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Experts Warn Healthcare.gov So Big And So Riddled With Security Flaws It Should Be Shut Down, Rebuilt From Scratch
While the abysmal rollout of Obamacare hardly needs any additional debacles, a recent hearing by technology experts in Congress added yet another, quite major, wrinkle to an already insurmountable problem: healthcare.gov is so fraught with security flaws, and so bloated with code, that it may easily expose the personal data of millions (we are being generous here) of users - it collects user names, birth dates, social security numbers, email addresses and much more - to even the least experienced of hackers.
It gets worse: when asked "Do any of you think today that the site is secure?" the answer from the experts, which included two academics and two private sector technical researchers, was a unanimous "no."
And worse when the experts were asked "would you recommend today that this site be shut down until it is?" three of the experts said "yes," while a fourth said he did not have enough information to make the call.
But the worst news of the day the experts said the site needed to be completely rebuilt to run more efficiently, making it easier to protect. They said HealthCare.gov runs on 500 million lines of code, or 25 times the size of Facebook, one of the world's busiest sites.
Well... "Obama built that"
More from Reuters:
David Kennedy, head of computer security consulting firm TrustedSec LLC and a former U.S. Marine Corps cyber-intelligence analyst, gave lawmakers a 17-page report that highlights the problems with the site and warned that some of them remain live.
The site lets people know invalid user names when logging in, allowing hackers to identify user IDs, according to the report, which also warns of other security bugs.
Avi Rubin, director of the Information Security Institute at Johns Hopkins University and an expert on health and medical security, said he needed more data before calling for a shutdown of the site.
"Bringing down the site is a very drastic response," he told Reuters after the hearing.
But he would not use it because he is concerned about security bugs that have been made public, he said.
The White House spin was prepared and ready to go:
"The privacy and security of consumers' personal information are a top priority," White House spokesman Jay Carney said after the hearing.
"When consumers fill out their online marketplace applications they can trust that the information that they are providing is protected by stringent security standards."
Perhaps what he meant is that since the NSA already knows all the private information on every American there is no need to be concerned.
Finally, should Obama finally do the right thing and scrap the three year project and start from scratch, "in written testimony, Kennedy said it would take a minimum of seven to 12 months to fix the problems with the site shut down, given the site's complexity and size."
As a reminder, this is how "big" healthcare.gov is:
Perhaps it is not all bad news: it may be time to test the broken website falacy - just think of the GDP boost that would be created if Obama were to hire 1,000,000 inexperienced programmers coding randomly for three years (again).
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I bet the integration with NSA servers is the only part working flawlessly.
Correct. By design.
With python/django or ruby/rails, you can condense the physical number of lines of code to something so incredibly small and powerful that it's impressive and stuff.
Obviously they used .NET and windoze or someshit like that.
Python is rocks! Favorite is part for Trojan Rabbit.
I rate that joke C++
This thing was built in .NET and is running on IIS 7.5 .... what do you expect
Real men program in LISP.
Attorney's should have a field day when the multitudes have to fight the system to get their identities back. The ramifications of this colossal failure will be felt for years and years.
500 million lines of code?!?!?!
I know what some people are going to be doing tonight....
It sounds like a massive cut and paste job. I know they didn't write 500 million lines of anything in 3 years. It's a bunch of "glue logic" to link thousands of legacy systems running all sorts of stuff. Probably 2-3 real programmers and 100's of politically connected "managers". With the thousands of pages of regulations and the whole federal register of other regs to deal with, I would rate it a special level of hell for any techy to find themselves in.
What I thought, they must have included every single library and repo of every single dependent system to get that number.
This is government work.
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Seriously, no "real" programmer would even consider working on such a project. Too much beaurocracy and redtape and muddle management interference - a "real" programmers worst nightmare! No, the only people working on this project were people who essentially are the welfare handout end of those who call themselves IT proferssionals but couldn't code their way our of a paper bag.
I think you mean:
((((Real men program in LISP))))
Thanks Say What Again...I've been waiting for a LISP reference for weeks!
Really BIG MEN program in Forth.
: PROGRAM FORTH DO BIG MEN IN UNTIL LOOP ;
Netcraft sez it is linux bitches http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?host=healthcare.gov&x=7&y=5
asp.net = asp.nyet. Did you like that, Boris?
Da! You are very smart funny!
Here is how the website got so screwed up.
1) Put out bids for work
2) Give it to the lowest bidder
3) Make sure this bidder is incompetant (i.e. minority owned crony)
4) Underfund the project and demand unrealistic goals
5) Demand no accountability
Welcome to the US gov't!
I think it was:
1) Call up your old college pal.
2) Give them a no bid contract.
3) Make sure they had failed in previous tech projects.
4) Back up an armored car with a shit ton of money in it and drop it at their door.
5) When they completely screw the pooch on the project, pay them more money.
6) Demand no accounting so no one really knows how much was spent.
7) Simples.gov
You forgot #8--campaign kickback.
No.
It's more like this. Give the contract to the company where one of the top executives is the former college roommate of Michelle Obama.
Bids? Seriously?
I think there was a bug in the headline. Corrected version:
Experts Warn .gov so Big and Riddled with Security Flaws it Should Be Shut Down, Rebuilt From Scratch.
Sure, but then again bad python code is bad code.
The front end of Healthcare.gov runs Linux http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?host=healthcare.gov&x=7&y=5
So I doubt any backend servers would be running .NET.
They are probably running servers with assorted OS's and versions, which is probably where it got complicated. I don't know if Linux based system can easily consume .NET ASMX or WCF web services...
CGI's website has job listings mostly for non-M$FT related development like Oracle, Java and Websphere.
I don't think these guys made anything using IIS or Windows... at least not in the USA if you read their website right.
WCF services can be consumed using SOAP over HTTP or TCP, so I wouldn't think that would be a problem.
According to this story http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/05/us-usa-healthcare-technology-analysis-idUSBRE99407T20131005 one of the main problems is that "The site basically DDOS'd itself,".
At that level it is largely agnostic...
I doubt that there's a single linux box in the system, as nobody gets paid big bucks for it.
It's also likely not NSA sponsored.
linux, windoze, zos (IBM big iron), COBOL, cp/m (just kidding) it all talks on the web. But, there's a good chance the systems are swapping lots of xml back and forth. Lots of time spent parsing, reparsing and constructing that xml. Please don't disparage an OS just because it was unlucky enough to get sucked into this vortex....
DOS is more or less cp/m so you aren't far off.
Even if the law was good (which according to many, it isn't), what these statist bureaucrats don't understand is that you cannot build an extremely complex and dynamic system (I'm not talking about the website only) from scratch and in one shot without giving it opportunity to grow, get real feedback, learn from mistakes, capitalize on it and self-integrate. No amount of "test cases" dream-up by developers and analyst can shortcut this natural need to grow.
Probably the only reason why healthcare systems in other countries (even with strong socialist/bureaucratic regime) are some more successful is that they have a very long and progressive history behind them.
No one is that good. Exept Obama of course/
So, do we get our money back from CGI?
And who goes to jail? Sibelius?
I agree with the "shut down" part, Not the "rebuilt"
Keep in mind Obummer's "buds" built this POS. The emperor is desperately looking for some clothes.
I'd rather it stay the inefficient pile of shit that it is.
I have no doubt you will get your wish----this POS is with us till the end of gov't as we know it. YYYEEEEHHHHAAAAA
They should have stopped at "shut down". No need to rebuild it. It's a bad law from the beginning. Rife with fraud and graft.
You understand perfectly.
Agreed. The MSM seems to think the technology is only bad.
The techonology is the BEST part. It's the law that really STINKS.
Like the black hole it is, it will suffer a heat death as it evaporates to a zero size event horizon. Hey, entropy is a bitch. May the farce be with it!
cant moochele , talk to her website college friend
for another large chunk of change fix it
Be aware that moochelle lost her license to practice law because of her involvement in insurance fraud. One wonders if her college friend was working with moochelle, at that time.
The real issue isn't the website tho; it's the frigging LAW that needs to be struck down.
Dysfunctional website is natural compliment for inoperable legislation. Good as luck with that, Amerika!
7 to 12 months? That's just a tad optimistic.
I used to think "never" but I now consider that overly optimistic.
I would make the probability of that epsilon. But then take the limit as epsilon goes to zero.
Fuck Bitches smoke weed. What else can you do? This country is fucked. We gave it away to the dogs.
Throw another $600Mn at it! That'll fix it!
/s
Or they could just hire the 3 guys who wrote a working site...http://www.thehealthsherpa.com/ (didn't ask for my first born and the rates, if accurate, are far less than samples from Ocare.Gov)
They probably will decide to "throw another $600Mn at it!", since their existence is about putting ungodly sums of money into the pockets of their cronies.
Now I understand why the cost was 600 million.
Their contract stipulated they would be paid $1.20 per line of code, with no cap on lines needed.
Back in the day, IBM used to charge for code by the kloc (1000 lines of code), until allegedly Bill Gates started getting contracts for non-bloatware based on functional milestones (hard to imagine, yes, I know).
I work in IT and in a lot of cases this is the best way to solve design issues. Something as big as Healthcare.gov cannot work by definition. They need to reduce the codebase drastically and put some effort to actually test the site before it released. How many hours of testing did the MS spend to release buggy Windows Vista?
If the whole healthcare thing doesn't work out, maybe they can give lines of code to every American instead?
If it can be considered the new currency Obamacoin.
skip the rebuilding part - keep government out of health care - government is evil and incompetent
Perhaps Michelle has a pal up in Canada who can fix it all up.
Citizenry of Canadia are as nice to be. Maybe is make good lumber jack or know expert method for kill baby seal, but not to make as web site!
.....good people for making maple syrup and hockey pucks too
milk in a bag
Like Danni Ashe's bags??
The only Canadians I would trust with anything is Ron McLean and Don Cherry.
You are to forget Bob and Doug McKenzie!?
Built for us by CGI Federal - CGI Federal is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Canadian firm CGI Group - a Quebec base firm.
How the fuck did Barry and his band of nazis choose a french Canadian company to built this piece of shit?????
Next time Barry, to build a US system, hire a US company you stupid fuck!!!!!!
Here is the answer to your question:
http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2013/10/no-bid-contract-for-obamacare-website.html
It was in Hacker news this morning about another JBoss vulnerability exposed today if you want to read it, Healthcare.Gov is using JBoss Open source and they are building it from the bottom up which I have said is insane. They have to build custom libraries for a lot of this. Oracle Weblogic server, a lot of this already built in and someone went off on a tangent here to "have to have" open source when the time element to write all of the untested integration code was not there.
http://thehackernews.com/2013/11/Vulnerability-JBoss-Application-Servers...
Again I come back to asking why were the Oracle and Microsoft "already integrated" state insurance exchanges" not mentioned, used or whatever?
Yesterday, they pulled an Allscripts too and lied about the code...it's not done...a couple years ago Allscripts CEO lost his job and shareholders filed lawsuit when they lied about their integration code being done with the purchase of Sunrise from Eclipses. So here's the latest on that episode. Government contractors will bid jobs to write code from the bottom up though as it means more money for them rather than integrating "best practice" commercial or open source code modules.
http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2013/11/hhscms-pulls-allscripts-mistakeco...
So I have said this before but you can bet they have different teams of engineers working on the project, one group to keep the site gimping along while another group has a software sandbox re-engineering with a ton more of Oracle products..why...a lot of the code's already written for integration. Took Oracle 6 years to write code with their middle ware Fusion to do this...WebLogic is the commercial Oracle equivalent to JBoss. If you read the Issa 176 page report he received, tons of JBoss work going on with having to create libraries from scratch.
When they asked about lines of code, Obama thought it was lines of coke and said, "the more, the better."
I remember well when I came to work in the health software industry for a state government and I saw the software and nothing was secure. When I asked the guys, "Arent you encrypting any of the PID (Personal Identifying Data) data?" And they all just looked at me like I was crazy. They couldnt understand how in the world they could write and debug software when they could'nt read the data if it was encypted. lol !!! (software people reading this will laugh knowing who rediculous this is)
I reminded them that the Government imposes strict security rules onto the private industry and not only are they not following thier own rules, they arent even aware of them! (think Sarbanes-Oxley and a huge myriad of other requirements)
I must admit though, it is soooo much easier to write software for the government when you dont have to worry about any dumb security rules or process flow or anything!!
Live!
http://www.infowars.com/dallas-police-plan-to-kidnap-alex-jones/
Q. What do the Healthcare.gov codebase and Hillary's ass have in common?
A. Both bloated and riddled with bugs.
Time for a IT CZAR!
Obamacare, the "Gold Standard" of nigger rigged software.
Up arrow for the ***** rigged software comment
only fools believe it's about race
Well a lot of it is. I don't want my heart surgeon to be there because of affirmative action, and not my President either.
Just fire up the printing presses and print moar lines of code. We can inflate the run-time errors away.
Impeach Obama. Recall all the Senators. Secede from Washington D.C. Take your money out of pension funds and non-public banks. Buy bitcoin.
There are other countries that you can still get decent healthcare in. Even a flight to India is cheaper than ObamaCare.
Those are not flaws, those are "features" of the system.
The software that operates the US government's killing machines seems to work just fine. Much of the time. Sorry about that wedding party.
I smell another no bid contract in the works.
Just wondering,
Should everyone be blaming the website programmers?
How can the programmers properly write code and set up a website,
when
NO ONE UNDERSTANDS THE MASSIVE OBAMACARE LAW TO BEGIN WITH?
When OBAMACARE is surely riddled with inconsistencies, contradictions, omissions and continuously revised interpretations?
Bingo.
While programmers may be at fault for some things (usually things that can be fixed easily) -- the bulk of the problem is in developing the requirements!!!
First you have to take the law and regs -- covering thousands of pages -- and decipher them. What is the system supposed to do? Then you have to figure out how to actually accomplish that via a digital system -- integrating with hundreds of existing systems.
An example of how a typical end-user specifies what kind of computer
program they want you to design:
Dear Mr. Architect:
please design and build me a house. I'm not quite sure of what I need or
want in a house, so you should use your discretion.
My new house should have between 2 and 45 bedrooms. Just make sure the
plans are such that bedrooms can be easily added or eliminated. When you
bring the blueprints to me, I'll make the final decision of what I want.
Also, bring me the cost breakdown for each configuration so that I can
arbtrarily pick one.
Keep in mind that the house I ultimately choose must cost less than the
one in which I currently reside. Make sure, however, that you correct all
the deficiencies that exist in my current home. I'd allow you to view my
current house to help you understand and avoid the problems that I'm refer-
ring to, but I'm afraid that it may interfere with your creative abilities.
Also keep in mind as you design this house that I wish to keep yearly
maintainance costs as low as possible. This should mean the incorporation
of the latest technological advancements in siding & insulation. If you
choose not to specify aluminum siding, be prepared to explain in detail.
Please make sure that modern design practices and the latest materials
are used in constructing the house. The house should be very nice.
However, be alerted that the kitchen should be designed to accommodate my
1952 Gibson refrigerator and any other items with which we don't wish to
part.
To assure that you are building the correct house for my family, make
sure that you contact each of my children and in-laws. My Mother-in-law
will have very strong feelings about how the house ought to be designed
since she visits us at least once a year. Make sure that you weigh care-
fully all suggestions made by family members and make the right decisions.
I, however, retain the right to override any decisions you make.
Please don't bother me with details right now. Your job is to develop
the overall plans for this house. Get the big picture. It's not appro-
priate at this time to be choosing such things as the color of the carpet,
although you should keep in mind that my wife likes green.
Also, do not worry at this time about acquiring the resources needed to
build this house. Your first priority is to develop detailed plans and
specifications. However, once I accept the plans, I'll expect to have the
house under roof within 48 hours.
While you are designing this house specifically for me, keep in mind
that sooner or later I'll probably sell the house. It should appeal to
the largest number of potential buyers. Please make sure, before you
finalize the plans, that there is a consensus of the population in my area
as to the desirability of the features included in the house.
You are advised to look at my neighbor's house, which he constructed
last year. We like it a great deal because it has many features that we
would like to have in our new home, particularly the 75-foot swimming pool.
With careful engineering I believe that you can design this into our new
house without impacting the construction cost.
Please prepare a complete set of blueprints. I's not necessary at this
time to do the real design since these blueprints will used only for
construction bids. Please be advised, though, that any resulting increase
in the cost caused by future design changes will result in your getting
your hands slapped.
You must be thrilled to be working on such an interesting project such
as this. To be able to use new kinds of construction and to be given such
freedom in design is something that doesn't happen very often. Contact me
as soon as possible with your design ideas. I'm most enthusiastic in
seeing what you develop.
Sincerely,
Prospective Client
P.S. My wife has just told me that she disagrees with many of the
instructions that I've given you in this letter. As the architect, it is
your responsibility to resolve these issues. I've tried in the past and
have been unable to accomplish this. If you can't handle this, I'll have
to look for a new architect.
P.P.S. Perhaps what I need is not a house at all, but rather, a travel
trailer. Please advise me as early as possible if this is the case.
and after you built one of those, or fled, leaving the imp-possible undone during the process, would you not invest in developing better skills to navigate this naturally occurring obstacle? If you were smart enough to build that, aren't you smart enough to take all those dummies who couldn't build it, but could seduce you to?
Isn't *that* the Darwinian thing to do? What's eating you?
Yeah, has anyone seen or have a link to a flowchart (the first step in any programming job) for this mess? Does it even have one?
The ones that stayed on the project and didn't immediately run for the door are culpable to some degree. It is fraudulent to take pay and sit there day after miserable day implementing something you know won't work, especially if you want to call yourself anything more than a junior practitioner. Doesn't matter what the job is. It is the same as saying I was only following orders. That's the attitude that facilitates humanity's worst events.
double post.
It's a great point. It should be noted that Team Obama changed the design just last August, requiring you log in and give your personal information first before you can shop for plans. They feared people would get sticker shock looking at prices before the subsidy.
Drop dead fed
Did you say a 3 year repreave prior to the big ACA shut down? No to worry Obama said he was sorry but must spend another $650 million on something that won't work but at least his best buddy that owns the company doing the fix (same one that created the problem in the first place) will be able to pull down a $40-50 million dollar bonus out of this!
Anyone who has worked on any sizable IT project should be thinking: NO SHIT
Healthcare.gov = What a friggin' demonstration of complete incompetence and ignorance.
Ignoring the hideous legislation itself - practically speaking, implementation should have been built around a requirement that insurance companies issue a 1099-prem (listing premiums paid) to anyone buying individual or family insurance. Then a simple worksheet on the 1040 for any credit due - and wham you're done. The problem is they couldn't then hide the real cost of the insurance (premiums, deductibles, copays) to all those getting subsidies -- revealing that in actuality health insurance is unaffordable in the U.S of A.
Seriously, if a huge number of people need subsidies -- how can it be considered affordable! Spin, spin, spin.
Yeah I'm in IT too. Boggles my mind it is 500 million lines of code. I dismissed it out right the first time I heard that number, thought it was a journalism error. Then I thought they must be counting every line of code possible, all the server OS code, all the third party library code, every thing. Then I read reports above that they use very little third party code, that they pushed aside battle tested core plumbing code and wrote this themselves. Anyone calling these decisions a bad design choice is naive. It is a pre-meditated raping of the taxpayer - a gift to the companies getting these contracts.
I build custom software enterprise solutions. But only about 10 to 20 percent of the code base is custom. I use a stack of 20-30 proven comercial or open source components on every new project for the plumbing. Right now its Node.js with thousands of already built and tested libraries to choose from, MongoDB, RabbitMQ, AWS, Bootstrap, Backbone, Chef for devops/environment provisioning, Google API's and so on. The only stuff I create is core business logic that models the way the company uniquely competes in their space, UI code, thousands of unit tests and integration tests. Still a lot of hard difficult work. If I were to try to sell writing the plumbing code from scratch, I would be laughed at and then shown the door.
Healthcare.gov is much bigger than my current project, but really it should only be 20 or thirty projects similiar to what I described that have to integrate. A core issue here though is the fact that Health care is too complex to control and direct centrally. Even Canada with its one system is in reality hundreds of regional boards implementing the spirit of universal health care in their own way. I would be surprised if even the best teams in the world could deliver it given the time frames and the complexity. Re-writing it from scratch would still have a very high possibility of failure.
Boggles my mind how evil and corrupt things have become. These fuckers are already rich, do they really need to kill people and make millions of lives totally miserable just to get x more dollars?
FEMA camps where they feed and take care of you are starting to sound pretty good.
freedogger, I retired from the IT after thirty-five years and can confirm everything you said.
The government spent 500 million dollars for 500 million lines of code. This has to be the biggest design and implementation failure in the entire history of IT.
You refer to how evil and corrupt things have become. This is the new America, its new normal. Malfeasance, incompetence, and disinformation now dominate all American institutions: government, politics, finance, media, academia, Hollywood, etc.
The elites that rule us serfs are sociopaths. Seeing them for what they are is the beginning of wisdom.
Hi Freedogger - excellent question "These fuckers are already rich, do they really need to kill people and make millions of lives totally miserable just to get x more dollars?"
I'm sure you know the answer - of course they do.
I think that they are counting the LOC in the OS, the graphics card microcode, the CPU mircrocode, the disk drive controller microcode, and so on, just to make it sound like it's really complicated and marvelous. Well in the real world of sw development, the fewer new LOC, the better.
Just imagine the number of fake healthcare signup sites collecting all that delicious data...
Jesus for all youz bitches saying this is IIS Windoze I just want to say bullshit. The front end was made in a garage by 12 code monkeys http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/09/healthcare-gov-was-originally-built-in-a-garage/
The backend was made by CGI.
Netcraft sez the front end is Linux (oh fucking no) http://searchdns.netcraft.com/?host=healthcare.gov&x=7&y=5 while the backend isn't known but... looking at CGI's help wanted ads in the USA on their site they are looking for a lot of experience with Java/Oracle and Perl.
Hardly a fucking M$FT shoppe though I did see ONE .net dev opening in Bangalore (did Obama outsource the website?)
I'm all for nailing monkey boy Ballmer's nuts to the wall when he deserves it but don't go prancing around thinking nothing bad can be made in Linux or open source land.
Not so much a critique of your comment whattthecurtains but I'd like to add a bit.
It is wrong to characterise the problems as a "Bad Website". The front end isn't even worth contemplating, just the liptstick on the pig of a backend that Michelle's sorority sister's CGI implemented. The web part of it might as well have be done in a garage or outsourced to Bangalore.
I concur but others were posting that this wsa M$FT based website. I thought it appropriate to point out that was NOT the case.
By the way. Healthcare.gov's front end was open source and was until recently on github https://github.com/CMSgov/healthcare.gov You can still find various copies on github.
Obamacare, the hard way:
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day.
Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Terry Prachett
An ignorant person is somebody who doesn't know what you just found out.
Will Rogers
Take the nearly one-billion dollars spent on this POS and get it back via the enormous retiremant plans and golden medical programs of the entire US Congress.
And Moochelle gets nothing.
Mike Adams (www.naturalnews.com) called this over a month ago.
Oct 11, 2013
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABOykoQQ2l0&t=7m6s
"I happen to have a long IT development history... My casual assessment of the code, indicates this system, at this point, it would be faster to scrap it and start over than to fix the current system..."
"The only reason that social security numbers and emails and other private financial data has not yet been stolen in huge numbers through healthcare.gov is because healthcare.gov is so broken that even the hackers can't get through it yet..."
"The philosophy of Obama is to wave a magic wand and fake like something is solved and then talk your way out of it. Obama is a salesman..."
"Computer code cannot be hypnotized by Obama. So let's get that straight. He can talk to the systems all he wants, they're not going to buy the dream. The computer code follows instructions, and instructions are a nightmare..."
"By the time January rolls around the media will have to admit something, unless they try to pull off the biggest mass hypnosis campaign in the history of the country, and try to tell everybody, you know, 'This is working!'. Maybe they'll say, 'Millions of people have signed up', and they'll try to make each individual person think they're the only one who can't get in..."
There are liars, damned liars, and experts.
The site I manage handles 50+ clients, 500+ users, bills out $1b a year, and contains 20k lines.
I am the ONLY developer.
The article image is different from the actual image.
That this administration has been grossly incompetent so as to make Sarah Palin an absolute savant when it comes to healthcare predictions should chill the panties of all of the Congressional Dems just a little. Their reaction will be to continue to support the "piss and shit in her mouth" MSNBC smearing. Alinsky for the win. From 2010, bitchez...
http://www.businessinsider.com/obamcare-20-more-of-the-same-just-more-ex...
From the time the Healthcare law was passed, Insurance companies have used the excuse that "uncertainty" requires protection via increased medical premiums for individuals. Ex. COBRA payment for 1 layed off individual in 2009 was around $400. per month. In 2012 same coverage was around $900. per month.
Additionally the coverage offered under obamacare is outrageous for any middle income person with a small or no family especially for older americans. The premiums are high, the deductibles are high and the individual contributions (40% for bronze policies) are high.
Adding insult to injury, expecting people to pay for NO coverage is another terrible feature.
Medicare for all is the best solution. This solution reduces the admin costs by 20%. It also take the profit motive out of healthcare. Healthcare driven by a profit motive ALWAYS ensures that healthy people have the best insurance and everybody else suffers.
I sure hope you Americans did not hire this same IT contractor to service the software of your nuclear arsenal. I live just across the pond and the last thing I need is a computer glitch heading my way.
Government is now a deadly mutant virus that replicates daily and there is no cure...we are so fucked......
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It should read Experts Warn Healthcare.gov So Big And So Riddled With Security Flaws It Should Be Shut Down, AND not to be Rebuilt again
ps Obumpma is a stupid asshole in over his head
Wife just got cancellation notice-NOW the shit gets real at home. She didd't swear, now she strings expletives like the conjuction function train, only on steroids. It's kinda hawt. Thanks Barry, anger sex, who knew?
FrontPage 98, bitchez.