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What It's Like To Be Poor - And Make Terrible Decisions

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There are many reasons why the poor are 'poor' or why the middle-class is deteriorating into a state of being 'poor' but as this first-person account of the self-defeating feedback loops of poverty's trap harrowingly suggests, escaping that social strata (as we noted previously) is becoming ever more difficult. Of course, a George Carlin noted previously, "the only true American value is... buying things," which leaves the 'poor' increasingly losing hope. "Rest is a luxury for the rich," the author notes, "planning is not in the mix," as she explains why poverty has forced her to "make terrible decisions." 

Authored by @KillerMartinis (Killer Martinis blog) via The Burning Platform blog,

Why I Make Terrible Decisions, or, poverty thoughts

There's no way to structure this coherently. They are random observations that might help explain the mental processes. But often, I think that we look at the academic problems of poverty and have no idea of the why. We know the what and the how, and we can see systemic problems, but it's rare to have a poor person actually explain it on their own behalf. So this is me doing that, sort of.

Rest is a luxury for the rich. I get up at 6AM, go to school (I have a full courseload, but I only have to go to two in-person classes) then work, then I get the kids, then I pick up my husband, then I have half an hour to change and go to Job 2. I get home from that at around 1230AM, then I have the rest of my classes and work to tend to. I'm in bed by 3. This isn't every day, I have two days off a week from each of my obligations. I use that time to clean the house and soothe Mr. Martini and see the kids for longer than an hour and catch up on schoolwork. Those nights I'm in bed by midnight, but if I go to bed too early I won't be able to stay up the other nights because I'll fuck my pattern up, and I drive an hour home from Job 2 so I can't afford to be sleepy. I never get a day off from work unless I am fairly sick. It doesn't leave you much room to think about what you are doing, only to attend to the next thing and the next. Planning isn't in the mix.

When I was pregnant the first time, I was living in a weekly motel for some time. I had a minifridge with no freezer and a microwave. I was on WIC. I ate peanut butter from the jar and frozen burritos because they were 12/$2. Had I had a stove, I couldn't have made beef burritos that cheaply. And I needed the meat, I was pregnant. I might not have had any prenatal care, but I am intelligent enough to eat protein and iron whilst knocked up.

I know how to cook. I had to take Home Ec to graduate high school. Most people on my level didn't. Broccoli is intimidating. You have to have a working stove, and pots, and spices, and you'll have to do the dishes no matter how tired you are or they'll attract bugs. It is a huge new skill for a lot of people. That's not great, but it's true. And if you fuck it up, you could make your family sick. We have learned not to try too hard to be middle-class. It never works out well and always makes you feel worse for having tried and failed yet again. Better not to try. It makes more sense to get food that you know will be palatable and cheap and that keeps well. Junk food is a pleasure that we are allowed to have; why would we give that up? We have very few of them.

The closest Planned Parenthood to me is three hours. That's a lot of money in gas. Lots of women can't afford that, and even if you live near one you probably don't want to be seen coming in and out in a lot of areas. We're aware that we are not "having kids," we're "breeding." We have kids for much the same reasons that I imagine rich people do. Urge to propagate and all. Nobody likes poor people procreating, but they judge abortion even harder.

Convenience food is just that. And we are not allowed many conveniences. Especially since the Patriot Act passed, it's hard to get a bank account. But without one, you spend a lot of time figuring out where to cash a check and get money orders to pay bills. Most motels now have a no-credit-card-no-room policy. I wandered around SF for five hours in the rain once with nearly a thousand dollars on me and could not rent a room even if I gave them a $500 cash deposit and surrendered my cell phone to the desk to hold as surety.

Nobody gives enough thought to depression. You have to understand that we know that we will never not feel tired. We will never feel hopeful. We will never get a vacation. Ever. We know that the very act of being poor guarantees that we will never not be poor. It doesn't give us much reason to improve ourselves. We don't apply for jobs because we know we can't afford to look nice enough to hold them. I would make a super legal secretary, but I've been turned down more than once because I "don't fit the image of the firm," which is a nice way of saying "gtfo, pov." I am good enough to cook the food, hidden away in the kitchen, but my boss won't make me a server because I don't "fit the corporate image." I am not beautiful. I have missing teeth and skin that looks like it will when you live on b12 and coffee and nicotine and no sleep. Beauty is a thing you get when you can afford it, and that's how you get the job that you need in order to be beautiful. There isn't much point trying.

Cooking attracts roaches. Nobody realizes that. I've spent a lot of hours impaling roach bodies and leaving them out on toothpick pikes to discourage others from entering. It doesn't work, but is amusing.

"Free" only exists for rich people. It's great that there's a bowl of condoms at my school, but most poor people will never set foot on a college campus. We don't belong there. There's a clinic? Great! There's still a copay. We're not going. Besides, all they'll tell you at the clinic is that you need to see a specialist, which seriously? Might as well be located on Mars for how accessible it is. "Low-cost" and "sliding scale" sounds like "money you have to spend" to me, and they can't actually help you anyway.

I smoke. It's expensive. It's also the best option. You see, I am always, always exhausted. It's a stimulant. When I am too tired to walk one more step, I can smoke and go for another hour. When I am enraged and beaten down and incapable of accomplishing one more thing, I can smoke and I feel a little better, just for a minute. It is the only relaxation I am allowed. It is not a good decision, but it is the only one that I have access to. It is the only thing I have found that keeps me from collapsing or exploding.

I make a lot of poor financial decisions. None of them matter, in the long term. I will never not be poor, so what does it matter if I don't pay a thing and a half this week instead of just one thing? It's not like the sacrifice will result in improved circumstances; the thing holding me back isn't that I blow five bucks at Wendy's. It's that now that I have proven that I am a Poor Person that is all that I am or ever will be. It is not worth it to me to live a bleak life devoid of small pleasures so that one day I can make a single large purchase. I will never have large pleasures to hold on to. There's a certain pull to live what bits of life you can while there's money in your pocket, because no matter how responsible you are you will be broke in three days anyway. When you never have enough money it ceases to have meaning. I imagine having a lot of it is the same thing.

Poverty is bleak and cuts off your long-term brain. It's why you see people with four different babydaddies instead of one. You grab a bit of connection wherever you can to survive. You have no idea how strong the pull to feel worthwhile is. It's more basic than food. You go to these people who make you feel lovely for an hour that one time, and that's all you get. You're probably not compatible with them for anything long-term, but right this minute they can make you feel powerful and valuable. It does not matter what will happen in a month. Whatever happens in a month is probably going to be just about as indifferent as whatever happened today or last week. None of it matters. We don't plan long-term because if we do we'll just get our hearts broken. It's best not to hope. You just take what you can get as you spot it.

I am not asking for sympathy. I am just trying to explain, on a human level, how it is that people make what look from the outside like awful decisions. This is what our lives are like, and here are our defense mechanisms, and here is why we think differently. It's certainly self-defeating, but it's safer. That's all. I hope it helps make sense of it.

 

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And Jim Quinn's Burning Platform blog notes - It appears that she’s been getting lots and lots of responses to her letter, good and bad. 

Here’s her response to people accusing her of bitching.

DEAR GUY WITH HURT FEELINGS;

 

So I have been wandering the Internet to see where this piece I wrote wound up. And I am rather amused at one fairly standard reaction:

 

Oh, typical poor person bitching. Rich people work hard too. If you don’t think positively nothing good will ever happen.

 

Here is a disclaimer, and now that it is on the Internet with my name on it I’ll hear no more about this:

 

Yes. Rich people work hard too. Nobody is telling you that you are lazy, rich people. What I am saying is that I am not lazy. That is a different thing entirely than impugning your work ethic. It’s actually got nothing to do with you at all. I do appreciate your need to read some thoughts from someone who is poor and make it about your relative merit, but you should know that it kind of makes you look like you struggle with reading comprehension. Because it’s not about that. I actually specifically said that more than once. I know, it is frustrating to see conversations happening and know that your opinions are considered irrelevant.

 

Try to repress the urge to tell me that you do more physical labor than I do in a day, though, because it makes you look silly. I have never met a wealthy person washing dishes at Denny’s. I am sure one exists, but I don’t think we can go assuming that the majority of people who live in the middle and upper classes are working on shop floors or in warehouses.

 

And about the happy shiny attitude: are you seriously telling me that you legitimately think that the thing that is stopping me from getting a lucky break is that I simply don’t believe hard enough? Tell me, if I clap my hands and really believe, can I bring fairies back from the brink as well? Do you think I am stupid? I am not. I can read the news. I know that class mobility is decreasing and wealth is stratifying and for many of us, hope is going to stay unfulfilled. You do not get to tell me how to process the fact that “success” is a crapshoot in this America, because I can tell you that hard work and talent alone aren’t going to do it.

 

There’s one decent job opening for every hundred talented and hardworking people. If you happen to be hardworking but not particularly skilled, your life will most likely consist of making someone’s shareholders happy. It will be degrading and exhausting. And you are fucking high if you think that simply thinking positive thoughts will change the nature of the economy. That is not how the economy works.

 

Your implication that I am too stupid to know that is laughable, because your average ten-year-old in the ghetto knows that the game is rigged. Fuck you for demanding that I pretend it isn’t to make you a little more comfortable. It isn’t going to happen. I don’t mind, particularly, that we have settled on this system. It’ll change again soon. Rich people know that; it’s why they’re retreating into guarded conclaves and hiring extra security for their malls. But you don’t get to pretend that this system we have decided on, the one in which we are pretending that we have never heard of the Gilded Age so that we don’t have to acknowledge that we are doing it again, is anything like fair or meritocratic. That is patent bullshit. Stop it. I do not mind talented people having money. I mind stupid people with money saying that they must be smart because: meritocracy. That is terrible logic.

 

Here is the thing: nobody lives without something in their lives that grounds them. It might be something simple and pure, or something big and complex. But there is something, because human nature makes us find whatever is available to find a reason to live. My point is not that it isn’t true, my point is that if the thing that you have to hold onto is that at least other people have it worse, it’s kind of depressing. It’s survival. It is not uplifting. You can’t simply walk into the life of someone who is actually chemically depressed and demand that they paste a fucking grin on. Rather, you can, but you’re an asshole. And double the assholery if you can afford access to medicine and sleep and the things that we would need to solve the depression and you still stand there telling me to find a pair of bootstraps and just Think Positive!

 

Perhaps, friend, you could try reading the damn news before you tell me that how I should feel about the way the economy functions and my place in it. I think your idea of the economy must be pretty simplistic. I do not think that word means what you think it means.

 

Oh, and one more thing: It is entirely possible, especially since about a decade ago, for someone who was raised in a higher class to be poor. I am one of those people. The fact that I didn’t grow up wondering if I would eat does not negate that I have spent much of my adult life with that concern. So, in conclusion, a giant and full-throated Fuck You to the people who are attempting to avoid the conversation by parsing whether or not my vocabulary means that I am insufficiently poor to be allowed to speak. Because I know goddamned well you wouldn’t have even read my first post if I were speaking in my vernacular.

 

Please, if you are one of the people who want to discuss whether or not I qualify as working poor because I have a capable brain as though the two have anything to do with each other, feel free to find something more productive to do. You could watch delightful children’s programming, or read Lemony Snicket. There are plenty of coloring books and if you get the good crayons you’ll have fun. Maybe you could hitch a ride to someplace with skeeball and tickets which you could exchange for prizes. If you are feeling pretentious you could try reading the kids’ version of Rousseau or Toqueville. I would suggest the original versions, but I worry that you might miss those points. They tended to speak in their vernacular, too.

 

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Sat, 11/23/2013 - 22:27 | 4184537 Yen Cross
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 I'm extremely poor

 

Sat, 11/23/2013 - 22:39 | 4184561 Armchair Bear
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poor people on zerohedge.. probably .. NOT!

 

Sat, 11/23/2013 - 22:46 | 4184580 Yen Cross
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 You'ld be surprised. Z/H has an uncanny ability  to expose"truthisms"....

Sat, 11/23/2013 - 22:49 | 4184592 boogerbently
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Voting democrat may be a "bad decision".

To continue to vote for more free stuff, the Treasury runs out of money and then you don't even get the free stuff you've been getting.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 00:12 | 4184751 JohnnyBriefcase
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Oh how cute! You still think that voting changes anything and that there are differences between the two parties!

It's like looking back in time!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 00:28 | 4184791 StacksOnStacks
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I stopped reading after I found out she was poor but loved to "raw dog" and drink alcohol. I'm sure she wastes money on other things she doesn't include.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 00:54 | 4184828 fonestar
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Poverty is a state of mind as much as it is a financial situation.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 01:24 | 4184874 IridiumRebel
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I grew up top tier. I drank myself to poverty and a situation close to hers...I worked 40 hrs a week with a 4 hr rd trip commute WHILST going to school and taking care of a baby 3 days a week....fairly similar. I lived in the burbs of NYC at the time so it was expensive. There are many holes in this story. I agree with other posts. I went to school part time year round. Took an extra year But I graduated with honors. As for cockroaches and hotel living, roaches do not just appear unless already there or creating an environment tha invites them. Why not find a small apartment too? It's much less than an extended stay. Smoking is no excuse for stimulation. Try coffee or Emergen-C. Much cheaper and less expensive. As a recovering alcoholic She strikes me as a user. Maybe on those days off, but this whole thing does not add up. She writes well and plays the effigy of many Americans in similar situations, but as a person who was living similarly, there art things missing that are making it tougher for her to climb out of the situation. I'm not calling bullshit, I'm stating that we are not getting the full story.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 03:02 | 4184966 Skateboarder
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I'll sympathize with poor females with babies and children. The rest of youse, get yer lazy asses to twerk, ya no good bums.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 07:07 | 4185123 SilverIsKing
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She should ask her employer to be paid in Bitcoin. Her troubles would be behind her, right next to Mr. Feelgoodfor3minutes.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 07:56 | 4185144 Dear Infinity
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Better yet, she should've have signed off on the note with a bitcoin address. My hunch is she would've made a few hundred, maybe a few thousand bit bucks.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:35 | 4185291 foodisgood
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Until Cost is factored into Value and Price the rich and poor will be fucking nagger slaves to each other. You all fail to see this cause you never realize you vote to be a nagger as you allow the mechanisms you vote everyday with to be fiat, bitcon and interest bearing.

You don't hold your future you do not own it.

I

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:07 | 4185353 DaddyO
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She's a "Victim" of the man and his systems that keep her in poverty.

31 years ago I came face to face with my victim, been clean and sober ever since.

When I stopped blaming people, places and things for my shortcomings, things changed quickly.

The FSA has been bred to believe their sorry lot in life is someone else's fault.

The "benefits" they receive are just rewards from the man.

DaddyO

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:44 | 4185459 Beam Me Up Scotty
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First problem she had, that led to all the other problems......you go to school FIRST then have the KID.  Fastest ticket to poverty is having a kid BEFORE you are financially ready to.  Horny?  Buy a vibrator.  They don't make you pregnant.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:50 | 4185481 TheRedScourge
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Another important thing to keep in mind:

People of the rich person mindset acquire assets, people of the poor person mindset acquire liabilities.

A person earning $100k/yr and saving none of it is a diaster or two away from poverty, whereas a person earning $50k/yr and investing 15% of it each year has a reasonably secure future even if their salary never goes up (though it most likely will).

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:00 | 4185497 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Exactly.  Americans have a huge ability to live beyond their means.  I have no debt other than a house payment.  I've never been late on a payment EVER.  I could buy a brand new car, but I never have.  I had a guy last night ask me why I was driving an old Pontiac G6, and not a BMW or a Mercedes.  He knows I could own a luxury car if I wanted.  I choose not to, because I don't want to be a debt slave.  Most people can't wait for self gratification.  They need the brand new car NOW, not when they have saved for it.  This woman wants a kid NOW, not when she can afford it.  It goes on and on...

Kids are the most expensive toy you can buy.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:06 | 4185658 johnQpublic
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now tell us what its like to be rich and make poor descisions for an entire nation

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:30 | 4185713 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Obama tells you that every day.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:22 | 4185693 AldousHuxley
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Typical American poor.

Out of wedlock children, multple partners with jerks, no education, no class, no ambition, no savings. Only thing they know how to do is spend every dime and look like they are rich.

 

Go to Africa and try to pull that shit. If you are poor you are a house servant with no family and die at age 35 from disease.

 

Plenty of illegal aliens who do better.

 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:09 | 4186160 cynicalskeptic
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Having children too early in life and having too many is a sure fire route to permanent poverty.

It IS POSSIBLE to have sex and NOT get pregnant - we managedf ot for 15 years.  And if 'failures' occur there are a range of options - are 'morning after pills' REALLY the same as a second term abortion?

WAITING until we were financially stable let us have TWO children in a house we had bought (not an apartment we rented), in a neighborhood with relatively GOOD schools (instead of crappy ones in a neighborhood that was not nealry as safe).  The downside is thatr having SAVED to pay for our children's college education is that we are paying full freight (to some of the best colleges in the country).

Life is full of choices.  You can choose NOT to drink, do drugs and choose not to have children - or when to have them.  You can choose to develop skills and work at jobs that pay increasingly better.  Best paid in my engineering degree class I STILL worked another 40+ hours a week renovating places, working on cars and doing other work.  The house we bought needed work (and so far has thousands of hours of MY time in it) - at 60 I am STILL doing work on it.   I can do carpentry, plumbing, electric and rebuild any car made before 1975 COMPLEETELY after that the computer controls get complicated).

Iv'e read the original posting elsewhere and not commented but really?????    Being poor does not force you top make bad choices.  However even if you start out poor through no fault of your own you will STAY poor by making bad choices.   Your choices may be more limited when poor but you don't have to choose the WORST options.

Having said all that I am not lacking compassion and have done a great deal to help others but rthat is also what shapes my attitude.  I have seen too many who have received more help than you could imagine who STILL manage to 'blow it' - they are hopeless and will never change, and sadly it is likely that any children they have will be in the same position.  There is a strain of mental illness that runs in my family.  You can face it, admit it and deal with it - through meds and therapy and go on to have very successful life or you can hide behind that illness and ise it as an excuse - doing nothing with your life.  I have seen both.  In my wife's family I have seen one do the 'right things' and go on to have a remarkable life with accomplished chioldren while another 'chose badly' - doing drugs, choosing the wrong men, having children too early, and even after getting off welfare she continued to make bad choices in men - a path followed by her daughter who is now also divorced and with a child collecting benefits from government........   Two identical starts, very differnet endings.

 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:07 | 4186288 RafterManFMJ
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Just think, if your income wasn't stolen from you to feed and clothe the FSA and its bastard spawn, you could have had your house and children 10 years earlier!

Signed, Fatisha

5 kids, 3 grandkids, and only 25.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 09:26 | 4185208 Janice
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Happiness is not in having more, but being content with what you have. I grew up dirt poor, and may be poor when I die, but I've made the most of what I've had and stretched a dollar until it hurt. It's been an interesting ride.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 09:52 | 4185237 Sean7k
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I was born with nothing and I still have most of it left!

This story is pure crappola, a creative writing assignment. Being poor didn't cause her to make bad decisions, she made those all on her own. It may be the source of poor choices to choose from, but those are two different things. 

Many of us have started with little, worked hard, educated ourselves while having kids, etc. It is almost a cliche in America, but as Janice correctly notes, Happiness is being content with what you have. No amount of money will change that. Approaching life with a degree of thankfulness while appreciating pleasures small and large goes a long way.

Articles like this, designed to create guilt and animosity do everyone a disservice. They pull at the weave of community and punch holes in the fabric. We need more menders...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:16 | 4185265 kaiserhoff
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Yes.  This story is pure bull shit, and ZH keeps falling for these fun but stupid fakes.

"She" writes well, but not much like a woman, or anyone who has been sleep deprived.  As soon as the stuff gets political it's easy to spot the fraud.  The Patriot Act keeps her poor?  In a pigs ass.  Let's learn to be a little more skeptical of this poor me shit on the net.

The trouble with internet quotations, is that they are difficult to authenticate.

                                                               Abe Lincoln.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:32 | 4185286 Sean7k
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Lol. Love the "quote".

I find ZH is as much MSM as CNBC, just better access to important stories.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:39 | 4185441 akarc
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"This story is pure bull shit"

I suspect those of us who have been there picked up on that fairly quickly.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:30 | 4185569 HulkHogan
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The Patriot Act part triggered the BS signal to me. I see poor people every day. Some are homeless and truely poor, while others burn money on cigs and smart phones. There's a big difference between being homeless (truely poor) and being poor because you buy shit like cigs, smart phones, and beer.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:33 | 4185277 fonzannoon
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lets go with the assumption she is poor. She wrote something, it went viral on the internet, she has 50k and counting and a book deal possibly coming her way.

She found a platform and improved her circumstances with her ability to write. What's so bad about that?

edit - I'm looking forward to getting junked to shit, and maybe I deserve it. But it's interesting how much anger gets directed at her when you consider how insignificant she is. If ZH put up an article titled "banker steals billions, pays several million dollar fine" none of us would bother reading it anymore. Yet this broad puts up something original and gets herself a pay day, if even by accident, and we are ready to stone her to death

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:36 | 4185293 kaiserhoff
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Nothing wrong with that fonz, except that genuine writers and artists are among the poorest somebitches I know, and the better their work, the more raggedy assed they are.  If you want to get financially well in Scumbama land, you need a gubbermint job.  Tragic, sad, and totally unsustainable, but true.

PS.  Poor people often write well, but they don't write structured, bullet point, political crap.  Check out Studs Terkel or some of what the Brit prison Doctor Dalrymple has to say about the poor.  Quite revealing.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:45 | 4185308 fonzannoon
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" If you want to get financially well in Scumbama land, you need a gubbermint job.  Tragic, sad, and totally unsustainable, but true."

No doubt. Which is why I applaud her for making a few bucks here without having to do that. 

With that said she will probably get herself a 75k/yr gig going around the country doing public speaking for GS as part of Lloyd's "see I am a nice guy" tour.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:44 | 4185306 Sean7k
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So the ultimate measure of value is the dollar Fonz? If it is purchased with deceit and division, we should applaud her machinations? 

We are a nation enslaved, divided by every possible means the Elites can throw at us, so we should celebrate their imaginations? Integrity and character need to be more than empty promises, otherwise we become the same as those that seek to keep us down and out. Poverty is a circumstance, but nothing to be ashamed of. How we live our lives, how we enrich our community and how we raise our children matters. It is out life's pride and honor.

Modern Americans have no idea of what poverty can be, we are cushioned by the affluence of others. We can be poor compared to other Americans or Europeans, but truly poor? Please. Early twentieth century Americans knew poverty, depression era Americans knew poverty, we are just "beset by difficulties", usually of our own making.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:03 | 4185319 fonzannoon
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Well if it is pure deceit of course I have an issue with that. But I am not sure where I see her being deceitful. She wrote something, which is certainly devisive, but we all seem to have found it worthy of our attention. So much so that some people threw her a few bucks which she can hopefully use to make her circumstances better.

And of course the ultimate measure of value is not the dollar. And no, she is not poor compared to many others. And of course I should not have stared three sentences in a row with "And".

But don't worry about it man, because it's over. There is no going back. Just try to take care of your own at this point and make sure the people around you have to get an earful from you frequently.  

Has anyone else read this?

http://killer-martinis.squarespace.com/my-wordpress/

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:36 | 4185427 Sean7k
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I read it and I still think it is fiction. Too many inconsistencies, but plenty of tugs on the heartstrings. 

Fonz, it is never "over". We will always retain the power to order our own lives, we merely need the courage to insist on it. We need to have values that come from within, not from without. Consumerism is a drug, government, a dependency. Law and justice? An illusion. We don't need a building code to know a well built home nor an agency to know what real food is. 

Government and law require the acceptance of the people to operate. We are the keys to social stability and community. To the extent we go along and partake, we nurture our own slavery and empower the Elites. However, it isn't a war that will free us, it is our own insistence on liberty, responsibility and opportunity. 

The darkness will always beckon, because we think we can hide from ourselves within it, but by exposing ourselves to light, we see the personal baggage that when cast aside, leaves us in full flight. Fly high my friend.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:36 | 4185434 fonzannoon
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I hear you Sean, and I most certainly may be a sucker here. Let me ask you man. Having read that, in what way do you find it fiction?

She seems pretty up front about not really being "poor" in the way you described it. I think she would agree with you. 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:51 | 4185537 Sean7k
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Let's see, raised by grandparents, but her mother is through out her life, therapists are free? Settlement, but could not afford dental? the whole pre-school story, why didn't she go back to Utah earlier? 

It is always apologetic for her shortcomings, takes responsibility without cost (like presidents?), there is no poverty here. Maybe, terrible choices in a rebellious phase of life after private schools and college. 

She does appreciate charity and will work to deserve it! Pure grifter.

This is just my take on it, but I am more concerned with a bigger picture. We must be watchful of propaganda and false storylines. Creation is an act of will and we need to focus on creating a land worth living in. This kind of story is a distraction, useful distractions that make up the everday life of all people. Like a Hollywood life, we pass through without truly living...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:43 | 4185456 akarc
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Just curious. Have you lived in poverty?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:53 | 4185485 fonzannoon
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I lived in bizarro world. I grew up in suburbia Long Island. My Dad did fine. My mother did not work. By the time I was 5 my mother was an alcoholic. By the time I was 8 my Dad moved out, kept the lights on in the house and my sister and I lived with a full blown alcoholic mother who now graduated to pain killers. We often had a fridge that had baking soda in it and nothing else. But we did not starve. We had clothes on our back. So poverty, no. Not even close. I could go on but to strictly answer your question, no I have not.

however please send donations to fonzannoonlovesmoney@gofundme.org

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:06 | 4185508 kaiserhoff
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Do you take credit cards???

I have a few very old ones I never bothered to cut up.  They will probably bounce higher than the empire state building.

Keeps things in perspective, doesn't it?

                             Happy Trails.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:30 | 4185567 Ralph Spoilsport
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Had the same situation with the alcoholic mother but my dad stuck around because it was the era of the "Organization Man" and divorces were to be avoided. He couldn't take her to many social functions without her being an embarassment.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:37 | 4185589 HulkHogan
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Thank you ZH for this post, in all honesty. This is the first time I can remember ZH'ers actually writing confessional, therapeutic comments. The article and the comments to this post have been great!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:12 | 4186038 ZH Snob
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here in the city of emphesema

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:18 | 4186308 NumberNone
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The story is 100% bullshit...how do I know?  Not one jab at Obama.  Funny that the poor under Obama suddenly arrive at the conclusion that it is their own poor decisions that lead them there.  Not one mention of the government short changing her and not giving enough hand-outs for survival.  I guess under Obama everything that can be done is.  I call bullshit.  

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 07:09 | 4185125 Cognitive Dissonance
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Well I see once again that the ZH comment section has devolved into the house slaves bickering with the field slaves and the factory slaves and the office slaves etc rather than confronting the master. Mission accomplished.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 08:11 | 4185152 Frankie Carbone
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Yep. Some people are feeling pretty fucking smug about themselves in here. But here's where my noodle gets baked. The SAME people that spend days on end here, post after post, savaging the elite for their bullshit metrics on employment and labor, wax poetically about the trashing of the dollar, wail and nash their teeth at the permanent exportation of US manufacturing, technology, and labor to 2nd and 3rd world nations, are the SAME people, in fact the FIRST people to turn around and say to someone, "lazy bitch! drop out of the FSA and get a job".

There are tons of sheeple here too. Just that they're black sheeple (as in oddball groupies, and not in the "african" sense).

You'd think they'd have just a bit of cognitive dissonance over this, wouldn't you Cog D.? ;)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 08:58 | 4185182 Cognitive Dissonance
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Agreed. Where we stand depends entirely upon where we sit. If we do not take the time to carefully, thoroughly and continuously examine ourselves and where we sit we can never gain the perspective to overcome our standing blind spots and Cognitive Dissonances.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 09:30 | 4185212 The Limerick King
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We struggle at not being poor

But here is the obvious score

There's only one pie

It's hard to get by

When our system lets rich folks take more

 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 09:50 | 4185226 Cognitive Dissonance
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Up until now "our" system allowed enough slaves to reach a higher more comfortable standard of living that it was in the slaves "best" interest to support and encourage "our" system. In other words the masters recognized that it was to the masters' advantage to allow the slaves some upward mobility because any additional costs to the masters from the increased standard of living for the slaves was more then compensated for by orders of magnitude greater efficiency and productivity from the slaves.

That status quo is rapidly coming to an end for a multitude of reasons and the slaves, with the overt and covert encouragement of the masters, are turning on each other rather than against the masters. That condition can be quickly summed up as "The Slave Mentality".

Mission Accomplished.

<This playbook is thousands of years old and it ain't gonna change unless "we" change it. And that process begins within via a much better understanding of our triggers and motivations. When we look within we find the inner slave. If we can get past the ugly realization of what we are (or more accurately what we have become) then and only then can we become what we are.....free souls and sovereign individuals.>

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:01 | 4185247 nmewn
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You mean we can't keep charging everything to the next generations credit card while we just pay the minimum to the card issuer? ;-)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:10 | 4185258 Cognitive Dissonance
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All I know is that when I'm in a sinking row boat I definitely don't want to be bailed(ing) in. :)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:06 | 4185254 duo
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see: Knockout Game.  One bunch of slaves attacking another.  They are both slaves because they are actually walking on a street rather than traveling by limo or helicopter.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:08 | 4185255 The Limerick King
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Fully agree CD...but I fear the enlightenment of who is to blame and who should be held to account will never be realised. Ignorance and human nature dictates that we will blame those we have been told are at fault by the various ideologies supported by the Masters. It is obvious many of the lower level Elite are starting to feel quilty about what is transpiring before their eyes. They believed in the system that they have benefited from over these many decades, but they are starting to see it for what it really is...a wealth extracting machine based on nothing more than the false prices created by an exponential debt super-cycle. It is this guilt that is giving me a flicker of hope for some type of judicious resolution to this mess...some type of debt jubilee combined with the return of sound money...but I still fear for the worst as well.

This topic is screaming for the old CD essay treatment, if you ask me...   ;-)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:23 | 4185268 Cognitive Dissonance
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"It is obvious many of the lower level Elite are starting to feel guilty about
what is transpiring before their eyes."

Or they can just become settled with a system of slaves (the poor), quasi slaves who believe themselves free (the middle and lower upper class) and masters. The Romans had few problems with this type of a system for hundreds of years. They just needed the proper amount and type of indoctrination. We/they/them can believe anything they want if they really truly want to believe.

On another note with the cold and wind settling in up here on the mountain I am spending more time at the keyboard. Maybe I'll actually finish the dozen articles I've already started.

Whoops...too late. Already started another one. :)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:28 | 4185280 IridiumRebel
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CD....love your posts. I referenced her because the article is about her and the commentary of the American poor. I agree that our ire should be focused on the Banksters. I just thought her story had some holes. We do need a concerted effort to unite all clans in fighting them. They are united against us. We are paying off all debt as our first salvo.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:06 | 4185350 Cognitive Dissonance
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Are the banksters the disease or just the symptom of the disease?

In my opinion we are the disease. The banksters and other (semi) sociopathic parasites are simply taking advantage of our inner dysfunction, of our slave mentality. They (and others of their ilk) cannot exist without our consent, regardless of whether that consent is coerced, connived or freely given.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:01 | 4185238 TWSceptic
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Nearly 50% of the population pays no taxes and isn't rich. Collectively they take at least as much from "the system" as do the "rich folks". The only difference is the rich (1%) get richer by taking from the system (banksters) while the poor stay poor by taking from the system (welfare).

It's the middle class and future generations who will pay the bill.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:22 | 4186318 RafterManFMJ
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future generations who will pay the bill.

 

No, I do not think they will pay the bill. When enough get clued in, they will default.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:43 | 4185305 CH1
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There's only one pie, It's hard to get by, When our system lets rich folks take more

Ditch the system and make your own pie!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:54 | 4185325 Dagny Taggart
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Absolutely. And furthermore... we should spend some time distinguishing between what the system has told you pie is, and what pie you might create by defining it yourself. It could be an entirely different dessert. :-)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:05 | 4186151 Platinum
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I like making an éclair once in a while. Makes you appreciate how much they cost in a good bakery.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:38 | 4185295 VD
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well said Frankie Carbone.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 09:39 | 4185220 YHC-FTSE
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It's worth wading through the rubbish to find the gem of acerbic wit in your post.

Where's mcmolotov these days? I think he would've posted much the same.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:05 | 4185251 Cognitive Dissonance
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Where's mcmolotov these days?

I have found that very few ZHer's actually leave this web site. Many still read, but rarely post anymore. Call it Zero Hedge fatigue. It can become extremely frustrating to see the exact same shit with each new day. Waiting for the collapse that never seems to come.

Perhaps a Crumble Rather than a Collapse.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:22 | 4185382 DaddyO
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Call it Zero Hedge fatigue. It can become extremely frustrating to see the exact same shit with each new day. Waiting for the collapse that never seems to come.

The wife and I went to a rodeo last night and the drive down revolved around this very subject. Mrs. DaddyO was asking me why I was not very talkative and my reply was I'm tired.

Tired from the internal desire to want to hit the reset button and get this game on, so we can get back to headlines about real life and not the contrived life currently being played out.

Mind you, I live in the country, grow a bunch of my own food, have chickens and hogs and horses. I live as removed from the system as I can, but the "fatigue" is still overwhelming.

Much of this revolves around the current usurpation of my Liberty by a government that is bent on total world domination to the exclusion of reality and the fact that "something for nothing" doesn't work.

I'll work through this, but the drudgery is tiring, nonetheless...

DaddyO

 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:48 | 4185422 Cognitive Dissonance
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"Tired from the internal desire to want to hit the reset button and get this game
on, so we can get back to headlines about real life and not the contrived life
currently being played out."

May I gently suggest that the 'reality' we (think) we were living before was just as unreal. It was more gentle and prosperous....and just as unsustainable. If that were not true we would not be here today.

We were not hijacked, but rather where we are today is the inevitable result of where we were and the path we were on. Many variables in the equation to be sure, but unsustainable was and still is unsustainable.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:52 | 4185479 DaddyO
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If you're referring to the current unsustainable financial system then yes your point is valid. I think it would help to frame my view point from my childhood. My parents were dirt poor, we ate whatever my Dad brought out of the swamp, turtle, swamp cabbage(heart of palm) and wild hog and an occasional deer. Potato soup was a constant staple as well as beans and rice and rice and beans.

We were not driven by consumerism, just the opposite. On Saturday mornings we would get up and go fishing and catch a slew of trout, snook, shrimp and crabs. That afternoon we would have a neighborhood fish fry and then the music would start. Guitars, bangos, accordians, you name it and the music would play until the wee hours. Kids would play tag and hide and seek, no video games, smart phones or other distractions.

CD, that's my reality, real relationships uncluttered by things. Hence, the rodeo is usually populated by real people without the need to text every little thing. Yes, our cuurent system is built on a mirage, but once the red pill is taken and you realize your need for real, tangible relationships uncluttered by Wall and Broad, things become clearer.

DaddyO

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:19 | 4185536 Cognitive Dissonance
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I too grew up poor so I understand your point of view. Mrs. Cog, who was born into a different (somewhat higher) socioeconomic strata, and I discuss this all the time.

One of the reasons Mrs. Cog and I moved to the mountains was to live among 'real' people, those more grounded to the Earth in a multitude of ways. One has a different view of reality when one lives, works and plays outside in Mother Nature. You can't help but have a different perspective on life after being up all night with a sick horse or helping Mother Nature deliver that new calf or feasting on an animal you raised from birth. Or just from cutting and splitting your own energy source. Sustainability no longer is just as esoteric concept you contemplate while queuing up for coffee at Starbucks.

And we have found what we were looking for up here. However........while shopping in various big box stores located up here on the Blue Ridge Plateau, stores that are surrounded by hundreds of farms and all those so called grounded people.......still we find the same blank stares and mindless consumerism we saw while living within 30 miles of DC. Which means to me that I am looking at the symptoms, not the disease.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:36 | 4185585 DaddyO
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When the reset occurs, that blank stare will be displaced with sheer terror for many. Many novelists currently writing about the TEOTWAWKI scenario outline a large dieoff of civilization in this country. I'm inclined to believe it will more likely be a "kill-off". That blank stare is really desparation in disguise, when the flag goes up it will morph into many different outcomes most unpleasant.

Matt Bracken writes convincingly on scenarios of collapse wherein the EBT system is the trigger.

Your excursions to the big box stores are similar to my locale as well. Normalcy bias is strong and not easily displaced. Circumstance will be the triggering factor for many to change their outlook. I don't think any of us who have decided to become more self reliant are ready for the coming storms on the horizon. The watchman may be the first to see the approaching storm but is still susceptible to shock and disbelief.

As well prepared as I consider myself, one cannot think of every little possibility. Adaptation and flexibility will separate the wheat from the chaff in my view.

DaddyO

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:35 | 4185584 HermesHiccups
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It is so much harder than it sounds but it really is all in our heads if we can get our heads thinking better our outlook will look better. (I understand this but still cannot help being triggered and react like a trained animal). I believe at times like this we will need to find spiritual answers to our questions since the world that we have created is going to take a long time to come back to the natural world. Below is great quote from one of my favorite books, I am trying to live like Hu 

“There was an old Taoist who lived in a village in ancient China, named Master Hu. Hu loved God and God loved Hu, and whatever God did was fine with Hu, and whatever Hu did was fine with God. They were friends. They were such good friends that they kidded around. Hu would do stuff to God like call him "The Great Clod." That's how he kidded. That was fine with God. God would turn around and do stuff to Hu like give him warts on his face, wens on his head, arthritis in his hands, a hunch in his back, canker sores in his mouth and gout in his feet. That's how He kidded. That God. What a kidder! But it was fine with Hu.
Master Hu grew lumpy as a toad; he grew crooked as cherry wood; he became a human pretzel. "You Clod!" he'd shout at God, laughing. That was fine with God. He'd send Hu a right leg ten inches shorter than the left to show He was listening. And Hu would laugh some more and walk around in little circles, showing off his short leg, saying to the villagers, "Haha! See how the Great Clod listens! How lumpy and crookedy and ugly He is making me! He makes me laugh and laugh! That's what a Friend is for!" And the people of the village would look at him and wag their heads: sure enough, old Hu looked like an owl's nest; he looked like a swamp; he looked like something the dog rolled in. And he winked at his people and looked up at God and shouted, "Hey Clod! What next?" And splot! Out popped a fresh wart.
The people wagged their heads till their tongues wagged too. They said, "Poor Master Hu has gone crazy." And maybe he had. Maybe God sent down craziness along with the warts and wens and hunch and gout. What did Hu care? It was fine with him. He loved God and God loved Hu, and Hu was the crookedest, ugliest, happiest old man in all the empire till the day he whispered,

Hey Clod! What now?

and God took his line in hand and drew him right into Himself. That was fine with Hu. That's what a Friend is for.” 
David James DuncanThe River Why

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:35 | 4185428 fonzannoon
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I look at it the opposite way. It's not the ZH people that I need a break from. It's the people I see and talk to on a daily basis that drive me insane.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 01:30 | 4187072 Prometheus418
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Agreed, Cog- and you're still one of my favorites.  Lots of stamina in you, and less bile than most.  I still read most of the articles, at least, but most comments have been rehashed ad nausium at this point, and it's just not worth it to repeat the same things over and over.

Keep on keepin' on, though- I always like reading your stuff.  You're definately one of the few that entice me to check back in here.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:18 | 4185267 spinone
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Exactly.  When the top 1% take 40% of everything, and corporations don't pay taxes, there isn't much left for the average person.

The system isn't working for most people.  Not sustainable.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:56 | 4185330 Oldwood
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Exactly who do you think pays the corporation's taxes?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:25 | 4185555 PT
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Cog Dis re field slaves vs factory slaves:

Excellent call.

And that is why you'll never see articles about single men who shun debt, don't drink, don't smoke, don't take funny drugs,  work hard, stick to a budget, and yet still somehow stay poor.  Much easier to write articles about idiots so everyone can say, "Oh yes but no wonder - she was an idiot."  (And apologies to the lady if she is not an idiot.  Feel free to replace the word, "idiot" with "easy target".

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:46 | 4185608 Cognitive Dissonance
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Prudence, self sufficiency and delayed gratification are traits not rewarded in the insane asylum. In fact you're declared a traitorous scoundrel and an enemy of the state of dysfunction.

What keeps me up at night is not so much that I might not see the end of this insanity before I die, but rather that my grandchildren might not.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 03:04 | 4184967 Skateboarder
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dupliskate.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 03:16 | 4184974 Occident Mortal
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I would never hire someone as miserable and self loathing as this for fear that it might be infectious.

Good grief.

People hire the people they like. The people that they are attracted to working with. Not someone who is terminally miserable.

My life is shit, I am poor. Please hire me. I won't steal the stationary or cough on you, etc etc.

Being positive actually does work. Because people want to hire positive people and not self loathing defeatists.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 08:42 | 4185170 cowdiddly
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you are assuming she would work for you. I would'nt if i was penniless

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 09:06 | 4185187 SilverIsKing
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You must not support a family.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:53 | 4186126 cowdiddly
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wrong, I support a happy family and instill independence in my children. That, and I keep myself out of debt and live within my means so i don't have to become a butt kissing suck ass over a job like you.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:16 | 4186744 Tall Tom
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Occidental Mortal...It is YOU that is not the epitome of someone who is "Positive". In fact the DENIAL of the DISMAL REALITY is actually quite NEGATIVE.

 

YOU are a NEGATIVE PERSON.

 

People hire people that they like? Qualifications are meaningless over that of "The Fucking Personality Contest"?

 

So you are happy with the Status Quo?

 

Then you wonder why the Country is headed toward collapse.

 

"That guy knows his shit. But I don't LIKE him. So we will hire the incompetent because he is likeable. In that way we can Bankrupt our business faster. But he is just so nice. It does not matter that he cost us every dime that we had."

 

That is what I'd expect from the Corporate Slime which occupies the ranks of the Human Resources Departments in most of our failing Corporations.

 

YOU are negative and I will not ever work for the likes of you. Fuck you. I will do my damnedest to work AGAINST YOU. Thank you for the INCENTIVE as if I needed anymore.

 

Collapse baby collapse as this Nation DESERVES IT.

 

Now a Total Collapse is actually quite POSITIVE.

 

Now I can paint a lie for you. I can make you feel good about yourself. I can applaud everything that you do. I can tell you that you are the greatest. I can tell you everything that you want to hear. I can charm the hell out of of you...to YOUR DEMISE. I am clever enough. (I can actually be pretty damn good at sales...if I chose that path.) But that is just what the Psychopathic Politicians do. That is what you promote.

 

I do not give a damn about people skills and I REFUSE TO PLAY POLITICS.

 

Fuck you and the very likes of you. You are the most Negative of all whom I have read here tonight.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 23:36 | 4186934 Creepy Lurker
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Holy shit, Tom, that's the best post I've read here in weeks.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 05:17 | 4185063 Lost My Shorts
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I agree that it's not a straight story.  It doesn't sound like bullshit, more like a starving would-be novelist who had some of those experiences, and knows others in similar circumstances, writing a fairly realistic composite of the experience of the working poor in America.  It's a bit too self-aware and perfect to be a true, straight autobiography.

The story nicely highlights the role of addictive personality to poverty.  Need the cigs, booze, anything for a moment of comfort.  It's like a morality tale straight out of Victorian times, but updated to the present.

It's also not clear how the novel ends.  Rod Dreher and Barbar Ehrenreich would write totally different endings.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:38 | 4185294 blindman
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@"It's also not clear how the novel ends. .."
.
"...If you want to know the truth, I don't know
what i think about it. i'm sorry i told so many
people about it. about all i know is, i sort of miss
everybody i told about. even old stradlater and
ackley, for instance. i think i even miss that
goddam maurice. It's funny. don't ever tell anybody
anything. if you do, you start missing everybody."
.
the end.
.
Lyrics[edit]

Comin' Thro' the Rye
.
O, Jenny's a' weet,[A] poor body,
Jenny's seldom dry:
She draigl't[B] a' her petticoatie,
Comin thro' the rye!

Chorus:
Comin thro' the rye, poor body,
Comin thro' the rye,
She draigl't a' her petticoatie,
Comin thro' the rye!

Gin[C] a body meet a body
Comin thro' the rye,
Gin a body kiss a body,
Need a body cry?[D]

(chorus)

Gin a body meet a body
Comin thro' the glen
Gin a body kiss a body,
Need the warl'[E] ken?[F]

(chorus)

Gin a body meet a body
Comin thro' the grain;
Gin a body kiss a body,
The thing's a body's ain.[G]

(chorus)

Ilka lassie has her laddie,
Nane, they say, ha’e I
Yet all the lads they smile on me,
When comin' thro' the rye.
A weet – wet
B draigl't – draggled
C gin – if, should
D cry – call out [for help]
E warl – world
F ken – know
G ain – own
The Catcher in the Rye[edit]

The title of the novel The Catcher in the Rye by J. D. Salinger comes from the poem's name. Holden Caulfield, the protagonist, misinterprets a part of this poem to mean "if a body catch a body" rather than "if a body meet a body." He keeps picturing children playing in a field of rye near the edge of a cliff, and him catching them when they start to fall off.[5]
wiki

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:25 | 4185395 hyper-critical
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She is clearly a speed freak. Probably crystal meth, because Adderall is for the upper-middle class.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:58 | 4185494 blindman
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she apparently is as attractive as they come and should move
to any other place than where she is and she could work for
many successful outfits. i've seen hundreds of less intelligent
and less attractive people making a very good income in my life.
see photo .
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/linda-tirado/why-poor-peoples-bad-decision...
.
if she can't make it no one can but i suspect she is a huffington post ringer.
there are 10's of millions of people, or more, who have a lot less going
on than she. she hasn't begun to make the really bad decisions that ruin a life,
imho.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:53 | 4186237 Errol
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IridiumRebel, "Smoking is no excuse for stimulation".

A couple of facts to know about smoking: (1) it's quite addictive.  (2) More importantly, one of nicotine's metabolites (conine) is approximately the most effective antianxiety/antidepression substance known to man.  Pharmaceutiacal companies have spent millions trying to find a nicotine or conine analog with similar positive properties and without the serious side effects, to no avail.

I'm a non-smoker, but I've learned I'm not in the circumstances to judge smokers.

BTW, low rent apartments come fully furnished with cockroaches the day you move in.  If you kill all of yours, the neighbors will send some of theirs right over.   And the worst part: they're even more difficult to make palatable than broccoli.  Even tosted they taste like shit.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:49 | 4186824 Tall Tom
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Thank you Errol for having EMPATHY...But for those whom are calling this lady a Drug Addict and other slights...

 

Facts about Smoking Cigarettes, Drugs, and Alcohol.

 

Currently 20% of the population in the United States smokes Cigarettes. Currently 20% of the population in our Nation uses Alcohol and are "Heavy Drinkers". Currently 10% of the population uses Illegal Drugs.

 

Did you know that 50% of people who are Heavy Drinkers smoke Cigarettes? Did you know that 95% of Illegal Drug Users smoke Cigarettes?

 

What does this mean? If you smoke cigarettes there is a 47.5% chance that you use Illegal Drugs? That MEANS that almost one out of every two Cigarette Smokers are Druggies.

 

If you smoke Cigarettes there is roughly a One out of Four chance that you are a Heavy Drinker, that you have a problem with Alcohol.

 

Did you know that 98% of all Schizophernics smoke Cigarettes? They comprise just One Percent of the Population. They are also very likely to use Illegal Drugs.

 

Why is that? Can they be Self Medicating as their Psych Meds are ineffective?

 

Schizophernia is caused by imbalances in the secretion and reuptake of Norepinephrine (Dopamine) and Epinephrine (Adrenaline), Neurochemicals secreted in the Brain. People do not make a choice to become Schizophrenic. The Brain is just an organ, just like the Pancreas. (Insulin is just another hormone which is lacking in those whom are Diabetic. We do not villify those people.)

 

Nicotine metabolizes into Nicotinic Acid, that which prevents the reuptake of the excess Dopamine and Adrenaline, leaving it in the Synaptic Gap.

 

Now for what reason do you people want to prevent those suffering from a Diseased Organ want to refuse that which alleviates the symptoms?

 

The woman writer may not be a Drug Addict at all. But my bet is that she is suffering from some profound Psychological Disorder, MENTAL ILLNESS, caused by a Diseased Brain...AN ORGAN.

 

AND FEW GET THIS.

 

The lack of EMPATHY on this website just demonstrates that many of the authors of the comments are suffering from PROFOUND PSYCHOPATHY, which is far more dangerous of a Mental Disorder than Schizophrenia will ever be.

 

That is really very sad. Too many of you are very, very sick.

 

Many expose themselves so well. Far too many are also in DENIAL.

 

Now...How do you like MY JUDGMENT???

 

Downarrow and DENY IT.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 02:48 | 4187122 hyper-critical
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I've just met tons of people like her. She'd fit right in at a CMA meeting. 

Ironically, it's you that's exposed yourself.

I'll pray for you : )

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:45 | 4185307 auntiesocial
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do what my wife does- blames the crappy economy on me. 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:58 | 4185336 kaiserhoff
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I was married once,

  but I made a full recovery.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:17 | 4185907 Platinum
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The best way to quit, is to never start.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:10 | 4185259 noless
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If the poor didn't drink there would be no breweries.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 11:25 | 4187740 Pizza man
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Not knocking this woman one bit. I started out poor. However, I did some of my best thinking and planning when I was at work. Either at a slow periods or when work was repetitive. And driving? Who doesn't let their mind wander on a daily commute? An hour in the car twice a day and she doesn't think about her situation and plan alternatve options???

I know it's tougher now than it was..much, but to say you don't have time to think is lame, IMHO.

 

 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 00:58 | 4184836 Anusocracy
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If she wants a better understanding of her predicament, maybe she should consider that the cost of government day in 2012 fell on July 11th.

The burden that is government is 197 days of the working year, or 54% of GDP.

So, fuck the government, and the voters it rode in on.

http://www.costofgovernment.org/announcing-release-2012-cost-government-...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 09:29 | 4185211 Herodotus
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That "economist" has obviously been smoking too much weed in Ann Arbor.   Why not forget about another government scheme and just try "sound money" for a change.  Then let the chips fall where they may.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:49 | 4185315 El Cuervo
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I laughed til I cried, then I realized they were serious. Oh...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 03:11 | 4184970 mumbo_jumbo
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Johnny nail it.   whenever i hear some one who whines about liberals or conservatives i know they are brainwashed.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 09:47 | 4185231 uncle.bigs
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This story proves what I've always believed.  The poor are poor because they're fat and stupid.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:32 | 4185570 PT
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And you are ignorant because you get your world view from stupid articles like this one.  Plenty of good people out there only just scraping by, but no-one will ever write articles about them because that would be telling.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 00:13 | 4184753 WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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She's got good points on a lot of stuff (see her writings re: the FED, for example), but she still doesn't grasp the full picture (my ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT friend should get a free pass). Despite her misguided conclusions, her diagnosis is roughly correct: despite her hard work, she's presmumably FUBAR under the current system. 

Am I wrong?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 04:24 | 4185024 Surly Bear
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I think you are wrong. The entire concept of 'illegal alien' is a political concept. Look up scholarly writing regarding Immigration Act of 1924. There was a day, not long ago, when all of us save the indigenous people were aliens.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 08:43 | 4185172 Uncle Remus
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Even the indigenous peoples aren't from around here.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 00:38 | 4184811 Bro of the Sorr...
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you imply that the treasury had money to begin with. not the case.

Sat, 11/23/2013 - 23:06 | 4184596 ZH Snob
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the poor are ahead of the curve of where we're all headed.

blessed are the poor in spirit

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:24 | 4186066 mkkby
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Maybe so.  But this poor woman, fictional or real, can do a lot to improve her lot in life.

1.  Get the fuck out of san FranShitCo, the highest cost city you can find.  People making 100k are doing just okay there.  And while you're at it, get the fuck out of high tax CA all together.

They need cooks and dish washers in small towns too.  Your cost of living will be a fraction.

2.  Quit wasting time and money on school tuition.  It likely won't have a payoff -- enough sleep and good food are much more important.  Come to think of it, this is the planning time that's being frittered away.

3.  Stop living in motels, the most expensive option.  In your next small town, rent will be MUCH lower and costs can be shared with neighbors.

Do this now.  Quit school today.  Pack tomorrow.  Throw out anthing you can't carry in one case and hitchhike if you can't afford a bus ticket.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:27 | 4186074 mkkby
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BTW, I'm quite sure this person is fictional. 

Why?  She works as a cook, owns a microwave and can't cook broccoli.  WTF?

Being about SF, home of Nancy Pelosi -- most likely this is a marketing ploy for Democrat votes, more welfare and taxes.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 04:46 | 4185040 Barefooted_Tramp
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not poor but miserable. There is a difference. The poor man still has his dignity. The miserable one has lost it.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:07 | 4185513 DaddyO
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Exactly, misery is optional...

Pain and suffering are inevitable, but one doesn't have to be miserable as a result.

DaddyO

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:37 | 4185587 PT
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Misery is a sign that you can no longer see any options.  If you can always find an option that works before the misery kicks in, consider yourself lucky.  Some people are physically blind.  Some are mentally blind.  And the mental blindness doesn't have to be big to cause trouble.  It just has to be in the wrong place.

Fri, 12/06/2013 - 10:10 | 4186321 Red Lenin
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I earn the UK minimum wage as does my wife and I'm on here. Well, depends on how you interpret drawings from a business.

Sat, 11/23/2013 - 22:54 | 4184603 boogerbently
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.....at what ?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:55 | 4185990 Dr. Everett V. Scott
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She says:

"I will never not be poor, so what does it matter..."

Wrong attitude.

In my 7 decades I've seen many people do well, and many do poorly.  The difference seems to come down to this: are they spenders, or savers? 

If she saved even a few dollars a week — not impossible — in a couple years she would have some resources, which would give her options.

But when the attitude is "I will never not be poor", then it is easy to spend every $, € or £ that comes in.  Result: she will always be poor.

Politicians have learned to capitalize on that bad attitude. They promise free stuff in return for a simple vote. The result is that Obama gets elected, and re-elected. 

I suppose that means we're doomed.

Sat, 11/23/2013 - 22:29 | 4184539 LetThemEatRand
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"Cooking attracts roaches. Nobody realizes that. I've spent a lot of hours impaling roach bodies and leaving them out on toothpick pikes to discourage others from entering. It doesn't work, but is amusing."

Free money for nothing attracts bankers.  Everybody realizes that.  I've spent a lot of hours imagining (no, NSA, not doing or advocating) impaling Bankers bodies and leaving them out on toothpick spikes to discourange other bankers from stealing my money.  It doesn't work, but is amusing.

Sat, 11/23/2013 - 22:52 | 4184598 boogerbently
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Yeah,

No working stove, pans or spices (that's about all the further I chose to devote to this story) and she had HOW MANY KIDS ????

 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:10 | 4185260 RSloane
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I think that was just reflective of another bad decision she made.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 01:20 | 4184870 dunce
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I have been home cooking all my life and only had a roach problem when i lived in a duplex and my neighbor was slovenly. She does not say what the father (s) of her children provide to the household.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 23:12 | 4186888 Tall Tom
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There is a cure for that (other than moving) There is Insecticide paste that you can purchase and seal the baseboards and under the sinks...It works like a charm...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 03:53 | 4184998 StychoKiller
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Dampness attract roaches more than the free food.  Keep the sinks and bathtubs dry at all times (and kill the little mo'fo's every chance you get!)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 06:28 | 4185096 Wile-E-Coyote
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That is a thought crime, 20 years for you, besides we need workers in the prison to assemble iShit.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:20 | 4185376 Vendetta
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"we need workers in the prison to assemble iShit."  Foxconn is China though

Sat, 11/23/2013 - 22:32 | 4184544 NoDebt
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"The closest Planned Parenthood to me is three hours."

Wow, you really are jammed up, honey.

Sat, 11/23/2013 - 22:36 | 4184554 LetThemEatRand
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Planned parenthood called me tonight for money.  I told them I would donate to Planned Bankerhood.   Apparently, federal money can't be used to abort bankers.  

Sat, 11/23/2013 - 22:46 | 4184582 TBT or not TBT
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PP has been very effective at its original eugenics mission. Tens of millions of poor minorities no one needs to opine about the daily struggles of. That's why the Dems need open borders and amnesty, the wild success of their abortion mills.

Sat, 11/23/2013 - 23:52 | 4184725 0b1knob
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"The closest Planned Parenthood to me is three hours. That's a lot of money in gas."

Condoms are about 20 cents each and have the added benefit of preventing disease.    And crossing your legs costs NOTHING.   Then again you could just marry one of your three baby daddies.  

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:05 | 4185348 JPM Hater001
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Birth control pills should be $5 and available behind the counter at the pharmacy. Seriously

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 00:30 | 4184740 rbg81
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I call Bullshit on most of this article:

-- No one can get by on three hours of sleep each night for 5 nights.

-- Driving 1 hour each way to job #2?  Where does she live anyway?  The suburbs?

-- If you are in that dire straits, why take a full course load?  Why not got to school part time?

-- It isn't hard to set up a fucking bank account.  All you need is $$, ID and an address.  Since she can drive, she at least has a drivers license.  Why blame the Patriot Act?  

-- There are lots of single women who are lonely and don't get pregnant.

-- So she can afford cigarettes, but not gas, eh? 

There a lot of poor people who don't make stupid ass decisions.  People make stupid ass decisions when they know they Government will bail them out if they fuck up too badly.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 00:49 | 4184824 dark pools of soros
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its probably just some bored spoiled brat's blog...pictures or it didnt happen...   roaches on pikes??  ya with kids around

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 00:58 | 4184833 rbg81
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Yeah, why would anyone lie or exaggerate about such a thing?  Sorry, but we all know that people with an agenda have no problem lying.  The whole diatribe just seemed too contrived and inconistent.

Also, been cooking since I was a teenager and never seen a roach yet.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 02:33 | 4184946 Parrotile
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Try living in rural Australia. Guarantee you'll be seeing plenty, no matter how careful you are with your cooking.

We have BIG ones too, including the World's biggest (80cm / 35 grams!). It seems they make "good pets" and can live up to TEN YEARS!!

http://shop.thegreenscorpion.com.au/p/8337935/giant-burrowing-cockroach-macropanesthia-rhinoceros.html . A native resident of Queensland (along with them pesky Cane Toads I suppose!!)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 04:10 | 4185007 Midas
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Uh, I followed your link and it lists the size as 80mm, not cm.  I am glad I checked, because I wasn't going to be able to sleep.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 04:13 | 4185012 Skateboarder
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80cm is almost a three foot cockroach. I'm sure they existed in the dinosaur days. :)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:00 | 4185244 TeamDepends
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D.C. is infested with 180cm cockaroaches.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:00 | 4185340 willwork4food
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Please, that's an insult to cockroaches.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 06:02 | 4185084 Poor Grogman
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Sleeping outdoors one night in Darwin NT a flying Australian cockroach landed right on my face. The spiky legs and scaly wings up close and personal, something you don't forget easily.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:01 | 4185649 Stuck on Zero
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I got hit in the side of the face with a beetle in Costa Rica.  It felt like a line drive hit by major leaguer.  I picked the thing up and it was black and weighed about a pound.  It was unfazed by the collision.

 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:21 | 4185788 Poor Grogman
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Maybe it was hunting for dinner?

But simply underestimated your size

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 03:30 | 4184980 starfcker
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this one doesn't add up. i worked from the age of 12, because i wanted my own money. i had the lowest level and low paying jobs you can think of. i cleaned bird cages, i washed dishes, i was a busboy, i was a roofer. what did i get out of it? self confidence and self sufficiency. i knew how to get what i needed, work. i was poor for a long time, i lived in a weekly room, saved, got an efficiency, saved, one bedroom. went to college as i could afford it. when i got my first nice car, a jealous wife of a friend made some snitty comments about it, and i pointed out to her that they spent more on alcohol and cigarettes than my car cost. i bought my first house bartending, my coworkers couldn't understand how. i took my money home and saved it while they partied. 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:24 | 4185385 translator zero
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+1 You nailed it.

 

Problem is, in this environment the savings my grandma told me about (paper, and now electronic dollars) is not rational.

Besides the math of negative real interest rates as well as somewhat high price inflation, think of the times savers lose and debters win: college financial aid, or the deals they cut at hospitals for when you have no assets versus frugal Fred with $ in the bank, or - heaven forbid - you had to sell that bartender house post bubble.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:48 | 4185849 Miffed Microbio...
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Starfcker, i did many menial jobs too. Fastfood was the easiest. I worked on a dairy milking 100 Jersey cows and woke up a few times on the cement floor being kicked in the chest. On the same farm I had to load entails in a tracker bucket and scrape manure out of the holding pen after the cows were milked. My hands bled so badly I had to wrap them in cloth. The temp in the winter often got -20 and just avoid frost bite was a challenge but the cows had to be milked no matter what. When I paid for my college classes each year I truly knew I had worked hard for it. Most kids had their parents write a check.

I must say I am damn impressed about the roofer part. A few years ago we had our tile roof replaced and I was amazed at the workmen. They would put 40lbs of tile in their shoulder and walk up the ladder. Of course, roofing is done late spring and summer so they would do this in 80-105 degree heat! I often watched them work just impressed with their skills. Of course Mr Miffed saw it differently. " Are you gawking at those guys again?" " No, absolutely not! I am appreciating the embodiment of raw pure male form and sexuality displaying itself in my presence. I am appreciating art. Michelangelo's David without going to Florence." I don't think he bought it.

Miffed;-)

I

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:24 | 4185910 starfcker
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a second read of this article makes me think it's fiction. too many DNC touchpoints.(PP, college, patriot act. if you go to her twitter feed she's talking collapsing roads and bridges) this is some plump, college educated, man hater with a boy hair cut cranking out this piece because her boss told her to. only men in her life are ben and jerry. and if it's real? sorry honey, you get out of life what you put into it. i didn't have to be poor. my parents would have helped. i was exited to be independent and out in the world. instead of "spending hours impaling roaches on toothpicks", CLEAN THE KITCHEN. and miffed, your roofers were wimps going up the ladder with 40 pounds, most roofing stuff weighs about twice that. what's going to fix this country? same thing that built this country. work

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:15 | 4186049 Miffed Microbio...
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I rechecked this with Mr and he said my gauging of it was incorrect. I was using a sack of feed as a template (40#) which I can barely lift and dump in my metal garbage can. He showed me the stack of tiles carried would be approximately 2 feed sacks thus closer to 80#. I stand corrected. I am even more impressed and respectful of the hard work these men did on my home. Truly you had to be quite in shape to do this line of work especially in such hot conditions.

Miffed;-)

Sat, 11/30/2013 - 16:04 | 4202252 shiftless
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"a second read of this article makes me think it's fiction. too many DNC touchpoints."

YES. Thank you. I noticed the same thing on the first read. How many fat black Section 8 dwelling heffers do you know who can write this good, and have awareness of all this stuff? I laughed out loud at blaming the Patriot Act for not being able to get a bank account. Like really, are you fucking serious? This reads like some libtard idiot who wants to "feel empathy" for poor people by "letting us know what it's like", which backfired of course because most people are smart enough to realize all the excuses she leans on in this piece of FICTION are just that, bullshit excuses. Even if this bitch is real, I don't feel the slightest bit sorry for her. The stupid ass put herself in this position.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 05:48 | 4185078 j.tennquist
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Indeed, cooking doesn't attract roaches, or any bugs for that matter.

The act of NOT taking out the garbage or waste products afterwords attracts all sorts of critters which toothpick funeral pyres won't deter. 

I lived in a apartment building that was infested with roaches and learned quickly that if you take out your trash consistently, you starve the bugs and they stay out of your place.

I guess she could not budget a cigarette to give her the necessary energy to clean up her own mess.   

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 10:33 | 4185290 Bob Dobbs
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Entymolologists agree: To the cockroach, humans are but a temporary infestation.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 01:28 | 4184867 cat_artist
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Sun, 11/24/2013 - 08:19 | 4185154 Running On Bing...
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Let me help you with that.

"There are many reasons why the poor are 'poor'".

You're poor because you're not a member of The Tribe.

Over.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 01:20 | 4184868 cat_artist
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I've been a member of ZH for four years, four weeks. I note the preponderance of misogynistic remarks on all counts, especially against the female of the species.

You, sir, are an ignorant ass, and worse. I ran the same schedule as the author of this article for years...work, school, and almost no sleep with five kids and a useless (now former) husband who smashed all the furniture in the house and stopped filing taxes to stop me getting a Pell Grant. So I kept a 4.0 and got merit scholarships.My last quarter in school I finished 29 quarter credits (night school and day school), all As. Oh, and I worked 20 hours a week. I used to study for an exam with my notes on the wheel in front of me as I drove the freeway to the exam.

I used to get my kids home and in bed and asleep at 10:30 p.m. at night. I would settle down to drafting until 4:00 a.m. Sleep for a couple of hours, get up, gets kids to daycare, go to work, go to school. I came out with a B.Sc, Phi Beta Kappa, a 3.97 GPA, and a job in which I caught up with my peers who had been in my field for twenty-five years in both capacity and earnings in 4.5 years.

Husband left with new girlfriend. I got four of the court-ordered child support payments in the five years it took me to finish raising the kids myself. So I ran three jobs. My oldest often had to drive 25 miles to get me because I was too tired to drive home myself. Then he would take me back to work the next morning. My lawyer told me that it was lucky I didn't end up paying my ex alimony because I earned so much more than my ex.

It was worth the effort. I and my new partner earned in the top three percent in the US last year.

But I worked harder, and also smarter, than a horse's ass like you could ever know to get where I am today. But I haven't forgotten the hardship. I give away 100% of my current earnings, and more.

And I'm a partner in a software startup that is about to launch with no debt and software that solves several of the world's outstanding 3D graphics problems. We own all of it, I and my five partners.

And revenge is sometimes very sweet. I inherited quite a lot of money, and part of a 5000-acre farm, and other goodies. My ex has nothing to retire on and is still working at almost seventy. He will have to work until he cannot work any more. I will work until I can't any more because I wish to, and in the meantime, I'm building a log home above a lake that is the stuff of dreams.

But I've been where the woman in the story writes, so poor I have to bounce a check to get food, and almost having our house taken. My dad stepped in and paid it off for us, which was a really good start. Gee, we even spent some time homeless, living in a camper, with four children while I was pregnant with the fifth. And yes, I know where kids come from. I didn't believe in having abortions and my ex was quite sure about his god-given right to have sex when he wanted it, regardless, and oh, contraception was illegal for anyone in the country in which we lived, Protestant or Catholic. Fixed that with tied tubes here. Thank you, Planned Parenthood.

So take your unbelievable ignorance and acid and shove it. Your statements condemn you more than you could possibly know.

cat

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 01:50 | 4184910 Northern Lights
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@ cat_artist, you get no props from me for your hardships.  The choices you made were your own.

Stop talking like you're doing society a favour by raising your own brood alone.

As for your problems with the ex-husband, remember, YOU picked him.  You coulda picked a "nice" guy.  Instead you went for the exciting thug-type no doubt.  A common social disease infested in just about every Western female.

You're not a victim, so stop talking like one.  Your kids are the only victims here.

Made. Bed. Lie.

 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 02:34 | 4184948 cat_artist
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And you missed the point entirely. I am not complaining about my life. I was backing up the person who wrote about her life. Lots of us have had very hard lives just like the lady writes. Some of us manage to climb out of the hole, some don't. But it's not just hard work that takes you out. It's also luck, and some help at the right time along the way. Some never manage it, but that's not always their own fault. I consider myself lucky because as with my house, my dad stepped in and paid for it. That kept us housed and stable while I finished school. Without that, who knows.

And yes. You are quite correct. I did pick him. A college-educated, US Naval man from the good old USA, whom I met in Europe. My, my, what a mistake, but that wasn't apparent at the time. Oddly enough my parents had better judgement. I was told I would be disinherited if I married him. Well, that meant I had to chose between money or love. I chose to prove I could not be bought. Oops. Learned that lesson. Next time, please, please, pay me not to get married.

Not to mention, nobody knew at the time that Vietnam vets might have issues to the extent that many of them did, and do. I see the same issues with vets from Iraq and Afghanistan in the newspaper every day now, so I can't exactly be held accountable for being so dumb as to marry a fine upstanding, well-educated sailor, now can I.

When I got married in the early seventies, nobody expected that Vietnam vets would have the problems that they did. The rest of my ex's family are the kind of Americans that would make anyone proud. They took care of each other when they got sick, (Parkinson's/strokes), paid their bills, looked after their houses, and worked decent, steady jobs all, or most of their lives (schoolteachers, doctors, farmers). I met almost all of my former husband's family, except for his parents, who were both deceased, and had no reason to think he might be different from his family. My ex-husband served his country, got his degree, and should have been just fine. But he wasn't.

Hence the story corroborating Ms. Martini's story. If you have never been poor and figured out how to work your way out of it, you have no understanding of just how hard it is.

And so you make the kind of jackass comments you just did. I did make my bed, and I got out of it, left it, and made my way. I had help from my dad at just the right time. Not everybody does.

I can't believe I'm sitting here wasting my life replying to the likes of you. Better things to do. Going to do them.

cat

 

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