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Jim Rogers Blasts "Abolish The Fed" Before It Self-Destructs

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"The world has consumed more than it produced for more than a decade," Jim Rogers explains to BoomBust's Erin Ade; but his comments to the leather mini-skirted anchor with regard the actions of the world's central banks bear the most attention. "The world is floating on an artificial ocean of printed money," he blasts, adding that while it's going on "everyone's happy," but at the first sign of it slowing, he warns, "we will all dry up."

Rogers sees gold as a crucial holding in this respect but believes there will be a better price to buy more, as he reflects on the suppressive actions of the Indian government.

This excellent far-reaching interview covers everything from gold standards to China's 3rd Plenum "I much prefer the Chinese system of open markets than the US with the government dictating everything" and from Bitcoin to a barbaric destruction of the Fed and all it stands for, "the Fed will self-destruct, before the polticians realize what is going on."


Erin Ade... (you're welcome - is it any wonder Maria B quit?) asks every question we need answered...


interviews a worried Jim Rogers...


4:30 Agriculture/Farmland - bullish sugar and farmland - "The world has consumed more than it produced for more than a decade," and inventories are near record lows

6:25 Central Banks - "for the first time in history, all central banks are printing money... The world is floating on an artificial ocean of printed money,"

7:15 Gold - "I am not selling any of my gold, but believe there will better prices to buy... the Indian government is actually trying to make its people sell their gold."

8:45 Gold Standard - "it might work for a while but eventually the politicians will cheat that too"... "people wil be desperate in the next decade to try anything - maybe it will be bitcoins"

9:40 Bitcoin - there are many more important things in the world than worrying about bitcoins

10:15 China's Plenum - "the Chinese are becoming more and more capitalist"... they are becoming more and more market focused... as opposed to the US where when there is a problem "the government decides how to fix it... look at Obamacare" - "the government says "we will figure out the solution"... "I much prefer the Chinese system of open markets than the US with the government dictating everything"

15:20 The Fed - "The way the world has worked for a few thousand years is - that when people get into trouble, they fail; competent people come along, reorganize the assets and start over..." In America, he chides, "they decided to let incompetent people take over the assets from competent people and compete with the competent people." - The Japanese tried this in the 90s and it failed for 2 lost decades.

"In America, they are kicking the can down the road, and when the can finally goes over the side, we are all going to go with it."

"We've had 50-60 years of excess in America, you've got to pay the price some day whether you like it or not... the longer they delay the day of reckoning the worse it will be."

17:40 Abolish The Fed - "the world has gotten along very well for most of history without central banks."

"we would be better of with no central bank, than this central bank"

19:00 Stocks - "we are certainly gonna have a crash some day" - "as long as they keep printing money, and no restraints on congressional spending, this bubble could go on forever"



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Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:42 | 4185821 Wyatt Junker
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and Jim Rogers... jizzed in his pants.

and thus it was referred to as the act of 'rogering' ever since.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:46 | 4185837 ZerOhead
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"the Fed will self-destruct, before the polticians realize what is going on."

All we can do is pray... and buy lots gold and silver to make this dream become a reality...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:46 | 4185844 fonestar
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What a picture!  It looks like Jim is trying to abolish his dentures before the Fed.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:37 | 4186092 James_Cole
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"The world has consumed more than it produced for more than a decade," Jim Rogers

Paradox aside, the opposite is the problem. Over-production and over-capacity are killing the economy right now, making the environment unliveable for humans too.

Need to consume and produce less, simple as that.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:43 | 4186103 Papasmurf
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The problem is a few have way too much which they obtained by taking from those who don't have enough to get by.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:21 | 4186193 DaddyO
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So redistribution is justified?

And how much is way too much?

Somewhere I read that you could evenly distribute all the worlds goods and money and within a few short months there would be inequities again.

The poor will always be with us...


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:44 | 4186233 CH1
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So long as there is a system that can rob and punish everyone at once, the suffering will continue.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:42 | 4186352 Victorio
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Yup.  I'll take fair markets and freedom from government/corporate theft and you can keep the redistribution. I don't need a handout, just a level playing field.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:21 | 4186554 Seer
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I agree with the sentiment.  However...

That which could be "redistributed" is highly laden with POWER.  Those that have amassed the bulk of control of the world will continue to use that power to ensure that they exist ABOVE that "level playing field."

It's a big Catch-22.  You cannot truly level the playing field without redistributing: what, GS and the other robber baron entities can keep all that they have?  And one cannot have a level playing field by manipulating it- engaging in redistribution activities.

One day it'll be simplified.  You get to keep what you can hold on to.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:15 | 4186753 Anusocracy
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The elites need government to continue their control and the dupes keep providing it.

Stupid, stupid, people.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:44 | 4186810 Creepy Lurker
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"One day it'll be simplified.  You get to keep what you can hold on to."


You keep what you kill. It's the Necromonger way.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:43 | 4186356 Keyser
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The floggings will continue until morale improves. 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 19:45 | 4186479 Fredo Corleone
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In time, Jim will be proven correct; in the interim, however, taking the other side of the $85 billion monthly trade against the Fed is an excercise in futility.

In that context, let us change the focus of the discussion to Erin Ade...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 21:02 | 4186637 DCFusor
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Looks like Dianna Krall, except Dianna has real talent.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 21:38 | 4186694 ebworthen
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Jim Rogers says:  "I'm long sugar, Sugar."

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:53 | 4186134 kraschenbern
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It's not a paradox until the granary becomes empty.  Need to consume less, produce more.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:27 | 4186205 James_Cole
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I commented before watching the interview and didn't realize he was talking about agriculture. Either way, people are not consuming more than is being produced, the spoils are being handed out very disproportionately is all.

There are also hard limits on production beyond human control, people all hype the 'miracle' of genetically engineered crops, but truth is it's been a gigantic failure so far. Not to mention deteriorating environmental conditions worldwide.

Very good chances there will be a ongoing fall in food production (fisheries anyone?) so producing more (outside of some science miracle) might be out of the question entirely.

The pentagon has already written a few papers about this inevitability.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:34 | 4186580 Seer
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"people are not consuming more than is being produced"

Yes and no...

It's an issue of relying on production from prior years  "Surplus," as in grain crops, is meant as a buffer for the eventual crop failures; it is, then, insurance for the future.  By drawing down on those reserves we place the future in peril.  One could view this as being fairly synonymous with oil, except that we cannot really produce more oil like we can grain (well, there's biofuels and all, but...).

The US cattle industry is bracing for another tick down for 2014.  It's the economies of scale reversing issue... at the height of it all hides were a HUGE boost to income, hides that got turned into leather seats in "luxury" autos/trucks...  The irony now is that the cattle industry needs people to be buying less such vehicles in order that that "disposible" income (no longer such) can be applied to the purchase of beef.

The corporate food industry has peaked.  Like everything, one can take away both good and bad things from such.  I look at these kinds of things and ask what "I" ought to be doing to provide some sort of balance- my answer is to take up farming... (and I have no illusions that I can stop, let alone stall, the coming storm, no more than spitting into the winds of an on-coming storm front would have any affect on changing its course)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 23:34 | 4186929 thestarl
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Hey JC take down here in Oz for example.The New England Plains in central NSW,some of the most fertile agricultural land in the country a big food bowl basically.Now they want to frack and longwall mine energy coal under the place.Are they fucking insane you bet.Myself i work in the mining industry but this place i repeat should be left alone as just to big a risk to aquifiers.


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:20 | 4186194 Squid-puppets a...
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entire docklands full of unsold stuff the world around. for mine, this is all caused by interference in currencies: america using its millitary to prevent the dollar losing value, china pegging underneath the $US. This is a key factor in the oligarchy preventing the deflation that would help restore balance

but noooooooooo, every dickhead govt in the world has to connive to prevent the deflation

god forbid the workers should earn wages at levels that enable them to actually buy the shit they make

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:40 | 4186591 Seer
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Sicne govts generally are paid for by corporations I'm not seeing them, govts, stepping aside anytime soon.

"god forbid the workers should earn wages at levels that enable them to actually buy the shit they make"

You mean that if I worked at Boeing my wages should be such that I could buy a 737? (only partial sarc)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 19:03 | 4186401 starfcker
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james cole, you are absolutely right, and jim rogers is exactly wrong. overproduction is the symptom of the real problem. the problem is means. how do people afford to buy what is produced. worldwide EBT can only last so long. decentralization is the answer, no amount of kicking and screaming can change that. broad money, not monopoly. 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:42 | 4186600 Seer
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I didn't down-arrow you...

"decentralization is the answer"

What's the question?

I fully agree that "decentralization" WILL occur, but believe that it will do so in response to the issues of declining resources; "decentralization" will not, however, stop the decline in resources, in which case we'll still be faced with the BIG questions...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:09 | 4186743 starfcker
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the question should be, "how do we get the american economy rolling again so that the most people prosper." instead, the question seems to be, "how can we buy time to come up with a new plan that keeps the public passive while we figure out how to keep our monopolies intact while we figure out a profitable way to sell stuff to people around the world with no money." i've been impressed with the people running the show and their ability to improvise and keep the plates spinning, but at the end ot the day, the real problem knows no answer. all peoples aren't the same, in wants or abilities. dumbing us down is not going to solve the central problem. how do we pay for all this? printing has worked so far, but long term?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:33 | 4186790 Anusocracy
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Government creates conditions that destroy businesses and jobs, hence you have a surplus of workers and lower pay.

Throw in the cost of government, and its overpriced anti-productive workers, and you'll have no problem destroying the livelihoods of tens of millions.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:11 | 4186746 starfcker
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the question should be, "how do we get the american economy rolling again so that the most people prosper." instead, the question seems to be, "how can we buy time to come up with a new plan that keeps the public passive while we figure out how to keep our monopolies intact while we figure out a profitable way to sell stuff to people around the world with no money." i've been impressed with the people running the show and their ability to improvise and keep the plates spinning, but at the end ot the day, the real problem knows no answer. all peoples aren't the same, in wants or abilities. dumbing us down is not going to solve the central problem. how do we pay for all this? printing has worked so far, but long term?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:14 | 4186750 starfcker
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the question should be, "how do we get the american economy rolling again so that the most people prosper." instead, the question seems to be, "how can we buy time to come up with a new plan that keeps the public passive while we figure out how to keep our monopolies intact while we figure out a profitable way to sell stuff to people around the world with no money." i've been impressed with the people running the show and their ability to improvise and keep the plates spinning, but at the end ot the day, the real problem knows no answer. all peoples aren't the same, in wants or abilities. dumbing us down is not going to solve the central problem. how do we pay for all this? printing has worked so far, but long term?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:14 | 4186752 starfcker
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the question should be, "how do we get the american economy rolling again so that the most people prosper." instead, the question seems to be, "how can we buy time to come up with a new plan that keeps the public passive while we figure out how to keep our monopolies intact while we figure out a profitable way to sell stuff to people around the world with no money." i've been impressed with the people running the show and their ability to improvise and keep the plates spinning, but at the end ot the day, the real problem knows no answer. all peoples aren't the same, in wants or abilities. dumbing us down is not going to solve the central problem. how do we pay for all this? printing has worked so far, but long term?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:23 | 4186771 starfcker
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anybody know how to delete multiposts. i'm ten miles offshore on a rainy night, don't know why that happened or how to fix it

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 23:28 | 4186908 Son of Captain Nemo
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Good summary of where we are and where we are "going".

My take on what you just described especially "buying time to come up with a new plan that keeps the public passive while we figure out how to keep our monopolies intact... while attempting to stay profitable with no money"?...This is all of it in a nutshell. 

It' "is" and has been the codebook for our devised destruction, pure and simple.  Some may disagree with that, but I believe the questioning Ollie North received in the 80's during the Iran Contra scandal when the Sentor from Texas asked him about 'Rex 84' is a glimpse of what they had planned for this Country that long ago and most probably before.

They knew what was going to happen to this economy back then, and the direction the Corporations were headed with the American workforce which was being systematically downsized and phased out because we were no longer a labor force that was deemed cost competitive with Asia, Latin America and Eastern Europe. How long have the H1B1 floodgates and unlimited immigration policies been with us in just about every State?

We are seeing the end run which has been sustained over the last two decades with no lawmakers in Washington who in my mind have any inclination to change the direction. 

I think the only real teacher that we had left was Ron Paul.  He tried to warn us about what was coming But not enough in this Country were engaged or willing to learn from his message and the truth he was speaking.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:09 | 4186533 Libertarian777
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while your first sentence is spot on (the paradox), i have to say, where have i heard the latter sentence before?


you're implying progress is in the way of progress. We should go back to subsistence farming, at least everyone had a job then? well please stop using your computer/tablet/phone manufactured in highly efficient production facilities, stop using electricity to power said phone, stop driving a vehicle other than one made by hand, THEN come back here and tell us to stop over-producing.

The problem is not 'overproducing', it's 'overproducing the wrong goods', being incentivised by the misallocation of capital due to central banking / government policies.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:49 | 4186614 Seer
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That which cannot continue forever won't.

It's easy enough to make the statement that the "problem" has to do with "overproducing the wrong goods," but one then would be inclined to state an example of what the "correct goods" would be.  Yeah, let the "market" figure it out.  I agree, however, at this stage of the game with all that's at stake (all the imbedded power, the control over all the existing infrastructure) I'm not seeing us all "letting go of the shore."

If we do not find some break-through new energy-source it's a certainty that MOST of what we now see could be classified as being the result of "misallocation."  It's a pretty common theme with civilizations that they tend to not question their underlying premises until it's too late.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 23:00 | 4186858 Creepy Lurker
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I believe you have just inadvertently stated what the "correct goods" should be. Research and development.

This dumbing down of the world population will eventually be the undoing of those who propagate it.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 09:00 | 4187343 Debugas
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people were spending (and still are) more money than they earn (it is possible because of crediting).

people consume exactly as much as they produce

idling capacity to produce is almost everywhere

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:47 | 4185846 King_of_simpletons
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Federal Reserve Bank is NEVER going to be ABOLISHED.

These just make good rallyng sound bites for the fanatic.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:30 | 4185935 TeamDepends
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Never say never!  Only 3-5% of the population started the revolt against King George.  Expect twice that amount to say F U to the IRS come April 15th.  And once the brave stand up, the cowards will rise up behind them.  (did not junk you)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:57 | 4186629 Drifter
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I'll say never.  There won't be another armed revolt in America.  Civil war was the last one.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:39 | 4186797 Anusocracy
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Two hundred years of importing government lovers will do that.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:10 | 4186029 JR
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The route to abolishing the Fed is through the Congress…because it unconstitutionally created it.

John E. McManus in Financial Terrorism: Hijacking America Under the Threat of Bankruptcy explains:

“By its action in 1913, Congress actually put an official stamp of approval on the replacement of the Constitution as the definer of our nation’s monetary policy. The creation of the Fed not only set the stage for the grand theft of the American people’s property, it is leading toward a grand theft of the American system of limited government and personal freedom.

“Karl Marx would have loved the Fed. “The ‘unseen guardian angel’ of the Fed, Edward Mandell House, wrote in his 1912 book, Philip Dru: Administrator, that he wanted ‘Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx.’ The goal of House, Marx, and their modern-day followers in the CFR, TC, and other elitist organizations are being realized.

“All American should be outraged at what a few power-hungry individuals have done to our nation and themselves. The Fed must be abolished, but knowing how we got into its grasp is important.”

That’s where ZH comes in…

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:46 | 4186368 nmewn
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"Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly."

Plank number five.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:54 | 4186620 Seer
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Rogers said that it wouldn't get abolished (he only says that if HE were in charge that that's what HE'd do).  What he said was that the Fed would collapse and take all the politicians by surprise.  Personally, I don't think that the politicians are going to be surprised, though I do believe that the Fed is going to collapse: my hypothesis has been that the Fed is going to such up whatever it can in the way of bad assets and collapse- it's really the strategy from the start, only they could never come out and say it; all those associated/linked will be assured a place at the new table, though they may have to wait to be seated for a while until the storm blows over.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:00 | 4185875 Silver_K-9
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And maybe a little Brass and Lead...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:40 | 4185904 ZerOhead
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Don't get sloppy and forget to finish the job off properly... you know... with the necessary oak stakes to be driven through their cold cash-infused hearts...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:18 | 4185909 DoChenRollingBearing
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Next up:


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:30 | 4185937 SRSrocco
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The Fed will probably go down the road of SELF-DESTRUCTION because there is no way it will allow itself to be abolished.  Once Yellen takes over the reign of the FED, this notion of TAPER will finally be thrown out the window right along with the exit of Ben Bernanke.

As I have stated several times, the FED can print and monetize currency... but they can't print barrels of oil, gold or silver.  That is why owning gold and silver will be one of the safest assets to hold when the U.S.S. Fed Titanic finally sinks:

CRITICAL FACTOR: The Real Reason To Own Gold

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:55 | 4186014 dryam
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In the Iran deal yesterday one thing Iran agreed to was to not sell oil for gold.  We all know the PM market is probably the most manipulated market.  This piece of Iran news cements in my mind the fact that gold will be manipulated to the bitter end, and I highly doubt the Fed will "lose control" as long as the U.S. has a dominant military.  Also, the U.S., Japan, Europe, Canada, Australia and the UK are all working together in this charade.  Owning much more than 10-15% of own's total assets in PM's makes no sense whatsoever at this point in time.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 19:37 | 4186464 Son of Captain Nemo
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"This piece of Iran news cements in my mind the fact that gold will be manipulated to the bitter end, and I highly doubt the Fed will "lose control" as long as the U.S. has a dominant military."...

On the price of gold continuing to be manipulated I couldn't agree more for all of the obvious reasons, but you lost me on the part about the Fed "not losing control" as long as the U.S. military continues to threaten anyone and everyone that doesn't keep USD's Reserve status intact.

Just how does the U.S. military continue doing that with more than 750 military bases Worldwide and sustain it's dominant naval presence through increasing it's foreign debt obligations after decades of continuous spending and now more recently 12 years of multiple unsuccessful wars with no end in sight?

I see the opposite.  It's unsustainable and has been for more than 10 years and it will be ending very shortly.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 21:14 | 4186657 Seer
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Glad to see that your view is accepted here (vs. when you'd submitted an article the other day- ZH folks can be quite fickle).

I know that it's convenient to view all these folks as being stupid, but as I'd stated in the past, if THEY are stupid then what does that make everyone else (who is subjugated to them)?  No, they are NOT stupid.  They've managed to prop things up and to reduce foreign exposure to our debt.  I do not believe that this is their game plan; I just believe that it's part of the trajectory/plan.  They HAVE to know/realize that it is certain that there will be some sort of restructuring.  Their actions have been to arrive at that point in the best position possible.  I believe that the restructuring will have to be so big/significant that it's highly unlikely that the Fed as we now know it would continue to operate post restructing- I've suggested that the Fed is actually working with this in mind.  Eventually the bankers take one for the team: if not then it's going to be the end of them and any hopes that they could have of rebuilding their positions.

"they can't print barrels of oil, gold or silver."  Or food... And this, my friends, is WHY the future signals its end.

Regarding your article, PMs are primarily the play for when you do not have the ability to apply "surplus" capital toward some wealth-generating endeavor.  That is, if you can INCREASE wealth then do it; if not, then the mode should be that of wealth preservation.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:11 | 4186170 logicalman
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Silver bullets for the vampire banksters.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 06:43 | 4187240 bullchit
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Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:56 | 4185987 fonestar
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Yes, only buy gold, silver, guns and ammo.  Because you know exactly how an economic collapse will play out and wind up.  Dismiss any alternative situations and attack them rabidly. 

This message has been endorsed by the Chris Duane know-it-all foundation.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:53 | 4186133 James_Cole
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I liked Rogers quote on BTC "I don't understand it, not interested in it, it's not that important"

Translation "Get off my lawn!!!"

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 19:13 | 4186420 fonestar
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Has Jim ever been bullish on anything tech-related?  He seems to understand macros, agriculture, commodities and gold.  Not to mention he has constantly denied and scoffed at the notion silver is manipulated downwards.

I don't doubt that Jim Rogers does not understand Bitcoin.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 21:20 | 4186669 Seer
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And do you NOT get it that Rogers is a conservative?

I own property.  I suppose that I could have opted for Bitcoins instead...  If I have guessed wrong then I'll still be on land that I wish to be on and engaged in producing food.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:58 | 4186828 fonestar
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Well just think how old is Jim?  Obviously a legendary investor but the circumstances that made today's great investors are all changing rapidly.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:54 | 4185863 max2205
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Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:10 | 4185891 Son of Captain Nemo
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Those legs of her's were built for staying airborne over her head.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:48 | 4186113 Papasmurf
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an ankle in each hand

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:25 | 4186324 Son of Captain Nemo
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While it's not a polite comment to make, if they're willing to wear leather skirts that require two hairdo(s) for a business journal show that should be selling something else -what else is a red blooded male supposed to say?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 19:50 | 4186495 Homernomics
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Keeping her legs over her head?


Whatever it take to get more blood flowing to her brain, lord knows it needs it!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:13 | 4185898 Angus McHugepenis
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Roger that...

Knew a Brit former SAS who always referred to any outcome in his favor as "I gave them/it/that deal/whatever a good rogering".

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:00 | 4186002 Wile-E-Coyote
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Yeah big improvement on the the high school munter who replaced Lauren Lyster. She just needs a boob job.

BTW Lauren can sit on my face anytime she likes.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:36 | 4186584 Pure Evil
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Does that mean you're a toilet?


(sorry couldn't help myself being Pure Evil and all)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:11 | 4186172 NOTW777
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absolutely amazing that 80% of posters on ZH have such corrupted minds that no matter the subject matter, within seconds they jump to perversion

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:01 | 4186280 SilverIsKing
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Is it perversion if everyone's doing it?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:12 | 4186302 NOTW777
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if all the sheep jump over the cliff, do you follow???

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:51 | 4186374 Mudduckk
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Why so serious? :)


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:23 | 4186559 NOTW777
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why so perverted?  ZH spends an enormous amount of effort, time and energy to bring cutting edge news and issues that 99% of the MSM ignore on financial, political and other issues and yet most of its posters talk and think like people committed to a sex offenders institution.  why do those people come here?  how can anyone not wonder why half the comments here, NO matter what the subject, immediately devolve into filth and perversion.  none of these "men" would talk or act like that in public.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 22:57 | 4186852 fonestar
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The articles posted on ZH are of excellent quality (especially like Chris Martenson and Simon Black) but if you write anything that doesn't fit the SHTF (eating squirrels and defending your gold with a shotgun) narrative you will be slammed by a bunch of ignorant baboons.  And we all know how ignorant baboons get the ladies... *bonk*.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:26 | 4186560 Chandos
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«absolutely amazing that 80% of posters on ZH have such corrupted minds that no matter the subject matter, within seconds they jump to perversion»


I must concur...and thank you NOTW for taking a few seconds  to point it out..

This is just one of the many ways that our civilization has periclited ; the objectivization of women is complete, with women being full participants, and spiritually vacant, dumbed-down little men doing their pavlovian best at sallivating over everything and anything...

Anyways...carry on.. 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:42 | 4186594 Pure Evil
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Yeah, and if all the salivating, monkey spanking ZH full retards were to move on to another website, exactly how many intellectual prick sucking elitists would be left to bait click the ZH website into profits.

Maybe you and NOTW777?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 21:07 | 4186644 Chandos
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Is it so elitist to point out one of the ways by which we are being owned?


Someone sure as hell profits - and in more ways than just financially - from our collective minds constantly being in the gutter...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 21:23 | 4186674 Seer
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Levity I suppose...  But then again, the sheeple seem to do quite a bit of the same (only us "sophisticated" folks think that they're doing it for stupid reasons, unlike when we do it...).

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:01 | 4186276 sixsigma cygnus...
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The Fed won't be abolished.  The Supreme Court will just rule that it is a tax and therefore a perfectly legal institution.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:43 | 4185827 Jam Akin
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Come to My Ade

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:09 | 4185890 Angus McHugepenis
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My rack is bigger but I would still walk a mile to drink her bath water.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:48 | 4186111 debtor of last ...
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Rogers said: i'm long, sugar.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:10 | 4186165 Jam Akin
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Hey Angus - good to see you.  Hope all is well over your way.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:22 | 4189648 Angus McHugepenis
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Jam: Belated reply... all is well. Been busy in cold Arctic air. Stay warm!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:44 | 4186601 Pure Evil
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But, would you walk a mile to spread her toejam on your english muffin?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:43 | 4185833 Save_America1st
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I miss Lauren Lyster...she rocked!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:55 | 4185867 OutLookingIn
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Agree. Lauren is one smart cookie! But she sold out and joined the MSM crowd, no doubt for more cash. So much for principles! Good investigative jounalism is dead. There are a few voices in the wilderness such as Mat Taibbi, but are few and far between. Instead we have "money honeys"!  

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:50 | 4186128 Papasmurf
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All this time I thought they called her the monkey honey.  "Do you know where your monkey is tonight"?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:45 | 4186604 Pure Evil
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He's rising at the sight of leather mini skirts waiting to be spanked.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:07 | 4185888 Yen Cross
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  Lauren Lyster    Enjoy ;-)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:17 | 4185905 OpenThePodBayDoorHAL
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Erin is hot in a slutty kind of way with the leather skirt and all...Lauren was hot in a cheerleader-y way. Maybe a two-fer. I'll be right back I gotta go do something...

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:25 | 4185928 DaddyO
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Made me laugh...+1


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:30 | 4185945 Clowns on Acid
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That is funny....

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:44 | 4185836 Sufiy
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John Kennedy And Jekyll Island: The Truth About The Federal Reserve

Bill Still has created the beautiful documentary about the Beast - Federal Reserve, which is as Federal as Federal Express. It is a long movie, but it could be one of your best investment. If you are still wondering how FED could be private, when so many people would like you to believe otherwise: facts in this documentary will be very interesting. FED holds very strong control over academia, education, mass media and politicians. Couple it with The Wall Street and you have the Real Monopoly On Power in action. Just note who are President Obama and Mitt Romney main campaign contributors - we will spoil this one - major Banks for Both of them.
Not a lot of people know that one of the acts by John Kennedy was to return the real US Dollars - issued by the U.S. Treasury and not by the private FED. This year we are commemorating 50 years from the date of the assassination of John Kennedy. We would like to note that it was 22nd of November of 1910 when:

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:51 | 4185982 Save_America1st
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another one regarding JFK and the Fed...pretty good write up at Silver Bear Cafe here:

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:56 | 4185986 Save_America1st
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Your link no longer works...Youtube killed it.

But I think this link is the same movie, right?  Maybe you can update your blogspot page to point to this one instead if it's the same as the one that is now blocked.

Bill Still - Jekyll Island: The Truth Behind the Federal Reserve

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:52 | 4186261 Sufiy
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Thank you!



Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:15 | 4186181 logicalman
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Bill Still sure knows his stuff.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:48 | 4185851 JustObserving
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The corrupt Indian government is being blackmailed by the NSA to sell their gold.  India is the fifth largest target of the NSA with 13.5 billion pieces of intelligence collected every month by the NSA.  No Indian politician has publicly protested this immense, illegal spying by the NSA.  How does it feel to be a digital colony of the USA, India?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:10 | 4186030 I am Jobe
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Will the Indians get rid of AMERIKANS CORP and keep the gols. They should dump the call centers and tell Amerikan Corp to suck thier dicks.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:32 | 4186085 WillyGroper
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Had a chat with a tech on an HB1 that was a bit of an eye opener. He told me that our rendition program smuggles captives thru Paki to India with the blessing of their govt. He said a frequent method of torture is now the insertion of a cylindrical piece of ice up the ol' exit. 

We're exceptional. 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:05 | 4186287 SilverIsKing
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That's why I prefer hot coffee over iced coffee.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 14:53 | 4185859 Seize Mars
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My God she is hot.

I'd love to make her squeal.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:26 | 4185921 ZerOhead
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I imagine the NSA, FBI, CIA and Homeland Security will likely fly her overseas for some much anticipated "Enhanced Interrogation Squealing Exercises" first...


After all... they already know what she likes

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:27 | 4185930 thatthingcanfly
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Dude, she's totally not that hot. I wouldn't tap that at all.

Instead, tive me a go with Janet Yellen any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Yeah baby.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:37 | 4185953 alphamentalist
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Your willingness to 'take one for the team' is unsurpassed

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:23 | 4186201 logicalman
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He's blind!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:50 | 4186616 Pure Evil
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Mr. Yellen is a man baby, yeah!

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:01 | 4185879 GrinandBearit
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She's flat chested, but wow.. her face is awesome.  Better looking than Lauren and better personality.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:39 | 4185959 formadesika3
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I like the way she rolled her tongue when she said "largest"

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:18 | 4186059 sosoome
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The flat chested remark may have caused the down votes. I didn't...I just chaulk it up to another lad who has no clue :)

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:35 | 4186222 Real Estate Geek
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Take those lemons and make some lemonaide, my friend!  Have her wear a plaid skirt.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:52 | 4186618 Pure Evil
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Tits are just for beginners, when you grow older you'll come to appreciate where the real action is.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:11 | 4185894 CrashisOptimistic
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When mortgages default in the trillions, smashing the money supply (of the higher than M1 aggregates), what choice is there but to increase the money supply?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:22 | 4185918 Jack Burton
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Maria Who? She is an old bag and these new slick chicks are blowing grandma Maria out of the water. Maria desreves to be put out to the old folks pasture over at FOX. You gotta be a male over 80 and mad and cranky to watch FOX, and they will think Maria is a hot chick.

Maria has been a mouth piece and a complete whore for this whole fake American crony capitalist market. Seriously, has Maria ever worked, other than use her slut mouth to kiss ass on the rich who get their money from the Fed? I'de like to see Maria that capitalist slut get a real taste f capitalism. Like in a Chinese sweat shop! That's right, markets, money and business aren't all about the board rooms and the Street. The real economy goes on out of the sight of whores like her. 99% of people serve the system as paid wage slaves. And wages are falling, benefits are extinct and she thinks this is good for the bottom line. Maybe, but in the end, business needs customers, and as all good jobs go into slave wage territory, the class of people able to buy from all these businesses shrinks. Sooner or later fewer and fewer people will be able to buy the McManisions, the SUV's the 100 inch HDTV, all the hand held devices. Food and a roof is about all a person on the new lower and lower wage pays. Imagine, if you get a great new job at an AMerican steel mill or car assembly plant, you will make about $12 an hour. Now, A couple years ago I took a part time $10 an hour hobby job to keep busy while I moved out of full time work to a quasi retired life. You make $10-12, add up a 40 hour week, and if you don't have a second income like me, you have money to eat and keep a roof over you, that is IT! If you get sick, you are finished! More and more Americans, even people with good corporate jobs are making that $12 an hour. As a consumer, a person on that wage scale isn't woth shit, he can't buy all this stuff corporate America thinks they can get rich selling.

A good top job at one of our ore processing plants used to pay $25 an hour and the company made huge profits, now in 2013, they start at $12 and can earn up to $15. That means these good job are now just one half on a dual income family. The woman MUST work full time. The two together might come near to what the man made 20 years ago. $20-25 an hour.

It is that simple, business with out a strong consumer class, is nothing. I now have a small business, run by me, the MOST important two things I need are A Consumer with an income and the chance to make them happy with what I offer them. So far, so good. But the real worry is will customers be around? I cater to the middle class and lower middle class. This should be the heart of America, but the people in this group is shrinking fast! Maybe I should invest heavily in the coming years and shoot for the upper middle class? I am thinking about it, making the shift to the well off consumer. Fewer customers able to pay more for the higher grade of service. The top 10% hasn't felt any hurt, so maybe that is my future target consumer?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:27 | 4185934 RaceToTheBottom
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Bullish Barter Businesses for the formerly Middle Class

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:30 | 4185940 Clowns on Acid
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 "The top 10% hasn't felt any hurt, so maybe that is my future target consumer?"

Jack -  if you really believe the above, then all you really are is late to the game. Try pulling yourself toward yourself.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:43 | 4186360 new game
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beware jack b. the shit is climbing the ladder - the signs are everywhere.

my advice, be creative and diversify into product and service that robots can not do.

services and goods that are must need.  even a vacuum cleaner is a must...

but a smart phone, hmmmm - lol.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 02:16 | 4187097 Freddie
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It is moving up the ladder.  The middle class is being wiped out while the upper middle class is feeling it now.

Things that people can delay are being hurt - bedding, furniture (killed), dentists and others sectors.  I remember the Staples and Home Depots of the world would be hopping.  They usually had customers who were small business people.  Their business is dying.  Golf courses are getting pounded.  As some mentioned here that ObamaCare will kill ski resorts.  Sadly, finding business niches that can thrive or survive is getting harder and harder.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:57 | 4186624 Pure Evil
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Sorry dude, but your rant is just that.

They don't need Merxikans anymore.

They have over 3 billion they can now swindle in Asia. Between the chinese, hindi, and the billion muslims they're trying to bring into the 21st century with our blood and treasure, they've got more up their sleeve stealing from them than to worry about a measly 300 million yokels still living in North America.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:23 | 4185925 RaceToTheBottom
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If the news is delivered by a girl with a short black skirt, people won't notice the news and will solder on.

If a fat lady without interesting looks delivers the bad news we will recognize it and our despair will increase.....


Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:43 | 4185969 formadesika3
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That is where communist Russia made its fatal error.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:59 | 4186001 RaceToTheBottom
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Agreed.  It is interesting that Russia now has news delivered by ladies that take off their clothes while reading the news.

Too late but not tooo little......

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:30 | 4185939 Jack Burton
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That girl's skirt is so hot I thought it would burst into flame! Makes me feel like a teenager looking at that. And to think, I once went to school with class rooms full of 17 year old blond godesses dressed like that! NO wonder I barely got through high school! My grades sucked so bad I thought I would have to join the Army when I graduated. The Navy recruiter gave me a test and found out my potential was light years ahead of my High School Grades and offered me the 6 year program as either a nuclear reactor or advanced electronic rating. I hate radiation so took the electronics rating. Seriously, how did anyone not gay get through the mini skirt era in high school?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 18:24 | 4186316 chump666
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I know she's gorgeous, but...I think, well...just watch the L Word DVDs.

That's all.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 19:44 | 4186476 Seize Mars
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Wait, you're saying she's a carpet muncher?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:30 | 4185942 suckerfishzilla
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The Indian temples should sell their Gold and buy bitcoin instead.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:33 | 4185948 disabledvet
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prices are falling...over production is the problem. would be interesting to see commodity prices denominated in yuan though...especially US produced oil. I still think China is in the midst of the greatest property bubble in human history...prices in Hong Kong are simply too incredible to believe. Singapore is still quite reasonable I hear.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:38 | 4185954 Yen Cross
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     Good Lord, I'm glad I'm not a female. JFC you're sizzling hot one decade, and burnt toast the next...

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 11:09 | 4186108 RaceToTheBottom
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Live by the looks, die by them as well.

Better to be plain jane with a brain.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:46 | 4185958 OneTinSoldier66
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"The world has consumed more than it produced for more than a decade"


Perhaps that is true. The problem I have with such a statement is that I have never met Mr. or Mrs. World.


If he is trying to say that The World has done something wrong, I don't get it. If he says The Fed has done something wrong, at least he is starting to get just a wee bit more specific and I can begin to understand.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:55 | 4185988 blindman
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the statement "the world..." doesn't make any sense and is
incoherent by itself. it requires an investigation and
definitions of terms beyond the scope of this lifetime.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:07 | 4186023 OneTinSoldier66
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Well, I hadn't watched the video. After watching the part where he makes that statement, and then says that inventories are low due to what he perceives(right or wrong) has been overconsumption for a decade now...


I believe he is just trying to point out something that he believes to be a fact. Nevertheless, I've still never met Mr. or Mrs. World, lol.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:10 | 4186032 blindman
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"we are the world, we are the children."
i guess they mean me too?
glad to meet you, you have been, hereby,

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:15 | 4186054 blindman
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and this link concerning the monopoly of the day feeding on "sovereigns"
and their duped populations.
The Creature from Jekyll Island: a Second Look at the Federal Reserve - G. Edward Griffin

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:42 | 4185962 fiftybagger
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Silver and Bitcoin.  TPTB don't like them ;-)


Silver For The People

The Bitcoin Channel

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:42 | 4185964 q99x2
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Yes. Abolish the FED Impeach the globalists. And get Krugman off of Bernanke's Bernanke.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:44 | 4185972 Bokkenrijder
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Alyona Minkovski is HOT:

She's smart, articulate and used to have her own show on RT, but is now at the HuffPost.

As for good ol' Jimbo: same old 'there will be a shortage of farmers' one-liners (has it ever occured to Jim that perhaps 1 machine nowadays does more work then what humans were capable of 30-40 years ago?), though unfortunately I have to agree with his call on gold. When the stock bubble bursts (as in 2008) gold will be dragged down along with it. That will be a perfect buying opportunity again IMHO, and not earlier.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:47 | 4186109 WillyGroper
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There's many farming jobs that machines cannot do.

Depend on the corporate agribusiness model? 

Not me.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:50 | 4185979 robertocarlos
Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:56 | 4185992 Caviar Emptor
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The grown ups in the room are going to print the money that we all will use to cause mass extinction. So it is written. 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 15:55 | 4185993 tony wilson
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dangerous talk mr rogers

rothschild fightin talk you might say.

In a picture, why Kennedy died. Why his idea must live again.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:19 | 4186061 blindman
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check this interview.
The Gary Null Show – 50th Anniversary of a Day That Shocked The World – 11/22/13
JFK Series: The motivation in the military and intelligence complex for eliminating JFK to continue the US’s war of aggression against Communism

James Douglas has been leading anti-war and anti-nuclear activist in the tradition of Thomas Merton beginning when he was a professor of religion at the University of Hawaii, a Christian theologian and author of “JFK and the Unspeakable.” This text has been considered by many as the single most authoritative work providing the motivation and historical rationale for the CIA and military industrial complex to eliminate President John Kennedy.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 20:48 | 4186609 Blood Spattered...
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Sorry, but this is historically inaccurate. The EO you mention simply allowed for silver certificates to be issued by treasury department, and in no way weakened the Federal Reserve. If JFK was serious about ending the Fed he could have campaigned for a revocation of the Fed's perpetual 100 year charter.

The most likely reason for JFK's assassination was his unwillingness to sign off on Operation Northwoods. He wouldn't play ball with helping stage muderous false flags, so the military blew his head off.  This is the clearest of motives available. Couple this with the fact that NOBODY bothers asking if military was behind the assassination, and you have the perfect plan and cover up. 

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:01 | 4186004 bugs_
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The Federal Reserve:

Born 1913

Died 2013

To be buried in secret so its grave doesn't get violated

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:15 | 4186050 Rimon
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Jim Rogers is an idiot. Some people consuming more than they produce has been clearly going on. But the world consuming more than producing is illogical

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:29 | 4186077 U4 eee aaa
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He is arguing that we are consuming excess inventories. There is no worries there though. Once they get low enough free market pricing will create supply to meet excess demand. Prices will go up to either increase supply or stifle demand. It always does. Then all the lies about benign inflation will go out the window

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:50 | 4186120 Rimon
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There is excess capacity in the world and until its liquidated or unless there is a new global baby boom - there won't be any inflation

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 21:59 | 4186730 Seeking Aphids
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We don't need a new global baby boom.....there are millions of people in Aisa/Africa/Europe/South America/Mexico and Buffalo NY that are clawing their way into the lower middle class....once they start consuming (and they are on the cusp) look out! If they only reach a 25% level of our consumption the global demand for commodities and food will skyrocket.......end of story. Stock up on Cheerios, Twinkies and all the other foods that you really like now while they are cheap. Don't be fooled by Western media bs stories. If you haven't lived in Asia (I have) you don't really understand the demographics. There are a great many people over there and they all want what we have got.

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 16:25 | 4186070 U4 eee aaa
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Wow, she is hot....but.....will someone please get that poor girl a sammich?

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:08 | 4186162 yofish
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I see the pic, Rogers takes another public shit.....

Sun, 11/24/2013 - 17:09 | 4186167 dogbreath
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she's a talking head

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