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China Re-Escalates, Deploys Warplanes To Air Defense Zone

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A few days ago, in the latest escalation over the its territorial dispute with Japan regarding several islands in the East China Sea, China unveiled a so-called "Air Defense Identification" zone, shown on the map below, which includes not only the Diaoyu/Senkaku islands in question, but stretches from South Korea all the way to Taiwan, and which requires that any overflights submit their plans to Beijing in advance.

The response by Japan and the US was immediate, with Japan blasting China's retaliation to its own annexation of the Senkakus a year earlier and demonstratively neither Japan Airlines nor ANA complying with China's demands, while the US, demonstrating its allegiance to Japan, flew B-52 bombers above the Air Defense Zone.

China promptly responded to what it perceived was Western hypocrisy:

China's announcement to establish an Air Defense Identification Zone in East China Sea has drawn criticism from the United States and Japan, yet their blame is wrong.


Their logic is simple: they can do it while China can not, which could be described with a Chinese saying, "the magistrates are free to burn down houses while the common people are forbidden even to light lamps."


It is known to all that the United States is among the first to set up an air defense zone in 1950, and later more than 20 countries have followed suit, which Washington has taken for granted.


However, as soon as China started to do it, Washington immediately voiced various "concerns." U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry on Saturday voiced concerns over the zone, fearing it might "constitute an attempt to change the status quo in the East China Sea," and a White House spokesman on Monday called the Chinese announcement over the weekend "unnecessarily inflammatory."




Japan set up such a zone in the 1960s and it even one-sidedly allowed the zone to cover China's Diaoyu Islands. But when China set up the zone covering the Diaoyu Islands, Tokyo immediately announced it "unacceptable" and Abe even called China's move "dangerous." It is totally absurd and unreasonable.


In one word, both Washington and Tokyo are pursuing double standards.

The latter should not come as a surprise to China, and the reason why such double standards are allowed to exist in a US superpower legacy world is because neither Japan nor the US believe China would actually dare to re-escalate further. However, in a world in which the US is no longer an undisputed superpower (especially in the aftermath of the Syrian debacle in which Putin schooled the Obama administration) that is changing.

The first clear indication that China would not just sit there and do nothing, came overnight when China's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, passed through the Taiwan Strait on Thursday morning on its way to a training mission in the South China Sea.

Naturally, the training mission is just the pretext. China's long-running if dormant feud with Taiwan, officially the Republic of China, is perhaps the best proxy of US interests in the region, where thanks to the Taiwan Relations Act of 1979, the US sells arms and provides military training to the Taiwanese armed forces. China considers US involvement disruptive to the stability of the region, and made that quite clear in 2010 when Obama announced the decision to sell $6.4 billion in military hardware to the island leading to threats of economic sanctions from the mainland.

Which is why China crossing the Straits of Taiwan for the first time with its brand new aircraft carrier is nothing short of a message to Obama. From Xinhua:

It took about 10 hours for the carrier and its four escort ships to get through the strait separating the Chinese mainland and Taiwan.


The Liaoning entered the Taiwan Strait on Wednesday afternoon after it left its home port in Qingdao of east China's Shandong Province on Tuesday for the South China Sea on a scientific and training mission.


It was escorted by two missile destroyers, the Shenyang and Shijiazhuang, and two missile frigates, the Yantai and Weifang.


The narrative gets scarier:

"During the voyage, the carrier has kept a high degree of vigilance against approaches from foreign warships and aircraft, according to Liaoning Captain Zhang Zheng. This is the first time the carrier has conducted a cross-sea training voyage and passed through the Taiwan Strait since it was commissioned into the People's Liberation Army (PLA) Navy in September last year, according to Zhang."

But where it gets worst is that as BBC reported minutes ago, China has not only sent a symbolic message to the US, but a very literal one to Japan and everyone else who thought China would just sit there and do nothing, when it dispatched its own warplanes over the air defense zone.

China has sent warplanes to its newly declared air defence zone in the East China Sea, state media reports.


The vast zone, announced last week, covers territory claimed by China, Japan, Taiwan and South Korea.


China has said all planes transiting the zone must file flight plans and identify themselves, or face "defensive emergency measures". But Japan, South Korea and the US have all since flown military aircraft through the area.


China's state news agency Xinhua quoted an air force colonel as saying the the warplanes had carried out routine patrols. The zone includes islands known as Senkaku in Japan and Diaoyu in China, which are claimed by Japan, China and Taiwan.



China's state news agency Xinhua quoted air force spokesman Col Shen Jinke as saying several fighter jets and an early warning aircraft had been deployed to carry out routine patrols as "a defensive measure and in line with international common practices".


He said the country's air force would remain on high alert and would take measures to deal with all air threats to protect national security.


In Xinhua's Chinese language version of the article, the colonel said the aircraft would "strengthen the monitoring of targets in the air defence zone and do their duty".

Concurrently, perhaps to diffuse the edge, China's propaganda machine made this latest development seem like it was all perfectly normal:

China on Thursday confirmed the smooth operation of flights over the country's newly established Air Defense Identification Zone in the East China Sea. Everybody can see that flights over the zone have been normal and safe, Foreign Ministry spokesman Qin Gang told a daily press briefing, adding that in particular, civil flights have not been impacted at all.


"We expect all sides, including aviation companies, to actively coordinate with us and jointly safeguard flight safety," Qin said, adding that aviation companies from many countries have submitted flight applications to the Chinese aviation authority.

So what happens if aviation companies do not coordinate: just how unsafeguarded will flight safety be?

What happens next: will Japan once again prod the not so sleeping dragon, and continue flying commercial (and military) airplanes over China's expanded zone of control, without preclearance with Beijing, and will the US send some more strategic bombers just to prove that Obama didn't win the Nobel peace prize for nothing?

And will then China once again re-escalate, perhaps through an "accidental" engagement with what it "vigilantly" thought was an offensive act by "foreign warships and aircraft?" resulting in a major diplomatic scandal or worse. Or will it simply, and more effectively, launch a salvo of a few hundred billion US Treasurys into the electronic ether, sending the 10 Year yield over 3% and the Fed scrambling to preserve its centrally-planned house of cards?

So, the ball is now in the court of Japan, which lately has been engaging in increasingly more desperate and irrational actions to preserve a sense of control over its imploding economy and the whole "Fukushima thing", and which means that much more entertainment is imminent.


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Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:43 | 4197060 MrSprottJr
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It's a ring toss game

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:52 | 4197088 The Juggernaut
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This will be the mother of all FALSE FLAGS!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:38 | 4197242 negative rates
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Just send Caroline over there to let um know who boss.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:52 | 4197285 Anusocracy
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The question that Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea have to consider is whether or not the US will risk a nuclear war in a vain attempt to protect them.

Any protection by the US would be after the fact - like the police.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:34 | 4197370 AlaricBalth
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What do you get when you combine an ebbing world power led by an impuissant, effete dilettante, who has fired many of his top military brass for political reasons, with a rising eastern economic power, which has just concluded its 3rd Plenum, and is looking to carve a more secure, self -sufficient place for itself on the world stage?

(Hint: It's not Peace on Earth and goodwill towards men.)

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:37 | 4197378 prains
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Answer: The New World (Dark) Order



heads on a stick, dicks on heads, and a new "mystery" burger from McZombieR'US

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:46 | 4197394 Skateboarder
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No one wants to go to war except the fuckheads at the top, their puppets, their supporters and servants, and empire itself. They'll keep threatening each other until the next play is arranged from orders up top. Then it's forreals. The up top used to be distributed once...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:00 | 4197427 AldousHuxley
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as long as humanity's greed wants more than they deserve, there will be war.



Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:02 | 4197430 Boris Alatovkrap
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Every war is bankster war.

This is message brought to you by Rothschild Global Banking Empire

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:41 | 4197521 mjcOH1
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Set tree meter to half overflow power.   Make like rabbit run.   Ask Russia in circles for comic manuals.   Lunch citizenism metal birds.   Plow bent parts off deck until running dogs swimming penis bang hull and go firecracker.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:45 | 4197532 MeMadMax
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They get ahold of a carrier and all of a sudden they think they are masters of the univers...



Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:24 | 4197626 MontgomeryScott
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As I sit and watch the stratospheric geoengineering aircraft, which are NOT spraying the aircrap over my head, and are NOT invading my nation's airspace, and are NOT poisoning my atmosphere (as well as NOT poisoning yours), I hearken back to the time when I saved the coordinates and the pics of the 'first' Chinese aircraft carrier (available freely back in 2007 on what was to become, in the near future of that time, 'GOOKLETUBE-EARTH').

THEN, I think about the various missile systems that are now being deployed, including the hypersonic stuff (from which there is no current credible defense).


'THEY' are getting a little 'uppity'. It's always 'THEY', isn't it?

Is it YOUR 'they', or THEIR 'they', that will take the first act of agression?

OUR 'they' is somehow more palatable (easily assimilated by the body) (if you are one of OUR 'they', wherever you may be, in their employment and enslavement).



Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:05 | 4197742 AldousHuxley
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It is war between Chinese slave factory owners and government elites VS grandchildren of American slave factory and government elites.


They know it is all bullshit & luck to accrue the extreme wealth. But without military control, they can't desseminate their propaganda.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:46 | 4197840 clymer
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I don't know if this is an elaborate staged ploy by puppeteers to distract the unwashed masses from this teetering global financial model that is about to fold in half, or a legitimate splintering of allegiances between nation states, all I know is no good can come from this

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 19:28 | 4197907 SWRichmond
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I'd give my left nut to know what the US pacific sub fleet is doing right about now.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 19:53 | 4197929 mjcOH1
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My guess would be that 600+ lbs of pbxn under the keel of a 25 yr old chinese carrier  of Ukrainian construction makes a hell of a mess.... with no embarked asw aircraft being a takeaway lesson, theoretically.


Fri, 11/29/2013 - 05:02 | 4198826 Parrotile
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Remember that after purchase, the vessel was dismantled, examined, and re-assembled by the Chinese. A very smart (and very cheap) way of finding out how to build a modern Carrier. No doubt they have made improvements, and we certainly know that the information gained from this exercise has translated into a Carrier construction programme. . Just how many are they building? - "two or three"? - ? As to China's capability to produce very cost-effective surface ships (and submarines), there's really no doubt at all

The Chinese WILL have a plan: Is this just a means of assuaging the public's need for proof that China is "A Force to be Reckoned With Globally", or is there something else going on, maybe tied in with all that development of "Ghost Cities", and very interesting secret construction in Inner Mongolia -, ??

Best not to underestimate them, 'cause something is certainly afoot.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:13 | 4197762 MillionDollarAnus
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I'm not high enough to understand this...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:25 | 4197629 Max Hunter
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Settle down, Tyler. Here, have a turkey leg.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:33 | 4197654 MontgomeryScott
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Learn languages.

Be normal.

Body parts are not normally described.

Learn how to speak fluently, @:

double-u(WW), PLANTS, dot com.

One more time, that's:

WW (double-ewe), Learn to trigger Manchurian Candidatescorrectly, dot, com.

A message for ewe:


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:14 | 4197769 MillionDollarAnus
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Seriously, who is your dealer? I want some.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:46 | 4197536 max2205
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Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:50 | 4197540 TeamDepends
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“The essential act of war is destruction, not necessarily of human lives, but of the products of human labour. War is a way of shattering to pieces, or pouring into the stratosphere, or sinking in the depths of the sea, materials which might otherwise be used to make the masses too comfortable, and hence, in the long run, too intelligent.”

George Orwell, 1984

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:35 | 4198220 BringOnTheAsteroid
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If one wanted to find out where a Rothschild lives, how might one go about it.


Just out of interest mind you.  

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:50 | 4198257 yogibear
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The banksters salivate from anticipation of huge profits made from the possibility of a huge war. The deem sacrificing of the small people necessary to make them wealthier. 

The opposition from going into Syria was too strong so the banksters will create another war.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:00 | 4197428 Boris Alatovkrap
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So many false rumor of war,... Boris is now kind of sort of hope maybe small war with China and USSA... fun to watch two communist regime slug out.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:49 | 4197547 Skateboarder
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Not fun is draft.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:25 | 4198011 mjcOH1
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"So many false rumor of war,... Boris is now kind of sort of hope maybe small war with China and USSA... fun to watch two communist regime slug out"

There's nothing like the hatein' of two left wing regimes arguing over who is the true champion of the proletariat. Cue uncle joe and midget austrians with one left nut. or kenyans with suspended law licenses and seasoned chicoms. same thing.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:44 | 4198237 Oldballplayer
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You must be under 25.

Draft was good enough for us, it's good enough for you.

Now get off my lawn.

(Ps: they would never bring back the draft. A sea war is the only war we can win against these guys.)

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:52 | 4198260 BKbroiler
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Who needs a draft when you have mercenaries?  Where's Eric Prince nowadays?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:50 | 4198252 The Heart
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"Not fun is draft."


No more worrying about commie-care.

What is not so funny is watching this slow-motion train wreck headed over the cliff the inescapable chair strapped in a seat belt on the train.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:43 | 4197686 MontgomeryScott
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No, not much fun, thinks I for times. Thermonuclear war not is much hilarity. XBOX fun is not for adults, but not, children think is hilarity. Smells of frying proletariats and capitalists not is good. Damages, genetic, are ensuing, not hopefully allowing continuation species of us all. USSR contaminated itself, not for good of the people.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:53 | 4198261 BKbroiler
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there can only be 1 boris.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:44 | 4198239 BringOnTheAsteroid
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China wouldn't stand a chance against all the US teenagers flying drones by remote control for all the free pepsi and pizza they can eat. It's funny how the US axis of evil paints terrorists as cowards. How many US brass would sacrifice their life for their beliefs. Now I'm not condoning terrorist activity but saying it's cowardly is an insult when you fly drones from 5000 miles away while sitting in an ergonomic chair, to kill innocent men, woman and children. Christ almighty, you'd think they'd at least sit on a stool so they had some degree of hardship or suffering. The utter sickness of our western society that we are not enraged at this behaviour. I suppose the German people sat idly by while Hitler killed six million Jews. The earth really needs to rid itself of the pustulescents that is the human being. 

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:28 | 4198212 BringOnTheAsteroid
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"What do you get when you combine an ebbing world power led by an impuissant, effete dilettante, who has fired many of his top military brass for political reasons, with a rising eastern economic power, which has just concluded its 3rd Plenum, and is looking to carve a more secure, self -sufficient place for itself on the world stage?"

I know what I'll need to get -  a dictionary.



Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:35 | 4197371 AldousHuxley
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US had the chance to nuke north korea during the war, but they already passed on that


US wants China to be consumers. They are not going to nuke the new shoppers just as slave owners don't kill their own slaves.



The problem is allegiance of Asian nations would switch to China as they become their main export customer which already is.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:08 | 4197452 Canadian Dirtlump
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my thoughts have drifted towards the fact that once the british lost their silver for tea to the chinese, which ended up in war.


now the whole west, albeit in a less direct transactional line are losing their gold for ipads, toys, soon food and about every other rope soap and dope. I can't say that at some point the logical result isn't going to play out directly or indirectly.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:00 | 4197962 scraping_by
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Ah, yes. The foreign exchange solution was gunboats up the Yangste to force the government to legalize Indian opium.

What's the US Opium, I wonder.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:31 | 4198030 mjcOH1
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"What's the US Opium, I wonder."

We still make some pretty decent porn. But the fat-carts in the candid scenes are getting distracting.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:55 | 4198078 Chaos_Theory
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10-yr T-bills.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:05 | 4198173 Anusocracy
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Congenital stupidity.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:45 | 4197531 max2205
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Time to send in McGiver

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:16 | 4197598 Wyatt Junker
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This is good.  America needs a war.  Then maybe, once Obama is distracted, he will stop his war on us, 'the people' and finally leave us the fuck alone.

Hey, I'll even help.  I'll buy war bonds.  As many as it takes... as long as that motherfucker will let me keep my plan.

Now, go play war little boy. 

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:59 | 4197875 jwoop66
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barry and his statist buddies will be at war with the US until we are all full blooded marxists.  The left sucks at foreign diplomacy because it is a distraction from their primary goal: the conquest of the United States.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:58 | 4198271 edotabin
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Yeah baby war!  NSA! NSA! NSA!  I mean USA!, USA!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:12 | 4197601 TheGardener
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Japan tried to align to her legitimate business interests. Big fail.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:56 | 4197565 TheGardener
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Financially off of containment China eventually pulls it`s weight ? Surprise, surprise...

Japan and Taiwan are spent forces after doing their job.

No nuclear options required. The US has no allies, only vassals mistreated. And to be sold off to the lowliest bidder. Japan thrown under the bus.

Taiwan anyone ? No takers? To China proper too.
Korea ? Fuck , the one we contain or control or appease
and get all our high tech from ? Can`t remember the administration that struck deals, so let`s just sell them off too !

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:15 | 4198190 Chuck Walla
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America! Fuck Ya!


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:56 | 4198269 yogibear
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Yes, the great leap Forward chairman Obama! The PLA (Peoples Liberal Army)

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:55 | 4197094 Four chan
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world peace would be better served if they converted those boats into dim sum restaurants.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:27 | 4197202 Canadian Dirtlump
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most western idiots lack the gastronomical sophistication to appreciate dim sum. That being the case, we can put something like the absurdly named "ho lee chow" restaurant beside the dim sum so there is something for everyone.


imagine being served by some oily faced white teenager in a coolie outfit.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:44 | 4197250 tocointhephrase
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Really? If your in London you should try phoenix palace. The best dim in town. And after dim maybe I could tempt you with the sea bass or maybe some char siu crispy noo doo?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:37 | 4197376 AldousHuxley
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haha autism bs on this bs chinese dim sum outfit....


Isn't it strange that Chinese restaurants in different countries have different styles?


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:00 | 4198169 mjcOH1
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"Isn't it strange that Chinese restaurants in different countries have different styles?"

Ignore the superficial. If it's made of meat it can hold sweet and sour sauce.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:55 | 4197409 Canadian Dirtlump
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being near calgary, alberta, I have reasonable access to fine dim sum - I was speaking more to the honey boo boo family type folks who are salted across north america. Apparently they objected to my suggestion, and after down voting me, are enjoying a rye and mug rootbeer to assauge their wounds.



Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:04 | 4197437 Boris Alatovkrap
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Calgary is home of world largest cowboy sh-poop fest! Where is fine dim sum?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:22 | 4197481 Canadian Dirtlump
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Calgary is also gifted with a decent chinatown area so provided one need something more than baked beans over a campfire thankfully there are options. Chewing Tobacco in the dim sum establishments is strictly forbidden, and they have boot brushes at the entrances however so, word to the wise.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:24 | 4197488 AldousHuxley
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calgary has 7% chinese population...double that of let's say Denver, CO of total asians


Fri, 11/29/2013 - 23:53 | 4201204 Boris Alatovkrap
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More than is Pocatello Idaho?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:13 | 4197987 Relentless
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Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:22 | 4197482 greatbeard
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>> after down voting me

Wipe yer tears away, cowpoke.  I upvoted you into positive territory.

I have fond memories of taking a wrong turn and going through downtown Calgary while towing my RV.  Most of the area was under construction, like any bustiling, vibrant downtown.  It was jammed bumper to bumber traffic, door to door, and I'm driving a 48' long 24,000# beast in rush hour traffic, lost as a mother fucker. 

All the sudden we start a descent to go under a railroad bridge with a warning that is was a low bridge.  And it was. But the mother fucker was in meters.  So I was pretty sure of my overall height, but if was in feet.  So here I am locked into traffic with no possibility of turning off.  And I'm quickly trying to convert feet to metric in my head.  I remember some low lifes hanging by the bridge take the time to get up as surely this stupid mother fucker driving this gigantic rig where he never should be is about to clear the solar panels and air conditioner and antenna right off the roof.  My calculations had me with 2" of clearance and I think I was right on the money.  Talk about sweaty palms.  Afterwards were were treated to Bamff and the Ice Fields, so it was worth it.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:07 | 4197592 Tall Tom
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I just downvoted that Canadian because he is a fucking whiner.


You guys can downvote me all that you want. Plainly I do not give a flat flying fuck.


I am not here to "make friends", for social acceptance, or approval.


This place is not a God Damned Beauty Contest for Self Absorbed Narcissists seeking praise. If you want that shit then look at your ugliness in a mirror and delude yourself to your "beauty".


Fuck that noise. I am here to throw punches and bloody people up and make them face their with this post. That Canadian is just a fucking effeminate mangina, probably self fellating, because he can, because he is spineless.  Yes he probably is the Man from Nantucket.


"Oh...You Americans just have no class and we are so much better." What a fucking FAG. LMAO.


So have a Happy Thanksgiving. I am thankful that our economy is going to collapse to kill off the METROSEXUAL MANGINAS.


If you are in then I do not need to remind you of the Rules, bitchez!!! Don't talk about it.


My regards to Mister Durden for teaching me valuable lessons.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:59 | 4197678 Canadian Dirtlump
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I said western to include all north americans you wannabe exceptionalist volunteer asshole bleacher. I didn't directly mock americans, who I have always considered my best friends as a canadian - and I feel bad for, for going through the shit that we are going through with bought and paid for governments.


You can be as tough as you want but you can't mask your severe case of arrested emotional development on that one. The average canadian is almost as indistinguishable from the average american, I would never say otherwise, the restaurant I posted is actually canadian too.


So get back to fuck starting your dad's face you angry little shit.


To be sure I don't need to partake in a popularity contest, but I was surprised to see such downvoting for something so innocuous. If it touched some patriotic nerve because some grade 4 dropout misread it to be "hoo doggee america sucks," which in no way it does.. then I guess I get it. Furthermore, what is more pathetic than an online popularity contest? The guy who comes in and blows a gasket with gourmet insults to explain his downvote, only to out himself as being of below average reading comprehension and probably among the legions of NORTH AMERICANS who need anti depressants to get out the front door of their parent's house.


To be clear, I'm not talking about Mr. Kaczynski I know you're a genius.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 21:08 | 4198092 greatbeard
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>> I know you're a genius.

Damn, real accolades or withering dry sarcasm.  Fuck.  Ying/yang, red/blue, what the fuck to do? How was I to know this was going to turn into a street fight?  I guess I should consider the venue.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:15 | 4197771 BigJim
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Oooh, Tall Tom... you're so manly!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:34 | 4198041 Seer
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Yeah, really!

I once had a good friend who stated that if you can't kid about something then you're hung up about it.  I wonder when Tom comes out of the closet?

Candian Dirtlump, you're OK by me.  I appreciate people that can actually form meaningful thoughts for discussion.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:55 | 4197291 tocointhephrase
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The mug root beer looks good. 

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:04 | 4197744 Canadian Dirtlump
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Mug Root beer, along with any orange pop is a mainstay for anyone who hasn't gone through puberty yet or is suffering though a bout of STEAKHOUSE SYNDROME* and needs to hoss a large mass of stuck food into their gullet - with the MUG being the only option in arms reach.


*STEAKHOUSE SYNROME: An esophageal food bolus obstruction (or steakhouse syndrome[1]) is a medical emergency caused by the obstruction of the esophagus by an ingested foreign body. It is usually associated with diseases that narrow the lumen of the esophagus, such as eosinophilic esophagitis, Schatzki rings, peptic strictures, webs, or cancers of the esophagus; rarely it can be seen in disorders of the movement of the esophagus, such as nutcracker esophagus. While some esophageal food boluses can pass by themselves or with the assistance of medications, some require the use of endoscopy to push the obstructing food into the stomach, or remove it from the esophagus.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:22 | 4198005 GoinFawr
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You got your globus stuck in my dysphagia! It's delicious!

You know, aside from failing to chew your meat esophagael sphincter disorders can also be a result of chronic exposure to concentrated hydrocarbons... you said you're from Alberta, eh?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 19:10 | 4197883 Things that go bump
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Is Ho Lee Chow any better than the Fu King restaurant in St. Paul? They serve Fu King fried rice and Fu King dumplings and Fu King lo mein and Fu King egg rolls,\.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:26 | 4198013 GoinFawr
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Beware their Chicken Neptune though, there is something not kosher about 'prawns' from Lac La Biche.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:49 | 4198068 Canadian Dirtlump
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i once dated someon whose old man was the mayor of lac la biche.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:26 | 4197361 Martel
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The Chinese could park their aircraft carrier next to Silicon Valley, just outside U.S. maritime borders, and provide Google the kind of "unregulated experimentation space" they're after.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:42 | 4197389 AldousHuxley
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Why would they do that? Greedy Google opened chinese office all on their own and Chinese military hacked and copied everythign they could snoop. Google cried back home, but too late....years of R&D already copied and stolen.


India (ex-commie support) going to do the same.


US in shitty situation where local populace is too retarded to design or manufactur anything and military parts are made by the enemy.


Only thing left in US is the cultural capital, but that has been degraded by Hollywierdoes already so Chinese don't want that anyway.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:13 | 4198185 mjcOH1
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"Only thing left in US is the cultural capital, but that has been degraded by Hollywierdoes already so Chinese don't want that anyway."

Well...yeah they do. And that's some funny shit when they dub Brokeback in Mandarin.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:46 | 4197397 DoChenRollingBearing
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Oooh, I could imagine all kinds of interesting mischief...!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:48 | 4197696 MontgomeryScott
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@Four chan:

If the waitresses at the Dim Sum Restaurant chain looked like your avatar, their boats would immediately be stilled!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:09 | 4197751 Jannn
Thu, 11/28/2013 - 21:19 | 4198096 garypaul
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Aircraft carriers are so 1945. If China was a true challenge, they would present with the NEXT generation of weaponry.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:43 | 4197061 lead salad
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Quick, get Oblame-a to draw another red line.....

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:49 | 4197544 max2205
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China hasn't invested in anti satellite tech fkr nothing....hey my gps doesn't work

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:00 | 4197731 MontgomeryScott
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What is a 'gp's'?

What's going on? The public has never heard anything about it! (?)

Your 'gee pee esse' doesn't work?

FREE MARKET, baby! The chicoms are kicking ASS right about now.

How's that shit about 'cooperating with all nations, but avoiding foreign entanglments' working, as you throw your dice and take your chances?

Excuse me while I look back in history, reminiscing about the shoot-down of an AWACS plane by the CHICOMS:

(Sorry, wrong link)



Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:48 | 4197072 DaddyO
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Don't worry, the Chinese are buying up all the bitcoins and will introduce them as the new world currency.

Meanwhile Saudi Arabia and Russia will move to accept bitcoins for oil and things will rocket out of control quickly.

EBT bitcoin exchanges will spring up overnight and things will smooth out just as fast as they rocketed skyward.

As long as EBT works the world will function without incident...


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:01 | 4197732 Jon Bong Jovi
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I'll try bitcoin when whores start taking it as payment.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:19 | 4197778 BigJim
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Never reveal your profession on ZeroHedge

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 19:04 | 4197882 WmMcK
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They already do, it's just a matter of haggling about the price.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:00 | 4197073 lolmao500
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Interesting views on the whole situation...

Ben Schreer’s post earlier today looked at the new ADIZ from the perspective of Washington and her allies in Asia, and in the context of that competition. So far, it looks like Washington and Tokyo have come out on top. But it would be risky to assume the move was just a mistake by Beijing.

Nothing that has happened in the last week should have come as a surprise to Beijing. There was always going to be a statement of support from the US. The Chinese probably hoped it wouldn’t be as clear, but Hagel’s words should have been seen as well within the bounds of possibility.

The same goes for the B-52s. Beijing will have known that the only option available to Tokyo and Washington was to violate the new ADIZ. They probably hoped that the planes would be Japanese and not American, but the appearance of USAF aircraft won’t have been a shock.

It’s risky to just assume China miscalculated, because all the responses so far have been obvious. Suggesting that this was just a mistake on Beijing’s part means suggesting that they either didn’t plan the move, or didn’t think it through very well. That’s a bad way to formulate policy, both because it’s a mistake to underestimate an adversary, and because it doesn’t ring true of Chinese strategic policy making of recent years.

So if it wasn’t a mistake, it was a statement: China is prepared to contest those issues it considers in its vital interests. It is prepared to accept high risks, and perhaps high costs as well.

Before we dismiss Beijing’s confidence as a bluff, we should look at a map. If things get out of hand, the question won’t be whether the US or China is the strongest military power in the world. It would be: who’d be prepared to accept the costs of a conflict over the islands? The islands are about 340km form China, but almost 8000km from Hawaii, and almost 11,000km from Los Angeles.

While China neo-cons are hard at work...

China’s six wars in the next 50 years

A more troubling example of irredentism can be seen in an article which appeared on the website of the Chinese news agency Zhongguo Xinwenshe (Chinese, English translation here) in July this year. Entitled ‘Revealing the Six Wars China Must Fight in the Coming 50 Years’ (???????50?????????), the article is another manifestation of the hyper-nationalist attitude seen within some parts of the PLA. However, that an article of this nature was carried by a PRC national news agency suggests that it was approved at a very high level.

The six ‘inevitable’ wars suggested in the article’s title are presented in the chronological order in which they will take place:

  1.  The war to unify Taiwan (2020–2025)
  2. The war to recover the various islands of the South China Sea (2025–2030)
  3. The war to recover southern Tibet (2035–2040)
  4. The war to recover Diaoyutai and the Ryukyus (2040–2045)
  5. The war to unify Outer Mongolia (2045–2050)
  6. The war to recover the territory seized by Russia (2055–2060)

While Hagel is being stupid...

Hagel: U.S.-Japan mutual defense treaty covers islands China also claims

The territory is CONTESTED. Let it be contested. Don't just ANNEX IT to Japan just like that by saying it's now 100% Japanese territory because the US military says so... Americans (and NATO) don't want to die against China for 8 fucking islands totalling 8km2 in the middle of nowhere. FUCK YOU HAGEL.

If Japan wants to die for those islands, IT'S THEIR FUCKING CHOICE. Don't include us!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:15 | 4197160 Oldwood
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 Personally I find it easier to get by with fewer friends as I find I have fewer enemies as well.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:43 | 4197256 Double.Eagle.Gold
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Tried that,

made it worse.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:49 | 4197273 Oldwood
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At least we must be very selective in our friends, as the enemy of said friends seems to be my enemy as well. God knows the enemy of my elected representatives is, whether I like it or not.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:08 | 4197325 Anusocracy
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Wow! Speculating on six wars between now and 2060 is just pure bat guano.

Must be the work of unemployed global warming forecasters.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:56 | 4197415 Skateboarder
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You have probably read this delightful piece of prediction, but I'll post it for others who haven't seen it.

The Rockefeller Foundation's Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development:

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:22 | 4197784 BigJim
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 Wow! Speculating on six wars between now and 2060 is just pure bat guano.

Maybe they hired the authors of PNAC and got them to do a PNCC?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:20 | 4197998 scraping_by
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Obviously reading the wrong magazines.

FT's Peter Navarro wrote in The Coming China Wars: How They Will Be Fought And How They Can Be Won was adamant Chinese military would fight to get hold of third World resources when the US installed corrupt dictatorships that wouldn't do deals like the current corrupt dictatorships.

See, paying for raw materials is imperialism, while installing armed gangs is peacekeeping. So, we're already in economic warfare with the sneaky Chinese using money when any self-respecting imperialist will kill a lot of people.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:41 | 4198051 Seer
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Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:40 | 4197248 negative rates
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Both country's checked their finances and found that without the territory, their economy's would die, so where do they go from here?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:49 | 4197401 olto
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lolmao 500,

This feels like the bosnian adventure initiated by clinton/lewinsky----no reason for this shit----except a us president up to his ass in alligators

these assholes play with the lives of others as the feudal lords played with the lives of their serfs

well-----i guess there is nothing else to say

lord of the manor

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:27 | 4197492 lolmao500
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And another POS who was KEY to this attack on Bosnia = JOE BIDEN...

Biden was a long-time member and former chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. His strong advocacy helped bring about U.S. military assistance and intervention during the Bosnian War.

And they nearly started ww3 with Russia over there too...

'I stopped World War Three by refusing US orders to destroy Russian forces,' claims James Blunt
Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:46 | 4198057 Seer
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POTUSes have a slate of things to draw from whenever they need to conjure up a distraction.  BUT... the FACT is is that these things are on the slate to begin with; that is, there ARE designs behind these things.

The Balkins allowed the US to internationalize al Qaeda (more directly that is).

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:48 | 4197074 Never One Roach
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"If you would like to keep your Strategic Defense Zone, you cannot keep your Strategic Defense Zone."

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:48 | 4197077 1stepcloser
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where is conrad when you need him...go ahead shoot down a B-52 I dare ya...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:50 | 4197082 1stepcloser
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Hey Hedgers, Happy Thanksgiving... 

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:45 | 4197261 lolmao500
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I bet China's move happening on Thanksgiving is all a big coincidence...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:15 | 4197468 ImReady
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Who junks that?! Damn Furinners I bet!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:53 | 4197083 CrashisOptimistic
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The lesson is singular:

Gold doesn't matter.  The Fed doesn't matter.  Bitcoin doesn't matter.  Fiscal deficits don't matter.  Every one of those 12 million cars China buys each year is new oil consumption.  An old car doesn't get junked there when a new one arrives, as it does in the US.

Only oil matters.  People will kill for it.  Soon.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:13 | 4197136 Ghordius
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"Only oil matters.  People will kill for it.  Soon."

imho people are killing other people for oil (or their version of free trade) since quite a long time. it's the pipeline game that is fairly newer than the trade-ships (and later tanker) and navies game. and before WWI we had a railroad (Berlin-Baghdad comes to mind) game, too

sorry, for me it's just the usual Imperial Trade/Great Games

and it's usually people living in the center of empires that get less exposure (news/knowledge-wise) to them. if you visit the fringes or frontiers, things look differently. sharper, I'd say

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:16 | 4197168 Oldwood
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Most wars are over resources but typically use ideology as a cover.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:59 | 4197306 Herd Redirectio...
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Which is why nukes don't threaten me all that much.  The reason for war is the spoils.  Not to scorch the earth, just for the sake of it.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:13 | 4197340 Ghordius
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+1 I firmly believe in M.A.D.

a friend of mine used to say that all wars are just continuations of work/business with other, sharper means. and that at the end, men search and gather resources (and sometimes go to war for them) just for one thing only: women

a cool car to attract one, a house to retain one, etc. etc. add in jewelry, vacations most men just tolerate, clothes, dishwashers, kitchens, shoes and more shoes

well, he used to say some wars would have been cheaper and shorter if soldiers would just have been allowed to capture and bring back home women

then he usually went on to the original human setup: women run the economy (including the gathering of resources) and men fight for territory and... women, of course, then territory alone is useless, it's all about the women that are in it

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 19:50 | 4197946 Things that go bump
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Consider the fact that women are a commodity China is somewhat short on at present with their skewed birth ratio of 120 men for every 100 women. That would leave a lot of poor boys stuck with all that testosterone and no where to go. I've heard that some young men from the hinterlands who can't find mates have taken to the old way, carrying women off. Apparently, as Borat said to Pam Anderson as he threw a bag over her head and slung her across his shoulder, her "consent is not required." 

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:39 | 4197514 Eeyores Enigma
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The other side of war for resources is what is referred to as demand destruction.

AKA Bombing back into the stone age.

If the resources are minimal but consumption is on the rise then scorched earth it is suckers.

Demand destruction represents the largest fossil fuel gains on the planet.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:14 | 4197752 Tall Tom
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All wars are Economic, Resource Driven, Supply and Demand rules apply.


If a Nation has an abundance of Human Resources, livestock, for the victors to use then the victims can expect genocide. However if Human Resorces are scare then the victims can expect absorption and enslavement.


If you are an atheist then you need have no moral problem with this as it is just a Law of Nature. Might makes Right and the Strong survive while the weak perish. You may not like it but that is the way Nature is. There is absolutely no morality about it. It is just as becoming indignant about the Law of Gravity. Gravity is not a moral issue. 


In fact if you are an atheist it is ABSOLUTELY IRRATIONAL to take any "Moral" stance on killing and warfare. Humans have been doing that for Millenia. It is just the Human Nature...You might as well take a indignant moral position on Electricity...not that it will change anything. That makes just as much sense as taking a stance against Murder, Stealing, and raping. Humans are just animals. It is inherent in our nature. It is irrational to take a Moral Position on the Laws of Biology. You might not like the Natural Laws. But they are not immoral.


But on the other hand, if you are not an atheist...but a theist...whom ascribes to a Higher Law....


Now I am not writing that atheist are incapable of taking a Moral Stance. I am just writing that the atheist is irrational when he takes a Moral stance. And I thank God Almighty that many atheists are IRRATIONAL.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:33 | 4198033 Eeyores Enigma
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Eff your fundamental religious dogma crap.

I can take an ethical position and say all of those things you have listed are WRONG!

In fact if you do any of those things around here I WILL take you out.

This is the mind set we need to get back to and God Almighty has nothing to do with it.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:33 | 4198132 GoinFawr
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Kropotkin served you on this over a century ago. Catch up.

Oh, and

"I am a Christian. That obliges me to be a Communist."-George Bernard Shaw

"...they're your bloody rules, either stick to them or abandon the faith."-Marcus Brigstocke

You must start all over again; all over again.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:13 | 4197464 Stuck on Zero
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Wars are a rih man's hobby and a poor man's fight.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:48 | 4198065 Seer
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I've actually claimed that ALL wars are essentially about resources.  And you are correct that things like ideology then are used as the sales-points ("spread democracy;" "save the children" etc.).

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:20 | 4197176 Jack Burton
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In the end you are right. Currencies of any sort are not useable. Oil, grain, minerals, etc. I think CHina has woken up to this fact. All those treasury bills do give financial leverage in the game. But in case of war, currency is not gonna matter. The oil, grain and minerals will. In war time people will kill for a loaf of bread, not for a gold coin. See the Seige Of Lenningrad. People fought over the neighbors cat, over who would get to eat it, NOT over pearls or diamonds, or currency.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:36 | 4197831 BigJim
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Maslow's heirarchy.

Most of us don't see our polities devolving down to the point where we're fighting over who gets to eat the neighbour's cat (I'm sure there's a pussy joke in there somewhere), but, you're right, if it gets that bad gold will be of little use.

Though I suspect you might get further bribing a border guard with a gold ring than with a dead cat.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:06 | 4197978 Zadig
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I see eating pets as the midway point on the journey from "looting" to "cannibalism". 

It seems like a remarkably good signal to go far away unless, like with Leningrad, it's no longer possible to leave.  

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:52 | 4198072 Seer
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It's a small world now.  No place to "leave to."  Remember: there's 7+ billion folks on this planet, most of whom just scrape by (subsistence living).

Nothing lasts forever.  The current systems will all fail.  Major upheavals will only last so long, eventually burning themselves out: at some point people will have to come to realize that they've got to manage food sources in a more predictable way.

Food, Shelter and Water.  These are not just good ideas to focus on, they're essential to life.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:38 | 4198224 CrashisOptimistic
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So I made one comment and walked away and the avalanche of wackos arrived, and not particularly who I am replying to -- just trying to get into the sequence.

Look, oil feeds people.  There are no solar tractors that can do 100s of thousands of acres.  Period.  End of discussion.  Have oil or die.  China and India's consumption growth is eating up everything at a rate far beyond the Bakken's increase (which will roll over soon).  The pie won't be big enough.  They have to take someone else's slice.

Fighting modern warfare drinks oil.  Remember how Gadaffi was essentially winning his war within the framework of the UN resolution to "protect civilians".  NATO went along with that for 3-4 months and then had a meeting and saw how much oil all those bombing sorties was consuming -- and next thing you know "protecting civilians" involved bombing purely defensive Gadaffi positions.  That was the death knell for two things: 1) Gadaffi and 2) any semblance of cooperation with Russia more or less from now on, which matters because . . . yup, they produce more oil than anyone else.  Next thing you know, Saudi Arabia is enraged that Syria still has a non Sunni government -- all because NATO killed Gadaffi and pissed off the Russians.

But see?  Nothing else matters but oil.  If your oil gets scarce and you have to use it to feed the populace, all of a sudden your fighter planes can't fly.  Your tanks can't roll.  If you want to be something other than occuppied territory, you will have to resort to whatever you have that doesn't need oil, which is nuclear weapons.

Nothing matters but oil.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:51 | 4197085 jubber
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oh this looks interesting...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:54 | 4197408 Race Car Driver
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Not really.

At this point, what nation of any significance on this planet is truly sovereign? What country gets to make its own rules and destiny? What country hasn't been assimilated into the Global corporation?

This is more like different departments in a big box store squabbling with each other. Sure, there may be some death and destruction, but, business is business.

Nothing personal, just business.

They're giving us the business.


BTW ... not my junk.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 21:00 | 4198083 Seer
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I understand the view... But, lots of these businesses are the first to turn tail and run back to the "homeland."  I still believe that the harbor lies with governments: governments are what control the people.

I had runningman18 spewing froth at me for suggesting that the NWO isn't going to take over the world.  I think that you can I (and others) can have a reasonable discussion about this.

Here's what I believe is a HUGE data point:

Food, Shelter and Water.  Eventually these realities will pop into folks' minds.  It's all kind of like the Keystone pipeline with U.S. farmers getting pissed off with threats of it being routed through their areas.  Just as with the U.S. farmers, the Aussie farmers are also pushing back hard.  I'd like to think that because I'm a farmer that I hang with some smart, tough people, folks that will win the long battle against the mega-forces.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:52 | 4197089 Son of Loki
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Chinese are all talk, no action. Those officials do not want to lose their McMansions they bought in Cali.

It's all smoke and mirrors to pacify the restless peasants.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:15 | 4197162 andrewp111
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Wrong. It is the exiled and soon to be exiled (or even executed) officials who bought all those homes in Cali. The Chinese Regime couldn't give a crap about them.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:22 | 4197185 Ghordius
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don't know. the daughter of the Chinese premier is not the only Chinese elite scion studying in the US, for example. remember how planeloads of high-level Saudis were evacuated back home after 9/11?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:26 | 4198209 Dr. Bonzo
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Dude, when I was in Advanced Individual Training our army base was crawling with foreign military. You'd be SHOCKED to learn how many foreign miltary are attending and / or training with US Forces on US SOIL on any given day. On that one base alone I would guesstimate as many as a few hundred foreign nationals from at least a dozen different countries, including countries that will make you scratch your head... so multiply that across all the bases in the US that offer training.... you're talking big numbers.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:24 | 4197187 Jack Burton
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You may be right. Those seen as having one foot in the USA camp, via their California mansions, may be seen as traitors to CHina in time of crisis. The Regime is based in CHina, not in California. Those seeking to hide riches in America had better have a quick exit plan. In crisis, the government and military are ruthless with those seen as allied with western interests. Owning a fucking McMansion is Hollywood Hills might not be seen in a favorable light by the big powers in the party and the military. Especially the military. They are more than an armed force, they are one of China's biggest corporate entities.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:34 | 4197224 Ghordius
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isn't the whole frigging Chinese export industry "allied with Western interests"?

Sat, 11/30/2013 - 01:03 | 4198254 GoinFawr
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who would ignore a potential market at least twice the size (weight per capita doesn't count) of 'the West'; depending on you how you want to slice it

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:08 | 4197269 lolmao500
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Are they traitors to China or fifth column working for China? There's a shitload of Chicoms in the US, Canada and Australia that have moved here with CHICOM government money in the last 5-10 years... Me thinks they are not only here for tourism or owning real estate... they are here for stealing tech + be fifth column when China makes it's move. A few thousands special ops can do CRIPPLING DAMAGE.

There's a lot of sleeping agents out there... but also many innocent Chinese... how in the hell can you know who are the bad ones and good ones? You can't... and that's the point... and there's too many to round them all up (which would be disgusting anyway, see Japanese internment camps during ww2) or to spy on them all effectively.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:12 | 4197984 Zadig
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Owning a fucking McMansion is Hollywood Hills might not be seen in a favorable light by the big powers in the party and the military.

Since any serious Chinese crisis is likely to involve America, at least economically, then it's likely to be seen that way by both sides.  It's not like the American government has never rounded up Asians and sent them to the camps before either.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 21:06 | 4198089 Seer
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"Those seen as having one foot in the USA camp, via their California mansions, may be seen as traitors to CHina in time of crisis."

I think it all comes down to the relatives still in China...  "Bring back your wealth or we'll make it hard on them." (and, really, it'll be pretty much this way for a LOT of countries)

Things are running a bit longer to shape up then I'd figured, but I've got a forecast of a big Chinese economic downturn pulling back lots of $$ from Canada (B.C. especially) and triggering a massive real estate collapse (finally) there (Canada).

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:56 | 4197100 NoDebt
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So.... no 2020 Olympic games in Japan?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:44 | 4197259 negative rates
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No, time only goes to 2018, and thats only the first time around, most of the rest of time, you never see more 3 decades of sunlight, and if you do see more than 3 decades of sunlight, it's for a good reason, and it aint the olympics.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 23:09 | 4198293 CharlieSDT
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Lebron is good, but the 4 armed mutant Japanese team is the favorite for the basketball gold medal in 2020, in my opinion.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:54 | 4197290 lolmao500
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You mean the Japanese province of China?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:01 | 4197117 Kaiser Sousa
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all they need to do to put these banker controlled assholes here in the United Fucked Up States of America is deploy some mother fucking US Treasuries and Dollars to the market....

then lets see how bad the Banker controlled nation is...................

"they who own the Gold WILL SOON BE MAKING THE RULES"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:03 | 4197121 I am Jobe
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quick everyone go out and buy crap made  in China before there is a shut down . Need crap 

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:14 | 4197159 PT
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Especially since we have forgotten how to make it all ourselves.  Plus we don't have the equipment / factories any more.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:16 | 4197169 I am Jobe
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They got us us by our balls. end of story. Slave on Amerika

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 21:21 | 4198115 Seer
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Not really.  The U.S. has PHYSICAL RESOURCES.

It was always going to happen, hitting the peak and then starting the slide down the other side.  China isn't so much a main character in the story as just some transient passing though (the U.S. is pretty much all responsible for it's own situation, if not China then some other nation/entity).

Reminder: It's still about U.S. vs. Russia. (top two military forces; top two in overall resources)

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:11 | 4198594 GoinFawr
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The  US has physical resources?

No  it doesn't.  Have you seen the debt load that nation is carrying? It defies the imagination.

Anything left was bought and sold long ago...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:05 | 4197131 lolmao500
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I wonder what Russia, China's ally is planning at the same time... perhaps a move against Ukraine if the EU tries to do another revolution to force their trade deal down their throats?

Think Tank: China Beats U.S. in Simulated Taiwan Air War

A new, much-updated edition of the RAND study found that China’s improved air and missile forces “represent clear and impending dangers to the defense of Taiwan,” whether or not the U.S. is involved.

“A credible case can be made that the air war for Taiwan could essentially be over before much of the Blue [American and allied] air force has even fired a shot,” the monograph notes.

Still, with or without F-22s, the Chinese air and missile force “dramatically outnumbers [U.S. and Taiwanese] forces and wins the war of attrition,” according to Steve Trimble’s summary of the RAND study. The Chinese lose 241 jets on the first day of fighting, while the U.S. and Taiwan together lose 147, but this lopsided kill ratio doesn’t matter, when China has hundreds more planes to put into the air. Moreover, most of the U.S. and Taiwanese planes lost, are destroyed on the ground by barrages of Chinese ballistic missiles. (It’s not for no reason that the U.S. Air Force is working hard to win new friends, each with juicy new bases, all over the Pacific.)

The Chicom economy is going kaboom... the communist party needs a distraction and peasants to focus on foreigners otherwise they will be overthrown...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:10 | 4197144 Sandmann
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I doubt Russia will do anything except warn is looking good for the Russian Foreign Ministry.....they neither want China off the leash nor the US to lose face there......all a question of equilibrium

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:30 | 4197214 Jack Burton
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Sandmann, You are right. Russia sees it's postion improving by the day. The EU crisis is under rated. It is going nuclear right now over free movement of people's from poor eastern europe to rich western europe. The battle has gone public between Brussels and Britain, France and Germany. Ukraine's pro EU riots are by people who look forward to the EU membership as it gives right of free movement. The Ukraine people can simply move to London and sign on the welfare.

Russia does not need to threaten Ukraine. The economic reality now favors a trade union to the east.

Russia is watchign the USA unravel. They want to sit back and let it happen. They will risk things when it matters. Like Syria. To surrender again to NATO is not an option. So they stand firm.

Russia is in a really good postion. Wait till the power gets shut down in Britain this winter. Not Russia's doing, but a sign of Britains decline. Nobody in Ukraine should kid themselves. The EU is broke and unemployed. The Ukraine pro EU riots are real, these people want in the EU. But this is only half of them. The Eastern Ukraine where all the industry is is ethnic Russian. They will never be dragged into the NATO sphere by an EU Ukraine.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:39 | 4197384 Brand_New_Investor
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The power is going off in Britain ?... lol...I don't think so....


There is a better chance they will re-instate the monarchy to full status and have them dictate that the power be turned on...

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