Obama's Flip-Flopping In Shambles As California Rejects Proposed One-Year Plan Extension

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When Barack Obama, floundering in the endless humiliation from the disastrous rollout of Obamacare, gave the country's insurance  companies the "put option" to reject the one-year "cancellation" extension fix stemming from the whole "if you like your plan, you can keep it, period" fiasco, he committed a cardinal sin - he lost control of the situation, because from that point onward the decision was no longer in his court. Furthermore, due to the syndicate nature of insurance companies and state insurance commissioners implementing Obamacare, suddenly the decision was subject to game theoretical facets including cooperation and defection, or rather just defection since at this point the biggest spoils would go to whoever had the initial leverage or rather, defiance of the president. Sure enough, California just flopped on Obama's most recent flip when the state, moments ago, rejected Obama's proposed fix to allow legacy plans to survive for one additional year.

  • CALIFORNIA REJECTS OBAMA'S INSURANCE CANCELLATION FIX
  • CALIFORNIA REJECTS 1-YEAR EXTENSION OF CANCELED INSURANCE PLANS

More from Bloomberg:

California officials implementing President Barack Obama’s health-care overhaul rejected a one- year extension of insurance plans that are to be canceled under the law.

 

The president has urged states to give people with substandard medical plans an additional year to meet the law’s requirements after hundreds of thousands  received cancellation notices and were told new policies to meet minimum rules for coverage would cost more. “That’s making the best of not-great options, but I think it’s the best option and then we can focus in the coming months on the enrollment we need,” Peter V. Lee, the executive director of Covered California, the health exchange, said today at a meeting in Sacramento.

 

California’s decision is critical to the roll-out of Obamacare nationwide. The most populous U.S. state, which received almost $1 billion in federal grants to implement the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, led the U.S. in signups last month. The law requires all Americans to be covered next year or pay a penalty.

 

It’s up to state regulators and insurance companies to decide whether to delay the cancellations, which conflicted with Obama’s promise that consumers who liked their existing plans could keep them.

 

The exchange said 79,891 Californians had selected a health plan through Covered California as of Nov. 19. Enrollment began Oct. 1.

And from AP:

The board overseeing California's health insurance exchange has voted to stick with its current approach of phasing out by year's end health insurance policies that do not meet current benefit requirements. The Covered California Board of Directors voted 5-0 on Thursday to hold steady on its current approach, defying President Barack Obama's recent flip on one crucial aspect of the Affordable Care Act.

 

The state insurance commissioner had said that 1.1 million Californians are receiving notices that their current individual health insurance policies will be discontinued in 2014 because they do not meet the benefit requirements of the federal health care overhaul.

 

That has angered some policy holders, many of whom will see their monthly premiums and deductibles rise sharply with the new plans being offered. It also flies in the face of promises Obama made repeatedly when he said people who liked their current health insurance policies could keep them under his health insurance reforms.

 

The president has since backtracked and has asked states to allow insurance companies to extend those older policies.

 

But many insurance companies oppose that, saying doing so would undermine the new markets being set up under Obama's law. They also said they did not have enough time to rebuild policies they already had discontinued.

And while Calirofnia's decision certainly makes sense financially for the insolvent state (if not any other more prudent states), it merely adds to Obama's political crucifixion as now it will appear as if he has lost all control over not just the website enrollment process, but also the entire onboarding process and is unable to even keep beneficiary states under control.

Welcome to socialist central planning 101 - where everything that can go wrong, sooner or later does.

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Occident Mortal's picture

Meanwhile in the UK, healthcare works just fine at 1/2 the cost of US insurance.

Anyway, enough obtuse gloating. What can you guys do about Obamacare? You can't just lie down and take this shit.

ACP's picture

Half the cost to the beneficiary or half the cost to the taxpayer?

Low consumer cost means nothing.

fxrxexexdxoxmx's picture

Stop blaming Obama. Everuthing is the fault of someone or something else. He is not responsible for anything. He is special. He is a half cracker and half crackers are unique.

Redhotfill's picture

Which half of that cracker do I spread the cheese on?

NoDebt's picture

Not sure if anyone bothered to think through this but this HELPS Obamacare move forward.  More people forced to go into the exhanges, whether the exchanges work or not.

DESMO_RR's picture

I take a lot of comfort in knowing that a lot of the people that are loosing their insurance because of Obama are the same people that helped to elect the fuckstick.........TWICE! Hows the hopey changy shit feelin now assholes?

Redhotfill's picture

Afordable Care Act as I've always called it......  Brilliant!

knukles's picture

California!
The home of Nazi "I never called it Obamacare" Pelousy?

How could the Great Socialist Democratic Republic of Kalifornia do that to their Messiah!
Heresy!
They're to be burnt steaks for dinner!

Wahooo's picture

Love that video! Pelosi: "The affordable care act, as I call it, as I've ALWAYS called it."

 

That bitch needs to go.

Occident Mortal's picture

Half the cost to society on a per capita basis.

It was covered on an earlier thread.

Went like this...

Life expectancy
UK 79.7
US 77.9

Cost per capita
UK $3200
US $7100

Yeah we're all ugly and talk funny, I can't deny it. But our healthcare system is much more efficient than yours. All the abuse you want to direct at me doesn't change it.

You had a bad system, now you have a shit system.

jcaz's picture

Wow, the Queen really snowed a bright boy like you, eh?   Try factoring the taxes you pay into your numbers, or do you think that money goes to keeping up the shrubbery on the round-abouts?

Occident Mortal's picture

That $3200 is the taxes.

We don't pay anything else. Medical facilities in the UK don't have cash registers in them.

We don't have to shop for insurance or complete silly forms or fight a busted website.

If you're sick you go see a doctor and he gives you meds. No forms or payment or any of that on site admin stuff.

Ambulances pick up anyone who is hurt (no checking ID or looking for papers or any of that stuff), hospitals do whatever surgery is deemed worthy of the risk, it's all the same but without the middle man of the insurance company and all the multiple payment systems.

You guys hate the idea of it and to be honest, I would too. But it actually works. I know you don't believe me. But it does. We got it back in the 50's when nobody understood what it meant, but if any politician ever messes with it now they are finished.

NHS is pretty much the only good thing about the UK. Oh except the dentists. I would swap our dentists with yours.

nmewn's picture

"Ambulances pick up anyone who is hurt (no checking ID or looking for papers or any of that stuff), hospitals do whatever surgery is deemed worthy of the risk, it's all the same but without the middle man of the insurance company and all the multiple payment systems."

Really?

"Patients are having to wait five and a half hours in ambulances parked outside A&E because there are not enough beds.

Some relatives are arriving at hospital to visit their loved ones only to find they are still ‘queued up’ outside the main entrance.

Last week some 4,500 patients waited in ambulances for at least half an hour before they were admitted."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2271074/Patients-forced-wait-HOURS-ambulances-outside-A-amp-E-bed-shortages.html#ixzz2lKP31LiW

Odd, when one of our ambulances rolls up to the emergency room, they jump out & run to the back and open the doors and get their ass into the hospital.

Occident Mortal's picture

Lol,

Please don't quote the Daily Mail. It's not good for your credibility.
Also anecdotal evidence is highly subjective.

As I said earlier....

Life expectancy
UK 79.7
US 77.9

They must be doing something right. Agree?

nmewn's picture

I'm not worried about my credibility, you should worry about yours.

Is the article true or false?

Bennie Noakes's picture

Are Occident's life expectancy statistics true or false?

Maybe the Brits get better care in an ambulance than US patients get in a hospital room.

In the US, the sooner they get you into the hospital, the sooner they can start charging you for $250 aspirin tablets and running unnecessary tests. So of course, they rush to get you into the hospital ASAP in order to start the meter running.

Occident Mortal's picture

Figures are from here

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-21/guest-post-obamacare-neutron-bo...

Anyway, I'm not going to mention NHS again. Didn't realise you guys liked Obamacare care so much, obviously very proud.

nmewn's picture

So, the article you ridiculed me about, was (one last fucking time)...

...true or false?

sun tzu's picture

don't expect a crooked tooth limey socialist bastard to admit the facts

nmewn's picture

lol...I realize its getting late over there...but if he's going to challenge the veracity of the article in question, he could shake off the cobwebs and apologize or refute it.

The ole "OMG you posted something from Huff-Po, Daily Mail, Breitbart, CNN" shit don't cut it anymore.

Saying its wrong is just an accusation, not proof. Not proving its wrong, after saying its wrong, is approaching being a lie.

CheapBastard's picture

UK healthcare is an oymoron.

scrappy's picture

I hope my dentist will trade for homemade wine.

Actually he probably will, dental covered!

ScrappyCare for all!

 

nmewn's picture

Not all of us are concerned about prolonging the last two years of our lives...especially if I have to rely on someone else (the young, that I don't even know) and have them subsidizing some other stranger to wipe my ass with gritty Hugo Chavez-style toilet paper.

At that point in your life, if you ain't done what you want to do it will never happen.

The-stat-is-bogus.

 

Nue's picture

The U.K and many of the European and Japan have higher female to male sex ratios at the 65 and older range. Mostly as a result of WWII.  Since women tend to live longer than men it skews the life expectency rates in these countries. What Socialist don't want to talk about is something truly meaningful like the 5 year survival rates for cancer. In the US a woman has a 97% chance of being alive in 5 years after a breast cancer diagnoses. In the UK it's 78%.

FinalCollapse's picture

USA does have the shittest health care among nations tracked by the OECD. However, the brainwashed masses here think that we have top health care. For these who claim it, I advice them that there is a world beyond your nearest corner liquor store. Time to buy ticket and travel to educate and learn how the health care works and should be done.

I have never seen any other nation so comically brainwashed. We have top healthcare here - REALLY?

nmewn's picture

Here we go with the bullshit stats again.

For example, one country counts a live birth as soon as it leaves the birth canal...another counts it only if it survives outside...sometimes minutes or hours or whatever they need to make a certain number...after leaving the birth canal.

Numbers don't lie, only liars with numbers lie.

http://www.ncpa.org/sub/dpd/index.php?Article_ID=1516

And NO...this is not about babies...its about stats and how & who uses them and abuses them.

Boondocker's picture

Well i know for a fact that in France they dont do heroics on babys with heart defects, here they nearly all survive.

DaddyO's picture

Accidental Moron, is that the best you've got?

Trolls to the left of me, morons to the right...

DaddyO

Occident Mortal's picture

If it appeared in the Daily Mail I would obviously assume it was a piece of fiction.

Check out The Guardian (left), The FT (right), The Independant (independant).

NHS isn't perfect, but it's much better than the US system and a million times better than Obamacare.

FredFlintstone's picture

Much better for who? For the time being we live like relative kings compared to you pomies.

Anusocracy's picture

I thought it was 'you pommie bastards'.

nmewn's picture

You "assume" it to be fiction...yet challenge my credibility?

You've compromised your own credibility, just like I said.

/////////////

You know what sucks about the left in Britain or here or anywhere?

They are absolutely incapable of admitting they are wrong. No matter how many lives or institutions they destroy...its always someone elses fault that it just doesn't work out.

There will be another time mate...you can count on it...my credibility, integrity and honor are not for sale...these are priceless things.

FredFlintstone's picture

I totalled 3 cars before I graduated from HS. A lot of it could be culture. We have had more freedoms and toys than you and your royal subjects perhaps. Drag racing, motorcycles, jet skis, snow mobiles, scuba diving. There is also the homogeneous society "thing" to consider. Control by ancestory and the picture might be different.

Knew a few who died young having the time of their lives.

Occident Mortal's picture

Yep, more purchasing power in the US.

UK was held back in mid/later 20th century as it wasn't a proper meritocracy. Much better now though.

It was Thatcher who really destroyed the class stigma in the 80's. Since then we have been making up lost ground economically.

scrappy's picture

Me too, miss them all. They lived large, really lived free.

Airborn in a 4 speed honda civic and many crashes and adventures.

 

sun tzu's picture

occident moron, did you factor out deaths from murders and accidents?

 

south africa with "free" socialist healthcare has an average lifespan of 52 years. that's 25 years less than the USA. We must be doing something right.

Wage Slave's picture

Because life expectancy has nothing to do with dietary habits, suicide/homicide rates, accident rates, substance abuse, living in extreme climates (deserts, tundra), etc., etc. Surely that glorious extra 1.8 years you get is owed exclusively to the profound wisdom of the NHS.

TexasAggie's picture

You need to review statistics 101 - and compare applesto apples.  The UK does not include infant mortality if the infant diest before either 1 yr or 2 ys of age. However we include all infants if they take a breath.

TexasAggie's picture

You need to review statistics 101 - and compare applesto apples.  The UK does not include infant mortality if the infant diest before either 1 yr or 2 ys of age. However we include all infants if they take a breath.

Bennie Noakes's picture

"Odd, when one of our ambulances rolls up to the emergency room, they jump out & run to the back and open the doors and get their ass into the hospital."

Yes, but what happens when they go into the hospital?

According to a new study just out from the prestigious Journal of Patient Safety, four times as many people die from preventable medical errors than we thought, as many as 440,000 a year.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/leahbinder/2013/09/23/stunning-news-on-preve...

What is worse? Waiting half an hour in an ambulance, or dying? Because for for every Brit that waited more than half an hour in an ambulance, almost 100 Americans died of preventable medical errors.

I'm not a fan of socialized medicine, but the current US healthcare system is absolutely the worst of any developed country (and is actually worst than many so-called undeveloped countries). The US system is absolute crap!

 

Anusocracy's picture

"The US system is absolute crap!"

Everything government touches turns to crap.
Ringo Starr

Bazza McKenzie's picture

Pity about those preventable errors, which the UK NHS has in droves also.  But the UK NHS goes way beyond that.  It has the quaintly named "Liverpool Care Pathway", which actually consists of starving and dehydrating inconvenient bedridden patients, particularly but not solely the elderly, so they die quickly and free up those beds.

jcaz's picture

Dude, the lacking quality in your health care system is well-documented.  

Do you see us flocking to England for work?   Not so much.

Are Florida hospitals full of English tourists, grateful they can get a script filled without the Queen signing off on it?  Pretty much.

The only people getting surgery "deemed worthy of the risk" are the Royals.

That's precious- you actually believe what they're telling you are the real "taxes" in your numbers?  I guess I didn't factor in the magic fairies that sprinkle money over your system-  so where do you THINK the rest of your taxes are going?

England- paging Dr Singh.....

Occident Mortal's picture

These numbers are from ZH

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-21/guest-post-obamacare-neutron-bo...

Also I acknowledge our system isn't perfect.

But...

Life expectancy
UK 79.7
US 77.9

If we get a C you guys get a D.

Don't be blinded by patriotism, be open minded. Lots of things in the wider world are better.

Urban Redneck's picture

The People of Asda don't look like the People of Walmart...

When I lived in London you had to hike to Oxford Street to see the People of Walmart...

As to your misguided "2 years" and your "2 weeks" of inexperience - look at the chart on page 2 of the PDF below - your UK land whales simply don't measure up... If UK life expectancy is only 2 years longer with that large a gap - MEDICAL CARE IN THE UK IS FAR WORSE IN THE UK THAN IN THE US.

www.oecd.org/health/49716427.pdf

VD's picture

Occident Mortal don't worry, the resident ZH rubes are just breaking your balls; they're as hypocritical here as elsewhere; ie when they like the stats they defend when they don't accord with their biases they bash as per above. i can guarantee all that when ObamaCare kicks in fully the 99% in the States will wish they were in the UK.