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White House Releases Iran Deal Fact Sheet - President Obama To Speak
The White House has released their (lengthy) fact sheet...
"During the six-month initial phase, the P5+1 will negotiate the contours of a comprehensive solution... Over the next six months, we will determine whether there is a solution that gives us sufficient confidence that the Iranian program is peaceful. If Iran cannot address our concerns, we are prepared to increase sanctions and pressure.
Suspend certain sanctions on gold and precious metals, Iran’s auto sector, and Iran’s petrochemical exports, potentially providing Iran approximately $1.5 billion in revenue
Israelis, Saudis, and Republicans are already questioning the decision...
Full Fact Sheet:
A Comprehensive Solution
During the six-month initial phase, the P5+1 will negotiate the contours of a comprehensive solution. Thus far, the outline of the general parameters of the comprehensive solution envisions concrete steps to give the international community confidence that Iran’s nuclear activities will be exclusively peaceful. With respect to this comprehensive resolution: nothing is agreed to with respect to a comprehensive solution until everything is agreed to. Over the next six months, we will determine whether there is a solution that gives us sufficient confidence that the Iranian program is peaceful. If Iran cannot address our concerns, we are prepared to increase sanctions and pressure.
Conclusion
In sum, this first step achieves a great deal in its own right. Without this phased agreement, Iran could start spinning thousands of additional centrifuges. It could install and spin next-generation centrifuges that will reduce its breakout times. It could fuel and commission the Arak heavy water reactor. It could grow its stockpile of 20% enriched uranium to beyond the threshold for a bomb's worth of uranium. Iran can do none of these things under the conditions of the first step understanding.
Furthermore, without this phased approach, the international sanctions coalition would begin to fray because Iran would make the case to the world that it was serious about a diplomatic solution and we were not. We would be unable to bring partners along to do the crucial work of enforcing our sanctions. With this first step, we stop and begin to roll back Iran's program and give Iran a sharp choice: fulfill its commitments and negotiate in good faith to a final deal, or the entire international community will respond with even more isolation and pressure.
The American people prefer a peaceful and enduring resolution that prevents Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon and strengthens the global non-proliferation regime. This solution has the potential to achieve that. Through strong and principled diplomacy, the United States of America will do its part for greater peace, security, and cooperation among nations.
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Fact Sheet: First Step Understandings Regarding the Islamic Republic of Iran’s Nuclear Program
The P5+1 (the United States, United Kingdom, Germany, France, Russia, and China, facilitated by the European Union) has been engaged in serious and substantive negotiations with Iran with the goal of reaching a verifiable diplomatic resolution that would prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
President Obama has been clear that achieving a peaceful resolution that prevents Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon is in America’s national security interest. Today, the P5+1 and Iran reached a set of initial understandings that halts the progress of Iran's nuclear program and rolls it back in key respects. These are the first meaningful limits that Iran has accepted on its nuclear program in close to a decade. The initial, six month step includes significant limits on Iran's nuclear program and begins to address our most urgent concerns including Iran’s enrichment capabilities; its existing stockpiles of enriched uranium; the number and capabilities of its centrifuges; and its ability to produce weapons-grade plutonium using the Arak reactor. The concessions Iran has committed to make as part of this first step will also provide us with increased transparency and intrusive monitoring of its nuclear program. In the past, the concern has been expressed that Iran will use negotiations to buy time to advance their program. Taken together, these first step measures will help prevent Iran from using the cover of negotiations to continue advancing its nuclear program as we seek to negotiate a long-term, comprehensive solution that addresses all of the international community's concerns.
In return, as part of this initial step, the P5+1 will provide limited, temporary, targeted, and reversible relief to Iran. This relief is structured so that the overwhelming majority of the sanctions regime, including the key oil, banking, and financial sanctions architecture, remains in place. The P5+1 will continue to enforce these sanctions vigorously. If Iran fails to meet its commitments, we will revoke the limited relief and impose additional sanctions on Iran.
The P5+1 and Iran also discussed the general parameters of a comprehensive solution that would constrain Iran's nuclear program over the long term, provide verifiable assurances to the international community that Iran’s nuclear activities will be exclusively peaceful, and ensure that any attempt by Iran to pursue a nuclear weapon would be promptly detected. The set of understandings also includes an acknowledgment by Iran that it must address all United Nations Security Council resolutions – which Iran has long claimed are illegal – as well as past and present issues with Iran’s nuclear program that have been identified by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). This would include resolution of questions concerning the possible military dimension of Iran’s nuclear program, including Iran’s activities at Parchin. As part of a comprehensive solution, Iran must also come into full compliance with its obligations under the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) and its obligations to the IAEA. With respect to the comprehensive solution, nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. Put simply, this first step expires in six months, and does not represent an acceptable end state to the United States or our P5+1 partners.
Halting the Progress of Iran’s Program and Rolling Back Key Elements
Iran has committed to halt enrichment above 5%:
· Halt all enrichment above 5% and dismantle the technical connections required to enrich above 5%.
Iran has committed to neutralize its stockpile of near-20% uranium:
· Dilute below 5% or convert to a form not suitable for further enrichment its entire stockpile of near-20% enriched uranium before the end of the initial phase.
Iran has committed to halt progress on its enrichment capacity:
· Not install additional centrifuges of any type.
· Not install or use any next-generation centrifuges to enrich uranium.
· Leave inoperable roughly half of installed centrifuges at Natanz and three-quarters of installed centrifuges at Fordow, so they cannot be used to enrich uranium.
· Limit its centrifuge production to those needed to replace damaged machines, so Iran cannot use the six months to stockpile centrifuges.
· Not construct additional enrichment facilities.
Iran has committed to halt progress on the growth of its 3.5% stockpile:
· Not increase its stockpile of 3.5% low enriched uranium, so that the amount is not greater at the end of the six months than it is at the beginning, and any newly enriched 3.5% enriched uranium is converted into oxide.
Iran has committed to no further advances of its activities at Arak and to halt progress on its plutonium track. Iran has committed to:
· Not commission the Arak reactor.
· Not fuel the Arak reactor.
· Halt the production of fuel for the Arak reactor.
· No additional testing of fuel for the Arak reactor.
· Not install any additional reactor components at Arak.
· Not transfer fuel and heavy water to the reactor site.
· Not construct a facility capable of reprocessing. Without reprocessing, Iran cannot separate plutonium from spent fuel.
Unprecedented transparency and intrusive monitoring of Iran’s nuclear program
Iran has committed to:
· Provide daily access by IAEA inspectors at Natanz and Fordow. This daily access will permit inspectors to review surveillance camera footage to ensure comprehensive monitoring. This access will provide even greater transparency into enrichment at these sites and shorten detection time for any non-compliance.
· Provide IAEA access to centrifuge assembly facilities.
· Provide IAEA access to centrifuge rotor component production and storage facilities.
· Provide IAEA access to uranium mines and mills.
· Provide long-sought design information for the Arak reactor. This will provide critical insight into the reactor that has not previously been available.
· Provide more frequent inspector access to the Arak reactor.
· Provide certain key data and information called for in the Additional Protocol to Iran’s IAEA Safeguards Agreement and Modified Code 3.1.
Verification Mechanism
The IAEA will be called upon to perform many of these verification steps, consistent with their ongoing inspection role in Iran. In addition, the P5+1 and Iran have committed to establishing a Joint Commission to work with the IAEA to monitor implementation and address issues that may arise. The Joint Commission will also work with the IAEA to facilitate resolution of past and present concerns with respect to Iran’s nuclear program, including the possible military dimension of Iran’s nuclear program and Iran’s activities at Parchin.
Limited, Temporary, Reversible Relief
In return for these steps, the P5+1 is to provide limited, temporary, targeted, and reversible relief while maintaining the vast bulk of our sanctions, including the oil, finance, and banking sanctions architecture. If Iran fails to meet its commitments, we will revoke the relief. Specifically the P5+1 has committed to:
· Not impose new nuclear-related sanctions for six months, if Iran abides by its commitments under this deal, to the extent permissible within their political systems.
· Suspend certain sanctions on gold and precious metals, Iran’s auto sector, and Iran’s petrochemical exports, potentially providing Iran approximately $1.5 billion in revenue.
· License safety-related repairs and inspections inside Iran for certain Iranian airlines.
· Allow purchases of Iranian oil to remain at their currently significantly reduced levels – levels that are 60% less than two years ago. $4.2 billion from these sales will be allowed to be transferred in installments if, and as, Iran fulfills its commitments.
· Allow $400 million in governmental tuition assistance to be transferred from restricted Iranian funds directly to recognized educational institutions in third countries to defray the tuition costs of Iranian students.
Humanitarian Transactions
Facilitate humanitarian transactions that are already allowed by U.S. law. Humanitarian transactions have been explicitly exempted from sanctions by Congress so this channel will not provide Iran access to any new source of funds. Humanitarian transactions are those related to Iran’s purchase of food, agricultural commodities, medicine, medical devices; we would also facilitate transactions for medical expenses incurred abroad. We will establish this channel for the benefit of the Iranian people.
Putting Limited Relief in Perspective
In total, the approximately $7 billion in relief is a fraction of the costs that Iran will continue to incur during this first phase under the sanctions that will remain in place. The vast majority of Iran’s approximately $100 billion in foreign exchange holdings are inaccessible or restricted by sanctions.
In the next six months, Iran’s crude oil sales cannot increase. Oil sanctions alone will result in approximately $30 billion in lost revenues to Iran – or roughly $5 billion per month – compared to what Iran earned in a six month period in 2011, before these sanctions took effect. While Iran will be allowed access to $4.2 billion of its oil sales, nearly $15 billion of its revenues during this period will go into restricted overseas accounts. In summary, we expect the balance of Iran’s money in restricted accounts overseas will actually increase, not decrease, under the terms of this deal.
Maintaining Economic Pressure on Iran and Preserving Our Sanctions Architecture
During the first phase, we will continue to vigorously enforce our sanctions against Iran, including by taking action against those who seek to evade or circumvent our sanctions.
· Sanctions affecting crude oil sales will continue to impose pressure on Iran’s government. Working with our international partners, we have cut Iran’s oil sales from 2.5 million barrels per day (bpd) in early 2012 to 1 million bpd today, denying Iran the ability to sell almost 1.5 million bpd. That’s a loss of more than $80 billion since the beginning of 2012 that Iran will never be able to recoup. Under this first step, the EU crude oil ban will remain in effect and Iran will be held to approximately 1 million bpd in sales, resulting in continuing lost sales worth an additional $4 billion per month, every month, going forward.
· Sanctions affecting petroleum product exports to Iran, which result in billions of dollars of lost revenue, will remain in effect.
· The vast majority of Iran’s approximately $100 billion in foreign exchange holdings remain inaccessible or restricted by our sanctions.
· Other significant parts of our sanctions regime remain intact, including:
o Sanctions against the Central Bank of Iran and approximately two dozen other major Iranian banks and financial actors;
o Secondary sanctions, pursuant to the Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act (CISADA) as amended and other laws, on banks that do business with U.S.-designated individuals and entities;
o Sanctions on those who provide a broad range of other financial services to Iran, such as many types of insurance; and,
Restricted access to the U.S. financial system.
· All sanctions on over 600 individuals and entities targeted for supporting Iran’s nuclear or ballistic missile program remain in effect.
· Sanctions on several sectors of Iran’s economy, including shipping and shipbuilding, remain in effect.
· Sanctions on long-term investment in and provision of technical services to Iran’s energy sector remain in effect.
· Sanctions on Iran’s military program remain in effect.
· Broad U.S. restrictions on trade with Iran remain in effect, depriving Iran of access to virtually all dealings with the world’s biggest economy.
· All UN Security Council sanctions remain in effect.
· All of our targeted sanctions related to Iran’s state sponsorship of terrorism, its destabilizing role in the Syrian conflict, and its abysmal human rights record, among other concerns, remain in effect.
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Forgive me if I'm a little less that impressed when Obama say he "fixed" something. Like his idiotic health care plan, this one will boomerang and cut everyone to pieces. He couldn't fix his way out of a wet paper bag. All he can do is lie. And this is a lie. Mark my words.
So is the state of Israhell- God gave me this land, cough.
"Broad U.S. restrictions on trade with Iran remain in effect, depriving Iran of access to virtually all dealings with the world’s biggest economy."
BFD - so commercial Persian Aversion will continue. Except for getting access to some of that gold that's been slipping in via Turkey perhaps?
Look, this is a win-win scenario for everyone involved. I am not deaf, dumb, or blind, and if Iran doesn't make progress then I retain the ability to suspend the Iranian-mandate another year. And, in the end, we can always use our cyber command to take them out once we are finished fixing healthcare.gov.
~The Prez
So what time does Netanyahu attack again?
As soon as he finds some compliant Americans to do it for him.
Does anyone think this is all of the agreement? What they are not saying is that Iran agreed to only sell oil for Dollars( that's my guess)
They made the desert bloom. With the billions we're giving them every year we could make Detroit and Chicago bloom.
In order for Detroit to bloom, you first have to get rid of the people who live there.
The scary thing is they have been leaving for decades, carrying the plague far and wide.
....you first have to get rid of the people who live there.
Just the socialists....granted.....that's pretty much all of them.
I am really having a hard time keeping score here. And who are we supposed to cheer for? Please, is the US the red, blue or green team?
Actually God did promise it to "Israel" the PEOPLE scattered to the ends of the earth to this very day, but it's been hijacked like the rest of the world by pretenders.
From the King James Bible
"Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."
We best pray, as we are really and truely are in this together against these master deceivers. They are the destroyers of Nations.
http://www.ensignmessage.com/archives/israelsave.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNxupz0J95E
The story has not yet been writtten for us.
Remember the wisdom of the King who told his people to fast, and wear the sackcloth in a bed of ashes. It is wise to fear the LORD.
Go figure a book they wrote tell's us that it's promised to them. The irony of that statement.
look at Obama speak, he is a robot alien freak.
(I will leave the rest to the limerick king)
10:30 at night on a random Saturday and he shows up on TV to tell everyone that the world has changed. Right. And the tooth fairy just flew out my ass.
Somewhere, somehow, Putin is laughing his ass off over this.
Our robot alien freak
Has us without paddle up a creek
He can campaign, smile, raise cash
Community organize, golf, host a White House bash
But as a leader he's hopelessly weak
NoDebt
I commend you!
Well, somebody had to go first.
Just more of the same from the Chief islamic, turn an eye, and let them build.Name ONE non Muslim/Islamic nation his policies and attacks have not benifitted.YOU CANNOT,and any POTUS that declares the MOST beautiful sound he has EVER he is the early a.m. call to prayer by Mulims/Islamists should speak volumes.
You know France, England, Russia, et al signed on as well right?
Did you even rtfa?
It's nice to know that the war has been put off until Hillary takes over, but any truly sentient being comprehends that this is simply yet another ploy by this POS 'president' to focus his efforts more squarely on his true agenda, which is the destruction of the U.S.
One thing is absolutely certain; this 'deal' has zero to do with peace and everything to do with obozo and his handlers achieving vile ideological objectives.
"Suspend certain sanctions on gold and precious metals" .....THIS, AND ONLY THIS IS THE REASON FOR ANY FUCKING "AGREEMENT"! GETTING ACCESS TO THAT GOLD IS THE PRIMARY OBJECTIVE. THE REST IS JUST STEAM COMING OFF FRESH HORSESHIT. FUCK YOU JOHN "FUCKING" KERRY.......
WAR! WAR! WAR!
YOU WANT MOAR WOAR? LET ME HEAR YOU SAY IT!
WOAR WOAR WOAR!
PUT ON YOUR WOAR FACE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6vHOR8lzTg
Iran already has some nukes stashed away someplace or they wouldn't be negotiating at all right now.
Yeah that's what crossed my mind; they probably already have enough material to make some bombs. I was reading somewhere Saudi has bought nuclear weapons from Pakistan, now what's stopping Iran doing the same thing.
Iran has only agreed to this because it suits them. Noticed they lifted sanctions on Iran's Gold, yeah that will come in handy won't it.
Ex Soviet mirv 150 MT warheads.Five, or twenty five ,depending
on the translation.One souce says they bought a whole ICBM as well.
Even if that was true -as I've heard speculations and rumors of the same, they wouldnt even need it.
They have Russian and Chinese ballistic missiles both on land, sea and air to compensate when "Obumfuck" and his Israeli handlers decide to bust a move.
Let's see how well Israel and the U.S. do when they decide to throw some tomahawks into Syria?
Putin can't wait!
150 MT warheads? i'd thought the largest ever tested was 80 MT.
Edit: Whitehouse releases Propganda Sheet.
"Israelis, Saudis, and Republicans are already questioning the decision..."
Interesting coalition. Anyone smell money?
"Anyone smell money?"
I didn't know gold had an odor. Fiat on the other hand......
Thus the coalition.
why did you get so many down votes for those comments? and my opinion on it is yes, there is an odor of money. me thinks the real part of this deal was they agree to only sell oil for petrodollars, no oil for gold or oil for euros shenanigans. Kerry probably gave them a little reminder of what we do to people who dont sell their oil for dollars. If this holy leader or whatever he calls himself doesnt wanna dangle from a rope or get a knife up his ass, he better start playing ball, cuz in my opinion all of our middle east adventures revovle around the petrodollar
This just buys time. Apparently not a lot of time, but time nonetheless. Not lost here is that someone shelled (mortars) the Saudi desert for some reason.
Not a lot of mention of Russia/China, the twin 800 pound gorillas in the room. Either the brown clown didn't want to be upstaged or there is even more manuvering than can possibly be imagined.
Trust is earned. Freedom, is about Family!
Trophies are for pussies!
Will somebody please remind me who the last country was that dropped nuclear weapons on another country was? .... Anybody?
We did. We own that. Hopefully we all got it through out thick skulls that's a really bad thing to do and it will never happen again.
Yet somehow, someway, this will increase the chances it will happen again.
It's time we all realized that if Obama is involved, we all LOSE. All of us. He's incompetent. He's naive in world affairs. He's and arrogant ass that's going to get a lot more Americans dead than just the ambassador to Libya.
No, it's our fault. We allow this shit to go on. We are better than this. Personal responsibility, bichez.
And just think where this U.S.A. would be right now if it never experimented on Hiroshima and Nagasaki with those weapons?
Think about the trillions saved in air defense systems and ballistic missiles that may never had been built because our leaders would have been prudent enough not to start an arms race based on the repercussions? We could have set aside that money for space program(s) that could have taken us by now anywhere we wanted to go?
I can't believe you actually got down arrowed for your comment...
This Country really is "schizoid".
Nevertheless to your response "we are or were better than this", but don't be too shocked if we're responsible for using them a third time only this time engaging enemies who will return volley.
England, France, Russia if you count testing nukes by dropping them from planes outside your own country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-29_Superfortress
Enola Gay
Couple hundred K dead that way vs around 3-5 THOUSAND K if we'd had to do it old school. Still all worked up about it? Those two little bombs were a precious gift to Japan, never mind the GIs and a very war weary planet.
...Not to mention the number of dead here if we hadn't developed the bomb first.
Sorry to spoil your cherished narrative, but FDR knew as early as January 1945 that Japan was willing to surrender under terms virtually identical to those agreed to in September 1945.
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html
Yes, the world was war weary, but FDR and Truman were not.
ya i was pretty pissed off when i finally learned the truth about that. How many people, on both sides, died in the 8-9 months we waited to accept the nearly identical terms they orginally. offered. All we had to do was agree not to behead their silly little emporoer and let him stay in his stupid palace, and we could have saved hundreds of thousands of lives. disgusting. and we have only gone down hill since then
The Thetans always drop a piss load of 'em (In memory of Curtis LeMay's birthday) every November 13 into the nearest active volcanoes
In Scientology Land the Fed "audits" you
The Thetans always drop a piss load of 'em (In memory of Curtis LeMay's birthday) every November 13 into the nearest active volcanoes
In Scientology Land the Fed "audits" you
A Muslim will be next. Then a Jew. Then we will finally be free.
ALLAH is pimp. Moses was a bitch. Jesus sucked cock.
Buddha had an eating disorder.
FUCK ALL YOUR GODS.
How many Sunday morning talk shows will John Bolton be on tomorrow, or will he and his clan start tonight?
Fear the 'stache.
I love this part, the University Welfare Allowance:
· Allow $400 million in governmental tuition assistance to be transferred from restricted Iranian funds directly to recognized educational institutions in third countries to defray the tuition costs of Iranian students.
aka - terrorists training camps, bomb making, etc
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Is that what US universities are teaching Iranian students nowadays?
Aha! It's all really about funding for the educo-communist complex here in the West, keeping the education bubble inflated.
Israeli air strike in 3 - 2 - 1 -
Not yet. Goldman Sachs needs a few more days of gold plundering. Maybe closer to Christamas as gold nears $1000. Then BAM!
The easing of sanctions on Iran might actually clear the way for higher gold prices. My thesis is that gold prices have been suppressed specifically to undercut Iran economically, as gold is the way they circumvent current sanctions. Lower gold prices means Iran's currency on the international market is worth less and purchases less than it otherwise would. The easing of sanctions makes the suppression of gold value meaningless.
Meaningless?
They have to ship the Gold out of Iran first.
"... if Iran abides by its commitments under this deal, to the extent permissible within their political systems." (emphasis added)
Lol; that's a good one!
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Considering that the emphasized portion is referring to the P5+1, yeah, that is a good one.
We're suspending sanctions on gold, which is interesting since that's how Iran gets paid for its oil through Turkey. So they'll be selling a lot more oil than even the lightened sanctions provide for. Must be pretty hard for the west to keep all its fingers in all the holes in the dikes.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/23/us-emirates-iran-gold-idUSBRE8...
"The sums involved are enormous. Official Turkish trade data suggests nearly $2 billion worth of gold was sent to Dubai on behalf of Iranian buyers in August. The shipments help Tehran manage its finances in the face of Western financial sanctions."
snip
"Iran sells oil and gas to Turkey, with payments made to state Iranian institutions. U.S. and European banking sanctions ban payments in U.S. dollars or euros so Iran gets paid in Turkish lira. Lira are of limited value for buying goods on international markets but ideal for a gold buying spree in Turkey."
So all that Iranian oil hits a market that is already up to its eyeballs in crude? Deflationary? And this could be a bad idea since it would really hurst Russia and the Saudis.
On second thought maybe its genius. Who can tell?
My understanding is Iranian oil is already in the market, so world production numbers won't be impacted by this. It's just that paying for it takes a circuitous route. Iran has to trade much of it's oil for refined product because they have little refining capability.
John Bolton, on the one hand, and the NYT editorial pages, on the other.
Well let's see which hedge funds and WS banksters shorted oil this last week at its bottom.
desperate search for a legacy. and with this the us will leave the me. wont be called the failure its is, the blue dress media is on it for him, breaking[bad] news
White House> Play-Dough®
http://www.slashgear.com/scientists-create-new-aircraft-engine-hailed-as...
So what starts WW XXX? Joint Israeli-Saudi air attack on Iranian Nuclear sites? Green Arrow
Or China and Japan start shooting each others aircraft down over the Senakus? Red Arrow
Apparently the Iranians have Russian S300 and Chinese HQ9 anti aircraft missiles.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YlfVrTJxbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkAN7iyKdus
Supposedly the S300 is top of the line.
Saudis? LOL! I doubt it. Israel? Israel will be selling nat gas through the Gazprom pipelines. My guess is Vlad told them to be cool. I doubt there will be any attacks. The Saudis wanted the USA to attack Syria and the public said no along with either the Joint Cheifs or the elites aka O's puppet masters. O wanted to attack Syria.
Iran doesn't have the SA-20 (yet).
all of this is a laughable charade - liars and terrorists playing political games
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Well, yes, that's who the Iranians have been forced to negotiate with, but to their credit they were still able to come to an agreement.
Putin and China are driving this wagon. Iran has oil and gas that China wants to buy. Russia wants Syria and Iran left along because they are buffer states and allies.
The USA and UK are a joke now especially the USA. The Germans are friendly with Putin. The USA gave Putin Eastern Europe and the Baltics. The Europeans are looking east in disgust of Choom Wagon Dronie. Gazprom has pipelines to all of western Europe. Putin comes off as serious, intelligent and sensible.
The Saudis and Israel can fume with their ally France. Iran and Hezboolah engages in less terrorism than the House of Saud.
McCain and the RINO-AIPAC wing of the GOP need to stop supporting the Saudis Al Qeada terrorists killing Christians in Syria.
+1 for good points and another +1 for Choom Wagon Dronie.
We interrupt this programming to bring you news from the same team that rolled out Obamacare...Oooooooooooooooook....
This is all bullshit.
Syria didn't work, Iran hasn't worked, they need cover for a USD collapse. They need a BIG war.
Here you go...
http://www.france24.com/en/20131123-china-creates-air-defence-zone-over-...
God, it's so predictable, it's boring!
There is a fly in the ointment I'm certain.
So, what does Iran get out of this?
sell oil to europe
They don't get bombed?
More time and cover and money to get their bombs and delivery systems in shape.
Keep on chuggin' that kool-ade.
6 more months of can kicking and back slapping. And more time to perfection.
BTW Iran has been selling oil to many other countries for years (China? Japan? Asia. India.).
And Iran has been using Gold through Dubai and Turkey for years as/for payments.
So this is all window dressing.
Everything they wanted probably. Sanctions getting lifted is the main deal here, so that scuppered deal on the purchase of the russian missile defence system is back on track. They get to try to get their "frozen" assets back from the various squid finance houses who probably spent it on hookers and blow ages ago, they get to solidify their bilateral and multilateral trade agreements, have import restrictions lifted and have corresponding rise in the standard of living for iranians. Otherwise, nothing has essentially changed for their nuclear research program. They will suspend enrichment for 6 months, but they categorically reserve the right to pursue enrichment technology. Good for them.
We get to stick our nose into their nuclear program, do the whole IAEA inspection thing in full costume drama, keep telling them not to enrich uranium for their power stations, while they insist it it their right to do it, televised with some ominous background music on cnbc. We come back in a few months to find nothing has changed except Kerry now tells the world that Iran continues to enrich their uranium to make their own rods (How dare they!), broke promises they never made, and we get a nice impetus for another attempt at the game of global thermal nuclear war, timed exactly to coincide with Syria's deadline for dismantling their chemical stockpile.
Two things Iran should look up: How long after Libya had its sanctions lifted did it get attacked? How long after Iraq dismantled its WMD program did it get attacked? (Ostensibly for having non-existent WMDs?).
What the MIC wants it eventually gets. The Saudis and the Israelis can sit on their hands for a few months and the whole ball will start rolling their way again. Just as you cannot change a leopard's stripes, you cannot change warmongering megalomaniacal sick fucks. You can bet your arse they will try to start another war, especially with the economy on the verge of hell.
I've trusted you
Six months.....Ummm when are wars fought; in the summer months.
Afraid you're prophecy is probably correct.
Although I am holding out the chance of hope that even these psychopaths understand what the terms and conditions will be for the next engagement they provoke and what it will mean to them both in the 'short' and 'long' term.
No matter how bad they want to continue controlling it after 68 years their will be no winners on that card table after the game gets started.
What we know is that the truth is the last thing they would ever want us to know. Their power comes from control. Control of information and the truth is the most valuable commodity to possess. We sadly only know that we can believe nothing they say. I can't think of anything good ever coming from a treaty. They usually represent a time out for positions to harden and regroup the force required to pursue their agenda, while giving leadership the opportunity to look like the peacemaker.
Oldwood, respectfully. Have a talk with Rand before he goes nuts again. Alaska is for special people.
I think I have a man-crush on you, Oldwood. Assuming you're a man. If not.... maybe we could get together for coffee or something sometime?
You're exactly right.
No Debt? if yer gay its's ok. You're comments are odd!
Just be honest so everyone can move forward?
Personally I like girls, and wish I was gay.
Truth Bitchez!
Sorry, but definitely an old man training (or being trained) the third wife of twenty years. I have moments of clarity in a life of complete confusion. The older we get the more we realize we don't know, but we do know bullshit when we see it.
Hudna is the Arabic term for this kind of treaty
Abrogation is a part of the Muslim operational handbook, but the rest of the world has fully embraced its principles.
Oldwood : my thoughts exactly. The players are up to something. I sense bad things on the horizon. I suspect the upper crust is setting the stage for the attack. If Iran does not follow to the letter of the agreement, or can be shown to be violating it, then it gives a green light to do the unthinkable.
Iran is probably stalling. The west is giving just enough rope to hang them selves therefor justifying the means to the end. Just some thoughts
Meanwhile, we're looking over here (Iran), and we need to look over there (China). China has made a move that definitely escalates things in the Pacific.
Maya Angelou once said, "When someone shows you who they are, believe them."
We (the US) have shown the world who we are (i.e., Syria), and the world now believes us. Hence, the Iran and China stories. Not good.
We are ruled by "performers" that seek to manipulate our perceptions with the aid of their handlers and the media.
Yeah......... Why six months? The bastards are up to something!
Chakka Caca Obongo transforming America... and Shia islam too! Did he spring whole from Beelzebub's arsehole?!? Or is that the lingering scent or reggie's love?
The money power is shifting East.
Israel, Saud and any of their lapdog Western political pals are so very last century. More fool them for thinking they were anything other than pawns in the global chess game. Squeal as much as they like. No one cares to fight their battles for them anymore. Too costly. Too tiresome.
Ladies and gents - the power is shift east. I suggest you listen to some of Dr. Jim Willie's recordings on his golden jackass web site including interviews with Greg Hunter.
Putin is in the driver seat. He is friendly with Germany, working with the Chinese, India, Brazil and others while protecting Syria and Iran.
Yup - if the Saudis and Israel want to start more wars - let them go fight them.
Putin is NOT in the driver seatr... Germany is the economic powerhouse in the region...Russia is a shadow of its former self with the rest of Eastern Europe and the other breakaway rebublics alligned AGAINST their former slave masters.
Your assertion is just MSM crap trying to revive the oh so profitable Cold War against Communism.
Then by all means bust a move!
If what you're saying is true Syria should be a cake walk!? Haven't seen that action come to fruition yet...
Why not?
Bullish Gold !!
Look at Bitcoins, Gold will fly.
This agreement has the advantage of defraying a unilateral attack by Israel. And Iran has Putin to thank for that because it is Putin who has established a new standard in the Middle East – a standard reflecting the area’s uncompromising value to Russian and Chinese interests.
Once Obama lost the Syrian contest with Putin, the entire region came under Putin’s influence. And Putin stands the ground for the whole mass of Eurasia.
This agreement, of course, is heavily weighted to make it look like the US has gained substantial advantage over Iran. But that’s only propaganda to satisfy the Israeli boosters in Congress.
As Israel Shamir says: “The good news. American hegemony is over. The bully has been subdued.”
Shamir points out in Peace Breaks Out in Syria, “In a way, the Russians have restored the Law of Nations to its old revered place. The world has become a better and safer place.”
Russia’s rebellion against US hegemony came to a head after the Libyan tragedy and after Americans “activated the full spectre of their agents” in Russia to get Snowden back, says Shamir, who was reporting from Moscow during the Syrian crisis.
As for Libya, writes Shamir, “That unhappy country was bombed by NATO, and eventually disintegrated. From the most prosperous African state it was converted into most miserable. Russian presence in Libya was rather limited, but still, Russia lost some investment there.”
The Russians’ miraculous win in the mighty tug-of-war against the steely will of the US, among other things, blocked a subsequent Israeli-American attack on Iran had Syria been destroyed as Libya was, according to Shamir, who once wrote for the Israeli daily newspaper Haaretz.
“The alternative was dire…Oriental Christianity would lose its cradle; Europe would be flooded by millions of refugees, Russia would be proven irrelevant…left with a ‘moral victory,’ which is a euphemism for defeat. Everything Putin has worked for in 13 years at the helm would’ve been lost; Russia would be back to where it was in 1999, when Clinton bombed Belgrade,” a time when Russia was very weak.
Writes Shamir in Culture Wars:
“In the aftermath of the Syrian stand-off, Obama appealed to the people of the world in the name of American exceptionalism. The United States’ policy is ‘what makes America different. It’s what makes us exceptional,’ he said. Putin responded: ‘It is extremely dangerous to encourage people to see themselves as exceptional. We are all different, but when we ask for the Lord’s blessing, we must not forget that God created us equal.’
“This was not only an ideological, but theological contradistinction.”
Concludes Shamir: “The behemoth might of the US military can still wreak havoc; a wounded bear is the most dangerous one. Americans may listen to Ron Paul, who called to give up overseas bases and cut military expenditures…
“People of the world will like America again when it will cease snooping and bullying. It isn’t easy, but we’ve already negotiated the Cape and gained Good Hope.
Rock on J.R.
I'm catching some political FLAC! I'm still kicking ass J.R.
No FLAC, no headway, Yen. Keep kicking!
“People of the world will like America again when it will cease snooping and bullying. It isn’t easy, but we’ve already negotiated the Cape and gained Good Hope."...
Only time will dictate that sentence and unfortunately the damage we have done around the globe for so very long both (monetary and military) will take years to repair.
I as well think we have to gives some of the credit to Putin. If he hadn't called Netanyahu to Russia and read him 'the riot act,' the Nut would still be bribing Congress to force Obama into another fruitless war.
There is Peace on the horizon once they can muzzle the warmongers.
and we are going to build a website to keep track of Iran's progress !!
/ ruh roh...
Good luck HULK! Build away!
I just puked over this,
Well well well.... I go to a wedding on a now chilly Saturday night and come home to learn we now have whirled peas. The prez has made a speech, played pocket pool on tv and a new era of global cooperation has begun..
I expect global conflagration and a hangover by the time I wake up tomorrow...
Good night!
Netanyahu gonna do it on his own. U.S. will end up bombing Israel for the good of "something". U.S. enemies will get blow-jobs from Kerry, but U.S. allies will get fucked in the ass again.
And SOOO? Do we stick together?
A slug is for ?
Hmm....did someone play the Knockout game at the P5+1 ?
Lots of prepping. It's NOT Zombies. Show some compassion !
YHC-FTSE
I spotted yoU KNORK'ness from day(1) The language doesn't allow a (G)
Goog Night/ your time!
My guess is bipolar disorder. You do this fucking thing every few months. By the number of posts this evening, you're in the manic stage. Mate, get some help.
A large pivot.
Does The U.S. Want Iran
To Trade In Dollars?
http://seekingalpha.com/article/348261-iran-the-dollar-and-financial-war...
Privatization of monetary
policy by big banks knows
no favorites?
If it doesn't support privatization
of banking, then Washington will
have alienated everyone but the
neighbor's cat for naught.
Any sensible person would say
just support democratic processes,
some core ideals, and:
Certain European Nations
Have Virtually No Homeless People.
This Fact In Housing Parallels
Comparisons In Health And Education.
Considering The $US Trillions
Lost To Dubious Purposes, Not
By The Homeless, The Vulnerable
Or The Falsely Blamed, The U.S.
Public, When Not Deceived By
Puppets, And With Uncorrupted
Economics And Legitimate Equality
Of Opportunity, Can Easily Rejoin
Those Peoples In The Common
Goal Of Seeking A Happy
Human Condition.
Leave inoperable roughly half of installed centrifuges at Natanz and three-quarters of installed centrifuges at Fordow, so they cannot be used to enrich uranium.
LOL.
All this is is a piece of paper for them to poop on.
The rest of this on all sides is kabuki theater.
they believe it is simple to fool most of the people most of the time
or so i heard
We've become our enemy.
I say let em have nukes. With the US droning the shit out of Pakistan...and they have nukes,.what the hell, the more the merrier. The US has gone rogue so fuck it. Pretty soon tech will allow weapons powerful enough to vaporize existence within 30 light years. They will be able to be made by most any urbanite out of commonly available products. Its what being human is all about.
Now that we are approaching the singularity and the next phase in God's evolution, including types of experiential realities that will be associated with it, life coincidentally shall require the sacrifice of primitive instinctual drives such as greed and power to succumb to the intellect, or, forfeit the approach to the creation of the singularity by destroying all human life. Existence shall not be defiled.
Bet you didn't know that M'Fers.
I guess Obama's speech will be similar to Neville Chaimberlain's "Peace in our Time" speech in 1938:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FO725Hbzfls
Of course we all know what happened next, and I guess that that's Obama's Puppetmaster's long term goal: a big massive world war to wipe the debt slate clean again.
Just look the other way while a country arms itself to the teeth, threatening it's neighbours, now THAT'S change we can believe in...
"Just look the other way while a country arms itself to the teeth, threatening it's neighbours, now THAT'S change we can believe in..."
Exactly.
ISRAEL MUST BE STOPPED!
Well, so far since it's foundation in 1948 we have not seen any Israeli retoric of threatening to "wipe Iran off the map," and the wars of 1967 and 1973 were not initiated by Israel.
I'm neither Israeli nor Jewish, but apart from some relatively small pre-emptive strikes, Israel has only used it's military power to defend itself, so I will definitely give Israel the benefit of the doubt.
If you want to be in Iran's/Syria's/Al Qaida's/Hezbollah's/Muslim Brotherhood's/Arab camp (just like Mr Preeee-zooo-dent) then be my guest, but don't be surprised if one day it will massively blow up in your face.
I'm affraid that history will show that turning a blind eye while a religious nutcase regime develops a nuclear bomb will have turned out to be a mistake of a monumental kind, just like the way that the League of Nations turned a blind eye while Germany re-armed itself in the 1930's.
But hey, all that future destruction must be great for the (military) Keynesians among us!
Well we do kind of have a problem with blaming those we see as winners, for surely they must have cheated, right? And God knows that anyone who pursues their own interests are nationalist devils. The problem is one of power and profit as too many are looking for leverage in every circumstance. Every nation, religion and race, and yes even sex, is looking for advantage from every conflict, and those people are being used to enable the real villians who seek only power and profit regardless of who it hurts. The devil lives amongst all of us and will seek to pit one against another for his gain.
If Iran were a democratic society or even a benevolent dictatorship, maybe we could give it some respect in terms of seeking its own place in the world. Instead, Iran is headed by muslim hatemongers intemt on forcing the world back into their idealistic 8th century shithole or simply kill the infidels and repopulate at will. If you don't see Iran as a grave threat, you are blind.
Spoken like an AynRandFan!...
Is that you A.G.?
Was never said.When MOSSAD translated it ,thats what it became.
The actual comment was;
"The REGIME is Jerusalem will fade from the pages of hustory".
Somewhat different don't you think ?
Use google translate for yourself if you don't speak Farsi.
To categorize the State of Israel as defensive and not offensive is to misunderstand the history of Zionism.
Balfour’s letter to Lord Rothschild explaining the Balfour Declaration referred to the principle “that Palestine should be reconstituted as the national home of the Jewish people.” But many British officials were mortified that an existing Palestine and its Arab population would be moved aside to make way for the Jewish homeland and almost all of them, including Winston Churchill, shied away from using the word Jewish state, preferring instead Jewish "homeland.”
The original letter to Rothschild (above) was then changed in the final text to move the word “that” out and put in the word “in,” signifying that the Jewish homeland would be in Palestine and not replace Palestine.
Even the original details of the agreement reflected Balfour’s guarantee, as explained in his altered letter to Rothschild: “His Majesty’s government view with favor the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people…it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine…”
From that moment, the wheels moved for a Jewish state, for pushing out with Zionist support coming in from around the world, for military and geographic expansion, for war and threats of war, for the beginning of a conflict so critical that major nations of the world would become embroiled in the Zionist quest for a “greater Israel.”
And, finally, to suggest that the expansion of the settlements (opposed by almost all nations of the world), that the aggressive development of nuclear weapons, that the expansion of one of the most advanced and ferocious intelligence services in the world (with continued assassinations of opposing political leaders in many countries including Iran), is somehow defensive is a modern-day joke.
It is Putin who speaks truth.
Israel Shamir's report on Putin’s reply to the BBC’s Bridget Kendall at Valdai when she asked “did the threat of US military strikes actually play a rather useful role in Syria’s agreeing to have its weapons placed under control?” is indicative of that “truth”:
Putin replied: “Syria got itself chemical weapons as an alternative to Israel’s nuclear arsenal.”
Wrote Shamir: He called for the disarmament of Israel and invoked the name of Mordecai Vanunu as an example of an Israeli scientist who opposes nuclear weapons.
"I'm affraid that history will show that turning a blind eye while a religious nutcase regime develops a nuclear bomb will have turned out to be a mistake of a monumental kind"
Another choice quote... step up Israel, the religious, racist, nutcase regime allowed to develop the bomb. You know what this means? It means you are a hypocrite of the worst kind. We need international norms of behaviour, not hegemony and hypocrisy and that's why an NNPT signatory should be allowed to proceed, regardless of what hypocrites say and do.
And as for wiping Israel off the map, that is something of a cannard now and you probably know that already, but it suits zionists to repeat it over and over. The simple fact it that Israel wants the whole region in disarray so as to lord over it. They'd have happily wiped Lebanon off the map ages ago if they didn't get a bloody nose from the indigenous resistance. Better finish that wall off pronto... although fixed fortifications have a poor history... all of them have sooner or later "disappeared from the page of history", which I think is the quote you were looking for :-)
Mr Big #1: We must time this correctly.
Mr Big #2: The Crash has to coincide with the Iranian Nuke.
set aborad a tanker and shoved up a port in the northeast
...President Obama has been clear that achieving a peaceful resolution that prevents Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon is in America’s national security interest. Today, the P5+1 and Iran reached a set of initial understandings that halts the progress of Iran's nuclear program and rolls it back in key respects...
THe key phrase. Obama affirms America' role as militarist Hegemon imposing its dictat on Iran in a domain where its still a pygmy and the US and Russia are giants with overkill.
How long will this situation still be the ruling "looney tunes" in the current time line of events is the question that comes to mind...
Ten years from now will the US still be economically in a position to play hegemon in the ME as in South east Asia?
Hegemonial plays and swan songs. WHo made Swan lake into a great ballet?
It was a Russian called Tchaikovsky...
I'll have my tchai (tea party mush) now please!
Come on guys have we forgotten the lessons of 9/11?
Oh my bad... there's no dancing Israelis this time!
When I think of all the duct tape that was wasted to seal up doors and windows during the Bush crazy days, I think of how useful it would be to make the Nut'n'Yahoo close his big fat mouth.
All I can say about this agreement is that I bought BNO calls on Friday in anticipation of this thing getting the go code this weekend.
Fact sheet?
Really?
If it came from the White House, it's riddled with bullshit.
Bull sheet?
I can't believe these fucking Zionist bastards complaining again. Whinge whinge whinge
here they are with their own stockpile that no one has ever inspected or counted and yet the Jews they have the hide to complain to representatives of the international community who have spent many days negotiating a deal that it is still not good enough for them
Enough is enough.
Just tell the Jews we will show you ours if you show us yours
unbelievable!
Its hard to know who is your enemy or friend until you look into their eyes as they point the barrel of their gun at your head. Alliances are fleeting and deliberately unsure. Above all else, it will be interesting. When fenced by crazy ideologies that are willing to use violence to achieve their goals, those who only seek to profit from the mayhem will continue to stir the pot.
We have switched sides in the middle of the game. We are on the wrong side
It took them 1 year of secret talks to get a 6 month deal. They should work for the BLS.
Iran Nuclear Deal Fact Sheet: Suspend Certain Sanctions On Gold And Precious Metals
ZeroHedge reports Iran Deal Fact Sheet and among other provisions certain sanctions on gold and precious metals will be suspended. Will it bring more stability to the region and provide less excuses to stimulate the economy starting another war? Is this the turning point for the infamous "plan to liberate" seven countries in the Middle East? It all remains to be seen, including reactions from Israel and Saudi Arabia. Now all recent announcements from China: PBOC Says No Longer in China's Interest to Increase Reserves. - can be taken in the new light? Are US Treasury holders already using their economic power in the Financial War following after The Currency Wars? We will be monitoring the implications for the Gold market next week following this development and after the groundbreaking announcements from China. Jim Rickards was twitting about his take on this deal: Peter Schiff: On Taper, China's Bombshell Announcements For Treasuries, Dollar And Gold GLD, MUX, TNR.v, GDX
"Peter Schiff talks about the bombshell of the year - China has announced the Mother Of All Tapering - PBOC Says No Longer in China's Interest to Increase Reserves. China is ready to reduce its balance sheet and they do not have to sell any US Treasuries - during the operation Twist they have used the golden opportunity and rolled over the long term treasuries into the shorter maturities. China can just allow US to repay maturing US Treasuries. We do not think here that they will accept Bitcoin. They have made this announcement after the record buying of Gold and some people are estimating that official Gold reserves are much higher than officially recognised today."
At least we know whatever Bath House says, the exact opposite will be the Truth.