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Coincidence? Israel Launches Largest Ever Air Force "Exercise" The Day After Iran Deal

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We are sure it was all planned a long time ago but the irony is not lost on us. A day after the US pisses the Israelis off with a sorta kinda deal with Iran, for the first time in Israel’s history, the Israel Air Force launched the “Blue Flag” training exercise – an international air force exercise with participation by the US, Italian and Greek air forces.

 

Via Israeli Defense Forces blog,

This past Sunday, Nov. 24, the Israel Air Force launched – for the first time in Israel’s history – the Blue Flag international training exercise at the Ovda airbase in southern Israel. The large-scale international exercise is a joint exercise of the US, Italian and Greek air forces and will be held entirely in English. The exercise, which will continue through Thursday, Nov. 28, is a part of the IAF’s elite training program. The goal of the exercise is to improve Israel’s general air defense capabilities while learning together and cooperating with global allies.

 

US Ambassador to Israel, Dan Shapiro, was present at the opening of the exercise. “Israel lives in a dangerous neighborhood. We need the best equipped, best trained forces as possible to protect our people and our security,” he said. “We also need allies and we have great allies here…all training together and reinforcing a partnership that gets stronger with each passing year.”

Blue Flag

The exercise involves workshops that simulated enemy forces as well as training missions to identify anti-aircraft missiles. The exercise showcases the Israel Air Force’s aerial capabilities. Just last month, the IAF conducted a special long-range flight exercise in which squadrons practiced refueling planes in midair, testing the IAF’s ability to fly exceptionally long distances.

Watch as the IAF refuels midair: 

 

“For us, it is about training together,” a US Air Force soldier explained. “We have been leading up to this exercise for a couple years now. We’re here to continue to work together.”

“Blue Flag” has been in the works for over a year, and the IAF had conducted two training flights a day during the past six months in anticipation of the exercise, in addition to conducting a preparatory workshop earlier this year which had aerial teams train for flights conducted entirely in English.

 

 

Representatives from other countries observed the exercise, with the possibility of participating in future years.

 

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Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:24 | 4189655 navy62802
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They're getting ready for the invasion. It will happen soon.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:38 | 4189685 James_Cole
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Hate all you like, gotta give Kerry a bit of credit on this one. Thank gawd the neo cons + insane bibi were left out in the cold on this.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 00:06 | 4189748 Skateboarder
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So the Greek air force is parading around with the Joosians while the rest of their countrymen inject themselves with motor oil and battery acid. Nice. *golfclap*

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 00:53 | 4189816 john39
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At least the whole world can finally see that Israel is run by a bunch of raving psychopaths.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:50 | 4189963 Erudite Redneck
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At least one can see America is run by a bunch of perverted, Godless, sons of Satan.

AGENDA: Grinding America Down (Full Movie)

http://vimeo.com/63749370

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:03 | 4189987 ghengis86
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Who produced and funded the purchase of all thost toys Israel is paradaing about?   Oh yeah...oy vey...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:09 | 4189994 Erudite Redneck
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We were a nation founded on Judeo-Christian values.  Ofcourse we have supported Israel in the past, why would we not? 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:30 | 4190012 boogerbently
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I think it's a little ODD that Israel wasn't at this "historic" meeting.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 05:43 | 4190070 Urban Redneck
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You think Barry actually gives a shit about whether anyone in Iran lives or dies or he wants peace in the Middle East?

It's all about magic negro and his uncanny ability to make an unmitigated disaster about of a complex situation.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 06:45 | 4190099 negative rates
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Now we know who's been propping up the Greek economy, and why.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 08:18 | 4190151 GetZeeGold
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Record numbers of Americans opting for disability, everyone else gets forced to part time jobs, and Greeks getting AIDS on purpose for a little extra spending cash.....ain't socialism cool?

 

Oh yeah....and I'm pretty sure Kerry's deal doesn't mean jack to Bibi.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 08:36 | 4190197 Headbanger
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It's the old "nice cop, mean cop" routine here with the US and Israel on Iran.

The deal with Iran also draws another line in the sand with Iran and shows the US is at least willing to talk nice with them.

We offered Iran the olive branch and so if they step on it we can say we tried before we crush em!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:43 | 4190964 Erudite Redneck
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No I don't think he gives a shit about anyone but himself.

Sorry for the rant above.  I just watched that movie and am sick and tired of being politically correct.  I think most liberals/progessives/marxists, etc are Godless and promote homosexuality, etc to destroy the moral foundations of this nation.  I am tired of all the PC bullshit, I don't want athiest statests educating my children and telling them God is dead and homosexuality is ok.  I don't hate sinners I  do hate sin, however I do hate evil.  Saul Alinksy, one of Oliars heros dedicated his book to Lucifer.  The agenda to destroy America is real by the left.  Remove God from Gov, School, promote divorce, co-habitation, pornography as free speech, abortion, dumb down kids in school, promote a huge welfare state, etc.  I think the communists are having the last laugh and the American sheep are about to be led to the slaughter in grand communist style.

To tell you how bad it is going, I recently started working for a large national bank and upon a tour of the building I was told I could choose either the female bathroom or the male bathroom and no one would judge.  WTF!!!!!!!  BTW I quit the bank.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:35 | 4191164 Escapedgoat
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I used to be a virulent ANTI-Communist, however the more I had seen who was giving them the Description, I had another look of the meaning of THAT WORD (communist). The root of the word means somebody that is part of a COMMUNE. However, from observing the ones that professed to be communists NO HARM CAME FROM THEM (WEST EUROPE). When observing EASTERN BLOCK EUROPE, the ones calling themselves Communists were Parasites trying to survive on the back of other peoples labour.

 

Please can somebody give us the CORRECT DESCRIPTION  of the type that tries to live off the backs of innocent people?????

Thank you in advance.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:19 | 4191338 Erudite Redneck
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I don't have all the answers but I try to understand.  Commune or sharing is a high ideal and sounds great on paper.   It works great voluntarily, forced participation results in human abuses such as modern socialism or communism.  Watch the linked movie above, even the hardcore communists turn on the soft socialists when they get a chance.  The original disciples, Jews, who were followers of Jesus Christ, after the death and resurection of Christ, Jesus sent the Helper aka the Holy Spirit and after Pentacost (sending of the Holy Spirit) the Christians each gave freely of what they had, that is true communism if you will. 

Like Thatcher said, socialism is great until you run out of other peoples money.  Or in the case of the US when we run out of borrowing money, we will start forcing those with wealth to cough it up.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:45 | 4191206 halfawake
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Greece has a military?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:19 | 4189851 Maxter
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I am with you on that one.
I have no idea if the deal is just a trap or something like that.  But for once it looks like the US is trying to avoid wars.

First a deal with Syria and now with Iran.  I am not holding my breath, but maybe the clown in the whitehouse finaly understood that those war were useless.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:48 | 4189882 James_Cole
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zh commentators seem pretty split on whether Kerry deserves any credit or not. To be fair to the other side, the three qualities aipac is best known for are lack of influence in American politics, levelheadedness & thick skin. The fact that Kerry (to their mind) gave the Iranians a greenlight to turn Israel into a nuclear wasteland is unlikely to negatively impact aipacs opinion of him.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:24 | 4189923 Erudite Redneck
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We know from the bible that no country will be turning Israel into a nuclear wasteland.  Israel has God for protection, they don't need any help from the US.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:46 | 4189954 mick_richfield
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If their god protects them whether they are right or wrong, then I don't approve of their god.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:51 | 4189965 Erudite Redneck
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I don't think God needs Mick's approval.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 08:08 | 4190162 mick_richfield
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Then he should not send a fool here to lie for him.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 10:17 | 4190341 john39
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the demiurge is not God, the creator... it just pretends to be. Sadly, most of the world's population seems to have bought the lie... and at the top, the psychopaths who run the show, simply sold the rest of us out.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 07:09 | 4190118 PT
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When the Israelites obey God, they get his protection.  When they disobey God, He lets them be overthrown by their enemies.  The OT did not demonstrate this once.  It displayed it umpteen times.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 07:19 | 4190125 PT
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The New Testament summed it up with the words of John The Baptist:  "You think you're special because you're the sons of Abraham?  God could turn these rocks into sons of Abraham!"

The school captain might be the school's "chosen one", but that doesn't automatically make him innocent.  He will be all the more held accountable for his sins because he should have known better.   

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 10:22 | 4190348 john39
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who do you think created the whole "chosen" meme anyway?  to me, its all total nonsense.  used to mind control both jews and non-jews alike.  God the creator doesn't need to 'chose' some minority cultural/religous group to do his bidding here.  God doesn't play favorites on the basis of race.   and i seriously doubt that God is OK with isreal stealing palestinian lands, central banking, wars etc.    that all sounds alot like someone else that shows up a fair amount in the bible as well...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 18:58 | 4192112 johansen
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this might help you out: Israel wasn't "chosen" to be special. they were "chosen" to be priests to the rest of the planet.

they failed misserably, but God raised them up in the last days to keep his promise to all of about 3? people in the OT. take a guess how he did it, just to make this point obvious... rothschild sons of sam...

to understand why Jesus and Paul had such harsh words to say about the "Law" was because the jews were living under their own law, the "Laws" that the jews were living under at the time could fill up two or three "bibles" worth of text, of which the Torah, which is the only "Law" they were supposed to follow (through faith, but they failed at that too, romans 9:30..), is but 5%.

also, the bloodline had to be preserved because there were nephilim on the planet, and might still be here, so technically God is playing favorites.

also, the Hebrews were probably black.. but that's a conspiracy even ZH might choke on...

 

btw, as for myself i'm starting to look at the scriptures again and i'm convinced that what many interpret as arrmaggeddon is just WWIII, and that's between china, russia, united states, japan, north korea.

I think you have to wait for mind controlled exoskeletons and for man to figure out how to transfer his soul to an "artificial carrier" and "live forever" inside a robot before the Creator says enough of this bullshit lol...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 22:54 | 4192683 PT
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They seem pretty resilient.  Either they "were chosen", or they "just evolved that way".  What to believe, what to believe? - It's all been one long multi-millenial string of luck?  Have fun trying to stamp 'em out.  Maybe God will be on your side or you'll get lucky next year.

As I explained above, just because they are "chosen", does not mean that they are not held accountable for their actions.  Similarly, just because others are "not chosen", doesn't mean they "can never" be chosen.  That was the point of JC's visit.  Either way, do what is pleasing to God, and things should turn out all right.  But if you run as fast as you can towards a cliff, don't be surprised when you fall off the cliff.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 09:06 | 4190237 JungleJim
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Erudite Redneck, I guess you don't read too much, " ... they don't need any help from US.", take a look at American aid to Israel and defend your statement.

 

PS: also a "Redneck" but I can read.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 10:13 | 4190335 czardas
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As nutty and irrational as Iran's theocracy is - and despite the suicidal nature of Islam - I can't believe they'd destory the Persian nation which is exactly what would happen if a nuke went off in Israel.   ZH fans are in a bind.  Despite the machinations of the evil Jews, a deal was struck and it's all due to efforts of our honest, trustworthy and honorable president whose world views have proven so correct.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:31 | 4190013 TheObsoleteMan
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You have been deceived. The whole Kerry treaty is a ploy. There has never been a time since 1898 that the USA has not sought war or military intervention. That is what empires do, understand that. No, Kerry has signed an agreement he knows is a set up. When I saw Bebe ranting like he did, Shakespeare's old line came to mind:"The lady doth protest too much." The whole thing smells like a rat.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 12:19 | 4190607 NeedtoSecede
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And Kerry and Oworthless did nothing but show up to take credit and for the photo op--to try to head off another PR win for Putin and Co.

We are clueless fools.  Not taking up for Israel, KSA, or Iran either.  The MIC will be able to draw this out and turn into even more "national security" spending and foreign military aid.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 09:51 | 4190296 flapdoodle
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I just hope its not "plausible deniability" so Obama can say he had nothing to do with it when Israel hits Iran on its own (with of course covert support from UK, USA and SA)

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 00:24 | 4189772 Son of Captain Nemo
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You better hope and pray it don't happen.

If you're a Yid that supports the Zionist State?  Here's your assault rifle and parachute.  Go for it!

If your a U.S. solider then Don't follow orders after what you've already done disgracing your uniform in Iraq and Afghanistan for the past 12 years.

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:00 | 4189830 mjcOH1
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"If your a U.S. solider then Don't follow orders after what you've already done disgracing your uniform in Iraq and Afghanistan for the past 12 years."

Behold the fucktards that are your countrymen. Thank you for your sacrifice. As you can see, it was appreciated.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:13 | 4189844 Son of Captain Nemo
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mjc0H1

Scroll down and read my other comment.

If you love the State of Israel so much turn in your U.S. military uniform and join the IDF.  If you decide to fight alongside them after what they've done to this Country especially after 9/11 you're a traitor.

We both know what Iraq and Afghanistan was about and those who serve in the U.S. Armed Forces certainly do.

 

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:47 | 4189958 Erudite Redneck
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I am a follower of Jesus Christ, and am seriously considering moving my family to Israel.  It will be the safest place on the face of the earth.  I have never heard of any nation fighting against God and winning.  Besides America is becoming a cesspool of anti semites, homos, pornographers and God haters.  Enjoy your coming judgement.  If God does not judge America he will have to apologize to Sodom, AKA sodomy and Gamorrah.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:00 | 4189983 Son of Captain Nemo
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You're a nut.

As are the vast majority of Christian evangelical "wingnuts" that buy the Zionist trap to bring your money to a Country you're already supporting as a malevolent war machine and cradle to grave provider to the each and every Zionist with your American tax dollars.

If we light 'em up in the next one with Iran and Syria, all I can say is I hope you will be looking forward to your front row seat to the Almighty sittin on top of that Russian mushroom cloud.

Hope I get to watch you vaporized before it comes my way.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:15 | 4189997 Erudite Redneck
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And you are a fool.  Obama leaves out God when reciting the Gettysburg address, is that the commander in cheif you want to follow into war.

I am not for any war, especially with Syria or Iran.  I support Israel.  Read Revelations, Russia will attempt to attack Israel.  God said he will place hooks in their mouths and draw them to Israel and then God will fight for Israel and wipe out, Iran, Turkey, Russia, et al.

I don't think the US needs to be in any other wars, we have caused enough death and destruction in the ME based upon lies.  Bush and Obomba are equally guilty.  But this website is full of anti semites and most here hate the Jews and Israel and tell lies that would make Hitler blush.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:23 | 4190006 Bay of Pigs
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You've been here all of 7 weeks and you are calling people out as "anti semites"? I believe we have an AIPAC troll here.

Either that, or you are just plain dumb.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:28 | 4190008 Erudite Redneck
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I have been reading the comments for a lot longer than 7 weeks.  I can assure you that I am a follower of Jesus Christ.

Here is some of what I listen to:

David McGee

http://www.crossthebridge.com/broadcast/archives.php

 

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God is not finished with Israel.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:34 | 4190016 boogerbently
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....(in my best Cool Hand Luke Warden impression)

What we got here, is Gog and Magog.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 06:51 | 4190104 negative rates
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A God you don't believe in will treat Isreal just like all the other country's, there is no preference in this land of plenty.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 10:06 | 4190318 Ratscam
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listen to George Carlin's masterpiece Religion.
it might help you on your way to knowing instead of believing. just saying.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:13 | 4190832 Erudite Redneck
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Religion is man made rules of what man can do to get to heaven.  If you read the words of Jesus I am pretty sure he was against man made rules and traditions.  When the desciples asked Jesus what works must we do to be saved Jesus said believe on the One whom sent Jesus.  That simple, belief of God and his Son Jesus who is called Immanuel (God with us) and you receive the gift of eternal life.  You don't have to give money, or go to church or anything else, you are no longer under the law once you are saved through faith.  The Apostle Paul said all things are now lawful for me yet all things are not profitable, hence is good to avoid the consequences of sin and it is good to gather with other believers, etc.   I have not listened to everything Carlin ever said but if he critized religion he was probable accurate.  Saying stuff like Hail Mary and wearing your Sunday best will not save you.  God said man judges by appearances but God judges the heart.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 06:21 | 4190090 jovius
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'If you’re going to quote from the Book of Revelation,

Don’t keep calling it the Book of Revelations.

There’s no “s”, it’s the Book of Revelation As revealed to St John the Divine

See also Mary Hopkin.  She must despair'.

 

Half Man Half Biscuit 'Shit Arm, Bad Tattoo'.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:28 | 4190901 Erudite Redneck
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Sorry brother, I am a redneck.  You are correct the book is a revealing of Jesus Christ, the Alpha and the Omega by St John the Apostle who also penned the gospel the book of John.  He is by far one of my favorite Christian witnesses.

Sat, 11/30/2013 - 05:29 | 4201563 TheGrandChessboard
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Israel is a one bomb state. Where was your god last time hitler killed six million, he didn't care. You really think god is going to protect the Jews and send your Christian's off to Heaven. When Israel turns to ashes what are you going to think, will you admit you were wrong and repent for your sins

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 11:47 | 4190547 RaceToTheBottom
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Hey you don't need to go all the way to Israel for Israel.  You can have the US version in Utah.

Haven't you kept up on your reading?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:08 | 4190799 Sonic the porcupine
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What were / are the Iraq and Afghanistan engagements about? I'm still not sure what Iraq was about, I think Afghanistan was about finding Osama bin Laden, although it became destabalizing the region and setting up a puppet gov.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:51 | 4189889 James_Cole
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Thank you for your sacrifice. As you can see, it was appreciated.

Couldn't ship the soliders out fast enough, cheering and flags waving.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:51 | 4189957 Son of Captain Nemo
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True. But this was an all volunteer force and still is. 

Fuck the flag waivers and yellow ribbon wearers. They aren't involved. And if they cared they wouldn't have been cheering after the Downing Street Memo, Chilicot Report and AE 911 Truth came out 6 years later.  Most of the individuals in the ICs especially DIA knew from the start it was a false flag. And after all of this we're still violating every international rule of engagement we signed up to?

The real heroes in the U.S. Armed Forces are the ones that disobey the orders they know are illegal.

Where are all the Pat Tillman's and Bradley Manning's that were willing to face a dishonorable discharge or worse because they knew what they were doing and the reasons they went to war were all based on lies?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:53 | 4189969 Erudite Redneck
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Glad to see that you fight for Godlessness and Hate.  God said he would bless those that bless Israel and He would curse those that curse Israel.  Enjoy the coming internal collapse of your great nation, the has been that no longer supports Israel.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:16 | 4189992 Bay of Pigs
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You are completely full of shit. You listen to Zionist warmonger nutters like John Hagee or what?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:22 | 4190005 Erudite Redneck
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If you are a Christian that is great.  A big lie in some circles of Christian theology is called replacement theology, that the Christian church has replaced Israel. I can assure you that Israel is God's time piece and God still has promises to fulfill to Israel.  I don't listen to Hagee.  If you just read the verses I posted from Revelations you have to ask why does Satan still pursue Israel to try and wipe them out if the Christian Church has replace Israel.  It makes no sense.  The Jews have been pursecuted throughout history by those that serve Satan, again those verses prove this.  Study brother so you do not get decieved.

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:31 | 4190014 Erudite Redneck
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BTW, my support of Israel does not mean I support war of any kind.  I truely beleive God will fight for Israel just as John's revealing of Jesus Christ indicates. 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:38 | 4190019 boogerbently
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Are Christians, or are Jews Gods people?

Jews don't follow Christ.

I have trouble reconciling these two facts.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:47 | 4190024 Erudite Redneck
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see my remarks further down the page.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 06:52 | 4190105 negative rates
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Why bother? You're getting completely trashed right up here.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 08:28 | 4190188 PT
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Re Are Christians or Jews God's people?:

Both.  Don't like that answer?   Then try, "You will know them by what they do." 

That's it.  That's all you need to know:   "You will know them by what they do."

Too many people try to assert that God is smaller than what He is.  God knows which souls are worth saving, regardless of all the lables and nonsense that humans like to manufacture in a futile attempt to escape the truth.  We can say whatever we like.  At the end of our lives, the truth is written all over the deeds we performed and the decisions we made.

"Oh, I would never do something like that!"
"Well, actually, you did.  Several times over the course of your life."  Life gives you enough rope with which to hang yourself.

If they beg for money, then they are money beggars.  If they indulge in rituals, then they are ritualists.  If they fight, then they are fighters.  If they act holy, then they are holy.  If you choose not to seek God, then you chose not to seek God.  If you tried but then gave up, God knows the exact point and reasons behind you giving up.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:37 | 4190017 Bay of Pigs
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I know the Bible and I know what Christ taught. I have many Jewish friends, and I don't hate anyone. But you seem to broadbrush people without even blinking an eye. Calling ZHers "anti semites" isn't even close to the truth. I know, I've been here 3 and half years. People here are interested in truth and justice, not racism.

Self righteousness isn't the way to go when it comes to religion. Try another approach.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:57 | 4190029 Erudite Redneck
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Sorry if I come accross as self reighteous but I have been reading this site for several years as well.  Most ZHers are here for financial and political truth but foreign relations and world affairs including religion are also important. But just read any thread that mentions Israel and the majority of comments are anti semitic.  The nuts on this site constantly blame the jews for 9-11, the banking crisis the ME wars and a lot of holocaust deniers.  Most accusations are without merit, just blame the jews.  Sounds eerily similiar to a guy named Hitler.  Wont be long before we can start rounding them up for concentration camps and get the ovens warmed up.  I know the Jews are not without fault, especially the way the palestinians are treated but we can't throw out the baby with the bath water.  Israel is unique in that they have been almost exterminated several times through out history, I can understand why they might be paranoid of an Iranian nuclear bomb.  But look at the whole ME, the US upset the balance of power by taking Iraq out.  If I am not mistaken the Saudis along with Oman and Quatar, etc are just as concerned about an Iranian bomb.  I personally love the Persian people and culture however I do have no love for the current regime running the country.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 04:09 | 4190037 James_Cole
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Take note of this bop, what an actual troll looks like:

http://www.zerohedge.com/search/user_comments?name=Erudite+Redneck

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 04:21 | 4190045 Erudite Redneck
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A troll for Jesus Christ, then that is me.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 04:44 | 4190056 James_Cole
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Jesus is so hardup for souls / cash he's hiring trolls to annoy people on zh? End times for real.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:06 | 4191050 Erudite Redneck
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I am a slave for Christ my wages are eternal life.  Who do you follow?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 06:54 | 4190109 negative rates
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If Jesus saves, then he had better save himself.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:03 | 4191036 Erudite Redneck
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Interestingly, the thieves hanging on the cross among others at the foot of the cross said the same thing.  Jesus did save himself, He is risen.  For God so love the world he gave his only begotten Son that who so ever should believe on Him should have everlasting life.  I think you should seek Jesus and he will save you.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:58 | 4191993 FeralSerf
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If "He is risen" and "God so love the world he gave his only begotten Son", then G_D must be an reneging Indian giver (apologies to Indians).

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 07:59 | 4190146 PT
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Take the lid off the pressure cooker and the pressure won't build up.

I am a Christian but I welcome the "anti-semite" stuff on ZH.  Not because I necessarily agree, but because if we ignore it then another Hitler really will rise again.  When the "anti-semites" are wrong, show 'em they're wrong.  If you can't do that, you will never solve anything and you will lose all credibility.  Read Mein Kampf.  Now look at what is happening in the world today.  Hitler is spinning in his grave because the problems he tried to solve have all reappeared.  Perhaps he would have had better luck if he had started by killing the richest bankers instead of the nearest, most convenient Jews.

When Jews are guilty, they need to be punished just like everyone else.  Likewise, we shouldn't turn a blind eye to the guilty who are not Jews.  But if we pretend that all Jews are innocent then it is only a matter of time before the plebs start demanding the gas ovens again.  Take the lid off the pressure cooker.

The anti-Jews here will readily show you the reasons for their views.  If you can't refute them then you can't complain.

P.S.  I don't like Hitler.  I do not agree with everything he wrote in Mein Kampf.  But anyone who reads it should realize that some of his complaints have returned to this world and if we do not confront the problems he recognized, then his solutions will once more be put on the agenda.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:05 | 4191047 Rafferty
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Despite widespread misconception, Mein Kampf says nothing about killing Jews. Hitler spoke about expelling Jews from the Reich, not killing them.  The notoriously misquoted reference to 'gassings' were when he said that, had the 'financial parasites' who destroyed Germany during WW I to face the chlorine gas that he and his comrades had, they would have thought and and acted differently.

For the record I'm no fan at all of AH or his government (to put it mildly) but the stuff we've been fed about them is only fit for cartoons.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 23:11 | 4192710 PT
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True, AH didn't say to kill the Jews, but his hatred for them was quite clear.  He called them the parasites of the world.  He said that they destroy their hosts, and if forced to live only amongst themselves then they would destroy each other.

Now look at the way modern banking works.  If that is not the parasitism of which Hitler spoke, then what is?  Now look at the people who complain about how many Jews are involved in banking and MSM.  I haven't run the numbers myself so I cannot say whether their fears are real or misplaced.  But the only conclusion is that if Hitler were alive today, he could make the same speeches he made 70-80 years ago and get the same result. 

Wed, 11/27/2013 - 05:44 | 4193168 Rafferty
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I see it as perfectly natural that a cognitive elite such as the Jews will achieve influence and ownership at a disproprotionately high rate. But the degree of ownership and control they currently exert in the financial, political, academic and media spheres is so outlandishly disproportionate that it gives one cause for concern.

I have a horrible feeling that this is not going to end well......

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:09 | 4191063 Erudite Redneck
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The world does not have a Jew problem, a banker problem or a government problem or a gun problem, the world has a sin problem. 

Blaming a certain group of people for your woes will certainly lead to a repeat of the Holocaust.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:25 | 4191126 FeralSerf
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How can the world have a sin problem? Don't you claim that Jesus died for the our sins? Isn't His death enough?

As we all should know by now from all the messages that Hollywood and their propaganda partners have been spoon feeding us nightly, it is The Brown Skin People that are the problem. And The Answer is to Kill Them All, (and let G_D sort them out).

P.S. Fuck you.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:29 | 4191375 Erudite Redneck
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His death is more than enough, but not everyone will believe or accept his forgiveness.  Kind of sad that people are perishing with their pride.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 21:20 | 4192485 FeralSerf
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Aren't you so-called Christians claiming that Jesus is NOT dead? Is this a Schrodinger's Jesus, i.e. dead and not dead?

How could it be that "not everyone will believe or accept his forgiveness"? Doesn't G_D create our future? Haven't the Calvinists convinced you of that yet? And since there cannot therefor be free will, is it not G_D's will that "not everyone will believe or accept his forgiveness"?

Are you saying that there's something wrong with G_D's will?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 09:39 | 4190286 Parisnights
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Please Bay---Francis was so antisemitic he could make Goebbels blush.. Not sure why he's gone but I'm sure he STRUGGLED to keep his rants in line.

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 21:22 | 4192492 FeralSerf
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I never thought Francis was even a little bit anti-Semitic. Anti-Zionist, perhaps, but not anti-Semitic.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:10 | 4190820 Sonic the porcupine
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I do think there are a number of anti-semites here on ZH. Why am I wrong?

Disclosure, I'm a recovering neo-con, who has a hard time letting go of Zion.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:29 | 4191136 FeralSerf
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You are NOT wrong. The Zionists are, by definition, anti-Semites (they kill Semites and confiscate their real estate), and the Zionists are well represented on ZH and on the rest of the internet as well.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 07:30 | 4190132 ptolemy_newit
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what about the other 50 billion planets ? would they be Israel?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:13 | 4189845 The Heart
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"They're getting ready for the invasion. It will happen soon."

Go Navy!

Yessir, you got it!

Everybody knows that when the deceivers say peace, they mean war.

Stay tuned for anything, any time. These evil ones in the babylonian govts like to do things on American holidays.

For all anyone knows, this all might be another distraction from the approach of ISON to the sun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4pRPOIfc_g&feature=c4-overview&list=UUxz...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk2oaz7FeS8&feature=c4-overview&list=UUTi...

Or who knows, maybe it's even a dodge ball to evade the crash in March.

http://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/has-the-us-dollar-lost-its-credibili...

Could be the fukushima thing is getting so bad, it may go 'pop! goes the weasel' any day now.

http://enenews.com/editors-fukushima-giving-worlds-top-nuclear-scientist...

For whatever reasons there are for this latest bantering and rabble rousing, moar war for the whores it is. Do they know any other way?

It's all so simple to SEE, and so all planned according to the despicable banksteronian murderous agendas.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xff-N5mVLD0#t=169

EVERYBODY KNOWS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9F8QM3tjkTE&feature=related

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 11:07 | 4190426 Jumbotron
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First Iraq,

Then Syria

Next....Iran

Go Israel !!!!

Managers of the insane asylum since 1948.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:28 | 4189657 IridiumRebel
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Come on! Strike! Start the fucker! You know you want to! All I want for Christmas is WORLD WAR III !!!!!!!

/s

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:26 | 4189659 Rock On Roger
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I didn't understand, is Dan Shapiro the United States' Ambassador to Israel or Israels' ambassador to United States?

Who was he talking of when he said 'we' need the best trained force to protect 'our' people?

 

 

Stack On

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 00:40 | 4189789 TruthInSunshine
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Dan Shapiro is a dual citizen with a true allegiance & affinity that runs much deeper to and for a nation other than the United States, but who will cling to or leap onto whatever boat is still floating in the aftermath...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:45 | 4189952 Raymond K Hessel
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Citizenship are stoopid.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:00 | 4189982 Erudite Redneck
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I appears those commenters above have been educated in the US failed education system the one that employs the communist vision of removing God from our public schools.  Study the foundations of this once great nation.  We are founded upon Judeo-Christian beleifs.  All of our founding fathers were Chistians whose first half of the bible is composed of the Hebrew scriptures.  The US used to be inseperable from Israel.  Our Marxist God Hating president has turned his back on supporting Israel and it seems pretty easy to do since the hate spouted here on ZH would make Hitler blush.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 06:17 | 4190087 blabam
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Fuck Israel.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 09:30 | 4190266 superflex
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^This

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 11:12 | 4190438 Jumbotron
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"Fuck Israel"

HAHAHAHAHAHHAAAAA !!   LOL !!   ROTFLMAO !!!!

Ok junior.....back to bed....here's a nice warm glass of organic milk.

This is why you stupid Gentiles (and I am a Gentile too by the way) feel like you are being led by the nose by the itty bwitty Jews.......01% of the global population.  You don't know jack shit about Hebrew history.

Nearly 6000 years of Hebrew history......and the Gentiles STILL can't kill them off.....STILL can't produce as many Nobel prize winners.....STILL can't make the desert bloom the way they did.....STILL can't destoy them even though they have been RINGED around with insane Moozies since 1948 with the backing by the turd world Rooskie barbarians.....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.....rage on fucking stupid Gentile anti-semites, edoomacated in your government schools.  LOL !!!!!!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 12:51 | 4190727 john39
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obama won a nobel prize...   so much the nobel prize as serving as a solid indicator for greatness.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 06:57 | 4190110 negative rates
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Perhaps their are to many jewish lobbists controling congress and our bad laws. Where would the blame be placed then?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 12:42 | 4190691 dog breath
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Don't blame the lobbyists. They are using what is available to them like any business would do to survive.  Just like unions do, people calling their mayor, etc.  Blame Congress for voting on lobbyist interests rather than the majority interests...or the voters for electing these aholes.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:16 | 4191088 Erudite Redneck
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If the Jews or the Corporations or special lobby groups like ACORN, etc have to much power then deal with fixing our political system.  Money buys influence,  and we have some of the best coin operated politicians in the world.  If a jew breaks a law then call placeholder over at the DOJ to prosecute but don't blame the whole population for the sins of a few. 

 

Want to get really angry watch the following at netflix:

Death by China

This frank documentary chronicles the growing power and global ambitions of China, and concludes that its strength threatens America's own future. The film views the loss of American jobs to China as one more facet of a one-sided economic rivalry.

_____________________________

The SCOTUS rules corporations are people and have free speech rights and can give unlimited amounts of money to coin operated politicians.  However the SCOTUS forgot to mention Multinational Corporation Persons do not have American citizenship and their unlimited campaign contributions may as well be coming form the likes of the communist party of china.  Corporations have no allegiance to America, only to the almighty dollar.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 23:29 | 4192763 PT
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China will rise because US corps actively helped them to rise while simultaneously actively destroying the US.  China knows that the treacherous US corps will also turn on China when there's dollars to be had by moving on.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:26 | 4189661 CashCowEquity
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Nothing to see here. Move along. 

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:28 | 4189663 mayhem_korner
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Did they have Kenny Loggins belting out Danger Zone over the PA system during the exercise?

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:47 | 4189702 LetThemEatRand
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I think they skipped that and went directly to a gay Scientologist belting out Lost That Loving Feelin' to a lesbian in an elite Navy pilot bar. 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:06 | 4189993 ghengis86
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Well, you've certainly earned your up arrows and down arrows with your time on the 'Hedge, regardless of what anyone thinks.  For that, you get another +1

Now where's Francis when you need him...?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 00:58 | 4189826 Zero Point
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I believe Iran still has a squadron of Tomcats, probably more fitting if they play it.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:28 | 4189668 Illya Kuryakin
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Of course it's a coincidence - even dumb ass conspiracy theorist would know that.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:29 | 4189672 gold mans sack
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Largest "Exercise" Ever?  Did all of AIPAC lobby every congressman at once?

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:32 | 4189673 machineh
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When will the U.S. stop subsidizing the world's most dangerous, aggressive rogue nuclear state -- ISRAEL?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 00:21 | 4189768 Rock On Roger
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I thought the earth's most dangerous, aggressive, rogue, nuclear state was United States of America.

I bet another six billion or so human beings would agree with me.

 

You are greedy bullies and the rest of us on earth have had enough.

 

 

Stack On

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 00:55 | 4189820 mjcOH1
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"I bet another six billion or so human beings would agree with me."

No. I just think you're full of shit.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:12 | 4189847 Rock On Roger
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Oh yeah, I'm full of it, got it on my boots too.

 

Stack On

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:20 | 4189853 ebworthen
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You'll be saying that about China in the not-too-distant future.

China just expanded their national defense air zone off their Eastern coast to include the Senkaku islands, Japanese air space, South Korean air space, and commercial flight zones from Japan to Taipei.

They want permission from any plane in that air space or they will scramble fighters.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:28 | 4189863 Rock On Roger
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Naw, they'll just scramble a sortie of 834,658 drones to deal with the naval task force steaming their way. And that will be just the first wave. Hope you guys shoot straight.

 

Stack On

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 06:02 | 4190079 Ar-Pharazôn
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yeh. sources?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 06:00 | 4190078 lakecity55
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I think you should say the USG.

Constitutional Americans have a serious problem with the current traitors.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:33 | 4189674 Blazed
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Sure the Israelis are mad at the US, like they don't dictate US foreign policy. This is just another "paid for by the US taxpayer" operation, the same for the last 65 years. Hell, the Israelis don't really need their army of hasbarats and built in dual-citizen spies, we openly send them all the funding, weapons, and intelligence they need, plus some extra.

http://forward.com/articles/186301/biggest-barrier-to-peace-is-unlimited-funds-given/

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:36 | 4189676 CashCowEquity
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Wtf? Does IsraHell have naked pics of our politicians or something? Blackmail?

We give them too many fucks, when we shouldnt give any.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:50 | 4189964 mick_richfield
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You know, I think it might be quite a bit worse than naked pics.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:35 | 4189680 Zero Point
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Blue on Blue!!

USS Liberty here we come.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 00:00 | 4189730 squexx
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With allies like Israel, who spy on us, sink our ships, conduct espionage against US citizens, sell our secrets to our enemies, sell drugs like Ecstasy in the USA, subvert the US Government political process, control the media and Wall St, etc... Who needs enemies?

Israel is NO ONES ally! Least of all the USA!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:56 | 4189891 Solarman
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Good thing we don't do that to our allies.  LOL

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:38 | 4189682 squexx
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Isn't it amazing all the trouble this shitty little tribe and this shitty little country cause on this planet? Maybe the guy with the funny little mustache was right after all!

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:45 | 4189703 Jack Burton
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Sadly, more and more people are thinking just that way. One wonders what Europe is thinking when Israel has dozens if not a hundred nuclear warheads targeted on every major city in Europe. They have openly said that if they get into war and start to lose it, they will take veryone down with them. I remember a direct quote to the effect that "Next time we take everybody down". I believe this is why Israel has such a huge, modern and deliverable force of nuclear weapons. They face no enemy with the bomb. Pakistan can't control it's postion with India, those nukes are aimed at India's nukes.

We must not mention Israel because of what happened to European jews at the hands of Hitler's Germany. One wonders why we are held hostage by German crimes. I would like to know the answer to that one.

Mon, 11/25/2013 - 23:58 | 4189724 Skateboarder
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- Subspecies arranges plan to destroy entire subspecies, but not really duh.
- Subspecies, helped by good vs evil fighters from all other subspecies, comes out alive.
- Subspecies, immune to scrutiny having survived threat of extinction, do what it want.

What kind of subspecies would do that!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:47 | 4189881 The Heart
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"What kind of subspecies would do that!"

Hummm gee Mr. Wizard, could it be a lizard?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:56 | 4189843 Blazed
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Oh yes, what happened to European Jews during WWII. Well, they were kicked out of their financial, social, and political choke hold positions in Germany and then made to do physical labor, while waiting to be shipped to Madagascar. Less than 300K died, primarily of typhus, and direct allied bombing, as well as the consequential disease and malnutrition toward the end of the war.

It is why Winston Churchill, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and Charles De Gaulle never mention any "Jewish holocaust", genocide, or mass gassings in their memoires and 7000 pages of voluminous writings about the war. 

"Three of the best known works on the Second World War are General Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe (New York: Doubleday [Country Life Press], 1948), Winston Churchill's The Second World War (London: Cassell, 6 vols., 1948-1954), and the Mémoires de guerre of General de Gaulle (Paris: Plon, 3 vols., 1954-1959). In these three works not the least mention of Nazi gas chambers is to be found."

"Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six volumes of Churchill's Second World War total 4,448 pages; and de Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find no mention either of Nazi "gas chambers," a "genocide" of the Jews, or of "six million" Jewish victims of the war."

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v17/v17n2p19_Faurisson.html

It is also why the 3 volume ICRC(International Committee of the Red Cross) report published in 1948, where the ICRC had representatives in the work camps since 1942, mentions nothing about genocides, gassings, or a "Jewish holocaust".

http://truedemocracyparty.net/2012/06/red-cross-expose-jewish-holocaust-hoax/

What we really got was the Jewish narrative of a Second Holocaust, kind of like the First Holocaust, before, during, and after WWI.

http://www.vho.org/GB/Books/tfh/

http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?page_id=6

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:07 | 4189902 disabledvet
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You seem to have left out the German accounts. Same goes for the trial after the war. You've heard of "the Nuremberg Trials" right? Goehring never said they didn't do it. I've actually been to the training camp for "concentration camp guards" north of Berlin. Worth a look...and we did intern Japanese Americans in the USA as well btw...and the Supreme Court...and Justice Felix Frankfurter...ruled that as Constitutional I might add. I can't speak to why the President is doing what he's doing...perhaps there are certain historical issues at work...who knows. I always loved that line in Apocalypse Now where the Colonel looks at the 17 year recruit and upon the village he's literally wiped off the map and says "one day son this war is gonna end." This time...seems different to me. Could be me though. For the record I have been in that desert where those 200,000 Syrian refugees are just inside Jordan. If you want to talk hell on earth...that's it. It really bothers me that we neither say nor do nothing about that...and I don't mean that in just humanitarian terms either. it feels cowardly to me...somehow "not American." believe me though...I did feel a sense of relief for those soldiers too... having been that soldier myself once. "one day son this war is going to end" indeed.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:36 | 4189947 Erudite Redneck
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Let's face it, anti-semitism means one is actually serving Satan and hating God.  The Jews are God's chosen people, He gave them his "Word", aka Jesus Christ. Jesus himself said Salvation comes via the Jews. Those that hate Israel are sons of Satan. Satan persecutes the woman.  The woman is Israel.  See Revelations Chapter 12:

Satan Thrown Out of Heaven

And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them[a] in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12 Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, because he knows that he has a short time.”

The Woman Persecuted

13 Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. 14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.[b]

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:58 | 4189977 mick_richfield
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God does not choose one people above others.  But some people say that he does.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:06 | 4189991 Erudite Redneck
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God chose the Jews to give his commands, his words and his law.  Salvation comes through the Jews, Jesus Christ.  There is no other name under all of Heaven by which man can be saved and that name is Jesus Christ.  Jesus is God's plan of salvation.  Now the Jews are not better than other people, they actually have a greater responsibility because they were entrusted with the Word of God.  So yes the Jews are God's chosen people and they have been severly punished throughout history when they turned from God and did not uphold their great obligations.  But God has always saved a remnant to fulfill his promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.   Read the Bible it will blow your mind and open your eyes.  Don't ever rely on another to educate yourself.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 04:49 | 4190060 bunnyswanson
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It's time for new management.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 05:58 | 4190076 lakecity55
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The Manager is going to return.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 07:05 | 4190115 negative rates
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You need to read the Urantia book, it puts the bible to shame pertaining to clear and defined knowledge, especially next year of all years.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 08:11 | 4190167 mick_richfield
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Don't rely on received beliefs.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 12:18 | 4190576 Praetorian Guard
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Redneck, do you believe that the entire Bible, from genesis to revelation is inspired of god? If so, explain why the Book of Genesis, et al, are plagarized versions of much older works, the Sumerians - of which Abram was a resident of? All this bible thumping has got me going - I simply do not understand the pathetic nature of believing bullshit that has done nothing but imprison people into servitude to their fellow man. It has been shown time and time again that the bible has been manipulated. Religion, is simply an arm of control - government, and always has been and will be. Their is no empiracle data that shows that "jesus" even existed, outside the circular logic of the bible itself.

Your god, YHWH, is a blood thirsty Canaanite sky, thunder, war god, adopted by the Israelis.

Let me ask a bible thumper one simple question, if you had absolute power tomorrow, what would you do? Most GOOD, KIND hearted people would use said power to fix the world, correct the wrongs, and stabilize humanity. Yet, your "god" has not done a damn thing in thousands of yearss. Not even a guest appearance. Yet, we are told by the thumpers that god has a plan, part of divine sovereignty - which is bullshit. It simpley is selfish on gods part to allow people to suffer and die, when he has the capability to stop such pain. He created us, according to the thumpers, so to allow a "test" to go on for generations (thousands of years) is not in mans best interest.

Yet, we are told that some blood sacrafice makes it all better? Tell me, is it easier to forgive and work with humanity, or kill your own son, which was pointless since he was resurrected anyways...?

Final thought... the "test" between "satan" and "yhwh" is akin to you or I, walking up to the White House, and telling our dear leader that I could do a better job. He concedes and temporarily relinquishes his authority, allowing me to run everything. Now if you believe that that is even remotely possible, you are sadly mistaken, no less more than "satan" challenging "god" and god allowing it...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 12:59 | 4190772 Erudite Redneck
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Jesus quoted more from Genisis than any other book. 

I don't fully understand everything of God nor am I required to.  Jesus said those that beleive without seeing are more blessed than those that see.  I know God has worked in my life personally through divine intervention and answered many prayers in the name of Jesus, I can not deny His power.   God said he would use the foolish things of this world to confound the wise.  The Apostle Paul said the Gospel (truth or good news) of Jesus Christ was foolishness to those that were perishing.

The only advice I can give is to call out on the name of Jesus and he will answer and reveal himself to you. 

John 6

New King James Version (NKJV)

35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:07 | 4190804 Praetorian Guard
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Then you realize that GENESIS is a SUMERIAN text plagarized by Moses (through editing he made it his "own")...  Jesus does not exist - it is a mythos story re-hashed hundreds/thousands of years prior - Dionysus, Mithra, etc.. There is NO data to support his existance outside of the Bible...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:34 | 4191411 Erudite Redneck
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I support your right to believe anything you would like.  I however can not deny the power of Christ.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:44 | 4190001 The Heart
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"The Jews are God's chosen people,"

Bless'ed Love to you Erudite.

So if they are God's "chosen people", why don't they do what God tells them to do? Like, love thy neighbor as you love thy self? And, do unto others, as you would have then do unto you? (wicked mistreatment and imprisonment of the Palestinian People) And, have no other gods(money) before thee? Why do they act exactly like, and actually even worse than the nazi germans did? Why do they oppress the real Semites, the poor Palestinian people who are the real original people of the land there?

These things in israhell are for the most part, imported askaNAZI jews that think they are anything near what a real good Jewish person is. They are not Jewish, they are zionists hiding behind a Jewish mask! Saying one is anti-Semite, is saying that they are anti-Palestinian. No one has said they are anti-Palistinian, except for those "chosen people" of God in israhell. Judge not, least ye be judged? Why do they hate the innocent Palestinian people so much? Is that what God taught them do do? Hate?? Kill??? Talk about anti-Semite and using this old washrag to hang on people to make them look bad. What a scam. People are tired of this carp.

"who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Yeah, there were Ten Commandments in the beginning right? Pretty darn easy. So, which ones do your "chosen people" adhere to? If they are so special, and so holy-rollie, (not!) then why do they almost daily violate one of the major COMMANDMENTS that says: Thou shalt NOT KILL! And how about, thou shalt not covet they neighbors property? Exactly which one of GOD'S COMMANDMENTS are they obeying like good little "god's chosen people"? The only god that has chosen these hateful things is the god, money!

And talk about double Orwellian same old same old hang your hat on someone else to make them look stupid. Nobody hates isreal. People just really dislike what they do because it is NOT what the real God of Love and True Light teaches. A tree is known by it's fruit. Where is the love in the practice of govt sponsored false flag terror for the banksters? Where is the love in perpetuating world war three to aniliate most of the worlds populations? Where is the love in allowing the fukushima meltdowns to continue unabated so as to slowly kill off the worlds populations while at the same time profiting from it? (commi-care) Where was th eLove ins causeing the fukushima meltdowns with stuxnet? Where is the love it the nuklear and chemical and biological weapons israhell has developed to kill with? Where is the love in profiteering from war? Where is the love in threatening to nuke the world if isreal is losing a war they purposly start themselves for their bankster puppet masters? Where was the Love when isrehell perpetrated most of 9/11? Where was the love when they bombed the USS Liberty? Where was the love when they were the main perpetrators of the false flag event in boston? If we all know God is essentially Love, and any real "chosen people" of God would readily embrace Love, or that which God is, then where is the love in israhell?

Here is a simple tool for all to understand, especially the blind that seem to know no better. Compassion allows for forgiveness, but has no quarter for the ignorant who blantenty and stupidly ignore the truth.

Dig it:

In life, all spiritual beings having a human, or non-human experience, are ONLY expressing their energy from one of two basic places within the biobot. One is either expressing them selves from a place of Love, or they are expressing themselves from a place of fear. From these base energies, all others spring. For example, from fear springs hate, and anger. From love comes compassion, and heartfelt understanding. Forgiveness, Faith, Hope, and Charity towards others of lessor means. One can always ask, if it is not love, what is it?

Use this tool in determining where first, your own actions, words, and deeds are coming from. And then, where others are coming from. When a being is acting, or reacting irrationally, you can simply say to them; Hey man!...where are you coming from? Love, or fear?? Ponder that!

All God's real People will embrace all the concepts of Love, or that which God is. Many will continue to deny the real truth that all know within. God is Love, and we need God back in America NOW!

Extra credit:

Define the words, Jesus, and Christ please.

What root languages do they come from, and WHAT is the history around these two particular words?

 


Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:45 | 4190023 Erudite Redneck
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I hear you, they are far from perfect and are not without sin and what I say next will most like piss off most Jews.  But Jews have turned from God and over the centuries have been judged by God.  Notice in the bible God uses Isreal's enemies to conquer them, kill them and enslave them several times, each time they turned from him.  But God always saves a remnant, a small amount, not because the Jews were faithful but because God is Faithful.  Jesus himself came through the Jews and that is God's plan of salvation.  Most Jews except Messianic Jews reject Jesus Christ as the Son of God, the Messiah.  I as a Christian am still required to support God's chosen people.  See Romans Chapter 6 where the Apostle Paul admonishes the Gentiles about rejecting the Jews.  Paul warns us that we are grafted into the jewish olive tree and the root, Jesus Christ sustains us.  Unfortunately the Jews with the exception of the Messianic Jews have not obtained salvation through Jesus Christ.  This is a paradox as we support the Jews yet they despise us for trying to convert them.  But is it better to listen to God or Man. 

 

Romans 11

New King James Version (NKJV)

Israel’s Rejection Not Total

11 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”?[a] But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[b] Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace.[c] But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”[d]

And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”[e]

Israel’s Rejection Not Final

11 I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles. 12 Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!

13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?

16 For if the firstfruit is holy, the lump is also holy; and if the root is holy, so are the branches. 17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.

19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness,[f] if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved,[g] as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”[h]

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31 even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32 For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

34 “For who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has become His counselor?”[i]
35 “Or who has first given to Him
And it shall be repaid to him?”[j]

36 For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 03:55 | 4190027 The Heart
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"Jesus himself came through the Jew"

Jesus, or Jahoshua Ben Joseph was an Essene.

Here is a book that pretty much describes a lot more of the initiates path, than the very well muddled up and changed many times for control of the masses pupposes, bible:

http://www.amazon.com/Aquarian-Gospel-Jesus-Christ/dp/1604598794/ref=sr_...

Give it a read just for fun.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 04:09 | 4190034 bunnyswanson
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http://poy.time.com/2013/11/25/vote-now-who-should-be-times-person-of-th...

Care to vote for Time Man of the Year?  Edward Snowden, our modern day hero, is on the list if you are interested.  Rand Paul is as well. 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 04:28 | 4190042 Erudite Redneck
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I think the Jesus you speak of is not the Jesus of the New Testament.  Best seek out the True Jesus.  On Judgment Day, many will say to Jesus we did many things in your name and Jesus will say to them away from me I do not know you.  I paraphrased, but there are many false christs out there.  The Mormons say Jesus was a created being and the Jehovas witnesses say Jesus was an Angel. Both contradict the word of God.  The Jewish leaders killed Jesus for making himself equal with God and what effect would salvation have if God sent an angel instead of his own Son?  But Jesus said on the cross, "Father forgive them they know not what they do."  If Jesus forgave the Jews then followers of Jesus should forgive the Jews.  Besides Jesus had the power to lay down his own life and to pick it up again, he was raised from the dead on the third day so why would we continue to blame the jews for Christ's death, that is what false christians and nazi's do.

In the scriptures, every man must answer the question of who Jesus is, "But who do you say that I am?"  Don't rely on what others tell you, call out to God to reveal Jesus to you and he will always answer that request.  Jesus said he would never turn any away that called upon him.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 05:55 | 4190074 lakecity55
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A most interesting book. I read it maybe 30 years ago.

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 05:53 | 4190073 lakecity55
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Biblical times Jews rejected Jesus, and were scattered. The Ashkenazim converted but are fake Jews in that sense. God says he will make Israel a millstone around everyone's neck. God promised to restore Israel. He keeps his promises. So, Israel is restored even though the Ashkenazim have rejected Jesus. This does not mean God is in favor of these Jews who have rejected Jesus.

So, in basic terms, we are in this fix because the Jews rejected Jesus. Jesus said that if the Jews did not want Him, there would be others brought to Him (Gentiles, the rest of us).

Think about it. The money changers He drove from the Temple were the Red Shield prototypes. Jesus would whip them again, today. In fact, the Prophets say He will return and whip all of them.

As many faults as I have, I try to follow Jesus. But that is my choice. Anyone has the freedom to choose their own beliefs; as a Libertarian, I must respect that.

The disobedience of the Jews is one of the primary reasons we are facing war today. Their disobedience has snared many others who seek lucre and do not obey God. The "NWO" is a Satanic creation of disobedience to God.

Anyway, that is my take. It is just an opinion and belief, so anyone else is free to have their own.

Carry on.

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 08:07 | 4190161 BandGap
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I can sign up for that. We wiull be judged by what is in our hearts, not by what tribe we are with or what country we reside in. I suppose I'll pick a side when the real game of ASrmageddon Dodge Ball commences but for now I'm content to sit and watch it unfold. For the record I am a Catholic but have a couple of friends who are Orthodox rabbis. I understand the framework of the argument. I will add that if you look at what the Orthodox Jew teaches and believes it isn't too far from where Christians stand. Like the doubting St. Thomas they are one event away from the truth.

By their deeds you shall know them.  Lock and load fellas.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 07:40 | 4190138 Sparkey
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You are a believer Erudite, congratulations, your beliefs are unassailable, you know what is right and what is right is what you believe, how comforting, how very blessed you are! The man who wrote the following is also blessed with absolute belief in his own beliefs, no doubt, like you, there will be a special place for him in Heaven!

(Copied from a British Site in 2010)

" An American Christian point of view http://uk.messages.news.yahoo.com/Politics/threadview?m=tm&bn=UKN-PL-Gaza&tof=1&rt=1&frt=1&dir=b&ri=26101&t=c6-Jun-10 01:16 AM

As an American Christian I know more about right and wrong and God's true will than most people do, my Pastor has been anointed unto the Lord to bring the truth to his congregation and he has made several trips to Israel for instructions and education. Pastor says; As the chosen people the Jews of Israel manifest the will of God, if old people and babies are dying in Gaza because of Israel's actions it is because God wants them to die, who are we to question the will of God? Pastor has instructed his flock to support Israel in every way possible, and to send, through him, all the money we can, I have placed my family on a diet of two modest meals a day to free up cash for the cause, I strongly suggest that you do the same, (my wife and the older children are sullen but silent, as the Bible instructs, they have learned to fear the “Rod of Righteousness” which is never far from my hand, the baby cried a lot in the beginning, but is quieter now, I wonder if God will rapture the baby first?) What a blessing if he did, then we would know that she was evermore “safe in the arms of Jesus”as I expect we all eventually will be!), it is difficult of course, watching the baby’s eyes glaze over and listening to her mother’s soft whimpers, but really,What is a man to do? I may never again have such a chance to elevate myself in the eyes of God. God's plan for the rapture has been revealed to the real Christians of America, in the rapture the real Christians will be taken directly to heaven, Pastor has deemed me Rapture ready, as long as I keep up my payments, some times I feel sorry for the ones who will be left behind, but, I realize, just as everyone can't be an American everyone can't go to Heaven either. Life really isn't fair is it? "

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 12:51 | 4190730 Erudite Redneck
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I do not unconditionally support the Jews and every policy they have.  But a good friend of family member will still support a friend and point out what they do wrong.  Christians that turn a blind eye to any wrong committed by Jews or others are just as guilty.  I am ok with a two state solution what can it hurt to live in peace and share the land.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 19:03 | 4192145 mqg25
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I knew a zionist, neo-con Christian would be loping in here sooner or later. If the poor bastard did a little research he would find out that those he calls "chosen" are not even of Hebrew extraction and were pagans before they adopted their religion in mother Russia around the 600-740 AD. So the big question this lock-step neo-con will never ponder is how can they be chosen when they were never Israelites? 

Rev 2:9 " I know thy works, (church of Smyrna) tribulation and poverty, )but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are jews, (Judeans) and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."

 

 

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 09:34 | 4190274 Urban Redneck
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Take your troglodyte monkey ass back to Stormfront or Terhran or whatever you rock you crawled out from under.

Less than 300K died, primarily of typhus, and direct allied bombing, as well as the consequential disease and malnutrition toward the end of the war.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 01:44 | 4189878 The Heart
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"They have openly said that if they get into war and start to lose it, they will take everyone down with them."

Blessings to you Jack.

It has been said a zillion times and it is all too easy. So easy a third grader can easily see this horrid country was created to use these people to further the rottenchild world domination and eventual POPULATION REDUCTION AGENDA. The rat is willing to go get the cheese for the master and when it returns, finds out the master is a hungry cat!

Just sitting back trying not to ponder on all the different ways the babylonian empire of dust is SLOWLY killing off all of humanity, and in how many diabolical ways they are manifesting the end means. Take that air every living being breaths just for one thing. How contaminated it is now? The people that live on the east coast of America are taking the hit of radiation in the jet stream as hard as the west coast. Sometimes, it is worse than the rest of the country. One has to wonder, how can anyone live in a place like that? How can they live on the west coast that is about to get hit hard?

http://enenews.com/plume-of-water-carrying-radionuclides-from-fukushima-...

So, to the point of the babylonian spear, when we hear references to a Sampson Option, we understand well what the end game is. It is simply to wipe out every single human on the planet. Barring the hanging of ALL of these evil world domination freaks and planners of the murdering of an entire race, elimination of their money-god, and all the empire they have used to enslave the very same humanity they throughly plan to kill off after USING THEM to kill each other off, not much will change.

In these modern days of Pompeii, it is all about living your life one day at a time and waiting for the next hot particle to come along, the murderous military mercenaries to come and take all you have, or worse, and what the heck, fire up the bar-B-que too.

Camp town race track...five miles long!

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 02:30 | 4189938 Ocean22
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The answer is that they are using it to their advantage. Very very clever. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 09:49 | 4190295 WillyGroper
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Hannah Arendt was right.

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