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Israel Working With Saudi Arabia On Iran "Contingency" Attack

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When last week's Iran nuclear talks were blocked by France, it provided a useful glimpse into just who it was that would benefit politically from a continuation of the regional confrontation. But while the French sabotage was an amusing distraction, it revealed a curious shift in middle-east alliances, namely old "enemies" Israel and Saudi Arabia, both feeling shunned by Big Brother, suddenly becoming the best of buddies. It was only a matter of time before this novel alliance moved beyond just paper and tested how far it could go in real life. Said test may come far sooner than expected: according to the Sunday Times, Israel's Mossad and Saudi Arabia are planning an attack against Iran if negotiations and talks don't come to an agreement, and that Saudia Arabia will permit Israel to use their air space for an attack on Iran including full technical support.

According to the Sunday Times, the Saudis would assist an Israeli attack by cooperating with the use of drones, rescue helicopters, and tanker planes. "Once the Geneva agreement is signed, the military option will be back on the table. The Saudis are furious and are willing to give Israel all the help it needs,” said the paper citing an unnamed official.

The flipside is that by pursuing an outright attack of Iran, the new Israel-Saudi axis would implicitly go against the wishes of not only Russia but, if John Kerry's detente posture is to be believed, that of the US itself.

Israel's PM Natanyahu naturally knows this, so instead he is merely lobbying for even more political support starting in the one country, France, which has aligned itself with the new Middle East axis, even as Israel's old allies appear to have foresaken it. Jerusalem Post reports:

Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said in an interview with French daily Le Figaro on Saturday that there is a “meeting of the minds” between Israel and the “leading states in the Arab world” on the Iran issue – “one of the few cases in memory, if not the first case in modern times."

 

“We all think that Iran should not be allowed to have the capacities to make nuclear weapons,” he said. “We all think that a tougher stance should be taken by the international community. We all believe that if Iran were to have nuclear weapons, this could lead to a nuclear arms race in the Middle East, making the Middle East a nuclear tinderbox.”

 

Saying that an Iran with nuclear arms would be the most dangerous development for the world since the mid-20th century, and stressing that the “stakes are amazing,” Netanyahu urged the world’s leaders to pay attention “when Israel and the Arabs see eye-to-eye.”

 

“We live here,” he said. “We know something about this region. We know a great deal about Iran and its plans. It’s worthwhile to pay attention to what we say.”

 

Netanyahu made the comments as French President Francois Hollande was set to arrive in Israel for talks on Iran on Sunday.

In the meantime, Iran which suddenly finds itself the creme of the international diplomatic circle and is in full compliance with what the US demands, is explaining - via RT - just why a joint attack on its by supposedly former enemies will not happen:

 Iranian political analyst Seyed Mohammad Marandi told RT that an imminent joint attack on Iran was unlikely given the serious ramifications it could provoke for the region.

 

“It is highly unlikely that the Saudis and Israelis would want to attack Iran because at the end of the day both countries would be losers, they would be seen as aggressors and obviously the Iranians would retaliate,” Marandi told RT.

 

Although he consented that the Saudis and Israelis have been moving closer together lately, neither of them stood to gain from attacking Iran.

 

“It would create an economic catastrophe for the world and only the Saudis and the Israelis would be to blame,” said Marandi.

Then again, considering a GDP-boosting economic catastrophe (recall the main reason the US wanted war with Syria is to boost the defense spending budget which lately has been in freefall) is precisely what the Fed and the Congressional muppetmasters want, we wouldn't sleep too soundly if we were in the Ayatollah's shoes. Especially now that thanks to Reuters the entire world, and certainly the NSA, know just where all his rainy day funds are located. Because while it is true that neither Israel nor Saudi would gain from attacking Iran, the US most certainly would. And now it has not one but two proxy countries in the region doing its bidding.

 

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Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:31 | 4162221 The Gooch
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"...the new Israel-Saudi axis"

That's rich.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:36 | 4162232 GetZeeGold
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Let's go kill those guys, and we'll worry about killing each other later.

 

Hey it worked during WW2......just sayin.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:38 | 4162241 CH1
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ALL governments are amoral brute beasts.

Religious affiliation is merely a tool to get the suckers (err, populace) to comply.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:04 | 4162275 AlaricBalth
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Israel and Saudi Arabia bilaterally planning to attack another middle eastern country is an outrage!

Bombing those people is the US's franchise and is clearly a violation of Section 4 of the Clayton Anti-Trust Act. The MIC should immediately file suit in a federal district court due to "injury in their business or property".

Our Lawyer in Chief should immediately litigate on behalf of the MIC. That ought to scare the Saudi-Israeli War Corporation.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:13 | 4162286 Running On Bing...
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Hey where did israel get all that nice war equipment?

Oh, they bought it for $1 from the USSA after their middle east conflicts, Iraq, Afghanistan. What's that you say, it was approved by congress critters and internal .gov employees who hold dual US/israel citizenship and brokered by israeli friends in aipac. It was 'just too expensive to ship that stuff home'.

I don't know about any of that. Sounds like a big fat lie.

Over.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:17 | 4162298 johnQpublic
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it seems as though nobody in the war machine will be happy until nobody is left

 

long sticks and stones

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:31 | 4162319 Max Hunter
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Saudi Royal family and nuttyahoo agree. Stop the presses. The sad part is the number of people that he will reach in the US with that stupid ass statement.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:39 | 4162331 LetThemEatRand
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The Saudi Royal family has been going along with this kind of stuff for decades.  Up until now, they hid it from their population since most of the population would be none to happy about it.  But I guess if no one else will start a war to protect their royal hindends from allowing Iran to defend itself with nuclear weapons, they'll have to finally come out from behind the shadows and do the dirty work themselves.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:50 | 4162343 Keyser
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Hmm, the Arabs and the Jews do make strange bedfellows. I wonder which one is the pitcher and which is the catcher? 

 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:57 | 4162355 aint no fortuna...
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"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" just became "The friend of my friend is my enemy."

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:31 | 4162436 Herd Redirectio...
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Rumors out of the Middle East have for decades speculated that the House of Saud has Jewish origins.  All the worst (and extreme) forms of Islam originate where?  All terrorism funding originates where?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 13:28 | 4162586 john39
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yes, wake up and smell the crypto zionists people.  Infiltration is their specialty, in case you didn't notice...  they can pose as any religion, any nationality... they are amoral and bent on one end power.     Now that the house of Saud is out in the open aligning with israel, the end is near for them.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 13:46 | 4162651 john39
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meanwhile, freak floods hit saudi arabia...  someone getting a message?:

http://rt.com/news/saudi-arabia-rare-flooding-844/

the lightening strike pic says it all.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:11 | 4162720 knukles
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Lemme see here...
Between KSA with the oil and Israel with the military clout, seems that the Obie administration's gonna wind up with the Somalian pirates for their closest ally in the ME

Nice Job Obie

The Cloward Piven, NWO Plan Working Perfectly!
The Cloward Piven, NWO Plan Working Perfectly!
The Cloward Piven, NWO Plan Working Perfectly!
 

Another Conspiracy Theory Bites the Dust


If you like your Middle East peace you can keep your Middle East peace
I did it all by myself.

what am I missing here?

Oh yeah...

It didn't happen unilaterally, so he'll veto it.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:17 | 4162908 wee-weed up
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But The Obungler would love to have a nice big diversion...

To take the heat off him and his collossal failure of a health care plan...

And get something else on the front pages of the press.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:59 | 4163038 Cruel Aid
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While being completely above and removed from it... LR head shake.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 13:53 | 4162680 TBT or not TBT
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I think you're thinking of the fictional Sith and their whole darkside thing, which stories were written for adolescent boys, soooo maybe you like adolescent boys?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:00 | 4162705 john39
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the most popular stories and movies usually have one thing in common... they capture some underlying truth in a way that the masses can relate to:

"Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."
- Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin in a speech to the Knesset quoted in "Begin and the Beasts," New Statesman, June 25, 1982 by Amnon Kapeliouk

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:16 | 4162749 Suisse
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Menachem Begin never said that, it is a made up quote.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:21 | 4162773 john39
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maybe, maybe not... unless you were there and recorded it, how would you prove it either way?  In any event, it would seem foolish to deny that zionism is simply a form or racial/ethinic supremism.  Michael Hoffman has covered this topic extensively:

http://revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:03 | 4163205 Clashfan
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Fake quotes don't help prove the important and, in this thread, nearly forgotten point that the House of Saud may well be Jewish (or Khazar, whatever). This is more than rumor. Our forces liberated information from the Iraqi intel files which support it; other historical references support it, too.

For the record, I'm not claiming to know. It is beyond rumor, though, and it would explain a lot.

Some of the historical allegations can be found here: http://www.truedemocracy.net/hj33/08.html

And the info on the Americans finding this in Sadaam's gov's files can be found here:
http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2011/10/17/2002-iraqi-intel-reporte...

These are just sources I'm tossing up quickly, btw. A better, more patient search will likely produce more credible and more contemplative sources.

One other point, though, is about the whole Medina thing. It's not only a funky, cold song, but it's also an interesting word/place/name for Shriners' certificates if you know what I mean. Just sayin'.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 20:13 | 4163633 bilejones
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And just how do you propose to prove your claim?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:08 | 4162726 kchrisc
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Any race too!

The NAACP was founded by Jews, only one original board member was black, W.E.B. Web, and for the first 66 years all of its presidents were white 'tribe' members. Look it up.

Not just "infiltrators" but "dividers" as well.

I have always wondered where the antisemitism that the Nazis took advantage of came from, not just in Germany, but all of Europe. Every year I understand more.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:26 | 4162930 TahoeBilly2012
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You call them "tribe"... I call them "East German Bankers". Funny how you get down votes when commentors expose the Zionist cabal, but the downvoters never actually deny or comment against, they just say "racist"! Please dear deniers of thye Zionist conpiracy, enlighten us as to how what we; see, hear or read, is all a figment of our imagination...to go along with your down votes.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:07 | 4163212 Clashfan
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It's because not all Jews are in on it, and the Jewish zionists could not do it by themselves. They need more/equally powerful groups to go along w/it, for sure. They need the WASPish, white, NE mafia; they need the royal bloodlines; they need WASPish Freemasonry (especially in the South), etc.

Implying that a small group of Jews rules the world all by itself is stupid. Understanding luciferianism, why it supports zionism, and why it reveres certain bloodlines, then, is a whole different kind of explanation.

The term, "luciferian zionism," then, is more appropriate, specific.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 14:46 | 4162836 snodgrass
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The House of Saud is Jewish.  Second, the Saudis don't want anyone horning in on their business of selling oil. Iran is a competitor.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:53 | 4163021 TahoeBilly2012
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Christ are the Bush's Jews too? Maybe everyone is but me...now THAT is a conspiracy!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:09 | 4163216 Clashfan
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No, the Bushes, like the rest of the NE elite, are closet satanists, rather luciferian zionists. Skull and Bones? Bohemian Grove?

Russell Trust? Lots to learn here.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:09 | 4162895 screw face
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+1 long

 

short GE

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 00:51 | 4164238 Flagit
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i have a patent that turns Turbins, into lightning rods.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:52 | 4162262 RSloane
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Given the horribly crippling sanctions the US has levied against Iran there is no need for killing them directly.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:10 | 4162279 GetZeeGold
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Obama Secretly Loosened Sanctions on Iran

 

"A review of Treasury Department notices reveals that the U.S. government has all but stopped the financial blacklisting of entities and people that help Iran evade international sanctions since the election of its president, Hassan Rouhani, in June."

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/11/08/obama_secretly_loosened_sanctions_on_iran.html

 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:13 | 4162288 RSloane
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Their currency entered a state of hyperinflation long ago. Their overall personal and state purchasing power is and has been in the tank. Wake me when the US releases all of the Iranian money/investments they confiscated.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:25 | 4162306 GetZeeGold
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Yeah....but it was reported that they're within months of a device. Yes, like we're been hearing last 4 years now.

 

At some point.....time is just up.....cause you sure as hell don't want to strike after they have a nuke.

 

Understand I'm not picking sides here....I'm just sayin.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:35 | 4162325 Herodotus
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We didn't launch a preemptive attack on North Korea.  They now have the bomb.  What's the difference?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:47 | 4162338 reload
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since you ask - NK is next door to China, and is not a major Oil producer. I am guessing you knew that anyway.

Its a great question though, sadly not one you will find coming out of a TV screen. 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:34 | 4162439 Herd Redirectio...
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South Africa had nukes from about 1980 to the early 90s, and the world didn't come to an end then either.  Nukes are purely a deterrent.  The objective of war has ALWAYS been to seize property, valuables, assets, belongings.  Scorched Earth is one thing.  Salting the Earth, or nuking it, is another.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:28 | 4162938 Jack Burton
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Israel had a tight alliance with South Africa in the 1970-80's until black took back their country. The Israeli's built nuclear weapons on SA soil and gave SA a share. They even detonated a Israeli nuke out at sea to make sure Israel's nukes aimed at all European capitals will work on Judgement Day. SA did admit their program and eliminate the bombs they had under internatioal observation. The US approved of the alliance and aided it with money and technology.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 23:04 | 4164039 snodgrass
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S. Africa only became a country because of the Boers. They made the mistake of bringing in and allowing in Africans as workers. Blacks have now taken over the country and turned it into another third world shithole.

 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 14:41 | 4165987 Jack Burton
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This is true snodgrass. Once the Boers began to establish a real economy with minerals and farming, the blacks migrated south to seek work that black africa could not provide. One problem was when Britain attacked and captured SA from the Boers. It was a grab for mineerals and a naval base. Boers suffered a WWII style gnocide at the hands of Britain. It was British pressure that helped force Boers to surrender their country to the labor force of blacks. Media ignores what is going on there, but crime is reaching such levels that white skin is not a good thing to have. It says Target. Reverse racism is always supported by liberal minded folks, why I do not know, revenge.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:22 | 4163263 Clashfan
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Excepting, of course, a few meaningless towns in Japan, meaningless islands and peoples in the S Pacific, and useless desert and film stars in the US, etc.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:26 | 4162415 WOAR
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WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?!?

Well, North Korea is a proxy for China. That's the difference. We can't attack them without provoking a response from China.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:23 | 4162922 wee-weed up
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Herodotus  We didn't launch a preemptive attack on North Korea.  They now have the bomb.

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You can thank the extremely naive Clintoon Admin and...

Madeline Half-Bright for the Norks getting the bomb.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:48 | 4163167 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You can thank the extremely naive Clintoon Admin and...

Madeline Half-Bright for the Norks getting the bomb.

Donny Rumsfeld's hands are dirty as well.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/rummy-s-north-korea-connection

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:38 | 4162330 RSloane
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I remember reading about their nuclear capability being operational any minute now for years. Iran is a relatively rich oil and gas country that is too poor to build all of the refining capabilities it needs to become fuel independent. It sought remedy in nuclear power. I do not believe that any state, nor any group of states, has the right to dictate to a nation what type of engery it can and cannot pursue. That should be wholly the decision of the state and its citizens.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:09 | 4162376 cossack55
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Just have Japan site their nuke plants and have GE build their reactors and the Iranians will all die from radiation poisoning within 2 years.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:22 | 4162406 FeralSerf
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The world, especially the west coast of North America, would have been much better off if Japan hadn't been allowed to have nuclear fueled energy production.

That said, Israel is upwind from Iran.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:25 | 4162926 kchrisc
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Iran is doomed.

They want to sell oil outside the Petrodollar, are of the competing Shia and not Sunni branch of Islam, have proxies in Southern Lebanon that are blocking Israel's desire to take the waters of the Litani basin for themselves, are allied with the Syrians which are blocking the Saudis' pipeline to Europe and control the water on the Golan that the Israelis want, etc.

The Israelis and the Saudis have only one problem to solve before attacking, and that is how to "Pearl Harbor" or "Lusitania" the US into doing the dirty work for them. If you live in an major city in the US, move.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:31 | 4162946 Jack Burton
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kchrisc, +100, You have nailed it. Such is the case! We American people will pay the price. Both in the false flag terror attack and in the war our kids will be made to fight for Israel's greater power and glory. After all, god set them up as his chosen, America is obligated to fight on god's side.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:32 | 4162950 snodgrass
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Iran has some new friends - the Chinese and Russians. The attack on Libya and proposed on Iran is about derailing Gasprom. I don't think the Russians will let that happen.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:14 | 4163079 TahoeBilly2012
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Or Israhell is doomed. I don't have Iranian's running my Congress, financial system and extremely pathetic entertainment complex which is making me want to flee my own Country. Not sure I want Iranian's running those parts of my world either...how about some Norwegian's?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 00:57 | 4164251 Flagit
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I do not believe that any state, nor any group of states, has the right to dictate to a nation what type of engery it can and cannot pursue. That should be wholly the decision of the state and its citizens.

 

whos the new guy?

and welcome to planet Earth.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:23 | 4163103 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Yeah....but it was reported that they're within months of a device. Yes, like we're been hearing last 4 years now.

We've been hearing it for nearly thirty years, since at least 1984.

At some point.....time is just up.....cause you sure as hell don't want to strike after they have a nuke.

Yes, and you don't want to strike when both US and Israeli intelligence agree that there is no Iranian nuclear weapon program, because that would be terrorism and murder.

So I agree, time is just up, and nobody likes a bully. The US government needs to grow up, take the threat of military action off the table, and engage in good faith negotiations to resolve this manufactured crisis.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:18 | 4163251 Clashfan
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+1, sorry, my shitizenism saw post of yours after post of mine responding to above Americanism. How you note, though, second mine post dates sordid nuclear warnings Iran to 1979, year of much auspicism. How you?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:35 | 4163418 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Nuclear paranoiac Netanyahuism has been blobbing up since 1992.

http://original.antiwar.com/giraldi/2013/08/14/who-is-the-wolf-in-sheeps...

Given Netanyahu's pattern of threats, warmongering, "annexation" of territory, and his sordid past,

http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2010/04/13/americas-loose-nukes-...

http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2012/07/03/netanyahu-worked-insi...

you really have to wonder if his claims of <nemesis du jour> being the new Hitler aren't just the psychological projections of a sociopath.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:00 | 4162273 linniepar
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This song never gets old.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_nbDJoC58w

 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:42 | 4162457 czardas
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But no one ever answers the question, Ok, we have an agreement, Iran gets a bomb (what sane person thinks they're developing energy resources?) and uses it.  What then?  I think that is a legitimate quesiton and not an occasion for screaming about Zionists taking over Mars.  I'd like to know what folks really think.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:18 | 4163054 GetZeeGold
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Well, according to the fellas (and that's all that really matters here) from Iran....nuking Tel Aviv would bring back the Mahdi. They win.....the end.

 

Now those fellas are true believers. So the chances they'll actually do it....is about 100%.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 16:57 | 4163196 h0oS
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The only irrational actor in this game is Israel as it is knows it's time is limited. The Iranian people have been present in the region as long as the Jews and both will remain in the region long after the Zionists have disappeared into obscurity. One has to be utterly naive to believe the Iranian's will destroy themselves over religious matters.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:46 | 4163314 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Ok, we have an agreement, Iran gets a bomb (what sane person thinks they're developing energy resources?) and uses it.

US and Israeli intelligence both concede that there is no evidence of an Iranian nuclear weapon program. When the Iranians announced their intent to enrich uranium to 20 percent U-235, they explicitly stated that the purpose was to provide fuel for the Tehran Research Reactor. They've recently stopped the 20 percent enrichment as they now have enough to fabricate into fuel plates for the TRR.

What then?  I think that is a legitimate quesiton and not an occasion for screaming about Zionists taking over Mars.  I'd like to know what folks really think.

What then? You might as well have said:

Ok, we have an agreement, Iran builds a death ray base on the moon (what sane person thinks they're developing space flight to launch satellites?) and uses it.  What then?

It might be found by some to be a scary prospect, but not one based in reality.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:56 | 4163322 akak
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We have to fight the Iranian lunar death ray over there, so they don't build an Iranian lunar death ray over here.

 

For the children!

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 01:04 | 4164256 Flagit
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 I'd like to know what folks really think.

 

honestly?

i think its all smoke and mirrors to cover the fact that there were 3 core breaches and a dead pacific ocean.

watching ed norton punch himself in the face is funny and all,

but watching a starfish have a death-match with itself before melting into primordial ooze.....not soo much.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:24 | 4163270 Clashfan
Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:05 | 4162367 CPL
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http://rt.com/news/saudi-arabia-rare-flooding-844/

Doesn't look like things will let up for a while.  Going to be VERY expensive to rebuild an entire city.  I think Dubai could be next....all that capital investment gone.  Just terrible...maybe they could ask Israel for a hand rebuilding instead of planning on bombing. 

Estimated damage to the Saudi capital would be equal to all the damage and havoc they've caused.  Eye's for eye's and all that with a karma cherry on top.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:41 | 4162243 thunderchief
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I used to think the Israelies were the good guys.  Now I find out they are just a bunch of money grubbing religious fanatic, wahabist ball licking assholes.  Chutzpa Putzes...Did I spell that right?  Who cares, I surely don't care about anyone in that region anymore.  Let's start buying Iranian oil too.  Full trade relations.  Throw in Cuba too.  That will boost the USA economy!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:45 | 4162254 Abi Normal
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Why the hate bra? Generalizations are just that...we don't live in a world of all or nothing - too much gray my friend.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:55 | 4162349 Keyser
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You can only cover up for the bully down the street for so long when he fucks with everyone in the neighborhood. Especially if he only represents about 1% of the total population of the region and he has been found pissing in your back yard too.  

 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:50 | 4162470 Abi Normal
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So Israel is a bully yes?  They are not defending themselves at all are they?  There are no other perpetrators of evil in the region you say...how quaint.

It takes all kinds to dance my friend, you just happen to leave out half of the equation is all...no worries though, you are entitled to your opinion.  There are no driods to see here, move along.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:37 | 4163424 Wen_Dat
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Oh yes they say it's defence, they say it's decency,
Mai Lai, Hiroshima, know what I mean?
The same fucking lies with depressing frequency

 

crass

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 19:24 | 4163525 Mitzibitzi
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To be fair, some of it probably IS defence. If someone is shooting at you, it's pretty normal to shoot back. The rest of the time, well.....

There's also a time-honoured tactic used where standing orders say you can only fire in self defence, so you get one of your guys to quietly kick off the firefight from cover in a different fire axis to the one the main body of your troops occupies. The 'bad guys' are naturally curious about who just shot one of them and the only likely candidates are you guys, so they start shooting at you. Thus enabling you to return fire in self defence. And any observers, unless they were paying really close attention will all verify that the 'bad guys' started the fight.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:29 | 4162428 Anusocracy
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When it comes to initiating aggression, it is all black and white.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:07 | 4163207 h0oS
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Occupiers have no rights only responsibilities. It is irrational to expect anyone to sympathise with your actions when you break the principle of reciprocity and calling yourself the victim when attempting to steal and kill from people, that's just plain evil.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:17 | 4163248 3laz3r
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Wow I can't believe you still have to point this out to people...Since when was it self defence when you are the occupiers...I come to your home beat and rob you and rape your moms.  Then I claim the right to self defence when you try to butt fuck me...really?  What did you expect.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:18 | 4163253 h0oS
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Yeh, you have be the mother of all cunts to claim to be the victim after pedoing some innocent kid.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:53 | 4162264 kito
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Don't blame all Israelis for Netanyahus ways. Many Israelis do not want or find need for war with Iran. Netanyahu is a neocon war hawk in the mold of Cheney rummy and Bush. In fact, he has sought counsel from Bush's advisors many times. He was getting very close with Romney during the elections, and as we know, many of Romneys advisors were bush neocons.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:21 | 4162292 mofreedom
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Without pre-emptive war Israel is a grease spot and their blood is not on my hands, but the hands of many US irrelgious jews and other commies and frankly those that don't believe a country has a right to exist and/or defend itself.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:17 | 4162296 VD
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Israel as nation is destablizing evil force; do not confuse Jews with this sociopathic grand chessboard WWIII gambit(s).

 

And Saudi Arabia is responsible for 9-11, along wit the CIA [and Mossad] so extrapolate accordingly.

 

Fucked up!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:02 | 4162364 Keyser
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Yeah, a ruse to get the American people behind an invasion in the ME. All in the name of expanding western hegemony and "democracy" throughout the ME. As with most government operations, they screwed the pooch and have left a mess in their wake. The ME is far more destablized today than ever before, all thanks to the Israelis and the US. And lets not overlook the real reason the US is still in Afghanistan, to control the opium trade. We live in a fucked up world of lies and deception where there is no difference between the bad guys and the government as they are one in the same. 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:30 | 4163283 Clashfan
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Russo, of course, explained all of this (before he died) in a fantastic interview, telling how Nick Rockefeller tried to recruit him into the illuminati, how Rockefeller told him that 911 was an inside job (before it happened--"There will be an event"), and that after the event soldiers would be looking in caves in Afghanistan, that there would be real war because people would fight back after an invasion, but that there were actually no terrorists, that the war on terror was all a planned hoax. Fascinating stuff.

Will the real terrorizers please stand up?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:44 | 4162461 Darth Mul
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Saudi Arabia, really?

 

Pretty sure it was the Saudis that provided the patsies, and that's about it.

 

Mostly a DoD, Office of Special Plans and Mossad job.  I'm not even sure CIA was involved.  Why are you?

 

http://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 13:55 | 4162687 The Heart
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" http://wikispooks.com/wiki/9/11:Israel_did_it "

PRETTY AWESOME LINK DARTH. THANKS!

 PASS IT ON AND ON AND ON UNTIL ALL KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ONE OF THE MOST HORRENDOUS CRIMINAL ACTS IN HISTORY.

HOW THIS BLATANT CRIME GOES ON UNPUNISHED IS BEYOND REASON OR RHYME. WHEN CRIME IS ALLOWED TO RUN RAMPANT LIKE THIS...SOON AFTER IT IS THE FALL OF MANKIND. IF ANY KID IN BABYLONINA GETS CAUGHT WITH A LITTLE POT, WHAM! JAILED AND INCORPORATED INTO THE BONDING SLAVE TRADES OF THE LEGAL SYSTEM. TALK ABOUT SOCIAL INJUSTICE. LEAST US NOT TO FORGET THAT UNDER THE TOTALITARIAN PATRIOT ACT, EVEN JAY-WALKING IS A TERRORIST ACT.

NOTE TO CREW: PASS THIS LINK OUT TO EVERY BLOG AND READERSHIP ON THE PLANET BEFORE THESE WACKOS DO ANOTHER FALSE FLAG EVENT TO DO ONLY GOD KNOWS WHAT. ANY ORGANIZATION THAT STARTS WARS USING LIES, FALSE FLAG EVENTS, AND DECEPTIONS, DESERVES TO BURN IN HELL. ON EARTH!

IF THESE CRAZIES ARE ALLOWED TO DO ANY KIND OF ATTACK ON INNOCENT IRAN, THEN RUSSIA WILL TURN ISREAL AND SADEE ARABUIA INTO GLASS PARKING LOTS. ONE BIG BEAR-SHIT...AND THEN NO MORE ISREALLY WARMONGERS. THE WORLD WILL REJOICE AND SING ABOUT THE NEW AGE OF ONE WORLD OF BEAUTIFUL PEOPLES WITHOUT THESE EVIL THINGS THAT ONLY KOW-TOW TO THE MONEY-GOD PUPPET MASTERS, AND WARMONGERS FOR THE PROFITS AND POPULATION REDUCTION AGENDAS OF A FEW.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:53 | 4162480 Abi Normal
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Yeah, it's all Isreal's fault, just like it was all Bush's fault, that is pretty lame of you.  There is plenty of evil to go around over there, yet you see only Israel as to blame. 

Do they not have a right to their homeland? They could share a little better with the Pals, but in the long run, they have every right to that piece of land they have fella, and there nothing you or I can do about that.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:51 | 4163019 bilejones
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Do they not have a right to their homeland?

 

They do not have a right to the Palestinians homeland.

 

Why should the people of Palestine be destroyed because of what the Germans did to a bunch of other Europeans?

 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:16 | 4163243 h0oS
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WTF...no one has the right to steal, kill, rape, plunder and murder. If you want to share your home with someone go right ahead, you have no right to give away the Palestinians homes away...k'inhell...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:33 | 4162438 Kirk2NCC1701
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The problem is NuttyNYahoo alright, and his damn Likud Party running the show over there. 

And the oily Shrubs are butt-smuggling-deep* with the Bandar Shrub clan on all their mutually-beneficial oily interests.

Not everyone in Israel agrees -- just like many in the US don't agree with Obama -- but that's the nature of politics and people.  Just to give one example, the Neturei Karta Jews are totally opposed to NuttyNYahoo and his Likud Neocons... http://www.nkusa.org/index.cfm

* metaphoric reference to yesterday's article about the gold smuggling guy.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:53 | 4162481 Darth Mul
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Neoconservatism is nothing but Fifth Columnist Zionism, i.e. using American blood and treasure to make the world safer for the Land of {Greater} Israel.  There is nothing conservative about them, and the only thing they took from Strauss, was the notion that an 'elite' {self-defined - sound familiar?} should lie to the masses.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article178638.html

Daddy Kristol never moved from 'left' to 'right'  - his assessment of what would help Jews and Israel did.  Strauss spent most of his life proving he didn't understand Plato, and his Judaism essentially substituted for an understanding of the Greeks.  If you can get anything other than philosophical quakery out of his bloviated gibberish, you're probably a professor at Brown.

Who lied us into Iraq?  Jewish neocons:  http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2004/01/lie-factory

Sorry, pal, I understand your vantage point.  It ain't you, or most Jews, but it is the religious nuts and the right wingers - of which there are too many.

You all might want to read up:  http://www.globalresearch.ca/greater-israel-the-zionist-plan-for-the-mid...

We're literally in a situation where we'll let another war get going which could, in theory, kill millions, because we're afraid to admit that we have a {right wing} Jewish Problem - in Israel, and in the tentacular lobbies that buy and cajole the governments of the US, Britain, France, Canada, Australia and elsewhere. 

 

Netanyahu may indeed be the antichrist.

 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:04 | 4162884 The Heart
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" Netanyahu may indeed be the antichrist. "

Batting 1000 today Darth!

Notice in this video how they use the money-god to talk with. Is this their kind of magik? Blah blah blah..here's some money-god..blah blah blah..here's some moar money-god to empower my statements...blah blah blah. Looks a lot like graft.

What a farce and high expression of the total stupidity of these clowns that actually have the audacity to think, THEY have anything to do with a Messiah coming. These clowns, no, asshats fits these pointed heads a little better, but these asshats would not know the Messiah if he, or she, came up and smacked them in the face with a two-by-four. Same same with most christians. All brainwashed into thinking some guy is going to come down on a magic carpet ride to forgive them all after leading wretched lives of wantonness, profiteering, and cruelty to their fellow spiritual beings. There is NO forgiveness or salvation for the constant warmongering, and NO amount of fabricated flabbergasting justification is going to change this FACT!

Sadly, what many humans have not had a chance to do, is to have the actual hands on experiencing of the real spiritual side of life. Those who have experimented with psychoactive substances will understand this statement perfectly. The real earth medicine of Shamanism and the ways of the South American Ayahuasceros, is the closest resemblance of all traditional religions left today. Goes back to Atlantis. Or better put, the true spiritual path.

What comes down from the other side of the veil is powerful knowledge/light from many other sources besides those of a tainted society of man, or worse, from these warmongering beasts. What comes from there is from a place of absolute LOVE. There is no war, nor hate there. Rather, it is the place of perfect life and where the INSTRUCTION to living in harmony with everything that is can be found.

Seek out to find the truth in your own way. Salvation is NOT in the blabberings of anyone who has not been initiated (taken the spirit walk) into the unseen world of the true multi-dimensionality of forgiveness, and absolute love. When they said that there would be many false prophets in the end times, they did not say they would be found in ALL of today's modern churches. We find the knowledge of true salvation in the Heart!

http://ayahuascasatsangha.org/

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 19:41 | 4163561 FredFlintstone
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You learned all of this from a Peruvian shaman?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:19 | 4162301 Bangin7GramRocks
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I don't care about anyone in any religion.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 13:17 | 4162554 CPL
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It's like engineering standards, there are lots of available standards to pick from.  Common purpose though is sharing an idea that everyone can tinker with and get behind.  Make some friends...have some apple pie.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:06 | 4162370 CPL
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No the people of Israel have been tricked by the same dirt bags that tricked everyone else.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:42 | 4162456 Darth Mul
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Read the Torah why don't you.  That ethos predates "zionism" by 2500 years.

 

People keep saying "zionism" not the Jews.  True enough, it's not most Jewish people, but it's a lot of them.

 

Zionism grew out of Judaism.  That should be clear with even a cursory skim of the Hebrew Bible.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:54 | 4162483 CPL
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By that rationale...here it comes...

Zionism is no more Jewish than the Queen is Christain because of an ancestor deciding by themselves that they were the house of God unto themselves.

There's a couple things in the Torah about things being before God.  If one follows the faith selected, they adhere to it's tenants.  To.  The.  Letter. 

Regardless of intent, the otherside of the line is, point blank, the wrong side of the line to their core faith.  This does not disqualify those that follow a more spiritual path and enjoy the community that is offered with people.  Faith is something that people share with each other, sometimes in celebration and other times in a spiritual sense of connection with one other.  Faith though doesn't have room for hate or force or control.  Not anymore.

If they don't like it, they can adopt something else to believe and stop pretending to follow tenants they were never going to follow anyways.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:44 | 4163311 Clashfan
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Darth, not exactly accurate. Lots of Jews rejected Zionism, repeatedly, before WWI continuing to this day, basing their beliefs on Torah interpretations, mostly saying that God did not do this, man (specifically Rothschild, UK, and Truman) did. Those Jews use that same book to oppose Zionism, so....

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:34 | 4162958 Jack Burton
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thunderchief. As a young US military member, I thought Israel was the good guy. We and them were the same, I admired their military, even wished I could fight in their cause. Granted, I enlisted in the military when I was 17! Young and fucking stupid. As an older and wiser man, I now know Israel for it's true nature, and it is evil.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:23 | 4162312 Boeing Boy
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Yes, only been going since the state of Israel was established.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:04 | 4162365 Keyser
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Yet another Rothschild experiment gone wrong. 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:06 | 4162372 CPL
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Then let's see how we can make it go right instead.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:56 | 4162486 Abi Normal
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How about re-established...they have a right to that land.  

Yeah, I defend Israeli people, not necessarily their govt, to have a place to live, so sue me, LOL.

BTW, it seems ALL governments around the world have gone rogue, so what makes Isreal any different?  

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 22:49 | 4163090 thisandthat
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If everyone was entitled to the land they once occupied, there would be no peace anywhere in the world - ever.

Also, over 95% of jews have no relation whatsoever with biblical jews, and therefore, even less with Palestine (yes, that is what they themselves used to call it, symptomatically) - and that is their own studies.

By the same standard, christians would be entitled to it as well: Christ was from there (and a jew, as well), therefore, over a billion christian people from all over the world should be entitled to move in there, regardless of ethnicity...

Even more interesting, if half the world population (let's not even consider the whole world's population) converted to judaism, over 3.5 billion people would be entitled to live there...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:31 | 4162318 Crash Overide
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Who the fuck ever game permission to any of these countries to build atomic bombs? I don't think anyone should have them...

If Israel is so concerned why don't they give up their nukes to "clear" the region of nuclear threat? I tend to think if they attack Iran, Russia would be involved at some point and Israel and Saudi would not survive.

Who does Bibi speak for?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:05 | 4162368 Keyser
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I could think of worse results. 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:36 | 4162329 Herodotus
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Will the media now refer to them as "the Axis powers"?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:12 | 4162381 prains
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Oligarchs don't answer to borders or religion or politics.......that's just the show for the meeps

 

they answer only to the chalise of power, control, greed, lust and the blood of virgins.....except for maybe Jamie"look at me lick mt own balls" Dimon..... he answers to a size 5 pump in red and a little hair pulling

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:07 | 4163211 Nassim
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There is nothing new about the Saudi-Israeli alliance. Saudi Arabia never was involved in defending Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon against repeated Israeli invasions. It is important to make a distinction between what they say - and tell their people - and what they actually do.

The Saudi Arabian ruling class is entirely at the beck and call of the Israelis. The Israeli Mossad does everything it can to help maintain this "royalist" regime. Their cooperation in intelligence matters has been going on for at least 30 years.

A good read - still - is "The Pirate" by Harold Robins. It came out 40 years ago, but explained what has been going on very well.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:30 | 4162222 22winmag
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GDI vs. NOD

 

Except this is not a game!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:31 | 4162227 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Do Jews or Sunni Muslims hate Shia Muslims more?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:39 | 4162245 CH1
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Do Jews or Sunni Muslims hate Shia Muslims more?

Doesn't much matter. The rulers want control and they'll get their young men to die for it.

Same old, same old.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:19 | 4162303 VD
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the enemy of my enemy is my friend until BLOWBACK TIME; like all the terrorists that the USSA trained, weaponized and paid for came right back at them -- this global GOV control mechanism is as primitive as it is vile: for the 1% to drain the plasma of all the prisoners of the earth.

 

until there is a global revolt against these vestigial yet actively toxic power centers, the planet will continue to be oppressed.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:33 | 4162321 Running On Bing...
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"they'll get their young men to die for it."

Doubt it. Young juice don't go to war, they are the chosen people. Young Americans(non juice) are sent instead.

Over.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 18:32 | 4163408 CPL
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Bingo.  There's going to be some clean up.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:32 | 4162228 rtalcott
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Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_zo0FiNheI

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:44 | 4162251 DaveyJones
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one of my favorite songs

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:07 | 4162373 Keyser
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I think Roger nailed it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaGXVU2CbNs

 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:08 | 4162375 Keyser
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I think Roger nailed it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDM335hK4O8

 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:33 | 4162230 Truther
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BIBI.... You'll always be a BB Pellet. You ain't worth shit.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:34 | 4162233 Red Raspberry
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SA needs Isreal for the pipeline too....

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:40 | 4162235 GetZeeGold
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The battle of the two competing pipelines......place your bets!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:40 | 4162246 CH1
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SA needs Isreal for the pipeline too....

God only knows what goes on in the back rooms.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:35 | 4162963 bilejones
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Sodomy, of course.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:53 | 4162237 JustObserving
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Israeli and US interests often conflict yet Obama signed an agreement handing over all the NSA data collected on Americans (all phone calls, emails, contacts, everything) over to Israel without any legal restrictions in March 2009.  No country spies on its people (Congress, Supreme Court Judges, White House included) and then hands that data to a foreign power. Of course, no US media would report this shocking story (even Zero Hedge ignored it) as it may disturb the sheeple:

A secret memo provided by former National Security Agency (NSA) contractor Edward Snowden to the British Guardian newspaper reveals that the US spy agency is funneling raw intelligence data, including information from intercepted communications of US citizens, to Israeli intelligence.

“The National Security Agency routinely shares raw intelligence with Israel without first sifting it to remove information about US citizens,” theGuardian article by Glenn Greenwald, Laura Poitras and Ewen MacAskill reports.

The undated five-page memo records an agreement reached between the NSA and its Israeli counterpart, the ISNU (Israeli Sigint National Unit), in March 2009, during the first months of the Obama administration.

While insisting that the Israelis operate with deference to the US Constitution and law, the memo adds, “This agreement is not intended to create any legally enforceable rights and shall not be construed to be either an international agreement or a legally binding instrument according to international law.” In other words, in practice ISNU and the Israeli intelligence agency Mossad are free to do as they please.

http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/09/13/surv-s13.html

How many times has Obama sold us down the river?

 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:54 | 4162348 Deo vindice
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From the World Socialist Web Site? Hmmm...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 15:32 | 4162952 bilejones
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You can find it reported by Greenwald

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 13:23 | 4162569 optimator
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So Israel controls and receives all the data collected by the NSA.  Answers a lot of conspiracy theory questions.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:39 | 4162244 The Persistent ...
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Time to turn both these little assholes that have cost us so much in blood and money, into a sea of glass.

Sure solve a lot of the worlds problems.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:40 | 4162248 CH1
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Or, maybe just stop playing the game?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:52 | 4162261 The Persistent ...
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That would be just as effective, but not as much fun. If Fukushima has taught us anything, it has taught us that radiation is our friend. I dont worry about fallout from nukes anymore because Fukushima has turned out to be so harmless.

So bombs away!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:41 | 4162333 Running On Bing...
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Yea, now that all the israeli's have been voted and placed into US office's and judicial positions I think, not so much.

Over.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:16 | 4162391 Keyser
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In my more hawkish youth, I often professed that the solution to the ME problem was to turn it into green glass from Libya to Pakistan. Now that I am older and wiser, I realize we have done far more harm over the decades with US foreign policy than had we just nuked them. If there is a hell, there is a special place reserved just for US politicians. 

 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:40 | 4162247 Global Hunter
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I should send my father this article about 6 months ago he dismissed me as a "conspiracy theorist" for saying that Israel and the Saudis had the same agenda and behind the scenes were allies with a similar agenda.  He didn't hear it on Fox News so it must not be true...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:42 | 4162249 CH1
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Send him the article!

He may be pissed off, but that may be what he needs.

Confronting reality after being conditioned otherwise is a bitch.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:48 | 4162256 Global Hunter
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I will do but he along with many other people seem to be more angry and afraid of people like me (or us, the people that come to ZH for example) than our governments.  They take it personally that we don't believe or accept without questioning the official party line.

Not sure why you received 2 thumbs down on your above post about religion being used to divide men.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:56 | 4162487 Herd Redirectio...
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Primarily due to cognitive dissonance.  Also people somehow hear you saying "I am smarter than you" when you try to provide them with information they did not previously have access to. 

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:50 | 4162259 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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We all know CNN would be a much better source. Wonder if NBC, ABC, or CBS will fight over who gets this on air first?

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:42 | 4162250 nmewn
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Clearly, this calls for Obozo to draw yet another line in the sand somewhere.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:59 | 4162271 RSloane
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Zero does not draw lines in the sand.......he draws crosshairs.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:57 | 4162353 Deo vindice
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Lines. Crosshairs.  Mere technicality.

Aren't crosshairs just two intersecting lines?

Maybe that's what he meant but simply covered it in double-speak.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:17 | 4162395 TheGardener
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Better talk about walking on a knifes edge. Seeking the truth gets you well set on the mountain pass and you will have all the forward vision towards the next peak and the abysses on the way.

Time to search for a suitable cave before winter sets in.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:17 | 4162297 Urban Redneck
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If only Pwesident Stompyfeet had the forweign policy skills of Bugs Bunny-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkzWyOaS8kU

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:18 | 4162300 iLiquid
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If you like your line...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 17:56 | 4163330 Clashfan
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No, it calls for nmewn to show himself for the 911 truth denier that he is. It begs it. Deny the truth again, for all to see.

Many of us can, however, clearly see that Saud and Izrahole worked together on that fateful day, too.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:45 | 4162253 I am Jobe
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Defesnse Contractors are having  wet dreams. So where the F is the Nobel Peace Prize? Fuck this shit already

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:49 | 4162257 Its_the_economy...
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One worried about self-preservation, the other about wealth and power...perfect bedmates.

It would be nice if American blood could stay out of their issues.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:15 | 4162274 rwe2late
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 US government stay out?

The petrodollar and pipelines are hardly Saudi and Israeli issues independent of US involvement.

Both Israel and Saudi Arabia are client states of the US and are protected and promoted because they serve the 'oiligopoly' interests of the US oligarchy.

They each play a symbiotic role as zealous attack dogs in support of the politically useful so-called war on terror.

US leaders just love to have 'plausible deniability' (at least to the average misinformed citizen).

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 12:58 | 4162495 Herd Redirectio...
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The oligarchy is international, and has been since atleast the mid 18th century.  City of London, Wall St., Frankfurt, HK, Shanghai...

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 13:44 | 4162647 rwe2late
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 True that the oligarchs have historically had common interests. But the chief bases of wealth and power for the oligarchs individually have been within a respective nation-state.

That appears to have become much less true since the rise of  so many trans-national organizations and corporations, globalization. The oligarchs seem to be globally wedded to each other more than ever, and less nationalistic. They appear to be mutually dependent for their wealth and power based on global organizations and corporations such as Bilderberg, NATO, the BIS, the IMF, Goldman Sachs, Monsanto, and Toyota.

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 10:49 | 4162258 falak pema
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Hollande in Israel talks firm on stalling Iran "nuclear" option.

Meanwhile at Dubai Air fair, the Boeing Boeing saga goes full throttle with Airbus coming in a distant second.

$$$$... bitchezz.

And, what does this spending plus the military deals WE DONT HEAR ABOUT AS HUSH HUSH, mean in terms of future sabre rattling on Iran?

The stakes get very high when old thieves fall out and new thieves join the round about!

Sun, 11/17/2013 - 11:11 | 4162285 RSloane
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The US just completed a multi billion dollar deal with Saudi Arabia and delivered heavy armaments in exchange for future oil considerations. The weapons were delivered to Saudi Arabia about the same time the CIA delivered weapons to the 'rebels' in Syria. To give this context, it was about the same time that Kerry was telling an incredulous British press that the US would bomb Syria just a little bit - the words he used were "incredibly small" bombing.

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