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Bill Clinton Refuses To Criticize Edward Snowden, Says Next President Should Be A Woman

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Lately Bill Clinton has not been doing the president many favors. First, the "is" definition-challenged former president had some harsh words about Obamacare, and most recently in an overnight question-and-answer session before a standing-room-only crowd in a Beijing hotel ballroom, Clinton who was in Beijing for meetings with China’s President Xi Jinping as well as to promote the work of his New York-based philanthropic organisation, the Clinton Foundation, while withholding comments on Obama - whose approval rating has plunged to an all time low - refused to criticise Edward Snowden. Instead he said he believed it was "perfectly legitimate" for the US government to search “big data pools… to see if there are patterns of communication between certain numbers or sites and others known to be in the possession of terrorist groups”. But he went on, via AFP: “The question is when, if ever, is the government justified in going beyond the patterns to listen to telephone calls, read emails, read text messages, and who’s supposed to decide that? Mr Snowden obviously thought that it was excessive.

He added:

The fact that Snowden was able to receive a top-secret security clearance despite having only been a contractor for several months “made me think that we are on the verge of having the worst of all worlds: We’ll have no security and no privacy”, Clinton added.


“I think the US and China and everybody else, we’re going to have to be more upfront with each other and probably with our own people about what it is we’re looking for and listening to,” he said.

Of course, it is unlikely that anything will change, much to the detriment of US companies with international operations such as Cisco, whose revenues are projected to tumble in big part due to the blowback resulting from the Snowden revelations. Whether this will be a limited, one-time event remains to be seen.

More amusingly, among Clinton's other comments was his speculation on the gender of the next US president.

Former US president Bill Clinton hopes there will be a woman in the White House in his lifetime and will support his wife Hillary in whatever she decides to do, he told a Chinese audience on Monday.


Hillary, who earlier this year stepped down as US secretary of state, has not yet said whether she plans another presidential run after her failed 2008 bid for the Democratic nomination.


“I hope we have a woman president in my lifetime, and I think it would be a good thing for the world as well as for America,” Clinton said at a conference organised by the respected Chinese financial magazine Caijing.


“But I do not know if she’s going to run, and there is no such thing as a sure thing in politics,” he added.


In a question-and-answer session before a standing-room-only crowd in a Beijing hotel ballroom, Clinton, who was president from 1993 to 2001, was asked whether he envisages becoming a “first husband” in the future.


“You know, if I knew the answer to that, I couldn’t say,” he responded. “But I can give you an honest answer: I have no idea.”


He called his wife “the ablest public servant I have ever worked with” and said that he would support her whatever decision she makes on a White House run.


“If that’s what she wants to do, I will support her,” Clinton said. “But if she decides for whatever reason she doesn’t, I will support that.”


“It’s very interesting for us; we still feel young and we still feel healthy,” he added, noting that compared with several decades ago, he believes his wife now is “less motivated… by a fear of failure”.

Naturally, it would only be logical that the first female Fed chair be followed by the first female president. One can only hope, however, that in both cases it is not some gender quota driving the choice but the candidate with the best credentials. Then again, considering the current sorry state of the US economy, one wonders what difference does it make just who the next US president will be.


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Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:19 | 4164836 VD
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Fuck you Billy Boy.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:21 | 4164841 john39
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If globalist Bill Clinton is fluffy Snowden, you have to suspect that Snowden, like Assange, is some type of a set up for events to come.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:25 | 4164852 GetZeeGold
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Bill is just getting it done this week!


He's supporting the public that's getting scammed and supporting patriots.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:25 | 4164866 krispkritter
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 'Says Next President Should Be A Woman'  That rules out Hillary then...

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:27 | 4164878 overmedicatedun...
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damn bill say what? have you asked diebold who it supports?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:30 | 4164894 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Public servant my ass...

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:50 | 4164988 icanhasbailout
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Next President should be a woman... and as long as it ain't Hillary, he'll hit it

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:57 | 4165032 Mad Mohel
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He wasn't implying Hillary. He was in the OR when they were removing her cock and balls.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:01 | 4165051 Chupacabra-322
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Billy boy is nothing more than a Criminal Coke snorting, Mesa CIA coke importing coke head. Piece of shit War Criminal too.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:07 | 4165074 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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Mena... sorry had to fix that

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:24 | 4165140 Keyser
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I've got no problem with the next POTUS being a woman, as long as it's NOT Hildabeast. Elizabeth Warren is someone I could get behind in the next election though.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:26 | 4165153 Clowns on Acid
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Oh yeh... the 1st American Indian as President......

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:56 | 4165258 johnQpublic
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fuck competency

lets just get 'em in by race and gender

we need a black one...check

a woman ....check

a mexican, an indian(both kinds)...fuck it, whatever to round out the gender race circle of life

next a transgender japanese bukake star

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 20:20 | 4167579 Flakmeister
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Explains W. then, autistic morons are a fast growing demographic...

Tue, 11/19/2013 - 05:41 | 4168814 Pizza man
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Here's an idea, Let's keep electing retread, thug crony pols and hope for a different outcome.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:09 | 4165290 Keyser
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Well, old, cranky white guys have been doing a bang-up job as POTUS for the last 100 years, haven't they? 

Since I got junked for my comment above, let me qualify it a little better. When compared to Hildabeast, I could get behind Warren for POTUS. 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:21 | 4165355 beercandad
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Slick willie was the first black pres..........

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:34 | 4165673 Four chan
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the mena murders should have put that manchrian candidate away along with all the bushes.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:55 | 4165754 remain calm
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Bill, should she be a lesbian too?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:26 | 4165643 maskone909
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i wouldnt even get behind her for coitus.

edit, yeah i prob would.


Mon, 11/18/2013 - 14:15 | 4165870 johny2
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having to share same plane of existence with Clinton is sure sign that I have something to pay for. 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 20:08 | 4167536 BigSpruce
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Ok Keyser we get it - your crush on elizabeth warren is hot.. We hear you loud and clear you want to take her from behind..

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:46 | 4165474 orez65
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"Elizabeth Warren is someone I could get behind in the next election though"

How clever, then we would have a "Native American" woman be president!!

You need a brain transplant.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:09 | 4165309 SilverDOG
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Mad Mohel


Because it is the TRUTH !


Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:15 | 4165599 silverserfer
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he was talking about himself, both he and Hillary had sex change operations bacl in 2002.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:27 | 4164879 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:32 | 4165173 DaveyJones
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Bill Clinton: I don't give a fuck about anything but making my wife president because I fucked so many

what was the question?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:00 | 4165046 Ignatius
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Slick Willie is plying the left/right mind fuck by trying to define the new territory of the left (compassion for Snowden/woman President).

What a fuckin' phony.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:02 | 4165060 Chupacabra-322
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What a fuck'n Criminal.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:28 | 4165654 Freddie
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LOL!  Hilarious.  Effing smoking chimps.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:26 | 4164873 SafelyGraze
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Beause Michelle

Michelle 2016

mister bills 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:52 | 4165001 CrimsonAvenger
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First country to elect a Wookie as president. I think I'd be proud for the first time ever.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:15 | 4165108 Hobbleknee
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or he's speaking out of both sides of his mouth to get votes for his wife.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:28 | 4164881 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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we have a winner!!!

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:35 | 4164915 mofreedom
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Hill has a weiner!!!

Fixed it for ya!

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:35 | 4165416 Zadig
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It's just to dupe the voters into believing there will be an anti-NSA candidate running for puppet emperor in 2016. 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 15:07 | 4166135 sgt_doom
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john39, clown troll.....

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:44 | 4164969 rubiconsolutions
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Bill and Hillary Clinton are grifters in the truest sense of the word:

grift  (grft) Slang

1. Money made dishonestly, as in a swindle. [see: Clinton Global Initiative]
2. A swindle or confidence game. [see: careers of William and Hillary Clinton] v. grift·ed, grift·ing, grifts v.intr.
To engage in swindling or cheating.
To obtain by swindling or cheating.
Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:58 | 4165267 johnQpublic
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Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:21 | 4165634 IrritableBowels
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(dot com)

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 17:53 | 4166898 DaveyJones
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grifters - perfect

the sickest thing is how this nation offers up Hillary as a strong feminine role model 

a woman who sold her soul and stood by her man while he fucked everything that stood still so that one day, she would be politcally rewarded.  

it's three steps below lobbyist

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:32 | 4165170 f16hoser
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Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:28 | 4165380 Crash Overide
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Whatever happened to his brother Roger?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 15:02 | 4166108 robertsgt40
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I think I'm gonna hurl.  Slick Willy has a problem with Obamacare but didn't have a problem with Hillarycare?  WTF is he smoking? Never mind.  We already know.  Soros "backed" Obummer.  Now he's backing Hillary.  All from Chicago.  Hmmm

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 15:05 | 4166123 sgt_doom
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"You damn right!"

Responded future president of the USA, Sen. Elizabeth Warren.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:20 | 4164837 The Abstraction...
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Time to crown Snowden King of England?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:24 | 4164865 Sudden Debt
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nag... you need to be a drug addict,gay and have bad teeth to be a royal in England.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:26 | 4164875 john39
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and a pedophile.  perhaps the most important criteria.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:21 | 4164842 PTR
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Billy's stradling the fence.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:28 | 4164885 krispkritter
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I believe that's an intern...

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:58 | 4165037 Hulk
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I wonder whom will give Hitlery a blow job in the white house ???

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:09 | 4165083 InTheLandOfTheBlind
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has susan retired?  you could always fly in george stephanopolous for a briefs interview (plurality intended)

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:41 | 4165203 kralizec
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Huma, aka Mrs. Carlos Danger.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:21 | 4164844 Kirk2NCC1701
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No one ever said he wasn't slick.  Even Monica.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:21 | 4164845 mofreedom
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Obama drinks beer like a woman, does that count?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:26 | 4164868 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:02 | 4165056 The Proletariat
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(S)He also likes it somewhere else like some women.  Does that count? Signed, Reggie and Wookie's big black dildo.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:21 | 4165351 MichiganMilitiaMan
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And don't forget: popularized that ode to fashion coolness The Mom Jeans!

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:23 | 4164855 Sudden Debt
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Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:08 | 4165084 ATM
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Too late. I haev already voted for ME in the last two elections.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:03 | 4165552 Nobody For President
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naw. I'm a much better choice...

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 18:00 | 4166944 DaveyJones
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but Mr. Debt has been in the office for the last six terms

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:23 | 4164856 B2u
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Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:23 | 4164857 blabam
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His name is Vince Foster.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:24 | 4164859 Xibalba
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Credentials! Haha haha!  What were the credentials the current president met? 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:36 | 4164922 Sudden Debt
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he was black and you where a racist if you didn't vote for him.

Now, if you don't vote for the femal clown during the next election you're a sexist and you should sleep on the couch...




oh wait... that's one chapter to far in the storyline...


Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:24 | 4164863 Save_America1st
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Well if the next president should be a woman then that excludes the Hilda-Beast!!! 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:55 | 4165022 rbg81
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Sure.  A woman just because its their turn.  Who cares about positions on issues, integrity or if they can actually, y'know, do the job?  All those things are so old fashioned.  These daze its all about race and sex.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:24 | 4164864 holdbuysell
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<-- wouldn't vote for Hillary
<-- would vote for Hillary

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:28 | 4164883 Save_America1st
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Why should Americans vote for anybody anymore?  It's just used as implied consent for whoever wins to do whatever they want against our will and against the Constitution.  99% of the people who want to win the "pageant" and be some kind of political being are narcissistic, sociopathic, criminal scum. 

Don't vote for anybody.  If Americans quit voting then none of those scumbags could hold a position of power over us. 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:28 | 4164887 Tinky
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Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:18 | 4165117 Buffalo Bones
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No, Duff.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:59 | 4165041 Vampyroteuthis ...
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If the bitch won the office I'm moving to Canada even though it is a bastion for commie morons. F*ck Billary!

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:27 | 4164880 orangedrinkandchips
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Mon, 11/18/2013 - 18:04 | 4166962 DaveyJones
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actually blowjobs are better than every industry

except alcohol

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:34 | 4164882 rustymason
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Comrades, to be truly progressive, our next president should be a black, jewish, one-eyed, one-armed, deaf and dumb, peg-legged, lesbian tranny from the local D.C. wymyn's shelter. ONLY THEN can we purge the white guilt from our evil Western souls. 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:36 | 4164927 Spumoni
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Does this mean that you're running?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:16 | 4165333 Trimmed Hedge
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How hot is this tranny...?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:28 | 4164886 orangegeek
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it's amazing how these lefties linger decades later


fuck off Bill.  same to fucking lesbo wife and your butt fucking ugly daughter.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:35 | 4164917 Spumoni
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Well, one thing we can always count on from the Riight- rude name-calling asinine idiocy resembling not the slightest any known facts or ideas. WTF has Chelsea edver done to you, asshole?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:40 | 4164950 overmedicatedun...
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spu, gotta ask, what would you do if your father was killed and you mom did nothing? vince foster was her dad. she turned her eye to the obvious, as you do.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:55 | 4165021 Spumoni
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Well, Overm, I don't have proof that Chelsea is VC's kid, just like I don't have proof that Cheney and Bush were behind the bombing and killing of 3300 of our fellow citizens on 9/11. I can promise you thaty virtually nobody outside the Clinton/Foster circle of associates has the faintest clue what the real story was. What I can vouch for is that governments kill people all the time- Governments run by the likes of_______________(plug in the name of ANY politician/General/CEO/Pope). They do NOT tolerate dissent within the ranks.  This has been going on for so long that any criticism of particular players utterly misses the point. 

My point is, that if you are going to have a debate that leads to creative solution-making, then you have to stick with the Di/Phi Rulebook. Generally speaking, the first person to start calling names is declared the loser, as they have run out of rational or logical arguments.

I'm not terribly fond of Billary either, but I seem to recall that Americans had jobs and extra spending money when he was in office (as well as a huge surplus in the Treasury). Kindly inform me what the fucking Right has done for anyone besides the Kochj fuckheads and Wall Street (yeah, I'm calling names).

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:02 | 4165040 Lets_Eat_Ben
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"Im not terribly fond of Billary either, but I seem to recall that Americans had jobs and extra spending money when he was in office (as well as a huge surplus in the Treasury)."

Because fucking up THE world's most powerful economy is a process. It takes a few administrations.

You're either really naive or stupid, either way you're pissing me off. Go get smart. Shut your stupid mouth and listen more.

Name calling doesn't imply anything other than the person wanted to call you a name. You're starting off with illogical noise and you're calm about it and that lends validity to your ignorance?




Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:03 | 4165062 Spumoni
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Come help me, Bennydick. Stupid is as stupid does, and it makes my day that you're pissing yourself.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:24 | 4165142 Clowns on Acid
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Typical left wing, low brow BS from a dweeb. ..."And that makes my day.." Non critical thinker.....  

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:05 | 4165068 Spumoni
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Its been a fun morning, Bennydix. I have a job, though - one I work at each day. For money that doesn't come from scum. Goota go! Cheers! Ciao! And, of course, fuck you too.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:56 | 4165512 InnerG
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Money that doesn't come from scum?

Your ignorance is showing as u obviously don't know where those hard earned federal reserve notes that you're given come from

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:40 | 4165705 Spumoni
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Who said I get paid in FRN's? I run a copper mine. Get paid in whatever currency I want.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 14:49 | 4166041 InnerG
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OIC not only are u ignorant but u run on total bullshit

A copper mine that doesn't pay in FRNs.. that's so rich.. it must be one of those defunct mines

have fun in ur lil sandbox ..ahem excuse me.. I mean copper mine there lil liberal fella

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:30 | 4165211 Flakmeister
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Yes, I agree fucking up the country and the economy is a process not an event...

And we are really only starting the pay for the sins of Reagan and his happy go lucky band of sociopaths...

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 18:09 | 4166985 DaveyJones
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You're right, it's a process - like debt shifting from long term to short term as all faith in our currency, our government, and our future, collapses

I like to think less about particular politicians and more about two political parties becoming sphisticated RICCO machines.


Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:42 | 4165204 Dull Care
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When a real right winger actually is allowed to govern I'll let you know. Right now we have two shades of the left:Marxist(Dems) and Social Democrats(Rs)

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:46 | 4165220 Flakmeister
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You had a Reagan, do I need to remind what he did with the debt?

Every relevant statistic involving the middle class share of the earnings of the country took a turn for the worse on his watch...

And the scary thing is that Reagan would be branded a RINO now...

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:05 | 4165289 shovelhead
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House and Senate controlled by Dems in both Reagan terms.

President doesn't have a wallet.

Huff Po people do not know these complex 7th grade facts.


Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:30 | 4165426 Flakmeister
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Quit making shit up:

The repubs held the senate for 6 years:

Edit: and the debt went up the most with the Repubs in the Senate


Would you like to go over this?

This was the beginning of the end for repsonsible news...

Perhaps you remember Iran-Contra?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 15:31 | 4166231 IdiocracyIsAlre...
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Exactly.  Team Red's Reagan worship is vomit-inducing, and that is wording it kindly.  Now compared to the last 2 inhabitants of the WH, Reagan (even in his 2nd term when the 1st stages of Alzheimer's were beginning to show) was the picture of competence but that is lowering standards to abysmal levels.  All one needs to understand Reagan is here:

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 18:21 | 4167040 DaveyJones
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There is an beautifully ugly synergy between Nancy and Hillary and the roll they played 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 18:47 | 4167184 Flakmeister
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I haven't had a need to call you out on what you say, but...

Bitch about Hillary, but there is no fucking way that the astrologist-wannabe Nancy could ever even think of playing the role of Secretary of State...

Being Ronnie's fluffer and jelly bean peeler doesn't impress me... 

In fact there is not a single asshat of any political stripe here at the Hedge who could even pretend with a straight face that they could fill the shoes of the Secretary of State... They would get eaten up and spat out faster than you say HFT....


Mon, 11/18/2013 - 20:11 | 4167548 Dull Care
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Bullshit. What difference does it make?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 20:39 | 4167648 Flakmeister
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Nancy Reagan is barely qualified to wipe Hillary's ass...

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 21:27 | 4167802 DaveyJones
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they're both actresses. Just one is more intense than the other.

I wasn't comparing "intellectual" ability (like playing cattle futures), I was comparing that other funny ability with their husbands 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:04 | 4165285 earnyermoney
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Income inequality has exploded under HillayBillyBarry who are funded by Soros, Uncle Warren, Jamie Dimon and the sociapath's on Wall Street. As Uncle Warren said, " there's a class war alright, and the Blue team is winning"


Give the Red/Blue team story a rest.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:29 | 4165480 Flakmeister
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No, I am questioning the policies of both sides, team Red gets the prize though for being the worst....

Slick Willie screwed the pooch with the CFTC and Glass Steagal...

He also got a huge one time boost on the budget from Cap Gains from that "internet thingie"....

And he benefited from failing oil prices which in real terms (all time) bottomed in 1998....

I ain;t fucking blind....

Oh here, check out page 8 and get back to us

The data goes back to 1913...

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:44 | 4165717 Ferrari
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You conveniently omit Dubya from your list, sir. And I agree that the trend started with Reagan, and I'll raise you Nixon. The blue/red dichotomy is cosmetic at best.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 18:13 | 4167004 DaveyJones
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amazing how this debate amongst intelligent folks proves nothing more than the very thing they don't want you to see. They're all the same and they bow to the same master. Those who don't are silenced one way or another.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:56 | 4164981 Lets_Eat_Ben
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Chelsea wouldn't roll your fat corpse into a nearby shallow grave. But you would probably donate to her campaign so you can feel progressive and good about yourself because you aren't "sexist". At least that's what you tell yourself. I think you are just desperate to get female attention even if it means being a bitch so you can speak the language. Women don't like fags.


Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:58 | 4165034 Spumoni
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Why, Benny-Eater, honeybunny, it's YOU I'm lookin' for! Right down the red line, motherfucker.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:07 | 4165081 Lets_Eat_Ben
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Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:09 | 4165087 Spumoni
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Damn right, and thanks for noticing. 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:42 | 4165208 Uncle Remus
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Oh gawd this is going to be fun.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:49 | 4165486 Spumoni
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Unc, I appreciate where you're coming from. I went down-arrow hunting in the briar patch this mawnin' and caught me some Nazxis! You can't really get the real ones anymore - so you have to hunt the ones that bred with Marxists, hence, Nazxis. But you know how it is-that ole definition of insanity, 'bout doing the same ole thing over and over and expecting something different...well, neither the right nor the left in this country are anything except fucking insane. Not one new or original idea among the lot, and no contrition either: some, ah... hist'ry:

Somewhere back in the good ole days, before Johnson (BJ), the Right killed a Catholic in order to keep him from empowering and educating the poor. Then That Big Texan came along and had to be persuaded to get us out of Vietnam through mass riots and civil disobedience and stuff. That was about the time the National Guard murdered some university students in cold blood, which led to more riots and mess. Well, it didn't take the pollsters long to tell the Big Cheeses that this sort of thing didn't even go down well with Conservatives, and so they invented welfare as a cheaper alternative to civil war.

Trubble was, nobody saw the Cocaine Generation coming until their brains were all fried - TV, MTV, EmptyVee and the Interwebs. People were so stupid by the time RayGun got finished that they actually believed whatever their TV told 'em without even doing basic DD on any of it, and before long the Banksters seized control of everything by convincing the Conservatives that Nazis were great and Liberals were stoopid. Now its so bad that the very folks who invented this latest economic crisis and put all these folks into poverty blame the poverty-stricken for their own misdeeds. Instead of 'fessing up to their own mistakes, they hubricate along, threatening ennyone who disagrees with 'em. Too bad they don't see the writing on the wall - which is that bitching is great, but that's all it is until somebody has a better idea. Since it is pretty clear by now that neither the Nazis nor the Liberals have a fucking clue about how to do anything but damn each other, seems to me that we either have a conversation or we go ahead and run headlong down the path to hell. 

"Cuz there's one message that this BlackJewIrishBrudda has for all y'all fuckup NeoLiberal Nazis - you lot ain't gettin' my country without a fight. I don't mind if y'all live here, but don't kid yourselves that Conservatives are the only folks who fought, bled and died for the USA. We'uns pay taxes, we work for a living. Many of us get along just fine without the dole, which is more than I can say for the Conservative wannabes that live in trailer parks and bitch about everyone else. And as for all y'all who tanked me this mawnin'-thanks! Now I know who you is...

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:57 | 4165030 earnyermoney
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Married a Goldman Sux partner!

LOL at your hypocrisy.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:32 | 4164901 Flakmeister
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Gonna need a lot of popcorn for this one...

It will be interesting to see if a woman as president infuriates more people here than the black guy did...

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:36 | 4164923 Dull Which
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Oprah for President!

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:37 | 4164933 overmedicatedun...
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it's hopeless, but here goes: Flak, did people become infuriated with obuma for his skin, for his mom or his dad? or was it something else?playing the fill music while the contestant tries to answer...beep time up.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:18 | 4165120 Flakmeister
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The data strongly suggest that is color is major role...

For example compare how Kerry, Clinton and Gore did in the same Red states....

There were many polls with a question along the lines, "Are you ready for a Black President?" and the numbers were illuminating, something like 20% said they were not, significantly less than for a woman and other demographics, e.g. Mormon....

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:46 | 4165207 rustymason
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What's wrong with having someone like you to represent you? Isn't that the liberal democracy promise?

The way it works in Liberaldom: If blacks, jews, mexicans, chinese, etc., want a representative from their tribe, then that is good, according to libtards. However, if whites want the same thing, then they are haters, racists, naziswhowanttokillsixmillionsjews, etc.

Liberals are liar, murderers, and thieves and just need to STFU.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 13:01 | 4165226 Flakmeister
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Hey, I am only citing the facts...

Why don't you write a paper explaining what it all means... 

Start here:

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:39 | 4164941 mofreedom
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I think it's the tyranical leftist ideaoligies that does the infuriating, oh and the serial lying.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:15 | 4165107 Buffalo Bones
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He's not a leftist, he's as fascist as W.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:12 | 4165322 Trampy
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He's not a leftist, he's as fascist as W.

He's not a leftist, he's a better fascist than Hitler and a better murderer than Stalin.

Please email me if you feel like you're the only intelligent life on the planet ... outside of here, of course.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:48 | 4165484 Flakmeister
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Idiot or troll....

You are likely both... 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 14:17 | 4165863 Buffalo Bones
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Obama, the warmonger (Syria), the advocate for unrestrained domestic surveillance programs, the murderer of U.S. Citizens, has done well in his continuation of GWB's policies.

Sure he might hold different (meaningless) viewpoints on the wedge issues, but that's all part of the show. If you look close enough, there really is not much meaningful policy change from administration to administration (at least the last four), except for superficial red meat tossed to the masses.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 14:30 | 4165931 Flakmeister
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I am not going to argue as you are basically correct...

But anyone inheriting the shitshow that culminated in 2008 was a doomed puppy. You don't fix decades of structural imbalances by trying to govern from the middle. Obama was a centrist elected when real change was required, assuming that real change was even possible...

I will say that he has not been as intellectually bankrupt as W...

Talk about damning with faint praise....

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:43 | 4165213 Uncle Remus
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Wait - what black guy?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:10 | 4165287 Emergency Ward
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Flakmeister seems to suffer short memory -- forgets widespread scathing criticism of both specious GeorgeW and disingenuous Willie.  Your popcorn is burning while callow Barry runs off at the mouth.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:57 | 4165521 Flakmeister
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Oh, I have a very good memory...

Bush gets a lot more love here than you care to let on... a lot more than Willie, FWIW...

Who was the last president with real integrity? Out of curiousity?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 14:13 | 4165842 Emergency Ward
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No love from me, but I'm kinda new around here (I refer to criticisms from many other sources before I landed at ZH).  The last one ---- uh, still thinking on that one.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 18:03 | 4166956 Flakmeister
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It is spelled C-A-R-T-E-R....

He may not have been an effective leader but he did have integrity and was run out of town for not blowing smoke up peoples asses....

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:32 | 4164904 Bagbalm
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Does nobody remember HillaryCare and how she hit the wall trying to push that crap through at the time she was co-president in fact?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:19 | 4165122 Flakmeister
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And do you remember what the Republican alternative was???

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 12:26 | 4165375 machineh
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She's gonna use a softer-sell approach this time: 

'We need to have a conversation ... about vaginal discharge.'

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:33 | 4164906 Spumoni
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Fuck it-put Vampire Squid in the Oval...that way we can impeach it and burn it at the stake! Might as well-that thing has enough suckers in the Government we might as well capitulate! [sarc/

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:35 | 4164920 Atomizer
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Mr. Clinton,

Let me guess, a transgender woman for the next President of United States. Would that be your wife?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:36 | 4164924 TomGa
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Who the fuck cares what Bill Clinton says.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:02 | 4165055 blabam
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People who prefer the .com bubble over the housing bubble. 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:28 | 4165159 Atomizer
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Do you think they’ll ever bring back the tulip bubble of 1637? /LOL

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:39 | 4164931 yogibear
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Going from one screwup  (Obama) to another (Hillary). What progress. Bill has to keep Hillary busy. She probably torments Billy boy.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:39 | 4164947 Heiman Van Rock...
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Former Hillary Clinton Associate Larry Nichols Claims to murder at Clintons behest

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:42 | 4164957 Obamanation
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I'm all for criticism but where exactly did he say the next president should be a woman?  Can we stop twisting words so it's not used against us when trying to have a valid objection?  Like that dipsh*t on 60mins who basically gave the libtards a free pass bc of his lies?  Bring down with truths, not half-lies.  

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:56 | 4165024 mofreedom
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Depends on what the definition of "next" is.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:49 | 4164966 starfcker
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fuck you clinton. you are the grandaddy of all this bullshit. and fuck a woman president.  too compliant, too passive. natalie moralas on nbc  just told us a few minutes ago that what people REALLY want for christmas are gift cards. and not just any gift cards (people don't want those low rent store gift cards, says natalie) no, what they want are gift cards from the credit card companies, says natalie. and the richer you are, the more likely you are to give gift cards, says natalie. so you now know how to look rich, and make everybody very happy, according to natalie. hey bimbo, ever hear of cash? 

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:45 | 4164970 Dewey Cheatum Howe
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Bill is just a little more pragmatic of a commierade than the current crop of b-/c+ listers running the show now. He is still a snake but a snake with some common sense.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:45 | 4164974 Joe A
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Can we have Carmen Electra for president then? Any other suggestions?

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:46 | 4164977 tnquake
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Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:51 | 4164994 SheepDog-One
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Yea and most of what you don't like was born when you were president so STFU. And your wife can fuck off and die too.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:52 | 4165002 Quinvarius
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I'd rather have Palin than Hillary.  Honestly.  Even Bauchman would be better.  Maybe Miley Cyruss would do a worse job than Hillary.

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 11:01 | 4165052 Spumoni
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I must say I like the way you think[?]. Keep putting stupid people in charge of intelligent ones and see what you get...OOOPS! Too late! You can already see it!

Mon, 11/18/2013 - 10:52 | 4165006 Ghostdog
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He's out early shilling for Madaam Fascist

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