse’s post on the interview.  (I admit to not watching the full interview – Althouse’s excerpts were enough to stick in my head like an annoying song.)

Speaking about why his campaign website worked so well compared to the ACA site, Obama said:

You know, one of the lessons - learned from this whole process on the website - is that probably the biggest gap between the private sector and the federal government is when it comes to I.T. …


Well, the reason is is that when it comes to my campaign, I’m not constrained by a bunch of federal procurement rules, right?

He later added that:

When we buy I.T. services generally, it is so bureaucratic and so cumbersome that a whole bunch of it doesn’t work or it ends up being way over cost.

BO, aren’t you kind of acknowledging that your ideological opponents are right?  Yet, you claim that these fundamental inefficiencies are easily fixed?

As Althouse notes:

we've been told we must buy a product, and things have been set up so we can only go through the government's market (the "exchange"), and the government has already demonstrated that its market doesn't work. But you can't walk away, you're forced to buy, and there's nowhere else to go. And yet, he wants us to feel bad about the cumbersome bureaucracy the government encountered trying to procure the wherewithal to set up the market it had already decided we would all need to use.

Check out the Althouse post for appropriate commentary and YouTube clips.

(h/t David Henderson)


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Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:22 | 4162759 knukles
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No further explinations necessary..........


stoopid monkeys (courtesy, adult swim)

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:06 | 4162886 rubiconsolutions
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"Well, the reason is is that when it comes to my campaign, I’m not constrained by a bunch of federal procurement rules, right?"

No sir. The reason your website worked is because it was designed like a giant vacuum cleaner that had only one purpose: to fleece people out of campaign money. It's as simple as putting a PayPal widget on your site. And the "NSA Plugin" of course. Channeling an old Geico commercial - "It's so simple even a caveman can do it."

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:28 | 4162934 Keyser
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Well, his lips were moving, so we must assume that he is lying, again. 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 19:36 | 4163549 machineh
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Why are you all so negative toward this nice Indonesian man who's impersonating the preznit?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 09:30 | 4164686 kralizec
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Fuck you people!  Fuck each and every one of you that enabled this stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable fuck to become POTUS!  May you all drown in a pool of maggots, vomit and excrement!!!

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:05 | 4165073 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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not even the birthers want to touch this reality....  it is as convoluted as we can believe

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:45 | 4163158 Bazza McKenzie
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Nor by a bunch of rules about who is entitled to vote and how often.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:50 | 4163169 XenoFrog
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He wasn't even constrained by Federal election laws, as evidenced by all the foreign money that flowed into his campaign website without even a basic check as to country of origin.


Obama thinks he is being cute when he waxes intellectual about how easy it would be to lead if he didn't have to follow the rule of law. Every time it sends a chill down my spine because he's actually just testing the waters. Getting Americans used to the idea of Dictatorship one quip at a time.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:00 | 4163200 jcaz
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Spot on, Xeno-  this isn't about healthcare at all, never was for Barry and his crew- this is about advancing an authoritarian regime,  carried out in a shuck-and-jive manner on Letterman, et al....  Pay no attention to the man hanging out daily on the golf course, all is well...

My ass.


Sun, 11/17/2013 - 19:06 | 4163483 eatthebanksters
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You can't fucking fix stupid...come on peeps. Without a teleprompter and a written speech, our president is a moron.  I mean, did he get into Columbia and Harvard on his grades and test scores?  He is fucking clueless. 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 19:39 | 4163555 machineh
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Did he get into Columbia and Harvard AT ALL?

Did he attend any classes, if he did?

Hard to tell, when his transcripts are secret.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 23:08 | 4164045 Things that go bump
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If so, there must be people out there who can say, "yah, I went to school with Obama - He was in my ...... class." The silence is deafening, puts me in mind of Antigorish, which most will remember from childhood. -

"Yesterday, upon the stair,
I met a man who wasn't there.
He wasn't there again today,
I wish, I wish he'd go away...

When I came home last night at three,
The man was waiting there for me
But when I looked around the hall,
I couldn't see him there at all!
Go away, go away, don't you come back any more!
Go away, go away, and please don't slam the door...

Last night I saw upon the stair,
A little man who wasn't there,
He wasn't there again today
Oh, how I wish he'd go away..."     Hughes Mearns

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:21 | 4164839 czardas
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It's the Alinsky play book of eternal enemies and the endless ideological struggle.  Obama does not expect a socialist state tomorrow.  He couldn't even seize control  (just as Bush never couldn't remain in power as heard constantly on the nut sites).  The military would not support him and I have a hard time forseeing them backing any non-legalistic manner.  What he CAN do is make us convinced that the State has all authority and must be consulted (and give its approval) for ALL actions - ecological. medical, agricultural, educational and business-related. The DC "experts" will offer their benevolent guidance as we pass through the difficult but necessary trasition to authoritarian (but loving) rule.

And that's the thing - these people actually believe that an authoritarian state is for the best.  Everyone knows their place and follows the rules established by the "right" folks who wearily toil providing guidance for the masses. Of course, like all such states there won't be much change, researach, material improvement or rising living standards but we should know that privations are good for the soul.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:25 | 4162768 Cognitive Dissonance
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Ignore what any of them say. It's all bullshit soothing public relations for the vast majority who are dependent (in one way or another) upon the machine. Watch what they do.

<"Catch me (in a lie) if you can dare." - Barry O>

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:08 | 4162861 Harbanger
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It's easy to be President when the MSM willfully covers for all your scandals and replaces your old lies with new.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:49 | 4163012 Cruel Aid
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Almost all of us agree with that.

Down arrow???

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:19 | 4163255 Oracle 911
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<Bouncing mouse cursor (miss click)

<Government troll

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 06:56 | 4164463 GetZeeGold
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Member for 12 weeks 6 days


Another ACA troll hits the dust.......MAN DOWN!


Clean up on aisle 5.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:24 | 4162782 Eireann go Brach
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Obama is making Dubya look like a fucking genius these days! And at least we know Old Dubya is American!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:48 | 4162839 GetZeeGold
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Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:22 | 4162919 Long-John-Silver
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Even Jimmy Carter was better than this, and some of US lived through that mess.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:36 | 4162957 Keyser
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I go back to Eisenhower... The chimp in the oval office now makes everyone from Eisenhower to GWB all look like rocket scientists. 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:04 | 4163055 johnQpublic
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how about a nice honest crook like warren g harding?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:11 | 4163076 GetZeeGold
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Stop teasing us.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:19 | 4163092 NoDebt
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How about anybody who can do what politicians are supposed to do best- line their own modestly-sized pockets with money and power without completely fucking up the entire rest of the country in the process.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 23:09 | 4164057 Things that go bump
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Those were the good old days.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 20:02 | 4163018 Cruel Aid
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Some charts say Clinton was a good president... Debt chart.

He was good at being too busy to screw things up

Edit: He wasn't busy screwing around? The debt did slow down... all im saying.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 03:04 | 4164361 NIHILIST CIPHER

Bite your tounge GZG that was a horrid eight years, besides you will probably have Hitlary in the WH next (at which time I will move to SA). Don't think Bill won't be front and center as the first husband. We don't need to settle any more,we need a house cleaning.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:10 | 4163071 Lost My Shorts
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Irony is, Romneycare worked in Massachusetts.  Not sure it's totally popular, but it was implemented many years ago, and the state didn't explode or tip over into the Atlantic, and housing in the Boston area is still wildly unaffordable so not everyone left.  Poor Barry-O has hitt the point where, in a parliamentary system, he would resign to avoid an embarrassing no-confidence vote.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:29 | 4163121 Cynthia
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It's fun seeing these Democratic corporatists taking the heat from the Republican corporatists for a rewarmed version of Nixoncare, as refined by Romneycare.

May they all crash and burn.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 00:33 | 4164194 playnstocks
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Its a liberal utopia! Unicorns and rainbows everywhere!

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 02:47 | 4164345 NIHILIST CIPHER

LMS        Romneycare was a dismal failure in MA last I read about it. The whole socialist ACA and Obonzo are an epic fail. There are too many Britts with too many opinions around here lately...and I think that you are one of them. 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:40 | 4164952 czardas
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We have "Tenncare" (TN), the Medicaid program for about 17% of the population.  It once threatened to bankrupt us until a Democrat governor (both parties are moderate) cleaned house, reduced coverage and added limits. BUT....Tenncare "works" because everyone is in HMO, the federal gov't provides 2/3 of the funds and we have a VERY lean state government. 

However, all good things....  70% of next year's increases are from Tenncare and once again it's back to cut service, raise taxes (impossible in a state with no income tax) or switch to Obamacare.  (We do not have a state exchange.)  

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:28 | 4162795 q99x2
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HEy its obvious thet the Central Bankers / Insurance Companies ordered Obama to implement ObamaCare as an attack against the United States of America as part of their plan to take over the world. We have been in WWIII since WWII.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:41 | 4162825 knukles
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The non-Fabian Cloward Piven design, global transformation into the One Great NWO Proceeds Ahead Swimmingly, According to Plan

....and to think that so many people were calling AJ a conspiracy theorist for his NWO, Bilderberg, Clowar Piven rants just a few years ago.....

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:40 | 4162980 Keyser
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The only problem with a NWO is getting the BRICS to buy into it. 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:30 | 4163405 John_Coltrane
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You didn't mean non-Fabian did you?  The Fabian Socialists have always had NWO as their central tenet going back to Wilson and the League of Nations.  Their method has always been war, the social welfare state and the debt needed to finance it.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:32 | 4162804 TeamDepends
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Proof positive it is time for the Great Reset!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:36 | 4162810 RafterManFMJ
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Basically everything that comes out of .gov's mouth is akin to the hypnotic motion of a snake's head, just meant to immobilize and confuse until it is in range/position to strike.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:37 | 4162818 booboo
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His remarks are directed at the Idiocracy voters thinking "burrito topping and stuff" everyone else knows the no bid contract for web development was a croney that will kick back half the money to the DNC to buy votes with " moar" burrito toppings.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:45 | 4162821 CheapBastard
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"If you want to keep your health insurance, you cannot keep your health insurance."

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:40 | 4162823 MedicalQuack
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Question here on Obamacare, have you all missed watching the growing number of Quants hired by health insurance companies..I haven't:)  Seriously though this is growing and again it's the continuous rise and fall of the machines in healthcare just like the markets.  As we see Hedge fund coding not working as well and more difficult to write, so goes the health insurance math models as well.  It' getting more difficult to profit on segmentation with smaller risk pools, and the ACA is all about reducing some of the segmentation models out there to provide better care and that clashes with Quant written profit models.  I'm sure every avenue of a non linear formulas is being explored as best they can try to find but eventually just like the sub prime numbers, something falls out along the line somewhere and from there it's the dominoes.

By the way this week, the Remote Area Medical documentary I said, the US owns this one with third world medical clinics in a first world country.  If healthcare was so great in the US, these folks could pack it up and donate their time elsewhere as they had originally planned to do outside the US, but business intelligence math models don't allow that to happen.  Good timing to release the documentary one could say as health insurers have to call on their Quants to fix the 5% formula now to allow for consumers to extend their policies.


Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:55 | 4162855 kchrisc
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"Government always accomplishes the opposite of the stated goal. Always."

That is because any and everything that the criminals of government say is cover for their theft and murder.

"I will save the German nation." "We will provide equality." "We 'serve and protect'."...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:04 | 4162883 RichardP
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"Government always accomplishes the opposite of the stated goal. Always."

That is a seriously misinformed statement.  If you actually believe it, you are embarrassing yourself - due to all of the evidence abundantly available that proves the statement false.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:22 | 4162920 drexlraw
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and yet, you fail to cite even one example of "abundantly available" evidence..

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:32 | 4162949 GetZeeGold
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Well played sir.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 20:06 | 4163620 RichardP
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Do I need to???  Do you doubt that I am correct?  Then you also are embarrassing yourself.  You live in this country and don't know what your government does that  improves your life?  For shame.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 21:15 | 4163799 sgorem
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< :( richard is correct.......................?

< :) "DICK" is short for richard...........?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:48 | 4165483 RichardP
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So - truth in your world is determined, not by facts available to the public, but by up or down votes?  If true, I fear for the future of the Republic.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:04 | 4185653 sgorem
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i'm sorry DICK, what was the question?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:20 | 4163096 orez65
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"... due to all of the evidence abundantly available that proves the statement false"

The Iraq war? $1 TRILLION and thousands of Americans killed and wounded?

The Afghanistan war $800 BILLION and thousands of Americans killed and wounded?

The Lybian war ...

Corn ethanol produces more carbon dioxide than gasoline?

AFFORDABLE?? Care Act????


You are full of shit.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:58 | 4163197 Westcoastliberal
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You could keep going with your list, Orez...Vietnam, Korea war, even WWII (since we had cracked the Japanese code and knew the attack was imminent but let it happen anyway).

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 20:11 | 4163630 RichardP
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The point of contention is not that the government gets things wrong.  The point of contention is this claim "Government always accomplishes the opposite of the stated goal. Always."

This statement is proven false by just one instance where the government does not accomplish the opposite of it's stated goal.  Learn all the things your government does right, if you don't know what they are.  You will be amazed.  And probably ashamed that you knew so little about the government that governs the country you live in.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 20:25 | 4163664 MoneyPowerWomen
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dude help us out. give us a couple of examples please.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 23:59 | 4164137 vlad335
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HAHA! He still cannot do it!


Here is another one: The Free Flow of Information Act.

Anything but.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:53 | 4165505 RichardP
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He still cannot do it!

Remember, the point of contention is that the government ALWAYS - that's the key word here - ALWAYS - always accomplishes the opposite of the stated goal.

When you do not know all of the things your government actually does, this is not a statement that you can support.  I don't need to support my statement, because my statement is not what is in question.  You cannot support your statement.

I have offered support for my statement elsewhere in this thread.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:43 | 4163441 John_Coltrane
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TSA  :  provides no real security, violates teh constitution constantly

Dept of Education:  Does no educating, people have never been as poorly educated.

Dept of Energy:  Produces no energy

Dept of Agriculture:  Grows no crops

Well, we ZHers could all go on and on about the usefullness of .gov, but suffice to say:

QED and Leave Us Alone!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:00 | 4163202 Offthebeach
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Pubic edgumakation.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:59 | 4162870 Rehab Willie
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Hillary must be going bat shit crazy right about now, concerned about '16 and nothing else like usual.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:56 | 4163192 Westcoastliberal
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Fuck Hillary and whore she rode in on!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:12 | 4163230 Eahudimac
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Huma Abedin?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:02 | 4163340 sunnyside
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And her husband Quagmire.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:12 | 4163231 Eahudimac
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Huma Abedin?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 19:45 | 4163577 machineh
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For an in-depth discussion, consult my magisterial, no-holds-barred biography, Hillary 'R' Clinton: The Curmudgeonly Curdling of a Cuckolded Cunt.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 21:23 | 4163822 sgorem
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if Hitlery is going batshit crazy right now, it's 'cause she found an old, fishy smelling box of cheap Hav-a-Tampa's stuck in a pair of Slick Willies' old shoes. (i'll leave that mental image up to you:)

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:01 | 4162878 RichardP
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we've been told we must buy a product, and things have been set up so we can only go through the government's market (the "exchange"), and the government has already demonstrated that its market doesn't work. But you can't walk away, you're forced to buy, and there's nowhere else to go.

... so we can only go through the government's market (the "exchange") ...

The ACA sets rules for what health insurance policies must cover.  It does not create the market.  All must buy health insurance.  If you want a subsidy for the policy you must buy, you have to buy it through the exchange.  But policies are also available outside of the exchanges for those who don't qualify for a subsidy.

In either case, inside the exchange or outside of it, it is not the government's market - as stated in the above quote.  It is the health insurance market, with products created by the private sector and sold through the private sector - except in those states that refused to set up a private exchange.  Even so - the Federal government runs those Federal exchanges on which anybody can offer their product.  Even on these exchanges, it is not the government's market.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:24 | 4162905 Deacon Frost
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You're trying too hard. Trolling is all about keeping it simple and somewhat credible.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 20:15 | 4163636 RichardP
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Do yo know what the term "market" means?  Do you know how markets are created?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 06:31 | 4164451 GetZeeGold
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Eject, eject, eject!!!


The plane is going down.....get the hell out of there amigo.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:38 | 4162974 Unstable Condition
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If the govt sets the rules for what the insurance companies HAVE to cover, it is the govt who created what the private sector must sell.

You suck at trolling, find a new job.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:19 | 4163374 Ropingdown
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It isn't 'insurance' when you are forced to pay for coverages you have utterly no chance of ever needing.  It is simply a subsidy program.  "Affordable Healthcare" would mean encouraging device, drug, and service prices somewhat in line with, well, Western Europe.  No effort whatever in that line, eh? 

I can't see any productive group being for ACA except corporations eager to dump their healtcare obligations onto the middle-income taxpayers.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 20:19 | 4163646 RichardP
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If the govt sets the rules ...

Through the regulatory agencies, the government sets all kinds of rules:  for food, drinking water, automobiles, cigarettes, etc.  Regulating a market does not mean the Feds created that market.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:11 | 4163225 Eahudimac
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Aaaaahahahahahaha! You've got to be shittin' me!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:14 | 4163361 Chuck Walla
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So all those conditions that must be covered by government fiat are actually the free market at work. Say what? RP, are things that slow over at MoveOn and OFA?

Say it with me:

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:10 | 4162898 Gringo Viejo
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Obama Administration Priority 1: Assess Blame.
These people are children.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:11 | 4163226 Cynthia
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If Obama were as smart as he thinks he is, he would have accepted the ACA delay that the Republicans were demanding, heaped blame upon them, and secretly used the extra time to get the websites fully operational. Then when the rollout ultimately happened without flaws, he would have been the hero and the Republicans the goats.

But he's not nearly that smart.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:04 | 4163345 sunnyside
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The website is one of the smaller problems with ACA.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:18 | 4163369 Chuck Walla
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Without a tel-a-Prompter and someone feeding him answers, he's not even a very good liar or mouthpiece.


Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:29 | 4162942 pupdog1
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"And we must buy our IT from Moochelle's old school chum's company ..."

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:35 | 4162965 GetZeeGold
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We spent $700 million on a website that doesn't work.....this sucks!


I would hope she at least got a kickback...that would at least make one happy person.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:34 | 4162960 icanhasbailout
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if you don't want to watch the whole thing to to 17:20

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:42 | 4162987 AU5K
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Liberals continue to cling to the religion of manmade global warming and mandated health care insurance at the point of a gun.


So sad, really.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:50 | 4163015 Unstable Condition
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That's an effect of the removal of the true scientific method from any and all curriculum, it has replaced common sense and critical thinking with apathy and group think.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:25 | 4163110 orez65
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"So sad, really"

It's not sad, it is PATHETIC!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 19:49 | 4163590 machineh
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When you say 'mandated,' it brings back warm memories for Barry of meeting Rahm in the bathhouse ...

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 03:23 | 4164378 NIHILIST CIPHER

machineh           +1        Many things are mandated at Man Country bathhouse where Zero has a lifetime membership. Thanks for the chuckle. 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:10 | 4163070 bugs_
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You know the government just can't get a good deal on anything it buys so let us supply you with health care DUMB ASS

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:12 | 4163073 vegas
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You under 30 somethings out there; how do you feel about putting this shitbag in office and then getting stabbed in the back? You voted for the asshat, now have fun paying the socialist bills the rest of your life. You were nothing but "useful idiots" to President Gobbels.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:32 | 4163125 Cynthia
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ObamaCare is fatally flawed. It is a scam based on lies. Why should anyone under 30 sign up for it unless they are really sick? Because they are too stupid to see how they are being ripped off? If I were under 30, I would pay out of pocket and pay the tax penalty until I got really sick, but that is a low probability. You can always sign up the day you get a cancer diagnosis. Until then, you save a lot of money by just saying no to O'scamacare.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:54 | 4163183 Westcoastliberal
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You're correct Cynthia, but then isn't every PR-laden "public" program espoused by Obama nothing but a scam?  I point you to the "HAMP" program.  The PR described it as a means to help homeowners being screwed by the banksters.  But when Barofsky asked Geithner why it turned into such a shit box, Geithner told him it was really in place to "foam the runway" for the banks.  Fucked up with a capital Fuck!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:12 | 4163078 Joebloinvestor
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Barry admitted it.

Obamacare, the "Gold Standard" for nigger rigged software.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:25 | 4163396 0b1knob
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The politically correct term would be "Afro American engineered" software.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:22 | 4163101 Hubbs
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I can assure you, when the government "mandates" something, the opportunists come crawling out of the woodwork onto the scene like cockroaches.  What is going on with ACA is going on for me as a physician having to buy electronic medical software that is no good and that I don't want and never wanted.  Then when the hospital adminstrator decides to hire additional doctors (running up the hospital losses to the point that it has to be sold in the process, and she and the CFO ultimately being escorted out under police guard when they find a 4.2 million dollar shortfall last year) but yet  driving me out of business (I can't compete via a private practice  with these subsidized doctors, many of whom are career job hoppers, who collect the two year juicy contracts and  then leave), and stiffing me with having to pay for EMR contracts I have to keep paying on  even when my practice is forced to shut down- in my case Nextgen Software, who then as soon as it has sold me the software, turned around and sold it to Key Equipment Finance Corporation, a subsidiary (boiler room type of collection agency) of Key Bank NA, so that NextGen and its seller/broker TSI out  of Raleigh, NC, don't have to deal with me-basically saying "we got our money, we don't care if it is a lousy software program" or that you got screwed by your hospital.  (Kind of like securitizing toxic mortages and selling them off).  We want our money!!


All these motgerfucking  cockroaches and politicians need to be lined up in front of ditch and shot -but first be made to dig the ditches.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:45 | 4163157 Cycle
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When you cannot change the rules of the game, one alternative is to stop playing. I would opt for a concierge practice rather than dealing with the layers of grey suits that are suffocating good medicine.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 19:52 | 4163598 machineh
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'All these motgerfucking  cockroaches and politicians need to be lined up in front of ditch and shot -but first be made to dig the ditches.'

... with their bare hands, as hungry German shepherds lunge and snarl at their shriveled testicles.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 20:39 | 4163702 RichardP
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... as a physician having to buy electronic medical software ...

You can get reimbursed for between $45,000 and $60,000 from the Federal government for the cost of your software.

If you were employed by the hospital, they would have paid for it, not you.  If you are in private practice, you can get reimbursed for the cost of the software.  If you are not getting reimbursed, you should find out how to get that money.

I work with a number of doctors in Southern California who collect (not bill for; collect) over a million dollars a year each.  All are Medicare providers; some are also private-insurance participating providers.  None have the slightest intention of taking on the EMR software mandated by CMS.

They are living proof that there are more options than to either suck up to the Feds or quit.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:29 | 4163106 NeoLuddite
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Obama is a professional agitator - an honors major from the Saul Alinsky school and specializing in the Hegelian dialectic.

He's not a leader. - rather a guy who stirs things up and gleefully watches from the sidelines as things unravel.

The hillbilly term FlusterCluck comes to mind.


Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:49 | 4163168 Westcoastliberal
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And thus because buying IT services are so cumbersome and bureaucratic, you must outsource the work to a Canadian company with executive-level ties to your wife.  There, fixed it for ya'.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:50 | 4163171 Joenobody12
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Dear leader Obumpma, 

When do I shit and which hand should I use to wipe my ass ? 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:54 | 4163186 Cynthia
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It's really amusing how the whole premise of Obamacare has evolved from "it will save you $2500 per year" to "why do you hate the poor?" I have a secret for you- the affordable care act does absolutely nothing to address rising premiums & costs for most Americans. Our insurance reps visited our company the other day to let us know that our premiums will be rising 30% next year and likely another 25-30% the following year as a result of the new health care law. No, our policies did not gain any additional coverage. This law is garbage and all its sympathizers are only people that will be leeching from the increased cost burden placed on others.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:17 | 4163249 nmewn
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"This law is garbage and all its sympathizers are only people that will be leeching from the increased cost burden placed on others."

Beyond it being garbage and nothing short of extortion, it is fraud.

If any person or corporation had knowingly lied in order to sell its product, costing people billions of dollars, then got caught lying, then admitted they lied, they would be sitting in jail cell right now waiting on a bond hearing.

This is in essence what has just happened.

Except the perpetrators are not in jail even though we all know who they are.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 20:47 | 4163726 RichardP
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Selling products to people (where they give you money and you give them a product), and lying to the people about what they are actually purchasing, is fraud.  What does this "truth" have to do with Congress passing legislation and the President signing it into law?  There is no relevant comparison between the two processes at all.

The way free markets and governments operate are not comparable at all.  That is why there is one set of laws for free markets and a separate set of laws for governments.

Nobody in Congress or the White House gave customers a product in exchange for the customer's money.  Therefore, the laws that govern such transaction in the marketplace do not apply.  But then, you already know that, don't you.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 00:22 | 4164139 Odd Ball
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Nobody in Congress or the White House gave customers a product in exchange for the customer's money.  Therefore, the laws that govern such transaction in the marketplace do not apply.  But then, you already know that, don't you.

Obfuscation attempts aside, the legislation was fraudulently "sold" to voters through repeated lies.  Each of the key selling points (keep your plan, keep your doctor, save $2,500) were lies.  The lies were enough to secure passage of the law, which never would have passed without the lies.  And the law in fact does require "customers" to purchase a product in exchange for money.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:05 | 4165549 RichardP
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The ACA was not passed and signed into law, nor was it ruled constitutional, by the voters.  Why do you keep talking like they were snookered?  The passage of the ACA had nothing to do with the voters, so what does it matter (in terms of market-place fraud) whether they were lied to or not?  For the moment, let's assume the voters were lied to: if they had been told the "truth", what difference would that have made in the ACA beeing passed, signed into law, and ruled constitutional.  The voters were not party to these activities, and so fraud on the voters is not a relevant issue here.

I'm not supporting the ACA here.  I'm supporting logic and knowing how things actually work.

Tue, 11/19/2013 - 00:54 | 4168539 Odd Ball
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The law was passed by politicians who check back with voters they represent to see how they feel about current legislative issues.  So if a campaign of lies can temporarily tamp down voter angst then it can, and in this case did, have the effect of facilitating the passage of a law that would not have otherwise passed.  I see that with you not a single word may be omitted for brevity.  So pick it apart, solicitor.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:09 | 4163215 lakecity55
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"If you don't like your Obama you must keep your Obama."

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 19:55 | 4163602 machineh
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If you don't like your Obowelmovement, you must flush twice -- it's a long way to Washington!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:10 | 4163218 jmcoombs
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Strikes me as an admission by Obama himself that government doesn't work but that the private sector does.  So why is government then involved in heathcare at all?  Is it going to deliver heathcare any better than it produced a disastrous website?  If so, why would that possibly be the case? 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:09 | 4163355 Ropingdown
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Strikes me as Obama trying to get us all to forget that CMS blew off three of the four bids to handle the program, and handed it to the one company with a Sr.VP that was Michele's sorority mate.  They simply pushed that cumbersome bureaucracy aside.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 20:53 | 4163748 RichardP
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Is it going to deliver heathcare any better ...?

The Federal Government does not deliver healthcare (outside of the VA system).  It only regulates it.  The private sector delivers healthcare.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 19:10 | 4163495 remoran
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Obama's explaination of tech is really sad but then again, government does not understand tech at any reasonalble level. Between the lobbyists, glad handers and know nothings who bid on a job (, FBI, f 35 etc., etc.) the ones with the connections get the work no matter if they lack the smarts to do the job. In every way, The Mythical Man Month of Fred Brooks is patently ignore, which means us rube continually get screwed by inept polticians on the take and a system so hyper politiciezed as to preclude anything of substance to be done at any meaningful level. 

Knowing a little about tech, I can tell you the was doomed from the start, what's unreal is that Obama did not ask any questions as to how things were going when getting to roll out tie disaster known as obamacare. 

End of rant.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 20:57 | 4163759 RichardP
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... us rube continually get screwed by inept polticians on the take and a system so hyper politiciezed as to preclude anything of substance to be done at any meaningful level.

I think the efficient war machine and the NSA are but two examples that put the lie to your statement.  I think both the war machine and the NSA are pretty damn good at what they do.  Both created by the interplay among politicians, Federal workers, and private contractors.


Mon, 11/18/2013 - 07:48 | 4164487 overmedicatedun...
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richardp, likes war and nsa, and ACA...fascist trifecta.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:37 | 4165685 RichardP
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Seriously??  Pointing out two (out of many) instances where the interplay among politicians, Federal workers, and private contractors works well means I like war? NSA? ACA?

Why do you feel the need to brand me rather than simply respond to the argument made?  My argument stands, regardless of what my personal likes and dislikes are.


Mon, 11/18/2013 - 00:17 | 4164174 bh2
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"Liberals don't care what you do as long as it is mandatory." -- Krauthammer

It is not a contradiction that the left know perfectly well more government will be vastly wasteful (and bankrupting, if necessary). It is only important that citizens have only approved choices -- and the fewer the better.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 08:33 | 4164527 Randoom Thought
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Nothing new.

From my experience, government contractors are laughably less efficient than commercial companies. Why? Because they have established a picket fence of rules and regulations that must be followed to obtain government business that are so expensive and esoteric that only they can afford to do them.

The government traps people with laws, rules and regulations that no one can possibly follow so that they have the upper hand at all times. Government contractors trap the government with those very same laws, rules and regulations (with a sprinkle of corrupt revolving door personal relationships) so that it is completely impossible for the government to be efficient and ethical and work for the benefit of the general populace.

The entire relationship is based on mutually assured malinvestment (it is not maliciously so, but maybe greedily so)  ... and yet many, many people are employed on both sides maintaining this system. IMO, it cannot be fixed until the government fails and everything is rebuilt from scratch.

I used to work for a company that was acquired by one of the large defense system integrators (our businesses were partially commercial and partially defense). I used to enjoy my job because it was a mentally healthy balance of productive work along with some work maintaining the system. After we were acquired, my job completely changed to being almost completely one of maintaining the systems, which while being "cough, cough" state-of-the-art were extremely inefficient and unproductive.

... and while I don't think much of Obumbdumb as an actor, playing out his US destructive elitist communist fantasy, I can relate to his getting the most expensive piece of state-of-the-art, non-functional software that fiat money can buy. However, he should consider that if he gets his way, then ALL US business and service will be as efficient and customer oriented as the already socialized US government/government contractor relationship. That is what happened in the Soviet Union, right? More and more of a declining set of resources had to go toward supporting inefficient systems until there was nothing left for the people and country.

For those who work in a large bureaucracy, please understand that work can be fulfilling and enjoyable and not just something that fills time and delivers a paycheck.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:12 | 4165318 roadhazard
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How do you go, "way over cost" doing fucking 1's and 0's.

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