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US Challenges China, Flies B-52 Bombers Over New Air Defense Zone

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One of the notable developments in the neverending China-Japan territorial sovereignty dispute over various rock formations (and potential massive natural resources located beneath them) in the East China Sea, has been China's launch of an "air defense zone" over said disputed islands. As AP reported previously, Beijing on Saturday issued a map of the zone — which includes a cluster of islands controlled by Japan but also claimed by China — and a set of rules that say all aircraft entering the area must notify Chinese authorities and are subject to emergency military measures if they do not identify themselves or obey Beijing's orders. Various Japanese airlines responded in a confused manner overnight, with neither JAL nor ANA sure whether or not to comply with China's new demand which is merely the latest territorial escalation.

Yet the declaration seems to have flopped as a foreign policy gambit. Analysts say Beijing may have miscalculated the forcefulness and speed with which its neighbors rejected its demands. "Washington, which has hundreds of military aircraft based in the region, says it has zero intention of complying. Japan likewise has called the zone invalid, unenforceable and dangerous, while Taiwan and South Korea, both close to the U.S., also rejected it."

To put an end to any debate of how the US really feels about China imposing what it believes is its own territoria sovereignty, moments ago the WSJ reported that, in a direct challenge to China, or perhaps provocation, "a pair of American B-52 bombers flew over a disputed island chain in the East China Sea without informing Beijing, U.S. officials said Tuesday, in a direct challenge to China and its establishment of an expanded air defense zone.

The planes flew out of Guam and entered the new Chinese Air Defense Identification Zone at about 7 p.m. Washington time Monday, according to a U.S. official.

 

Defense officials earlier had promised that the U.S. would challenge the zone and would not comply with Chinese requirements to file a flight plan, radio frequency or transponder information.

 

The flight of the B-52s, based at Anderson Air Force Base in Guam, were part of a long planned exercise called Coral Lightening. The bombers were not armed and were not accompanied by escort planes.

While the probability of a direct Chinese retaliation against the US is slim to none, it is quite possible that the Chinese will once again redirect their nationalist anger toward Japan, in a repeat of what happened a year ago when the Japanese government escalated the Senkaku Island confrontation, leading to a purge of Japanese business interests (and citizens) from the mainland, and a collapse of all Japanese exports to China. And since one of Abenomics key "arrows" is boosting exports, the last thing the economy, which already hangs by a thread, needs is another economic embargo by one of its largest trading partners. We will find out if China reacts in such a fashion shortly.

 


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Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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Gun boat bomber diplomacy.

<The new normal?>

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment AlaricBalth
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Nixon had Operation Linebacker. This must be Obama's Operation Wide Receiver.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Pinto Currency
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Reuters last week announced China to trade oil contracts in Shanghai priced in CYuan.

Combined with massive physical gold trade in Shanghai, (heading over 2,000 tonnes delivered and withdrawn from SGE vault this year) will restart petrogold trade and threaten USD petrodollar demand.

China also announced to terminate foreign currency accumulation (read USD).

Expect major gold and oil moves and conflict to give alternate  backstory.

Watch gold, oil, USD - also watch rare earth metals as China controls 90% of this market and has used this weapon in the past (against Japan).

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/11/21/china-crudeoil-idUSL4N0J62M120...

Meanwhile the Brits with their 'investigation' into the LBMA fix are hard pressed to explain the real problem which is that the LBMA trades 290 million ounces of vapor each day (calls it gold trading) and sets the gold price.

The sleeper in all this is silver.

Note China is slamming the door on buying US tech post NSA/Snowden.

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Fukushima Sam
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War with China might be interesting...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:04 | Link to Comment Sonic the porcupine
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Especially an amphibious assault a la Normandy, with cannon fodder conscripts courtesy of a re-instated draft.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:16 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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I assume you're jesting; an amphibious assault against anywhere is probably beyond the capabilities of the US military these days. If we need cannon fodder, I nominate the TSA and DSH troops. They're more of a danger to Americans while on U.S. soil then if they were elsewhere. Plus they can supply their own ammo, no need to bill the Pentagon.

A more likely scenario would have the Chinese invading some of those offshore islands that are still under ROC (Taiwanese) control. Surely I'm not the only one who remembers places like Quemoy and Matsu?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:35 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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I just surprised we can launch anything off Guam.  I thought it tipped over years ago...?

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment knukles
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Joint Chiefs and Obie discussion.

JC:  Well, Mr President, if you really want to make a statement then we should fly over with the biggest radar section planes we have so they don't miss us one iota, like standing right there, screaming in their face.  We'll send a couple B-52s from Guam.  Lickety split shut that shit down, sir.
Obie:  What about some of the new high tech stuff to scare 'em?
JC:  But Mr President, the new stuff is stealthy and won't show up on their radars.  They could claim to have not seen anything.
Obie:  OK then, send a couple of stealth bombers
JC:  But sir, we might as well not bother as they'll not know they're there.
Obie:  OK don't send anything.  I'll speak about them not having seen shit and scare the mono-sodium glutamate out of their little yellow asses.  Valery, fire up the TelePrompters
JC:  (faces in hands, soft weeping sounds)

 

PS  Notice some of the headlines today... Like the WSJ  "White House Launches Push TO Sell Its Iran Nuclear Deal"
How come the WH has to sell every damned decision?
You mean none of em are good enough to stand on their own merits?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:59 | Link to Comment RSloane
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LoL Krisp and Knukles. Thank you for the badly needed laugh!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:35 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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Anyone suggesting the U.S. doesn't possess truly hegemonic military superiority in devastating quantity & quality has no clue what they're speaking of.

I am not a cheerleader for war nor am I an irrational person blinded by some Machiavellian loyalty to my country of origin, but merely conveying a basic truth.

There is no other nation nor block of nations that could mount an effective offensive or defensive military operation against or from the U.S. in the event of full scale warfare.

It's truly no longer about "boots on the ground" or even advanced warplanes in the sky - it's gone intensely technological, and in ways 99.9% of people don't have a clue about (you can't/won't learn about these methods, machines or modus operandi by consuming public school or MSM filler).

Advanced technology, truly developed by the alliance between the MIC and R&D centers/hubs at "academic" institutions such as MIT, and genuinely kept proprietary (sure other nations have similar arrangements, but they're behind the curve in terms of structure & results) has new ot modern warfare what the development of the modern semiconductor chip has done to computational power - made warfare far more efficient, lethal, far less resource intensive in terms of boots on the ground, and incredibly effective in terms of destroying infrastructure.

For those pointing to Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. as examples of limitations of such warfare, those were "gloves on" (and misguided, btw) exercises demonstrating 20 year old technologies - in all-out warfare, the U.S. will fight its wars in ways that few here can currently imagine, with devastating consequences imposed on any adversary.

The U.S. Is literally two generations ahead of any other nation in terms of capabilities in the event there's a'true gloves off conflict.

I'm sure these claims will antagonize a great many, but I will (in vain) remind everyone that I'm actually an adherent to the Smedley Butler "War Is A Racket" moral view of war, and not cheerleading nor granting moral approval upon the use of warfare to advance immoral means, but rather, simply acknowledging a reality of the current times we life in.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:40 | Link to Comment Ol Man
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A similar danger awaits those who overstate or over estimate US military superiority.  Morale at all time lows, suicides at all time highs, troops and ships spread all over the planet, defense contractors closing plants and laying off thousands, budget money both on and off the books drying up...

 

Still, 100 million armed Americans can defend the homeland better than all of the troops and law enforcement combined (estmated at about 1.5 million). 

 

8>D

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:38 | Link to Comment SMG
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Not yet, but they're building capability every day.  WWIII is likely about 6-8 years off.  The Luciferian globalists plan is Russia/China vs. US, with a first strike nuke/EMP attack on the US. Supposedly an Exec order exists for us to absorb the attack first instead of retaliating on warning.  Many of our nukes are in fixed positions, while many of the Russia /China nukes are on trucks, making them harder to take out.

This island dispute is the pre fight to the big show in a few years, designed to get rid of a whole bunch of useless eaters and bring the New World Order global government.

Unless we all wake up and stop them.  I hope so.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:57 | Link to Comment Muddy1
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I think I understand what your point is and agree we have superiority in many areas.  HOWEVER, how much of our military stuff has been produced in China?  And it may have electronic backdoors that would make us vulnerable.  Furthermore, if it comes to "war" we stand to get our asses kicked if they atteck and start a cyber war.  Just saying.

As for the statement:  "The bombers were not armed and were not accompanied by escort planes."  Is that really a case of the US showing it's strength, or a token flaunting of the Chineese defense space, or nothing but a whimper as we cannot afford more than empty planes going for a cruise?  Shit, the Chineese probably were told it was a token flyby by the "bow down and lick their boots" Commander in Chief.  It seems to me if we were serious about supporting the Japs we would have sent fully armed bombers AND fighters with obvious armaments and done a nice, slow, close in fly by of the Chineese military that is in the area.  That would have shown some strength.  Unarmed bombers without escort.  What a bunch of effing pussies calling the shots.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:47 | Link to Comment RECISION
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Except - in the end there are nuclear weapons - and everything else is irrelevant.

There will be no large scale conflict between major powers.

All the high-tech wizz-bang is a waste of space and money, and only good for bullying minor countries. 

The invasion of Iraq is as "Big" as it gets, before you bump up against the hard ceiling of your limits (in all sorts of ways, including financial and manpower).

Escalation into areas of critical national interests will turn into "instant sunshine".

There will never again be a Normandy style invasion,

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 20:38 | Link to Comment TruthInSunshine
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You're speaking in the conventional sense.

If you acknowledge that a relatively simple virus spread by thumbdrive did physical damage to nuclear centrifuges in Iran, consider that such a capacity is a very blunt and relatively unsophisticated example of what are far more nuanced, developed & sophisticated ones.

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:14 | Link to Comment DanDaley
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Asymetric warfare is the tool of the underdog, e.g, computer/e-grid attacks, etc.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:16 | Link to Comment Wahooo
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That's as hilarious as this comment from the article: "Analysts say Beijing may have miscalculated the forcefulness and speed with which its neighbors rejected its demands."

 

I'd like to see China shoot down one of those sonsabitches. All the US firepower in the world would neither stop that from happening or even be able to respond to it. There is NO Citizen or political will for a face-off with China of any sort. We got a buncha dumb ships and shit sitting around, worthless for the task at hand.

 

Moreover, China's going to be ass-raping Japan soon enough and there is NOTHING we can or will do about it militarily, or nowadays, economically.

Wed, 11/27/2013 - 01:01 | Link to Comment lewy14
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Bullshit.

 

If China shot down an unarmed civilian plane, the Chinese would suffer enormous consequences. Mostly not military.

I China shot down a B52, there would be instant (and somewhat calibrated) response from the US.

That B52 did not take off without a plan for what would happen if it were shot down.

Do not assume all aspects of the United State (heh, I like that) are dysfunctional.

This is meat-and-potatoes, blocking-and-tackling kind of error which China seems to make (and which the US makes too). Their mouth wrote a check that their bank won't cash.

A sovereign state does not issue an air defense claim which it is unwilling to enforce. Any idiot can see that a halfway rational Chinese actor will not shoot down a plane right now. So the simple expedient is to fly a plane through it, demonstrating the hollowness of the threat.

So done and done. China loses this round. 

Total unforced error on China's part. (Like I said, the US does this too. Most recently, and most consequentially, and most egregiously, in Syria.)

You don't have to believe the US are the "good guys" to see this. You just have to be not stupid.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 21:33 | Link to Comment adeptish
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How old is the B-52?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:56 | Link to Comment keninla
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You mean like this

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eTkv_DoR00

 

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment RSloane
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Haha EXACTLY like that.

 

+1

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:24 | Link to Comment tocointhephrase
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Smashed it. Too funny

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:35 | Link to Comment CheapBastard
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"Bomb now, ask questions and offer apologies later."

 

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/clinton-apologizes-to-chinese...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Democrat Congressman Hank Johnson - AmeriKa is not elect once, but is re-elect!? After "Guam capsize" statement!? Only question left is whether Hank Johnson is use crack, smack, or meth? 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:26 | Link to Comment Dave Thomas
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What's scarier is that the Admiral, yes ADMIRAL didn't say something like, "Excuse me sir are you fucking with me?"

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:52 | Link to Comment Proofreder
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Admiral: We don't anticipate anything like that happening, Sir

ROTFLMAO

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:31 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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In AmeriKa, Military General must turn in testicle when is take position for Joint Chief of Staff. You can obvious see in dim radiance of eye, lack of fortitude, submission for of congressional idiocy.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:45 | Link to Comment Thisson
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He's an admiral.  His job is to admire, yes?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:12 | Link to Comment Ponzi Pontiff
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I logged in special just to give you a greenie.  Best fuckin laugh I've had all month.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:33 | Link to Comment unrulian
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...meth, crack or smack.....f no... that sounds like bath salts to me

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Herd Redirectio...
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Amphibious assault... No.  Blockade, maybe.

But seriously, I would need to be convinced that the Banking Elite and the PRC aren't two sides of the same (rigged) coin.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment bigkahuna
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Oh they are---and that actually makes a very good case for war. 

Economies are for us little chumps. Yeah included in little chumps are the millionaires and such all the way down to homeless - so nobody should feel bad about that.

Wars are for them. They make tons of money and gain even more power all while getting rid of the little chumps - we really should feel bad about this.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment DoChenRollingBearing
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GeezerGeek

What a great idea, seconded!

 

What better use could there be for TSA and DHS troops?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:59 | Link to Comment Proofreder
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And so we've come full circle ...

National Guard sent overseas to fill in the gaps in never-ending wars.

Homeland Security force created to fill NG role, supported by Washington Militants

National Guard recalled as some wars wind down.

Homeland security forces sent overseas in their place when TSHTF ???

Full circle.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment RobD
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"an amphibious assault against anywhere is probably beyond the capabilities of the US military these days" Lol the Marines do that shit all the time. Not sure of the number but a large part of th active US Navy are amphibs.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment Troll Magnet
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Fuck China.

Those fuckers should purge all things Japanese and buy things only made in China just so they can realize what fuckin' cheap crap they're manufacturing.  Maybe then they'll appreciate us dumb Americans for actually paying for their cheap shit.

 

Fuck China.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:21 | Link to Comment 10mm
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There bridges/buildings are crap along with rail service. Last thing built right was the Great Wall.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:12 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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"Their" bridges/buildings over there.

Grammar Nazi Stuka dive bomb dittos.

B-52's trying to take out those crappy bridges/rails would likely work out as well as the daylight raids over Germany in B-17's in 1943 (or much worse).

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 23:27 | Link to Comment 10mm
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What are you fuckin spell check. Get the fuck lost.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment bob_stl
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Not to mention that they don't invent anything in socialist China. They just steal ideas from other countries and make cheap knock offs.

 

Fuck China!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment Troll Magnet
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And they're not even good at that!

I rented a fairly new VW to drive around in when I visited.  They proudly told me that all their VWs are built in China.  Well, that piece of shit was really a piece of shit.  Never drove such a shitty vehicle in my life. 

Everything those Chinese cocksuckers touch turns into shit.  Literally. 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 22:12 | Link to Comment PT
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No.  Other people travel all the way to China, specifically to give China their ideas.  You can't blame the Chinese for making the most of a good thing.  Why should the Chinese respect foreigners who are traitors to their own countries?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment bob_stl
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Looks like a lot of people are really anti-American more than they are anti-socialist. The only thing that disgusts me almost as much as socialists like the Chinese are those who pretend to be free market libertarians who side with commie collectivist China and the new socialist regime in Russia just so they can revel in the decline of their own country.

Wed, 11/27/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment UserLong
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Then buy some our great American products, if you can afford them under such an economic. BTW, insulting sometimes is highly related to low quality.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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War with China would mean we could cancel any Treasury Debt we owe them.

Too bad the FED has been buying most of it lately, eh?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:27 | Link to Comment greatbeard
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>> we could cancel any Treasury Debt

Well hell, why don't we declare war on Social Security?  Oh, they did.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment rubiconsolutions
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"War with China might be interesting..."

With all due respect @Fukuhsima Sam - you are a fucking idiot. War with China might be interesting? Sure, like spending time with Jeffrey Dahmer might be....interesting. War with China would be a disaster. All war is by the way. Except for the dolts sitting on the sidelines getting their rocks off by watching from afar. 

China would hand the US a fight that it couldn't handle. It may not win outright but it would do considerable damage both physically an economically. This isn't Grenada or Panama. Or even Iraq. They would be a formidable opponent who likely would partner with Russia in any military conflict. 

War with China might be interesting only if you have an appetite for carnage. Finally, and again I say with all due respect. You are a fucking idiot.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 19:06 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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oh come on now.
They only have nukes, stealth subs & 1/3rd of the world's population.
What could possibly go wrong.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:51 | Link to Comment RafterManFMJ
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War with China might be interesting...

 

Don't fall victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia"

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment quasimodo
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"The sleeper in all this is silver."

 

Further commentary on this would be deeply appreciated. I have read snippets here and there on the idea that silver is a sleeper and might very well surprise many folks but have never read much beyond "silver will make gold look silly" etc.

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:20 | Link to Comment Double.Eagle.Gold
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Silver is the key to killing vampire squids.

My favorite self load's r '43 Nickels @ 35% silver, 56% copper

 

Perfect vampire / zombie combo

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:19 | Link to Comment Wahooo
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I still have a box of .30-.30 Winchester silvertips from the 1980s. Not sure if they still manufacture them.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:15 | Link to Comment Crash N. Burn
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 While most of the gold ever mined still exists, we've consumed 90% of the worlds' historical silver stockpile.

 

silver inventory

 

"...a similar “smoking gun” of manipulation: the silver market. During the same period of time (the 1990's) in which prices were being driven to a 600-year-low (in real dollars), inventories were collapsing by 90%. Simultaneously, nearly ever silver miner on the planet was driven into bankruptcy.

It was/is the most-sustained, savage manipulation of any commodity market in history, and it persists to this day, as silver – alone among all metals – is still produced primarily as a byproduct of other metals mining. Silver prices have never been allowed to rise back high enough to allow silver to be produced in a normal manner, via primary silver mining, as was the case for more than 4,000 years prior to the malicious attack on this market."

 

 

Precious Metals Markets: Welcome to ‘The Matrix’

 

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:29 | Link to Comment tocointhephrase
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Silver bitchez.

That feels better

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:19 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Others are probably better qualified to respond, but I'm mostly in silver because:

  It has many industrial uses

  It works better as currency

  It is less likely to be counterfeited, plated, or filled with tungsten.

  Low or negative transaction charges

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 18:56 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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actually fake silver coming out of Mexico is far FAR more common than fake gold.
It's easy enough to spot but in flea markets & local shops many people are unprepared.
Acid isn't the only way to test. Weight, volume & magnetic activity is important.
http://www.youtube.com/user/silvermagnetslide/videos?view=0&flow=list&sort=dd&live_view=500

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 18:53 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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meh. I'm sure it won't look much different than the trends already set in comparison.
The prices are USD but over-all they're not much difference, % move for % move, when taken to EUR , JPY, etc.
http://flic.kr/p/f5bHkJ

The steeper slopes happen when there's a massive rise or fall & the calmer slopes happen every other time.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment RSloane
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Susan Rice did threaten Afghanistan with the withdrawal of American troops unless Karzai signed a new agreement with the US. That's tantamount to threatening American citizens with peace. Maybe this administration has their sights set on China. You can't claim 'even they are not that stupid' because the events of the last six weeks specifically tell us that they are.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:47 | Link to Comment papaswamp
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Plus China secured 90% of Ecuadorian oil rights...they are making some big moves.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:32 | Link to Comment buttmint
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Nixon ordered LineBacker I October 1972

LineBacker II December 1972 -- this was the unnerving "Christmas Bombing" stunt that really instilled much hatred in the schmuck.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:18 | Link to Comment mumcard
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Look at all the B-52s that were shot down by surface to air missiles half a century ago.  I wonder how they'll stand up to modernized versions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Linebacker_II

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=334

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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LOL. all I can say is; "Velly Entresting".

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment fooshorter
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Speak softely and carry a big fortune cookie, errr 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:22 | Link to Comment thunderchief
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I'm liken this.
Japan and the USA go back further than they think.
Don't step over the line China, regardless of how some of us feel about the dollar or gold. This is about principle, and we don't like China that much.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 19:41 | Link to Comment YuShun
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Thunderchief, you will be interested to learn that researches into that ancient period before
you were born have determined that China & the USA were once allies fighting against Japan.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment maskone909
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Olympus has Fallen, based on future events.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment max2205
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B52 drone

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment ssp2s
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Iran is laughing

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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And in other news China dumps 1.2 trillion in U.S. Debt in overnight trading.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:13 | Link to Comment The Limerick King
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Some B-52s taking flight

To prove that the US has might

The Chinese just sigh

Saying: "Fuk you wound eye!"

And dump all their bonds overnight

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:29 | Link to Comment BKbroiler
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And in other news China dumps 1.2 trillion in U.S. Debt in overnight trading.

Right, and by doing so crashes their own economy, since with a cheap dollar we no longer buy their crap.  That debt isn't going anywhere, they're stuck with it.  

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:45 | Link to Comment silverserfer
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or they SLOWLY sell their treasury holdings  to short gold and keep the price down on all ther physical purchases.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:06 | Link to Comment Sonic the porcupine
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According to Peter Schiff, it's possible that China was on the other side of Operation Twist, and doesn't own a lot of long term paper. So they could let their short term paper mature, or they could sell their short term paper anyway, and let their currency appreciate.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Ham-bone
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totally possible TIC data could all be lies and that China and Japan don't hold $1.3 T and $1.2 T  in notes/ bonds respectively.  And if they don't...what changes???  What if the Fed or ESF or some other surrogate (BOE, ECB, PBoC???) are actually holding the debt?  It has a home and nobody is going to sell it...cause there would be nobody to buy it.  China going to dump the dollar and in turn massively strengthen the yuan???  bring China's massive bubble, likely the largest in human history, in everything up for a vote???

Stop looking for someone to hold the US gov and the Fed accountable for irresponsible actions...as George said, "all the people that matter are in the same small club...and you and I aren't in it."

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:50 | Link to Comment papaswamp
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Oh whoa wait... What happens if China bakes the crap out of Japan...does the US still owe Japan if it no longer exists?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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That's a tired old meme that just shows you don't understand the state of the world.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment Mad Mohel
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Easy on the kid, he's named after a fast food sandwich. He is just regurgitating something his economics teacher shat out at them.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:05 | Link to Comment Ham-bone
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Doc,

gotta disagree...this is not about nation states fighting among themselves...the nation states are shields for the elite of the world.  China has record holdings of US Treasury debt (med/long term) and the US can block the sale of this debt if Chinese even tried to sell (they aren't) and record FX reserves.  Chinese talk a nice game to their own domestic market but reality is (like politicians everywhere) don't listen to what they say but watch what they do.  China has been engineered to be the greatest bubble of all time...they can only go forward, ever higher leverage, ever greater debt and leave the eventual mess to the sheeple of the world

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:30 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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not possible.
China can bypass all fiancial restrictions on any network by the USA. So long as others want treasuries they can be dumped. If China faced a situation where NO ONE wanted them the USA would already be destroyed.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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This just in!

Another odd contrail has been seen off the coast of Commiefornia.  Drone malfunction blamed.  Another cruise ship has engine (power) problems.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:22 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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Nope, roundabout via South America & African nations already involved with China with mining.

AND WORSE, not only can China dump the dollars TO Africa they can even show up the West by saying as much as they want of it is "investing in Africa's future" or even donating to the needy. Yes, they can play the propaganda angle as well as do economic 5th of November under the White House.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment SAT 800
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I'm willing to test that theory; with your penis and my sword. Steel is pretty unforgiving of meat, if I recall.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:07 | Link to Comment ThirdWorldDude
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You cornered yourself into a dick-measuring logical fallacy there, comparing apples and oranges... Approximately the same intellectual level as my 4 y/o son...

A sword is a simbol of Thanatos, destructing life; a dick is a symbol of Eros, creating life. Which one is mightier, genius?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 18:23 | Link to Comment tenpanhandle
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As challenger, are you willing to take (as in receive) the first blow.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Lol "wound eye" ;-) you cwack me up.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment The Limerick King
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I was wowwied people would pwonounce it wong.  ;-) 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment kralizec
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Yu tu hiwawiwus!  Moar pwease!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:31 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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You sound like a Peking Daffy Duck...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:37 | Link to Comment kliguy38
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STOP yu waysist cwap......this is wowld wide bwog

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:56 | Link to Comment mumcard
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This is not a chawade.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:14 | Link to Comment Hulk
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Youze guys are going to start word wor wu !!!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:48 | Link to Comment Dave Thomas
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Quiet!, I need towtwal consentwation!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:15 | Link to Comment Proofreder
Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment bob_stl
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He vewy funny fewwow.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:23 | Link to Comment green888
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"A penis"

"I have told you before, it is with an aitch- happiness"

s

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:15 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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oh HO HO my funny boning is the 'mattering' now at the Americanism!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:28 | Link to Comment gjp
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Please let it happen soon.  Someone has to pull the rug out from under these assholes.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:20 | Link to Comment Troll Magnet
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Blast those yellow reds to hell!

Confiscate all their shit in the US.

Detain and/or deport all Chinese.

FUCK'EM!!!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment DaddyO
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Stop with the sugar coating already!

Next time, tell us how you really feel...

This thread's comments are all over the map, furthers my hypothesis that we don't have the stomach for any Chinese sanctions now or ever.

DaddyO

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:36 | Link to Comment Robsabi
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And in still further news, after escalation of the political and territorial conflict between the USA and China, the US government takes the drastic measure of banning all imports from China. China, with a rapidly urbanizing population, and 100 million more young makes than females (meaning many of them will never be lulled into domestic passivity) discovers that without consumers to export to, its entire economic model is kaput. Social and economic tensions grow rapidly in China, as foreign demand ceases, foreing capital stops flowing in, and the Chinese version of the middle-class dream can be seen rapidly retreating in the rear-view mirror. Things continue to get worse from there.

In the US, the effects of such an import ban include the inability of the American population to satiate their gross consumerist urges on cheap crap from China (so intstant inflation on the stuff Americans want but don't really need), and a rise in domestic manufacturing and industrial activity, bringing with it new jobs and new hope.

I am truly hoping that this time we really are all too globally economically interdependent for something as old-fashioned as actual war to break out. Of course, right before WWI, they thought the same thing.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Dr. Engali
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Please you actually think that there would be a new renaissance in manufacturing? There are plenty of places around the globe that the corporatists would move their manufacturing to. Even if manufacturing were to come back, I suggest you take a look at it's future.

Take a look at the Ford Camacari plant in Brazil.

http://youtu.be/lsEHYQ1Y4tM

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:52 | Link to Comment freedogger
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Only with robots, but someone needs to first make these robots. 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:26 | Link to Comment RSloane
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No one leveraged cheap labor abroad more than the American consumer. Do you think they want to pay 50$ for a sweatshirt, or 90$ for a pair of jeans? Someone once said that the American consumer sold out their manufacturing jobs for cheap gas grills at Wal Mart. If we magically got manufacturing industries back on track in the US, could the consumer buy what it produces? I don't think so.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:22 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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A manufacturing revival can never occur while the Progressives are in charge of the EPA. Allowing the middle class to expand rather than contract is precisely what they are against. Having mostly marginalized the Christian community, the broader middle class is the next obstacle to elitist domination. 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:57 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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pffft.
There are no progressives or conservatives. It's theater.
As for the christians they're busy in a holy war on all muslims on earth.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Don't worry, in the real world, the US will be exporting gay marriage to China very soon. Solves the problem of excess male / female ratio.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:13 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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PLENTY of non-American markets to export to for non-American money.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment FieldingMellish
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Once again, the US comes to the "aide" of one of its "allies".

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:05 | Link to Comment Againstthelie
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I just looked at the globe and still USrael is not a neighbouring country of China, but on the other side of the planet.

What the hell is USrael doing in Asia and dictating the Asians what they should or should not do?

While suggesting that evil dictators want to rule the world, the Plutocrats grabbed almost the whole planet to protect it from evil world dominators...

But that's even the good news. The bad news? People living only for a few decades in Plutocracies with their unreached brainwashing techniques are successfully dumbed down enough, not to recognize the monstrous lies of the Plutocrats anymore. They don't even recognize that they have no country anymore, but instead only a BUSINESS. And they are dumb enough to serve this business, because the Plutocrats name it "our country".

Stupid sheeple. Therefore the Plutocrats love "Democracy" that much. They know how stupid the sheeple are, while they are buttering them up as wise.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:49 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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America's Navy - A Global Force for Good™

http://Navy.com

Over.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment Running On Bing...
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Cruising for a bruising.

Over.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment sudzee
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China should quickly fire off a salvo of Treasurys.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:43 | Link to Comment iLiquid
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In other news, Wall Street stops measuring bond 'yield' in bps and prefers the kiloton.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:49 | Link to Comment TSA gropee
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Brilliant! They could carpet bomb us with greenbacks and suffocate us all...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment astoriajoe
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Love Shack Baby!!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:07 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Come on boys, if you can't knock down a B-52, you're amateurs.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment maskone909
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i take it you have not seen them drive cars?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment Cognitive Dissonance
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The fight is no longer a physical one. The new world order is a currency war.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:27 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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looks pretty physical to me. "Next up...the Navy." this Party is just getting started...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:48 | Link to Comment TSA gropee
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I agree if one looks at things from only the 10,000 ft level. To the .01% er's, currency war is just one facet of a much larger world agenda. At their level, national sovereignty is just a tool...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:47 | Link to Comment optimator
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Unescorted, used as bait, to dare them to do something about it.

Bluff crushed by Buff.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 20:47 | Link to Comment Five8Charlie
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Exactly. The Chinese are very concerned about losing face.  This was completely rubbing their noses in the fact that they can't control that airspace, despite claiming to do so. I don't know what they will do next, but this flyby just made they look like a bunch of doofs.

The larger game in that area is who is going to ally with China and who won't. A lot of countries in that part of the world may not like the U.S., but at least the U.S. is a few thousand miles away. The U.S. sending B-52 for a not-so-subtle "Fuck you" message to China is meant as much for the wavering neighboring countries as for China.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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Maybe Zero wanted the B52s to be shot down. That would weaken the USAF, and besides they'd never use them to carpet bomb the Homeland. Those kids flying those planes are younger than the planes themselves, and would probably be reluctant to drop bombs on Aunt May and Uncle Wally. Drones, on the other hand...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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Anyone remember the missile fired off the CA coast a couple of years ago? US gov't and state owned MSM swept that one under the rug nicely.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/mystery-missile-launched-missile-off-cali...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment kridkrid
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not to worry, I think Popular Mechanics told us it wasn't a missile. Whatcha going to believe... your eyes or a trusted media source.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment seek
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Yean, PM said that, while a former UN arms inspector who was an eye witness to the event positively ID'd it as a missile.

They tried to spin it that it was a contrail from a jet returning from Hawaii, even though it's on a regular schedule and no one ever reported a missile sighting before.

Just ignore the swamp gas, folks!

Don't forget the other story -- the Chinese sub that surfaced during US war games: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-492804/The-uninvited-guest-Chine...

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:00 | Link to Comment Legolas
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Wasn't it also PM that debunked the 911 controlled demolitions? 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:29 | Link to Comment GeezerGeek
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It was the same kind of non-missile flying object that didn't cause TWA800 to disintegrate over the US east coast. Probably some sort of natural phwnomenon.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:05 | Link to Comment superflex
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"Not a Missile"

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:30 | Link to Comment Blano
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Sure do remember, still think about it.  That's the one that convinced me there might be something to at least some conspiracy theories.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:40 | Link to Comment DaddyO
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I think we're far beyond conspiracy theory on this one!

Just remember yesterday's conspiracy theory has become today's conspiracy fact.

As soon as I saw the video of the missile launch off the Kalifornia coast I knew what it was.

Been watching missle launches since I was a kid, having grown up on the Space Coast of Florida. No mistaking them when you've seen a hundred or so...

DaddyO

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:41 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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There was another one off texas not long after.
Youtube did its best to scrub the video from every uploader too.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:59 | Link to Comment Boxed Merlot
Tue, 11/26/2013 - 17:40 | Link to Comment TSA gropee
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It wasn't a mystery to the Chinese, nor was the one fired recently off the coast of Oregon. http://thefreedomreport.us/ministry-defense-report-mysterious-fireball-s...

I dunno bout' the rest of you, but flying unarmed and aged bombers over the skies of some podunk disputed islands pales in comparison to a SLBM launched right off your coast.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:11 | Link to Comment JustObserving
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The Nobel Prize Winner doing his best for peace and harmony in this world.  Surely, he deserves another.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment astoriajoe
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another prize? seems a tall order. If he apologizes for stuxnet and buys them some new centrifuges, that may put him in the running.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment MeelionDollerBogus
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by the criteria used last time Obama would earn a new one every year in perpetuity. For bombing everyone.

The joke's on us & that's the punch line.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 16:33 | Link to Comment mumcard
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Maybe they can roll that demon Kissinger out and they can co-captain a new nobel prize together.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Gues it proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the Poker-in-Chief is -A sociopath, A psychopath and A schizophrenic

Nevermind that everyone in the JCS, U.S. Congress and in Israel Knesset already are otherwise they wouldn't have a job?

Hmmm... 

Will be interesting to see which edge of the Trifecta "purple lips" decides to nibble on first for starting WWIII and rounding up the folks at home to do whatever he commands them to do?...

1) Syria and Iran over a nuclear capability that isn't?

2) Japan and China over the disputed islands?

3) Nother "Flase Flag" incident preferably at home to get the World's top terrorists indoctrinated for more adventures both at home and aborad?

What a banner year we're heading into!

 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 15:06 | Link to Comment astoriajoe
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Edit: I just moved it two comments up. Thanks for the + and - :)

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment Againstthelie
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Well if Putin and his government was able to deny the Globalists' next war against Iran, why should they stop to create tensions elsewhere? The plutocratic nobel peace price is not given for doing nothing!

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 14:19 | Link to Comment Againstthelie
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Do not forget the CIA funded terrorist plots in China.

The closer the debt slavery ponzi scheme is to it's final phase, the more they need to get the bombs placed all over the world. Because people shall never recongize that all big wars were nothing but a distraction from the collapsing money-as-debt scheme.

In saturated markets big parts of the world must be destroyed to start the exponential ponzi-scheme anew.

And thanks to "democracy" and "free press" people in the matrix don't even recognize what is the main force behind everything: compound interest on money created by private banks. Short: debt slavery.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment HamRove
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China is trying show some muscle and use leverage against the western cabal in Japan and US. This will probably occur in different ways over the next few months.

It would seem that the cabal's answer so far is "Go F- Yourself"

But China can financially ruin the west at this point, so they might want to tred carefully. China has a distinct advantage and I'm thinking the bluff here is on the side of the west.

BTW- Very aggressive to send B-52's. Perhaps that was the point.  Fortunately they weren't loaded with anything, which makes me think this was more of a bluff. 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment novictim
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China can't ruin anyone but itself.  THe entire country teeters on rebellion.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment HamRove
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I hope your right about the rebelllion. The governement is awful there. But isn't China buying up the world's gold like gangbusters hedging against a global meltdown. China would seem to smell a bit better in that outcome, don't they? Or am I missing something?

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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more BUFF than bluff sorry to say. If memory serves me right the UN was the one that greenlighted the whole Korea thing way back when as well.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment SheepDog-One
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B-52's were obsolete 30 years ago. 

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment Agent P
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No sense in flying B-2s for this mission (stealth gives the Chinese an excuse).  If you want to make a statement like this, you use the biggest, most unmissable aircraft you've got.

Tue, 11/26/2013 - 13:33 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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didn't appear to be loaded wing tip to wing tip with 50 ALCM's. Each.

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