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“This Is Really A Symbol Of What’s Going On In This Whole Country. We’re Losing Middle-Class Jobs”

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We wish we could say we didn't warn Boeing's machinists about the key trend taking place in the US economy under the Obama "recovery" but unfortunately we did. Three years ago, to be specific, when we wrote: "Charting America's Transformation To A Part-Time Worker Society" and followed it up with "A "Quality Assessment" Of US Jobs Reveals The Ugliest Picture Yet" in which we explained that while the propaganda machine was fixated on numeric, quantitative, job additions every month, what has subversively going on, was the constant deterioration in the quality of jobs - and specifically the declining wages - available to those Americans who had not rotated outside of the labor force permanently (currently at a record 91.5 million). We say "alas" because it once again took several years before our cautions to be felt by the broader population, in this case the Boeing machinist union struggling to extract a wage increase from its employer: Boeing, whose stock keeps hitting new record highs with every passing day.

The machinists' lament is well-known to virtually everyone who relies on labor instead of capital to exist: pay us more. Bloomberg reports:

“We need to focus on how many jobs there are that give an adult a chance to earn a decent living,” said Gordon Lafer, an associate professor at the University of Oregon’s Labor Education and Research Center in Eugene. “Too much of the discussion has been about the number of jobs, and that’s obviously important, but there’s also a crisis in the quality of jobs.”

That's ironic: when we said it first three years ago, the mainstream media mocked it. Curious how things change when that hope you once believed in becomes a "zero balance" nightmare at the ATM machine, eh?

Blame it on the Fed, blame it on globalization, blame it on corporations who have a virtually unlimited labor, cheap and global pool to pick from, but the bottom line is US workers have zero leverage.

Where unions and their allies see reason for alarm, employers see a way to retain jobs against the lure of lower wages overseas. There were about 12 million U.S. factory jobs in October, buoyed by recent gains while still down 39 percent from 1979’s peak.


“We certainly have seen manufacturers become much more competitive,” said Chad Moutray, chief economist at the Washington-based National Association of Manufacturers. Falling labor costs have helped “keep U.S. manufacturers much more competitive and you’re seeing more investment in the U.S. as a result.”

The good news for workers: each day of pain for them means a day of joy for the shareholders - typically those in US society who already are the wealthiest.

Manufacturers’ after-tax profits rose to a record $289.1 billion last year, more than three times 2009’s tally, the Commerce Department reported. The Standard & Poor’s 500 Industrials Index has more than tripled since its 2009 low, and topped the broader index by 59 percentage points over that span.


“What’s being referred to as a recovery in manufacturing is to a large extent a recovery in profitability,” said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research, a Washington-based group funded by unions and private foundations. “That’s good for the companies and good for the shareholders but it’s not necessarily good for the workers.”

To some, labor's epic lack of leverage has to do with lack of unionization to take on greedy coroprations.

Some of the states where factory jobs are growing the fastest are among the least unionized. In 2012, 4.6 percent of South Carolina workers were represented by unions, as did 6.8 percent of Texans, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. New York, the most-unionized, was at 24.9 percent.


Assembly workers at Boeing’s nonunion plant in North Charleston, South Carolina, earn an average of $17 an hour, compared with $27.65 for the more-experienced Machinists-represented workforce at the company’s wide-body jet plant in Everett, Washington, said Bryan Corliss, a union spokesman.


Higher wages also no longer go hand-in-hand with union jobs, as they once did.

But the reality is that in a world drowning in overcapacity, and in which globalization, technological innovation and improvements in productivity mean that Boeing can open a plant anywhere else in the US, or in the world and still pay less than it does currently, even if it means a lot of unhappy, and unemployed labor workers. For example:

General Electric Co. says it has added about 2,500 production jobs since 2010 at its home-appliance plant in Louisville, Kentucky. Under an accord with the union local, new hires make $14 an hour assembling refrigerators and washing machines, compared with a starting wage of about $22 for those who began before 2005. While CEO Jeffrey Immelt has said GE could have sent work on new products to China, it instead invested $1 billion in its appliance business in the U.S. after the agreement was reached.


The company is also moving work to lower-wage states. In Fort Edward, New York, GE plans to dismiss about 175 employees earning an average of $29.03 an hour and shift production of electrical capacitors to Clearwater, Florida. Workers there can earn about $12 an hour, according to the United Electrical, Radio and Machine Workers of America, which represents the New York employees.

In summary: here is the corporate speak:

“GE’s business units continuously review their operations and sometimes have to make tough decisions to keep up with market trends, address customer demands or reduce cost,” Duchamp said in an e-mail. “The intention of the proposed move is to address the increasing cost pressures and leverage the resources” available at the Florida site.

And here is the worker speak:

This is really a symbol of what’s going on in this whole country,” said Machinist Thomas Campbell, 40. “We’re losing middle-class jobs.”

What is sad is that both are correct, and while Bernanke and his wealth effect policies do everything to make the rich, and the corporations, even richer, they continue to rob what little standard of living America's workers have, and in the process continue to destroy what little is left of the middle class. Once again, as we warned, so long ago.

Tim Geithner was only kidding about "welcome to the recovery" - what he meant was "welcome to the new feudal system."


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Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:32 | 4178962 csmith
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Boeing Airlines ?

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:39 | 4178984 azengrcat
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BA = Burning Airplanes


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:47 | 4179007 Freddie
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Tesla 787

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:55 | 4179025 Running On Bing...
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Boeing, "a global force for good". Protecting the troops.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:59 | 4179034 Skateboarder
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At least the Volga barge haulers toiled for something real.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:06 | 4179058 negative rates
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I think lost was a better term.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:36 | 4179138 Ying-Yang
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"They continue to rob what little standard of living America's workers have."

The downward spiral carnival ride that's screws you into the ground until the carnies are run out of town.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:18 | 4179244 James_Cole
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But the reality is that in a world drowning in overcapacity, and in which globalization, technological innovation and improvements in productivity mean that Boeing can open a plant anywhere else in the US, or in the world and still pay less than it does currently

And half of Boeing's revs come from who? And how much of their profit margin?

Send Boeing to China and remove their .gov contracts + tax breaks and see how long they last. 


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:30 | 4179260 Four chan
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ross perot should have been president.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:32 | 4179267 Anusocracy
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Perot got rich off the government.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:38 | 4179487 Oldwood
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Just becasue he could see what was happening. Business people are not evil because they can see the trends and what is happening. He tried to warn us...repeatedly. He spent is own money running for president, all while telling us what would happen...and Americans thought he was an old foolish crank. Everyone on this site is trying to figure out where this is going and how to profit if not simply survive it. We have people telling us how it will be and we call them nuts. When smart people try and explain it to us and actually profit from their predictions, we call them evil. We are fucked. The truth was to set us free, but now will likely only send us to prison or death

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 22:06 | 4179733 Anusocracy
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I have no need for, nor respect for, anyone who got rich off of stolen money.

The government 'Elite Get Rich' scheme needs to end.

Fri, 11/22/2013 - 02:41 | 4180427 BorisTheBlade
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A giant sucking sound, it was said in 1992:

To those of you in the audience who are business people, pretty simple: If you're paying $12, $13, $14 an hour for factory workers and you can move your factory South of the border, pay a dollar an hour for labor, hire young -- let's assume you've been in business for a long time and you've got a mature work force -- pay a dollar an hour for your labor, have no health care -- that's the most expensive single element in making a car -- have no environmental controls, no pollution controls and no retirement, and you don't care about anything but making money, there will be a giant sucking sound going south.

It was said as simple as a 5 year old with little business acumen could grasp it, yet majority chose to ignore. It was perhaps too simple and too obvious and too logical to be heard at the time. You reap what you saw, ignoring basic economic gravity will not make you fly, it will just hit you later and with much worse consequences. Madness.

Fri, 11/22/2013 - 01:12 | 4180262 sylviasays
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Some other interesting facts about General Electric and it's CEO Jeffrey Immelt who is also the head of Obama’s Economic Advisory Board:

Since Immelt took over GE in 2001, the corporation has shed nearly 34,000 jobs in the U.S., according to its annual filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission in 2011. But it has added 25,000 jobs overseas. At the end of 2009, GE employed 36,000 more people abroad than it did in the U.S.  In 2000, it was nearly the opposite.

GE has paid well below the top marginal corporate tax rate of 35 percent.  GE has paid an average tax rate of just 1.8 percent over the past decade, according to an analysis in a report by the non-profit advocacy group Citizens for Tax Justice. For 2002, 2008, 2009 and 2010, according to the report, GE did not pay a cent in federal income taxes, and indeed got substantial tax refunds back from the government. However, GE paid taxes at a rate of 11.3 percent in 2011.

Jeffrey Immelt pocketed $25.8 million in total compensation in 2012 -- a 20% jump from the prior year.

By any measure of shareholder value, GE has been a disaster under Jeffrey Immelt with shareholder value declining almost 40 percent.



Fri, 11/22/2013 - 02:26 | 4180405 James_Cole
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GE also a big recipient of .gov dollars (MIC contract$ in particular).

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:48 | 4179012 prains
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McShitInYourMouth Drive's real, it's coming sooner than you think, AND you will drink it ! Bitchez !


...and learn to like it, but probably take about a century of bloodshed, but you will drink it.....


or not

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:23 | 4179095 max2205
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Day after day we get these same stories...guess what ...Barry has spent 1 trillion a year for 5 years on the FSA and now its become an institution and a fixed cost....we're fucked...get over it


FAS FSA FSA fsa f  s a

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:33 | 4178964 Seasmoke
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Stop complaining. We all could have become public employees. At least that's what teachers and cops tell me at parties. 

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:36 | 4178978 aVileRat
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Only going to get worse when the layoffs start rubberbanding into the 1Q14

If those holiday spending numbers do not bring Jesus to every Visa card in the world, its going to get choppy.

Who's got some Jim Simmons Lucky Strikes ?

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:40 | 4179292 Say What Again
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If the government is employeeing everyone, how come my streets are full of pot-holes, the bridges are crumbling, and the gov-service offices have wait time of 2.5 hours?

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:46 | 4179305 TBT or not TBT
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Actual work is mostly bid to union saddled private cronies at well over rates that would prevail without prevailing wage laws etc.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:30 | 4179448 oddjob
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People in government will always hire someone less smart than themselves. The downward spiral in ethics and productivity is clearly evident.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:43 | 4179506 Vendetta
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a trillion for the MIC, a trillion for the bankers, $2.5 trillion in revenue  ... what do you think

Fri, 11/22/2013 - 00:22 | 4180146 Serenity Now
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He said they were employed; nobody said they were working.  ;)

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:07 | 4179057 Surging Chaos
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It's good to work for the public sector.

For now though.

Once more cities go bankrupt (and it will happen sooner than later since cities can't print money), the muni market will experience its Lehman moment. That's when you'll start seeing a tidal wave of cities declaring bankruptcy once they realize it's the only way to get out of all the pensions they promised to retirees. I hope public sector employees enjoy getting pennies on the dollar.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:58 | 4179196 RSloane
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In the public sector, unions are an easy target yet no one goes after the politicians who signed those contracts in the first place. Unions had to negotiate with someone to get a contract. It just fucking pisses me off that the workers are the target and the politicians get to retire with whatever astronomically stupid retirement they thought up for themselves. There's another muni bankruptcy in CA in the wings right now. Some bullshit poli fucker made a patronizing speech to the public workers about how they grew to expect too much. If that's true, why did the city wait until bankruptcy was knocking on their door? Did it just occur to them that maybe perhaps their inefficient management led to the bankruptcy in the first place?

Sorry I get really pissed about this. [This was not directed at you Chaos I enjoy your comments]

/rant off

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:38 | 4179274 Surging Chaos
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Well the thing with public sector unions is that you're really bargaining with taxpayers since the money is coming to the workers and retirees at the end of a gun. That affects me and other people directly (unlike private sector unions, though crony capitalism there can make things murky) which is why public sector unions are a ripe target. I can't do a whole lot to stop someone like the SEIU from paying their employees 6 figures with ridiculous pension plans for the next 30 years due to the coercive nature of the state. Even the FDR, the poster child for progressives, did not like public sector unions.

And thanks for the compliment! ;)

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:42 | 4179301 Anusocracy
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Unions work to elect pro-union candidates.

Pro-union politicians sign pro-union contracts.

Other interest groups do the same.

MO for government growth.

Taxpayers get screwed.

Can we see a problem here?

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:51 | 4179335 TBT or not TBT
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Please come punish governor moonbeam in any sick way you like. California got this way by buying off and multiplying the numbers of public service unions to their current proportions. Dem supermajorities in both the house and senate, and moonbeam signing just about anything.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:47 | 4179513 Vendetta
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The pension fund 'managers' and 'planners' were looking for 8% returns annually.  When is the last time they've seen that since interest rates have been so low for so long while quality jobs disappear as fast as a turd in the globlized toilet

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:00 | 4179204 Herd Redirectio...
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Whats going to be crazy though is explaining to them they were being overpaid, in addition to being lied to, in regards to future benefits (which they will feel entitled to).

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:51 | 4179336 starfcker
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funny as hell to do business with 50 year old retired .gov types. i get a serious kick out of explaning to them that they are the reason i have to charge them so much. even funnier is listening to them bitch about their property taxes (really). most clueless group of people i can remember. i honestly don't feel bad about what the future holds for them, they helped themselves to my taxes, and wasted tons and tons more. it was not too much to expect a basic level of honesty and decency from these people, and payback is a bitch. ignorance is no defense.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:42 | 4179500 Oldwood
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We can all see the problem, unless of course we are the problem.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:38 | 4179484 lasvegaspersona
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In Weimar Germany all pensions were paid. By 1924 you could not buy a postage stamp with a month's allowance.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:59 | 4179546 Vendetta
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exactly.  from what I understand a Boeing employee is to receive $90 a month for each year of employment.  That equates to $1080 dollars annually and is not unreasonable.  If the company invests $1080 every year in the pension fund (I have heard of pension funds being underfunded for years and years which is disturbing given  $1080 a year is not a lot of money relative to someone earning ~$40k to $50k or more) and the value of that money isn't eviscerated, the retiring employee can expect to retire comfortably after working an appropriate number of years  (if 30 years, $2700 a month) but the value is being eviscerated by the bankers and politicians and their lame brained treasonous shenanigans.  Even with the BS inflation rate of 2% is accrued over the duration of the 30 years, that's an evisceration of 60% of the original value of the pension.  So effectively the monthly pension fund is actually worth $1,620 in real terms.  NOW add in the REAL inflation rate and it is easy to see how easily pensioners are royally fucked over just by the criminality of a system that is against everyone but the wealthiest among us.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 21:46 | 4179684 Jack Burton
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As a kid I was taught to respect cops and to treat them as friends of honest society and such. Well, times change. Repsect them? Look at most of them today, young punks on a power trip. They become cops for two reasons, one: to push people around, two: to collect big paychecks, big benefits, early retirement with job security. Society pays them and they turn on society like we are rabid dogs needing to be kicked into the gutter. They are now at a point where they isolate themselves socially from all non-cops. Even in the little town I live in, the city cops and and county cops on talk or socialize with eachother. Like they are now to superior to even be seen talking to a citizen. Fuckers make me sick to my stomach.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:33 | 4178969 Gringo Viejo
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The "knockout game" is just a harbinger of what's coming.

If you're not prepping, God help you.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:48 | 4178998 fonestar
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Or maybe "the knockout game" is just more race-baiting from the same MSM that brought you classic hits like, "Sandy Hoax", "The Batman Shootings", "Alex Jones nut attacks LAX", etc, etc?

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:49 | 4179013 Gringo Viejo
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@fonestar.....GL. Like the old never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes one's time and annoys the pig.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:59 | 4179033 Running On Bing...
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$10,000 for that video bro. Lispy faggot is the target.

Cash, gold, coin IDGAF. Just get the clip.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:00 | 4179041 fonestar
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I'm not saying that all of the attacks are fake but I am saying that people should question whatever the MSM reports these days and their reasons for doing so.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:10 | 4179069 superflex
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When a white cracka gets attacked, it's OK

When a Tribe member gets attacked, it's news.

Does that clear it up for you?

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:14 | 4179071 DaddyO
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Fear, the great motivator. If you want to move an 800lb cow, turn Willy the cowdog loose on her arse.

She'll move.

She's been conditioned to move since she was a little calf.

Ever seen the little rope that holds an elephant in place at the circus?

When the elephant was a little calf, they tied her up with a logging chain, now she won't move because she believes she can't.

TSA is doing the same thing, the unions have conditioned their members, on and on it goes.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:08 | 4179223 Offthebeach
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So, early '80s I'm going through the 82nds junior NCO academy. Were praticing expections by inspecting each others locker.
The whole thing is just pissing/bumming me out.
Even our underwear had to be folded and stacked a certain way.Such a pain that some had their stack of tighty whiteys sewn together by the Korean ladies that sowed all your rank and stuff on your uniforms.
Anyways I ask the old instructor what the hell stacked underwear had to do with killing people.
He said if the Army could get you to stack underwear, or a hundred other chicken shite stuff, yould do anything.


Its all about the conditioning.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:03 | 4179366 GreatUncle
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A soldier is conditioned to follow orders etc. and society conditions people.

When the conditioning fails it is like pandoras box opened up.

So the conditioning we received about money, investments, etc are all

good = conditioning still in place -->> Sheeple.

s^&t = rigged game conditioning fails -->> ZH people and the like.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:47 | 4179316 Sparkey
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You are smart Daddy! Thanks for your comments.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:27 | 4179442 DaddyO
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My wife and kids would beg to differ...

Hang around here and you'll read stuff from some really smart people who post on ZH.

I'm just an old fart whose fallen off the turnip wagon enough to know it hurts.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:09 | 4179373 nc551
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They did a study with monkeys or apes or some primate.  Put 3 in a room with a ladder that leads up to some food.  When any one monkey goes up the ladder to the food they hose the other two monkeys with ice cold water.  Before you know it no monkey can go up the ladder without being attacked.  Then you turn off the water and start swapping out the monkeys.  By the end of it you have 3 monkeys that have never been sprayed with water, that would never be sprayed with water, ferociously keeping any other monkey off that ladder.  Voila, tradition.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:21 | 4179427 Zero Point
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I saw a funny one once.

They were giving this monkey a slice of cucumber every time it performed some trask.

It was happy as Larry, doing this little task, and then getting it's cucumber.

Then they put another monkey next to it, doing the same task, only they were giving him grapes (apparently a monkey favourite).

The first monkey watched this for a while, then chucked a tantrum and refused to do his task, the cucumber now beneath him.

If looks could kill the monkey with the grapes (who was eating his grapes with a big dirty grin mind you), would have been vapourised.

Class warfare. Fucking hilarious.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 22:27 | 4179793 bonin006
Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:53 | 4179020 JohnG
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It isn't race baiting because race is very rarely mentioned in MSM accounts of these violent attacks.

It is a nationwide epidemic however.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:51 | 4179180 Nick Jihad
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How does race-baiting come into it?  According to the news, these attacks are carried out by "urban youths".

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:54 | 4179346 TBT or not TBT
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Euphemist-Americans on the rampage once again?

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:59 | 4179200 formadesika3
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<<It is a nationwide epidemic however.>>

It is not an epidemic. People use that word too loosely, as in "epidemic of gun violence, epidemic of overeating", etc. This is just what TPTB wants the illiterati to think as justification to trreat as a health issue.

What this is is a generation of young unparented feral african youths who feel emboldened by a black POTUS and an enabling MSM.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 21:09 | 4179579 fxrxexexdxoxmx
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You would think these young men would have their hands full killing each other. I say give them more guns and they would have less time to assault cracker strangers.

AA's are a funny people. They watch a murder of their neighor and say nothing. When they watch an attack on a cracker they laugh. I laugh when I read how many died in Chicago last month.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 22:39 | 4179824 formadesika3
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You sound bitter. Let it go, all you're doing is hurting yourself. Laugh at something truly funny like a WmBanzai7 post.


Fri, 11/22/2013 - 00:26 | 4180157 Serenity Now
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No.  They only race-bait when the shooter is white.   Or White Hispanic.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:49 | 4179011 pods
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Just wait to see what happens when the FRN loses reserve currency status.  Without that, they cannot keep half the countries belly full.

If you think it is bad when young men have nothing to do, wait till you see hungry young men with nothing to do and no hope.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:17 | 4179081 Running On Bing...
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La Lechonera Mojo marinade, my favorite.

Zombie meat never tasted so good.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:36 | 4179133 DaddyO
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I'm the choir on this one, pods and you're preaching to me. ;-)

Desparate people, do desparate things, just wait and see.

I'm glad I moved to the country a few years ago.

I still have to worry about lines of drift, but overall much more defensible than suburbia.

In fact had fresh broccoli right out of the garden and into the steamer for dinner tonight.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:05 | 4179216 Herd Redirectio...
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What about a few well-placed tripwires?  A bell or two, if you want to get fancy?

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:16 | 4179409 DaddyO
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What about an 80lb dog in the fenced compound around the house and an 18lb tazmanian devil dog inside.

Nothing moves within 20 acres of me without me hearing about it.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:53 | 4179024 aerojet
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That's nothing a few armed non-victims can't put an end to nationwide.  A few punks get DRT'ed and there won't be any more knockout game.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:01 | 4179049 pods
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Tough to do though, as these attacks are designed to be a surprise one shot attack, from what I have read.  You won't be threatened like a robbery.

And the first time one is shot, you will have sobbing family members blathering about how they just got caught up in a bad group.

Then you will get the boy scout pictures, picnics.

Then you will spend $100k defending yourself from a rabid state wanting to show that it "is doing something."

Basically the Trayvon Martin deal.



Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:44 | 4179162 DaddyO
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Situational awareness is a great deterent but not an antidote.

Always be at Condition Orange when out at the marketplace.

Always be at Condition Yellow when home watching TV, always have Roscoe handy, even when on the couch.

Just go to a big box store and watch the sheeple leaving, note that most have no clue about how to survey one's surroundings when walking to their car or what have you.

Always look ahead to see what has parked next to your car before clicking the auto door locks or going between them.

Seems like common sense but most are oblivious.



Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:02 | 4179207 foodstampbarry
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I'm still thinking of your steamed broccoli out of the garden. ;)

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:07 | 4179220 DaddyO
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Nothing better than fresh from the garden produce, so yummy and nutritious.

The best way to know what your eating is to know who grew it.



Thu, 11/21/2013 - 21:19 | 4179614 Bangin7GramRocks
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I agree with you, but don't use that case as an example. I think we all see now that Zimmerman is a fucking lunatic. He is the new Rodney King. That fucking guy got all the sympathy and kept committing crimes. Same thing will happen to Zimmerman. Prison will find that fuck eventually.

Fri, 11/22/2013 - 09:55 | 4180808 pods
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To be honest, I don't care if he goes on to commit crimes. I am not about punishing a man for what is in his head or heart. That is for the statists.

What I am saying is that a narrative can easily be changed and there is little you can do about it.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:17 | 4179079 RobD
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From the videos I've seen you would have to have eyes in the the back of your head and lightning fast reflexes to turn the table on these punks. The cowards give no warning or attack from directly behind. It's funny remember the story of Obamas granny being afraid of the "black man walking towards her" well this makes it totally valid to feel that way.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:08 | 4179225 Herd Redirectio...
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But... They always travel in packs.  So I would imagine you would be looking at groups of 4 or more, before they are emboldened to attack.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:21 | 4179421 DaddyO
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Again the pack of wolves is looking for weakness, just like in the wild.

If you appear weak and defenseless, you're sure to be treated as such.

A cattle farmer who owns a large pasture down the road got tired of losing calfs to the coyotes.

His solution was to buy 4 Burros and put them in with the cattle, problem solved because the burros aren't afraid of the coyotes.

My solution is to look like I have Uncle Glock and his extended family with me when I'm out and about.


Fri, 11/22/2013 - 00:35 | 4180177 Serenity Now
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Or maybe he shot Trayvon in self-defense like the cops and prosecutor concluded before the MEDIA and the nation made it their business to usurp Florida's sovereignty in criminal matters and ruin Zimmerman's life.  You do know that the Zimmerman case was NOBODY'S business in the entire world outside of Florida?  

No, most people don't know that.  And that is scary.  The fact that the MSM makes every sensational case a nationwide story is brainwashing at its finest.  

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:18 | 4179245 forwardho
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In todays America, after DRTing said punks the media will portray them as innocent children and the armed non-victim will go bankrupt defending himself from a 2nd degree murder charge.

All is not hopeless though... since 2009 the abortion rate for a certain minority in NYC has risen to over 80%. Given time perhaps they will kill themselves off.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:35 | 4179273 22winmag
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Keyword "a few".


It wouldn't take tens of millions of heavily armed and pissed off Americans to bring any opposing force to it's knees... it would only take a fraction of 1% of heavily armed and pissed off Americans to do so.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:34 | 4178972 JP McManus
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Shoveling shit for $60k a year doesn't mean it's a middle class job. It just means I'm an over paid shit shoveler.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:45 | 4179005 The Abstraction...
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When all in the kingdom wear crowns, score symphonies and author great plays the rebel who shovels shit is the most valued man in the land.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:52 | 4179010 Rainman
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Jamie and Lloyd and all other Shit Shovelers salute you !

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 21:21 | 4179621 Bangin7GramRocks
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I honor the shit shoveler. He accomplishes a necessary task. The overpaid bond and stock shuffling leeches that populate this site. Now there are some useless turds!

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:42 | 4178990 corporatewhore
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at my age it's just easier to tune in, turn on, drop out.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:41 | 4178991 wisehiney
Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:42 | 4178995 NOTaREALmerican
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As long as I get my (evil) OldFart medical scam in a few years I'll be happy.

Socialism is great if you are getting free motorscooters and hip replacements.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:01 | 4179039 IridiumRebel
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So you're dumb and evil....ok. Why not go after the Corpoate Welfare junkies like GE instead old people who have seen their wealth strip mined? Shithead.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:45 | 4179310 DaddyO
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Socialism is great if you are getting free motorscooters and hip replacements.

So what happens when you run out of other peoples money?

Let's just ramp up the giveawys to the FSA and let the collapse accelerate into oblivion...


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:45 | 4179003 One And Only
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Treating people equally and trying to make everyone equal are worlds apart. This unfortunately is symptomatic of the latter and a natural consequence of progressivism ahem communism.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:51 | 4179016 The Abstraction...
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Since when did communists treat people as they treat themselves their own offspring?

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:50 | 4179519 spooz
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Yes, everybody has an equal opportunity to not find a living wage job.  And as nepotism grows, those born on third base who think they've hit a triple speak of treating people equally.  As if that has anything to do sith "progressivism".

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 17:47 | 4179008 WhoMe
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The 5 Year Stimulus Bill.

So apparently 5 years of FED ultra low interest rates hasn't been as good for most US households as some would have guessed.


"The part of the report that interested me is the idea that households (and specifically U.S. households) lost rather than gained because interest rates were low. After all, we think of U.S. households as being rabid spenders rather than savers. But apparently not so: The McKinsey research found that U.S. households have lost $360-billion in net interest income. Then again, it was apparently the top 10 per cent of earners who got dinged the most, as they were the ones most likely to have savings."

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:28 | 4179112 max2205
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Sorry but they made 300% over 5 years in sockzzzz...

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:03 | 4179031 JR
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“Blame it on the Fed, blame it on globalization, blame it on corporations who have a virtually unlimited labor, cheap and global pool to pick from, but the bottom line is US workers have zero leverage.” – Tyler Durden

Blame it on Congress. They have been the bought prostitutes serving the banker-connected corporations and lobbyists. Why else in a time of desperate unemployment, an explosion in part-time, benefits stripped, would the Congress be working on a new surge of Third World immigration aimed at holding down the living-wage salaries of American workers?

The Congress, having been charged with representing the people, instead has stabbed them all with the ravages of inflation, unemployment, and a descending dark curtain over the free enterprise culture that made America the greatest producer in the world.

It was the labor of American workers who bailed out an insolvent Goldman Sachs in 2008 and it was this same Goldman Sachs along with Visa and Nike who were added September 23, 2013, to the Dow Jones Industrial Average while Hewlett-Packard, Bank of America and Alcoa slipped into the shadows. The Fed has become the mirror of Goldman Sachs and now the DOW is Goldman Sachs.

If America wants her freedom back and a Congress that would respond to the people and not to the bankers she must close the doors on the Federal Reserve Bank.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:19 | 4179088 medium giraffe
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For further clarity, see The Kama Sutra of Vatsyayana, Chapter IX, "Mouth Congress".



The following eight things are then done by the eunuch one after the other:

The nominal congress
Biting the sides
Pressing outside
Pressing inside
Sucking a mango fruit
Swallowing up        " (no pictures btw)

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:32 | 4179271 Jendrzejczyk
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No blobbing up?

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:13 | 4179402 lotsoffun
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oh thanks mr. giraffe.  you explained my previous question.  i don't think all my h1b co-workers actually suck the mango fruit, but they might if they had to be sent back.  and they would certainly be more familiar with kama sutra.  so - that's why we bring them here.  gandhi was apparently really good with sour mangos.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:55 | 4179515 medium giraffe
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 I was merely comparing the MO of the incumbents, vis-a-vis their lustful engagement with corporate ring masters, to a comparable example of someone getting sucked off as described in a sacred text by a nice Indian gentleman quite some time ago.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:29 | 4179119 starfcker
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JR, the price of these traitors gets cheaper and cheaper. clinton got rewarded like a king. bush, not so much. they probably won't have to pay obama, he will probably end up like a ballplayer who made millions and ends up broke. but look how they line up to take a shot at the prize, rubio, ryan, flake, etc., willing to deep throat any and all for personal gain, willing to destroy the country, and unaware they are just throwaway trash to the big boys, and radioactive to their fellow americans. 

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:35 | 4179134 JR
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Exactly right and not a note too harsh. It’s not headed toward George Washington again. It’s headed toward Joe Stalin.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:53 | 4179186 beercandad
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Don't forget barry and gang in "adminstration".Just as guilty.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:33 | 4179269 MachoMan
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@ JR

Why do you think that congress doesn't represent the wishes of the people?  If you mean, act in the country's best interest, then that's a different matter...  but I think congress does a bang up job with the bread and circuses demanded by the people.  (of course, the free lunch eventually ends, but I digress).

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:12 | 4179393 lotsoffun
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my bank posted a sign today. it made me beyond angry and disgusted.  it was needed to be 'publicly' posted.  they are looking for 6 to 7 h1b visas as data analysts 120 to 170k per year.  (think our friends in india).  how can the labor department approve this?  i don't understand.  how can they keep bringing people here from overseas when the employment is so bad?  who is running this hidden agenda and why?  that isn't 'cheap'.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 21:12 | 4179593 Vendetta
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"Blame it on Congress. They have been the bought prostitutes serving the banker-connected corporations and lobbyists. Why else in a time of desperate unemployment, an explosion in part-time, benefits stripped, would the Congress be working on a new surge of Third World immigration aimed at holding down the living-wage salaries of American workers?"

Amen brother.  I haven't seen or heard of congress doing anything good for the working (or not) American in over 20 years ...

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:01 | 4179047 kchrisc
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“What’s being referred to as a recovery in manufacturing is to a large extent a recovery in profitability,”

One of the symptoms and diseases of inflation is the consumption of capital disguised as profits. I.e. businesses think that profits are going up and invest accordingly, when actually capital is being consumed via inventory-costing and depreciation.

They ultimately find themselves with too much capacity and no money to repair/replace what they can use.

And of course who "produces" the inflation?! The FedRes in cahoots with their criminals in government.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:14 | 4179052 W74
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The Neo-Feudal System is not just about wages, it's also about declining homeownership and the increasing push to get people into more expensive rental housing where they lose 100% of their monthly payment and build 0 equity.  This is ultimately the jewish desire to ruin the American middle class which is the biggest (perceived) threat to their control over finance, politics, media, and all aspects of society.

I do not foresee in my lifetime a return to seeing independent Yeomen who steward their own land as the default norm.  Not only is this terrible from an economic standpoint, but that lifestyle was perhaps the most socially responsible way to maintain families, communities, and to raise children.  Prepare to see a rise in urban degeneracy promoted by loose social norms, the "it's all good" attitude, and lack of healthy art and culture replaced by talentless and formless degeneracy.

The other main difference is that instead of having a castle to look at where peasants who worked the fields gave a percentage of their crop to the Baron/Earl, etc. we now have a system where workers are giving ever higher percentages of their income to neo-feudal land LORDS (often out of state) in exchange for shelter. 

When you had a castle an organized mob could storm the man hiding behind the walls when the lord's excesses became too great, or attack him and his enterage while traveling.  Today it is harder to assault a fellon hiding behind the corporate veil.

At least in the old feudal system the Baron had an incentive to protect the population and could send out knights (before conscript armies most "security personnel" were professionals and basically mercenaries) to fend off invaders and bandits.  Today you just get booted off the land.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:21 | 4179092 YC2
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A very astute post here the other day made me realize the landowners are playing the game, the banks and govt own the game through leins, and the BIS et al invented the game.


The little people like you and me are not even pawns.  however, if we are using Monopoly as the metaphor, I get to be the racecar!

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:15 | 4179066 chdwlch1
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This is very reminiscent of the 1920's here in America. Many forget that there was a panic in 1921 that precipitated the Great Depression. Labor issues were also very apparent during this time (as was the clear and growing chasm between the haves and have-nots). Banks foreclosed on farms in the 20's, today they're foreclosing on houses.

Something to consider...the initial crisis took place in 1921. Eight years later, the Great Depression forced itself on society.  We had a major financial crisis in 2008. Be weary of history repeating (rhyming) in 2016.

Coincidently, Martin Armstrong speaks of a 8.16 year business cycle and is also forecasting a major economic downward trend beginning around 2016. Prepare accordingly.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:11 | 4179068 pupdog1
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GE's Imelt is the leading whore in the country when it comes to bringing in H1-b visas from India and such places, after certifying that technical talent is not available in the US. The US is swimming in home-grown technical talent, but he buys off the Congresswhores so he can pay half as much. Imelt also has his own private entrance to the oval office.

Simple as pie.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:19 | 4179085 noless
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Love the painting.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:23 | 4179094 Stuck on Zero
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How many of those U.S. workers are illegal aliens and recent immigrants?


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:25 | 4179097 q99x2
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When Goldman Sachs moves in to take down a nation they don't fuck around.

They start with the President and Senators of Washington D.C,. the military industrial comples and, then the middle class.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:43 | 4179144 Bawneee Fwank
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Lawmaker tells Boeing workers to take over

While Boeing CEO’s are free to leave, Boeing's assets - including the intellectual property developed by generations of dedicated engineers and machinists – would need to be taken into democratic public ownership.

Socialist lawmaker urges workers to 'take over' Boeing
Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:51 | 4179181 SmittyinLA
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Seattle just elected a Socialist city council member, an Indian HB1 visa beneficiary

 Seattle would be the home stomping ground of the Boeing Machinist Union. 

Fuck Boeing and fuck their union members, they are now SEIU-AIR.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:39 | 4179151 island
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Monopolies and near monopolies -- that is what your leaders have been bringing us for decades.  The end of real competition IS the end of Capitalism, and coupled with big business (particularly publically owned big businesses) instead of local businesses -- then you have created the foundation of feudalism.  

So it goes.  This too shall pass - after many years and much turmoil

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:45 | 4179168 SmittyinLA
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Boeing machinists can't do math.

The Boeing machinist jobs were dependent upon the cost of electricity, that's why they located their plants next to massvie hydro electric facilities with huge excesses of cheap clean energy. 

They voted to Socialize the electrical grid (and the juice for their plants and parts suppliers) to promote their crony Socialist green energy agenda.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:01 | 4179208 moneybots
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"They voted to Socialize the electrical grid (and the juice for their plants and parts suppliers) to promote their crony Socialist green energy agenda."


The cost of labor is the issue, not the cost of elctricity.  The other plant pays less, as it is non union.  that is why they built it there, not because electricity was cheaper.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:46 | 4179170 moneybots
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"The good news for workers: each day of pain for them means a day of joy for the shareholders - typically those in US society who already are the wealthiest."


Balance sheet.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:50 | 4179182 Obchelli
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This is Russian Painter Ilia Repin 


Barge Haulers on the Volga 

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 21:13 | 4179598 lakecity55
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I bet Backdoor Barry has a copy of that in the bathroom he can study while dumping Reggie's stuff from his butthole.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:55 | 4179188 Running On Bing...
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Lispy little faggots have no clue about situational awareness especially at one of their giddy little broadway productions, with all the young boys prancing around and such.

They don't call it a Superman punch for nothing.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 18:55 | 4179192 moneybots
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This is really a symbol of what’s going on in this whole country,” said Machinist Thomas Campbell, 40. “We’re losing middle-class jobs.”


It is a symptom of what is going on in the world.  The completion of a long term cycle.

It has been coming since 1933.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:06 | 4179218 moneybots
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“GE’s business units continuously review their operations and sometimes have to make tough decisions to keep up with market trends, address customer demands or reduce cost,”


Replacing the CEO with someone less expensive would reduce cost.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:45 | 4179311 Herd Redirectio...
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No, the CEO has to be a member of the club, and make sure orders are followed.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:10 | 4179222 Son of Captain Nemo
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Somebody needs to send this one to all the defense contractors and the lead "dick for breaths" at the Pentagon that will soon be passing through the revolving door to there new civilian jobs at NG, Lockheed, Boeing and Raytheon.

Maybe this is why our Drones keep crashing and the F-22 and F-35 program(s) have become such eye sores? Not only do they not care about the quality of their workforce anymore, they have forgotten and are no longer familiar with the prerequisites for program management up to and including the RFP.

Sad fact is the U.S. once led the way in quality control standards and with few exceptions dominated in just about every niche of manufacturing.

Not anymore and this is why.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:09 | 4179228 lailapa
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World War III - The First Private War in History

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:11 | 4179230 Sweet Pea
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Totally lovin my new part-time funemployment.  Gives me more time to drink.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:04 | 4179370 lotsoffun
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and please spend more time shopping.  shopping for things you don't need, with money you don't have.  get some ebt's baby!  and an obama phone.


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 21:17 | 4179608 Vendetta
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"and please spend more time shopping.  shopping for things you don't need, with money you don't have.  get some ebt's baby"

Made in countries that want us to fail like the politicians in the US.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:11 | 4179231 Richard Whitney
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This is the result of wanting to pay less. GE at $29 per hour would lose a bid to a competitor at $12 an hour. It would be senseless for them not to attempt to wring costs from their structure.

Are you a CEO or CFO? Would you keep a purchasing agent who said he bought the same exact item at a higher price than he could have paid?

When you shop for a personal item, do you look for the highest price you can find, and pay that price?

Do you pay list for books/music/DVD, or do you buy from Amazon?

Job quality decline is a by-product of our own drive to get the lowest possible price.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:15 | 4179240 zipit
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RE: "welcome to the new feudal system.": We've been there for years, it's just that more people are edging closer to waking from their brain-feeding-tube-induced oblivion.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:53 | 4179344 22winmag
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When I overhear everyday slobs like the butcher, the baker, and the candlestick maker discussing things like false flags, the FED, Benghazigate, IRSgate, NSAgate and so on at the local pizza shop or gas station, I know that revolution is near.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:38 | 4179281 22winmag
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Hmmmmm... tens of millions of heavily armed and pissed off patriotic Americans vs. a gaggle of traitors, henchmen, and gangbangers?


You know who I'm putting my money on when the lights go out. See you in the streets, and in the trenches.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:47 | 4179319 DaddyO
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Couldn't agree more!

With the purged military, obummer may have some cool hardware and the goons willing to use it on their own countrymen, but the purgees will have the last say!


Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:28 | 4179447 wisehiney
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Ain't it something how these fools forgive some scumbag for playing the knock out game on their granny, and spit and curse at the mention of the TEA Party -  the very people you would pray were there when the mofo's came after granny.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:36 | 4179470 DaddyO
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That's cause the TEA party stand for something and are willing to take a stand no matter the cost.

That principle is offensive to the liberal mindset who are either victim minded or see the state as the savior.

Ever notice how obummer is always framing the us vs. them argument in all he says.

The beer summit is a prime example.

Our society has been reprogrammed to believe they are victims of the big, bad, evil rich business owners. All the while, the .gov is happy to help them in their disfunction.

It's only going to get worse as the FSA grows. EBT is going to be a linch pin in the coming reset.


Fri, 11/22/2013 - 01:16 | 4180275 Serenity Now
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"Our society has been reprogrammed to believe they are victims of the big, bad, evil rich business owners. All the while, the .gov is happy to help them in their disfunction."



I am so glad to see someone type this.  This brainwashing has infiltrated our society.

 Corporations are not controlling you!  It's not PepsiCo who is patting you down at the airport.  It's not Walmart that is forcing you to buy a product you don't want (like Obamacare).  Coach doesn't steal your money via taxes and give it away to people you don't even know.  Government does all that, man!

Honestly, where did this anti-business meme come from?  Communism, that's where.  Don't buy into it.

(Hat tip to Dennis Prager, whose rant against anti-corporatism I am paraphrasing.)

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:50 | 4179323 blindman
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john trudell from 1980,
First Voices Indigenous Radio
minute 10.
Thursday November 21 9:00am
John Trudell: We are power

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:49 | 4179324 Darth Sidious
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its not that complicated ... the fed subsidizes capital with its low interest rates and bond buying.  there are only two factors of production: capital and labor.  When one is subsidized you get more of it at the expense of the other. 

the fed encourages the substitution of capital for labor . . .

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 19:50 | 4179327 Darth Sidious
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its not that complicated ... the fed subsidizes capital with its low interest rates and bond buying.  there are only two factors of production: capital and labor.  When one is subsidized you get more of it at the expense of the other. 

the fed encourages the substitution of capital for labor . . .

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:12 | 4179395 Robert of Ottawa
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Crash, burn, flames.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 20:35 | 4179468 bugs_
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Dear boeing machinists (and airbus machinists):

Do you really think you are necessary to glue all the chinese parts together over here (or eurothere)?

Would it not make more neomercantilist sense to have all the chinese components glued together over there?

Of course it does!  And your "friends" you pay dues to elect will see to it that this happens with happy pockets.

Other unfortunate American workers have felt this pain before you and because noone did anything it has now reached you and is tapping on your shoulder.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 21:38 | 4179486 notquantumdum
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I may be wrong, but I have an apparently uncommon view of certain aspects of economics which I never hear mentioned in the media, anywhere.  I believe certain aspects of economics are incredibly simple and predictable.  For example, if something becomes more expensive -- no matter what that "thing" is -- it will become more scarce in a [supposedly-]free-market.  Always.  ['In the long-term if not the short.]

When the costs of having an employee, in the US, go up for any reason [whether due to taxes, litigation, compliance with regulation, or anything else], employees, in the US, become more scarce.  That means more people are moved from the workforce to the pool of people who are likely to be looking for work.  These are essentially a pool of people competing with one-another to lower the "offer price" of the cost of labor (until a high bidder comes in and hires someone, "hitting their offer").  It works kind of like the stock market -- sans Fed and HFT.

The more people who are in the pool of people looking for work, relatively, the greater the reduction in the price of labor will be from what it would have been otherwise.

This increases the disparities of wealth and income, due to lower labor costs, per worker; and [let's face it] historically, the rich have done just fine during most hard economic times, which are also facilitated by less employees in the economy.

There may be good reasons why this is sometimes justified due to the overall value to society for having these higher costs, but that is not a good enough justification for all cost increases.

['Plus all the things in this article which also contributed to more "offers" in the offer stack of the labor book.]

All that being the case, I challenge everyone to think of even one policy change in the last 7 years WHICH DID NOT MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE to have an employee in the US [except for the payroll tax holiday which has already been repealed].

Come on, someone can think of something, can't you?  [They must have changed thousands of things!  Can one possibly describe this process, accurately, as anything but a "War on Workers?"]

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 21:43 | 4179674 Vendetta
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"All that being the case, I challenge everyone to think of even one policy change in the last 7 years WHICH DID NOT MAKE IT MORE EXPENSIVE to have an employee in the US"

I can't think of any policy change in the last 20 years that hasn't.  Your logic is spot on HOWEVER EXPECTING the media to give rigorous journalistic treatment of such a topic and the true reasons WHY things are going the way they are is naive (not to diss or offend you).  The only mainstream-like journalist to ask real questions and discuss real topics seems to be Bill Moyers (perhaps there are others but I don't know who they are) and is likely the reason he is NOT huge in the 'mainstream'.

What I find interesting in what little mainstream media I bother listening or watching anymore is how artfully they dodge discussing real meat and potatoes topics in any substantive way whatsoever.  For example, try to find any substantive debate or discussion about the pros and cons of globalization, trade agreements and/or outsourcing that is mainstream or even close to 'mainstream'.  the closest thing I have found was Zappa on crossfire  in 80's predicting a fascist theocracy and it looks pretty much he saw it clearly and was correct ... so far.  A lot here seem to see things as socialist but I don't even though there are elements of it in this society but the big picture is all fascist with corporate control of government.  Notice the media types attack the living shit out of zappa over 'bad words'... insignificant and irrelevant.



Thu, 11/21/2013 - 22:05 | 4179706 notquantumdum
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'know what you mean [except for Moyers, I think ... ?].  I certainly don't expect the media to do anything but the same.  I was just attempting to illuminate the disparity for anyone who hadn't already noticed [as if there actually are any such readers of ZH].

I think of less-complicated [but possibly wrong] notions:

Like, could the size of the spending of the politicians be proportional to the power of the politicians, and isn't that proportional to their corruption?:

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 21:07 | 4179572 lakecity55
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"My plan is almost complete, Joe."
"Cool, Boss. I did see a few folks shopping at a high-end store last week I did not know."
"ObuttfuckCare, Joe, just be patient. Next time you see those folks they'll be dumpster diving!"

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 21:57 | 4179716 Jack Burton
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This hardly squares with the claims that Obama is a socialist giving power to unions to kick around business and corporations. To tax corporations and the rich out of the country. Quite the contrary. Under Obama corporate power expands at light speed, wages fall, private unions die, benefits die, jobs go overseas. Quality of jobs is central to the story. There is a difference between making appliances at $12 an hour and being a union cop at 75 grand a year. So yes, get a government job, they are the last middle class jobs remaining behind the great collapae of middle class jobs.

It is true, world labor is all in the same pool. Were I a corporate CEO responsible for producing the biggest bottom line possible. I would take every job and move it to China or India. I can get all the skills and cheap labor I need from one or the other. I can produce the goods and ship them back to feed the USA consumers what they want. Look at APPLE, they know this. China makes everything they sell, except to odd thing they might still make here. They profit, the workers get jack shit. But in China, even Jack Shit looks good. For every worker who kill himself in desperation at the hard work, low pay and long hours, 100 people want to take the dead man's place. This is Plantation Capitalism, it is the model for the 21 st century. Americans still think they are special, they shoudl get higher wages, this is a myth, it is not real. No Americna is entitled to anything under a free market. You get only what you earn, entitlement is dead. As a global worker, you compete with every Chinaman's son or daughter who went to good schools and studied hard 12 hours a day from age 5 to 25. Can you say the same? I'll answer for you: "NO". You jerked off in school and now you want higher wages than Johnny Chinaman. Well GE, APPLE and others don't buy that shit. They want Johnny Chinaman at $1 an hour, instead of you at $20 an hour. New World Order. Bush the elder called it, Clinton embraced it, Bush II enacted it, and now Obama is the world's number one New World Order enabeler.

Fri, 11/22/2013 - 07:02 | 4180609 redd_green
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Yep!  The only socialist benefits are going to huge corporations.  More like anti-socialism.

Thu, 11/21/2013 - 23:31 | 4179966 Duc888
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“This Is Really A Symbol Of What’s Going On In This Whole Country. We’re Losing Middle-Class Jobs”"


"No fucking shit, sice about 1980 or so.

Wake the fuck up.


You guys crack me the fuck up sometimes.  30 years too late to the party.


Fri, 11/22/2013 - 00:41 | 4180196 mumbo_jumbo
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$14 an hour...FUCK!!, that was shit money in 1995

Fri, 11/22/2013 - 07:01 | 4180608 redd_green
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Tylers, what do you mean "losing".   The term is "lost" I believe.  CHina didn't get 500 million into the middle class from hard work ethics.   Americans were fired, and those jobs sent there, and india as well.   Its all in the past tense.

Fri, 11/22/2013 - 15:29 | 4181860 CitizenPete
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" CHina didn't get 500 million into the middle class from hard work ethics.   "  Guess you have never been in a Chinese company or factory in Shanghai or Shenzhen.   Not exactly a lot of lounging around the water cooler talking footbah or surfing the web during work hours in manufactuing plants or offices for that mater.    


China is starting with new infustructure and a productive low age work force.  What do we have in the US (in general / on average) -- crumbling infustructure and old age workforce.  In some markets like energy there is already a shortage of workers due to boomers leaving to go live the retirement life.  Unfortunately we can't import electricity and gas -- if we could then cheap labor in China would provide that too. 

Work ethics my ass. 

Fri, 11/22/2013 - 08:04 | 4180666 orangegeek
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The only middle class jobs that will be left are gubermint jobs.


Middle class success - working for da gubermint.

Sat, 11/23/2013 - 06:42 | 4183286 MSimon
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The Internet (Amazon etc.) is killing more jobs than the Chinese ever stole.

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