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Two-Thirds Of Americans Can't Be Trusted

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Only one-third of Americans say their fellow countrymen can be trusted according to a recent AP-GfK poll, down from over half 40 years ago. Americans are suspicious of each other in everyday encounters and who can blame them with the government appearing to bless any and all surveillance and intervention in the interests of the status quo. "I'm leery of everybody," warns one respondent, and as AP reports, this is a potential problem for economic growth as "social trust" brings good things. A society where it's easier to compromise or make a deal; where people are willing to work with those who are different from them for the common good, appears to promote economic growth. Distrust, on the other hand, seems to encourage corruption and there's no easy fix.

 

Via AP,

You can take our word for it. Americans don't trust each other anymore.

 

We're not talking about the loss of faith in big institutions such as the government, the church or Wall Street, which fluctuates with events. For four decades, a gut-level ingredient of democracy - trust in the other fellow - has been quietly draining away.

 

These days, only one-third of Americans say most people can be trusted. Half felt that way in 1972, when the General Social Survey first asked the question.

 

Forty years later, a record high of nearly two-thirds say "you can't be too careful" in dealing with people.

 

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Does it matter that Americans are suspicious of one another? Yes, say worried political and social scientists.

 

What's known as "social trust" brings good things.

 

A society where it's easier to compromise or make a deal. Where people are willing to work with those who are different from them for the common good. Where trust appears to promote economic growth.

 

Distrust, on the other hand, seems to encourage corruption.

 

Even the rancor and gridlock in politics might stem from the effects of an increasingly distrustful citizenry

 

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"It's like the rules of the game," Clark said. "When trust is low, the way we react and behave with each other becomes less civil."

 

There's no easy fix.

 

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Trust has declined as the gap between the nation's rich and poor gapes ever wider, Uslaner says, and more and more Americans feel shut out. They've lost their sense of a shared fate. Tellingly, trust rises with wealth.

 

"People who believe the world is a good place and it's going to get better and you can help make it better, they will be trusting," Uslaner said. "If you believe it's dark and driven by outside forces you can't control, you will be a mistruster."

 

African-Americans consistently have expressed far less faith in "most people" than the white majority does. Racism, discrimination and a high rate of poverty destroy trust.

 

Nearly 8 in 10 African-Americans, in the 2012 survey conducted by NORC at the University of Chicago with principal funding from the National Science Foundation, felt that "you can't be too careful."

 

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Can anything bring trust back?

 

Uslaner and Clark don't see much hope anytime soon.

 

 

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Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:32 | 4204236 Ignatius
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2/3 are sick and the other 1/3 is wrong.

No easy fix, indeed.  Modern life.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:36 | 4204253 tsx500
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BITCOIN !!   (sorry, way OT, but i just wanted to see how long it takes fonestar to reply to a bitcoin mention !) ... in 3...2...1...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:39 | 4204265 Sudden Debt
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he doesn't trust non-bitcoin related posts...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:48 | 4204294 dryam
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No surpirse.  Trust starts at the top.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:05 | 4204352 tsx500
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barry couldn't even spell the word 'integrity' , let alone practice it .

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:14 | 4204380 boogerbently
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Can't trust anyone on the govt. dole. That's over 1/2 of America right there. Then throw in the "working" liberals.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:55 | 4204515 F-Tipp
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Can we even trust that most Americans understand fractions enough to provide significant information?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 19:30 | 4204516 SWRichmond
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When does the two-way range open?

I DON'T WANT TO BE THE LAST ONE TO FIND OUT.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:11 | 4204371 LawsofPhysics
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Trust is lost once there are no longer real consequences for bad behavior (especially at the top).  All you need to know is that when fruad is the status quo (as it is now), possession is the law.

Same as it ever was...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 19:21 | 4204589 max2205
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Fluff

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 01:18 | 4205676 Anusocracy
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There is no shame, violence is glorified, thievery is not considered wrong, and most people's word is just part of a continuum of lies.

Devo.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:25 | 4204413 Kinskian
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Lack of social trust is a characterisitic of multicultural, racially diverse communities.

 

Diversity and social trust

Harvard professor of political science Robert D. Putnam conducted a nearly decade long study how diversity affects social trust.[88] He surveyed 26,200 people in 40 American communities, finding that when the data were adjusted for class, income and other factors, the more racially diverse a community is, the greater the loss of trust. People in diverse communities "don’t trust the local mayor, they don’t trust the local paper, they don’t trust other people and they don’t trust institutions," writes Putnam.[89] In the presence of such ethnic diversity, Putnam maintains that

[W]e hunker down. We act like turtles. The effect of diversity is worse than had been imagined. And it’s not just that we don’t trust people who are not like us. In diverse communities, we don’t trust people who do look like us.[88]

Ethologist Frank Salter writes:

Relatively homogeneous societies invest more in public goods, indicating a higher level of public altruism. For example, the degree of ethnic homogeneity correlates with the government's share of gross domestic product as well as the average wealth of citizens. Case studies of the United States... find that multi-ethnic societies are less charitable and less able to cooperate to develop public infrastructure.... A recent multi-city study of municipal spending on public goods in the United States found that ethnically or racially diverse cities spend a smaller portion of their budgets and less per capita on public services than do the more homogenous cities.[90]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_multiculturalism#Diversity_and_social_trust

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:29 | 4204429 FredFlintstone
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Amen.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 20:32 | 4204799 saveUSsavers
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Most Whites are DUMBASSES ! forget the rest, they will backstab you as fast as anyone on Earth, spreading their ignorance around the globe until ALL Americans will have a target on our back.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:53 | 4205105 Kinskian
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What I posted does not argue in favor of one race over another, only that large groups of people are happier, better adjusted and more productive when they share the same racial background. 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 05:13 | 4205897 daemon
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" Ethologist Frank Salter writes: .... Case studies of the United States.. ."

And what happens in other places ?

Aren't the US a little bit of an "exception" on that matter too ?

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 11:37 | 4206470 Kinskian
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Multi-Culturalism is an affliction of the European nations as well: burning cars in France, gang rapes in Sweden, the public beheading in London. It's tempting to call it a self-inflicted wound, but people never really have a say in these immigration matters. These conditions are imposed by the elite, whether in D.C. or Brussels. Occasionally a politician admits the truth....

 

"The concept of multiculturalism is actually incompatible with a democratic society. ... If one asks, where in the world are multicultural societies functioning, he quickly comes to the conclusion, that multiculturalism can only exist peacefully within strong authoritarian states. In that respect it was a mistake that we, in the early 1960s, brought in guestworkers from alien cultures."    - Former German Chancellor Helmut Schmidt  Hamburger Abendblatt, Nov. 26, 2004

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 13:51 | 4206957 edotabin
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There he goes raging against the machine all the while strengthening the European experiment with vastly different cultures. Let alone that open borders between so many countries increases the chance of introducing even more vastly different cultures. Say one thing but do another?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:37 | 4204419 Gringo Viejo
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"The louder he talked of his honor, the faster we counted our spoons." .....Ralph Waldo Emerson

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 20:51 | 4204856 Exponere Mendaces
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You're not sorry tsx500, you're just attention starved.

You don't see me posting "GOLD IS AN ANCIENT RELIC FOR OLD PEOPLE" in every thread, now do you?

But I guess with 2/3rds of everyone not trusting the other, the core source of your sadism is really your fear of others.

See how that went back on topic? Its so easy.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:46 | 4204278 Millivanilli
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John Corzine HERE(stole 1.6 billion!), bitchez.  Free as a bird.

 

The wealthy elite, like me,  want the vox populi fighting amongst themselves.   Dine on the shit we feed you at the grocery store, fast food restaurants, teevee and radio, it is meant to make you sick and unhappy.

JC

 

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 01:21 | 4205681 Lin S
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You did this Corzine thing once before and it STILL CRACKS ME UP!!!

LOLOL!  =D

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:51 | 4204299 rubiconsolutions
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I don't trust polls that tell me I can't be trusted.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:19 | 4204396 boogerbently
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I would never belong to a club that would have me as a member.

Groucho Marx

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:10 | 4204364 Freddie
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The vast majority of Americans are retards who live Obama, free shit, the NFL/NBA/NCAA, TV, Hollywood and other retardation.

The only thing that will save you is stacking baby.  Momma laying down suppression fire with .223 or 22 LR and pappy plugging them zombies with .308.    Jesus saves and so does your FAL, AR or AK.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:14 | 4204379 dick cheneys ghost
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Chuck Norris is my fav Hollywood propogandist!!

~~~

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:08 | 4204923 midtowng
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When people spend their time in front of a TV rather than talking to their neighbors, it should surprise no one that everyone is afraid of one another.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 09:16 | 4206125 The Final Straw
Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:33 | 4204241 francechinaman
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Unfaithful people are often the most jelous ones..

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:35 | 4204249 Sudden Debt
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You acuse your neighbour of the actions you do yourself.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:45 | 4204280 Ignatius
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'Projection' is one theory in psychology that rings true.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:20 | 4204402 jimmytorpedo
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Failure to bond with your primary care giver leads to a lack of trust as an adult.

Lack of trust in society escalates rapidly once mothers start dropping their kids off at daycare when they are babies.

If you can't trust your mother, why would you trust anybody else?

All carefully thought out by TPTB.

Destroy the family and create sheeple who trust the government instead of each other.

Stay home with your kids

 

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 02:04 | 4205747 NIHILIST CIPHER
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jimmyT              Have been saying that for forty years. When this country left the June Cleaver, mother in the home raising the children way of life, it all turned ugly. Just weeds where we used to have roses, nobody caring for the garden.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:47 | 4204283 akak
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I have found that those who are the least trustworthy are often, if not usually, those who are also the least trustful of others, as one almost invariably judges the rest of humanity based on their own self-image, both conscious and subconcious.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:37 | 4205038 Croesus
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I have found that people who you might not think you could trust, are often the most trustworthy, while the people "you should" be able to trust, are the biggest liars out there. 

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 23:20 | 4205421 Dr Benway
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There are studies on cooperation, reciprocity and trust that confirm your gutfeeling.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 05:56 | 4205939 PT
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He lies, cheats, steals, and laughs at the naivete of those who trust him.  The good people learn to avoid him.  The smart people learn to avoid him.  And then he complains that you can't trust anyone and good people are stupid.  He is too stupid to see that he has created his own hell on earth.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:37 | 4204242 Sudden Debt
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Paranoia... yeah... what a wonderfull world we live in.

Well, I trust everybody unless there's money involved. It's pretty easy actually. Don't give money to anybody, not even family or friends.
Don't do business with friends or family.
And don't tell jokes to you're best friends wife. Hands off.
And you'll be able to trust everybody and have nice social life.

If you can think for yourself you'll be fine.

The real problem is, most people don't think for themselves and blame oters when they made a bad mistake.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:49 | 4204293 tsx500
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SD you forgot one more ... if you meet a man who meets all three of the following :  can't hit more than 2 out of 20 free-throws ; doesn't know how many states in the USA ; names his dog after himself ..... don't trust him.    and definitely DON'T elect him president.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:36 | 4204245 shiftless
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I would say it's more like 1/3 who can't be trusted. From my watching of polls and other data it would seem there is a solid 1/3 of this country who are truly clueless fucktards. They are the dumb assholes who rally around their God Obama, giving verbal fellatio and believing every word that drips off his forked tongue. They will ride their goats straight into Hell with nary a clue.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:57 | 4204326 lakecity55
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It is a proven fact Bath House uses NLP to captivate his audiences. Watch the same speech with the sound on, then wait a few minutes and watch it with the audio off. Verrry interrrresting.....

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:35 | 4204254 Cognitive Dissonance
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Wait until things get really bad.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:55 | 4204320 lakecity55
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Well, at that point, (ugh) I'll add a picture of the Wookie.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:01 | 4204339 tsx500
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We are in a recovery.  Maria and Cramer said so .   I'm goin' with that. 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:34 | 4204443 Cognitive Dissonance
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Wait until the 'recovery' gets really bad. ;)

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:37 | 4204458 Hulk
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LOL !!!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:36 | 4204256 Duc888
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Exxxccceeeellllleeeennnntttt!

 

Turning in your neighbor will be the next growth industry.  Everything is going along as planned.  Hope and change muthafukkerz!

 

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:42 | 4204276 Ignatius
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Already making a list.  That one neighbor's dog shits in my yard just one more time...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:50 | 4204298 lakecity55
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I put up a window altar with Backdoor Barry's picture surrounded by low light LEDs and a small pair of plastic hands in a worshipful pose beneath the photo. I'm good.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:53 | 4204312 Ignatius
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Be flexible.  I'd keep a picture of the Pope, Mitt and Osama in reserve.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:54 | 4204317 lakecity55
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Had the same deal with a photo of Tricky Dick back in the day...never got hassled by The Man.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:56 | 4204323 Ignatius
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Great.  Add Che to the mix.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:59 | 4204335 lakecity55
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Nah, I'll put one up of Saint Hugo.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:52 | 4204308 Cognitive Dissonance
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My neighbor just bought a new Mercedes. Looks like he just promoted himself to my "naughty" list. /sarc

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:56 | 4204319 Ignatius
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Already thought of the 'envy factor' and so drive a fuel efficient Jetta (deep cover).

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:06 | 4204354 lolmao500
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Back in the Soviet times, a brother turned his other brother in cause he wanted his room... People will betray other people over nothing.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:57 | 4204520 FreedomGuy
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I have a slightly different take. Government routinely gets us to sell out our neighbors with more rules, regs, restrictions and taxes. YOU are okay but that other guy is a problem. You need government to take control of them and their profession. Of course they are telling the other guy the same thing about you. In the end we will all happily sell each other out to our protector, the government.

I am tired of government as a concept and the myth of the necessity of rulers.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 19:24 | 4204599 max2205
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Think you saw something....say something

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:37 | 4204257 Seasmoke
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I do Not trust a single fucking dual citizen !!!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:46 | 4204284 Winston Churchill
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How do you feel about tri-nationals ?

Just wondering.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:44 | 4204493 Bobbyrib
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I would say it depends on the person's background and what country they have their other citizenship with.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 03:14 | 4205813 Tall Tom
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Bobbyrib is someone who obviously does not understand the United States Dual Citizenship laws.

 

There is ONLY ONE Other Nation in the ENTIRE WORLD where the US Government allows US Citizens to have a citizenship with while being a Citizen of the United States..

 

Can you guess that Nation's name?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:43 | 4204269 JustObserving
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The 99% can trust the 1% to screw them everytime. You can trust your govt. to manipulate markets and spy on you without fail.  And you can trust your leaders to make your savings worthless while enriching the banksters.  You can trust that there will be a war when the economy deteriorates  You can trust the Fed to print forever.  You can trust that thngs will get much worse  Who says trust is missing in American life?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:41 | 4204273 Everyman
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African-Americans consistently have expressed far less faith in "most people" than the white majority does. Racism, discrimination and a high rate of poverty destroy trust.

 

Well African Americans" can just go fuck themselves.  A bunch of AA "teenagers" going around just hitting unsuspecting people in gangs of seven or mor on one.  And "THEY" have less trust".  FUck them with a chainsaw!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:06 | 4204358 lolmao500
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Well even blacks don't trust blacks... so this article is total bullshit trying to pin all this non-trust on white folks.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:13 | 4204377 Freddie
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That piece of shit O has set back race relations 100 years.  He has everyone hating everyone and that is by design.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:17 | 4204390 dick cheneys ghost
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Correctamundo!!

Racism started in 2009!!

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:46 | 4204285 capitallosses
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I don't trust the author's statistics.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:14 | 4204384 Freddie
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Polls, TV, Hollywood, the rest of the media and the rating agencies all LIE.   Polls are just another form of manipulation.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:47 | 4204291 lakecity55
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wow, 2/3s already work for the STASI?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:54 | 4204313 I am Jobe
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Working for Corp Amerika feels like when some one is going to stab you. Fells just like Rome. Good times

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:55 | 4204517 Umh
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How old are you? Or is it remembering the serial incarnations.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:53 | 4204315 tlnzz
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Trust doesn't come with a job title and can not be bestowed on anyone. Where I come from, trust and respect is earned. No other way. Their aren’t too many people out there trying to earn trust. The fraud permeates the Country from top to the very bottom. When those on top are not punished for their fraud, everyone else gets the message.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:45 | 4204492 Caveman93
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Bravo, well stated.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:54 | 4204318 spankfish
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Glad I am not the only one with a pre-paid ticket too hell.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 17:57 | 4204324 css1971
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The two thirds is about right. That's about the proportion of people who would happily electrocute you if given orders to do so by someone in authority.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:01 | 4204337 Smegley Wanxalot
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Why would anyone trust anyone? 

Serious question.  I see no reason to.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:01 | 4204338 lolmao500
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Fix this by communism! I mean, everybody was happy and friendly under communism right? Those who weren't were sent to the gulag.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:05 | 4204355 I am Jobe
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The Snitch Program, wet dream the DHS is coming true. 

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:05 | 4204356 strangeglove
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Snitchez Bitchez!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 03:27 | 4205823 Tall Tom
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Snitch this...

 

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fba_1384397678

 

It is not just restricted to airports AFTER the security checkpoint...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:14 | 4204381 ToNYC
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They must be living where people don't leave things better than they found it. No hope without playing kindness games.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:46 | 4204497 Bobbyrib
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Yeah, Americans tend to live in the United States..

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:27 | 4204422 logicalman
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The corrupt run the place, so more, for them is better.

They need corrupt people in society or what they are up to wouldn't work.

Corruption is the one place where trickle down works really well.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:29 | 4204430 PubliusTacitus
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Government practicing theft, which is endorsed by your neighbor, tends to reduce trust among the citizenry.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:31 | 4204431 Atomizer
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We’re getting closer to transformation programme intended to occur. The last effort to divide is at stake for them.. Many of us just sit back to watch, enjoy! Learn and educate history to others..

 

The question resurfaces, how will they pull it off? In order to kick off the new global governance, a deceptive event needs to be triggered.

IMHO, it will be a twofold shock value event.

  1. Catastrophic event – never recorded before
  2. Monetary system failure

The solution will be to hand over new powers to this well-known identity.  The financial currency hand over is going to plan. Healthcare is limping along. Merging into a one religion order is the wild card.

Christ: Maitreya's appearance in Nairobi, Kenya, 1988

Krugman calls for space aliens to fix U S economy

World Goodwill

http://www.lucistrust.org/goodwill/

These are all the same people selling you down the road of a utopian society.

Allow me to support the facts on World Goodwill link above..

Remarks by the President at the Millennium Development Goals Summit in New York, New York |September 22, 2010

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/09/22/remarks-president-millennium-development-goals-summit-new-york-new-york

 

Lastly, let’s roll back the hands of time. Here’s the last President of Libya speaking at UN before he was taken out.

Gaddafi blasts big powers at UN

Muammar Gaddafi, in his first address to the United Nations in 1999 after 40 years, accused major powers of betraying the principles of the UN charter, punctuating his umbrage by tossing papers from the podium.

 

Then the half white negro hits the UN podium. Shortly after, the Banks exterminate Gaddafi. No formal investigation is necessary, he just wasn’t a Bank of International  team player, If they cannot surpass the timeline goal.  Taking out the JFK nigger will be used to separate the masses by installing new means to control the masses.  The mere acts of desperation to retain control is even obvious to the shoe shine boy..

 

DHS/NSA.. Can you hear me now? Your fucking moles reside within your very own establishments. Just use our latest technology to observer heat patterns during debriefing. Begin cleaning the infiltrated house moles…. dickheads. BTW, remove all the directors, they’re the cesspool of your problem..

 

Breakdown the department security swiftly..

Espionage And Terrorism|1994

During your security indoctrination and throughout your NSA career you will

become increasingly aware of the espionage and terrorist threat to the United

States.  Your vigilance is the best single defense in protecting NSA

information, operations, facilities and people.  Any information that comes to

your attention that suggests to you the existence of, or potential for,

espionage or terrorism against the U.S. or its allies must be promptly reported

by you to the Office of Security.

http://theory.stanford.edu/~donald/NSA.doc.html

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:34 | 4204445 Atomizer
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Big chunks of info to understand in above post. The light bulb will not flicker, rest assured.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:35 | 4204448 Uber Vandal
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I had the silly notion that trust had to be earned, not just randomly given.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:39 | 4204463 pitz
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When thieves are in charge, people who have never done any real work in their lives, is it any wonder?

When mere paper pushers mostly earn more than engineers, why would anyone trust the monetary system that has facilitated this? 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:43 | 4204483 Caveman93
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Only 2/3's?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 18:57 | 4204522 Joshua Falken
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The rest of the world has known for long time

America exports corporate sociopathic leadership like Enron, Worldcom, AIG, Lehman, Madoff, JPM, Goldman, BoA and MF Global and we do not want to do business with you.

When I visit America I am treated like a pariah on arrival and feel like I am being shafted while I am there, so I don't go any more

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:07 | 4204535 honestann
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Talk about putting the cart before the horse!

No honest individual will trust people [in general] until most people become... wait for it... trustworthy!

Duh.

And people show zero signs of becoming more trustworthy, must less generally trustworthy.  So forget about it!  Which means, the only sane people remaining are hermits and loners.  I'm one of them in spades.

Yet I'd love to live in a world where trust was practical.  But that will have to wait until we move into outer space, where being untrustworthy causes death.

One fundamental fact, though many folks would have to think about this for a while to recognize why this is inherently true:  everyone who believes in "authority" of any kind is inherently not trustworthy.

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BTW, by what logic does the author convert "2/3 of americans don't trust americans" into "2/3 of americans cannot be trusted"?  Those two statements are utterly non-commensurate.  The real story is, "only 2/3 of americans realize that virtually nobody can be trusted any more", the other 1/3 being utterly incapable of processing or drawing conclusions from first-hand evidence.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:34 | 4205021 toady
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"everyone who believes in "authority" of any kind is inherently not trustworthy."

I like that. That may be what's really going on here. Trust & belief in the current systems, especially the US & the US petro dollar, is not trustworthy.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 19:21 | 4204588 Racer
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When the sheeple see the eLeeches getting away with criminality, they also turn to crime but unfortunately the sheeple get treated with zero tolerance, whereas the eLeeches get zero punishment

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 19:35 | 4204607 22winmag
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That's because 2/3 are communists or their useful idiots.

 

Criminals of various stripes can be reasoned with, bargained with, and even reformed. Communist ideologues cannot.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 19:59 | 4204704 insanelysane
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I understand the theoretical definition of communism but in actuality communists all want to take what other people have.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 19:27 | 4204614 rsnoble
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You know the old sayings...........it starts at the top and monkey see monkey do.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:07 | 4205156 akak
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That sounds almost like an AnAnonymousism --- you know, like "when the cat got your tongue is out of the bag, the shoe is on the other foot in mouth".

Make me laugh.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 20:19 | 4204760 icanhasbailout
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I don't trust AP...

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 20:20 | 4204764 itstippy
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Diogenes is still seeking.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 20:47 | 4204839 rgetty
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Thats because most of the USA isnt even Americans anymore, just a bunch of people from all over the world not caring about the country and taking what they can. And the US gov are lying crooked bastards that should all be thrown in jail.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 01:29 | 4205587 Lin S
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You beat me to it.

The US has been flooded with so much imported trash that US Citizens are a minority in their own home.  It isn't that Americans don't trust Americans; it's that you can't trust the bilge that our lying criminal/ruling class has dumped on us, AT ALL.

 

 

 

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:05 | 4204905 grunk
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I trust you, just leave me alone.

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 21:14 | 4204943 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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In God We Trust.

Who?

Sun, 12/01/2013 - 22:03 | 4205145 mkhs
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In God we trust,

everyone else pays cash!

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 06:47 | 4205978 Disenchanted
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I don't trust 2/3 of those around me...the other half just plain suck.

Mon, 12/02/2013 - 23:12 | 4208793 Trampy
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