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China Declares "Willing To Engage In A Protracted Confrontation" With Japan As "Prime Target"

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Following the to-ing and fro-ing of the last 2 days with US and Japan "testing" China's new Air Defense Zone (ADIZ), China has not only escalated (as we noted earlier) but as the day begins in Asia is stepping up the rhetoric significantly. Official media said that Japan is the "prime target" and it is an "urgent task for China to further train its air force to make full preparation for potential conflicts." Japanese lawmakers, meanwhile, are pushing for a bill "demanding an immediate withdrawal of China's ADIZ." While the Western world goes on its merry way buying S&P futures, China's concluding message rings its most defint so far, "We are willing to engage in a protracted confrontation with Japan. Our ultimate goal is to beat its willpower and ambition to instigate strategic confrontation against China."

The Chinese just stepped up the rhetoric notably,

Via Yonhap,

China's official media pointedly said Friday that Japan is the "prime target" of Beijing's newly declared air control zone over the East China Sea, warning that China is willing to engage in "a protracted confrontation with Japan."


China's declaration of its Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ), announced last week, has sparked strong resistance from Japan, the United States, South Korea and other neighboring Asian nations. The new zone partly overlaps those of South Korea and Japan.


The U.S. flew two B-52 bombers through the Chinese zone without informing China this week. South Korea and Japan followed suit. In response, China sent several fighter jets and an early warning aircraft on patrol Thursday into the disputed air space.


In an editorial titled "Japan prime target of ADIZ tussle," the official Global Times newspaper said, "We should carry out timely countermeasures without hesitation against Japan when it challenges China's newly declared ADIZ."


"If Tokyo flies its aircraft over the zone, we will be bound to send our planes to its ADIZ," the editorial said.


"If the trend continues, there will likely be friction and confrontations and even tension in the air like in the Cold War era between the U.S. and the Soviet Union," it said.


"It is therefore an urgent task for China to further train its air force to make full preparation for potential conflicts," the editorial said.


"We are willing to engage in a protracted confrontation with Japan. Our ultimate goal is to beat its willpower and ambition to instigate strategic confrontation against China," it said.


Analysts said the Chinese declaration of air control zone is mainly aimed at bolstering its claims to a group of islets in the East China Sea at the center of a bitter territorial dispute with Japan, which are known as Diaoyu in China and Senkaku in Japan.


The Japanese are not backing down...

Via Kyodo News,

An official of Japan’s ruling Liberal Democratic Party is considering asking lawmakers to adopt a bill demanding an immediate withdrawal of China’s air defense zone in East China Sea


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Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:02 | 4198376 Trimmed Hedge
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Chinese, Japanese..

Dirty knees, look at these!

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:16 | 4198391 DoChenRollingBearing
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I do not know, but if I had to guess, I would guess that Japan could arm itself with nukes very quickly.  Japan is famous for high quality (bearings) and China is famous for low quality (bearings, cheap though).

China should perhaps be careful not to make a real enemy out of Japan (with nukes) rather than an unfriendly middling power that Japan is now.

Japan has a lot of problems, and yes China is emergent.  But, Japan may have it own surprises...


Does China also want to be enemies with S Korea, Taiwan, Vietnam, The Philippines, etc?  Russia will eventually be in their sights too re Siberia...

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:16 | 4198403 Ness.
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Japan NEEDS a War, badly.  Don't rattle that cage.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:25 | 4198424 JohnnyBriefcase
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I think every central government at this point needs a real war. It's just all those citizens who don't.

The internet has made it clear to the all citizens of the world that we are all pretty much in the same boat and have no reason to kill each other.

I really don't understand why the MIC/Governments havent shut it down. It must suit their interests in some way I'm unaware of...

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:41 | 4198447 Winston of Oceania
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SPYING on us all maybe?


Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:47 | 4198458 Four chan
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we the usa shoud side with japan because the slave state of communist china has no soul, no class, and no humility.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:57 | 4198477 Anusocracy
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And you think the US does?

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:49 | 4198683 TruthInSunshine
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I highly doubt there will be anything more than inflamed rhetoric fired between China & Japan.

Both have way too much to lose in risking a hot war over some chunks of rocks, despite the claims about those rocks being somehow resource rich.

The China-Japan tensions are greatly complicated by the fact that, despite popular belief, China & Russia are in no way, shape or form allies, and in fact, from a natural resource & geographic territory standpoint, China has far more squabbles with Russia than it does with Japan (or any other nation, for that matter).

The Chinese citizenry do harbor a great deal of hatred towards the Japanese, as do South Koreans, given Japan's wartime and peacetime brutality towards both nations' citizenry in the not so distant past, but economic & geographic disputes trump populist rage in terms of what the leadership of China is focused on at present.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 04:39 | 4198806 caustixoid
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"The Chinese citizenry do harbor a great deal of hatred towards the Japanese"

T.I.S., your comment is on the mark.  I lived in China for 3 years.  Staple Chinese TV dramas are usually set in the 'Great Asian War' with occupying Japanese soldiers depicted as cartoonish thugs, whereas the next 30 years of chinese history (the civil war, the Great Leap Forward, the Cultural Revolution and 1998 Tiananmen) are all somehow missed by TV executives ... go figure....

Chinese people are respectful to individual Japanese, but hatred of Japan is mother's milk in China.    Chinese mobs attacked the Japanese team bus during the Asian Cup of Football Finals in ?2007 when some unheeled sore was being picked at (? 500 japanese businessmen caught in a mass brothel in Shanghai?).  

If CCTV wanted, they could incite anti-Japanese pogroms in about 5 minutes.  The Chinese government carefully directs frustration in this direction when distraction is needed and as a political card, but must be careful not let things go too far, lest they oppress the protests too harshly (and look like pro-japanese) or have the discontent spread out of their control into larger domestic grievances. 

Yes, that hatred is real and unsated.  China has several cards to play if the want to up the ante.  Japanese corporations survive, like everywhere, to a large degree on chinese production.  A few well-timed factory inspections will stop hostilities faster than a shootdown party in the defense zone.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 10:31 | 4199247 BigJim
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If China are keen to ramp up domestic consumption, getting the dog-whistle Chinese consumer to boycott Japanese goods is a step in the desired direction.

<insert Chinese citizenism blobbing-up ZH running (dog) joke here>

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 05:42 | 4198855 Headbanger
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This is China's way of helping Iran militarily by showing the US we would be stretched thin on multiple war fronts if we attacked Iran

North Korea would launch against South Korea if China attacked Japan.

However, China would have both Russian and Indian forces taking advantage of any conflict

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:11 | 4198494 AlaricBalth
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Spoken by someone who has never been there.

I lived in Shanghai for 3 years and found the Chinese people I met were industrious, kind and gracious.

In my humble opinion I feel the Dragon has awakened and now stands to challenge US hegemony in the region. Japan is just a piece on the chessboard. The US is weakened by fiscal and economic constraints, and is led by a President who is the most ineffectual CIC since Carter. The US is like a rudderless ship, being pushed along by the political currents. China feels this is the optimal time to assert itself, rather than waiting a few years when the US may have a stronger, more respected leader.

This communique from the most recent Leadership Plenum in China gives a hint of what to expect.

An excerpt:

"Communique Passed at the 3rd Plenum of the 18th Congress of the Chinese Communist Party on 12 November 2013)

The Plenum pointed out that [we must] closely revolve around the objective of building a line of strong armies for this Party under new circumstances, people’s armies which listen to the Party’s instructions, can be victorious in battle and have a fine work style, strive to resolve prominent contradictions issues and issues that restrain national defence and military construction and development, innovate and develop military theory, strengthen military strategy and guidance, perfect new-era military strategies and policies, and build a modern military force system with Chinese characteristics. We must deepen military structural and personnel allocation adjustment and reform, move adjustment and reform of military policies and institutions forward, and promote the integrated and deep development of the military and the people.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:19 | 4198613 Rock On Roger
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Made me think of 'Mulan'.

You are wise AB.


Stack On

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 03:00 | 4198707 JacktheTab
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Contrary to popular misconception, Jimmy Carter got shit done.   I'm gonna cut and paste coz it's late.  


"Carter met the energy crisis by starting sweeping oil-reduction reforms, including creation of the Cabinet-level Department of Energy. He began spending millions of dollars researching alternative sources for electrical power, including solar power. He got utilities to cut their use of oil for electricity and ramp up their use of natural gas or coal.

"Up until Carter, we were getting about 20 percent of our electricity from oil generation," said Jay Hakes, director of the Energy Information Administration under Carter and an authority on modern presidents and oil. "And post-Carter, it went down to about 3 percent."

During the Jimmy Carter era, this country had made it a priority to reduce oil consumption by switching to Daylight Saving Time year-round and we kids walked to school in the dead of winter IN THE DARK.  And it worked.  Petroleum consumption went down.  Calling for, and getting, that kind of sacrifice from the American people took balls.   Jimmy Carter got shit done.  This country would be tremendously better off today if we hadn't fallen for the Reaganomics Ponzi scheme that's now got us collectively circling the drain.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 09:20 | 4198977 AlaricBalth
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I was not commenting on Carter's ability on domestic issues. Carter is a fine and decent man and has done more for the downtrodden than all of the living ex presidents combined. However as Commander in Chief (CINC) of the Armed Forces he was weak and not well respected among the brass. Carter was a graduate of the Naval Academy and should have known to cultivate better relations with his military.

All the best.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 10:28 | 4199234 BigJim
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Frankly, the less the President caters to the MIC the better it is for the rest of us.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 06:30 | 4198901 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Wow, MDB is stacked.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:54 | 4198475 Anusocracy
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China just wants to exercise its God given right to drop two nukes on Japan.

Japan, with US encouragement, is trying to give them a reason to.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 03:54 | 4198762 Lore
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There is no need. Fukushima prefecture is essentially nuked already, with the help of technology from 'friends.' The nation is crippled and shows no sign of remediation. The economy is on the verge of implosion, held together by nothing but QE and lack of critical mass of public awareness.  Leadership among neighboring countries should be banding together to help their neighbor, not bickering over rocks. Abe is in over his head and needs help. 

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 10:04 | 4199130 Zadig
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It's the best circus for a large part of the population.  The permanent disappearance of free porn, youtube, and file sharing might be the only thing to get people into the streets.

Online banking and shopping is lucrative too, so some of the oligarchs would object even if the MIC & puppets want to put censorship first.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:33 | 4198434 prains
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both the Japanese and Germans serve their nSSA/uSSA masters, don't be surprised that what's happening is a front for your masters. Japan is the nSSA oriental "hezbollah", just with shorter dudes who speak quicker is all.....

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 03:40 | 4198761 Rantabulous
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I don't know why the Chinese are escalating. Surely the smart play for them is to wait for the Japanese economy to implode and then do some kind of Louisiana Purchase deal/agreement.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 05:57 | 4198875 Ar-Pharazôn
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really? send the youngs to death? in japan?


you must be kidding

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:17 | 4198406 LetThemEatRand
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So both countries have small balls of steel.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:20 | 4198414 DoChenRollingBearing
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Ha ha

Your point introduces all kinds of questions:

1) Whose are harder?  Whose more prone to cracking?

2) Whose has better raw material to start with?

3) Which could last longer?  Who needs more lube?

Mmm, complicated!

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 10:30 | 4199246 BorisTheBlade
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Japan's are the advanced ones, China has more of them.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:20 | 4198412 joego1
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Gee, I wonder where Japan could get some hot fuel rods for a nuke?

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:20 | 4198417 Rock On Roger
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The Rape of Nanking

China will get payback.


Stack On

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:38 | 4198431 Jlasoon
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Payback's a bitch !! Nanking is the Chinese version of Auschwitz. The Chinese will never forget that.

1st - Hiroshima & Nagasaki

2nd - Fukushima

3rd - Chinese Kaboom-A-Shima

Japan might finally disappear after this one is over. 


Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:06 | 4198492 Hulk
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The Japanese could have apologized and that would have went a long way to healing this wound, but they don't even recognize the rape of nanking in their history. This doesn't end well now, the Chinese are not the disorganized mess they were in WW II

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:25 | 4198511 Rock On Roger
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Shanghai fell and the Tokyo stock market soared.




Stack On

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:36 | 4198664 Freddie
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The lefties and other often talk about "white racists."  One fellow posting here stated his hot head Chinese girlfriend blurted out something about black devils.  He asked her what about him and she said he was a "white devil." 

I recall hanging around one Asian web site and the posters all hated each other.  These people go back thousands of years ago and they almost invented racism. They fought and killed each other for probably a dozen or more centuries.

One interesting aspect was the USA encouraging South Korea on what they needed to spend on defense.  We all know MIC wanted to sell them stuff.  Well the South Koreans did not want to buy weapons to protect themsleves from North Korea.  They want to buy weapons to fight Japan.  The modern Japanese come of as kindly work-a-holics but the Koreans and Chinese still hate them. 

Then you have the Chinese and Vietnamese and on and on.  Japan?  No way they are an offensive threat.  They have too many problems. 

China is after any offshore oil and nat gas.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:55 | 4198473 Hengist
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China twice tried to invade Japan, the Japanese no doubt have never forgotten that.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:58 | 4198704 CrashisOptimistic
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Oh for God's sake WAKE THE FUCK UP.

This isn't 1800.  This is 2013, and in 2013 EVERYTHING DEPENDS ON OIL.

You want Japan defeated?  You don't bomb them.  You don't invade them.  YOU CUT THEM OFF.  They have no domestic oil supply.  It's all imported, and it's coming from the Middle East.  You bomb the tankers.  You only have to bomb one.  Then the insurance companies won't let any more sail.

You pinch them off and then inform them what their national policy is going to be from now on.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 03:13 | 4198737 Rock On Roger
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A LNG tanker would light up nicely.

Oh, spectacular BLEVE.


Stack On

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 03:19 | 4198744 Rock On Roger
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Did someone let Lloyds of London know?


Stack On

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 06:50 | 4198911 edotabin
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Cutting off Japan's oil flow was also used as a tactic prior to WW II while they were at war with China.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 14:42 | 4200078 Joe A
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In the 1940s that caused Pearl Habor

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:24 | 4198419 WOAR
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Their constitution forbids the nuclear option.

It could be changed, but then they wouldn't be accountable to the other article of their constitution, that they not have a standing army.

Both of these provision were put in place by the U.S. after WWII. They could only be changed if the U.S. wanted them to be changed (otherwise, Japan would become a loose canon, like our version of North Korea).

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:33 | 4198432 oak
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none of the us, uk, russia, france and china will allow japan has the nuclear option. that it is.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:02 | 4198489 Anusocracy
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Iran would allow them.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:44 | 4198451 Mike in GA
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With the disdain our current "leaders" have for our Constitution one little article in the Japanese constitution ain't even a speed bump.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:46 | 4198456 suteibu
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Keep up.  Changing the Constitution is on Abe's list of things to do (in this case, aggressively urged by the US).  This spat with China will probably move Constitutional reform up the list.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:13 | 4198496 icanhasbailout
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Following of constitutions is a barbarous relic.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:08 | 4198485 asiafinancenews
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"Russia will eventually be in their sights too re Siberia..."

Already is:

China to Engage in 'Six Inevitable Wars' Involving U.S., Japan, India and More, According to Pro-Government Chinese Newspaper

6. “Recover the territory seized by Russia” (2055-2060)

The article recognizes the current good relations between China and Russia but insists that “China never forgets the lands lost to Russia” in past centuries, adding that “when the chance comes, China will take back the lands.”

The article is predictably confident that all wars would be won by the Chinese side, and Russia is no different: “After the victories of previous five wars, it is time to make Russians pay the price.”

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 03:33 | 4198756 Uber Vandal
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Keep in mind the history of the area.

Japan is still not very well liked by many in Korea and the Phillipines, and also, don't forget that over 100 years ago, Japan humiliated Russia with the Russo-Japanese War, and Russia interfered with China's interests over a century ago as well.

There was this failed painter from Austria who was still irate with the raw deal he felt Germany got from France, and the UK at the end of WWI and we know how that turned out, including having France sing their surrender in the very railroad car that Germany signed their surrender in.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 10:00 | 4199119 flapdoodle
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I suspect the Russians feel they got their respect back and got revenge for the Russo-Japanese war when Zhukov cleaned the Japanese Army's clock at Khalkhin Gol in Manchuria in 1938-39... note that Japan never declared war against USSR after Pearl Harbor...

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 05:53 | 4198871 qmhedging
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Meanwhile,"China President Xi Jinping inspected the Jinan
military region yesterday, the official Xinhua News Agency
• Xi called for implementation of the party’s goal of a strong military, Xinhua says
• Xi urged building a strategic reserve force, Xinhua says
• Xi inspected new training facilities, Xinhua says"

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 09:52 | 4199099 overqualified
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maybe japan is just looking for where to drop all that Fuku plutonium and sh*t

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:14 | 4198401 floyd084
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Chinese, Japanese..

Dirty Knees, Buy S & P's

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 11:37 | 4199494 Sofa King Confused
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Remember Nanjing?

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:02 | 4198380 holdbuysell
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He who owns the gold makes all the rules...

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:08 | 4198493 Anusocracy
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He who makes all the rules owns all the gold.

Modern version under democracy.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 06:27 | 4198900 TheFourthStooge-ing
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He who holds the gold in unaudited vaults leases it out (whereupon it is sold and rehypothecated), leaving paper IOU claims in its place.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:09 | 4198390 Seize Mars
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They're all taking orders from Lord R. and D-Rock.

All fake, all the time.

Total bullshit. There is no conflict. It's made up. This is cover for the currency collapse and reset that we all know is overdue.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:00 | 4198486 kito
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Actually there is no conflict, made up or not. China pussed out. End of story. They are acting like their little loud mouthed son North Korea. All talk, no walk.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:35 | 4198518 Zero Point
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I'll hold judgement on that till I hear if the US sent more planes over, while the Chinese carrier and missile frigates were there.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:41 | 4198526 kito
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oh please. china blew it. they overplayed their hand. stupid. you cant declare you will deem non commercila flights into the zone a defense threat and then sit on your hands as south korea and the u.s. piss all over you. there is no conflict. all bluster, no muster.

just as they were building a sphere of influence, they just set themselves back in a BIG way. 

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:48 | 4198540 Zero Point
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Maybe. As I say, I haven't yet heard if the US has called this "bluff".

All previous military flights didn't fly over floating SAM sites.

I agree though, it's pretty strange that China have painted themselves into a corner like this.

Uncharacteristic of modern China really.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 06:56 | 4198912 kareninca
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The Chinese say that they will send their planes through Japan's ADIZ.  If they do  - and I am sure they will, if Japan keeps flying through China's  -  that will drive the Japanese absolutely berserk.

This has just begun; to say that there is no muster after just a day or so, is precipitous.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 06:08 | 4198884 Ar-Pharazôn
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usa have made a great experience in sinking big ships with the japanese

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 06:24 | 4198897 unrulian
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something needs to keep crude prices up....has to be conflict somewhere to keep that barbaric relic flowing

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:10 | 4198393 Yen Cross
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  All the Chinese need to do is threaten to cut off Japans suppy lines and they'll be up shit creek without a paddle. Japan has already devalued the yen by 40% this year. One little disruption in Abenomics and it's game-set-match.

  I guess Japan wants to use it's nuclear option to stimulate inflation.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:11 | 4198394 Rakshas
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Well that's just GREAT!!!

I normally fly to work via HKG then fly home via NRT - double my chances of getting Obama'd - Fuck it I'm moving to Syria.......


Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:17 | 4198405 The Shootist
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Kabuki theatre.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:35 | 4198436 disabledvet
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I disagree.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:44 | 4198450 Rusty Shorts
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Oye, "Pacific Theatre" ... does that work for ya??

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:57 | 4198481 disabledvet
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nope. more like "raise shields, prepare for maximum" (whatever.)

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:18 | 4198408 The Wisp
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I'm missing something in the trade Line angle.. Japan does a lot of Intricate parts, but they have outsourced a lot of that, maybe China is betting  Japan has lost it's edge and China can just steal the outsourced work and doesn't need the island. but the USA still has to defend Japan.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:17 | 4198409 joego1
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It seems like if China just waited a while until the yen collapses they would have an easier time with the Island purchase.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:19 | 4198410 erg
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Everyone either running for or creating cover. The mad scramble continues apace. It's hard to forever bullshit your way through false numbers. The veil of lies grows threadbare such that all can see.

The Japanese have high-tech and a serious threnody of fatalism.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:19 | 4198413 Oldwood
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Reconstruction money for Japan after China blows it to shit is bullish, right?

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:21 | 4198415 Fred123
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Obviously China is having problems at home so they are creating an enemy to distract the population. I know some Chinese teachers working in SE Asia and most will not go back to China because there are no jobs. The Chinese population is getting restless. Also, the teachers I spoke to did not realize that the number of Chinese killed by the Japanese was only 8-15% of the total killled by their own government - specifically the Great Leader Mao. They could not believe he would do that. Their ignorance is stunning as well as their willingness to obey those above them. They use the term 'just do it' instead of questioning the usefulness of a task. It is very easy to understand why the GDP per capita is so low, they spend a large portion of their time doing useless, unproductive tasks.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:48 | 4198534 buttmint
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I have many friends that teach throughout China and they are getting fed up and departing, why? The schools cheat them out of their hard earned wages. This is becoming a serious problem. One has their visa in order, worked their butts off and in the end, the school challenges YOU to sue them in the Chinese courts.

Let this be a lesson to those wanting to head to China to teach English, the sciences, etc: give it a skip. Head to Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand, etc. You might not make as much, but at least you'll get paid what is due. China is deliberately pissing off and getting rid of the wound eyes American and Euro teachers in its land.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:45 | 4198677 Freddie
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+1 Fred & ButtMint.

Everything the Chinese govt does is to keep the populace employed in some way to keep things growing aka like some sort of construction ponzi.   Some of them are skimming the money and moving to the west.

People look at the ghost cities and shake their heads but it is all for "harmony" to avoid any uprisings by the people.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:28 | 4198426 toady
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Will the western powers be able to stay out of it, or will they get dragged into it?

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:53 | 4198467 Seize Mars
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Remember the magician distracts while doing sleight of hand.

As the far east gets noisy, look at the center of the chessboard: Iran just inked a nuclear power deal with the US and friends. Iran then says that the version advertised by Obama is full of distortions, etc.

If the center gets problematic (Syria / Iran), flip to the far east. If the far east won't work, look back at the center. The real action is the center, for debt control of Syria and Iran, with concomitant printing power that comes from oil.

The unseen nexus is London and New York: there is a real need to blow up the USD. They aren't going away and they aren't going to forget. They NEED this.

So to address your question directly, this IS the "western powers."

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:28 | 4198427 Yenbot
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History in the region is quite instructive. All parties involved will not hesitate to kill. Barry, especially, is quite good at it.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:29 | 4198428 Dre4dwolf
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We should of let china get taken over by Japan back in WWII

We would of had a more loyal puppet government than what we have in China.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:43 | 4198530 Dr. Bonzo
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I think what you meant to say was, we should have gotten involved in the Chinese civil war and backed Chiang Kai Shek. "Maybe" Chiang would have been kept in check with Western influence; Japan's imperial ambitions might have been thwarted early precluding the entire part of the Asian WWII debacle, to say nothing of the emergence of a Red China. Maybe. This sort of rear-view mirror reverse chrystal ballism never quite pans out as one suspects. A bit like playing Federal Reserve chairman. The history you thought you knew, you didn't really know. Just like the market Bernanke thinks he understands, he really doesn't understand.


Too many moving parts.


Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:33 | 4198433 disabledvet
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Said it before...say it again: "terrifying."

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:53 | 4198470 Rusty Shorts
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Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:43 | 4198529 disabledvet
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i'd like to say thanks but "just in time for the holiday season" strikes me as no accident.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:33 | 4198435 doggis
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china says no more balance sheet expansion - no increase in USD$. china tapers! 

japan's teeth are rotted through with soveriegn debt. one punch and all the jap's teeth falls out.

usa is bankrupt.

[what do these three things have in common? answer - senkaku islands]


Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:39 | 4198444 yogibear
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All China, Russia and others have to do is destroy the derivatives. A house of cards.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:20 | 4198505 chindit13
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What debt, China or Japan, causes more concern? 

Japan's sovereign-level debt is well known and has been debated ad nauseum.  China's system debt is just becoming more clear, and it is butt ugly, too.  Of course, anyone paying attention knows even a centrally planned government cannot force feed 40% worth of GDP in new debt through the banking system every year without it leading to servicing issues.  It is also becoming increasingly clear that Chinese industry doesn't generate any more profit than its SOEs, but instead has relied on export as a loss leader and yuan generator (PBoC exchanges FX export revenues for fresh yuan), and has let RE spec gains cover for losses from ongoing operations.  Note that China's SSE is still down 67% from 2008 despite a claimed average of 8%/yr GDP growth.  Also note that the oft-mentioned bucket of Chinese FX reserves is merely the result of a system built on a vertically integrated loss-making export machine.  It is not free and unencumbered capital;  it is quite the opposite.  It is serial re-hypothecation, Middle Kingdom style.  If one tried to break down this Rube Goldberg contraption, at the core China's economy is essentially backed by the full faith and credit of the CUSIP numbers on the reserves it holds in USTs.  It is a Potemkin village erected on top of another Potemkin village.

Japan will have to print to cover JGB debt service.  How will Japan's population react?  China will have to print when banking system debts go bad (note Tyler's recent article showing that $15 trillion in asset additions since 2008, at a time when world growth was pretty bad...doesn't say much for the value of the assets or the stability of the debt backing them), or tell depositors "sorry, it's all gone".  How will China's population react? 

How much Japanese elite money has been exiting Japan over the last few years?  How much elite Chinese money has been exiting China over the last few years?  The answer to the first is "not much".  The answer to the second is "bucket loads".  Assuming the Chinese elite understand their own people, what does that say about the elite's opinion of China's future prospects?

China's two decade re-emergence on to the world stage, after it took much of the last millennium off, might turn out to be like that comet.  Oh, that's Kahoutek, not Ison.  It might be prudent to wait a bit before ordering that Putonghua software from Rosetta Stone.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 03:25 | 4198750 janus
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brilliant, chindit13

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 09:39 | 4199068 S5936
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Yup , butt ugly it is.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:37 | 4198440 yogibear
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When all else fails the oligarchs take us to war.

First it was Syria, Russia said don't go there. Now it's China.

War it is.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:42 | 4198527 Rock On Roger
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Beer and weed are good value.


Stack On

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:48 | 4198453 yogibear
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The US carriers should be positioning soon to standoff with China.

Will China be the puppy dog with it's tail between it's legs?


Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:48 | 4198455 sbenard
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Where is the Propaganda Press on this? China is seeking to provoke a conflagration, and they are AWOL! They'll ignore the story because it makes Obambi look asleep at the switch -- incompetent! Then, when it blows up into a regional war (or worse), they'll try to tell us that "no one could see it coming", just as they always do with asset bubbles. Zero Hedge saw it coming and warned us!

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:49 | 4198459 sbenard
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Meanwhile, Obambi wants to ignite a firestorm in Syria!

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:49 | 4198462 the 300000000th...
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Blah Blah Blah they are both a bunch of pussies, I double dog dare them to fight. They won't, pussies.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:51 | 4198464 wisehiney
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This shiot always, always happens at Thanksgiving.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:55 | 4198554 Rock On Roger
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So thankful for war. /s

I went to a funeral today for a ninety year old man whose brother died flying the thirtieth mission in 1943. He (L.F.) died for banksters.

Fuck amen and his fucking war. Humans have had enough.


Stack On

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:53 | 4198469 Dickdo
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ZeroHedge wants us all "Willing to Engage in A Protracted Confrontation" with Asian Lady on banner ad?

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:55 | 4198476 Colonel Klink
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ZeroHedge wants us all "Willing to Engage in A Protracted Confrontation" with our corrupt banking and government.

Fixed that for you.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:13 | 4198598 buttmint
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careful, that is my Asian wife. But since she pays the rent and bills here in HK, you are welcome to her...shortime only.

If you've been to Asia, you know that term, if you have not been to Asia and are landlocked, your only hope is to read all of Neal Stephenson's early works: "Snow Crash, Diamond Age, Cryptonimcon, etc." Stephenson was was ahead of the curve. He accurately writes about the ascension of the Asian femme fatale. Plus other items.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:55 | 4198474 yogibear
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Post on the Chinses blogs monitored by the PLA and piss them off.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:58 | 4198478 Sizzurp
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Who will be the first to have a bird splashed?  China seems eager to flex their muscle and play with that new carrier.  I think this is about to get very real, probably with a Japanese bird in the drink and China thumping its chest saying "yeah we did it, wut chu gonna do now bitchez?"

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:07 | 4198584 buttmint
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The new Chinese aircraft carrier is bait. It is already at the bottom of the China Sea. All part of China's Grand Plan.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:58 | 4198482 STG5IVE
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The Japanese best not be gettin' up in the Chinese grill else dey be sendin' Master Wong over to deal with the issue

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:54 | 4198545 Things that go bump
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Perry landed in Japan in 1852 and found a feudal society still using swords and bows and arrows. The Japanese put the Portuguese and their Jesuits out in the 17th century and closed their country to the world, quarantining themselves like we were a disease. While they could manufacture guns, they found no honor in their use and clung to their traditional forms of warfare, in which single combat figured prominantly. But once the country was opened it took them less than 100 years to nearly overran half the world, and then within 30 years they rose from ruin to nearly overrun the world again with their manufacturing prowess. I doubt if the warrior has been bred out of that race.   

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:06 | 4198577 Rock On Roger
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The emperor is the son of god and all races of the earth must bow to the god.


Stack On

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:07 | 4198585 Dr. Bonzo
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LOL. Great Cliff Notes, but on that latter part...? I frequently find myself wondering that same thing on a casual stroll through Ikebukero when I indulge at one of my favorite kurukuru dives. Where did all the samurai go. Lol. No, better yet, after wrapping up the conveyor belt sushi shop hop the Yamanote to Akihabara, quite possibly my favorite computer-zone in the whole wide world... and watch the latent offspring of samurai, 7 generations removed... skunking through Akihabara's various neon drenched computer arcades and back alleys. All the otaku slinking in and out of these divey little haunts, deftly avoiding all eye contact on their way through lala land.

Well, one thing the Japanese have stubbornly clung to... no one does suicide better than the Japanese. That much is certain. Or freaky sex fetishes for that matter. Hmm.... I see a connection. Demands further investigation. I shall hasten over to Ueno Station's love hotels, or maybe just run straight to Shinjuku and report back with my findings.



Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:51 | 4198655 Things that go bump
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Can't write a treatise here, but give them a purpose and those shamefaced otaku slinking through those dives might surprise you. Another thing the Japanese have always been good at is working towards a common cause.   

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 06:10 | 4198888 Dr. Bonzo
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I actually wrote as much in a paper for one of my 400-lvl East Asia courses, Japanese Political Economy something something, basically applying your hypothetical. Funny, these days, depending on which way the wind blows, I'm inclined to agree. Other days, I might take the contrarian position. Definitely a meaty topic for a lengthy sit down and mongo stacks of suchi plates at the kurukuru. Ice cold beers obligatory.


See ya there.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 14:15 | 4199990 Things that go bump
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First round is on me.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 10:41 | 4199294 flapdoodle
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Perry found the Japanese were using swords because the Samurai class went on strike hundreds of years before when they got fed up with the fact that lowly peasants could kill them with muskets.

The Japanese copied, and improved on, the muskets they got from the Portugese and from shipwrecked westerners. The craftsmanship of the Japanese weapons was typically *much* better than what was available in Europe at the same time (check out the specimens in a Japanese vs Europpean museum if you don't believe me)

The Samurai were resentful that their lifetime of effort to be a... well, Samurai could be ended by a lucky shot from a snot-nosed bumpkin from Kyushu, and got *all* firearms banned from Japan - they went for the preserving the status-quo, and it worked right up to 1852. 



Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:33 | 4203768 Kobe Beef
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Were the firearms used in the Satsuma Rebellion manufactured in Kyushu? No. From whom? smuggled in by Jardine Mattheson.

Did the poor province of Satsuma finance its own rebellion? no. Who did? Dunno, but Jacob Schiff arrived shortly after.

So the story of the Fall of the Shogunate really comes down to the Hong Kong Dope Lords and the Rothschild Financial Empire partnering with some pissed off, dirt poor, provincial landholders and some emerging merchant families who were on their way to becoming the Zaibatsu. 

If you're gonna have war, somebody's got to arm it and finance it. Wonder what they got in return? Who owns the Bank of Japan?

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:12 | 4198495 wisehiney
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<--------Sell off - rates up.

<--------Safey bid - rates down.


How do treasuries respond?

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:26 | 4198510 chump666
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Watch the USD and USTs, also JGBs.

China's 10yr spiked yesterday.


Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:17 | 4198503 AngelEyes00
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It's much more fun to watch all these QE , ZIRP, ballooning debt, empty stock market value perceptions, real estate shenanigans, and any other fiscal follies that are going on across the globe, continually building to higher crescendos of impossibility of fiat sustainability or debt repayment, rather than the excuse of war to obfuscate from our impending economic doom.  No, no, let's see how much the whole thing can be squeezed to ever greater nonsensicalness before resorting to volley's of pyre.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:19 | 4198504 starman
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Fucking nukem both!

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:20 | 4198506 yogibear
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The US and Europe helped create the Chinese monster. It's grown into a mighty industrial giant. More so than Japan did in the late 30's.

Now the Chinese monster can pounce on the weakened US and Europe. 

Russia joins in soon. Enjoy the fun.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:22 | 4198508 chump666
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This is bad.


Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:27 | 4198512 Cult of Criminality
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Move along , nothing to see here.

Just buy the fucking dip you fucking idiot!!

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:36 | 4198517 yogibear
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Mess with Japan and the US has it's base in Okinawa to pounch on China.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:46 | 4198532 Conax
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Trade deficits matter.  Who knew?

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:47 | 4198533 jonjon831983
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Two biggest holders of UST... what could go wrong?

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:48 | 4198538 IridiumRebel
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There's still gonna be a Xmas right? I'm buying a couple few 92" NSA TVs in about 4 hours whilst beating back other bargain hunting debt serfs and can't deal with a fuckin pause in my Chinese shit trinket purchases.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:07 | 4198586 Rock On Roger
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Hope you got Bitcoin.


Stack On

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:29 | 4198649 IridiumRebel
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I missed that boat.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:13 | 4198549 Dr. Bonzo
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Everyone will have to come to grips with the idea that actually, a nice military brouhaha far away from all real population centers, somewhere out in the Pacific... is what all involved parties really desire. A sort of Falklands War Redux for the Asian Theater. Plenty of sabre rattling, You-Shot-Down-My-Fighter-Jets-I-Sunk-Your- Battelship tit-for-tat, some military skirmishes on some distant rocks, etcetera etcetera.

War is that next great tool in the Keynesian toolbox. Isn't it obvious this is coming? Both countries find themselves in a great bind and desperarely need this sort of distraction. And nothing distracts the frothing masses more than evildoer invaders intent on infringing on your _ _ _ _ _ _ territories.

As for me, I'm just absolutely delighted and thrilled to see that with the legacy of the 20th century write large in our rearview mirror we hasten to do it allllllllll over again, post haste.



Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:05 | 4198574 buttmint
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China will never cease in its drive to "reunify" Taiwan, formerly known as Formosa. This might be the right time to introduce to all the fine historical writing by Barbara Tuchman who wrote "Stillwell and the American Experience in China." Check with Amazon. You need this book on your bookshelf.

It is a must-read. Follow this up with Googling two US Foreign Affair Officers on the ground, who spoke fluent Chinese and were discredited by the McCartyh witch hunt of the 1950s:

John Patton Davies and Jack Service. Read the Tuchman book first, then dispatches and books by Davies and Service. Those guys got crucified.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:10 | 4198590 Rock On Roger
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'God is my Copilot'

That was a good read.


Stack On

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:27 | 4198638 buttmint
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lmfao...I read that book...TWICE! By Colonel Scott! The guy is nosediving his hot metal-firing P40 WarHawk(with TigerShark mouth paint) into some supposed target of disdain and he goes off into the Twilight Zone discussing "...what am I so enjoying this killing of helpless twats?"

He comes up with: "....CocaCola, WonderBread and all the great things make America Great." This is what drives American Samurai: WonderBread. Tom Wolfe in "The Right Stuff" gives more than kudos to Colonel Scott and his Divine Intervention. Classic Book, a must-read.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:10 | 4198589 Atomizer
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Guess who the red headed step child is? Orchestrating false messages….faith and trust does collapse when you call wolf to many times. People will reconnect under present circumstances to survive.

Marcy Playground - St. Joe On The School Bus

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:13 | 4198599 YHC-FTSE
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The trouble is, every Central Banker needs a war right now.  Seriously.  I don't like this one bit. 

Any minute now the goons at Langley will get a call to send one of their psychopaths to the region with a Stinger missile. Just too strange - China could have defused the radioactive Japanese cretins (who appear to think that this is the beginning of the last century), with one discreet skype chat with Yellen. 

It's their backyard and I couldn't give a toss as long as they stayed at the bickering stage of this 'conflict',  but if I had to choose,  I'd tell that crazy Abe to fuck off. No Japan, you can't keep the islands you stole during your last empire expansion!  You lost all claims the moment you lost the war, sirry iriot. 

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 04:11 | 4198782 Manipuflation
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So correct.  Don't forget the Kurils.  I asked Mrs. M about visiting Vladivostok one day.  She looked at me cross and asked if I was the idiot.  She has no interest in even seeing the other side of her own country.  She says it is very corrupt there.  No shit?  Really?LOL  For some reason, I really want to see that part of the world anyway.   

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:26 | 4198634 evernewecon
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Proudly Re-Introducing

The Word Irrelevant



We're 2/3rds,



1/2 The Way To 



Of CO2.


As To Energy The Following

Are Irrelevant:


Nuclear Absent Sea Change

(Sad Pun Not Intended)



(Pointless For Energy.  China's

Taking Advantage Of Japan's

Weakened State, But 

Also Dimming Everyone's



Coal Absent Sea Change

(I Can't Imagine An



Sea Change)


Offshore Drilling


Destabilizing The Arctic


Fracking, But For Isolated/

Safest Locations (Case By

Case/Rare--It's Being Banned In

Some States But That's Unlikely In Others) In Tandem

With Safest Onshore, As A

Bridge To 100% Renewables.

Texans, You're Not As 

Amorphous As You Think.

This Is The Era Of The 

Cliff Barnes'es.!Dallas_Barnes.jpg


XL' s Irrelevant.

Even As To Export Revenue,

It's Trickle Down From Interests 

That I (Happen To) View As Not Supportive

Of Efficient Economics Or Democratic Process.


Was Japan's Nuclear

Energy Supply Chain An

Imitation, Whether Or Not

Created Entirely Domestically

Or With U.S. Influence, Of The

Monopolistic Oil Supply Chain

Of The 1900's In The U.S.?



Did International Divisiveness

Cause The Inevitability Of

The Like Of The Fukushima

Accident With/Without

The Profiteers Intending On

The Purpose Of Division?


Is Lending To Unqualified

Mortgagors For Various

Tranche-Selling (And 

Shorting) Akin To



 Lending To

New Oil Drillers With Lenders

Interested In Taking The

Fields Upon Loan Call, With

Help From Oil Supply Spurts

(If In Fact It Occurred?)



Speaking Realistically, It's

Only Cause Of Advancing

Technology That Optimists

Such As Myself Think 100%

Renewables Is Attainable

Within A Generation.

As To Fracking, It's Actually

Only Highly Select Locations

That Have Coincident Long

Reserves And A Political 

Impracticality For Non-

Continuation.  Everywhere

Else It's Entirely Not Worth

Destroying The Environment.

I Reject This Person's


 Idea Of 100% Renewables 

Within A Generation Being 

Unattainable As Being

Xxxxxstingly Presumptuous

As To Advancing Tech Over

The Next Generation.



The Partnership Between 

Banking And Oil Of A Nature

Greater Than In Other Areas

Historically, It Seems To Me,

Combined With Each Field's

Ability To Further Gain

Size And Market Concentration

With Likely (Speculating:)


Production Of Excess Supply

Confluent With Excessive 

Lending, Followed Essentially

By The Calling Of Loans On

Properties And Shorting Of

Mortgage Instruments, Has

Worked Hand In Hand With

Growing Both The Mortgage

And Oil Distribution Chain 

Markets By Way Of 

Developing Urban Sprawl.

The Boomers And Now The

X'rs, Though Have Of Course

Already Re-Discovered 

Downtown, And I Don't See

The Bankers And Oil Leaders'

Prior Efforts Being A Forecloser

Of A More Efficient, Livable,

Healthier Future.


Of Course, It's Been Claimed

Divisiveness Has Been 

Capitalized On For The 

Construction Of Car

Dependent City Outlying

Areas.   I Personally Actually

Consider That A Reach.

People Simply Famously 

Returned From WWII Wanting

Homes In Suburbs, I'd Say.

Though I Agree Divisiveness

Is Used To Misdirect From

Undemocratic Process,

Divisiveness Didn't Build


It Was Simply A Mistake 

Leaving Development In

The Hands Of People Willing

To Turn Those Regions Into

Physical Fast Food Menus.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 03:20 | 4198745 Fred123
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What utter garbage. Learn how to communicate sonny.....

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 05:17 | 4198837 waterdude
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What a cunning stunt

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 07:03 | 4198917 TheFourthStooge-ing
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A Better Place

For This Pantload

Is Squatting Down

Beside The Road


Burma Shave

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:59 | 4198703 blissfully ignorant
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They are like little kids fighting over toys. Unfortunately their actions do have greater implications than those of toddlers

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 03:59 | 4198775 ebworthen
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Well, you know...if the U.S.S.A. doesn't draw the line on this air space Sendaku islands affair with China you will know they have thrown Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea under the bus for cheap iPhones and Flat Screens for Serf masses of the U.S.S.A.

Will be interesting to watch, just like the FED and the rest of the kleptoligarchial circus clowns running the show here on the continent.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 05:39 | 4198854 Dre4dwolf
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Japan is a fucking radioactive waste land, they can't even stop one rogue reactor from irradiating the planet, what makes china think japan can even fight back in a war right now? 

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 06:12 | 4198890 q99x2
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I hope Mr. and Mrs. Gox's tech guy doesn't get drafted. Maybe he won't have to go due to alcoholism.

Hey China ain't doing nothing but practicing anyhow. If they wanted to stop the Western elite from trying to pull a hoarder's corner on their offshore petroleum fields they'd hire a sharpshooter and go oligarch hunting. They are basically doing live training sessions to improve their defenses so that when they fuck the western morons giving them loans and tech they will be prepared to kick some ass.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 07:07 | 4198921 toomuchtom
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Fri, 11/29/2013 - 07:09 | 4198922 stock trout
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US Navy deploys VF 16 squadron to Okinawa, leaving Jacksonville today.


Fri, 11/29/2013 - 07:18 | 4198926 lolmao500
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Fri, 11/29/2013 - 07:58 | 4198935 falak pema
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Big Issue here is South China Sea oil potential being disputed by ASEAN countries (Nam+ Indonesia+ Philip...) and China/Taiwan/Japan...with US big naval stick as "neutral arbitrator" having vital commercial cum geopolitical interests that China does not go hegemonial in this region. Once again OIL dominates geopolitics.

Big play now being ratcheted up, as USA is clearly moving out of ME hegemony (too costly to keep troops in Pak/Afgh-Iraq-Iraq-Syria-MENA soup). As USA scales down the ME game it will scale up the South China Sea game against its current MAIN industrial partner who will become its MAIN rival for world domination in five years; based on current momentum.

The whole world knows that and Putin is part of that geopolitical cum energy equation; whence Putin's play in Syria and now South Africa nuclear. That guy is in cahoots with China on $ reserve active demining (like a mega Bitcoin miner)!

The great chess game, as perceived by US (or great Go game, as perceived by China) is ON!

With Japan looking on a big potential loser from its pivotal role in the region, as part of US trilateral partner; (surrogate and passive as defeated WW2 puppet); of the bygone "golden" age of Pax Americana; now under deep global financial strain and inhouse political cum social pain. 

Obammy does what his Oligarchy overlords tell him to do in SOUTH CHINA seas. The dame from Shanghai is now active part of the East Asia game hotting up (in Fuku sparkle and Oil kabuki theatricals from Nippon perspective). 

BTW : Foxconn is active in increasing its production potential in south china region, Yahoo loves the upsurge of Ali Baba shares which are supposed to IPO soon. And China has big plans to turn itself from a producer nation to a consumer cum industrial world dominator. So don't count out the Dame from Shanghai as dissolute lady who wants to live in Cali penthouse! 

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 08:08 | 4198945 Quinvarius
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China sets the exchange rates for the USD and the EUR in their country, thus dictaing how much each currency can buy of their goods.  Since they make everything, they set the exchange rates defacto.  All they have to do is set the USD down 20% and the EUR up 20%, and this war will end.  They have over a trillion in USD to play with.  The US has no manufacturing power and thus no way to control what the value of currency is without cooperation. 

The West already lost this war.  And China will nationalize all the factories the idiots who outsourced sent over there to complete the coup.  The united states is almost an exact template of Weimar, right down to the gold we owe.  Coming out of war.  Owe gold to everyone.  Paper currency.  Industrial base owned and controlled by other countries.  Idiots and criminals in government.  Massive debt.  Problems with collectivists.  I am glad the bankers are still struggling.  Stupid people in power making bad decisions create great short term opportunities.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 08:45 | 4198988 BandGap
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With all this talk about China, Japan has the best trained navy in the world. They have an excellent airforce, as well. Both are trained in defensive capabilities. While they would be overwhelmed in a 1:1 conflict they should be able to hold out till help arrives.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 09:22 | 4199028 Izznogood
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Why doesn't China simply declare war and get it over with ...?

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 10:14 | 4199169 Mi Naem
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They must show that Japan is repeating their aggressions of the past to really heat up the patriotic testosterone of their citizens and fighting men. 

Just wondering: does China also let their girls into combat? 

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 09:24 | 4199032 donpaulo
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anyone who thinks that Japan is somehow going to gain anything from this situation is sorely misinformed about the situation.

China will emerge from this in a stronger position

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 09:24 | 4199034 1stepcloser
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The MIC just released a statement "Xmas came early"

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