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Live Stream From Escalating Ukraine Protests As Hundreds Of Thousands Take To The Streets

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As reported yesterday, in the aftermath of the violent crackdown on a pro-Europe rally, and the resulting call by the opposition for president Yanukovich's resignation through nationwide strikes, the situation in the Ukraine is increasingly more unstable. Moments ago Reuters reported that Ukrainian nationalist protesters broke into Kiev's city hall and were occupying at least part of the building during mass protests that drew several hundred thousands out on the streets to protest the government's decision to forego an EU deal. Nationalist leader Oleh Tyahniboh told Interfax that representatives of his party had taken over the building. "Today literally 40 minutes ago, our boys took the Kiev Council," he told crowds on Kiev's Independence Square.

Some more detail on the rally itself via Reuters:

Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians shouting "Down with the Gang!" rallied on Sunday against President Viktor Yanukovich's U-turn on Europe and some used a building excavator to try to break through police lines at his headquarters.

 

The rally, by far the biggest seen in the Ukrainian capital since the Orange Revolution nine years ago, came a day after a police crackdown on protesters that inflamed demonstrators further after Yanukovich's policy switch.

 

Last month Yanukovich - after months of pressure from former Soviet master Russia - backpedalled from signing a landmark deal on closer relations with the European Union in favour of closer ties with Moscow.

 

To try to defuse tensions before Sunday's rally, Yanukovich issued a statement saying he would do everything in his power to speed up Ukrainian moves toward the EU.

 

In a sea of blue and gold, the colours of both the EU and Ukrainian flags, protesters swept into Kiev's Independence Square to hear heavyweight boxer-turned-opposition politician Vitaly Klitschko call for Yanukovich to resign.

 

"They stole the dream. If this government does not want to fulfil the will of the people, then there will be no such government, there will be no such president. There will be a new government and a new president," he said to cheers.

 

Far-right nationalist Oleh Tyahniboh, another opposition leader, called for a national strike. "From this day, we are starting a strike," he declared.

 

"I want my children to live in a country where they don't beat young people," said protester Andrey, 33, the manager of a large company, who declined to give his surname for fear of reprisals against him.

At what point will Russia have to step in, either directly or indirectly, to preserve the new post-USSR world order it has so carefully and meticulously achieved so far?

Live webcast from the Ukraine below:



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Sun, 12/01/2013 - 10:53 | Link to Comment RacerX
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I always think about that scene from Seinfeld:

"Ukraine is NOT WEAK!"

http://youtu.be/Uvuz-hm3XZ8

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:01 | Link to Comment thunderchief
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I choose the Russian slavemaster over the EU slavemaster. This reminds me of all those bleeding hearts crying at Obama's inauguration in Chicago. Fools!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment 401-Kulak
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The EU slave masters have yet to kill 100 million people.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Black-Book-Communism-Repression/dp/0674076087

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment Sabibaby
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What do you mean? I thought there was free healthcare and nobody needs a job, they just get free shit and it's a utopia right?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:48 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Weren't the European (tribe) banskter families behind financing the Russian revolution?  Odd how Armand Hammer was able to do business with the Soviets when no one else was.  Did the Bronfman's also do business with the USSR?  Marc Rich?   All these polictical regimes are designed to loot countries and the people of these countries.  If the elites have to murder millions then so be it.

The Ukraine is really sad.  They have no real choice.  The EU-SSR is just as scummy and evil.  They are arguably much worse than the Russians.  Witness the Islamification of the UK and Western Europe.  The Russians would not do that.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:47 | Link to Comment El Tuco
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Freddie, Freddie, why doesn't Ukraine have a choice? Why can't the people choose instead of a murdering thug who has stolen billions from the Ukrainian people and Putin who is the richest head of state in the world (40 billion). These two cock suckers are raping Ukraine and Russia and you think that the people of these two countries like these men? That Europe is more evil than the zionists who sent millions to death camps in Siberia? The thousands that sit in Russian gulags for having a voice? Do you think Putin and Yanukovych are good men that earned their wealth and love thier people?

They Ukrainian people have a choice to decide thier own fate. they know who is more evil they have lived it..... 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:59 | Link to Comment johny2
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"Moar debt" demand the sheeple. 

They will sell their industry for some quality cars made in Germany.

One way or other, Ukraine has to belong to EU.

The potential profits are huge, and the risk is only having less sheeple alive.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 19:49 | Link to Comment Deo vindice
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"The EU slave masters have yet to kill 100 million people."

Not if you include the millions killed by Rome under its various popes

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Since you want to go back into history, are you leaving out the Germans from your equation?   They killed a few people during WWII.

If your point is primarily that the sheeple are once again fighting over which oligarchs should rule them, then I'd go along with that.  But that's what the sheeple do.  They pick which King to follow, which is why the small minority of us who don't want any King are fucked.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment prains
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except this time it looks like they're being told which Oligarch is going to fuck them over and they'd rather have the EU Trokia do it instead of the the Slavic Mafia this time around

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Uh-oh. This is what looks like to be squeeze between rock and predicament. Ukraine cannot is to be trusting West (Barry, yes, right, he so tough in married woman denim pant - not!), but cannot to be trusting Russia (800 year history of oppression against Ukraine). Where is good choice?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment Teddy Tenpole
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Hey Boris, why not shut up with the planet stoopidhead bad grammar.  F n morons in the Ukraine simply proving folks like you are indeed stoopid, haha.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:19 | Link to Comment prains
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haha, what's really funny is your finger buried up to it's knuckle scratching your brain trying to jump start it's electrical function, maybe use your tentpole as a conductor Tedd

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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Da!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:53 | Link to Comment prains
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it seems an obvious method given his choice in equipment

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:42 | Link to Comment Boris Alatovkrap
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Boris is profusely apology for bad formation of grammatical. Is work more hard. Much hard!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 19:58 | Link to Comment MisterMousePotato
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I hope you're getting paid for this, Boris.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:35 | Link to Comment Oracle 911
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Russia, I think, because they policy of ethnic minorities are far better, Chechens still exists although somebody in West screamed something about ethnic cleansing of Chechens in Chechnya and other minorities still exists too.

 

Why don't EU? Because the slave-master in chief (van Rompuy) said "national states belongs to dump of history".

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:58 | Link to Comment Mediocritas
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You make it sound like they have a choice.

Maybe if they had their Seven Samurais, but they don't. The thugs are hungry and farmers pitchforks can't beat bombers.

(Though before the bombs come bribes, lobbying, political saboteurs, economic hitmen, financial attacks, "free" trade, "free" markets, asset grabs, etc. We all know the game).

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:29 | Link to Comment TheGardener
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Some foundation could make it appear orange again.

And social controlled media , eastern spring in late autumn.

Ukrainians are white but a mongol mixed people, a sorry
state with friends neither east or west.

The Barroso vs.Putin pact would have had a stalinesque solution.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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 "They pick which King to follow, which is why the small minority of us who don't want any King are fucked."

Well said, LTER! Obi-wan has taught you well.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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http://necrometrics.com/wars19c.htm

Failing to count about a century and a half worth of colonial pillaging? Nice fucking try, shitwit.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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"Day aint over yet" - Curly.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:29 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Did you know Khrushchev and Brezhnev were actually Ukrainians and Stalin was Georgian, just to give you a few examples? Apparently, the USSR=/=Russia, but hey, don't let that bother you, when it suits your prejudices so well...

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 06:23 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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Yep, and the people who owned them were Khazars, Hitler was Austrian, the Saxe-Coburg & Gotha -ahem- Windsors are German, and Harrison J Bounel -ahem- Barrack Obama is either Kenyan or Indonesian, depending on what bag he's packed that day..

Apparently national flags are just matters of convenience under the NWO, and it really doesn't matter where you source your puppets from. The sad thing is all these hijacked nations suffer real consequences from their interlopers' malfeasance.

How about a Klitschko & Barraso vs. Putin & Yanukovich cage match, and let the people get on with their lives? This political kayfabe is wearing thin.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:44 | Link to Comment ISEEIT
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Yet being the operative word.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment Antifaschistische
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Screw all that...the Ukraine has the best looking women on the planet...hands down.  (Sorry Venezuela  :) )   We need to help protect those ladies.  The world needs the gene pool.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:12 | Link to Comment gold_pa3ot
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You have never lived in Ukraine, you dont know what Russian slavemaster means..

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 10:59 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Ukraine has had enough of "friendship and cooperation" with Russia,

  since Stalin starved and murdered half the population, and replaced them with ethnic Russians.  There is plenty of idle bitching in the world.  Ukraine has real memories of a reign to terror.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:29 | Link to Comment john39
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Russia under Stalin was controlled by Zionist/communists... the same people who now control the EU and the United States.   Siding with Putin is an attempt to pull away from zionist control.   These protests are the typical punishment dealt out to try and destabilize countries that oppose the NWO agenda.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment frenzic
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hear hear

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:48 | Link to Comment EatYourCornTake...
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Stalin was controlled by no one idiot. LOL. Stalin killed  Jews without mercy, or are you gonna come back with Stalin killed only anti-Zionist Jews? Yes, he supported the establishment of Israel, most likely because the U.S had the A-bomb and he didn't at the time. He never let his Jews go to Israel, nor did his successors. "Bunch of fucking Zionist controlled puppets, the lot of them" LOL!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment chemystical
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anti-semitism (sic*) was punishable by death

Stalin's wife was jewish

in 1919 > 80% of the published list of high officials were jewish

* sic because 99% of them (then and now) have less semitic DNA than my cat, and ironically the PALS in their ISR gulags have far more semitic DNA. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:07 | Link to Comment Chewybunny
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Wtf are you smoking?

 

Neither Nadezhda Alliluyeva, nor Ekatrina Svanidze were Jewish. Hell, they married in an Orthodox Church!

 

Anti-semitism wasn't punishable by death, it was just horrendously discouraged and fought against early in the Revolution - something that was in itself just a tool, as Stalin's five year plan hit the Jews dispraportionally harder than other people. Stalin himself used heavy anti-semitic tone and rhetoric when presenting himself in his relation to Leon Trotsky, who was Jewish. Hell the Soviet Union used anti-Zionism as a cover for being anti-semitic.

From first hand accounts dude, my dad couldn't go to the University of Moscow in the 70s, on the count that it was forbidden for a Jew to study history in the Moscow University.

 

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 10:37 | Link to Comment Kobe Beef
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Indeed, many of Stalin's early purges targeted the heavily-jewish Bolsheviks & Mensheviks of the October Revolution. I suppose he knew how they were funded, and suspected them of dual loyalties. Perhaps that's why the International Financiers chose a new guy to fund named Adolf Hitler. They wanted Trotsky's International Jewish Communism, and ended up with Stalin's National Russian Communism instead.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Chewybunny
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Or more likely because a large number of Israelies were and still are Russian, and were actually building a communist state within Israel from the get-go. Russia has always, and will always want to have Israel as an ally. If the US abandons Israel, Russia would jump into it almost immidietly. No other country can offer someone like Putin political hegemony in the mid-East than Israel can if they choose to ally. 36% of today's Israelies are Russians. The second most widely spoken language in Israel is Russian. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:11 | Link to Comment Andy Lewis
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You realize you're speaking truth to worthless pieces of Nazi filth, don't you?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:49 | Link to Comment El Tuco
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John, some say Putin is a zionist.....a very powerful one....

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:53 | Link to Comment Andy Lewis
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Or maybe he's just disinclined to appease the mooslim hordes overruning western Yurp nowadays. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:42 | Link to Comment 123dobryden
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also, in the ukraine there is real memory of the legendary  BLACK ARMY, successfuly fighting red army, white army and domestic german militia, protecting the peasants and vast territory of Ukraine for years durrin the years  after WWI, Nestor Makhno is a legend Vitaly Klitchko can only look up to..

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:59 | Link to Comment gold_pa3ot
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Thanks for understandig!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:34 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Stalin himself wasn't Russian to start with and pretty sure Ukrainians aren't saints either, specially when it comes to ww2.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:00 | Link to Comment kliguy38
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I'm sure Putin will allow this "move to freedom" to continue with no response......sarcasm off

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:07 | Link to Comment therevolutionwas
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I don't know.  Someday Russia may be the country to cling to if they keep buying that gold. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:11 | Link to Comment Dubaibanker
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Last week, I suggested Thailand and Venezula will have riots...and maybe Angola...where did this Ukraine come from?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:31 | Link to Comment buttmint
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Kon Thai do not demonstrate for free. They were all paid 500-2,000b for a weekend of showing up. They would not do squat for free.

Thaksin had to shell out some baht to heavy hitters. Think of Thailand as a democratic republic when you think of the US Congress balancing the budget in Feb...sarc off

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:13 | Link to Comment all-priced-in
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This is Obama's chance to make Putin look weak!

All he needs to do is show some leadership - oh wait -  never mind.

 

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:20 | Link to Comment djsmps
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At the White House Press Briefing earlier today, Jay Carney said that President Obama was unaware of the Ukraine. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:23 | Link to Comment all-priced-in
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But if Carney went on to say - If there is a problem in the Ukraine it is those fucking Republican's in the house that are  to blame - they are just trying to make Obama look bad.

 

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:28 | Link to Comment tsuki
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While the Republicans are blaming the problem in the Ukraine on the ObamaCare website. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:33 | Link to Comment all-priced-in
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I though Obama was blaming hackers from the Ukraine for the web site problems - wait maybe not - I doubt they even know if / when the Obamacare web site is being hacked - since they didn't have the money in their $600 million dollar budget to provide for security.

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:40 | Link to Comment all-priced-in
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Obama may not be aware of the Ukraine but he knows everything about Uranus.  

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:40 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Right after the Golf Game, Photo Opps, A webcast and then vacation in Hawaii , maybe something till then dream on 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:32 | Link to Comment paint it red ca...
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obama couldn't make make chicken bone broth look weak.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Obama couldn't make Yellen look weak.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:01 | Link to Comment Jorgen
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@4203386

As a matter of fact he (Obama) is trying it at this very moment:

US White House to Consider Sanctions Against Yanukovych

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:06 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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But of course.

The CB'ers have to give the teleprompt reader something to do with all of his other mass fuck-ups to bolster the image of being Presidential and good at "something" in front of the bread and circus' masses which translates at this stage of our crisis I guess being the leader of "idle" threats.

The tragedy is like the USAID project with Tymoshenko this one will fail miserably as the marginal costs exceeded the marginal returns long ago.

After all. This ain't the U.S. economy circa 2004?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:12 | Link to Comment muleskinner
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This is tv worth watching.  Somebody please pick up the papers on the street.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:17 | Link to Comment Mine Is Bigger
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I spent some time in Ukraine this summer.  A lot of people in Kiev were pro-EU, but it was a very different story in eastern and southern Ukraine.  The main language for people in these area is Russian.  And many people told me they don't want to join EU.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:28 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Anyone wanting to join the EU is a fucking idiot.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:27 | Link to Comment Oldwood
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If the EU people are still true to form they have been buying and bribing countless government employees as well as the press to push this through. The people are stuck between a rock and a hard place and the pressure will not abate. There are nothing but bad choices when we see people in the street.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:21 | Link to Comment 401-Kulak
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Thats because the Russians killed 10 million Ukrainians in 1933 and replaced them with Russians.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment 123dobryden
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where were these bloody russians coming from,  i thought comunist kill a bunch of them too

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Jorgen
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@4203495 Please do not spew your ignorance on 0H. The eastern and southern part of the present day Ukraine was historically Russian and was gifted to the Ukrainians by Khrushchev in 1954 who could not forsee the dissolution of the Soviet Union some 40 years later. Besides, it was Stalin and his "little helpers" like e.g. Lazar Moiseyevich Kaganovich who played the major part in causing the Holodomor. FYI, Stalin was not Russian.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Well at least we know who controls the "history books". 

What a friend we have in CNN!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment gold_pa3ot
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It was only Crimea that was gifted..

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:26 | Link to Comment Jorgen
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My mistake, thanks for your correction.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Years ago I knew a young Russian (Moscowvites) couple.  In our office building, we had a Russian guy and his wife with a business.  He was a dcent guy and was a Perot supporter.

Anyway, I suggested the couple meet the guy and his wife when they came to the office.  The first thing they asked was - is he a Georgian.  I said, I don't think he is.  "Well if he is - we don't want to meet him."  Turns out he wasn't.

The point of the story was Stalin was a Georgian and my guess is Russians view them as gangsters or worse.  

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:55 | Link to Comment El Tuco
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Basically the reason the main langauge for these people is Russian because they are Russian and a lot of folks wern't allowed to teach or speak Ukrainian during the last 90 years.

So why should the Russians decide what is good for Ukraine? Should the Mexicans can decide what is good for the USA. Maybe all the southern states can go to Mexico.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:14 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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So when will our government start teaching us Wappo, Iraoqoian and Eskimo-Aleut along with the other 53 indigenous American language(s) we erased from those cultures with English?...

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 20:10 | Link to Comment Sparkey
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Thanks El Tuco, this is the best idea yet! This is America's Chance to lead the World and show them how it.s done, even when they are gone they will still have McDonalds and StarBucks to remind them of how it was in the old days!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:15 | Link to Comment Reaper
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Jump from the warm Russian frying pan into the roaring EU fire. Their dream will turn into a nightmare. Their blinders prevent them from seeing Spain and Greece's 57+% under 25 youth unemployment and the whole EU's 24+% rate. The youth are the Ukraine's future. Do they all expect to emigrate into Germany?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:25 | Link to Comment chubbar
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I'm not familiar with the issues but is this the Ukrainian version of the FSA protesting? Were these folks expecting to have unrestricted travel into countries that would allow them to sign up for welfare?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:46 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Guess so, considering what would happen to them, once EU commissars start ruling that country and western oligarchs have their way with their economy.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:26 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Protesting to be enslaved by the EU oligarchs... LULZ.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:42 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Classic example of a crowd of extras lead to believe they're actors by cunning directors on behalf of the actual producers. Where's the popcorn?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:38 | Link to Comment chemystical
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where are the zio-western provacateurs? so ubiquitously seen in other insurrections

in the USSA, when looking for examples, one needn't look further than the fact that after being formed in 1909 the NAACP didn't have a "colored" president until 1970.  Until then it was strictly a kosher crowd leading that particular bit of insurrection and dissent, because of course the blacks were deemed incapable of thinking for themselves, and Jews know best how to sow those seeds of discontent and malevolence.  Little did the blacks know of the same jewish involvement in the eugenics programs aimed at eradicating them once they'd served their purpose. 

NAACP founders and, as usual, financiers: 

Jacob Schiff. (Yes, that Schiff, the same guy who bankrolled the Russian Revolution and the slaughter of 10's of millions of Christians and the rape of nuns and the burning of churches - synagogues curiously unscathed.  btw, not too long ago Schiff's great grandson married Al Gore's daughter Karenina.  More recently Clinton's daughter Chelsea married Marc Mezvinsky from The Squid.  Gotta keeps those satanic seeds concentrated in the right pools).

Joel Spingarn

Lillian Wald

Rabbi Stephen Wise (patron "saint" of world zionism and the iago whispering in FDR's ear)

Rabbi Emil Hirsch

Julius Rosenwald

Jakob Billikopf

Never let discord go unexploited, and where there is no discord...create some. 

As Frances Sawyer hasn't been heard from for a while, I thought I'd pick up the baton.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:36 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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francis is missed here......

Im looking forward to reading more of your comments

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:39 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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The only way this can happen in Amerika is if WMT, TGT all avoid Black Friday Sale. 

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:21 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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The next forced draft will involve a redemption code and "collecting your prize" at Ft Hood.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:44 | Link to Comment Joe A
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Government's move will be to put peasants from other parts of the country on a bus towards the capitol for a pro-government and pro-Russia demonstration. Then anti-government and pro-EU demonstrators will also protest. There will be a confrontation and then police will step in. Or not. Can go either way. Could erupt into some sort of Balkanization of the Ukraine. Who stands to benefit?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:10 | Link to Comment Bendromeda Strain
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It isn't Kiev itself that Russia covets, I can promise you that.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Winston of Oceania
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It is of course Sevastopol...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment Joe A
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Yep,  the Black Sea is a very important part of this geopolitical game. Ukraine lies very strategically. Countries that are situated strategically are always screwed. See Poland, see Serbia.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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Right now, Ukraine cannot be controlled since half of it (eastern part) is mainly Russian...

The master plan : divide or take over Ukraine (again), put it in NATO... and maybe even parts of the missile shield... that ought to piss off Putin.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment Joe A
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Yep, hence the Balkanization of Ukraine.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:47 | Link to Comment PFO
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Yo Dawgs,

Lived 4+ years in Bosne i Hercegovine watching the "Commonwealth" from a distance. Oddly, many of the local young & old BiHers longed for the past and feared the future, especially the aggressive loaning of Euros to their neighbors with the concurrent slavery of debt.

So, when Russian pilgrims traveled to town [Medjugorje] I'd invariably meet some and they wanted to jaw about politics. Juxtaposed to my BiH neighbors, they feared the return of the past and also the power of the western bankers [capitalists].

Some told me that Lenin's armies were routed in 1920 by Marshal Józef Pilsudski of Poland and leaders in Ukraine, Belarus and Georgia of all places.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C3%B3zef_Pi%C5%82sudski

http://www.pilsudski.org/portal/en/about-us/mission-and-activity

Pilsudski also called for a 'federation' of Central European nations to fence-in the communists, but was rebuffed by the Western European powers.

Gee, ain't it funny how history rhymes?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:03 | Link to Comment Jorgen
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG47IdRB61M

Btw, Pilsudski was a staunch socialist.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 20:13 | Link to Comment akak
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Pilsudski (sorry that I can't make the Polish letter "ehw" here) was never really a staunch socialist in the ideological sense, but merely fell in with them in a 'marriage of convenience' as fellow revolutionaries and opponents of the multi-national imperialism of pre-WWI Europe.  Personally, and later politically, he was much more of a conservative in the true and literal sense of the word, as his (unfortunately unsuccessful) attempts to resurrect the historic Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth demonstrate.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Blazed
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Yes, become part of the EUSSR, with the same kosher bolshevik unelected bureauocrats and leftist lackeys making policy, maybe you can have yourself another Holodomor, or better yet, import a couple million third worlders into your country, so you can be culturally enlightened and become a "multicultural" cesspool, just like what they are pushing in Western Europe, that aught to help you out real good, you stupid fucks.

http://topconservativenews.com/2013/11/sweden-shocked-after-woman-raped-to-death-by-somali-immigrant/

"Ethnic Norwegians are not over-represented in any of the five rape categories drawn up the police. In all the categories, including party-related rapes, there is an over-representation of men from Africa, Asia and the Middle East, which is rather baffling, considering the size of this group in relation to ethnic Norwegians."

http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/05/oslo-rape-wave-detailed-statistics.html

Here is an average Kosher Bolshevik activist, Barbara Spectre, spilling the beans on their group ethnic warfare agenda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgOw139MUtU

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment mvsjcl
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Damn! That last video was absolutely revolting.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:17 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Ditto.

And you know what the key words were in that message she gave as a Zionist "bearing gifts" to the Swedish people?

Either Europe does what "the tribe" tells them to do, or they'll be looking at another version March 11, 2011!  Sure hope Sweden hasn't outsourced the security operations of their commercial nuclear reactors to them like Japan did?

God Bless Putin and the Russian submarine fleet. 

If the U.S. Navy can't put this shit to bed once and for all then Russia certainly will when we see more of Israel's acts of terrorism.

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:59 | Link to Comment thisandthat
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Oh yeah, israelis concerned with lack of multiculturalism - hmm... maybe they should lead by example (just hinting)...?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:04 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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"A non-denominational institute of Jewish learning"

I don't get it.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment chemystical
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"better yet, import a couple million third worlders into your country,"

Of course, they pay those same 3rd Worlders to LEAVE their country:

"Israel Will Pay Africans $3,500 Each to Leave"

ttp://forward.com/articles/188309/israel-will-pay-africans--each-to-leave/

This is an old story though.  Jews in ISR encourage jews everywhere to come "home", and ISR citizenship is automatic to any jew.  (No theocracy there, though).  Ethiopians saw this and converted to Judaism to escape famine, then emigrated to ISR, whereupon the ISR jews said, "Whoah, hold on just a minute.  We didn't mean any Nigger converts."  Wonder how the Black Congressional Congress feels about that.  After all, Maxine Waters once said that she was there (in Congress) to represent HER people in Africa.  Cue the crickets and pass some more envelopes full of cash.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:23 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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I didn't think just anyone could convert to Judiasm. Israel has very strict rules about this. You must be born to a Jewish mother first. Judiasm is passed down through Mitochondrial DNA. So, there has to be more to this story than a group of Ethiopians getting clever enough to game the system.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:10 | Link to Comment formadesika3
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There is a lot more to that story about the black jews. My memory is fuzzy I'm sure there's plenty of info online.

I have a cousin who married a jew and he insisted that she convert to judaism before they have any children. She had two kids with that very pious hebrew gentleman and then he abandoned her to raise the kids alone.

Her kids were raised as jews so I don't think that's true about how hard it is to convert. But maybe it's harder in some congregations than others. I don't know.

I think the ZOG will take just about anybody who can fog a mirror. Now they regret the decision to let the Ethiopes in? Gee, ya think it's more than just about religion?

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment Svendblaaskaeg
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"http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2012/05/oslo-rape-wave-detailed-statis..."

Swedish newspaper, google translate:

"..Now the 34-year-old Somali been charged with rape and violation of the law of sacrilege of the dead. According to the indictment, the woman was alive but totally helpless because of, among other things, drug and an alcohol, when the man initiated anal intercourse with her. The prosecutor makes it clear that the woman died during the rape and the man continued to have sex with the dead body.."

http://www.fyret.nu/2013/11/27/kvinne-dode-voldtekt-somalier-fortsatte-a...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:45 | Link to Comment Svendblaaskaeg
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Not Swedish newspaper but Norwegian, sorry!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Payne
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They will have to be a slave to both masters for now both the EU and Mother Russia.  Lots of people do not want to go back to the yoke of Mother Russia they think Greece's future looks good to them.

As the population gets desperarate they take on desperate ideas, not rational thought.

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:01 | Link to Comment Global Hunter
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The Western powers didn't wait too long to use their NGOs to cause turmoil and chaos in a foreign state when results didn't go their way.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment lolmao500
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And that is why Putin banned foreign-funded NGOs in Russia... he's former KGB, he understands these things.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:02 | Link to Comment PFO
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Hey Chemystical,

I appreciate your scholarship! You would appreciate the decades of study of 'real' politics & economics by my good friend Dr. E. Michael Jones:

http://culturewars.com/

But, if you or E. Michael think ALL JEWS think alike read this eye-popper from a radical Orthodox American-Israeli Jew in Jerusalem:

http://cosmicx.blogspot.com/2009/12/gas-chamber-named-chelsea-clinton.html

No I don't think the "Kosher-Mafia" holds with Cosmic X.

But, I'm sure the average Jew doesn't hold with either above mentioned party, nor do they appreciate the media attention given to them!

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:33 | Link to Comment chemystical
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as an apostate jew who wouldn't exercise my right of return if every other square inch on Earth was afire, I disagree.  You can trot out Noam Chomsky's all day long and they can expound for days on rights and wrongs, but they're conspicuously silent on naming the 2000-lb gorilla in the room.  When it matters, most who I know will circle the wagons reflexively when called upon to do so.

We often hear or read one tell us about evil Islam and suggest that all Islam is evil, and then issue the challenge that if there were moderate Muslims then they'd speak out against radical Islam.  My reply has always been, "When have you ever handed them a microphone?"  Contrast that with the kosher parade of talking heads we see every Sunday:

Meet The Press: Chuck Todd, Andrea Mitchell, Thomas Friedman, ad nauseum

Fox News Sunday: Chris Wallace, Bill Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, Charles Lane, ad nauseum

The Situation Room: Wolf Blitzer

State of The Union: Candy Crowley

Reliable Sources: Howard Kurtz

C-SPAN might as well be AIPAC's booking agent.

In terms of socio-politics is there a more monolithic group think religious people in the world?  If there are any naysayers or apostates, then I'd like to see them handed a mic (in particular a mic that anyone without a "shortwave radio" has access too)

Ironically the group think in ISR is more diluted than elsewhere, but even with that the "Gush Shaloms" of this world are about as muted and marginalized disenfranchised as any group could be. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:00 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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Most of your list are non-praticing jews or athiests.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 15:46 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Most "Jewish" PhDs in the Natural Sciences are Atheists.  I know of a friend from grad school, who was/is one smart MF'ing physicist.

He liked Jewish "values" that bred secular success (education, family, ethics, competition & excellence, networking & leveraging, portable professions of self-employment and good cash-flow). 

He laughed at all religions.  Especially the "Monotheistic tribal shit & desert superstition, whose absolutism and org structure is designed for a secular and religious totalitarian religious hierarchy" as he put it.  He married a pretty Korean gal, who was an MD, and he jokingly called Koreans "the Jews of Asia". 

His idea of Heaven or an Afterlife:  "Blessed oblivion.  With no deity's ass to kiss for all eternity."  I concur, but we digress.  Point is, the Jewish tree/community is almost as diverse as the "Christian" tree/community. The one trait that he and I do recognize, is that they reflexively (a Pavlovian or conditioned response of "Conditioned Cohesion") to "circle the wagons" when threatened from the outside.

Here is an idea we kicked around as fellow science students, regarding ancient Jews in today's world:

// This trait of the Jews' secular success, closeness and "conditioned cohesion" makes them of particular use/value to the Luciferian, Globalist Oligarchs (who do NOT practice Mosaic Laws, but Babylonian traditions that Jesus had heartburn with).  These secret Luciferians are at the top of the Jewish pyramid, using the Jews as their day-walking, visible "familiars", to expand their leveraged control over one Central Bank and Government after another.  Their end-goal is a one-world government, under their "enlightened" vision.  This vision is based on another celestial being (super-sentient space-alien), who is not the spaceship Captain 'Yahweh' (CO -Commanding Officer) that most people worship, but his mutinous 'Lucifer' (XO - Executive Officer) who was left on earth (along with fellow mutineers) after an unsuccessful mutiny.  Much distortion and superstition has morphed into organized religion around these beings and ancient events (by Middle East desert ancestors).  Luciferians see Yahweh as an ogre, a ruthless and totalitarian-CO, and Lucifer as a more democratic/progressive XO who just could not see eye-to-eye with his CO.  They think that Yahweh should have been defeated, put into prison and sent back to the Federation for trial.  But, like Captain Bligh (Mutiny on the Bounty) of the Royal Navy, it was Yahweh who won over the mutineers and got to "spin" his story with his superiors back home. //  I reserve all rights for publication and screenplay.  So, hands off, you damn parasitic plagiarists!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Dollar Bill Hiccup
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Rooskies were a pain in the a-s in Syria. Hmmm, who's agitating now Vladimir?

Same as it ever was, same as it ever was.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:11 | Link to Comment adonisdemilo
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Vtaly Klitschto says the dream has been destroyed.

Would that be the same dream that the 50% plus of Spain, Greece and all the other dreamers under 30 had before they realised that it wasn't really a dream, IT WAS, AND IS, A FUCKING NIGHTMARE.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:05 | Link to Comment gold_pa3ot
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It's not that people in Ukraine want to be part of EU or anything else. It is just people that are fed up with this corrupt government and thiefes. Not signing of the trade resolution with EU was just a trigger..

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:13 | Link to Comment hmmmstrange
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Looks like Ukraine was traded for Iran.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:39 | Link to Comment RumCurrency
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There is definitely a power shift going on right now from the west to the east.  Ukraine gives Russia a strong footing in Eastern Europe.  Moscow simply told Iran to stop taunting the US while the Ukranian acquistion takes place.  It is a classical misdirection strategy to toss the US a bone as they dine on steak.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:26 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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Kill a commie for your mommy!

 

Ooops... too late, they've infiltrated every school, media outlet, and government agency from the White House on down.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:23 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Everyone is lost but you! What are the chances?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:58 | Link to Comment Peter Pan
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When you come to a fork in the road....take it. At least so says one sage.

The Ukraine is between a rock and a hard place. Not because it has two choices but because neither choice is particularly good.

Maybe it shoud sign an economic pact with Europe and a defence agreement with Russia whereby Russian forces retain bases in the Ukraine.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Another 'hybrid' solution would be for Ukraine to be part of two economic trade zones, and retain a defence agreement with Russia... since the Western MIC (US, UK and France) are playing a zero-sum game of Global Arms (Global Debt) against Russia + China.

The EU and its US Masters (the Fed and its private shareholders) are desperate to keep the Dollar Ponzi going.  If they can annex the Ukraine, it keeps their game of Stratego going, as new Assets can back up their fiat currency and fiat derivatives.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Good thing Yellen is the new Fed Chairman.

She's going to have to print a hell of a lot more USD to keep the latest "Orange Revolution" going.

The U.S. Government is screwed however when the mercenaries and official(S) we install through coups start demanding their payment in gold and silver.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment ebworthen
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Too bad they don't realize that it doesn't matter if they go EU or Russia; the beatings will continue literally or figuratively.

What, do they want Starbucks and WalMart?  Because that is what they are really going to get if they come this way.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Who cares, they'll still be buying Gazprom gas either fucking way.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment Lord Peter Pipsqueak
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I had to read this over and over before I could believe my eyes, the people were protesting against their governments preference to do a deal with Russia rather than the EU!!!!!.

If after all that has happened to the PIIGS economically together with mass uncontrolled third world immigration to replace the existing people isn't enough, then they deserve all they get in my opinion.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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So the rulers choose the USSR instead of the EUSSR, and some malcontents don't like the decision. Whatever. These protests are just noise. They will learn to adapt.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:42 | Link to Comment Kirk2NCC1701
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Putin should've seen this  move coming and countered it in time with his own NGOs. So much for Russians being chess players.

What the Russians don't seem to realize, is that Propaganda does not rest on the moves or statements of a few leaders.  It must be supported by an entire army of media type and their own NGOs.

Regardless, the Ukraine is 'fucked', if they join the EU Brothel.  Barbara Specter's statement (Blazed's Youtube link above http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgOw139MUtU) makes this clear.  The Agenda is to enslave the EU also, by homogenizing its cultures into one homogenous Pap -- whose Vision, Values and Laws they define.  If we are to be intellectually honest, then ethnic and genetic mixing should be good for ALL groups -- including Barbara Lerner Specter's group.  According to Barbara, "Jews will be in the center of this ethnic homogenization... without Jews in that leading role and without that transformation, Europe will not survive" (1:14-1:50).

You can't make up this shit.  There you have it, straight from forked tongue of Agent Spectre -- an agent of the NWO Luciferian Oligarchs, who use Jews as their host and "familiars".

I know of a Swede, who for many years was bothered by his country's Feminazis and "genetic & ethnic fading" [his words] if his country.  The irony is that he married a Korean gal, and they now have 'Koredish' kids who are more Korean than Swedish looking.

Ukraine, you are next.  And thus the noose on Russia gets tightened more and more, one country at a time.   Russia's former Feudal masters (who became expats in London, Paris and NY in 1917) and their offspring want back their "God-given right" to rule over Mother Russia.  They are now part of long-established secret societies and like feudal Terminators, they will never rest and never stop until they achieve total victory.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:38 | Link to Comment Blazed
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@Kirk,

Actually, to be intellectually honest, racial admixture isn't good for all racial/ethnic groups. You generally have medical, psychological, social detriments with mixed progeny, they are actually weakened on many fronts, as it is genetically maladaptive. Just to start, it is dysgenic for higher IQ racial-ethnic groups. The higher average general IQ Ashkenazi Jews know this, this is why they push multiculturalism and miscegenation for others, while holding to relatively strict racial-ethnic mixing laws and philosophical stances(secular or religious) in Israel and in their communities elsehwere. It is simply an ethnic warfare/competition strategy. 

http://www.majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/the_health_consequences_of_race_mixing/

http://sociobiologicalmusings.blogspot.com/2011/10/problems-with-mixed-race-marriages-and.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/

Average General IQ.

http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic185351.files/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

http://rense.com/general77/racedif.htm

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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Putin doesn't need to.

What our Government and the "free mainstream media" fails to acknowledge and broadcast to the American people is that the majority of Ukranians are "on board" with strong ties to Russia because 1) It's based on the proximity of geography and culture 2) All of the natural resources and commerce they want and more importantly "need" based on 1) is in that relationship.  Might as well throw Georgia into that mix as well.

How is the U.S./EU going to serve the interests of the Ukraine?

Most of the ones I know that live in the Northeast that were marketable with skills started leaving 5 years ago.  Putin is building stability in his economy that doesn't live in North America anymore.

Like China, Russia will continue to give the U.S. and EU plenty of rope to hang themselves.  So there is no propoganda campaign that he needs to foster for billions of dollars out of pocket that is bleeding the U.S. dry every second of every day for the past 12 years!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:56 | Link to Comment Freddie
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Why would anyone in their right mind want to have anything to do with O's USSA? 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:43 | Link to Comment RumCurrency
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I was expected Ukranian protests to look more like this :(

http://cryptome.org/2012-info/femen-wef/femen-wef.htm

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:31 | Link to Comment Son of Captain Nemo
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My "eyes" thank you for that post.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment Oldballplayer
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Do black swans fly east from Ukraine, or west?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:10 | Link to Comment andrewp111
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Back in the USSR, boy, you don't know how lucky you are - back in the USSR.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment novictim
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Right on Ukraine!  Never let the tyhungs take over your country!

 

Now it is the US turn to protest the oligarchs and restore the US republic.  

Fight for public financed elections and full disclosure of campaign finance funding!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:09 | Link to Comment ronaldawg
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Didn't Pbama already call for ublic financed elections and full disclosure of campaign finance funding?

Then he spent the most money ever.  Its a Dem dirty trick.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 19:10 | Link to Comment novictim
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Yep, he did.  Obama is in that pantheon of worst US presidents.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment Anonymouse
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Just a nit, Tyler.  Please don't say "The Ukraine".  The country is "Ukraine".

 

It was called "The Ukraine" when it was considered a region of the Soviet Union.  Ukrainians (most of them) are not too keen on that.

 

Thanks for the coverage though.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:38 | Link to Comment tony wilson
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lord edwyn says to lord jacob rothschild what the fuck are doin you old cunt.

lord jacob says to rokerfella skank  you fucking dead yanky prick watta you doin?

rockerfella skank says to vampyre corpse  george soros you useless bastard how could you let putin get away with this.

soros throws loads a money at the ukraine.

FALSE FLAG ARAB SPRING UKRAINE WINTER FREEDOM FUCKERS.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:39 | Link to Comment disabledvet
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the answer is Hungary, 1956? seems odd for this site. the Eastern Ukraine is all about the coal as I understand it. Seems odd to have a war over coal in this day and age. Putin has already left the President of "white Russia" (Lukashenko?) high and dry vis a vis the fertilizer industry. does seem a little chaotic...not that a pretext is ever in order I imagine.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:58 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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what a strange place Europe is, seen through the lens of those comments

Interesting how many commenters seem truly shocked to read of millions wanting their country to join the EU

in fact many of them are also willing to migrate to the US, given a chance, a job, an offer that gives the hope for a brighter future

and some truly believe in the ideals of the EU - for example the four freedoms while keeping national heritages and nationalities. In short, confederation

too much "superstate" propaganda? The "European Dream" differs in many point from the American Dream, yet from outside they both have sparkle

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:17 | Link to Comment Black Forest
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and some truly believe in the ideals of the EU - for example the four freedoms while keeping national heritages and nationalities. In short, confederation

Do you believe in what you say? I am part of this fucking neo-communist EU, their crappy, shitty "commissars", and am extremely keen to get rid of that ragtag asap.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:27 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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Do you? How much of what you dislike about the EU is actually about your country? Make just one example. Just one. Perhaps one where you bothered to check how your country voted on, and which parties endorsed it

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:33 | Link to Comment Black Forest
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Only communists, nazis and donkeys discuss about how "their country" and fucking "parties" voted. I am a bit too old for kindergarden.

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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sure, yet you are "part of the EU", eh? How? Sorry, you never truly *left* kindergarden

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:55 | Link to Comment Black Forest
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I spit on your EU commie crap.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:03 | Link to Comment Ghordius
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You wrote that you are "part of the EU". your words, not mine. And they don't make much sense, particularly in the context of "how countries voted"

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:18 | Link to Comment Chewybunny
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Why are you so shocked?

Vast majority of the people commenting here and elsewhere have hardly ever stepped a foot out of their countries. Hell, I bet they hardly ever stepped a foot out of their regions, (state or county). 

Most of their information is fed by news and stories that reinforce their pre-conception of the world.

The near hypocricy that comes from the commentators on ZH is astounding. It's like some people can come across as incredibly rational, thought provoking, and deep...but throw in Jew, Muslim, or Asian, into the mix and all of that falls to the curbside and is replaced entirely by either blatant hatred or veiled hatred.

 

I bet most of these people have no real personal connection to the topics at hand. 

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