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The Bitcoin Parabola Continues: Up 10% In 12 Hours, Hits $1170
Despite the US being largely on holiday, the demand for digital currencies continues to surge. Bitcoin has rallied another 10% overnight as Chinese appetite for alternative stores of value remains unabated (BTC China is nearing its record highs) as USD/BTC is trading at $1170 - on its way to crossing the Maginot line of gold's spot price (within a few hours at this pace). Bitcoin though has nothing on its smaller cousin Litecoin which has now run from $1.11 to over $48 in the last 5 weeks. In fact, almost every crypto-currency in the world - from Infinitecoin to AnonCoin is surging... with only the ironically named PhoenixCoin (-68% overnight) not rising from the flames of fiat torment.
Bitcoin is making new highs in USD...
Getting close in China...
and Litecoin is exploding...
Almost every digital currency is on fire... (via coinmarketcap.com)
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Now Zerohedge is covering coin market cap? Will wonders never cease?
Bitcoin Report Volume 61 (Mad Rush)
The Bitcoin Channel
Good to see you back out in the wild BJF!
Thanks fonestar. Being right can be a lonely occupation. I can't wait until physical silver does the same :-)
Janet gonna be yellin' FIRE!!!
Me too. It will happen but it may look different outside when it does.
Sell!!!!!!
Take your profits, before they do.
Am I crazy? I still like silver coins.....They are so kewl, the masters of the universe deep six the price, in order to aquire more at a lower price.
what ever happened to Max? Keiser that is...
I don't remember if I first heard of BTC on his show but I got my first BTC around that time ($16).
Thanks Max!
Is it any different then making your own currency?
I have 27 Roger Clemens rookie cards for sale any offers
I have several dot com stocks for sale any offers.
I have 100 of General motors old stock for sale any offers.
I have 1000 of Washington Mutual old stock for sale any offers?????
Do you have any Beanie Babies?
Not interested.
Now if you had some 'pet rocks', I'll buy all you got.
hold on a sec son, stop teasin' and start talking REAL assets:
you got any bre-x, MFG or Lehman bonds?
I have 1 Rogers Hornsby card. Not for sale in bitcoins.
Vaticoin, the world's most holy way to pay and get paid.
and remember - its holy anonymous
"its holy anonymous"
and therefore perfect for child porn
you'll probably end up being ass fucked by a Vaticoin as with a Bitcoin
Tulips. I like tulips. They smell much better than BitCoins
So I wonder how many bit coins are never going to be able to circulate because the password was lost? If someone dies and their heirs know they had a wallet, but can't find the pwd or it's just lost/forgotton or the computer dies and is not backed up. It just seems like a lot of these could end up sitting in wallets forever.
one X class solar flare anyone!
Soooooo...is the old Dot Com the new Dot Coin?...Hell if I know.
stuxnetcoin is going to be the bomb!
lol
double lol!
Either the U.S. dollar is collapsing into hyperinflation, or bitcoin is hyperinflating.
Bitcoin will usher in hyper-deflation. And that's a good thing. No longer will the parasites steal our labour.
idiot. Hyperdeflation is impossible mathematically. HOWEVER, dropping alleged prices low enough no one has any reason to sell goods or services is possible: you increase a currency more than 10% in a day and you can expect NO SALE at any outlet. Anywhere
So is there bitcoin ETF or what?
There's a problem with that....
Even the most corrupt ETF's are backed by 1% of something...
So a ETF on something like a bitcoin would be impossible to sell...
Unless you're a monkey or a redneck whackjob...
I am just wondering.....do you read what anyone else says? Or do you just cut and paste the same crap every time there is a bitcoin thread?
Christ, this is getting to be like the old yahoo boards.
coming soon. I can't speak to the other "crypto-currencies" but the Winklevoss twins are in New York right now doing just that. There was a good WSJ article on this past week...go ahead and looking up. my guess is once real dollars start appearing in their the price will collapse...but those will be dollars and if the alternative is hyperinflation, price controls, stealing deposits, etc bitcoin could very easily be used as a way to protect your dollar convertibility. it's not like there's no shortage of dollars in the form of profits sloshing around right now. the real estate statistics from San Francisco are truly amazing. you've got houses of postage stamp size being sold for millions right now.
EXANTE fund platform. Year-to-date return 4,847%.
Newer BIT Bitcoin Investment Trust. Up 617.8% since inception.
And when Amazon decide to accept bitcoin?
That wouldn't do jack shit!!
because only 1% of the population reads books.
Amazon sells everything. Is there anything not available on Amazon and the marketplace?
They have almost 22 million books but also
millions of other products:
examples of figures for other "Departments" with total, and 1-day-available from Amazon.
Home Improvement: 1,723,165 48,275Music: 1,971,227 501,893
Toy & Games: 525,064 28,660
Mp3 Download : 5,496,379 MP3 songs
Movie & TV : 270,918 117,422
Health & Personal Care: 1,474,608 58,223
Ask at Amazon
One can already pay an invoice with BTC for anything on eBay and Amazon through two intermediary payment processors I know of.
The new "new economy". Fucking brilliant
Anyone here consider that stability is really the key to a currency? lol
But, like anything else, there is time to buy and a time to sell.
isn't a daily 20% price fluctuation a sign of stability?
Patience, grasshopper. Give it time.
cool, then it can hit a daily 80% fluctuation, much more stable.
Stability? You mean like the dollar? A stable decline of 99% since 1913? Bitcoin has had a rise of 10 million percent against the dollar from .01 to 1000. I'll take a volatile rise any day over a stable decline.
The Bitcoin Channel
and yet btc can have all that instability and destruction in one WEEK instead of one CENTURY.
Looks like btc failed WORSE than dollars.
That's the stupidest thing I have read all day. Predictability is what is necessary for anything to be used as a currency. Even if it is a steady decline. Is all about confidence.
I hope BTC works cause it has to be better than the shit system we have now.
Better? For whom?
It will be easier for "them" to trace your financial activities.
How to Follow the Bitcoins
Why gold represents money and wealth and bitcoin does not:
Requirements for production:
Gold - Human capital; time, energy and equipment. Large quantities of all.
Bitcoin - Computer time and little human capital; requires some FED generated currency (represents your time) but not a lot in comparison to gold and pf course - the push of a few computer keys. No infrastructure in terms of either human labor or machinery required. In a sense - it is is what I would call "easy money". Other than being finite in quantity it has required very few resources to produce. I see it as useful for moving large amounts of capital around but I could say the same of Western Union....
In the end - only slightly superior to our current fiat system and not representative of my time.... which is what a monetary system should back.
The essense of money is value and value is a representation of my time. Bitcoin may (or may not be) be freely traded but it's value in relation to the energy required to produce it is suspect.
So then why is the price of gold going down for the last two years?
so that the Oligarchs can scarf it up on the cheap?
If the Oligarchs are buying gold wouldn't the price of gold go up?
not if "they" naked short it first. :-P
Oh. If they can naked short gold then doesn't that mean there is an infinite potential supply?
yes.
an infinte, rehypothecated, VIRTUAL supply (of "paper" gold).
Ok. If there is an infinate supply then are human capital, time, energy and equipment required in large quantities to produce this supply?
yes. Trillions and trillions of derivatives are no easy task to accomplish.
Imagine trying to keep track of all that rehypothecation and counter-party risk!
Oh. How is that possible if the TBTF banks are being paid 25bp to recieve $82 billion every month? It seems there is a negative cost of producing an infinate supply of paper gold, no?
no.
Human capital, time, energy and equipment are required in certain quantities to produce this supply
Debt will pay these costs, ... til it doesnT.
Yes. But the value of that human capital, time, energy and equipment is being extrated by force from the Federal Reserve to pay the TBTF 25bp to recieve $85bn every month to use for naked gold short positions. Until the mechanism of value extraction by force is ended is there not an unlimited supply of naked gold shorts available?
John Connor, in your apocalyptic world, full of terminators and with Skynet controlling all the computers, you rather have a gold rock on your pocket rather than a usb drive full of codes that mean nothing after Skynet hacked all the bitcoin protocols and made it (and all other crypto currencies) worthless...I would recomend you keep travelling to your past (our present) and keep exchanging your bitcoins for gold, you can get one Oz of gold for one bitcoin, it won't last long !!
you naked short GLD (papper), you acummulate GOLD (bullion)....do your homework kid...and talking about infinite supply, what about bitcoin going from 21 million to 21 BILLION??!!!
physical gold cannot be multiplied by 1,000
Bitcoin can...you only need to add three zeros to the total amount, then you go, 21 billion bitcoins !!
but...but...the protocols doesnt allow it...yeah right....you will see...bitcoin inflation....like fiat inflation...just add some zeros in the computer....but...but...the miners won't accept it....yeah right....somebody in China is controlling this game, with the help of the Lee Brothers....the troyan horse will destroy bitcoin from within....maybe the FED and the Chinese gov are the ones buying bitcoins right how, the idea is to be the troyan horse and destroy it from within .
How?
"Economic Majority" is the key:
"...The miner's code could be modified to change the rules and grant any number of coins but that block then would be relayed to peers. Since that change breaks the protocol, peer nodes would reject that block as being invalid and then would not relay it.
Now if other nodes run the same change and thus accept that block, they will relay it but it still doesn't matter if nobody will buy those mined coins.
So there would be a reason for enough people (an "economic majority") to decide that the change is wanted and to be willing to buy those coins from the miner.
But if you hold bitcoins, you wouldn't want those to be devalued and thus would reject the change.
And if you have borrowed coins and have to repay, and the lender will refuse any coins issued after the change occurred, then you won't buy those coins from the miners either.
So yes ... technically it is as easy as changing one line of code. But getting the economic majority to accept the change is the hard part (essentially the impossible part, for the change you are suggesting)."
(from " How hard is the 21 million cap on bitcoin?" discussion on bitcoin talk)
When the author of this comment says "...But if you hold bitcoins, you wouldn't want those to be devalued and thus would reject the change.", he is missing this part "...UNLESS YOU ARE THE FED AND/OR OTHER CENTRAL BANKS AROUND THE WOLRD"
I see. So there is a limit to the supply of Oligarch gold naked shorts? How much is the producxtion cost of a gold naked short?
The 'cost' of the naked short is that - like any price-capped commodity - there will be a drain of the actual physical item from the exchanges and an almighty short squeeze will erupt.
The shorts might be naked but the gold underpinning them (at something like 70:1) is very real and if the paper price is significantly lower than what people are willing to pay for it, then it will get hoovered up. Hence the constant mainstream bashing of gold - 'value' is subjective, so if the financially uninformed are subjected to a non-stop barrage of anti-gold propaganda from the 'accredited experts' (h/t MDB_), they will be less likely to buy it.
Given the demand China (and the rest of the East) are evincing for physical metal, it's not working too well.
no, it means there's a very small finite supply & an infinite paper bailout on shorts-losses from non-delivery since the Fed prints it for them.
Lose a million? Print a million. Now short naked on gold that can't ever exist. That's what "naked" shorting means. Otherwise if it's covered it's on gold that's in-hand somewhere.
John,
This is largely a phiolosophical question:
It is the difference between the way something is and the way something ought to be. Is vs ought.
Eventually - in the case of gold - I suspect that ought will overcome "is" and eventaully become "is". In the mean time by all means - buy bitcoin. Looks like a bargain to me.
bonds & real estate. Once real estate pops gain, up goes gold. They are inverses.
Crypto coins are outpacing gold and silver, but then they aren't controlled by the cabal either. People are seeking any way possible out from under the thumbs of the bankers. Unfortunately, you still have to convert to Dollars to buy most tangible assets like land, food, gasoline, etc.... At least for now.
People are tired of getting fucked in the ass by bankers. Why do they get a free ride in life? What risks did they take?
Im sure it wil end well.
/sarc
Bitcoin has gone from a virtual currency that crosses borders to a get rich quick scheme. This sort of shit is the LAST thing Bitcoin needs.
More the case of getting out of the printed fiats before people accept they are worthless.
Agreed, the trick they need to try and pull off after this hyperbolic rise is for it to level off and be stable, nearly impossible.
And the ”they” is a bunch of anonymous unconnected bitcoin owners. No it will not just level off, human nature will kick in, greed will change to fear and the first newly minted millionaires to blink, flinch, chicken out will be the only winners. This kind of movement will cause to many to get burned, heck it went up to 1224 today and is back under a thousand. Anyone who bought at the high is down 20% if it doesn’t return for an extended period of time they will sell at any good price bump and never return to get burned again.
To go along with BTC's unyielding success...
This is interesting news on too many levels. Even after this came out GLD and SLV still dropping in the Anglo-American controlled market.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/venezuela-denies-goldmans-gold-deal-as-inflation-tops-54/
Another reason why we may not want to give up the "yeller stuff" just yet.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-25134289
I'm going with BosonCoin. You can put an infinite number of them in your pocket.
Would you prefer a bitcoin or an ounce of gold?
http://katchum.blogspot.be/2013/11/a-bitcoin-for-ounce-of-gold.html
For all you bittards out there, here's an explanation of where bitcoin is going. Next stop $3,405.
http://www.halfpasthuman.com/audio_access.html
bzzt wrong.
Next stop $450. Then $2000. Then $20.
BTC is absurd nonsense.
Quick, max out your credit cards on bitcoins!
i get that it's supposed to be reflecting the currency wars worldwide.
but i somehow doubt that it's tracking this easing in an orderly fashion.
but that's ok, i bought one last week! fucking yay,
Your fair share of BTC is around .001-.002 BTC. One or two is enough. It's the same with gold, 1-2 ounces is enough.
no, it's not enough. I'd need about 4 oz/year purchasing power for every year of my life. That's a good normal amount of spending.
What could go wrong with parabolas that are so steep as to be nearly vertical?
not to worry, I'm sure it will drop only about 70% in the next 48 hours!
LOL
Now that's one safe investment
BUBBLECOIN, BITCHEZ!
Smug contempt means you probably missed the boat.
indeed, I don't enter toy-boats with a hole in the middle of their concept. neither do I miss them.
I have the same smug contempt of 99% of pennystocks - think I missed the boat on those too?
Then there are the FreeBitcoiners. Some guy named BOBOA is saying bitcoins will be selling for $55,000,000,000 each when that finally hits.
so all we need to know now is
"who gave Boboa this info?"
that's Yellen's BTC price target
along with S&P at quadrillions
My local online Whore house has snatchcoins...
mah WERRRRD ah founds one!
http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/ms_SJxv0j9h8ViXOXXmCh-w.jpg
For those ZHers who accept their gold zealatory has blinded them to real gains, it is still not too late to invest. Bitcoin was cryptocurrency version 1. The other coins are based on its source code, but fix may of its problems. You can still buy into them real cheap and spread some of the risk of holding all your assets in the one PM basket. 10000% gains in the next few months. Get out when everyone else is getting in, then buy all all the silver you can with the rewards.
thusly it's about speculation and not commerce or utility or fuck the Fed etc.
as such, and being the speculators that you are, can I interest any of the pumpers in buying a few thousand Nov 2014 at $200/Btc? What price would that put be accepted at?
Let's see who the true believers are.
Who said that I believe in anything?
great, a fuckin nihilist...
I studied theoretical physics. You learn not to take theories for granted. You learn to handle multiple contradicting theories without feeling a hypocrit. Belief is so yesterday.
Sounds illogical
real gains are in ounces of solid material, not bits. Not dollars.
"It will not crash and burn because Bitcoin fills a niche that no other currency or precious metal can facilitate"
Quote from the resident pumper who accuses every naysayer of being a goldbug and a fake libertarian.
'no other currency' . Yeah, right, except, um, for every other digital currency.
A major factor in the price of anything is the barrier to entry for competitors. Bitcoin has ZERO intellectual property and ZERO trade secrets. Bitcoin fundamentally has nothing that you or I or anyone else can't do. What Bitcoin does have is momentum, but that momentum is largely built on hype and fear. Neither of those has any mass and once they are removed from the equation Btc's inertia stops dead in its tracks.
Price ceiling will be inversely proportional to the presence of competition, who - it must be stated again - are innumerable and have no barrier to entry. I wouldn't pay $50 for a Coke because I have suitable alternatives. Ultimately we'll learn that Btc truly is worth not much more and not much less than other digital currencies. That might prove to be $0.00001 or $1,000,000, and the latter would mean that speculators need to get
in on the others while they're at the bottom (and then watch in the short term as they ride Btc's coat tails). Any price differences between Litecoin, Bitcoin, Windowscoin, Facecoin, etc will have nothing to do with the crypto aspect etc and will instead be due entirely to the success of the marketing and the ease of the network.
If I was one of the handful who hold (putatively) millions of USD or Yuan worth of Btc, I'd waste no time blogging and would instead work tirelessly to get more ATM's out there and more on-line merchant acceptance. Me? If I held $50,000,000 worth...I would not only offer prebates and rebates to the merchants, I WOULD BUY THE FUCKING ATM's and GIVE THEM AWAY. The first cryptocurrency cartel to to succeed at that will emerge winner (for a while at least...and eventually Beta will give way to VHS which will later yield to DVD which...).
With the supposed anonymity, however, there would be no way to network and form such a cartel. Would I like being the only one giving away Btc ATM's and letting the other large holders ride my coattails? No, but I'd do it.
I'd be interested in whether the e-tailers and retailers have been approached by anyone offering such prebates and rebates, because the veil of anonymity would start to lift.
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Tulips come in so many pretty colors.
Diche that Niche, Biche.
"BTC is built on fear and hope"
I agree with all but this premise, ... no BitCoin is built on LIES, ... 100% lies ..
Bitcoin is safe - bullshit
Bitcoin is private - bullshit
Bitcoin is libertarian - bullshit
Bitcoin is your friend - bullshit
Bitcoin came from little people - bullshit
Every lie pushed here on ZH will be remembered. It must never be forgotten here on ZH that the majority backed the NSA/CIA plan to enslave us all.
Can you feel peak stupidity? Amazing, feels so real , like you can touch it ...
I thougt that people wanted stability in their currency?
So good you don't want to use them or be the last one holding them.
I would happily be paid with them and would pay the rent with them.
Currently doing both. +1
My old thoughts are below, let me know what you think.
The CIA was interested in Bitcoin close to the beginning, and had a friendly meeting with the masterminds. Do you not think they had a meeting after that little talk discussing how they could use it to their advantage? My humble opinion is that the meeting went something like this: “So wait we can just put a few super computers on this thing and get tons of them for free without changing the market, ok Bob you do that. Ok Tim, just to be safe, buy as many bitcoins as you can into as many wallets as you can, I don’t care if it goes from 50 cents to 9 dollars or to 1000 dollars for that matter. We can get appropriations to throw a hundred mil at our little scheme no problem. Anonymous they must be kidding, this is too easy”
This could be easy pickings for the NSA, CIA Ect, and fun to boot. This is what they do. I know you feel that you have outsmarted them but I have a strange feeling you haven’t.
They could have gotten tons of bitcoins for free mining and the lions share of this tiny market, 50, 60, 80 or 90% and because of the anonymity no one would know the wiser. With a market share like that they could do whatever they wanted at times of low liquidity which compared to some markets the gov deals in, is all the time on MTgox. I don’t think this is the a conspiracy theory, its only what I would do in their shoes, if for nothing else for a little safe keeping control. I think the shock and awe destruction will come.
The Gov talking nice about Bitcoin threw me off for about two secs (see yahoo story Gov Agencies see Benefit in Bitcoin), but then I realized that if they had control, they could crush it say it had some good points and again lay in wait. Then a few years from now when they think the time is right, or in case of a dollar crisis, they could introduce the US gov E-currency, and say it has some bit coin features but new and improved with gov backing. This was a theory until I saw the E Dollar story on yahoo (There is an E Currency that could save the Economy but Its not the Bitcoin). Find that story and tell me its not 1913, 1933, 1971 all over again.
If you want to see what the Gov does when they are threatened by a currency remember what happened with the Liberty Dollar. Don’t say you have not been warned. It’s not bad to never make the million dollars on a speculation; it’s pretty hard when you lose it. Its screaming bubble, no one ever made money until they sold. It may keep going up but I think it would be prudent to swap out to some other assets. I’m sure a lot of the bitcoin millionaires have almost all of their money in bitcoin, don’t think about it as selling, think about it as diversifying.
Real Gubmint, CIA is 'muscle' in the mafia sense,
NSA is the 'brains' the hw/sw behind the gubmint, not unlike the 'wizard' behind the curtain in wiz-of-oz.
NSA 20 years ago was researching and publishing paper's on crypto-coin. The NSA created BTC's and released it as free software, and now ALL is following. What I mean is that ALL the clones essentially follow the BTC model.
Now the NSA history forever is to OWN the encryption technology of the day, DES, AES, ... whatever and whenever, it always comes from the NSA, which means they got the backdoor 24/7.
CIA is muscle all over the world its the CIA's job to make sure that black-market gold, oil, cocain, and heroin, ... are all traded in USA dollars, for its the black-market that give the USD its power.
But everybody now knows the USD is fucked and the NSA has to create a new 'black market' currency, but don't worry the CIA will still be the police, to make sure that people who rent children to fuck, pay in BTC's.
When it is MY bubble, bubble is good no? ahahahah
What a fucking joke! Does anyone remember March 2000? How is that pets.com and toys.com stock working out. All of these digital currencies will be worth the same pretty soon, $0!
I agree, this feels like so many things before. I've had these arguments before. I see way to may holes. The government has plenty of tools to crush this thing, they probably own anonymously 50+% of the market, they can easily make it illegal for retailer to accept ect ect. I remember hearing arguments against bit coin saying that other digital currencies would pop up and the bit coiners would bash them saying it wasn't possible, well its happening like crazy now. There are plenty of people getting rich on here that are commuting their bias hoping that it continues, and others feel that they may have missed the boats committing their bias hoping it fails. I didn't get in so I may be the latter, but I think I'm looking at it objectively and it doesn't look good.
Well the fucking MSM is full on this bitch now, and that draws in every fucking village idiot,
Funny if you step back and look at the SHOW, most never spent a 'dime' on their COIN, but sometime back about April 2013, it became FUCKING impossible to 'mine' BTC's, and that's when the price started going UP, because the only way for folks to get BTC's was to buy them. Today some 90% of all BTC's are mined by just 2-3 pool's.
How fucking hard is it now to MINE BTC's? Well if you had a PC it would take 100+ years, and a high performance $1,000 graphic card, maybe 1-2 years, and if you spent $50K on a mining center, maybe it would be a week. So the ROI on MINING is now FUCKED in the ARSE, unless you mine litecoin, or smaller, where the 'hard' factor is in days, rather than years of running your computer system's.
I think its no accident that TPTB chose now, when MINING was kaput to tell the MSM to tell the masses to BUY BTC's, cuz once it became impossible for nerd's to mine, then add in the social-networking IPO dollars and you have the perfect storm for a 'Pyramid Scam', note I will NOT call this a ponzi, cuz Ponzi's always PAY INTEREST.
The chances of BTC crashing after this type of Parabolic move is as sure as me banging the shit out of a drunken sorority chick in my bed on any given Friday. Git r dun!
I'm out with a new one tomorrow - "ShitCoin"
Winklevoss Bitcoin Fund: Dumb Money or Good Idea?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0cYUrcZBNY
Convert those Bitcoins to Silver Eagles now...BitBitchez.
QE drives 'social networking'
Morons with their Social-Networking $$$ buy crypto-currency,
So fucking Y2K/dot-con
QE is driven by the NSA, and crypto-coin all developed by NSA,
You would think the new kids and their easy 'spy software' gadgets would buy GOLD?
But no fucking way, they BUY into the biggest pyramid scam in human history.
Stupid MONEY fucking YES.
Winkelvoss twin fucks ( Siamese twins share common asshole ) are the ultimate example of stupid money 2013, this year will go down as the ultimate sign of 'where in the fuck did the QE money go?"
Last week I was telling everybody here that if you must buy crypto-coin buy LTC ( litecoin.org ), and last week it was $4,
Today its $50 USD, ... now that my friends is fucking god-damn parabolic.
No bigger indicator, than this thing will burst and SOON.
It just takes a few morons to pull their fingers ( out their ass ), out of the dike, cuz when the fuck-heads start redeeming, all these turds will go down.
p.s. still mining LTC's just for fun, BTC's are so hard now, that even the NSA can't mine anymore,
BUTT, and I'll say this with a BIG BUTT, I would never use real CASH ( USD, SGD, CNY ... ) to buy a fucking crypto-coin.
MYTH's of BTC ..
I hate the term 'mining', but I have to admit its been big bucks for the HW companys, cuz its gotten folks to go out and upgrade their computers to mine.
For those that mine, they quickly find that its impossible to nab coin, Now this is where the real art comes in,
There are ton's assholes just like our own folks here on ZH, that say never mind "Don't MINE, just BUY with your CASH", ... better "investment",
It's funny, but BTC mining once upon a time was a 'hobby' only a baby fucker could call BTC purchasing an 'investment'.
Coinbase has sold out of bitcoins. I just tried to buy more and the site says they are out until December 5. They will accept orders but won't give you a firm conversion rate until Dec 5
I give up , I am selling everything I own , maxing out my credit card lines , and maybe mug an old lady to
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