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Obama Administration Admits "There Is More Work To Be Done" As Healthcare.gov Relaunches

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While even the most naive private sector cyber-experts knew well in advance that an effective rewrite of Obamacare's 500 million lines of code would take a "little longer" than the month promised by the government in advance of the November 30 fix deadline, the Obama administration went ahead with its much touted healthcare.gov relaunch anyway. The results have been mixed.

The WSJ quotes Obama administration officials who said Sunday there has been "dramatic progress" in fixing HealthCare.gov but acknowledged "there is more work to be done" in improving the site and its underlying technology and that technicians for the site said they will not be able to fix all the glitches by the deadline.

Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services officials released an eight-page report Sunday morning offering a few details of progress in fixing the site, which crashed shortly after its launch Oct. 1.

The site now allows 50,000 people to use it at the same time, according to the report, and wait times for Internet pages to load have dropped from 8 seconds to less than a second. More than 400 fixes have been made to the site.

 

"The bottom line, HealthCare.gov on Dec. 1 is night and day from where it was on Oct. 1," said Jeffrey Zients, the Obama aide tasked with fixing the technical mess, in a call with reporters.

Ironically, if Obamacare ends up being the success Obama has portrayed it as since day one, and traffic to the website surges (as is needed for Obamacare to become financially viable as opposed to just stop showing 404 screens), it is likely that it will crash once again. CMS representative Julie Bataille cautioned, “If there are extraordinary high spikes in traffic, which exceed the site’s capacity, consumers will be put in a new advance queuing system that will give them an expected wait time, or allow them to be notified via email when they can return to the site." Aka: F5.

That said, assuming the website is indeed finally fixed, it is clear who should be thanked: Google and Oracle. "Contractors and outside engineers from Google Inc. and Oracle Corp. brought in by Obama administration officials have been working overtime over the past five weeks to try to fix the site and its underlying technology, including systems that send information and payments to insurers. Administration officials say they installed fixes this weekend to address erroneous customer data that have been sent to insurers. They won't know if that issue has been fixed until more consumers get through the enrollment process and more customer data is sent to insurers, said Julie Bataille, a CMS spokeswoman."

In other words, you have to sign up for Obamacare, to find out not only what's in it and what your premiums will be, but if it has even been fixed.

Finally, those still confused about the enrollment process, will get some much needed clarity from the flowchart below.

 


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Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:09 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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In other words, Snowbama lied.  Again.  Imagine that.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:30 | Link to Comment onewayticket2
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The faster consumers find out how bad the "deals" are that they're required by law to buy, the faster this thing collapses under the weight of adverse selection...and the sooner obama's single, govt payer solution can be implemented.

Insidious, yes. Accidental, no

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment JLee2027
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If they reject Obamacare, people will reject single payer too. We will be a nation of mostly uninsured.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:43 | Link to Comment remain calm
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It is better to have no car than one that looks like a car with no brakes.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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Drive a wooden stake through it's heart,

   and while you're at it...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment pemdas
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When I look at the plans available to me, very few of them can tell me what doctors or hospitals are in the plan. Its kind of like buying a house without seeing it. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment HardlyZero
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You have to buy it before you know what's in it.

CRACKER JACK !  (surprise)

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:04 | Link to Comment knukles
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If you don't like your dysfunctional health care you're going to have to keep your dysfunctional health care

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:41 | Link to Comment mkhs
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When I am sick, I don't want insurance; I want a doctor.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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A very large portion of America had very functional healthcare prior to OCare which is why the LIE: If you like your insurance you can keep it, was so crucial to selling it.  Now the spin is well you had crap before but guess what, it wasn't crap.  

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:46 | Link to Comment negative rates
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Yea just send the coupon to the door and hope the youth pays, it's a scam of biblical proportions. Who's got skeletons in the closet for sale?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:18 | Link to Comment smlbizman
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cloward piven...on our way to single payer and maximum control...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:43 | Link to Comment Oracle 911
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You don't want a dotoctor, you want be healthy again, doctor is just an instrument.

 

I'm so wise./sarc?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 04:37 | Link to Comment mkhs
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Very wise.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:54 | Link to Comment boogerbently
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It's NOT the website. No mone wants the product.

There are ONLY two options:

Dems can say we're sorry, we lied.

OR

We're stupid (we believed what we were told, we didn't read it).

 

So far they are trying a 3rd path, denying what the FACTS are proving. That obamacare is PAINFULLY expensive for anyone but the poorest American.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:47 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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That obamacare is PAINFULLY expensive for anyone but the poorest American.


Yes, those who had totally free health care before, many of whom will now be bankrupted by copays and maxed out coverage.

Winning???

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:20 | Link to Comment Crash Overide
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I will not comply, I will not obey, I will not sign up for Obamacare EVER!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:33 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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The IRS will find you. The IRS will fine you. The IRS will garnish your income.

 

Welcome to Obamaville.

 

In Obamaville the leaders eat well. In Obamaville you eat shit.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:19 | Link to Comment boogerbently
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The initial stages of ending presidential term limits has started.

Scary !

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:03 | Link to Comment Beam Me Up Scotty
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"The IRS will find you. The IRS will fine you. The IRS will garnish your income"

Wait until they decide to make your insurance another payroll tax deduction.  You won't have a choice not to pay, just like your income taxes.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:20 | Link to Comment boogerbently
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Life is like a shit sandwich.

The more bread you have, the less shit you have to eat.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:13 | Link to Comment A Nanny Moose
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You have to buy it, to find out what's in it.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment aint no fortuna...
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best way to find out whether to waste your time going further is to go to TheHealthSherpa.com - a quick, easy, no-sign up tool that 3 techies created on their own - in 5 minutes you know everything you need to know about what subsidies you can get, what companies/plans are available for bronze, silver etc, and most importantly you can note the monstrous deductibles and coinsurance requirements many people will have to pay

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:27 | Link to Comment phaedrus1952
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Wow!   Thanks for that tip, Aint.  I just clicked on that site after reading your post and in about 3/4 minutes I got all the info I need.   Impressive work.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:12 | Link to Comment aint no fortuna...
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Glad it helped - those guys are sharp. I read that the obamacare site is trying to figure out whether to incorporate their stuff into the site. They won't, of course, because they want you to register, which you don't have to do w/ healthsherpa

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:51 | Link to Comment post turtle saver
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I cannot give this enough +1 votes... very nice and thanks for sharing that!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:48 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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so whats ur point?????

time to boycott/outlaw these ins companies

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:45 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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Maybe rather than the lunacy you suggest perhaps we could outlaw cronyism, lobbying and career politicians.  

Severe penalties for congress criters that break the law....including life in prison and even death.  

Liberty is not something we should sacrifice.  

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:09 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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fuck insurance companies, fuck em all

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:18 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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Riiightttt!  Fuck all companies.  They all suck - we don't need industry and wealth creation. 

Normally, I'd call you an idiot, or moron but today I'm in a grand mood due to the holiday fever most of us are embracing.

Today, you are not an idiot.

Merry Christmas.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:02 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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you can support the parisitic health ins companies all you want...I figured you to be a obombicare troll the minute i saw you here

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:35 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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Kill every person who voted for ACA?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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A nation of mostly uninsured is exactly what we need.

Many of us remember a time when no one really needed health insurance, because costs were reasonable and rational.

Do you have insurance for car repairs, or hang nails?  Third party payment created this beast.  Payment for service can kill it.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:26 | Link to Comment phaedrus1952
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The high deductibles so many of these plans offer is a near de facto 'payment for service' already.  Certainly a big step in that direction.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:37 | Link to Comment fxrxexexdxoxmx
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There was time when you could trade a pig or a cow for medical treatment but those days are gone.

 

I am raising pigs, cows, and chickens and hoping for a return.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:17 | Link to Comment ZH Snob
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Yes, we still have too many insurance policies left intact, but if we work with dogged perserverence I'm sure we can invalidate those too!

...and would someone please get Verichip on the phone?  we're missing out on all those good citizens who want theirs now.  we really need to chip 'em before those pesky christians start squawking about the mark of the beast and all that nonsense.  I mean, really, do I look at all beastly to you?

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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C'mon dufus, wake up. This legislation was written of, by, and for the insurance companies; Single-payer was never even on the table much less a long con goal.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment insanelysane
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I don't understand the down arrows, please comment.  The insurance companies couldn't sell these new OCare compliant plans in a free market.  They can only be sold by the government forcing people to buy them.  If you don't think so, let's see the insurance companies keep the pre and post plans and see which are purchased.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment PacOps
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http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ww2010.weblog.htm#e131201

Obamacare: 500M lines of code, $500M, only 60% completed

The historic IT disaster known as the Obamacare web site has been of intense interest to me, since I've been a Senior Software Engineer for decades, and I have personally participated in, witnessed, and reported on (as a technology reporter) a number of IT disasters. But even so, the size of the Obamacare web site catastrophe on October 1 still takes my breath away.

When I first heard, shortly after October 1, that there was 500 million lines of code in Healthcare.gov, I quickly rejected that figure, because it's impossible.

Going back to the development of IBM's System/360 operating system, as described in Fred Brooks' classic book, The Mythical Man-Month, the average programmer on the project wrote six lines of code per day. Of course, every programmer writes a lot more than that on SOME days, but on other days he writes zero lines of code, since he's doing testing or debugging or rewriting or documenting. So for System/360, it all averaged out to six lines per day per programmer.

So let's say that the Obamacare programmers were much better than that, and wrote 100 lines of code per day average. Let's say that there were 1000 programmers. And let's say that, over the three year period, there were about 660 business days. Then, with those generous assumptions, you get 100*1000*660 = 66,000,000 lines of code. It's simply impossible to reach 500,000,000.

And yet, the 500 million figure is apparently true. I've heard it dozens of times in the last month, and no one is denying it. Healthcare.gov apparently really does have 500 million lines of code. How is that possible?

I get a picture in my mind of 1,000 monkeys sitting a computers typing code, without worrying about whether or not it works. Given the size of the catastrophe, some variation of that must have happened.

More important than that, a code base that size is unsupportable. Health services is a rapidly changing field, and every time there's some kind of process or rule change, it will take an army of programmers to make all the necessary changes in the code base. And that assumes that all the bugs have been fixed, which is far from true. Healthcare.gov will not be fully functional at any time in the foreseeable future, if ever.

On October 1, Healthcare.gov had 500 million lines of code, and could handle six (6) simultaneous users. Facebook.com has 20 million lines of code, and handles millions of simultaneous users.

Then there's the cost. Healthcare.gov should have cost $5-10 million to implement. Take into account government corruption and incompetence, it should have cost $10-25 million. Instead, it cost $300-600 million -- let's say $500 million. How do we get to that figure? Well, assume 1000 programmers are paid an average of $100 per hour ($200,000 per year) for 8 hours per day for 660 business days: $100*1000*8*660 = $528 million. So at least that figure makes sense -- as long as you understand that the Obama administration poured half a billion dollars into the pockets of his cronies and supporters, and got exactly what he deserved with Healthcare.gov.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:01 | Link to Comment DeadFred
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You can get code a lot faster if you just copy and paste. The results suggest that they have incorporated large sections of the PacMan code to help gobble your $$$.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:54 | Link to Comment Matt
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Maybe the programmers were paid bonuses based on how many lines of code they wrote each day. Incentives matter.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:02 | Link to Comment kaiserhoff
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To err is human,

  truly epic cluster fucks require help from the government.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Surly Bear
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I modded you up. I am a senior analyst and you're 100% correct.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:01 | Link to Comment holdbuysell
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The accompanying articles on the blog site are equally interesting:

How could President Obama have been so wrong?

and

The future of Obamacare
Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:06 | Link to Comment johnconnor
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great points, I also work in IT, for me the most incredible thing of this clusterfuck (technically speaking) is that there was no general platform testing before market launch. Any single application I have seen through my career, goes though a lot of testing and there are quality control procedures, acceptance test plans, etc... the point is that either they knew (Project and IT Management) for sure that the site launch was going to be a total disaster and still decided to go ahead or no testing methodology was done. It is like purposely was launched to fail

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 19:33 | Link to Comment MisterMousePotato
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I think you're giving them too much credit.

I've worked with gov.emp IT types.

They are stupid. They cannot follow simple instructions. They know nothing. They have no concept (as in 'cannot conceptualize') how computers and networks work in any kind of fundamental sense. They have no understanding of what end users really want and need to do their jobs. They have no idea of what their end users actually do or how they do it.

They have their jobs because they went to college and 'learned computers'. And knew someone. Or are some preferred minority.

They have no real interest in the subject, and would'nt dream of furthering their education by sitting down on a Saturday night and reading, testing software, programming something for the fun of it, etc.

Instead, they go to seminars in Hawaii and get certiificates and a raise and a new title/position.

They are as incompetent a group as ever existed in the history of the world, and thinking that they might actually intentially pull off a FAIL as epic as this, well, all I can say is that you've never worked with them.

Obviously, there are exceptions. Or might be. I dunno. I've never met one.

Some have been better than others. Curiously, I've found the female gov.emp IT folks better than the men. Which is not generally how it is out in the real world.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:09 | Link to Comment ILikeBoats
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Even assuming that the 500 million lines of code stuff is true, it probably means that they are using code-generation tools and Java, which is pretty verbose and splits things up into many lines.  Obviously the code quality is very low because

 

For instance, iteration can be 1 line in the C language:

  for (x=0;((x>3) && (x<9)); x++)

in Java 6 lines (code snippet doesn't do the same thing):
int sum(int[] a) { int result = 0; for (int i : a) result += i; return result; }

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:37 | Link to Comment Miss Expectations
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Well, at least no one was expecting Shakespeare.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:55 | Link to Comment Chandos
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@PacOps

 

Fascinating account! Thank you for the time you put in it.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:39 | Link to Comment Riquin
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I am retired now, but worked in the high tech all my life from 17 to 65 years old always designing system of all kinds  and shapes. I Igree with you there is no way you can have a system with 500 millions lines of code. Also the system is not necesary since you can do your research by going to the insurers sites and get the information that you need.

 

  

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 20:46 | Link to Comment StychoKiller
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Hopefully, you visit http://thedailywtf.com/ on a daily basis

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 04:12 | Link to Comment John_Coltrane
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I'm guessing they must mean 500M lines of highly redundant source code.   Certainly not the instructions which result from the compilation of this source code.  Or maybe they just have a main program of 1M lines but call a subroutine of 1M lines 500 times!  That's an easy way to get to that number.  Its safe to assume none of the code is original but rather like writing a book by cutting and pasting all other existing books into your "book".   

It would be as amusing as a Monty Python sketch (like the ministry of silly walks) if it wasn't making so many people's lives so miserable.  Its best to completely ignore it.  There are no "penalties" if you're wise enough to make sure you underpay your taxes.  And you should be doing this anyway.

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment rubiconsolutions
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The government has done a brilliant job of marketing the (un)Affordable Care Act as being all about the functionality of a silly website. It is no longer about the morality of forcing people to buy a service or product against their will. Instead, it's about broken links and buggered databases. In the mind of many therefore, once the website is fixed so will the ACA. Nothing could be further from the truth. People will still be forced to buy a product they have no desire to buy or be fined for not doing so. Despite what the black robed idiots in the supreme court said this is immoral.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:03 | Link to Comment Hobbleknee
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The site is down atm. :D

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:30 | Link to Comment robertsgt40
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I liken this to waiting in line to buy an overpriced Yugo.  BTW, isn't  "there is more work to be done" a masonic capstone?  Remember, "The power of the pyramid is working for you"? 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:10 | Link to Comment jon dough
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Night and day in bizarro world still means it's a kludge.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:11 | Link to Comment f16hoser
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Obama, and his loyal follower's, are FUCKING MORONS!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:23 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Yes and they continue to be as inbred as they were. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:37 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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Although I was guilty of it until a few years ago, anyone who has watched the seamless transition from W to Zero, and who watches the farse that is the supposed division in Congress and who still votes for either Team, is mentally defective.   My new favorite is the Ted Cruz supporter.  Here's a guy married to a Goldman executive who received most of his large campaign contributions from major banks, and yet still people still believe he stands for something else because of what he says.  

Until people abandon the two party sytem and start voting for outside candidates who support real campaign reform (getting corporate and large donor money out of politics), nothing will change.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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Don't forget Chris Christie and his wife.  The names change, but the fix is in, stays the same. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Don't forget that Ted Cruz gets his Dad on the circuit as well to give speeches. What a fucking hypocrite the Cruz's are. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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....Ted Cruz's political hero is Phil Gramm, thats all I need to know

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:09 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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Phil Gramm, a real American hero. He helped to give the Banksters all they needed to consolidate power. Why Bill Clinton get a pass on this is perplexing too.

"It repealed part of the Glass–Steagall Act of 1933, removing barriers in the market among banking companies, securities companies and insurance companies that prohibited any one institution from acting as any combination of an investment bank, a commercial bank, and an insurance company. With the passage of the Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act, commercial banks, investment banks, securities firms, and insurance companies were allowed to consolidate. The legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gramm-Leach-Bliley_Act

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:26 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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Ummm, because Clinton is a democrat.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:25 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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Monica Jewinsky was the biggest 'Honey Pot' operation in history...........Clinton sold out his country and his soul when he signed that law

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment chemystical
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My 1st presidential vote was for Ed Clark, and I can say that I have NEVER voted for any candidate with a (D) or an (R) behind their name. 

When Perot first ran, if only half the people who said that they would vote for him...actually did vote for him, then you'd been spared the drama of the latter day Mata Hari and her semen-stained blue dress. 

"Wasting my vote"?  If you dont vote for what you want, then you'll only get it by accident*.

btw, ain't it quite the cohencidence that back to back major DC sex scandals (Clinton and Condit) involved young Kalifornia jewess interns whose fathers cohencidentally were both oncologists?  Sounds more like a sayanim network.

* and yes I'm well aware of the disparty between exit polls and the putative count, and aware that it matter who counts the votes.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:08 | Link to Comment LetThemEatRand
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I voted for Perot even as a young guy who was still entrenched in the Red/Blue paradigm, because I hated Bush and Clinton and I thought Perot had a point on the giant sucking sound.  And of course he was right.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment knightowl77
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I also voted for Perot...Bush was an idiot and Clinton was a moron D or R = Nutjob

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:10 | Link to Comment FinalCollapse
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I liked Perot too. He should've won that presidential election.

'..giant sucking sound': go tell this to thousands of Americans who found job in Canada...

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 04:22 | Link to Comment John_Coltrane
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The problem with Perot was that he liked to spy on his employees, NSA style.  And, of course, he was the nations first welfare billionaire (his company was based almost entirely on government computer contract work).  Only the liberatarian party offers a true alternative to the current parties.  Gary Johnson was outstanding in his ideas in the last election.  And he was a truly self-made millionaire.  But the best approach is to pull a Galt and starve the beast.  People with talent and ability should withhold that talent and ability and allow the system to collapse of its own incompetance.  Only meritocricy is consistent with the rules of evolution.  We need a big reset, which fortunately, will happen regardless of any actions the government can take.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:12 | Link to Comment Buckaroo Banzai
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"They won't know if that issue has been fixed until more consumers get through the enrollment process and more customer data is sent to insurers."

"We have to pass the bill to find out what's in it!"

At least they are consistent in their approach.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment Alea Iactaest
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Why does everyone think the website problems are a bug and not a feature?

Everyone's talking about what a disaster the website is to the exclusion of the substance of the program. If the website is fixed then all of the problems must be fixed, right? Now quit complaining.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment HardlyZero
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So we need to walk off the cliff to see if gravity will pull us down.

Next Fix Plan: Teleportation and anti-gravity.

This situation is sooo Sci-Fi.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:15 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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Stop your bitching......it's not going away.  BTW.....I don't support it in any way, fashion or form.

But unless you have an armed revolution.....your bitching is useless.

Obamacare is permanent......until it isn't.  And when it isn't it will be because it has turned into single payer.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:46 | Link to Comment ElvisDog
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Single payer, with a twist. Wealthy people will move to paying retainer fees to private doctors for their medical care. The best doctors will move to this private practice model because there won't be the government bureaucratic nightmare that will be the healthcare system for the unwashed masses. The 99% will have fully government-run health care. The wait-times will be long. The care will be shoddy. The doctors in that system will consist of the less-skilled ones, the starry-eyed do-gooders, or the fresh-outs with massive student loans. The govt will make them a deal to pay off their student loans in exchange for a certain number of years in the govt system. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:54 | Link to Comment Blano
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I could be wrong obviously, but I think once govvie sees this they will move to stop it. 

I'm sure their "solution" will only make things worse, just sayin'.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:00 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Bringing "Baby Doc" fly-by-night healthcare to you!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:14 | Link to Comment therearetoomany...
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This is already happening and has been for a couple years now.   In Naples FL, a significant number of physicians are now considered consierge, many of those, exclusively.  They don't want to deal with the government or insurance companies.   And, the folks there are wealthy enough to support it.

Further, I had (God rest his soul) a friend in England that expatriated to France.   He would go back to England about 4 months a year.  One day, he developed a rather nasty rash on his arm.  it was excruciatingly painful.   He went to see a doctor and was told it would be 6 weeks before he could be seen.   Fortunately, for him being wealthy and all, he had a friend that knew a guy.    This guy was able to hook him up with a dermatologist for a Saturday consultation.   The catch? 500 pounds.  

As with all stuff the government tries to do, the wealthy will always get around the system and the only way to stop it, is to make it illegal, subjecting it to underground activity enforcing the law at the point of a gun.  Something Hayek warned us all about...all socialism leads to tyranny and death...and the little guy usually pays the biggest price.  

It used to be fairest here in the good ole USA.   Those days are gone now.  

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:32 | Link to Comment Emergency Ward
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Single payer has all the advantages of prison hospital care: totally bureaucratic, providers qualified by credentials rather than competence, zero patient choice and hidden, uncontrollable costs.....the difference is free burial service.....

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:17 | Link to Comment HardlyZero
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And Nurse Ratched with a sharp scalpel and system with lots of experiments to perform on the patient patients.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 04:29 | Link to Comment John_Coltrane
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This has already happened, especially among skilled doctors themselves who understand how generally incompetent the typical physician is.  And it is widespread in the EU.  The best care is always at private clinics which take no insurance.  And often less expensive as well! 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:11 | Link to Comment HardlyZero
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democracy is revolutionary ? 

Human laws can be changed through voting, unless we have a monarchy or dictatorship.

If there is enough discontent it will be voted out, supreme court or not.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:51 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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How do you think we got this "democracy" you idiot ?.......(and besides....it WAS a Republic)

We got it through the  bullet not the ballot.

We killed and maimed more of our English brethren than they did us.  And then they left us alone.  Until they came back and we killed more of them AGAIN than they us and they FINALLY got the hint and left us alone permanently.

But keep dreaming that your vote means anything in the age of Globalization and Central Bank Printing and Global Wage Arbitrage.

You're owned the moment you popped out from between your mother's legs......and you will go into the ground just as owned.

Suck it and deal with it.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:39 | Link to Comment Jumbotron
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I see that at least 8....so far.....people need that free psychotherapy under Obamacare if they think Obamacare is going anywhere or if in 10-15 years it won't be single payer.

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:23 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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Next Year 80 millions Amerikans will lose their coverage, Ah Da Plan is working flawlessly. 

Forward USSA

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:24 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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Obama has been a failure in every way, except destroying America middle class and enriching the top 1%.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:27 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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And yet the worshipping by the sheeples has not stopped. When and how did this go so terribly wrong?

Brianwashed at it's best. Wow, Edward  Bernays is proud

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:49 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Perhaps opposition voices were so divisive and screech-filled as to be easily marginalized and ignored by the majority of the population.

#buzzingsoundinthesheeplesears

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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Or perhaps they voted for the person who'd pay them from the public coffers regardless of true debate.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Funny how that 'pay' ends up in Wal-Mart and Chase's pockets instead of theirs; I'm sure the economy would be raring back if they were starving and rioting though.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment chemystical
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...perhaps the "opposition" was the other half of the good cop : bad cop false dichotomy.  Perhaps the loudest megaphones were co-opted long ago and freedom of the press is free only to those who have a press.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:17 | Link to Comment Bay of Pigs
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What "opposition" are you talking about? The state run media doesn't allow any third parties.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:51 | Link to Comment Colonel Klink
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Nope, it's easy to worship he who will provide for them at the expense of others.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:10 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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I'm sure Lloyd and the boys have a little golf-club-wielding shrine in those offices, yes.

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:25 | Link to Comment I Write Code
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I logged into the site and now I'm healed!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:36 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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If you like your ZH, you can keep your ZH.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment chemystical
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I'll pass.  I recall reading how Bram Stoker wrote something about the vampyre needing to invited in.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:28 | Link to Comment Ignatius
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Wow, this ObummerCare is such a deal I have only one question (a yearning, really):  Can I buy two plans?  I'm a sucker for a sale.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:08 | Link to Comment mkhs
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If the plan pays 50% of the doctor's fee, get two: you'll end up paying only 25%.  However, if the policy states you will pay $40 per visit, go with only one and avoid the extra expense.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment blindman
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http://noliesradio.org/archives/72262
Saint John Hunt: Reflections on dad’s confession to helping CIA kill JFK _on Kevin Barrett’s Truth Jihad Radio
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http://noliesradio.org/archives/39269
JFK Day special: My interviews with James Douglass and Saint John Hunt_on The Kevin Barrett Show
This show was broadcast November 22, 2011.
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/disputing-the-official-theory-that-oswald-w...
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Disputing the Official Theory that Oswald was the “Lone Assassin” of JFK. More Evidence

By Global Research News
Global Research, November 27, 2013
..."
“The media mockingbirds endlessly repeat the mantra, ‘But surely, in a conspiracy as large and complex as you’re suggesting, someone would have talked!’ They hope the public will not bother to learn that a great many whistleblowers HAVE talked – including some who paid with their lives.

“Several people involved in the CIA’s assassination of JFK have confessed, including Chauncey Holt, David Sanchez Morales, and even Lyndon Johnson. But the star witness among the confessed JFK assassins is CIA officer E. Howard Hunt, who, on February 6th, 1985, was legally found by a jury to have participated in the CIA’s assassination of JFK." ....

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:03 | Link to Comment dick cheneys ghost
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''Just two months after Kennedy's assassination, in his first economic report to Congress, Johnson recommended that America "expedite the release of silver from the coinage."  Johnson discontinued the issuance of silver certificates in 1964, and the process of retiring the outstanding certificates began.  As if that were not damaging enough, Johnson followed with his second major monetary reform in 1965, claiming that "the growing shortage of silver" had to be addressed.''

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/07/the_year_1965_and_the_destruction...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:06 | Link to Comment blindman
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meCnZOZqNk0
The Impeachment of LBJ - Nov22nd
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Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:03 | Link to Comment phaedrus1952
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Not trying to hijack the Obamacare thread, but the two items that - to me - should prove in slam-dunk fashion the culprits behind the JFK murder are the videos/interviews with Green Beret Col. Dan Marvin telling how he was asked by a Company man to assassinate Navy officer Bruce Pritzer (who was in possession of JFK's autopsy photos), and Col, Fletcher Prouty's pointing out the presence in Dealy Plaza of Ed Lansdale (pictured from the back in the often-seen CROPPED picture of 'the three tramps'.  This identification was further verified - in writing - by General Krulak.

All the above is easily verifiable and accessible on the internet.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:31 | Link to Comment blindman
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considering that there are those who have hijacked
the law, the constitution, the structure and
function of the government and money system,
your transgression is relatively innocent and
much appreciated.
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Green Berets Used In Domestic/USA Assassinations
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joUlOR7fX98

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:29 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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Healthcare from a communist street agitator turned president?

 

Better dead than red.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment El Viejo
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The current health care system started in 1971 when Edgar Kaiser (of Kaiser Permanente) approached Richard Nixon through an advisor.  The next day Nixon, a Republican,  "sold" the American people on the idea. 

'Obamacare' began in 'earnest' with ideas from the Heritage Foundation.  (a conservative think tank)

It is NOT what Obama originally wanted.  Inevitably compromises occur.  It was fine tuned and modeled on Romney Care. (a Republican Gov of Mass)

Obamacare is pure capitalizm.  Crony capitalizm.  It has absolutely nothing in common with socialized health care.  Americans are forced to buy insurance for the profits of the health care industry.  Middlemen who profit always raise the cost of everything, but in this case the theory was that your health insurance would go down if everyone was forced to carry insurance. Kinda like forcing people to buy car insurance.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:22 | Link to Comment chemystical
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"Kinda like forcing people to buy car insurance."

Not a bad analogy considering that because there are so many deadbeats out there exercising their "right" to drive a car, in addition to buying auto insurance I'm also required (by prudency) to purchase UNINSURED motorist insurance to in essenece provide insurance to the uninsured.  FUCK EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.  WALK FOR ALL I CARE.  MOVE CLOSER TO YOUR JOB (if you even have one).  TAKE A BUS (use your Obamapass).  Just stop swinging a chain saw in my direction and then saying "Oops, my bad" (and dountful that 5% ever say or think that.  FUCK EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM.

edit: and if there's any justice, then the next citizen that these skofflaws plow into and kill will be a judge or the judge's family.  It's the courts' abject refusal to enforce the law that abets these fucks. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:24 | Link to Comment Emergency Ward
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You left out HillaryCare.  And FEMA-mandated flood insurance.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:49 | Link to Comment 22winmag
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Yes, the American Nazis and the American Communists chew some of the same dirt.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:03 | Link to Comment knightowl77
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Heritage later rejected their plan....RomneyCare was also rejected by a majority of the red team....ObammyCare was put into law with not a single red team vote, after numerous back room deals with hesitant members of the blue team....No one who voted for the bill, read it before voting YES on it....

The compromises he made (ur dear leader) were with the blue team and his puppet masters....

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:32 | Link to Comment Reaper
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The increased Medicaid enrollees will only increase the wait times for Medicaid services, because the number of doctors accepting Medicaid will decrease. Locally, most doctors see Medicaid patients only one part of a day per week. More patients divided by less doctors = longer waits for visits and treatments. Free has a cost. The present reimbursement for Medicaid is 80% of the amount allowed under Medicare. Obama's promised Medicaid heaven will become a greater hell.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:31 | Link to Comment Keyser
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None of the backend payment processing modules have been built or tested. The interfaces to send / receive data with insurers has not been reworked as the focus of the last 60 days was to get the customer facing components working in a high-volume environment, which is still marginal. They have a LONG way to go before the site is fully functional. I doubt the site will be fully functional by March 2014. 

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:57 | Link to Comment fingulas
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The stories I'm hearing in I.T. circles makes me think this site will NEVER be fully functional. 

Political intervention at EVERY point in the archectuture.  No two teams can communicate directly with one another. 

It's India-style culture when communication does leak around the political gate-keepers (i.e.: lying about state / deliverables).

Competent coders will flee this nightmare in droves, incompetent coders will make matters worse. Crappy project managers will produce reams of documentation no one will read and always be out of date, but the offshore coders will follow the docs to the letter, because anything else gets them in trouble.

One relativily well-connection friend said the original site (front-end) had been load tested and could support only 1100 sessions...FYI: I bet zero-hedge's site could support 10x that number on modest hardware.

The interfaces aren't done because no one is allowed to talk, Soviet style management structure all the way!

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:34 | Link to Comment CharliePrince
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did they pay moocheles friend  for the work  on the  site

 

lets take care of our past bills.  and friends

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:57 | Link to Comment glenlloyd
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yes...they did, and they're still paying them from what I have read.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:12 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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"Heckuva job, Brownie!"

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:38 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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How Obama Got Elected... Interviews With Obama Voters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:38 | Link to Comment SKY85hawk
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Administration officials say they installed fixes (to a new untested system!) this weekend to address erroneous customer data that have been sent to insurers (no testing/validation here!). They won't know if that issue has been fixed until more consumers get through the enrollment process and more customer data is sent to insurers 

(we don’t need no steenkin IT Standards!)

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:44 | Link to Comment Seasmoke
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So 50,001 people who hate Zerocare need to go to website 24/7 and render it useless. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:45 | Link to Comment DOT
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Cobol ?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:47 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Yes, when you quote a time for development that is less than the conceivable time to test said development, you are necessarily lyin' fru yo teefus.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:44 | Link to Comment Keyser
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Just poor management. No one in the food chain on this project should be there.

It always goes back to the 6 P's. Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:52 | Link to Comment DeFeralCat
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I bought a bottle of Gentleman Jack for my Obamacare. No freakin premium, deductible or website. And I know what will kill me..... with a smile.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:05 | Link to Comment GMadScientist
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Much better luck with methyl, just sayin.

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 12:55 | Link to Comment glenlloyd
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The lies and deceptions about this have been staggering. You can't trust that what this administration says is the truth or not and that's not just about health care, it's about everything this government does.

When govt officials admit that what Snowden has could seriously damage the US it's nothing but an admission that they've been doing things that they shouldn't have for years...and they know it. It's nothing but exposing the lies and deceit for what they are.

ACA will never work, they're just digging in deeper praying the fallout from this mess won't occur before the next election cycle because that's all they care about...which says a lot.

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:04 | Link to Comment krispkritter
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You built the POS you POS, and you can keep that POS you POS. Just stop spending tax dollars paying off the Wookie's college pals.  Oh, and go fuck yourself Barry...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:14 | Link to Comment blindman
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http://www.globalresearch.ca/disputing-the-official-theory-that-oswald-w...
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.."And listen to some 1968 quotes and warnings from comedian and JFK assassination expert Mort Sahl. Sahl was black-listed after JFK’s death when he came out publically disputing the Warren Commission’s “lone assassin” theory:

“Once the neo-fascists became bold enough to slay the President on the street, they showed their hand. They showed how arrogant they had become.”

“(America) has to hang on through a period of the military and the CIA who have a blank check trying to sell fascism. If she can hang on long enough, Americans may yet live in the country in which they were born. And that is the country structured by Tom Paine and Tom Jefferson.”

“(Fascism in America) started with the death of Roosevelt. They moved in and they negated every treaty we made with every world leader who didn’t fit the fascist/militarist mold.”"

To read the transcript of a 1968 interview with Sahl, go to: http://www.assassinationscience.com/AnHistoricalPerspective-MortSahl.html
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Robert Greenwald's "Koch Brothers Exposed" (Full)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTwqkl8BqSc
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LBJ and the Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy, pt 1 of 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8u7I42oLKE
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Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:16 | Link to Comment I am Jobe
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30,000 Protestors Launch A 'People's Coup' On Thailand's Government

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/thai-protesters-launch-peoples-coup-2013-12#ixzz2mFDRcwEN

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:19 | Link to Comment stant
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his legacy is the ussa version of fake shower heads

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:27 | Link to Comment joego1
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Wow! Fifty thousand people at a time can get screwed on their healthcare what an achievement! Next comes the soylent green web site and ebt cards.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:31 | Link to Comment joego1
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The death tax and Obamacare equate to one stop shopping for the demise of the middle class.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:16 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Only government, would consider a 20% failure rate...a success.

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And by success, I mean just getting through the maze that is the .gov website. No one has "bought" anything. The payment system on the back end isn't built...as testified to in Congress.

"It's some of the backend functions—the back office systems, the accounting systems, and the systems to make payments to issuers beginning in January—that still need to be built, according to Chao. These parts will be tested in the same way as the rest of the site.

Chao said developing and reviewing new parts of the site does not affect operation of the rest of the website. "It doesn't involve the front part," he explained. "When we're trying to calculate a payment, derive a payment, do data matches on the back end, that doesn't affect the HealthCare.gov operations."

CMS did not immediately respond to requests for comment."

http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-care/official-30-to-40-percent-of-obamacare-technology-not-yet-built-20131119

lol...what a farce.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:50 | Link to Comment loveyajimbo
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Frank Marshall Davis has a lot to answer for... we should dig him up and hang the bastard.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:53 | Link to Comment buzzsaw99
Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:53 | Link to Comment monad
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All American men will pay child support for all the hoes. Case dismissed.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 13:57 | Link to Comment Heroic Couplet
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How well did RomneyCare in Massachusetts work in Week X? that's the correct measure for the 48 states and ObamaCare. Not something you'll hear on Faux News.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:08 | Link to Comment nmewn
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Massachusetts imposed the second highest insurance costs in the nation on its people, right behind DC.

Now there is something to be proud of.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:00 | Link to Comment Heroic Couplet
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I keep telling my Republican pals the Bush tax cuts have been in place now for a dozen years. Where are the US jobs with benefits? LOL

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:15 | Link to Comment Dingleberry
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Here is all you need to know:

1. The youngsters that voted overwhelming for this bullshit artist will suddenly get amnesia and be exposed as the moronic hypocrites that they are and forget to sign up as it costs them too much. They would rather spend what little cash they have on dope.

2. The only ones that will drag their nuts over hot coals in order to actually sign up will be taking far more than they give. 

3. With the aforementioned in mind, what pray tell do you think will happen to your insurance premiums in the near future?

 

 

 

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:27 | Link to Comment phaedrus1952
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All that and then some ... In just a few months' time, the employer-provided plans are going to be facing skyrocketing premiums as they will become the 'last man standing' as regarding source of funds for this health care insurance fiasco.  Anyone currently getting decent coverage thru their employers is soon to be toast.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:28 | Link to Comment orangegeek
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I thought CGI Federal - a Canadian firm from Quebec - had it all handled.

 

Obamacare built by French Canadians. 

 

Isn't that excellent??

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 14:50 | Link to Comment Sturmbock
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The Center for Medicare Services (CMS) announced this past week that there would be an 11% cut to surgeon reimbursement for total knee replacements beginning  Jan 1st 2014. Medicare's intention is to ration care by reimbursing procedures at levels at which the service will no longer be provided.  This has the additional benefit that Medicare can continue to say "we pay for that procedure".  If you or your parents/grandparents need a knee replacement I suggest you consider getting it done sooner than later. As the Obama administration admits "There Is More Work To Be Done".

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:01 | Link to Comment I Write Code
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And as the price falls the success rate falls too (and the death rate increases), further reducing the demand. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:04 | Link to Comment americanspirit
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Flash - Obama plans to bring in 100,000 specially re-trained Chinese pig farmers who will staff ObamaClinics in every community

They will be authorized to euthanize any Affordable Care Act patient who, at their sole discretion, they determine isn't worth another day of SNAP rations.

They will be exempt from prosecution under US law due to their special "4Q" visa status.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:30 | Link to Comment loveyajimbo
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"Obama" translated to farsi:  "Lying Asshole"

 

http://home.roadrunner.com/~pjrpole/ACA.html

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 15:40 | Link to Comment Cynthia
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Sorry guys, but it is very difficult to unscramble eggs. Obama either knew (or should have known) what would happen to insurance markets, his bill was intended to make a massive shift in markets. That the administration really didn’t understand the consequences of throwing a lighted flare into a fireworks store, well, they did it anyway. And here we are. Trying to unscramble the eggs, or trying to find some magically political advantage, well, it ain’t going to work.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:24 | Link to Comment The worst trader
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Never intended to help anyone,not even uninsurable. They will need a bigger helicopter .

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:29 | Link to Comment roadhazard
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Obama would be better off now just ignoring repubicans. The web site is getting in gear and everybody that wants one gets an extension on the sign up.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 16:39 | Link to Comment Downtoolong
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Nope, just tried it. I didn't get any insurance, but, once again it created a 124 share short position in AAPL my TD Ameritrade Account.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:40 | Link to Comment I Write Code
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I logged in from my iPad and the crack in the screen healed itself!

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!