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"I Work At McDonalds, But I Can't Afford To Eat There"

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For Shawndraka Mack, a 100% pay rise from her current $7.60 "would do just fine." While some employees turn to blood plasma donation, and most are on food stamps (and other benefits), the mother of two teenagers (on Medicaid) told Bloomberg Businessweek, “I love what I do, but I don’t want to work for nothing." Between the 40 hours a week she works and the benefits, Mack explains, “I work at McDonald’s and I can’t afford to eat there. It’s crazy.” Of course, McDonalds has 'tips' for surviving on their state-subsidized wages but once again, despite Harry Reid's extrapolated charts, the reality of raising the minimum wage is lost on most who never stop to think of where the 'money' comes from; and besides employees have little to no leverage as we explained here.

Via Bloomberg Businessweek,

Mack, who is 40, has been working in the fast food business for 18 years. For the past six, she’s been at a McDonald’s in South Carolina, working 40 hours a week and making $7.60 an hour. “I love what I do, but I don’t want to work for nothing. I want to work for something,” she says.




Her fiancé is on disability, and the $600 he receives every month goes toward insurance for her 1990 Honda Accord, the phone bill, and some spending money for the kids. Her salary covers gas for her commute, electricity, and everything else the family needs. The kids are on Medicaid.


The family gets $345 a month in food stamps. Mack says she goes to the grocery store once a month, and whatever she buys has to last until the next trip. She brings her lunch to work every day. “I work at McDonald’s and I can’t afford to eat there. It’s crazy.”




A few weeks ago, Mack joined the effort to raise fast-food workers’ wages to at least $15 an hour. “That would do me just fine,” she says. “I expect to stay at McDonald’s. I just want to get paid more for what I know and what I do. I want to make sure my kids have a better life than I do.”

The harsh reality bottom line is if she wants to be able to afford McDonalds or anything else, she should motivate herself to be something more than a minimum wage food service worker. Because the sad reality for her and millions of other minimum wage, zero leverage workers like her is that the robots are finally coming, and they don't demand food... or a wage.


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Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:35 | 4196618 dcohen
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Well, maybe Bernanke can print burgers as well?

In the age of printing guns to printing money, who needs anything else but Ben Shalom Bernanke, he will just print everything for everyone forever to infinity.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:50 | 4196663 Pure Evil
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Well, hopefully Obama will get amnesty fist rammed through congress so that she'll have plenty of competition for her shiity little job from people that won't complain as much as she does.

You would think with over 18 years in the Fast Food business she would have looked into becoming an assistant manger or shift manager or store manager along the way. She makes minimum wage cause she's either denser than a brick or lacks ambition to get ahead.

We'll be at the Idiocracy before the turn of the century the way things are going.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:08 | 4196728 y3maxx
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Hitler's Rise to Power Explained

“”by hyperinflating currency to reduce debt, the govt also transfers all middle class wealth to the govt.

Conditions attract a Diktator.””

...Hitler utilized the Great Depression to ascend Power and Control...played on the Citizens’s Fears.

Then seized the Rights of the People from the Weimar Constitution

....Private Property Rights

.... the Right to Assemble,

...the Right to Privacy, in the Mail and the Telephone System

Economic Crisis leads to the Rise of a Diktator.

15:00 minute mark....

When Money Is Corrupted - Hidden Secrets Of Money

...Notice any comparison w/ Obama...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:12 | 4196739 bonderøven-farm ass
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Why the Hell would anyone eat that crap, more less bitch about it....?!   Good fucking grief.  This country gets everything it deserves....

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:54 | 4196898 AldousHuxley
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"I work at ferrari dealership and I can't afford to drive a ferrari"

"I work at the white house and I can't afford a presidential dinner at $38,000/plate"


That's the whole point of your job. You can't afford to consume your most valuable export.


How about in other countries..."I work at XYZ, but I can't afford to eat."


Also anyone who is fat, little less food would be good.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:07 | 4196938 Herd Redirectio...
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Henry Ford is turning over in his grave.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:57 | 4197068 Yenbot
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I doubt the temporarily suck-cess-full on here understand such depth, Herd. Henry Ford INCREASED worker's wages, LOANED them money to buy the Ford they were building on the production line, and kickstarted the American economy into a world-class ass kicking machine. He even pioneered cheap company housing and created the inexpensive charcoal briquette for affordable weekend barbeques. Hoo-rah for Henry.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:42 | 4197254 James_Cole
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the reality of raising the minimum wage is lost on most who never stop to think of where the 'money' comes from

You mean the FedRes?

That mises article uses the same idiot arguments everyone uses. Anyway..

Capital can move, labour is stuck, that's all there is to it - it's been endlessly demonstrated that there needs to be a balance between these two. There are those who would love to make labour priced entirely on the global market but that would destroy local economies + usher in a new feudalism.

Compare countries with and without a minimum wage (and levels of minimum wage) and you may notice a trend...

There is ZERO evidence that having no minimum wage benefits an economy over time.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:53 | 4197406 AldousHuxley
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The $5-a-day rate was about half pay and half bonus. The bonus came with character requirements and was enforced by the Socialization Organization. This was a committee that would visit the employees' homes to ensure that they were doing things the "American way." They were supposed to avoid social ills such as gambling and drinking. They were to learn English, and many (primarily the recent immigrants) had to attend classes to become "Americanized." Women were not eligible for the bonus unless they were single and supporting the family. Also, men were not eligible if their wives worked outside the home.


More than 15,000 would-be workers showed up to claim the $5-a-day jobs, though only about 3,000 were needed. Those left outside were angry, and eventually fire hoses were turned on to disperse the crowd.,1607,7-153-54463_18670_18793-53441--,


I don't think Americans would mind paying extra for a burger if the workers lived the "American way" rap CD collection, no big screen TV, no lotto tickets, no alcohol or drugs, no Spanglish, no illegitimate children, no disability welfare, no food stamps, no obamacare.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:00 | 4197963 rockface
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Haven't you noticed Socialism is creating the new feudalism?

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 02:59 | 4198705 James_Cole
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Worker owned + operated businesses are creating a new feudalism? Where?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:28 | 4197809 jwoop66
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dont fuck up a good myth- Henry Ford was an evil robber baron capitalist.  He didn't do anything nice. for anyone.  ever.   Go head keep saying it, it'll become true...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 23:34 | 4198336 cornflakesdisease
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He also had his goons shut off the water to check to see if you really took a dump in the toilet or were loafing.  He was no hero.  Right up there with JP Morgan and his ilk.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:33 | 4197003 swedish etrade baby
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"what if earth is another planets hell". supposedly thats a Aldus huxley quote. I read that on a porn tumblr. You better leave the pornblogs alone Marissa Mayer! Yes,  im drunk

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:57 | 4197417 AldousHuxley
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They put nice looking females in charge in a male dominated industry when they are about to fuck you up.

Kind of like black president to screw over african americans and help the jew slumlord banksters.


well played elites.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:20 | 4197179 Anusocracy
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McDonalds doesn't have a duty meal anymore?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:17 | 4197345 Skateboarder
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Isn't that fucked up? I worked at a Subway at the end of high school and got a 6" every shift. Packed the shit out of that thing.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 22:00 | 4198168 Iam_Silverman
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"got a 6" every shift"

Lucky you!  There are housewives everywhere getting less (although their husbands insist that it really is six inches).

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 23:37 | 4198341 cornflakesdisease
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Don't quit your day job, Mr. Dice Clay.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:36 | 4197830 Oracle 911
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How about in other countries..."I work at XYZ, but I can't afford to eat."


But working in the cheapest (or almost the cheapest) restaurant/bistro-chain on the world and not being able to afford eat there, well it is not normal poverty it is advanced poverty in the so called richest country of the world.


Well it won't end well.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:20 | 4196772 A Nanny Moose
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This time it's different.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:26 | 4196790 joak
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Comparing Obama and Hitler is stupid. Obama is part of the system that lead to the problem. Hitler, as hated as he is, turned around a mess he had to deal with. Nazis economists implemented the "work standard", read Delaisi 'the european revolution', that explains the incredible German recovery during the 30ies, obtained without gold or foreign credit. Made with fiat by the way, but managed properly. But I guess it's easier to always bash the Germans on stories relayed by 60 years of non stop propaganda of the same mainstream media that everybody here seems to hate lol.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:34 | 4196818 matt atsinger
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Arbeit macht frei

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:52 | 4196891 kaiserhoff
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Arbeiter macht fries.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:57 | 4196910 AldousHuxley
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Debt will set you free

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:13 | 4196958 Czar of Defenes...
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Ich *klaue* das!  (I'm stealin' *that* one!)  ;)

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:28 | 4197015 nobita
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Nice one Kaiser!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:14 | 4197988 ToNYC
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Arbeit fries frei.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:07 | 4196932 highly debtful
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Be careful with this theory of Hitler as an economic genius. First off, economics was one of his weak points, it did not even interest him all that much, only enough to know that he had to keep the sheeple fed and at work to keep him in power and that he would need to find lebensraum to keep his economic machine from stalling. 

In fact, his economic policies were so detrimental in the long run, what with his unproductive rearmament schemes and expensive infrastructure investments, that he told his generals in the second half of the thirties that he had to start a war somewhere before 1943 or the country would go bust. 

 So much for a sustainable economic policy.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:16 | 4196968 Herd Redirectio...
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And of course, his good friend Thyssen was the one who managed all the financing...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:28 | 4197365 Double.Eagle.Gold
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I thought Grandpa Bush was his finance guy

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:51 | 4197405 DaveyJones
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we also don't prosecute his grandson (and friends)

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:05 | 4197587 Jeepers Creepers
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Also, don't forget the NAZI Party was short for National Socialism (German: Nationalsozialismus)

Hitler and the Nazi Party were creations of the Left.  The state taking control of major industries, price and wage controls, etc.  The media wants to link conservatives and Libertarians with Nazis, but they couldn't be further apart.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:59 | 4197876 AldousHuxley
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smart elites name their politican party "Democratic People's Socialist Christian Republic Reform Party" to cover all bases


USSR's official name was "Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic" anything but communist

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 05:23 | 4198121 JuliaS
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Hitler offered a way out of a severe economic depression brough on through depasement of fiat currency. Banks tried to print their way out of trouble and it ended up in total national bankruptcy. Because of that radicalists came to power and did what they did... also in the name of greater good.

Germany had their problem with worker's unions, who refused to scale their demands in proportion to hardships brought on by WW1 debts and reparation payments. They demanded the pay as if things were still hunky dory. That's why one of the first measures of the Nazi government was to break up labor unions.

Also, since the Jews had a natural distrust in fiat and bailed ahead of everybody else, they ended up enriching themselves tremendously throughout 20's and 30's. With their precious metals they literally bought up Germany and became the central power class. So when Hitler needed money for the war campaign, they became a convenient target.

... and when the rest of the world joined the war party, they used the genocide as an excuse and justification for retaliation, when in reality they cared about Jews as much as Hitler himself. It was a resource redistribution campaign - the rush to secure oil fields, oil colonies and therefore the industrial future for the next 100 years.

God damnit, there are so many layers to this that it boggles the mind. But it's much simpler to say: "Hitler bad!" Also easy to say: "Obama's like Hitler".

Obama's not like Hitler. He's his own brand of tyrant. Fascism has evolved to the point where it can no longer resembles the thing from 50+ years ago. It's a well oiled machine. It's many systems rolled into one. It's the worst of everything this civilization has seen. I don't think it fits any definition. It's a hydra.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:19 | 4196961 G-R-U-N-T
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“I love what I do, but I don’t want to work for nothing."

It's for the good of the collective and keep in mind your ambitions for your own prosperity are secondary to the State, you are our property, now get back to work!


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:21 | 4197351 Skateboarder
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"I work at McDonald’s and I can’t afford to eat there. It’s crazy.”'

They don't even give her shift meals and this is all she has to say? "It's crazy."? The brainwashing is complete guys!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:13 | 4196742 kaiserhoff
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That's not nice.

It's funny and true, but not  nice.

Didn't yo Momma tell you, if you can't say something nice...;)

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:30 | 4196804 wisehiney
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That's what momma said, but granny said "He that takes advantage, gets advantage."

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:46 | 4196869 matt atsinger
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Why not raise the minimum wage in America for NON US citizens to $20/hr and make it retroactive 1 year that they could sue for if the return to country of origin? Keep US citizens lower so they get the job and the illegals have a reason to return and no reason to come back. They came here because it is profitable to do so. Stick it to the people that wanted the cheap slave labor and let them pay the relocation tab. The extra 10 grand or so could help them start up a business in their own country. I actually think black folk what get on board with this.Of course all the WHITE democrats (slavery party) would be opposed to the hefty fines and loss of nannies and gardeners.

I asked many balck folk if roofing houses for $10/hr insulting....They all said they wish they could get paid that knowing it is hard work....Funny, the illegals have no problem finding those jobs.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:11 | 4196943 Chuck Walla
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26K a year and she ain't got nuttin? Dem kids be 'spensive. Where de  daddy? Oh, it be Braack!  Well, Braack, youse guilty of child abuse, den!




Wait till she gots to pay fo Obamacare!

I'm gonna bet dey gots tatts an' nose rings an nails, 2!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:58 | 4197004 G-R-U-N-T
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“I love what I do, but I don’t want to work for nothing."

Welcome to Obamanomics, land of the collective and home of the enslaved!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:55 | 4197564 Larry Dallas
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I'm thankful my name isn't "Shawndraka".

That's a name that definately doesn't belong on an EBT card. /sarc.

But as Pure Evil said, if O opens the floodgates, she will be forced to improver herself or quit and be a professional welfare queen.

Queen Shawndraka, that is.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:14 | 4196741 prains
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just as Cyprus and Greece represents our futures as indentured nations with capitol controls,etc. McShitInyourPantsandLovinIt represents the future model for employment as well, indentured slaves with no leverage and no ability to improve.


Laugh now but your kids and grandkids will be sucking a giant Oligarchian Donkey Ball......... think about it before you blather on about lazy welfare queens, it's WAY MORE complicated than that retard version of events


it's a small KKKlub and ain't nun of us in it!!!!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:16 | 4196967 Czar of Defenes...
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Congratulations!  YOU WIN the "Victim Of The Day" award.  Feel free to give yourself 10 *extra* lashes, comrade!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:24 | 4197360 prains
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I've taken shits smarter than you, so please push one out that's got a little more meat on it next time, dipshiticus

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:16 | 4197474 Czar of Defenes...
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Why, YES...I certainly *can* imagine you *are* obsessed with your scatological strengths, since you haven't any others beyond whining.

A Professional OccuPooper, so to say.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:25 | 4197796 prains
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imagination is not your cognitive strength, w.e.a.k.l.i.n.g

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 00:45 | 4197922 prains
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Oh Czar of Mental Constipation, impress away baby squirts.......



....left to argue with myself by a myopic troll with only one testicle between him/her and him/her's a sad day when fucking trolls have no stamina...McCheesedicks

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:54 | 4197407 DaveyJones
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I like to think my kids and grandkids will be fighting in the revolution

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:34 | 4196621 mickeyman
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She should try to get at least a 6-hr shift. Then they might feed her. Or do they just give a discount these days. 

They actually used to feed their workers years ago.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:43 | 4196638 Toronto Kid
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It was a discount back when I worked fast-food, and that was 20 years ago. If she's working 40 hour weeks, that's a normal 8 hour working day. Given the trend for all things to be crummier today than what they were last year, they've probably done away with the discount.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:46 | 4196652 Bunders
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Not such a good idea if they've to cover their workers diabetes meds and liposuction to. Because Obama.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:06 | 4196723 max2205
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Fast food....wall mart...sales clerk ect were never meant to be a career but a stepping stone to a better job.


Are we now institutionalizing part time work....this is fucking wash workers next

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:23 | 4196781 Ignatius
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"...were never meant to be a career but a stepping stone to a better job."

Off-shoring.  This is class war and workers/small businesses are losing.  Badly.

Off-shoring is not free trade.  Free trade exploits comparative advantage (midwest wheat for tropical bananas, etc.) Off-shoring seeks absolute advantage (lowest wage).

Corporations run the show where our everyday lives be damned.


Fri, 11/29/2013 - 08:56 | 4199002 e-recep
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Off-shoring contains free trade, too. Cheap labor for gold.

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 09:00 | 4199008 Ghordius
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+1 which reminds me that a lot of Off-shoring is done because it looks good, and so it increases CEO's bonuses. even after realizing that off-shoring did not bring the desired results, many just shrug and cite less troublesome unions as the main reason why "it was necessary"

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:39 | 4197385 Double.Eagle.Gold
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When that was true "stepping stone", the USSA still produced things and provided jobs in places like steel mills, auto factories, coal mines, making washing machines, computers, and stuff that was exported around the world.

Once soul-less Corporations realized they could arbitrage labor across the globe, all jobs moved to cheaper places where wages + added cost of shipping allowed higher bonus in the "C" suites.


I pray for the day cheap oil disappears, and gas is $500/gallon. Only then will we forced to think & produce locally. Till then, it's just tears...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:49 | 4196661 ebworthen
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My Son worked at BK for a while and they wouldn't let them eat anything, even if it was going in the trash, had cameras to monitor every part of the store which district managers would review for "violations".  No discount either.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:58 | 4196693 Sudden Debt
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they know what's in those burgers and don't want to kill their staff I guess...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:04 | 4196719 therearetoomany...
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Fixed it

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:58 | 4196673 kaiserhoff
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Free food is still standard at most places in the mid-Atlantic.  Urban areas, maybe not.

Give you 10 to 1 she's in "free" section 8 housing, with free utilities, cable, internet, Etc.  One of many things always left out of these discussions.  What she doesn't get on food stamps, she picks up at the local food bank. 

The designated "poor" live remarkably like the working poor or the bottom of the middle class.  They just get more than half of their incomes from the taxpayers.  Wages are for cigs, drugs, Air Jordons, the real necessities.  Oddly enough, earning more would not help her.  She would lose benefits and pay taxes.  Welcome to the new normal.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:22 | 4196991 FeralSerf
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Earning more would help the taxpayer and the saver whose savings are being decimated by Fed printing though. Why should I and the rest of the taxpaying/saver public have to make up the difference between a living wage and the pittance McD gives her? I don't even eat their shit.

The low minimum wage is a subsidy from the public for the fast food and other low wage industries.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:35 | 4197229 DCFusor
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You just answered your own question.  You don't eat their shit.  So, again, where's the money to pay more for dunce-level work going to come from again?

They don't have a printer like Ben, and Ben's printing doesn't flow down that far without the subsidies.  Thus, it only hits the top (banks) and the bottom.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:32 | 4198032 FeralSerf
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If the job isn't worth a livable, non-public sourced subsidized wage, then the job isn't worth doing. If McD's customers aren't willing to pay $15 per hour to get their burgers flipped, then McD's has no good reason to exist.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 23:48 | 4198355 cornflakesdisease
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Dam.  That was a slam dunk.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:38 | 4196630 10mm
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She's 40, tick tock.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:01 | 4196702 kaiserhoff
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Tragic but true.

If she doesn't have the smarts to be a shift manager, she will be unemployable in the service industry.  Then what?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:20 | 4196973 rbg81
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That is precisely why a lot of these sob stories smell like BS to me.  She has been working in the fast food industry for 18 years (not months, but YEARS) and is still making minimum wage.  Give me a break.  My daugher has had a part time job at Burger King for about 2 years.  She couldn't give a rats ass about it, but its walking distance from her dorm.  Even so, so has gotten a few raises and they've been literally begging her to become an assistant manager.  She doesn't want to, but I've actually been urging her to take the promotion to get the experience.  

The other thing is that when I worked at BK (back in the late 70s), you could eat whatever you wanted on break for free.  Given the enormous amount of food they toss anyway, can't see why they are such hardasses about making their employees pay for food.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 21:47 | 4198150 jerry_theking_lawler
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Could it be more .gov regulations prohibiting the employees from eating food?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:41 | 4196635 Bananamerican
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i don't work at McDonalds and I can't afford to eat there...

That shit WILL kill you.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:53 | 4196676 Sudden Debt
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After my vacation in America I haven't eaten a single burger anymore. That shit is like cardboard.

Now I only eat real food. That shit is nasty and the clown is a representation of their clients.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:37 | 4196722 kaiserhoff
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Next trip, come visit Hedgeless or me.  We'll fix you up with some grass fed beef and sea food.

The average American eats better than the Average Parisian.

Our dogs eat better than anyone in London.  Many things are invisible to tourists, but you're right about the cardboard burgers and mystery meat;)

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:11 | 4196737 Bananamerican
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SD, I usually make 'em at home for the kids but "In & Out" burger is actually worth considering....give it a whack if you ever come back...easily the best of the burger chains...(Jack in the box, McDeath, burger king, carl's, wendy's etc...)

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:29 | 4197023 FeralSerf
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I've never eaten a bad meal in Belgium. I'm not saying they don't exist, but they seem to be more difficult to find than in America.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:58 | 4197422 DaveyJones
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I thought the clown represented the nutrition

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:13 | 4198498 Race Car Driver
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The clown represents pure, malicious, sell-cancer-burgers-to-kids ... evil. The whole McDonaldland character set is diabolic and satanic.

There's a reason for it and it means something.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:20 | 4197480 Czar of Defenes...
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Five Guys is also an excellent chain (like "in n out").

What country do you hail from, that ostensibly has affordable and relatively good-for-you cuisine?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:15 | 4196751 I am Jobe
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Amerikans love crappy food. Things from cans and processed is considered gourmet food in the USSA

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:41 | 4196636 nmewn
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Pay them in BitCoin! ;-)

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 01:33 | 4198515 Race Car Driver
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BTC - the currency of the Company Store. Redeem them for prizes, prizes, prizes at your local DG!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:43 | 4196640 emersonreturn
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when will taxpayers get fed up with underwriting walmart and macdonalds?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:52 | 4196668 all-priced-in
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I think it is congress and the POTUS that pass the laws and hand out the welfare -  and they do it for a simple reason - to buy votes.


If they cut off the free shit they would never get reelected.

How is this WM or McD's fault?



Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:33 | 4197035 Broodhound
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Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:13 | 4197328 all-priced-in
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They spend very little compared to what unions throw at buying votes.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:35 | 4197043 FeralSerf
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It is with WM's, McD's and their ilk's money that congress and the POTUS get elected. And when elected, they enact WM's, McD's, etc. agendas rather than the agendas of the ones that voted for them. That's how it's their fault.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:14 | 4197343 all-priced-in
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So you think WM & McD got Obama elected?


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 20:27 | 4198012 FeralSerf
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Didn't you see "and their ilk's money"?

Yes, I really do believe they got Barry elected to be their puppet.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:54 | 4196678 Pure Evil
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The same day they get fed up with being overrun by non-assimilating 3rd worlders, or watching their jobs being off-shored to Asia, or their jobs being in-sourced by 3rd world workers on visas, or their children being slaughtered in 3rd world hell holes.

Catch the Hunger Games at a theater near you.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:00 | 4197424 DaveyJones
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Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:43 | 4196641 kaiserhoff
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If McDonald's didn't have its illegal and unconstitutional exemption from Scumbama care, she would be cut back to 29 hours, mondo pronto.

For those who haven't been surrounded by lawyers, lucky you, we are entitled to equal protection under the law.  That means the Big Ugly can't simply pick and choose who is exempt from a law based on campaign contributions.  Democracy Indonesian style.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:55 | 4196683 Pure Evil
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He's not name Barry Soetoro for nothing.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:43 | 4196643 Seasmoke
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I know the $1 menu raised to $1.49 but how can you not afford to eat at McDonald's ?????

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:51 | 4196666 Sudden Debt
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and the $600 he receives every month goes toward insurance for her 1990 Honda Accord....


I'm sorry but that shit is funny :)

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:00 | 4196700 Pure Evil
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Yeah, another one of those weepy stories full of holes like that last one about the female unable to make good decisions cause she's poor.

Its not like rich people don't make dumb decisions. Take Kevin Costner for example or Mike Tyson throwing their money away.

Its just stupid people making poor decisions. Wealth has nothing to do with it.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:01 | 4197432 DaveyJones
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 the federal government used to have money and they make the worst decisions

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:47 | 4196871 Bam_Man
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Yeah, she is obviously not receiving the "good driver's discount".

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:45 | 4196646 all-priced-in
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I wonder what % of people McD hires end up working there - at ~~ minimum wage for 18 YEARS?

I bet less than 1% - the other 99% move on to other things.



Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:47 | 4196653 ebworthen
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At $7.60 an hour that's $15,808 per year before taxes.

$13,437 after a 15% income tax.

~$1,111 per month.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:10 | 4196734 max2205
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Sorry...they dont pay taxes.....full refund plus child tax win

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:39 | 4197051 FeralSerf
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She does have to pay SS and some other payroll taxes.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:13 | 4196746 FredFlintstone
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She would not pay an income tax, but actually get money back that shen never paid in.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:42 | 4196831 wisehiney
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IRS.GOV earned income tax table shows a "refund" for two kids at that income of $5236.00. If there was any income tax withheld, she would get that back also.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:46 | 4196655 proLiberty
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This is an extension of Marx's labor theory of value. We could just as easily ask why the worker at the ship yard cannot afford to buy a cruise ship or the person sweeping the floor at Boeing why he cannot afford a 787.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:55 | 4196682 chunga
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Cruise ships and jumbo jets cost a lot more than hamburgers and fries.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:04 | 4196708 Pure Evil
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I'm pretty sure even at minimum wage she can afford to eat off the Dollar menu.

Cut the cell phone, the cable bill, any unnecessay foods like chips and candy, and any other extraneous expenses, budget properly, and I'm sure she can live on that amount.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:33 | 4196813 chunga
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I don't dispute any of that but given that MCD has what, ~ $35,000,000,000 in assets maybe giving her a burger here and there wouldn't be much of a hardship.

All those years making minimum wage may reflect a lack of initiative but at least she's not sitting on the couch.

Happy Thanksgiving!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:27 | 4197009 darteaus
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"at least she's not sitting on the couch."


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:35 | 4197039 RafterManFMJ
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Up next year - every employee gets one plain burger, small fry, and small ice water on their birthday, if they happen to work it.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:25 | 4197799 Pure Evil
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Yeah, that's if I knew that this person really existed. Do situations like this exist out in the real world. Probably more than we like to know. But, that's life, it sucks, and not everyone can be an airline pilot or a movie star or win the lottery.

I worked a crap load of shitty jobs and got tired of it and did something about it other than bitch and complain and shack up with a female that produced a pair of rug rats and sat around all day getting fat and watching her stories on the idiot box.

What's her excuse. 18 years in the business and all she's doing is line and counter work. That shows a lack of direction in one's life and very little brains or ambition. After 18 years she should have at least worked into some form of management. If not then who's fault is that.

For every sob story some asshole could tell here there's probably a million more worse coming out of Mexico, Central and South America, Africa, India and Asia.

There was a reason this country used to be called the Land of Opportunity. And that was because even the poorest person could work their way up and become millionaires. But, all we have now are whiners crying about how unfair life is. Get over it.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:25 | 4197006 darteaus
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Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:23 | 4197484 Czar of Defenes...
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So?  She isn't trying to buy ships or jets.

OR...was that a not-so-subtle (or even UNsubtle), crippled segue into

the jaded, cliched OccuPooper whine of "Blaaaaame the Eeeeeeeevil Baaaaaaanksters"?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:42 | 4197683 chunga
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What's your point?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 19:19 | 4197897 MeelionDollerBogus
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EVERYONE in the world is blaming the evil banksters, except the evil banksters.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 19:37 | 4197924 chunga
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Stay focused.

The systemic problems we face stem from the bad acts of people working at burger joints (real or contrived).

Fri, 11/29/2013 - 05:07 | 4198829 MeelionDollerBogus
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I have been a fool.
The only solution is to secure an army of renegade LOLcats that will not take no for an answer: they WANT cheezburger an' tehy W1LL get cheezburger!!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:18 | 4196984 Czar of Defenes...
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AH'S uh "viktum", TOO!  Where be mah YACHT?!?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:47 | 4196657 wisehiney
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Shawndraka, surely you have figured out by now that manufacturing is where the profits are. Make another baby!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:57 | 4197299 AGAU
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Does she read ZH?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:49 | 4196658 Sudden Debt
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Well... you can't expect to get rich by doing a student job...


I know a guy that kept doing the job he did as a student. He works for a party rental ballroom and he needs to make sure everything is safe...

And he keeps on crying why we, he's fellow student friends make so much while he can't even make rent.



maybe look for a real job? Because those jobs always only paid pocket money.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:51 | 4196669 aleph0
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Don't give them ideas ...

"pocket money" ... soon to be included in the GDP !

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:59 | 4196697 Bananamerican
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"maybe look for a REAL job"

Let them eat bitcoin.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:25 | 4196786 SnobGobbler
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jobs are for suckers and slaves. derp!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:13 | 4197151 negative rates
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Reasonable rent, reasonable fresh food prices, reasonable energy costs, reasonable transportation costs. You know, the way it was before the entitlement age, since then, everything the gvt does raises prices to astronomical levels. Everything!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:49 | 4196664 smacker
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This exact same debate about McDonalds came up on ZH several months ago.

When an employer does not pay its staff enough to live on and the employees are on welfare to help fund living costs, this is clearly a form of Corporate Welfare...funded by involuntary taxpayers.

Is it right that taxpayers who never eat at McDonalds should pay taxes to fund Corporate Welfare to McDonalds and their shareholders?? Or should McDonalds be obliged to raise the price of their products to pay wages which their staff can actually live on without taxpayer support??

Somebody has to's either McDonalds customers' or taxpayers in general.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 11:57 | 4196686 Sudden Debt
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Or maybe people should start to realize that you can't support a family of 4 by selling 1 dollar happymeals.

It's a great job for kids who are willing to make a buck.

Fire her I say and leave those "jobs" to the kids.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:03 | 4196712 Bananamerican
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Si gringo, leave those jobs to the 'keeds'

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:07 | 4196727 Pure Evil
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McDonalds can raise it prices all it wants. Doesn't mean people won't start heading down the street to some other hash joint selling crappy food for less.

Just cause you believe raising wages and prices is good social justice doesn't mean the customers will continue spending their money at your restaurant.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:27 | 4197010 Loose Caboose
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Yes, it's called Capitalism.  If the business plan doesn't work, the business deserves to fail - not fall back on taxpayers to keep them alive.  McDonald's is not too big to fail. 

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:01 | 4197120 FeralSerf
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A minimum wage tends to level the playing field between McD and the hash joint down the street.  The current minimum unlivable wage is a form of theft from the uneducated underclass and the public at large to the fat cats on Wall St.  Traditionally government police power has been used to reduce theft.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:27 | 4197491 Czar of Defenes...
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The "uneducated underclass", the "fat cats on Wall St."?!?

Did you pay your last 5 cents for that 1969 copy of the Communist Workers' Daily?!

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:24 | 4197790 FeralSerf
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No, but you're clearly a student of it. Otherwise you wouldn't know what it said, eh?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 19:03 | 4197879 MeelionDollerBogus
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almost true except traditionally government has been used to steal from the poor & uneducated to give to the most privileged families. All governments in all eras of history, all cultures, even those no longer in existence today.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:22 | 4197354 Freddie
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If you look around - you can find smaller fast food style joints with something approaching real food.  Chick Filet and a few others are now just .40 cents more versus McDonal's frankenfood.  But McDonalds is a Illinois-Chicago corp who gave us Barry Soetero.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:56 | 4197721 MeelionDollerBogus
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I stopped years ago already. That place has nothing but McGarbage with a secret-sauce ingredient called Gutrot(tm)(grade AAA(tm) (r) ).

KFC apparently is facing a flight of customers too. Just getting too damn nasty. Quality was bad 10 years ago and it's far worse now.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:02 | 4196701 all-priced-in
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You forgot to include a little responsibility for the person working at a no skill low pay job  -

They have to be responsible for their own life - why do you think a business should have to pay someone more than they are worth? Why do you think the government must give people a free ride?



Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:15 | 4196914 swedish etrade baby
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Even if everyone in the workforce had a doctorate there would still be a demand for waitresses, cleaners and bus drivers. btw do you now what the interest is on student loans in sweden? its 1.2% i just heard it on the radio. I think you pay 7% in the US. Why do let the government abuse you like that?


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:37 | 4197045 kaiserhoff
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1.2 sounds about right.

Damn fine point.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:54 | 4197098 sunnyside
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I'm thinkin' 'bout tree-fity

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:10 | 4197453 DaveyJones
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because we're idiots

we do a ton of other stupid things too

it's not that "we" come up with these stupid, criminal ideas

it's that even when we realize they're happening, we're too stupid to do anything about it  


and that's what I'm thankful for

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:39 | 4197836 lotsoffun
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hah-hah you smart swedish baby.  we never pay it back!  and then we's borrows more.  and you knows who we's borrow's it from?


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 14:29 | 4197213 smacker
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I never mentioned the government giving anybody a free ride.

But since you did mention it, how about providing a solution to this common dilemma??

This McDonalds worker is currently not being paid enough to live on, so she gets welfare. All I said is that her welfare in reality amounts to Corporate Welfare funded by taxpayers, many of whom never even visit McDonalds. Any business that cannot exist and make a profit without taxpayer-funded welfare, is not a viable business and is really a make-work scheme.


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 18:40 | 4197828 all-priced-in
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I have worked with hundreds of unskilled / low wage people.  

You know what happens when you offer them a better position - one that pays more?

Most of the time they TURN IT DOWN because it causes them to lose their government money.

If you jack the rate per hour many will just choose to work fewer hours - so they still qualify for their government cash.

Go out into the real world and get some life experience them come back and tell me how things work.

If you want more of something subsidize it - you want less of something tax it.

The more cash the gov hands out the more low income people you will create to collect it.

Sure some folks need help - and I am not against giving them some - but have a TIME limit on how long they get the free cash. 


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 19:41 | 4197931 smacker
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I don't dispute what you say about people manipulating their earned income to retain free govt money, except perhaps the scale. Nor do I know what the solution is to the conundrum of Corporate Welfare. All I can say is that it is wrong. But of course it's never seen for what it is by the political elites and MSM.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:01 | 4196707 Wyatt Junker
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Or maybe you shouldn't work as a fry cook if you have a brood that makes the Brady Bunch look slightly less mormon back at home?  Just a thought.  The propaganda is tiresome.  Min wage used to be for entry level zit poppers.  Now you get people going on two decades trying to support La Shandra and Floweeze back at home and DeKumbe who sits on his ass playing Xbox due to his disabilawee.  

Corporate welfare or just not trying hard enough, either in the condom buying program, or the ambition department.

Sorry, can't say the obvious areound here.  I know.  

I'll just blame Ronnie McDonnie instead.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 12:11 | 4196740 Pure Evil
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The problem with people like this is they have either no ambition or no ability to think through life's problems. They probably decided early in life to take it easy in school and just coast till graduation.

If after 18 years in the Fast Food you aren't in management then you're either stoopid or don't have the intellectual capacity to be in management.

I've seen more Kwaneesha's destroy business than make them profitable. Is it lack of training or lack of IQ?

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 13:44 | 4197063 nobita
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So what if she is stupid? She works full time (i think) whilst supporting two kids and an ill husband. She has got my respect and I would like her to get a raise to ten bux/hour at least.

Everyone here is ranting about inflation in basic items but do not support minimum wage increases to match...


Thu, 11/28/2013 - 15:26 | 4197364 GovernmentMule
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If she is that stupid, then she is too stupid to bread. If you can't feed 'em don't bred 'em. But I bet if you were to write her a check she'll cash it and it would help pull her out of poverty.


Yep, that is what I thought...

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 16:18 | 4197479 l8apex
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Does "bread" = "bred" = "breed"?  Jesus, go join the topic of the article and get some edumacation.

Thu, 11/28/2013 - 17:37 | 4197667 MeelionDollerBogus
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argh. The /irony.
She just wants to put food on'er family, right George?
Re-read & you'll see. Sorry, now I hit Reply you can't edit.

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