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A Confused World Reacts To The Iran Nuclear Deal

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The following statement was made by British Prime Minister, Neville Chamberlain, on September 30, 1938 in front of #10 Downing Street, London, after his arrival home from the notorious Munich Conference of 1938.

We, the German Fuhrer and Chancellor, and the British Prime Minister, have had a further meeting today and are agreed in recognizing that the question of Anglo-German relations is of the first importance for our two countries and for Europe.


We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.


We are resolved that the method of consultation shall be the method adopted to deal with any other questions that may concern our two countries, and we are determined to continue our efforts to remove possible sources of difference, and thus to contribute to assure the peace of Europe.


My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honor. I believe it is "peace for our time." Go home and get a nice quiet sleep

75 years later, last night appeasement came to Iran:

(L to R) British foreign secretary, German foreign minister, EU foreign policy chief, Iran’s foreign minister, Chinese foreign minister, US secretary of state and Russian and French foreign ministers in Geneva on November 24, 2013.

It remains to be seen if appeasing Iran will lead to yet another anschluss or worse, but for now one thing is certain: nobody really knows what to make of last night's historic nuclear "deal" with Iran. Because when even the two main participants are unable to agree on what was decided...

... how is everyone else expected to fare any better?

In any case, here is a sampling of the immediate reactions, most of which were as expected. First, Israel:

  • Israel Foreign Minister Lieberman: Iran's greatest diplomatic victory since the Islamic revolution

Which is a good thing right? Wrong:

"What was concluded in Geneva last night is not a historic agreement, it's a historic mistake," Netanyahu said. "It's not made the world a safer place. Like the agreement with North Korea in 2005, this agreement has made the world a much more dangerous place."

Not surprisingly, Israel hates any deal that diffuses tension in the region and lowers the probability of war. Iran, on the other hand was giddy:

Hassan Rouhani hails nuclear deal as turning point for Iran


A smiling Hassan Rouhani stepped on to the spiral staircase of the presidential palace to announce to an anxious nation the first nuclear deal reached with world powers in a decade – a major achievement which capped his first 100 days in office.

Departing from the austere conference hall press events of his predecessors, and opting instead for a White House Rose Garden-style appearance, he declared that the Islamic Republic had won global powers’ recognition of Iran’s right to enrich uranium.


Billing it as a turning point for Iran – both internationally and at home – the centrist president elected on the hope of ending Iran’s isolation and fixing a collapsing economy made the most of the little sanctions relief offered by the Geneva agreement. Putting his own spin on the deal – and along the way directly contradicting American officials’ assertions – Mr Rouhani said the sanctions regime “had been broken” by the agreement, “whether others like it or not”. With the passage of time, he predicted, the cracks “will widen.”


In another sign of his media savvy as president, Mr Rouhani produced relatives and children of four scientists killed since 2010, part of a covert war against the nuclear programme. Each family was presented with a roll of honour.


Mr Rouhani reserved some of his final words for the supreme leader, declaring his appreciation for the Ayatollah’s guidance and stressing that negotiators had worked within these guidelines.

A delighted Rouhani promptly took to twitter:

Also not surprising is that unlike last time when the deal was scuttled in the last minute due to a block by France, this time Obama made a few phone calls to his socialist peer:

  • French President Francois Hollande “welcomes the conclusion of the Geneva negotiations on Iran’s nuclear program” in e-mailed statement by his office today.
    "The accord that was reached respects the demands imposed by France on the issues of uranium storage and enrichment, suspension of new facilities, and international control"
  • Agreement “constitutes a step toward the ending of Iran’s nuclear military program, and therefore toward the normalization of our relations with Iran”
  • "France will continue to work to reach a final agreement on this issue. The intermediate accord reached last night represents an  important step in the right direction”: Hollande

The other negotiating parties hailed the deal. From Iran's PressTV:

China, Germany and Russia have hailed the deal between Iran and the Sextet over Tehran’s nuclear energy program.


After more than four days of intense negotiations, Iran and the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council plus Germany sealed an interim deal in Geneva on Sunday morning to pave the way for the full resolution of the West’s decade-old dispute with Iran over its nuclear energy program.


According to the Iranian Foreign Ministry, the deal allows Iran to continue its activities at Arak, Fordow and Natanz facilities. The agreement also stipulates that no additional sanctions will be imposed on Tehran because of its nuclear energy program.


China on Sunday welcomed the deal, saying the agreement with Tehran would "help safeguard peace and stability in the Middle East".


German Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle also hailed the agreement and said the nuclear deal marks “a turning point.”


Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov also praised the deal and stressed it would benefit all sides. "Nobody lost, everyone ends up winning," he said.

Kerry's own spin may not have actually mentioned "peace in our time" just yet, but it was vigorous regardless:

  • “We believe very strongly that because the Iranian nuclear program is actually set backwards and is actually locked into place in critical places, that that is better for Israel than if you were just continuing to go down the road and they rush towards a nuclear weapon”
  • “The basic architecture of the sanctions is staying in place. There is very little relief. We are convinced over the next few months, we will really be able to put to the test what Iran's intentions are,” Kerry told CNN chief political correspondent Candy Crowley.
  • “When you're dealing with nuclear weapons, it's not an issue of trust,” Kerry said. “Verification is the key.”

And the punchline:

  • Kerry: If Iran's nuclear program is really only for peaceful purposes, then "prove it"

Just how does one prove they are not doing something they are not doing? Anyway, all of this is merely more theatrics. As the AP reports, the deal was prepared secretly months in advance following secret talks between the US and Iran:

The United States and Iran secretly engaged in a series of high-level, face-to-face talks over the past year, in a high-stakes diplomatic gamble by the Obama administration that paved the way for the historic deal sealed early Sunday in Geneva aimed at slowing Tehran's nuclear program, The Associated Press has learned.


The discussions were kept hidden even from America's closest friends, including its negotiating partners and Israel, until two months ago, and that may explain how the nuclear accord appeared to come together so quickly after years of stalemate and fierce hostility between Iran and the West.


But the secrecy of the talks may also explain some of the tensions between the U.S. and France, which earlier this month balked at a proposed deal, and with Israel, which is furious about the agreement and has angrily denounced the diplomatic outreach to Tehran.


The talks were held in the Middle Eastern nation of Oman and elsewhere with only a tight circle of people in the know, the AP learned. Since March, Deputy Secretary of State William Burns and Jake Sullivan, Vice President Joe Biden's top foreign policy adviser, have met at least five times with Iranian officials.


The last four clandestine meetings, held since Iran's reform-minded President Hassan Rouhani was inaugurated in August, produced much of the agreement later formally hammered out in negotiations in Geneva among the United States, Britain, France, Russia, China, Germany and Iran, said three senior administration officials. All spoke only on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss by name the highly sensitive diplomatic effort.


The AP was tipped to the first U.S.-Iranian meeting in March shortly after it occurred, but the White House and State Department disputed elements of the account and the AP could not confirm the meeting. The AP learned of further indications of secret diplomacy in the fall and pressed the White House and other officials further. As the Geneva talks appeared to be reaching their conclusion, senior administration officials confirmed to the AP the details of the extensive outreach.

Politics aside, Bloomberg reports on the actual elements of the deal:

Iran will get as much as $7 billion in relief from economic sanctions over six months under the first-step agreement reached today in Geneva, the Obama administration said.


In return for Iran limiting its nuclear program, the interim agreement provides for the release of $4.2 billion in frozen oil assets and will let Iran continue exporting oil at current levels, rather than forcing continued reductions by buyers, as would be required under current law, according to a White House statement.


The accord also will “suspend certain sanctions on gold and precious metals, Iran’s auto sector and Iran’s petrochemical exports, potentially providing Iran approximately $1.5 billion in revenue,” the administration said.


Israeli officials and some U.S. lawmakers have said sanctions should be tightened, not eased, to keep pressure on Iran. Rejecting those pleas, the U.S. and the five other countries negotiating with Iran have agreed to “not impose new nuclear-related sanctions for six months if Iran abides by its commitments under this deal, to the extent permissible within their political systems,” according to the White House statement.


The no-new-sanctions pledge will be tested when the U.S. Senate returns for legislative business on Dec. 9 after a Thanksgiving break. A group of 14 senators from both parties issued a statement last week pledging to “pass bipartisan Iran sanctions legislation as soon as possible.”


Critics of an interim accord in Congress and in Israel have predicted Iran would reap $20 billion or more in relief. U.S. officials have rejected such estimates and have said the accord won’t lift the most punishing sanctions -- those on oil sales and banking. The Obama administration estimated in its statement that Iran will continue to lose $4 billion a month in crude it otherwise would have exported.

Finally, while the cynics may say this was merely yet another attempt to redirect attention from the Obamacare debacle especially since Iran's nuclear power plants have been controlled by US-Israel made computer virus Stuxnet for years, we will one-up their cynicism and this was all merely an advertising photo op for Nike:


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Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:20 | 4185372 fonzannoon
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Look at that guy in the picture. He looks like an alien trying to look human.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:26 | 4185400 Bearhug Bernanke
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Don't spill water on him!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:37 | 4185420 Rainman
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:46 | 4185471 TBT or not TBT
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If only she was Persian rather than the child of American communists. Most Iranians understand who the mullahs are and what they do.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:49 | 4185480 CheapBastard
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Everyone has a stake in this.

The Chinese want to buy the Iranian houses...the US wants Iranian oil...Israel wants peace.....

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:56 | 4185491 TBT or not TBT
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I'd like to visit Persepolis and much else there. Iran isn't an Arab shithole. It's a great culture under an awful dictatorship

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:04 | 4185505 tsx500
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If you like your centrifuges , you can keep your centrifuges. Period.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:17 | 4185539 SWRichmond
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For their next trick, Iran will now sell oil to China priced in Yuan.


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:30 | 4185568 Occident Mortal
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US is pursuing a slash and burn policy as they pull out of MENA on the basis that domestic shale is enough.

The margin between WTI and Brent is evidence of this, and US foreign policy is to increase this margin.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:02 | 4185650 smlbizman
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its like looking into the starting gate at belmont.....

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:15 | 4185677 So What
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Am I the only confused about how ZH is opening this news?
WHy does ZH open this news with quote from Chamberlain and compare it to appeasement of Germany? Is ZH now a zionist site?

Iran should never give up its nuclear option. Without it, it's dead, like Iraq, Libya, Syria. Unlike North Korea. The lesson is clear.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:22 | 4185691 chumbawamba
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It's only to appease the zionist readership.  If you actually read the rest of the article it's quite clear what this deal really means: the US is now the satrap of other global powers.

I am Chumbawamba.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:09 | 4185724 DoChenRollingBearing
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Actually, Chumba, it is all the fault of Queen Elizabeth II.  I thought this was well known.  It is the Old Royalty that has all the money.

He is, really he is, Chumbawamba.  And don't you forget it.



Here's an interesting comment with link just put up by "TPTB_r_TBTF" re Queen Elizabeth II:

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:54 | 4185860 BigJim
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Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:13 | 4185899 quintago
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Oh how the French have come around. My favorite pic of Iranian FM with France's.... somebody got a good deal.



Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:03 | 4186012 So What
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Ok so it's true that ZH is now a propaganda site for zionism. and Tyler- whoever they are- is zionist stooge.

There has been rumor but this really confirms it. No denying it now.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:41 | 4186353 Ralph Spoilsport
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It's a rumor your membership will be deleted before you have 11 weeks.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:27 | 4185704 Trampy
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Yes, Iran should not surrender its right to develop nuclear technology which might eventually be the starting point for a weapons program to counter the rogue nuclear-armed warmongering zionist regime which, alied with the U.S. and U.K., comprise the true Axis of Evil in today's world.

Enriching natural uranium to 20% U-235 in no way means they are pursuing a weapons program; 20% is needed for efficient production of medical isotopes and 20% is also needed to run a test reactor worthy of that appellation.  I know this first-hand.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:55 | 4185866 BigJim
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 It remains to be seen if appeasing Iran will lead to yet another anschluss or worse,..

LOL.. 'Tyler's' a bit confused on this one... the only country doing the appeasing here is Iran.

So, will be be seeing a bunch of hasbara-toned posts from ZH going forward? Inquiring readers want to know.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:16 | 4185902 disabledvet
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as i recall it is Iraq that attacked Iran first but i could be mistaken. Comparing the Moohlah's in Iran to Hitler is beyond ridiculous. They do have American blood on their hands of course...and had no problem allowing the Bin Laden clan refuge. Not sure about the Taliban of course. "moving on" from all this is not going to be easy. the term "diplomacy" is rarely synonymous with victory...although the USA would never have been the country it is today without victorious diplomacy. all i have to say to whoever wrote this article is "you want this pay for it."

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:34 | 4186223 TheFourthStooge-ing
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diabledvet said:

as i recall it is Iraq that attacked Iran first but i could be mistaken.

That is correct, it was Iraq that attacked Iran.

They do have American blood on their hands of course...

Please explain.

and had no problem allowing the Bin Laden clan refuge.

One wife and six children, living under house arrest, according to an unsourced story in the CS Monitor from 2009. They offered them to the US, who turned them down.

Not sure about the Taliban of course. "moving on" from all this is not going to be easy.

There's certainly a lot to atone for.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:35 | 4185583 boogerbently
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NOTHING will improve around the world until democrats, HERE, recognize Obama for the radical, black muslim that he is. 

Their "head in the sand" technique will only work so long.

How many democrats have exponentially higher insurance premiums and deductibles, or were cancelled outright, because of obamacare?

The democratic party can not be carried by the votes of illegals, ghetto dwellers and dead people, alone.



Save your "red is blue", "our vote doesn't matter" crap comments.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:05 | 4185656 DoChenRollingBearing
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+1, agreed re yr BTW.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:23 | 4185794 john39
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Obama... saving muslims by (drum roll... ) killing them everywhere?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:58 | 4185872 BigJim
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Yes, Obama is a 'Muslim' the way Stalin was a Catholic.

Though, to be fair, as Muhammed (May Peace Be Upon Him!) was a general, he's not quite in the same 'turn the other cheek' league as good ol' Jeebus.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:27 | 4185932 0b1knob
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Hitler was a Catholic.   He was also a vegetarian.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:08 | 4186027 Kirk2NCC1701
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Maybe if he ate 'cat' (wink, wink) more often...

Seriously, though, that fucked killed more Catholics than Jews. Which why it's a miracle that European Catholics are still Catholic. Fucking sheep.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:28 | 4185936 Oldwood
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Muslims, Jews or even Christians have seldom hesitated in the wholesale murder of their own people when it advanced their agenda. Do you think that just becasue Obama is a self described black that he has advanced the cause of any but a very few blacks since his presidency. We can't judge any of these players on what they say or even who they say they are. If we could accurately predict any of this there wouldn't be much of a conversation at all. We just know it will end badly and any trust in the assholes running this shit will only accelerate it. They seem to live for our delusional approval.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:56 | 4185635 Montezuma
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Well.. they had elected socialist leader and Islam wasnt that big deal, it was the main religion but they were more secular... then some idiots wanted to play spy games and do some overthrowing.



Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:15 | 4186184 fockewulf190
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Everytime is see John Kerry, Herman Munster pops up in my mind.  Sorry Herman.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:01 | 4185648 t0mmyBerg
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but isnt it an awful arab dictatorship?  I dont think the mullahs are native persians, or are they?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:56 | 4185493 walküre
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Israel wants peace? Only in a world (order) that they dominate. If they want peace, why do they contiously piss everyone off? Israel is a small IRRELEVANT rubble of dirt on the Eastern Med. Just like many other IRRLEVANT rubbles of dirt on this planet. Fairy tales aside, it makes no difference if we're talking Tel Aviv or Damascus.

Good deal for Iran. Let business resume its course. Iran has some great stories of its own.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:02 | 4185500 RSloane
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Congratulations Iran on overcoming the absolute criminal sanctions against you by the US and pursuing your own energy interests. I also thank Russia and Germany for contributing so much to the language of this agreement. Kerry and Obama came in after much of the work was done, but according to the US MSM its their work.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:30 | 4185944 Oldwood
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I know I feel like a "winner". Maybe Obama will give us all one month free of Obamacare in celebration.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:17 | 4186055 supermaxedout
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I was wondering the whole time why in hell Germanys Foreign Minister Westerwelle  is taking part in the conference. 

My explantion is like this: Guido Westerwelle was not participating for Germany (which is still occupied by US troops) but in the interest of all other Euroland countries including Germany of course.   But not in trhe interest of France  which started under Sarkozy and Hollande new colonial wars, something completely not agreed upon by the rest of Euroland with Germany at the front.

US, UK, France did have a complete different political agenda as Euroland minus France. Westerwelle was at the table representing the interests of Germany, Italy, Poland etc. since the official EU representative Ms. Ashton (which was also participating in Geneva I believe) is getting its orders from US/UK Nato in Brussels.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:22 | 4185690 Ignatius
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Wake up!  Persia is on the move, man,  and they want their rugs back.


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:00 | 4185876 BigJim
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I, for one, welcome our new Iranian overlords!

I mean, they've got, like 5000 Nuclear weapons and 14 aircraft carriers, right, so it's only a matter of time.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:41 | 4185963 it aint easy
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Nah, if anything comes from all this it'll be a Mossad false flag op.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:02 | 4186268 Ignatius
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I don't want to imagine living in a world without Persian rugs.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:33 | 4185720 Canadian Dirtlump
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yep, the israeli regime and saudi arabian regime are the 2 most dangerous in the world. they exist but for the protection they are granted through guilt or payment, and whine about existential threats against them while featuring overt terror, racism as mainstays of both d9mestic and foreign policy.


my fear here is this is binyamin milikowski aka netanyahu's green light to start w3.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:34 | 4185950 Wahooo
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What does Hitler have to say about it?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:16 | 4186051 SamAdams1234
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Did Isreal agree to join the Nuclear non-proliferation pact? Did Isreal agree to disclose its nuclear bomb holdings?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:16 | 4186052 SamAdams1234
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Did Isreal agree to join the Nuclear non-proliferation pact? Did Isreal agree to disclose its nuclear bomb holdings?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:57 | 4186854 Chuck Walla
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And Braack will sell out anyone to get a photo pop. Or whatever else he wants...


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:59 | 4185874 Freddie
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If you want your nuclear weapons, you can keep your nuclear weapons.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:06 | 4186016 ZH Snob
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this agreement will not bring peace.  indeed, it will exacerbate the march to war.  call me a cynic, but I sincerely question the true motivations of this administration for their apparent conciliations.  they must know the Israel's back is now against the wall. 

could this be a wink-wink for everyone to get the war they've always wanted?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:01 | 4185498 Son of Captain Nemo
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Is that Michelle or Secretary Kerry under the desk in that last photo of the President?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:27 | 4185558 mofreedom
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Jeans and tennis shoess in the oval office?  What's next oral sex?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:40 | 4185593 Son of Captain Nemo
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Did you notice the B&W of Kerry.  He looks like he's been in a prize fight his eyes have "bruising" around them.

Was it the result of a three way with Obama and B.B. in coming to an agreement on the treaty?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:21 | 4185373 AgileArjuna
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Ghost written by Curtis LeMay?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:23 | 4185549 Son of Captain Nemo
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Couldn't have said it any better. 

Just waiting for the thaw of winter to commence.

LeMay, Johnson and Nixon live!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 19:22 | 4186445 logicalman
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Good old Curtis, a really nice friendly fellow! Loved his fellow man.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:21 | 4185377 MythicalFish
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"England has been offered a choice between war and shame. She has chosen shame, and will get war."

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:28 | 4185404 TrulyStupid
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You may not have noticed but we have been at WAR for over a decade... so the idea that somehow we will get war seems a little odd. We've already had the shame of guatanomo, torture, genocide and charges of war crimes levelled at the US... it doesn't register withwarmongering  neo-cons like you though... you seem to confuse this with honour.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:41 | 4185445 JamesBond
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yes....  you 'really are' TrulyStupid

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:11 | 4185523 TrulyStupid
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I am indeed but am considering having a lobotomy and my penis shortened in order to join your neo-con chickenhawk party.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:18 | 4185543 JamesBond
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If you meet the Buddha on the Road, Kill Him.

There are no political parties  -  it is an illusion  

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:03 | 4185477 mofreedom
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"Give peas a chance"  --  Moochelle

"We will have peas in our day, every day, every meal, cause I said"  --  Moochelle

"How do YOU get peas?  With a knife...MY knife in YOUR side"  --  Moochelle

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:13 | 4185529 kaiserhoff
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  and don't you dare ask who that mofo is, or where he came from.  Delving into his past is a federal crime.  Ain't a free press great?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:48 | 4186114 JamesBond
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goodness how delicious 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:53 | 4185484 TBT or not TBT
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The shame of Guantanamo is that we didn't go ahead and execute the fucks in it as irregular combatants, as per the Geneva conventions. Bush and Cheney were pussies on that in a way democrat administrations would never descend to. Obama, for his part, grease spots them in place now, without even a court martial. This is the logical result of all the theatrical whining about Gitmo. Just don't bother arresting them. Don't bother figuring out which ones are important. Target them all. Obama is on the job.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:30 | 4185714 W74
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So they should wear bright red uniforms and stand in a straight line while reloading their muskets?  Would that make them regular combatants in your eyes or no?

And for those of us who've actually been to one of the countries on either side of Iran a couple times....yeah, we know how the game works.  No thanks, not doing that again.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:03 | 4185882 BigJim
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Kensho w/r/t geopolitics... congrats, better late than never.

Now if we can just get your comrades-in-arms to have the same realisation before they sign up...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:35 | 4185952 Oldwood
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yes, them Muslims don't do anything like that shit, of course unless you requiring stoning for unapproved dating or prison for political speach or death for homosexuality. But yes, other than that, they are most definitely morally superior!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:44 | 4185458 TheFourthStooge-ing
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John Kerry's trips to Israel to appease Netanyahu are a more valid comparison to Neville Chamberlain and the Munich Agreement, including the inaction regarding the West Bank Anschluss.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:22 | 4185378 ShorTed
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Does anyone really believe this is anything other than getting OBAMACARE off the front page?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:44 | 4185455 y3maxx
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Kicks Obamacare debacle "Off" the front page.

Keeps Obamacare debacle "On" the front page.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:58 | 4185755 Pure Evil
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That and the 50th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination helps keep the Obamacare fiasco off the front pages along with Thanksgiving, NFL football, Dancing With The Stars, the Kardashians, and a host of other pig swill trotted out to entertain the Plebians.

Who wants to guess that Ogolfsalot doesn't receive all the credit and another Nobel Peace Prize.

(And, no one can convince me the Israeli intelligence agencies weren't aware that Owookielover wasn't selling them out to the Mullahs in Iran)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:42 | 4185966 Oldwood
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Obamcare aint goin away because we are all going to be paying for it forever. Nobody ultimately gives a shit about Iran or Kennedy because its not coming out of their pockets. Obama lead his bots to believe they would be getting more free shit and they are discovering he lied to them. Not just about details (the ends justifying the means) but actual in the pocket book lies. They are not looking at him in quite the same way today. Now that John Kerry, now he's the man! He was likely against Iran before he was for them, but he sure showed them who's boss! He probably just played his American hating congressional testimony from Nam days to convince them he was on their side. A real diplomat.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:03 | 4185502 TBT or not TBT
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Me. Obama did the presser on Saturday night because he knows this is an anti-American, anti-occidental victory, part of the "transformation" of his father's "dreams". American nukes bad. Third world dictatorship nukes good.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:21 | 4185688 TheFourthStooge-ing
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...which explains quite well the continuing policy of the US to exempt Israel from annoyances like the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, among others.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:06 | 4185662 uno
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timing, the talks on Iran and the MSM lapdogs all of a sudden showing O'genocide (ie obamacare) as a disaster.  Could the MSM have been pressuring O to cave on bombing Iran.

It reminds me of back in 2010 when out of nowhere the US started the Toyota braking stores on MSM every day and even the clowns in Congress got involved.  Months later it simply went away.  Why, Japan was trying to get the US out of Okinawa earlier by not renewing the lease, then caved with all the bad publicity and signed the deal. 

When the MSM started going after O on anything, you know that is not the real story.  MSM is the CIA/Isreal lapdog, interesting to see if the O attacks continue

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:51 | 4185746 zerozulu
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May be, or obamacare is nothing other than getting DOLLARDEMISE off the front page?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:25 | 4185386 S400
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Wait, whaaat? This is analogy to 1938 only if Germany then is meant to be US now...If author of article REALLY thinks that US in this case is UK of 1938, then he is insane!!!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:30 | 4185709 Ignatius
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People have fallen for the silent coup:  the coup that doesn't declare itself.

'We' leaned from Hitler.  Don't be obvious of your intentions.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:45 | 4185973 Oldwood
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Biases are burning brightly today!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:25 | 4185387 dick cheneys ghost
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the Chickenhawks are pissed


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:32 | 4185410 TrulyStupid
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And rightly so ... where is the profit in a peace agreemtn?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:44 | 4185462 BurningFuld
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America just signed on to stay in Afghanistan until 2024 so it's not all bad for the war machine.

"So look Obama...if your not fucking invading Iran we want Afghanistan until 2024. Our shareholders are not going to be happy unless we have a good long term war commitment somewhere on this stupid planet."

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:09 | 4185519 TBT or not TBT
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Obama wants us there because it is demoralizing to the personnel of our volunteer military, and the mission persued disserves the interests of the USA. Keeping a base in Iraq would have served our interest and those of humanity too, but Obama studiously fucked that one up. Now Iraq is Oran's playground, as Lebanon and Syria have been for quite a while.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:51 | 4185617 Urban Redneck
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There's a vast difference Peace and a "peace agreement".

As far as the MIC is concerned though, Peace Treaties are also quite profitable...

the "peace" with Germany still pays annual dividends (to shareholders)...
the "peace" with Japan still pays annual dividends (to shareholders)...
the "peace" with Italy still pays annual dividends (to shareholders)...
the "peace" with North Korea still pays annual dividends (to shareholders)...
the "peace" with Afghanistan still pays annual dividends (to shareholders)...
the "peace" with Iraq still pays annual dividends (to shareholders)...

They only "peace" where ROI goes funky on a longer timeline is Vietnam - since US military presence and arms sales to the entire peninsula are negligible.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:25 | 4185390 Bangin7GramRocks
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You are equating the shithead backwards Iranians with the Nazi war machine of 1938? Germany almost singlehandedly defeated the entire world. This agreement is just a placeholder until President Jeb Bush takes office and we begin the third wave of Bush family aggression. Get ready for action all you 14 year old boys. We will need every swinging dick(poor that is) to fight back assaults on our freedoms!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:49 | 4185475 booboo
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"Germany almost single handedly defeated the entire world"
You have been watching too many John Wayne movies and reading government approved history books.
German expansion would equate to Kansas expanding to the Canadian border north, Oregon west, the Mississippi River east and Brownsville Texas south. The U.S. involvment could have stopped with lend/lease. Equating sending boys into fortified beach heads and MG42's with winning? Ok Charlie Sheen. Have you ever asked why we just HAD to do that?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:24 | 4185553 ElvisDog
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Germany made the same mistake in WWII that they made in WWI - they got into a war of attrition when they had far fewer men than their enemies. Once that happened, like a seige in ancient times, WWII became a mathematical equation. It's amazing that only 25 years after their terrible war-of-attrition experience in WWI, that Germany got into the exact same situation in WWII.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:02 | 4185651 tmosley
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Socialists, national socialists included, make it a point not to learn from history.  To do otherwise would mean they couldn't be socialists any more.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:17 | 4185682 DoChenRollingBearing
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+ 1

Look at any history books produced by the Left.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:27 | 4185707 moonstears
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EDog, I do think reparations imposed on Germans had that effect. WWII entered after years of: "They're takin' our shit, we need a dude with balls!!! (paging Evil Mr. Hitler)"

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:10 | 4185892 Freddie
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This is the European bankster families playing all sides like they have done in Europe for hundreds of years for money and profit.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:49 | 4185976 Oldwood
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But the Germans were exceptional with obvious genetic superiority. What could have possibly gone wrong?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:28 | 4185559 Bangin7GramRocks
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I'm not rah-rahing the US involvement in World War 2. I'm merely stating that Germany was a military super power and Iran is a shitty little desert wasteland with some old US tech and some Russian weapons. They aren't a threat to anyone, even Israel.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:37 | 4185729 TheFourthStooge-ing
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You are correct in pointing out that Iran is not a threat.

Your perception of it as a shitty little desert wasteland is a bit cartoonish, though.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:02 | 4186007 Oldwood
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Any country can be a threat but those who publicly state their goal is to eliminate other countries does give cause to speculate. Anyone who thinks Iran did not play a huge role in Iraq and the loss of life to Americans is living under a log. There are no good players in this game and I will not excuse America in that. But it seems foolish to be throwing stones at your own house rather than working on the foundation and roof, unless you think you have really good insurance of course.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:01 | 4186274 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Any country can be a threat but those who publicly state their goal is to eliminate other countries does give cause to speculate.

Some lies seem to take on a life of their own.

Anyone who thinks Iran did not play a huge role in Iraq and the loss of life to Americans is living under a log.

To believe that ridiculous assertion is to put full faith into the narratives crafted by US media. Do you also believe that the US economy has been in a recovery since 2008, and that BLS unemployment figures are accurate? Sheesh!

US Military Ignored Evidence of Iraqi-Made EFPs

Maliki Stalls US Plan to Frame Iran

Where Are Those Iranian Weapons in Iraq?

AP's Iran-Trained Hit Squads Story: Iraq News Nadir?

US Task Force Found Few Iranian Arms in Iraq

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:13 | 4186306 Oldwood
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It must be convenient to get all of you facts from a single Anti War site. There is plenty of shit to go around but let us be clear, exactly who's side are you on here? Assuming you are right in your assertions and assuming we should ignore virtually everything we have heard over the last forty years or so, what should we do? Bomb Israel? I do apologize for my ridiculous assertions that are shared by so many, but then again, we live in a world where roughly half the people are idiots. Are we are just fighting over which half now? Maybe the Iranians are as pure as the driven snow, but if so, they must be the dumbest fuckers on the planet because they say some stupid shit, if they are the peace loving martyrs you seem to believe them to be.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:01 | 4186518 TheFourthStooge-ing
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There is plenty of shit to go around but let us be clear, exactly who's side are you on here?

The side that is opposed to bullshit propaganda, bullying, and wars of aggression. You?

Assuming you are right in your assertions and assuming we should ignore virtually everything we have heard over the last forty years or so, what should we do? Bomb Israel?

You don't seem to understand. I consider bombing anyone a last resort, not a diplomatic opening. What we should do is treat people how we expect to be treated.

I do apologize for my ridiculous assertions that are shared by so many, but then again, we live in a world where roughly half the people are idiots.

Congratulations. Acknowledging a problem is the first step to resolving it.

Maybe the Iranians are as pure as the driven snow

No, they are people, like anyone else.

they must be the dumbest fuckers on the planet because they say some stupid shit, if they are the peace loving martyrs you seem to believe them to be.

Spare me the vulgar displays of histrionics. They are neither peace loving martyrs, nor are they the suicidal death-embracing monsters you make them out to be. They are people, which would explain the spontaneous candlelight vigils in Iranian cities in sympathy for the victims of the 9/11/01 attacks.

You seem to be forgetting that members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps provided assistance to the CIA and US Special Forces in the initial stages of the fall 2001 invasion of Afghanistan, or that Iranian officials later offered to work under US command to assist them in building the Afghan army.

Lastly, ten years ago Iran put forth a proposal to resolve all outstanding differences between Iran and the US in which everything was on the table, including formal recognition of and peace with Israel. This offer was rejected by the US, which then proceeded to label Iran a member of the "Axis of Evil".

Despite all your hyperbole, the Iranian people people are pretty much decent people, like most people in the world, and, based on their actions, their government appears to consist, for the most part, of rational actors. While you're certainly free to continue to live with your illusions, you'll be called out on it if you try to pass them off as facts.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:32 | 4185674 DoChenRollingBearing
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@ Bangin7Grams

There will be no US land war with Iran!


I really do not understand why some of the obviously intelligent people who come to Zero Hedge do not understand this.  There will be no US land war with Iran!  There is NO talk of this at high levels, there is NO support for this among our people.



Nor do I understand this obsession with Jeb Bush.  The country wants no more President Bushes, for a generation at least.  Our next president, alas, will be Hillary Clinton.  (Of course, that's what I thought in 2007 until we saw Barack Obama rise on Wall Street money -- see Barron's of October 2007, Wall St. had already spoken...)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:33 | 4185721 Bangin7GramRocks
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I truly hope you are right. I am not advocating for war but I am beaten down so much by our warmongering leaders that I see every other country as a potential US target. And I am talking about Obama too. They are all bloodthirsty bastards who send our good men to be slaughtered. And FUCK YOU CHENEY!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:14 | 4185742 DoChenRollingBearing
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Think about how bloody a war with Iran would be.  Umpteen thousands would die vs. a hostile, heavily populated country.  The place is huge.  We just had a not-too-bloody war with Iraq, Iran would be twenty times worse, twnety times as bloody, twenty times as expensive.  And the Russians would not let us pluck that poisoned fruit anyway.

A US land war with Iran would be beyond the insanity of any of them (the psychopaths at the top).

Would anyone let their kids be drafted to fight a big stupid war in Iran?  They would be in the streets burning all the federal buildings down.  Would YOU let your kid(s) go fight in a land war with Iran?  You would be in the streets alongside me...

That is one nightmare you can put aside.  

There are plenty of OTHER nightmares out there waiting to happen.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:34 | 4185723 Son of Captain Nemo
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So please tell me how trading one psychopath with a -D is better than trading another psychopath with an -R?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:38 | 4185731 DoChenRollingBearing
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The Prosecution rests.  You're up.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:45 | 4185743 TheFourthStooge-ing
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So please tell me how trading one psychopath with a -D is better than trading another psychopath with an -R?

Because next time will be different, you see.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 19:16 | 4186429 lakecity55
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No more Clinton

No more Bush

Give them Both a mighty Push!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:24 | 4185391 Bad Attitude
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This is just a distraction and Dear Leader searching desperately for something that can be labeled a "success" for his failed presidency. Dear Leader destroys everything he touches. This deal wll too be a massive failure.

Forward (over the cliff).

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:42 | 4185449 stant
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yep desperate search for a legacy. this really a failure , but it will be spun as other by the blue dress media. collapse of empire ongoing

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:11 | 4185774 Pure Evil
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I tend to agree in the long run it will be a failure. The Iranians already have nukes, plutonium one's from NK. But, in the short term, Owookiefucker will win another Nobel Peace Prize and leave the stage in another year after the Democrats loose control of the Senate. That's why we see Reid pulling the Nuclear option in the hopes of getting all their communist/socilast Federal judges on the bench before next years elections. They've got to continue destroying the country as much as possible before the Repugnants take over and get their turn at it.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:10 | 4186035 Freddie
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Putin 5

Obama 0

Saudis -2

Putin is on a roll.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 19:14 | 4186421 lakecity55
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Right, Freddy. Vlad is the Go-To man, right now.

He left Backdoor pounding his pud in the Med.

Why do so many Americans respect Vlad? Because he backs his country, unlike Zero, who just likes the Back Door.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:25 | 4185393 J S Bach
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  • Kerry: If Iran's nuclear program is really only for peaceful purposes, then "prove it"

I would love to hear Iran's FM ask the same thing of the U.S. & Israel.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:12 | 4186039 Freddie
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Who is John Kerry?  You mean John Kohn?  The pretend Catholic for dumb Dem mick voters in Massachusetts who thought he was another Kennedy? 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:29 | 4185396 booboo
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Well.....we do need the space, we're running out of hiding places to stuff our dollars.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:28 | 4185402 Seasmoke
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Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:28 | 4185403 ciscokid
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Is this bullish for Gold???

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:31 | 4185415 Seasmoke
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Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:33 | 4185419 rehypothecator
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Nothing is bullish for gold.  Except for everything else that is going on in the world. But those things don't matter. 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:27 | 4185557 Whatta
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Gold was assassinated by TPTB. Pretty for rings and grills as stuff.

Bitcoins now the next best hope, until they track it down and kill htat too. The Money Changers of the modern temple will not be denied their cut off the top.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:01 | 4185643 Urban Roman
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Iran will suddenly get the urge to unload all its gold onto the Uzbek exchange in a single trade at 3:00 AM Teheran time. That will send gold into the sub-$1000 range.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:31 | 4185409 no life
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They try to diffuse the situation so that we don't get another flare up in the middle east, but not for any humane reason.. they just don't want a spike in oil prices or a 1% turmoiling down day in the stock markets..

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:32 | 4185413 RacerX
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oh boy, all those Leaders smiling. I think I know how this story ends.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:37 | 4185421 Al Huxley
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I'm really surprised at the implication in this article that the 'peace in our time' Chamberlain/Hitler deal is a valid and appropriate reference, with the suggestion that Iran's in the role of Germany and Obama's playing Chamberlain.  Wow, if I need the MSM propaganda take, I'll hit FOX or CNN.


Does anybody really think that Iran's role in the modern world, and their capability to go to war with the major global powers is in ANY way comparable to Germany's in the 30's?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:37 | 4185438 Arkadaba
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Surprised me too.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:40 | 4185440 Shad_ow
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No but the Kerry (Obama's lackey) to Chamberlain comparison is pretty good.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:49 | 4185478 TheFourthStooge-ing
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No but the Kerry (Obama's lackey) to Chamberlain comparison is pretty good.

It dovetails nicely with Kerry's trips to Israel to appease Reichschancellor Netanyahu.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:20 | 4185544 Orly
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It seems the insidious reference was to equate Iran with a global threat of Jewish extermination.

Now that we can see through such malarkey, it does make one wonder why they feel it necessary to do that.


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:39 | 4185730 Yen Cross
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  Hi Orly. Short usd/jpy. Bond yields are coming back in. CFTC> JPY net short 112K vs short 95K prior week

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:42 | 4185831 Orly
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Werd, Yen Cross.

Already short the GJ from last week at the Weekly pivot.  Needless to say I am getting my head handed to me...but that's not the first time and prolly won't be the last.

The price action smells of some desperation, especially after the BoJ tried to push the train with Kuroda jawboniing at the end of last week. But it was to no avail. They weren't able to move the market even a little bit, which tells me that there is some real money spurring the move to appear to be a breakout.

All the majors are up against heavy resistance, as well, so what would normally have been a very quiet week coming up, my bet is it is going to be wild.

Best of luck trading, many green pis and a wonderful Thanksgiving to you and yours, YC.


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:11 | 4186037 Yen Cross
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  Thanks Orly. The majors kept the crosses supported during the $ selloff Friday. Hence the 30 pip range of usd/jpy. Keep that G/J short . It's going to retrace. Also A/U is due for a retrace, so  G/A is another good short option. The sterling is way overbought. (higher gilt yields attracted buyers)

  Happy Turkey Day to you, and your family as well Orly. :D

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:41 | 4185447 DeliciousSteak
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The funny part about your post is that nobody thought Germany could wage war against the major powers either. That's why France and Britain declared war in the first place. If they had known what they were unleashing they would've left Germany and the Soviets duke it out like they (Britain)eventually did.

But the rule of thumb when reading Zerohedge is that whatever representatives of the western countries do, it's wrong.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:30 | 4185565 ElvisDog
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The German high command itself didn't think they had enough men and material. They were concerned before the battle of France that they wouldn't be ready to do that until 1942.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:42 | 4185450 kaiserhoff
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The Zionist are pissed.

They thought they could black mail Barry into starting and fighting a major war for Israel.

Putin outflanked them, for now. 

Everything else is background noise and diversion.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:12 | 4185528 dick cheneys ghost
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chickenhawks John Bolton, Bill Kristol and freddie are on a plane right now, to Israel, to join and fight with the IDF

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:59 | 4185762 TheFourthStooge-ing
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While I agree with your assessment of Bolton and Kristol as Israel First chickenhawks, I don't think they're eager to do any fighting themselves. Their preferred method, like that of their war girl senatorial colleagues Grandpa McCain and Lily Graham, is to sacrifice the young people of the United States for that purpose.

As for Freddie, although I've had my disagreements with him, he sees through the whole neocon charade as well as anyone.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:32 | 4185813 dick cheneys ghost
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poor attempt at sarc/humor on my part.....why would chickenhawks be on a plane to fight with Israel, when they can send my son and nephews to fight??


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:56 | 4185868 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Agreed (re the chickenhawks, that is).

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:46 | 4185468 AynRandFan
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Iran's capability with nukes would far surpass Germany's capabilities in the 1930's.  Austria and Poland were not major powers anyway, and France was a paper tiger.

Is North Korea a threat?  Yeah, Iran is too.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:52 | 4185483 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Considering that, according to both US and Israeli intelligence, Iran does not have a nuclear weapon program, the capabilities of Iran's imaginary nukes are probably identical to WW2 Germany's imaginary death rays.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:11 | 4185524 CoonT
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"Was" a paper tiger...lulz

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:24 | 4185927 caustixoid
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"Iran's capability with nukes would far surpass Germany's capabilities in the 1930's"

Holy shit, Iran has nukes AND A TIME MACHINE?!?  so their alleged handful of nukes would not be facing 200+ israeli nukes/4000 american nukes/multiple aircraft carrier groups, but instead their hordes would be facing a world without jet engines and air radar?  MY GOD, WE NEED TO DESTROY THEM NOW!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:53 | 4186264 Oldwood
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Yes, but they have all those virgins in heaven waiting on them. For the rest of us I'm not so sure.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:53 | 4185486 Solarman
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Let them lob one nuke into Saudi Arabia, and you will have your answer.  You see Israel is a sideshow for Iran.  It is the Sunni's they hate far worse.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:23 | 4185923 FeralSerf
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Much more fearsome for the Saudis and more likely as well is lobbing an extra few million barrels per day into the international oil market not to mention the possibility of Iranian gas getting into european markets.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:05 | 4185506 FeralSerf
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It's just the best spin that our favourite chesterfield salesman, Nitwit-n-yahoo, could come up with in short order.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:28 | 4185563 I Write Code
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In each case there was a piece of paper waved that had no value and did not reflect facts on the ground.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 12:34 | 4185579 Son of Captain Nemo
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Doesn't matter when you consider who was funding Germany right up to their invasion of Poland, but this is beside the point. The dynamics after WWII changed everything.

This is 2013 that was 1938.

The important thing to remember is that since 1945 thanks to the U.S. Government's nuclear arms profliferation, should we decide to start the next one (and it certainly will be us that starts it) -it won't end like WWII and that is what will keep Master 'Obung-hole' and Ms. Kerry along with the JCS up late every night in making that biggest of decisions for all of us.

Sleeping well.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 13:55 | 4185756 zerozulu
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In this age, oil seems to have more energy than nukes.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:53 | 4185861 J S Bach
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Keep in mind, too... that the National Socialists were ostensibly at war with the same international bankers of their day.  They had established a debt-free mark which infuriated the Rothschild syndicate.  This is the similarity between the two countries (Iran & Germany).  And remember that shortly after the NSDP obtained power, an international Jewish boycott (sanctions) of all German goods was instituted.  Sound familiar?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:34 | 4185425 Teknopagan
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Peace lamented by the same Bloodthristy Bastards who cheered on WW! and WW2.  Hannukah kicks off the season of peace and love

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:00 | 4185763 besnook
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israel is a notorious holiday war monger. there might be fireworks on thanksgiving this year.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:38 | 4185957 Joe A
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While for America any day is a good day to go to war.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 11:47 | 4185431 sgorem
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“Verification is the key.”........yeah, just like verification was the key in Iraq, with it's WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION that were never "verified", or found, and then promptly had the fucking shit bombed out of it by the above mentioned group. I guess it's the extention of the Cold War, where WE stil have Little Men the world over that have something to prove by taking the rest of the world down with them, and ANY socio/religious/economic cause will be their justification. History repeats itself with a new batch of idiots.

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